Independent of the Ryane Clowe fiasco, there’s a reason why Darryl Sutter referred to San Jose as the “favorite’’ in the division, even now, and a reason why the Kings were no doubt relieved to see Nashville take down Dallas last night. The Sharks, for all their baffling stumbles this season, are still a tough, tough team. When a team, in game 81, battles back from deficits of 1-0, 3-1 and 4-3, there is undeniable skill and mental toughness. Neither goalie really distinguished himself last night, but the Sharks found some life after Joe Thornton’s power-play goal late in the third period made it a 3-2 game, and then they turned in an excellent third period. A week ago, the Sharks were in grave danger of missing the playoffs. Then they turned in two season-saving victories over Dallas. Now, if Phoenix should stumble, the Kings and Sharks would play Saturday for the Pacific Division title. It’s fair to say that everyone outside of the Coyotes’ fan base would love to see that. Here’s how the San Jose Mercury News covered last night’s game, followed by some additional postgame quotes from the Sharks’ locker room…
San Jose Sharks clinch playoff berth, then hold off Kings in shootout
San Jose Sharks’ Ryane Clowe breaks up Kings’ late potential scoring threat from the bench
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COACH TODD MCLELLAN
(on the game…) “I knew there was going to be a lot of emotion. I thought it was going to be a hard game. I didn’t anticipate us scoring five. I didn’t count on us giving up five as well. So there’s a lot more offense in it than I thought there would be. Most of it came from special-teams situations. It was a heck of a game, a lot of emotion. The fans were in it, a playoff-type atmosphere.”
(on making the playoffs and getting the win…) “For the fourth night in a row, I’m going to say the same thing. We’re not going to get too high and we don’t get too low. We’ll rest tomorrow and then we know we’ve got another big game to play. I’m glad that game will really mean something because it will set us up and, I’m sure, L.A. up for a good playoff run.”
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DAN BOYLE
(on the game…) “That was a crazy game, man. Down 3-1, we battled back. They got another one, we took the lead. It was a pretty entertaining game for the fans and it was a hard-fought win. We showed a lot of character.”
(on clinching a playoff spot…) “We knew after the first that Dallas and Colorado had lost so (there was) a little bit of relief. Obviously we wanted to win this game and give ourselves a chance at getting that third seed and we’re giving ourselves a chance obviously.”
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RYANE CLOWE
(on the game…) “I think it was one of those games where I think both teams took more penalties than they probably usually do. They’re a top PK team, we’re one of the top PP teams and we were fortunate that our power play was really good tonight, obviously. That sort of game tonight was not really expected but we went at each other hard. … It was a playoff game. Playoff atmosphere, emotion. Physical. We played pretty well, seeing as we played L.A. last year in the playoffs. There’s a lot on the line, obviously with the division, but one of the things was our character tonight, how we battled thought it.”
(on whether he touched the puck while on the bench…) “I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I’ll have to see the video or something. Someone show me the video.”
I think I want the division more then anything right now.
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Humorous that they both mention their “character” as if there wasn’t a gross unsportsmanlike act involved../
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@Iansez, Saw that. Despicable.
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McCheese Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@Iansez, actually, I read it that they fought through their lack of character. What an idiot this guy is. Still pissed that he didn’t get suspended.
Anyone know how to send Gary B and email?
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Funny how Clowe’s name is just own letter away from “Clown”.
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Kingstane9 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@vplaza, haha…
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The Clowe incident is being overblown. The Kings lost last night by taking some bad penalties and by not being able to hold a two goal lead. No excuse for being up 3-1 and then blowing it. If you have a 2 goal lead at this point in the season (especially towards the end of the 2nd period) you can’t let the other team back into the game. The poor penalty killing by the Kings was a big part of why they lost.
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LAK27 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Jeff, Yeah but a penalty on Clown would have put us back on a 5 on 3 and the way we were scoring powerplay goals who knows what would’ve happened.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Jeff, The Kings absolutely deseved to lose the game by taking too many dumb penalties, and an off night from Quick. That being said, Clowe should be suspended, and the Sharks organization should be hit in the wallet.
Dont confuse the Kings not playing a smart game with a player that got away with cheating thanks to the spineless Gary Bettman. Roger Goodell and David Stern would have made Clowe and The Sharks pay dearly for that incident.
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QUICKsilver Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
@puck73, Half the dumb penalties weren’t even “taken”, they were given by the refs on clean or close to clean plays. It was a joke.
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GREG Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
@puck73, vlasic falls on his face, no one touches him, Kopi gets a penalty. How do you control that?
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The Puck Stops Here Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@Jeff, Good points. Despite the Clowe thing, the Kings should have shut them down, and not taken bad penalties. The players need to own this loss and learn from it. Good powerplays last night by both teams. PK needs to be better.
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Evan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@Jeff, I agree with you 100%. Clowe’s play was ridiculous but in no way is it the reason we lost.
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LAK27 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:53 am
@Jeff, What do consider bad penalties from last night? Kopitars penalty for tripping was questionable, Quicks penalty for interference resulted in a guy flopping, Cliffords major was really weak. The refs sucked last night, couldn’t even make a call on a guy reaching out from the bench to disrupt the play. The Kings could’ve played the game clean and still would’ve been hit with penalties.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@LAK27, It sure seemed that way to me as well.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@puck73, It did to me too. I’m thinking, however, that if the refs were bad one way, they probably were the other. Nevertheless, I consider it a legitimate (outside the final outcome) that the officiating was horrible. IMO, the worst was the call on Quick. He’d just been run and it appeared he was being run a second time so he put up his blocker. I probably would have gone with a no-call and a warning there.
Mars Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@Jeff, I do not think it would have changed the outcome of the game, nor do I expect a change done because of that.
But the officials missing it, and no action being taken by the NHL for misconduct and unsportsmanlike like conduct?
WOW
I know the Kings will not retaliate in a like manner.
It really sends a bad messge to other pros and kids.
Just do it when the refs are not looking.
BAD example
This is making a mockery of the rules and everything they are putting in place
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teki Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am
@Jeff, how about that bad penalty kopitar took? definitely a penalty… oh and that 5 minute major that clifford took… the officiating was horrible and considering how the power plays were going they decided the game. giving a penalty to clowe, more than likely, would have gotten us a goal. of course not everything can be so easy, however, when the officials play a huge part in the outcome of a game because of blown calls it is quite frustrating.
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John Strachan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
@teki, after seeing the replay, Kopi did hit the Sharks player on the foot with his stick, so he deserved the penalty. Of course, perhaps he wouldn’t have done that if he hadn’t been tackled and held down in the play before that.
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mars Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@John Strachan, Last night I was pissed at the ammount of holding on Kopi, they always had a fistfull of his jersey when he was close enough.
GARBAGE officiating.
The penalties we took, we took, I am not going to complain about what is done, it is what is not done that drives me insane. And last night was so lop sided I am going insane.
I am still mad about it today, woke up mad, yeah that kinda mad.
California Royalty Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@Jeff, True. But it was a 3 on 2 and they had speed entering the zone
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McCheese Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Jeff, you are wrong Jeff. This isn’t about the outcome of the game… we choked that one away by giving up all the PP goals. This is bigger than one game. Its embarrassing for the NHL and the game of hockey.
This game is better than football, than basketball, than soccer because there is a certain honor and sportsmanship that people who play the game believe in.
No place in this game for what happened and that should be acknowledged by the league.
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Seanyboy Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
@Jeff, It wasn’t (NECESSARILY) the reason we lost the game, but its more of a question of the integrity of our sport. That’s why I’m outraged.
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Changes nothing. If Phoenix loses, we still hold our destiny in our own hands.
Nothing else to say about it.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
@Lake Forest, Phoenix will not collect all four points. If they do (and I can’t believe I’m saying this) they deserve the spot…and what’s more, if it comes to that, the Kings deserved to lose the spot. What the Kings have to do, either way, is play Saturday to win in regulation.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
What’s more, when they do that, after all that’s happened, they’ll have proven they’ve matured.
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Lake Forest Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, I agree. We are still basically last in the league scoring wise, and top 2 defense wise. We earned a playoff spot.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
What’s worst about last night is they gave up two third period leads when there was the best incentive possible to finish with two points. Now they’ve put themselves in a position of having to win in San Jose and hope Phoenix doesn’t pull a rabbit out of their hat. This, because there’s a HUGE difference between 3rd and 7th or 8th seed.
mars Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
@Lake Forest, I agree, but my faith in the officiating and NHL commish and reviewrs etc is tarnished for good.
A lot of steam is piling over from the whole recent Crosby debacle too.
The NHL is not handling things well at all.
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Let’s face it…the Sharks want it so bad they will do anything to get it, even cheat. Hell they are even cheating with growing their playoff beards by starting before they even clinched a playoff spot. Time for the Kings to take them to school and teach them that cheaters never win and winners never cheat. LGK!!!
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mars Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
@the hockey don, Yeah, the NHL should make them shave. ;P
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Kings need to learn from last night’s game. Don’t get suckered into playing San Jose’s game. Play their own game, which they uncharacteristically abandoned last night.
Don’t take stupid penalties, kill the ones that you do take (like you have all year), and beat these Sharts.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@vplaza, Agree. The Kings have 8 players that have been to the finals, they have to know better.
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vplaza Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@puck73,
It was just mind boggling to see Quick and Scuds take those two costly penalties. I was almost sure that DB’s penalty in OT would have cost us then as well.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@vplaza, I would have defended myself too, if I was Quick and had just been run once, watching someone come at me again.
Dominick (defrim65) Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@vplaza,
Agreed. On the hockey part of the game, the Kings dominated in every area. Zone possession, shot differentials, hits, chances.
The Ducks are more accustomed to a chippy game (and I’m not complaining, they just play that way) and the Kings play a hard hitting in your face game (but an honest game that relies on systematic play). The Kings played a chippy game last night, and got burned by being suckered into a type of game that they don’t normally play.
The saving grace for the Kings to at least salvage a point was that San Jose sucked on the PK, but they accomplished gett 6 power plays out of the Kings (1 for 5 minutes) and they capitalized on 3 of them.
They are ranked #2 for a reason on the PP, and the Kings have to stay away from letting San Jose force them into a chippy game. DD fighting right off the bat, nasty hits, pushing and shoving after the whistle. These are not things the Kings do on purpose, and although they need to rise to the occasion, they need to do it within their own structure.
If they just play hockey, they’ll come out on top. Turn the other cheak, and make’em pay on the scoreboard.
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vplaza Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
@Dominick (defrim65),
Maybe DD is still thinking about last year. Didn’t he take an undisciplined penalty in the playoffs last year against these Sharts as well? He needs to not let them get in his head.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
@Dominick (defrim65), I’ve never seen them get screwed out of a game they dominated any more than that one.
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Duncanz Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@Dominick (defrim65),
“Ducks”?
signed, R.Hammond, esq ~
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Alright, enough said already, it’s time to go out and simply WIN!
Nothing else matters, what’s done, is done.
Since Sutter got here, this team has taken significant strides towards learning how to win.
Down the stretch, there were several games in which the team actually locked games down when leading.
Unfortunately, this didn’t happen against the Sharks in the penultimate game of the season, but I’d like to think that it’s a habit that they’re learning to shake.
At this stage, I’d like to see the leadership on this team rise to the occasion and prevail.
Listening to Scuderi last night with Jim and Bob, he mentioned that the team got away from their defensive structure last night and allowed paths to the goal to open up and made it easy for the Sharks to get pucks that were either tipped or juicy rebounds. Needless to say, they will rectify this and not allow as many goals.
The other tidbit regarding Scuderi is how he came over to Quick right after the game while they were waiting to pass out their jerseys and was obviously uttering encouragment.
Starting with Sutter and on down through Mitchell, Scuderi, Greene, Kopitar, Richards, Williams, Penner, Stoll, and Fraser should take it upon themselves to settle things down and stay focused on the task at hand. These are the people that need to keep a steady hand so that the younger players can perform to their potential and help the entire team succeed.
This means understanding when to play on the edge and when to have patience. When to retalliate and when to bide your time, when to play smart and not try to be a “hero”. This means not letter the other team goad you into dumb mistakes and penalties. This means learning how to win despite the opposition and sometimes, the referees.
These lessons and the continued maturation of this team will be essential during the playoffs.
Cheers!
GkG!
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Duncanz Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@FdoFmFull,
Wow! A discussion about leadership and not a single mention of the ‘C’ jersey in there at all!
Was that actually intentional?
Don’t think I’m being accusative, though.
I have my opinions on the team’s leadership hierarchy and have posted several times before on the topic.
Cheers !
GFFFG !
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Anyone else find the humor in Boyle saying that the Sharks showed a lot of character last night?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@gralx, Hard to miss it.
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to ryan clowe: really no idea what were talking about touching the puck you will have to see the video?? be a man admit what you did and realize that because of it your a disgrace to your team the league and as a professional
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Maybe Clowe needs to be shown the video that is being circulated on the NHL network where you can clearly see him mouth, “that was stupid …”
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When Clowe uses the word “character,” I’m going to start using a different word.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@The Puck Stops Here, His word Character means to cheat to win
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@The Puck Stops Here, Character and getting away with something are different thats for sure. Thats like saying Scott Stevens head shots are the same as a Rob Blake hip check.
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Clown, or clowe you are a disgrace to your family and hockey.
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Sit Penner Dress Westgarth
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@HockeyfanB4Gretzky, I absolutely think Westgarth should dress tomorrow in place of Penner, no question in my mind.
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The Puck Stops Here Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@puck73, Maybe Thornton will think twice about fighting a guy who doesn’t fight if there’s a real heavyweight on the ice.
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Duckbasher Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@puck73,
What in the world do you think dressing Westgarth would do? NOTHING! He’s a slacker with zero talent who doesn’t even belong in the NHL. He won’t stand up for his team. He won’t take an instigator penalty for his team. He never fights anyone with any passion for his team. He uses his face to block punches. Give me a break. Might as well put Bernier out there as the enforcer over that guy.
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Since Clown asked for a video I sent it multiple times to his twitter. Hopefully he watches it at least once before he blocks me.
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Iansez Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am
@loskingpride, Haha, nice move. And perfectly legal..;)
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KingsGuy Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@loskingpride, Awesome
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
@loskingpride, FWIW, and I’m the last to care about it, there ARE internet stalking laws. But if they can’t catch you it didn’t happen, so good luck (maybe you can work Tor into it.)
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loskingpride Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, There’s a fine line between spamming his request and stalking so I doubt the feds will be at my door.
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Kingstane9 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
@loskingpride, he asked for it! Hehe
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The Sharks are a mentally tough team? They took a stupid elbowing penalty skating back to the bench to put the Kings on the PP with less than 5 minutes in and then put themselves down 5-on-3 to give up a tying goal. Then, after they give up the tying goal, Clowe does something stupid like stick out his stick to interfere on the play on the remaining PP that should have put them down 5-on-3 again. If Clowe gets caught and the Kings score on the 5-on-3 and take the division title, are we still talking about mental toughness for the Sharks?
The Kings lost the game on a skills competition at the end of the game that is widely determined to be a crap shoot by many hockey experts. The Kings may have not played their best game, but let’s not give the Sharks the edge in mental toughness when a blown call by the refs bailed the Sharks out of being embarassed once again.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@John Strachan, Concur
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tory17 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
@John Strachan,
total agree, great take
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King Alex Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@John Strachan, Excellent post!
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I’m actually fine with no supplemental discipline. Even though that is not a popular opinion here. I agree with a comment someone else made here that it simply was a missed call.
It was no doubt a crucial non call.
THAT BEING SAID…
I think it was DD who said it (Clowes poke check) is like a football player coming on to the field and making a tackel.
I completely agree with that. And so in my humble opinion I believe the league should write additional ruling this off season to make this a much more serious offense than just a “missed call”.
If a guy knows he will be suspended and a 5 min major assessed there’s no way that infraction is committed.
There is a guy I play pick up games with who ALWAYS does that from the bench. And in a meaningless pick up game it totally irritates me!! I can only imagine how infuriated Stoll must have been.
Crazy game.
Anyways, lets get it done in SJ boys!!
GO Blues tonight!
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@Lead Feet, I agree. Remember though, we are talking about Gary Bettman. This guy has no business running this league, and last night just confirmed it even more for me.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@Lead Feet, There’s a bigger problem, if it’s true (and I don’t think it is) that supplemental discipline cannot be used in situations such as this. It’s obvious to me (without regard to the outcome of the game being changed in any way) that supplemental discipline is necessary for “obvious cheating,” to dissuade players from being Ryan Clown and Sean Averys…and that’s really what Ryan Clown made of himself today.
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“We showed a lot of character.” I know, water under the bridge…but he didn’t say what kind of character.
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Lake Forest Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, yeah my ahole has a lot of character too apparently.
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Off topic, but I don’t know where else to say this:
I believe us Kings fans need to be more positive in our cheers about our own team than negative about the other team. I have a few reasons for this belief.
Rich, if you’re reading this, would you say that Staples does an unusual amount of “X team sucks” cheers and goalie taunting having been around the league. Also, there’s a lot of booing of the Kings too (but I’ve heard self-booing at most arenas). Maybe you could do a spot on it.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
@Steve, I always thought the “X team sucks” cheers were silly. They’re sort of like “beat LA” which I think is just about as silly (and more of a compliment than anything–gee LA must be a really important team, since you’ve got a chant only used against them.)
To the point, though, Staples Center would simply not have the organist play that tune, if it really is an issue.
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Finesse Hockey Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@Steve, Really…. come on this is hockey not Polo. Relating a blatant cheating issue to the fans having clean fun is crazy. Go talk with Magic and cleanup the Dodgers fans first… then come back and visit the heart of hockey in So Cal.
You want to make a difference, make sure every seat in the Staples Center is sold to Kings fans so we don’t have to see the “Sea of Red” when we play the Wings in the playoffs. If that happened then we would not have to chant now would we…
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Finesse Hockey Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
@Finesse Hockey, I will agree that the self-booing is awful. And, in fact, I have said around my season seats to some guys that do boo…. that you should not boo your own team.
The rest to me is just entertainment — guess we should make the Ice girls cover up completely as well….
Nice hockey, not ice hockey.
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Steve Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@Finesse Hockey, I don’t think it shouldn’t be done for a moral reason or to “clean up” Staples. It just doesn’t make sense, and it renders us, the fans, less effective.
For example, why taunt Niemi after Williams scores on him? To me, it says “we scored that because you’re bad, not because Williams is good.” I much prefe the idea of: look how good we are scoring on you who are good (even if Niemi sucks
).
Why not spend the energy chanting Williams (like “Luuuuuuuc”). If you were Williams after a goal, which would pump you up more, hearing your name chanted or “Go Kings Go!” or “Niiiieeemi!”
Also, taunting pros doesn’t make them perform worse. It is actually a motivator.
When I went to Joe Louis arena, the fans didn’t do a single negative cheer. Even though I hate the Wings, I had to give props to their fans.
Steve Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
@Finesse Hockey, I’m not relating it. I said it was off-topic.
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tornado12 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
@Steve, that kind of enthusiasm doesnt seem to have affected the Lakers too much…just sayin
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Boyle obviously has the obviously gene too….
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No two teams in the league pull unsportsmanlike crap than the Sharts and the Nuckleheads.. not surprising then that both those teams, despite being favorites year in and year out, don’t have cups. Lets hope it stays that way.
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Anyone have Tonya Harding’s number? Does she still have a used club for sale?
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Finesse Hockey Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, LOL…. I think we have a new Ice Crew girl… She goes out to clean the ice on the break and then takes out the CLOWN with a club!!!!!
It’s during a break in play, so no rules, no penalty, no one cares — especially the NHL.
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tory17 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
@Finesse Hockey,
that sounds perfect call that gal up
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Doughty compares the Clowe incident to football. A similar incident did happen in college football – many years ago. Could not find any reference to the incident on the Internet, but I remember hearing about a rivalry between two college players in the 1920′s, both running backs, I believe. Their teams played each other and with the score close, one of the running backs broke loose on a long run – apparently heading for the winning touchdown. As he heads for the touchdown the other running back runs onto the field from the sidelines and tackles the runner. Since he tackled him, the referrees obviously saw what happened, threw a flag, and if I remember correctly, awarded the touchdown. Wow.
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Rich,
Just wanted to point out that Thorntons late goal to give them some life was late in the second. Carry on.
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The problem with Clowe is that he INTENDED to disrupt play from the bench. Too many men on the ice, as Clowe’s conduct has been characterized, is generally negligent.
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This is why the other league’s continue to laugh at the NHL and Gary Bettman. Clowe would have never gotten away with bush league behavior had David Stern or Roger Goodell been the commisioner of the NHL. John Ziegler has returned.
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