For those wondering whose names will be on the Stanley Cup, to represent the 2011-12 champion Kings, here’s the list of 52…
PLAYERS (24)
Jonathan Bernier, Dustin Brown, Jeff Carter, Kyle Clifford, Drew Doughty, Davis Drewiske, Colin Fraser, Simon Gagne, Matt Greene, Dwight King, Anze Kopitar, Trevor Lewis, Alec Martinez, Willie Mitchell, Jordan Nolan, Dustin Penner, Jonathan Quick, Mike Richards, Brad Richardson, Rob Scuderi, Jarret Stoll, Slava Voynov, Kevin Westgarth and Justin Williams.
COACHES (5)
Darryl Sutter, John Stevens, Jamie Kompon, Bill Ranford and Ryan Colville (video).
HOCKEY OPERATIONS (6)
Dean Lombardi, Ron Hextall, Jeff Solomon, Jack Ferreira, Marshall Dickerson and Lee Callans.
SCOUTING STAFF (5)
Rob Laird, Mike Futa, Mark Yannetti, Mike O’Connell and Nelson Emerson.
TRAINING/EQUIPMENT STAFF (4)
Chris Kingsley, Darren Granger, Dana Bryson and Myles Hirayama.
OWNERSHIP AND FRONT-OFFICE STAFF (8)
Phil Anschutz, Nancy Anschutz, Tim Leiweke, Dan Beckerman, Ted Fikre, Luc Robitaille, Mike Altieri and Chris McGowan.
At first I did not think the numbers added up, then I realized the ownership list had 8 names.
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googoo Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
@Zeley, What about Bob Miller, not to mention the other announcers. Miller has been with this team longer than any of the named 52.
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Telos Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:38 pm
@googoo, I bet you Miller is O.K. with that
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googoo Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
your absolutely right, but I still don’t like it
Scott Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 9:45 am
@googoo, Bad play no Bob. Why did the video editing coach, get his name over the voice of the Kings?
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Karen Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
@Zeley, I agree where is Bob Miller’s name????? What the hell.
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UglyinLA Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
@Zeley,
I am not familiar with many of the names that will be engraved on Lord Stanley’s cup. So I looked up the names to see what exactly was their contribution to the team. Keep in mind as you read this list that Bob Miller’s name is not on the cup.
Phil Anschutz, Owner
Nancy Anschutz, mother to three children
Tim Leiweke, Governor
Dan Beckerman, Chief Financial Officer
Ted Fikre, Executive Vice President & General Counsel
Luc Robitaille, President, Business Operations, Alternate Governor
Mike Altieri, Vice President, Communications and Content
Chris McGowan. Chief Operating Officer, AEG Sports
Mike O’Connell, Pro Development and Special Assignments
Nelson Emerson, Player Development
Chris Kingsley, Head Athletic Trainer
Darren Granger, Head Equipment Manager
Dana Bryson, Assistant Equipment Manager
Myles Hirayama. Assistant Athletic Trainer
Jeff Solomon, Vice President/Hockey Operations and Legal Affairs
Jack Ferreira, Special Assistant to the General Manager
Marshall Dickerson, Director of Team Operations
Lee Callans, Scouting Operations Coordinator
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David R Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm
@Zeley, how about knocking off some of the “staff” to slow down the the speed at which the cup gets bigger and bigger, to further prolong the need for two cups. Im ok with some of the non-players being removed and adding JJ. Yes I know he was traded, but he was there for the buildup.
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Michael J. Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 9:31 am
@David R,
Seriously??? Adding a former player? If JJ is OK to be on the cup then why not Trent Hunter, Wayne Simmonds, and Derek Armstrong???
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Stuart Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 9:34 am
@Michael J., Don’t discount what Mikko Eloranta did for this organ-I-zation!
Weasel Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:00 am
@Michael J.,
Not saying I specifically endorse JJ – but JJ was with the team THAT season the others were not. So JJ did contributre to the cup winning season on the ice. So there is a clear difference there.
Stuart Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:02 am
@Weasel, are contributions like attention? Where even negative attention is still considered attention…
Michael J. Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:10 am
@Stuart,
What about Steve Bernier? He certainly contributed to the Kings’ winning the cup.
Stuart Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:18 am
@Michael J., now you’re cooking with gas! And if you ask a VANquished fan, they’d say D. Keith is deserving as well, since he single-elbowedly allowed us to skip our way the Cup!
David R Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
@Michael J., Seriously, NO, im just saying if they are going to have all those other people. In my opinion JJ contributed a lot to the making of this team the past few seasons. Im just saying, if I could trade some “staff” and get JJ on the cup I would. If you compare what JJ did with simmonds, hunter, and armstrong OVER THE past few years, that is why not.
I thought they wanted TM on there
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variable Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose,
me too…
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KingMe20 Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
@variable,
Anschutz said Murray would get a ring, but not this.
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Jay_805 Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:17 pm
@KingMe20, TM will get a ring though..
Crown Royal Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:35 pm
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose,
When his team wins the Stanley Cup he will get his name engraved there. He’s been an NHL head coach for fifteen seasons with four different teams, has never won a Stanley Cup and never will!!
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Kings87 Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
@Crown Royal, I’m not sure that you can say he never will. His numbers signify that he is one of the best coaches in the NHL. Look it up. His win to loss ratio is great. Are you the type of fan that complained this season but not last or the season before? How long have you watched the Kings play?
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Telos Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose, They are buying TM a ring, but his name doesn’t go on the cup.
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Man, my name didn”t make it, but I didn’t see TM’s either.
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variable Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
@DesertKing,
-1 for the kings….however they had no obligation….
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Crown Royal Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
@variable,
Do you think they should have put Jack Johnson’s name on the cup too?
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
@Crown Royal, Yes, lets put 2013 Kings 1st round pick as well. Redistribution of minutes to the more solid D-men on the Kings is part of what turned things around for the Kings. Voynov also proved to be a better positional Dman then JJ who was a bit to reckless at time often getting caught out of position. The other JJ beef is he never commited fully to taking away the pass on 2 on 1 situations leaving Quick vulnerable.
Crown Royal Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:57 pm
@luc20rules,
I respect JJ has talent and a genuine desire to win. It’s too bad the organization wasn’t in a position, when he came board, to send him to the minors for a couple of years to learn how to play his position. He might have been an outstanding player. Part of why the Kings won the Cup was moving him-and his mistakes out and bringing in another scorer up front (Carter) along with Voynov doing a better job on D.
luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:08 pm
@Crown Royal, I still think JJ is a tremendious physical talent, but at this point I wonder how coachable he is. We brought in Scuds, Mitchell, Greene, and had O’Donnell which should have created steady improvement, but it just never happened for JJ. I liked JJ as a person and hope one day the light bulb comes on and he plays to his all star potential. Seeing how DD, Voynov, Martinez, & Drewiske have improved very quickly in the same circumstances makes me wonder if JJ was just a bad fit, or resistant to the coaching/mentoring the Kings provided.
RobSD Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@Crown Royal,
We won the cup because we traded JJ. He was a detriment to this team. Great guy, hard working but horrible NHL defenseman. I would take SV over Johnson everyday of the week and twice on playoff days. Kid is a stud and is going to be a top defenseman in the league. He reminds me of Lubo a little.
Isn’t Ed Roski also an owner of the Kings? Snub of a part owner, interesting . . .
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LB Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:34 pm
@Jeff, I was also wondering with all this sale of AEG news, whether Roski was still a part owner? I guess he no longer is since his name isn’t going on the Cup.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 am
@LB, Yes he his.
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RobSD Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Jeff,
Is it bad it completely annoys me that the woman who banged the owner gets on the cup? That’s just like Kobi’s wife geting 70 million and never having made a lay up.
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No Loktionov, eh? Too bad for Moreau, Hunter.
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Eric K Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
@He Shoots He Scores, Yep. The five guys who played games but didn’t get on the Cup: Loktionov, Parse, JJ, Moreau, Hunter.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
@Eric K, Four are gone, and Loki has gone to Europe against the will of DL. I think he would be on there over Drewiske, or a management/staff/owner. I am happy Drewiske is there he has always been big when called upon. As for Loki use judgement there are repercussions for ones actions. I do wonder if this will cause Loki to stay in Europe or the KHL and his days as a King are over? The most interesting snub is not TM, but Jamie Kompon that was on the Coaching Staff the entire season. Sure he was fired, but he was with the team the entire way plus several years of the building process. Please don’t misunderstand I do agree with his dismissal, but by tenure he should be on the cup.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:34 pm
@luc20rules, Sorry may bad just scanned over the names Kompon was there.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:21 am
@luc20rules, Do you really believe Lokti was left off because he’s in Russia?
Osaka Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@Paul,
Do you REALLY believe he wasn’t?
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Yes. I would be absolutely shocked if a pro sports franchise chose to exclude an equally deserving player from the Cup because he technically violated his contract.
Here’s a hypothetical for you that should help correct your thinking. Let’s say it was possible that Quick could be assigned to the AHL yet he chose to go play in the KHL. Do you believe the Kings would leave his name off the Cup? Of course not.
Also, I have to go back and check, but I’m almost certain the names were submitted long before Lokti was even assigned to the AHL, which would completely disprove this silly idea.
Kings87 Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
@luc20rules, With the lockout situation, is he actually violating his contract? Or is it that DL simply wanted him close by in Manchester, even though we all know he would make way more money in Russia? If I’m Loktionov, I’m going to Russia. He’ll get more money, he just got snubbed on the cup, and lets face it, if he doesn’t ever crack the Kings line up (a very real possibility) he’s building up a reputation in a country that will pay him more than anyone in the NHL will.
luc20rules Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@Eric K, Eric, If you log in and check the articles Rich put out today you will see that Loki is under contract and since he was assigned to Manchester by NHL rules is not allowed to sign with in the KHL or any other International League. He also speculated that Loki hasn’t signed with the KHL and the original story in a Russian Paper may have been false, and he hasn’t been in Russia since Sept 15th. It would be a violation of the IIHF rules and the NHL rules for Loki to play abroad. Rich had also mentioned in a previous article the Kings could contest Loki’s ability to play abroad after being assigned to Manchester.
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Telos Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
@He Shoots He Scores, Lokti did not play the minimum number of games, nor did he play a game during the finals. He doesn’t qualify.
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kingsfaninhalifax (previously in sb) Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:50 pm
@Telos, neither did DD2
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Telos Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
@kingsfaninhalifax (previously in sb), Drewiske and Westgarth are obviously different. They are established NHL players, who were with the team the entire season, and due to their role were not utilized often or really necessary for the postseason. Leaving them off would be like leaving off the backup goaltender.
Dan H. Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
@kingsfaninhalifax (previously in sb),
Lokti should have been on there over DD2 and Westgarth. Bob Miller should have been on there over the owners WIFE? I don’t care if she’s a fan or not, that’s some brass balls on that one.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
@Telos, You contradicted yourself.
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Loktionov should be on there I think!
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StupidDucksGoKings Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:29 pm
@Sportsgirl, He played a factor, he should be.
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Beast88 Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:58 pm
@Sportsgirl, He fell two games short of being on there automatically. He was at least as involved as Westgarth and Drewiske this year, but did spend time in Manchester. Still, pretty unfair he’s not on there if those guys are…no wonder he went to the KHL. I feel bad for the guy.
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YooperSkip 24 Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:12 pm
@Beast88,
I recall some mention that any player who played during the playoffs would be eligible to be on the Cup. Lokti played in 2 games against VAN. I guess that was wrong info.
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Bogey Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:35 pm
@YooperSkip 24, It’s any player who plays at least one game in the finals.
Finesse Hockey Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:38 pm
@Sportsgirl,
He can’t be…. His name sounds too much like LOCKOUT.
imagine that……
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B-Rad Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
@Sportsgirl,
If I’m writing you know there’s something major that bothers me.
Loktionov 39 regular season games and 2 playoff games.
Westgrath 25 regular season games and 0 playoff games.
And Westgrath gets on the cup over Loktionov. THAT’S BS!!
If I was Loktionov I would leave the Kings too. Favoritism strikes again.
I’m a huge Kings fan, but things like this give the cup a win a foul taste in my mouth.
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Stuart Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 8:09 am
@B-Rad, I think it has more to do with Westy’s spirit and energy in the room… I believe that Westy is more involved with the team than meets the eye…
I’m happy with the list, but I’m surprised that Denver’s name isn’t on the cup, seeing how there was 2 human-interest stories about him last season and how he was kind of high profile with the stache and all… oh well, maybe when he’s the head equip guy…
Otherwise, it’s a travesty that the wife is on there but not Bob Miller. Sure, someone might say well then all four would need to be on there (Nick/Daryl/Jim) and as well as that case may be made, Bob deserved to be on that cup! He is the Kings.
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RobSD Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
@Stuart,
Announcers never get on there… do they? There is no precedent. I would be mad if I was Loki. Westgarth and DD2 were on the permanent roster. They don’t bounce back and forth. Totally unfair in my opinion. I wonder if that is why he left.
It’s unfortunate they couldn’t add four more: Bob Miller, Jim Fox, Nick Nickson, and Daryl Evans. They could add it to a separate category named “YOUR FAITHFUL NARRATORS” or something along those lines.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:17 pm
@Hermano Spreewell,
That makes too much sense
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Buster Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 10:23 am
@Hermano Spreewell,
If it was me, I’d try to sneak them under the category of SCOUT.
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Was kinda hoping for Bernie Nicholls but I guess he wasn’t “officially” on the coaching staff.
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Foggy Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:29 am
@Kopi Bryant, Yeah, I was disappointed to see that Bernie wasn’t on the list as well. I guess that he was brought on board a bit late in the season and is only a “consultant” for the power play, but still, it would have been great to see his name on the cup…
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dude…so…lokti was the ONLY player from the current roster left out? that’s effed dude.
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StupidDucksGoKings Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
@ohheyitskristine, It is, hey NHL you forgot Lokti!!!
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Jay Wad Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
@StupidDucksGoKings, it’s not the NHL that left him off………………
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StupidDucksGoKings Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 8:09 pm
@Jay Wad, somebody told me already, OK I get it, 52 is the exact number of whomever that can get their names engraved on the cup.
Bob and Jim, Nick and Daryl… Not surprised, and it’s understandable, but it would have been nice.
The guys I would have pressed for are Mark Bavis and Ace Bailey.
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pg1067 Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
@KingMe20, Seriously? Two guys who have been dead over a decade and had nothing to do with this team?
Note to YooperSkp…the auto qualification rule is 41 regular season games or at least one game in the SCF (not the playoffs). You also need to be with the team at the end of the season (hence, JMFJ isn’t eligible). I would like to know if the team petitioned to get Loktionov on and the NHL said no or if the team simply didn’t petition. I would also imagine this list was finalized long before Loktionov signed to play in the KHL, so I doubt that was a factor.
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Exospeed Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:40 pm
@KingMe20, I was thinking the same thing when i finished reading the list.
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52 names is the maximum.
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Lokti should get his named engraved!
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Glad Westgarth made the cut!
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tm deseres credit…
regardless of his results this year, he coached the majority of the team’s games…albeit, many….like myself….feel things hot only got better (howard jones) with sutter…
maybe the kings are all superstitious poker players who wanted 52 cards in this deck…
but regardless if whether or not tm finished the year, he was greatly responsible for the systems we play now under sutter – and that’s what made us stanley cup champions…
but, just as it was honoring ace and mark, why stop there…?
i’m not a tm apologist….and who knows if the kings asked him and he refuse…or whatever…
but i would like to think tm did more good than bad….and perhaps the kings should have realized that before the master engraver made his art, tm should have been a welcomed added to the accomplishment, when dl said himself that tim is the right man for the job, he can’t know run behind the shield of oliver north….
anyway….
just a proletarian tying to make sense of it…
unless there’s a nhl law that stipulates otherwise, murray should have been on the cup…(!)
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Crown Royal Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
@variable,
I hope you’re joking…
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Exospeed Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:50 pm
@variable, I give TM alot of credit for making the Kings a strong defensive team. I still remember the days pre-TM where when the other team got a power play, you might as well put 1 on the score board for them because it was almost garenteed they would score… (labarbra days)
He did turn the Kings into a strong defensive team but I feel he lacked the knowledge to transition to a scoring team with a strong defense. Bringing DS in was obviously what they needed to make that transistion and we all saw the end result.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
@variable,
Well the ‘nhl law’ as you put it is clear, yet Whiskey and Westy will be on the Cup. In other words, there is no law or rules that are ironclad. That much is clear. As for TM, my criteria (which is based on the NHL’s supposed criteria) would not allow for TM to be on it. It has to be (or should be IMO) only people who were with the team during the playoffs. No TM, no JJ, no people who have passed on (sad as it is), no old trainers or GM’s, only those who were part of the team during the run. I would have no problem with including regular scratches either.
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jess Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
@variable,
Nope.
TM was with us since 08, never got the boys past the first round.
The system we play today is totally different. Strong forecheck, no musical chairs, D pinches in on the attack and on and on..
It took the incredible talent of Quick, Scuds and Mitchell to make TM’s defective system look sort of ok for a stint. But the defect was the system, and not the players.
Speaking for myself, all I ever wanted was a chance at a cup. We got one this year for many reasons, but the main two were: 1.) TM was fired. 2.) Darryl Sutter was hired.
Giving TM a ring was an incredible act of charity and pity. But I think a donation to a children’s cancer foundation would have made more of a difference.
Just one man’s opinion.
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puck73 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
@jess, The voice of reason has spoken.
Thank You.
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Crown Royal Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
@puck73,
It goes without saying I totally agree!
variable Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
@jess,
cool…
i respect yrs, PUCK’s and PAUL’s opinions on this….
honestly, it’s not that big of an issue for me…
…and the counterpoints everybody has made maybe has swayed me a lil’ more towards all the respective arguments for him not to be on it….
as far as the system….
it’s a more aggressive hybrid of what tm did – ds got much better results because he was the right voice at the right time for these guys – and he turned out to be more than what i expected…
the major difference is how ds activated his d-men more than tm…and ds gives the f3 forward more help up the middle…other than those major tweaks, everything else was minor…
the players have said this…
darryl sutter has said this…
jim fox has said this…
bob miller has said this…
so, i believe i have others that agree with me to a point…
it’s all good…
we are the champions – lockout or no lockout…(!!!)
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Crown Royal Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
@variable,
I don’t think it’s quite so simple. Willie Mitchell came out publicly and said the Kings were better prepared under DS. Kopi said the Kings were more accountable under DS. I hate to beat a dead horse but TM is the most overrated coach in Kings history.
jess Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
@variable,
I guess it’s some kind of hybrid. We’re still hard to score on, but a lot of that credit goes to DL for finding the right guys and Hextall’s influence in goaltending.
With TM’s system, which didn’t seem to evolve for the better, was the radical imbalance between keeping pucks out of our net, vs. putting pucks in theirs. If I was to asign a metaphor to TM’s system, It would be something likened to a solar panel which sucked more power out of appliances than it gave them. We were on track to completely miss the playoffs this year. It was a miracle that we even got in. Had TM remained, there would be no cup let alone a first round in the pacific division. That I can say with certainty.
But to be sure, I always enjoy your POV.
Very well stated, with class, -as usual my friend.
jess Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
@variable,
*meant to say *Ranford
luc20rules Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
@jess, IMHO you forgot the #3 Carter trade that sparked the offensive balance. Also stablized the D with JJ’s riverboat gambler style exiting. Voynov not a physically strong, but much better positionally. I hope JJ gets going as I really like and respect him as a person, but his hockey IQ & fundimentals need work. Its also possible he is just not a good fit for a defensive system.
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jess Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
@luc20rules,
Yes I agree with you regarding that. But I purposely listed the top two reasons to make my point succinct. Had those trades been made with TM still in place, while they might have had “some effect”, the team still would have been playing under his system, thus most likely resulting in another squandered playoff run. -Providing of course, the kings even making it to the first round which I seriously doubt we would’ve. It took incredible inspiration, motivation and a new perspective to acheive the slot of 8th seed, which in of itself, was a miracle.
KC23 Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
@jess, I agree with you. TM should absolutely not be on the cup. The team got instantly MUCH better when he left and the team stats make it pretty obvious.
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puck73 Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
@KC23, welcome back, your views have been missed.
Kings87 Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
@KC23, Looks like everyone is forgetting the season that we lost Kopi….
Here’s your thinking, “Hey TM great job winning 100 games faster than any other coach in team history, but you suck. The wins had nothing to do with you.”
I guess the players and coaches, and everyone else that has talked highly of what TM did is just wrong. Not like they worked with him or anything.
I do agree that DS is what we needed, but way to remain objective guys.
jess Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
@Kings87,
1.) TM didn’t even know how to use Kopi except for defense.
2.) What good is winning 100 games if you never get past the first round?
3.) King’s are a classey organization, and will not talk bad about past coaches (as they shouldn’t).
Kings87 Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
@KC23, The point is that he did have a lot to do with the team becoming what they are. Also, don’t forget that Kopi is very important as a two way player. We might have a totally different player that makes cringe worthy mistakes in his own end if not for TM.
Oh man, but Denver Wilson didn’t. Seriously bummed for him.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
@KingsFan on EastCoastTime, As hard as Equiptment Managers work. Thats a tough sell especially on the 1st cup for an organization. I am sure there was a stronger push to put Loki, Bob Miller, Pete Demers, Ace Bailey, or Mark Bavis. This is just very hard decisions to make at 52.
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pg1067 Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:38 pm
@luc20rules, Sorry folks. People who are long dead or who are otherwise no longer with the organization don’t get on the Cup.
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KingsFan on EastCoastTime Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 am
@luc20rules,
Totally agree the decisions are hard. It just really stinks for those who contributed and didn’t make the cut…
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Hey Rich..
Thanks for this list of names! Very cool.
Were all 52 of these people on the ice during the parade/rally team picture?
Thanks Rich
rB
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Excellent, our Kings on the last ever Stanley Cup!
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Only 52 players can be included on the Stanley Cup. That explains the exclusion of Loktionov.
As for Terry Murray: he did good things for the Kings, but he was no longer with the team. Just like Johnson. So he doesn’t get his name on the Stanley Cup. Those guys can’t even be appealed for because they are no longer with the team at the time of the Finals. That’s also why Bernie Nicholls isn’t included.
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StupidDucksGoKings Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:40 pm
@Kevin Y, I see, thanks for the notice.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:43 pm
@Kevin Y, So why is Jamie Kompon there? We fired him as well.
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Crown Royal Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
@luc20rules,
Kompon was fired after the season was over.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
@Kevin Y, Bernie Nicholls was there at the Finals? He is in the celibration photos. I suppose he was never hired as a coach just as a consultant.
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Crown Royal Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
@luc20rules,
I believe that is correct. DS brought him in to help with the PP but he was never actually a coach.
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Buster Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 10:27 am
@Crown Royal,
You know, that same statement COULD apply to Kompon as well.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:27 am
@Kevin Y, 52 names explains nothing. The owner’s WIFE is on the Cup. What part of that makes any sense?
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Crown Royal Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
I see to recall Peter Pocklington actually got his brother’s name on the Cup one year in Edmonton but the Cup was recalled by the NHL and the name was removed.
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KC23 Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 9:25 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), “… The owner’s WIFE is on the Cup. What part of that makes any sense?” the part that says the boss can put anyone he dam well pleases to on the cup.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:08 am
@KC23, He isn’t the boss of the NHL!
The NHL approves (and has removed) names in the past.
Purple and Gold Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 11:05 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), according to community property laws she would own 50% of what her husband owns so she is actually a owner of AEG and the kings as well.
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I didn’t see Rich”s name on there either. He should be included just for having to review all of questionable posts. Plus, he was at and worked every game!
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:44 pm
@DesertKing, Lets not forget that Rich compiles all the rational posts to DL’s suggestion box. LOL
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DesertKing Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:04 pm
@luc20rules,
So that would have been a grand total of 2the this year?
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:28 pm
@DesertKing, Yes, but how many did he have to sift thru for those 2 gems?
IceGuy Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
@DesertKing,
Let’s resolve the problem of “only” 52 names on the Cup in our own way.
Let’s create our own cup.
Something nice and silvery.
Engrave the following on it:
2011-2012 Los Angeles Kings Stanley Cup Champions
Bob Miller
Jim Fox
Nick Nickson
Daryl Evans
Rich Hammond.
We’ll call it “The Five, Too”.
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Very glad both Westgarth and Drewiske were included. They have been important parts of the team for several years. I don’t get putting the names of the financial guy (Beckerman) and someone not even on the website list (Fikre) instead of the names Loktionov (2 games shy of the required number) and Ryan van Asten the stength and conditioning coach who kept the team healthy to win the cup.
Maybe this snub is a reason why Lotionov went to the KHL. Of course the sizable difference in paychecks might have something to do with it or bad advice from his agent?
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:53 pm
@justmyopinion, I think it was Loki’s going to the KHL that caused the Kings to swap out his name.
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justmyopinion Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 11:31 pm
@luc20rules, I believe the names had to be submitted for approval a while ago. Loktionov just signed with the KHL this week.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
@luc20rules, Absolutely absurd my friend. Just plain wrong.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 5:54 pm
@justmyopinion, Chicken vs Egg, I guess we will never know?
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Alteri and McGowen really!!??
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Cruiznblue Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
@Lydia,
I dont even know who they are…
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justmyopinion Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
@Lydia, Altieri and Mc Gowen work their butts off. I know Altieri travels with the team to handle all the media interaction with the team but I’m not sure if McGowen does.
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Where’s TM on that list? Hahahahaha
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:30 pm
@CB14, Careful you may injure yourself laughing so maniacally.
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KC23 Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 am
@CB14, puck73 got a hold of the list before it went out to the NHL.
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Really? Nobody is going to mention Nancy Anschutz?
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LBlocal Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:44 pm
NO SHINOLA!!! Now, I don’t mean to inflame the religious fans, but Jesus Christos… Nancy Anschutz?!?!?! [speechless]
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
@Jesse Cohen, Actually Nancy is the hockey fan of the couple. If she wasn’t Phil may have never even bought the Kings?
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Jesse Cohen Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 9:32 am
@luc20rules, Do we know that? I don’t mean to beat a pointless horse but… they’ve owned the team for almost 20 years and that’s the first I’m hearing of it. Ultimately I don’t really care I just think it’s worth asking about if you’re going to have a conversation about who should be on the Cup and who shouldn’t.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
@Jesse Cohen, Anschultz bought the team in Oct. 1995. It was just a statement that was made during the finals NBC coverage of the game when they showed the couple. Even so the way Anschultz runs the team by proxy living 1000 miles away and only gets called to approve trades that will increase the salary total. Really does he deserve to be on the cup more or less then the wife. I could see just placing two from Bernie Nichols, Bob Miller, or Andre Locktionov there over either of them.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
@Jesse Cohen, It’s shameful. Lokti left off when he contributed more than many names on the Cup. Ridiculous. Flat out ridiculous.
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SLIM Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:10 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Totally Agree!!
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Like the article on Broduer.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/19376/brodeur
I suppose it hits home with me since the last strike perhaps stole Luc’s 2nd to last year that he perhaps have retired after had the NHL played that year(2004-05).
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
@luc20rules, strike should be LOCKOUT.
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What…….no Heidi?
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DesertKing Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
@Jeff
Awwww, heidi…….,
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Cruiznblue Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
@Jeff,
oh how I miss Heidi…
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:32 am
@Jeff, Heidi is the only person more beautiful than the Cup, hence her exclusion.
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I wonder if there is a tradition of only putting names that were with the organization that full season or atleast at the end. It seems to me that some of the names that we would have hoped for are Mark Bavis, Ace Bailey, Dave Taylor, TM, and the Broadcasters. IMHO Loki was there until he signed with the KHL while assigned to Manchester. I really would have liked Dave Taylor to have been on the Cup. His entire career as a player he was a King, and he drafted the said core that one the cup Brown, Kopi, & Quick. So I will just give Career King & GM that got the ball rolling Dave Taylor a shoutout! Thank You!
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luc20rules Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:29 pm
@luc20rules, too emotional when posting. “won” not one the cup LOL
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:33 am
@luc20rules,
“IMHO Loki was there until he signed with the KHL while assigned to Manchester.”
Let’s make something clear. This isn’t an opinion. It’s a guess. There is a right and wrong answer and you are wrong.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Take it easy buddy. An opinion is simply a guess or decision based on incomplete facts known otherwise it would be a fact or conclussion. I also posted that when someone posted Loki left to the KHL, because he was pissed for being left of the cup. I replied chicken & egg arguement we will probably never know. The truth could be neither, Loki may have not know he was on or off at the time he made his decision to sign with the KHL. I also doubt the Kings couldn’t make changes up until the day before the engraver hammers the blank striking the cup. Let me make this clear I don’t know any of these as facts, but it just makes common sense and is therefore my guess/opinion.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 8:25 am
@luc20rules, All in fun luc! Just spicing things up. Not angry in the least
Oh and an opinion is not a guess.
24 out of 52 of the names are players, which is 46%. Pretty consistent with the owners’ demands.
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Rich Hammond Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 7:52 pm
This isn’t to defend any names that were/weren’t on the Kings’ list — they can only have 52, and those wouldn’t have been my 52 but it’s not my list — but go take a glance at the Boston Bruins’ list from last year. There are five members of the Jacobs family listed and only two of them are even with the team in any capacity. I’m not certain as to what the usual player/staff/ownership breakdown is. I think Ryan van Asten, Chris Pikosky and Denver Wilson should be on there, as traveling members of the support team.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
@Rich Hammond,
Since you revealed 3 who were excluded, I humbly request your full list. Bob? Jim? Lokti? TM? You? puck73?
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puck73 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Thats very nice of you, but trust me, Rich is not a big fan of mine. He tolerates me because I have put together some things for the insiders.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
My built-in sarcasm didn’t shine through I guess.
Message clear to Loktionov and TM: “You smell – don’t come back!”
unneededly HARSH
Must be some really bad blood there for Lokti. Sux for him – I really do hope he finds better friends/support/money/fame abroad. Hard to find real people in LA. Maybe even harder in Russia??
As for TM – if Kompon gets his name on the cup – TM should too. They both sucked in different ways and arguably TM brought more to the Kings game.
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CL Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
@MmmmYummy, Kompon was a coach when they won the Cup. TM had been fired months before. I don’t see what the confusion can possibly be there…
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MmmmYummy Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
@CL, They both sucked (in different ways) – that’s the comparison. That was made clear in my comment. And Nicholls is not listed and he was ‘something’ when they won the cup.
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CL Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
@MmmmYummy, Clear, sure. But completely nonsensical. ‘something’ (consultant?) ≠ coach.
puck73 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
@MmmmYummy, Geesh, I thought I was hard on TM, but you flat out kicked him right in the chops! Good for you dude, keep up the good work!
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I would rather have Lokti on there than DD2 or Westy…but that’s just me. Tough break for Lokti…he seems like a good kid with a good attitude. To be 2 games short sucks bigtime!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
@Max8, I won’t go so far as to say ‘rather’ but I will say ‘deserve’ by a long shot. As a member of the Kings who participated in play (including the playoffs) Lokti was far and away a greater contributor. Very disappointing. Either put all 3 on it or none of them.
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NHL & NHLPA haven’t had formal talks for 10 days now. Must NOT TYPE ANYTHING TO PUT ME IN LOCKOUT/CORNFIELD. must log out now.
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ArkRazor Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
@luc20rules, lol. It was a good thing, a good thing, to have the lockout! I’ll be there when they get it settled- as long as they don’t use scabs in the interim.
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What does Fikre do for the Kings? Didn’t see him on the directory. Would’ve been nice to put Bailey and Bavis on it, but two names would be left off then.
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echoing some other observations– 46% of the LAK names on the Cup are guys that laced ‘em up, took and delivered blows, shed blood, ultimately sold those tickets and HRR miscellany. 54% are suits. don’t we all feel a little ridiculous for thinking it could have gone down otherwise. ownership obvious makes all such calls (it may be a bitter pill, but take note NHLPA).
it’s both completely understandable and completely wrong that Dave Taylor’s name is missing. yes, Dean Lombardi did all the right tweaking for this squad, but Taylor drafted Brown, Kopitar, and Quick, and those three are the beating heart and soul of why those other 49 names have made it onto the Stanley Cup.
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puck73 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
@wes, Dave Taylor is responsible for Kopitar and Brown, but lets be honest here, no way Taylor thought that 3rd round pick Jonathon Quick was going to turn out to be the 2nd coming of Dominick Hasek.
Tha fact is, Dean Lombardi is responsible for the rest of that team which at least 90 percent of it. The people that Lombardi put in place down in Manchester are the ones that got the best out of Quick, no question.
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wes Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
@puck73, ‘but lets be honest here’
you’re arguing that a dark horse 72nd pick of Taylor’s is somehow less significant because a relatively low pick turned out to be a full-on dominator? curious argument. sounds more like an AWESOME pick to me. ‘The fact is’ i’ve denied Lombardi none of his due, and having read your reply several times, i haven’t found a cogent reason for it.
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What about Rob Bordson!?? Why is no one else ENRAGED about this!??
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pg1067 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:51 am
@TeamJMFJ, Why? Because we’ve never heard of him maybe.
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The Batman Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
@pg1067, of course we’ve heard of him, he was THE most important piece required to bring Mike Richards to LA
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TeamJMFJ Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
@pg1067, sarcasm my friend ….sarcasm….as @The Batman said….he was the most important part of the Richards trade;)
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There are some good names mentioned in the above posts that definitely deserve as much credit as some of the people who get their name on the stanley cup…
…but what about fromer trainer Pete Demers!?! That guy was part of the club from 1969 to 2006!
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pg1067 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:53 am
@Cruiznblue, Lots of guys WERE part of the team in the past. 2006 was six years ago. The team won the Cup in 2012.
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Cruiznblue Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@pg1067,
Got that part…just a guy that was with the team a lot longer than a lot of those guys you’re referring to. And he was there celebrating with them in the locker room…not quite just “another” guy from a few years ago…
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seriously??? what a joke!!! nancy anschutz??? really??? no lokti? seems like he played in more playoff games and regular season games than she did. that is horrible.
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pg1067 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 am
@11 or 3, Nancy’s got a better slapshot than Lokti.
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I’m not sure I’d agree with ALL of the names but I think a lot of the comments above are forgetting what SHOULD have (and for the most part probably did) go in to this decision: did the Kings win the cup BECAUSE of what this player, coach, or person involved with operations did? And I’m sorry but as much as I’d like them there for nostalgic reasons the answer to that for an Ace Bailey or a Bob Miller is a resounding NO. And Loktionov may be a good guy and all but he had little to do with the cup win at all (nor do I think it’s “payback” for signing with the KHL. Come on now — get Real.) I’d probably have gotten more players on there but I think it’s a reasonably fair and well thought out list.
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11 or 3 Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
@HockeyNerd, surely lokti makes the top forty or fifty right nerd???
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 21st, 2012 at 11:32 pm
@11 or 3, It’s not our decision, and I guess in their minds he didn’t. If it were up to me he would have….but you do have to remember this is about the ENTIRE ORGANIZATION and we did win the cup because of the business decisions of some white collar guys too.
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pg1067 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:56 am
@HockeyNerd, It seems to me that Lokti had at least as much to do with it as DD and Westy. He had more regular season games played than those two combined and also played in 2 playoff games. Would be nice to know the club’s rationale.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
@pg1067, Not just ‘seems’ but he factually had MORE to do with winning the Cup than either Whiskey or Westy. All 3 or none of them.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
@HockeyNerd, 2 days after writing this I wonder what I was smoking when I wrote that last sentence. No Loktionov, no Nicholls, but you’ve got the owners wife on there and somebody we’re all hearing of for the first time who apparently isn’t even in the Kings organization that provides legal advice. If the latter 2 did something spectacular without which we wouldn’t have a cup, I’d sure like to know what it was.
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Crown city simtom Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 7:31 am
@HockeyNerd, Maybe helped with the Doughty incident. Nancy is an owner. I have no problems with her name being on the cup.
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sorry lokti, these guys were more deserving… Ryan Colville, Jeff Solomon, Jack Ferreira, Marshall Dickerson, Lee Callans, Rob Laird, Mike Futa, Mark Yannetti, Mike O’Connell, Chris Kingsley, Darren Granger, Dana Bryson and Myles Hirayama, Dan Beckerman, Ted Fikre, Mike Altieri and Chris McGowan??? (no offense to these people, but come on)
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Gustavo Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:19 am
@11 or 3,
Jack Ferreira convinced DL to bring up Nolan & King. Even if it took him banging on DL’s desk and a visit to Manchester by DS
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rick Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@11 or 3, Agreed. I am not a Lokti fan at all, but this is ridiculous. Anschutz’ wife gets on there, but not someone who actually laced them up and played??? Whoever made that call – shame on you!
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We are just fans and have no say in names on
the cup we are locked out again so makes no
sense in argue but ok to talk about it for sure
Since Frozen Fury is cancel does anyone who
still going to Vegas like to meet up either Friday
or Saturday do something ?
Does hotel MGM having DVD we can watch game
six of June 11 2012
Should I bring my copy?
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Stacy Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@Gailweb, I like the way you think!
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Gailweb Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
@Stacy, Thanks
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Lokti was assigned to the AHL. Lokti is playing in the KHL. Lokti does not have his name on the cup.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Osaka, Lokti was left off the Cup and said ‘screw the Kings and the AHL’ and went to Russia. Same logic with ZERO evidence.
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Osaka Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), No evidence? The omission is the evidence Sherlock. The proof is in the Whiskey, just look West.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Osaka, Did you not read what I wrote? Your ‘evidence’ is the same as mine, which is none at all.
Osaka Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 am
@Paul, Disagree, very compelling.
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
@Osaka, I agree with Paul. You’ve proven nothing except that you can draw your own conclusions. When were the names given to the league? Which players were petitioned and when did it have to be done by? When did Loktionov make HIS decisions? Do you have the answers to these questions or are you just assuming everything happened at a certain time and in a certain order because it supports your theory?
C’mon now people. This is not a childish game between a player and an organization. Drewiske and Westgarth were specifically petitioned for because they were on the roster all year. Loktionov wasn’t. It’s not what I would have done but it’s not a case of “payback” on EITHER side. Get real.
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For those of you who argue against Nancy Anschutz being included, but think Phil should be there, do you really think “HE” is the sole owner? She’s as much a part of the ownership as he is, and quite frankly, is the one that’s been a fan of the team since the beginning. Do you think she has no influence on business decisions?
How many of you are married/significant other? Don’t you share decision making on major investments that could impact your family’s finances? Same diff, just a heck of a lot more zeroes.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
@Forum to Staples Fan,
Same difference? LOL. Not even close. Just because she’s his wife and entitled to half has ZERO to do with business decisions. To answer your question, very few CEO’s of major corporations make decisions after consulting their wives. Do you really believe this? And even if she was the ONLY reason Phil decided to buy the Kings, then put her name on it and leave his off. Or better yet, just put “The Anschutz’s” and leave it at that.
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11 or 3 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), the anschutz’s have a cousin that was especially loud at the two playoff games he went to and apparently is feeling a bit bitter that he wasn’t put on as well.
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rick Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@Forum to Staples Fan, Seriously? I guess Michelle Obama deserves my vote then.
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“Marrrty!!Marrrty!!Marrrty!! Yep, reminiscing about real hockey, played on real ice, in a real arena, Game 3 of the SCF, the boys working Brodeur like a treadmill at a fat farm, the fans completely in the game, everyone realizing that the Kings were going to go up 3-0 in the Finals, that the Cup was within our grasp, that this would be the first home ice Stanley Cup Finals victory ever for the Kings, that history was happening. Man, just beautiful!!
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What about Bailey? Certainly dumping popcorn on opposing fans or all of his other team – spirited efforts should be worth a spot!
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During games 3 & 4, all they talked about was Kovalsuck not being 100%. Did anyone hear if he was actually injured and if so what the injury was? Personally, it just looked like the Kings took him out of the game and he just sucked.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
@DesertKing, I read multiple reports both during and after the playoffs that he had a back injury.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Boy, he sure healed fast enough to head to the KHL.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
@DesertKing, Just a guess but it sounded like back spasms to me, which as you know can be very debilitating and can heal relatively quickly (as well as recur).
masterhans Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), groin strain
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Stuart Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@masterhans, his contract is definitely a groin strain on the NJD finances!
Where’s Bordson?
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TeamJMFJ Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
@vplaza, already asked this above…
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I realize that the Kings are limited to 52 names on the Cup, but I really feel that Bernie Nicholls should have been included. To say that he is not part of the Coaching Staff is ludicrous. He was on the ice with players during practices, helped to try and jumpstart their anemic power play, and was invaluable to Daryl Sutter when he took over as coach. I’m sure that the players would tell you that Nicholls played a valuable role in their success, serving as mentor and inspiration.
I remember the morning of Game 6 of the Finals. Willie Mitchell was the first player on the ice for practice. Nicholls was there feeding him passes so he could practice his one timer from the point.
The Kings would be well advised to retain Nicholls’ services, if they haven’t already done so. He bleeds purple!
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luc20rules Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
@Rainman, Strong arguement. Although I believe that Bernie was called in by DS a month or 2 after he came to the Kings. IMHO the names on the cup should just be for Coaches and Players, but since they allow any names its just up to a person or group of management to select the names deserving or not. Opening it to non player/coaches just leaves room for those that didn’t have a direct impact to the teams success.
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OT
kopi got his first assist(and he missed his SO attempt) tonight for Mora IK in 5-4 SO victory
btw, his contract pays him about 2000€/month…
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Gailweb Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
@grega11, thanks for the update really do
appreciate it thanks
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Not including Bob Miller’s name in the Cup engraving is quite more than unfair, considering the amount of loyal fans his class act persona has been able to attract into the LA Kings fan base for DECADES.
But adding Nancy Anschutz is a flat out insult. What is her role in the organization?
What are her contributions to the team?
Scratching my head on this one.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
@Gustavo, Hopefully it will be crossed out at some point.
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JD Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), She is the owner of the team, and has every right to be on the cup, but to not find room for bob really makes the whole organization look terrible
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
@JD, She’s not the owner of the team at all. She has no role in AEG whatsoever. Period.
JD Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), you have no idea how much input she has with the running of AEG, but the fact that they have been together since she was in jr high, means she is difinetly one of the owners of the team, and get name derserves to be on the cup
Loki should be on the cup too, but DL seemed to be a guy that holds a gruge, which is alright with me, as long as he puts out Stanley cup caliber teams
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luc20rules Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
@Gustavo, Just to point it out the 2011 Boston Bruins had 4 of the owners family members on it, and only one of them had a staff position with the team. Not saying she should be there just pointing out it could be so much worst. While being on the cup is a huge honor would you prefer a team championship ring or having your name on the cup? My guess the wife won’t have to choose.
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“Red Wings Fined Undisclosed Amount ($250,000) for Devellano Comments…”
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=405840
I wonder how much the Red Wings would have been fined if he really spoke his mind! What happened to the First Amendment?
It’s good to see that Napoleon (GB) is alive and well. Talk about insecure!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
@Rainman,
Devellano is awesome. Kudos to him for telling it like it is.
“The owners can basically be viewed as the Ranch, and the players, and me included, are the cattle. The owners own the Ranch and allow the players to eat there. That’s the way its always been and that the way it will be forever. And the owners simply aren’t going to let a union push them around. It’s not going to happen.”
As for the 1st amendment, not sure if you’re serious, but it has nothing to do with this. The 1st amendment protects against government interference of expressing yourself freely, not an employer’s right to have codes of conduct. In other words, he signed a contract that holds him to a certain standard and when that standard is breached, he is in violation, thus the fine. No different than when DL was fined for criticizing the call in Toronto.
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FiG17 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@Rainman,
In the interview he did that caused this fine, he actually very heavily defended Gary Bettman. I don’t think it has anything to do with his insecurities.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
@Rainman, As stated above the 1st amendment doesn’t prohibit a fine in this circumstance.
Having said that, here comes more stupidity from the NHL offices again. Blatantly break the rules, no fine. Slash someone with a goalie stick, no fine. Say the wrong thing and have the book thrown at you. Ridiculous.
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Buster Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 4:16 pm
@Rainman,
Also nice to know that he shot himself in the foot and the head at the same time.
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Gustavo Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
@Rainman,
The owners are the Ranch.
The Players are the cattle eating on the ranch.
The FANS are the grass both players and owner crap on.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
@Gustavo,
+1
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I tried, but did not find anything to help me understand what contributions Mrs. Nancy Anschutz has made to the LA Kings organizations that earned her a name spot on the Cup. I’m sure she is a wonderful person, a marvelous wife and mother….but shhheeessshhhhh…. Why not the children? or the family pet? Why mocking the Cup is such nepotistic manner? Practice pylons make more contributions than Mrs Anschuts.
If I’m wrong, please correct me. This is one of those where I really really really want to be wrong, for all the right reasons.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
@Gustavo, It all comes down to how you define the prerequisites. Some people seem to think the only reason the Kings are owned by AEG is because of her, therefore she belongs on the Cup along with a statue in her honor outside Staples. Hell, let’s just call us the LA Nancys and have her face on the Jersey.
Meanwhile, people like you and me see it for what it is. Pure nepotism and power. It’s not the first time and won’t be the last.
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Buster Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
I see a slight problem with this
Wouldn’t calling us the LA Nancys be confusing us with the average Ucks fan?
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:13 am
@Buster, Good point!
What about Taylor Stevens? Everyone knows she won Game 6 single handily by sitting behind the Devils bench with her ginormous balloons.
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puck73 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Thats the funniest thing you have ever posted !
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DesertKing Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
I always wondered what the proper spelling was for “ginormous”
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
What………no links???
And make the links jiggle, please……. o_O
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Loktionov played in 3 playoff games, what a travesty of justice. But yeah, we got Nancy Anshutz!!!!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
@Chuck, She’s a part of the organization. I do want to know what she said or did that led to the cup being won. Perhaps nothing.
No Lokti on the cup would be palatable IF DD2 and KW had ALSO been left off. I’d like to know why those 2 over someone who did play, albeit briefly, in the playoffs.
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Have other owners put their wives on the cup? No agenda or opinion here, just asking an honest question.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
@HockeyNerd,
I am sure they have. There are plenty of rumors of players putting their wives and girlfriends onto and into the Cup. Oh, er, um, nevermind……
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:37 pm
@DesertKing, Their wives NAMES on the cup. You took me too literally….
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DesertKing Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 am
@HockeyNerd,
Gotcha, thanks!
How does the owners wife make the list but not Bernie Nichols ?
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The 52 names should be the 52 people IN THE ORGANIZATION AT THE TIME OF THE CUP WIN who were MOST RESPONSIBLE FOR WINNING THE CUP DUE TO THEIR EFFORTS.
That obviously leaves off Bailey and Bavis.
You’d really have to make a very strong case for Bob Miller. Just doing what he’s always done for 40 years is not enough.
And I can even see why Lokti might not make that list.
But the Owner’s wife? JUST that in and of itself is not enough. Maaaaaybe she had a hand in some decision that was made but I think all of you are right to question that.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@HockeyNerd,
The thing that has everyone so pissed is that there doesn’t seem to be any clear cut criteria for how this list is made. Lokti off and Whiskey/Westy on is just silly. There’s no rational that makes sense. It’s all if this then that, in which case there’s no way he gets left off and no way Nancy gets on.
As for Bob, he has contributed to the team as much as any person in the history of the franchise IMO. I don’t know why broadcasters aren’t put on it or if any ever have but if one deserves it, it’s Bob.
At the very least, his ‘jersey’ will be in the rafters along side Chicks one day… I hope.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Again it seems very clear cut to me that the criteria should be not who deserves it, nor who has contributed toward many years, but whose efforts resulted in the Kings winning the cup. Bob Miller is a fantastic announcer, perhaps the best in Hockey, but what did he do directly to help the Kings win the cup? You can argue for Scouts, Trainers, even an owner, but I don’t think the Kings in any way, shape, or form
won a Stanley cup because of anything Bob Miller did.
Now as to why you put an owner’s wife on there or put 2 players who didn’t play in the playoffs ahead of someone who did I have no good reason to give you.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@HockeyNerd,
You make a strong argument about Bob. I think the same thing can be said about the owner though. He contributed nothing directly to help win the Cup. Indirectly, yes. He ok’d the spending of his money for players. That’s it.
I would argue that as far as inspiring players goes, Bob far and away helped the team more than the owner. Inspiration is a real contribution IMO. If I’m not mistaken, many players publicly said getting Bob a Cup was a personal motivation, as evidenced by a super classy Brown bringing it up to him and Jim at the end of Game 6.
Not the best argument, but that’s all I got.
11 or 3 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
@HockeyNerd, maybe mrs nancy will respectfully decline once someone explains to her what the stanley cup is and how she has her name engraved on it.
wrt the wife being on the Cup….Phil still wants to be married!!! Also I think everytime someone says a name that they think should be pn the cup…they need to say which one comes off…. Also…wouldnt it be real COOL if they put “THE FANS” on the Cup???
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
@Neil,
Great idea Neil. I’ll play.
Off: Nancy Anschutz, Dan Beckerman and Ted Fikre
On: Bob Miller, Jim Fox and Andrei Loktionov
That’s just for starters…
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11 or 3 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), also, what did ted fikre do to get his name on the cup? at least dan beckerman has a name that makes it sound like he did something important… maybe nancy gets that presitgious honorary membership into augusta national but needs to show she has done something “sporty” like win the stanley cup?
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
@11 or 3, He isn’t even listed in the Kings staff directory. The only other person not listed… the wife.
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:39 pm
@11 or 3, Apparently he provides legal advice….guess I already said too much
Here’s a little more perspective on the Loktionov omission…
He played more games in a Kings uniform this past regular season than 7 other players whose names will appear on the Stanley Cup. He had one point less than Brad Richardson yet he played in 20 fewer games. And as a side note, Scott Parse played in the same number of games as did Davis Drewiske.
(still shaking my head)
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luc20rules Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), LOL, makes you wonder if he was left off because he bolted to the KHL while obligated to play at Manchester doesn’t it. Yes, this is a guess based on 2 sets of facts forming an opinion in this matter. Just kidding poking the angry bear. Have a good one. I think Loki should be on it over Westy & DD2.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), I’m not so much bothered by leaving him off in and of itself as that it does seem strange to petition for DD2 and KW and leave him out. Either all 3 should have been included or left out.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 9:13 pm
@HockeyNerd, Would agree, the only arguement for DD2 & KW is that they were with the Kings all season(Scratches mostly). Loki while he contributed more while up he was constantly being sent down to Manchester. I would say that was because he was young enough to be sent down and not be exposed to waivers.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 8:54 am
@HockeyNerd, I feel the same way. I’d also point out Lokti was closest to satisfying the actual NHL requirement for being on the Cup (by far) than Whiskey or Westy. The guy was 2 measly games away from being a mandatory selection for puck’s sake.
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No Bernie Nicholls? Messed up!
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Glad to see Luc will have his name on the cup as a King.
LUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCC!!!!!!!!!!!
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shouldn’t it read before Kompon’s name…”In site of”?
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Ravens Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
@Ravens, in spite os…..I hate my key pad
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Ravens Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
@Ravens, in spite of…..oh no wonder I never come on late Saturday night
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
@Ravens, Honestly I don’t understand all this ragging on Kompon. He had a team that was almost dead last in goals scored in the middle of the pack on the power play.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Well, since you asked – Kompon’s PP strategy failed all season. DS took over in December and brought Nichols on board to help. Nichols and DS simplified the PP strategy and changed it from a “special unit” plan to a “standard lines” plan, with every line participating. Kompon basically got relegated to reviewing video, which is his specialty. Even during the playoffs, the various announcers credited Nichols with turning the PP around. Can’t wait to see Chicago’s PP this season (if there is one).
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:49 pm
@DesertKing, Idk. Seem to remember the PP not being that bad for stretches while the 5 on 5 offense was non existant at the same time. AND the PP, Nicholls and all was horrible in the playoffs up until the last game. I’m just saying that you can’t put the problems ALL on Kompon. There were many other factors.
DesertKing Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 8:17 am
@HockeyNerd,
Last 2 seasons our overall offense amd PP, under the supervision of JK, resulted in our team being at the bottom of all offensive statistics in the league. In fact, we were 29 or 30 for most of last season. It took DS and Nichols several months too fix the problems created by JK. The proof is is in the results – the Kings finally win the Cup and one of the first things DL does is fire Kompon. Sorry, but that means everything.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:12 am
@HockeyNerd, Yep. Regardless of how we all feel about the guy, he was kept on as assistant by Sutter who could have easily fired him. Kudos to Kompon for lasting as long as he did in an organization whose fan base hated him. As much as I didn’t like him as a coach, I would never take his name off the Cup.
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Hey, I got a question – If Phil and Nancy divorce, a la the McCourts, do they have to split the Cup?
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11 or 3 Reply:
September 22nd, 2012 at 11:59 pm
@DesertKing, they will just re-etch her name with her maiden name
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Off the topic…and because I haven’t chimed in in a while…this lockout is insanity run amuck…
It’s always the fans who get shafted and end up paying more(and more) in the end…
who’s name should or shouldn’t be on the cup is not my concern right now…
It all means nothing until I know there is going to be NHL hockey this year and that banner goes up at Staples…
…other than that, it’s just rich men and richer men divided by their own egoes while the rest of us have to worry about paying our mortgages and rent and all that other BS…
This NHL…this Hockey is supposed to be an outlet for all the BS in my life…
this lockout has made me depressed and I am starting to stress out as well…
Shame on you for souring the sport I love so much…
now get your collective heads out of your butts and get back to work!
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WHAT?!!! NO Bernie Nichols???!!! BOGUS!!!!!
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I miss hockey
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OK, its time to start suing people. First, I’m suing Staples. I keep hitting that red “Easy” bottom and still don’t own AEG and my name didn’t get on the Cup. Second, I’m suing State Farm. I keep singing that “like a good neighbor” song, and nop agent shows up and I still don’t own AEG or have my name on the Cup. Man, what does a guy have to do around here to own a $7 billion corporation and get their name on the Stanley Cup?
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Jon G Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
@DesertKing, Please tell me that’s a typo in your third sentence above.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
@Jon G,
Lol! Yes, it is, but it is actuallly funnier than the word that was supposed to go there. Now that was easy
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Westgarth played in 25 regular season games. Zero playoff games. Name on the cup. From North America.
Drewiske played in 9 regular season games. Zero playoff games. Name on the cup. From North America.
Loktionov played in 39 regular season games. Two playoff games. Not on the cup. From Europe.
Moller and Holloway decide to leave the King’s organization to play overseas. From Europe.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 am
@KC23, Russia (Lokti) isn’t Europe.
It’s like saying Simon Gagne is from Mexico.
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Gustavo Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Russia is BOTH in Europe and Asia. The Ural Mountain range being the continental divide between them. Since Lokti is from Voskresensk, about 50 miles southeast of Moscow it is fair to say he is European.
Now that so many are NHLers are playing in Europe it may be a good time to dust off those geography encyclopedias collecting dust on the bookshelves, uh..
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
@Gustavo, LOL. I knew someone would fall for that. And Mexico is in America so is Canada. They are both Americans in the same way. Yes Russia is mostly in the Asian continent but they are never referred to as Asians for good reason. Culturally Russians aren’t European or Asian, which is the point I was making. On the other hand, we could say Hockey is America’s sport since Canada is in America!
KC23 Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), regardless, doesn’t change the point of the message.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:14 am
@KC23, True! But I still don’t know what the message is
KingsATX Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Lokti was born in Voskresensk, Russia. It’s Europe, and for the record, it’s nothing like saying “Gagne is from Mexico”.
However, it is a lot like saying “hey, try to follow me here while I disrupt/diminish KC23′s point with disordered logic.”
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm
@KingsATX,
I’m glad it’s for the record. Now if we can just get a REAL Russian to confirm my ‘disordered’ logic the REAL record would be set.
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@KC23, OK, I will. The team decided they would petition for the players that were on the roster all year. Westgarth was. Drewiske was. Loktionov was not.
Moller and Holloway made their OWN decision to play in Europe rather than stay in the minors, work hard there, and possibly be called up when an injury occurred at which time they would have a chance to stay, just as King and Nolan eventually did.
I’d ask you what your conclusion is, but I’m pretty sure I already know.
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jess Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
@KC23,
I agree with the message. Russia, while geographically quite expansive and dips into many areas of Asia, is comprised of predominantly Slavic people, which are of indo-european origin and their language is classified as such.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:20 am
@jess, Much more than ‘dips into.’ It’s actually more than 3/4 in the Asian continent. Of course there’s Eurasia, which is the real continent. Thus making Loktionov and Kopitar Chinese.
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jess Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Yes, I’ve seen paintings of kobidor’s great uncle, who invented gunpowder
Hey Rich, can we please get some reports on the following:
HockeyFest – oh yea, not happening.
Training camp – oh yea, not happening.
Frozen Fury – oh yea, not happening.
Opening night and raising the banner – oh yea, not happening
Continued CBA negotiations – oh yea, not happening.
Well, what else would you expect from the “Not Happening League”?
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Howe9 Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@DesertKing,
And Breakfast with the GM too.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 2:13 pm
@Howe9,
Oh yea, thats not happening either
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Please go back 2 posts earlier and see Rich & Helen Elliott articles about Luc’s day with the cup. I know all the blogging tends to hit the latest blog, but Luc has done so much for the Kings and the LA area. I believe with his mother diagnosed with Liver Cancer deserves more than 11 posts of support. Get Well Madelaine Robitaille all those I know are praying for your speedy recovery.
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Off topic. I am watching NFL Redzone for the first time on Time Warner #356. What a great channel.
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dana l Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
@Forum Gold, Hi-def is like channel 1257 or something, go to channel 2 and click backwards. I stumbled upon both, NFL rezone and NFL channel
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So I heard Jonathan Quick had a brief acting stint for NFL on Fox today, and I’m so desperate for any shred of Kings hockey that I’ve been searching everywhere for it. Anyone know where I can see it?
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Rrrrrrrrrraiders! At lest one silver and black team was in action today. Hey Bettman, nice job losing a few more millions of $$ and a few more fans. If I were you, I wouldn’t go anywhere near Vegas or the MGM next weekend.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
@DesertKing, Agree, I’ll wring his neck!.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@LVKINGS88,
While sober too!
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1. As much as I like these guys there names have no place on the cup: Peter Demers, Mark Bavis, Ace Bailey, Jack Johnson. None of them were with the team that won. OK, maybe in spirit but that doesn’t count.
2. Bob Miller doesn’t belong on the cup. He deserves it, yes. He is a fantastic announcer, yes. We are all happy for him, yes. Did the Kings win the cup because of something he did? No.
3. Drewiske and Westgarth were petioned for because they were with the team the entire year.
4. There is no conspiracy against Loktionov. He didn’t meet the requirements of #3. Nothing more. It’s not a hatred of Europeans. It’s not “payback” for signing with the KHL.
5. It is nonetheless hard to defend not having Loktionov on there when the Owner’s wife and AEG’s lawyer are.
6. A league which does nothing when a player blatantly cheats, does nothing when a goaltender slashes a player after a game but fines a general manager an estimated 250,000 for speaking his mind is in sad, sad shape.
7. A league which puts out a public statement saying they are “committed to negotiations around the clock” then schedule none is in sad, sad shape.
8. In spite of 6 and 7 Hockey is the greatest sport in the world and IF it is played in 2012-2013 I will be there.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
@HockeyNerd, “Their names”. My mom is going to read this later, and believe me she will give me a lecture on the difference between “their” and “there”.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 6:18 pm
@HockeyNerd, One more thing to get off my chest: Bernie Nicholls belongs on the cup. He may not have officially been with the organization but here IS a case where we can point to his work with the coaching staff and players as something that DID matter.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@HockeyNerd,
I am good with 6,7 and 8. Mom, stop reading HN’s posts! He is a good person and doing mothing wrong, unless you are secretly a Ducks fan.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
@DesertKing, “nothing” wrong
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puck73 Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 9:19 am
@HockeyNerd, Very good post, and I agree with all of it. Nice job.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:30 am
@HockeyNerd,
“He didn’t meet the requirements of #3″
Just to be clear, ‘being with the team the entire year’ is not a requirement for being on the Cup. It’s totally arbitrary and by itself means nothing. He played in 32 gamnes in Manchester. Nolan played in 40 and King played in 50. If that was reason he’s not on the Cup then it’s ridiculous IMO.
#6, agreed however, as you probably know, the NHL can’t fine any player more than $2,500 because the players union prohibits it. Not the leagues fault in any way when it comes to tiny fines for players.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), To clarify:I should not have used the word “requirements”, I just meant what I thought the Kings based their decision on. None of the 3 (Lokti, DD2, KW) met the requirements. I meant to say “CONDTIONS of #3″
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
@HockeyNerd, ” requirements” as in the number of games to be put on the cup without a petition.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 25th, 2012 at 10:14 am
@HockeyNerd, Yep. I knew you didn’t mean requirement as it relates to the official (but not) rules. I just wanted to clarify it.
I think most would agree that BERNIE NICHOLLS and ANDREI LOKTIONOV should’ve been engraved on the Cup. Those two seem the most obvious in their contributions.
Perhaps the counterargument is that Nicholls was just a consultant and Loktionov played only because we had to put him in at the time. The team gelled into a winner once he didn’t play and we had Carter, King, and Nolan, which resulted in putting Stoll back at 3rd line center instead of Lokti. However, he did play 41 games (half), though two of those were in the playoffs, which should mean something (though the playoff appearance was only because of injuries). Also consider that the Kings may want young players that didn’t quite have enough of a contribution to still hunger for the Stanley Cup (though Lokti’s future success with the Kings seems dubious).
I’m just wondering if a couple of the non-player engravings on the Cup were more important than Lokti or Nicholls….
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luc20rules Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
@John Deukmejian, Sadly to some extent its politics. Who you know the power/pull they have within the organization. My opinion it should just be players & coaches. I know a ton of people all the way thru the organization put in long hours, but as far as who ultimately has a input as to what happens on the ice its players & coaches. I think the Scouts and Management sure, but if the owner lives 1000 miles away and only sends money and is only asked if its ok to spend more even he shouldn’t be on the cup more or less the wife. It could be worse though Boston had 4(2 with no job/position with the team) names from the owners family last year not including himself.
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The Kings Win The Cup!!!!
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You win as a team, you lose as a team. Kompton was part of the team all season, he deserves that respect. The absentee owner’s wife?!? That’s a joke.
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Gustavo Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:38 pm
@billanthony,
And a bad one, at that.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 23rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
@billanthony, Not just Compton. Kings fans came from Carson, Gardena, Hermosa Beach and Inglewood too.
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billanthony Reply:
September 26th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
@HockeyNerd, Doh! LOL, caught that the second I hit reply.
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Haven’t been on lately and I haven’t read all the posts but does anyone know if Rich or anyone else is going to post pics of the Kings section on the Cup? Just wondering. BTW Fehr and Bettman: Stop this nonsense and get on with it I’m all ready having withdrawls….
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Mikey J. Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 1:28 am
@Goring 19, You ain’t kidding. I was a lot more moody last week.
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I still think I’m dreaming.
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So 9 days into the lockout, can anyone tell me how many times they have met to negotiate and try to get this thing worked out?
They must be meeting every day for at least 12 hours per day right?
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neil Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 8:43 am
@Sebastian, they have met as many times as the Kings have played this season……as many times as I scored a goal last season…as many times as I have rooted for the Ducks to win…as many….. I guess you know where Iam going with this…the answer is ZERO !!!!
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First photo of engraving…I wish. http://bit.ly/ULjups
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luc20rules Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Awesome! I will just bring a sharpie and draw a line from Kings 2011-12 Champions to whereever that name is and circle it on Oct 3rd. LOL.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
@luc20rules, Or maybe I will just bring a Brother P-Touch Labeler, No Bob Miller & Loki my bleep.
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Only 9 hours to go before the first preseason game! Yes! Oh wait. Never mind.
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Stuart Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 10:42 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), you are on a proverbial role! LOL
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Attention insiders. @poorman is doing a live radio remote today at Nationwide furniture Liquidators today, starting at noon. The adress is 830 South Main Street in Santa Ana.
If you ever wanted to meet the guy and tell him how awesome Bernier is, now is your chance to do so in person ! lol
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Stuart Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@puck73, that is some priceless advertising, right there! Whattapal, whattapal!
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jess Reply:
September 24th, 2012 at 11:21 am
@puck73,
I CAN’T WAIT to miss that
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Screw the season. Let’s just keep watching this.
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I don’t just think TM should be on the cup. In my own universe I know he should have his name on the cup. There is a gap between giving him a ring but not including his name. I’m sure that at least one name (Mrs. Anschutz….. not sure what she contributed, unless she convinced her husband not to sell the team) could have been eliminated in favor of TM.
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The owners wife over Lokti!?!! What a joke!
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