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Sharks beat Kings 2-1 in shootout
Also, for those curious about the shootout lineup, it is generally chosen by virtue of those who perform well in shootout drills in practice. Coincidentally enough, the Kings had a shootout drill right before they left on this trip. Whether you think that’s a smart way to handle it or not, I think it’s fairly common for coaches.
Rich Hammond has covered the Kings, on a full-time or part-time basis, since the 2000-01 season. He previously worked at the Los Angeles Daily News, was the beat writer for the entire John Torchetti era and has witnessed Bob Miller singing country music in a Nashville honky-tonk bar.
Again, it came down to the fact that the shooters choked. Even Kopitar said as much. Enough with the irrational TM bashing.
Simmonds,duck out of water,Brown,brick wall,JJ,everyone knows the old right to left move, why not try some new blood, Parse maybe,then throw in some Ryan Smith,my point being mix it up a little, make them worry,Heck,tonight Ivanans was looking for a goal. Game time is always different than practice. Anyways, good game by the boys tonight
I’ve gotta say that usually the comments is what I love about the site – and for a majority of you guys I still love to read what you have to say – but the endless bashing of TM such that he gets no credit when we win or play solid and he gets all the blame when we lose is getting kinda old.
It’s almost like we don’t know what to do with ourselves now that the team has started to win.
We should be talking about a solid defensive effort on the road in a tough building against an elite team. Instead we are spending 99% of our time debating the 5 shooter in the shootout. I’m not talking about being complacent but just not creating lows when they don’t exist.
( @bkkjoe I just saw the placement of my comment after yours and it def was not aimed at you)
Well said Shakes!
I have to agree. Our unbeaten streak now stands at 5, we’re finally getting secondary scoring, and everyone is still unhappy. We held Thornton and Heatley off the board, came out of SJ with a point. I’m kind of happy with the effort. Quick stepped up.
I wanted two. Period. tm deserves the criticism he has earned it. is tm above reproach?
The sacred cow geeked big time. As did shooters 2-6. Nice.
The NHL needs to get rid of shootouts. They should do a W-L-OTL/T system with 4 on 4 skating and 5-10 minute periods.
Watching teams battle for 60 minutes to have it be decided with a novelty is a travesty.
Team effort>individual effort
Bottom Line – We have a team to be proud of!
nhl.com gets it wrong again, they have SJ ahead of us in the standings when the tie breaker rule is most points in games played between two clubs. we have 3 they have 2
Thanks Shakes for saying what a lot of us are thinking.
Ersberg I agree with you. The novelty has worn off. I’d like to see a 10 min OT..if still tied, both teams get a point. The shootout takes away from what was a great defensive battle by 2 very good teams.
Big Sleazy Fan
Be honest man, would you have used Zeus in the shootout (top 3 shooters)?
So if you’re being honest, the answer is no. If not for Heatley’s goal, we win after 3 rounds thanks to Zeus..the guy you and every other TM hater would have never used.
Now, on to the game
The Kings played a terrific road game against the best of the west last night. It was about as even a game as you’ll ever see.
Great goaltending by Quick. He was strong when he needed to be.
The Kings shut down the Thornton line without being able to matchup lines. All 4 lines played terrific.
Best game of the year by Frolov…by far.
You can see the difference between the games earlier in the season and last night. He was involved and strong on the puck the whole game. He’s be worth every penny if he would play like that every night.
Not much else to say except it was a terrific hockey game to watch.
The more I watch the Kings this year, the more I’m convinced that we’re not only a playoff team, but a contender as well.
Great job by DL and TM for building us a winner like they promised.
Next weeks matchup against the Penguins is quickly becoming more and more interesting. We match up to the best in the west…how about the cup champ east leaders??
Why all the negative responses? There were so many positives to be taken away from this game.
Very solid defensive effort. I thought Scuderi in particular was very strong last night.
The Kings were physical yet disciplined. Only two minor penalties.
The fourth line played very well last night. The fourth line spent the majority of their time on the ice in the San Jose zone.
Quick was good last night. This game actually renewed my faith in him a bit.
Most importantly, the Kings got a point IN San Jose. The shootout didn’t go our way tonight, but we were in the position we wanted to be in.
I know it’s difficult for some people, but try looking at the positives every now and then.
It was a very solid game Hamish. Not many penalties, good defense, Quick stood on his head a few times, Kopitar had 4 GREAT shots on goal and Nabakov stoned him.
It was a great game. The ending is just a bitter pill to swallow when you have guys that would have been 7,8,9 that should have been in the top 5.
For the record I wouldn’t have gone with Handzus either.
I’m happy we got a point but thought we could have had two.
Agreed, travesty is a good word for it. Not a fan of the shootouts.
jeez. it gets so annoying to see the kings try the same shootout move every time. their last 4 shots all tried to go 5-hole when nabokov had stopped all of them. oh well. i think its fitting the kings and sharks have the exact same record. they looked really evenly matched last night
With all due respect Rich, practice is practice and game time is game time. There are practice players and then there are game players. Also, Nabakov is not Quick (no pun intended) nor is he Ersberg.
As always, I like to read all the comments before I post. The perspectives from all of you are REALLY interesting, but I have to say that there is NO reason to be bashing Terry Murray like some of you do. The most hypocritical thing I saw was the one poster that basically spews serious venom at TM, calling him all sorts of names and berating him constantly, yet he has the audacity to tell another poster here “NO PERSONAL ATTACKS PLEASE”?!?! You know, contrary to popular belief, Terry Murray is a human being just like the rest of us. Because he is public figure and a professional NHL head coach doesn’t give anyone the right to publicly berate and (attempt to) humiliate him. None of us here could do 1/4th the job Terry Murray does day in & day out. Show some class with your frustration. Humor is cool, I’m all for that, but some of the repedetive BS is just going to drive people away and HURT what Rich and Luc have given us here. Some posters have come in and said as much.
My take on Terry Murray is that he is a patient coach who was given a VERY difficult situation with a team who could be described as having the skill level (as a group) of an elite AHL team and helped to guide their transformation of them in 18 months to what I saw last night: An elite NHL team! When Todd McClellan said that yesterday, I was in full agreeance with Quisp. ‘DON’T F WITH ME’. When I saw the Kings DOMINATE long stretches of play last night with poise and control against the consensus ‘Best team in the league’, I half-agree with Todd: We ARE PLAYING like an elite team. Terry Murray is a BIG part of that, like it or not. Does he frustrate me? Hell yeah! EVERY coach frustrates me because the little coach in me reacts and thinks they see something better that TM is missing. My little coach knows his boundaries. Some little coaches need potty training or a seat in the corner.
I’m glad TM is here. He’s transparent and does admit his mistakes (Quick not playing in NY, even though I was OK with Ersberg there for divisional play reasons). He’s humble as in his ‘How smart am I?’ comment to the press. Talk about opening yourself up for ridicule, notice the professional press didn’t rip him. He’s also firm as in his dealings with Fro, which I still think was absolutely necessary. Fro does NOT play with the intensity he had last night if he does not get benched. So don’t cut TM any slack, just lay off the repedetive BS. It’s unfounded and unintellegent.
Who are the practice players and who are the game players?
What are we talkin about here? Practice? We’re talkin about practice. Practice man, practice.
Ahhh, worth an early morning laugh… I’d like to see Frolov do this routine in Russian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
What if Ivanans, Greene and Scuderi happen to have great shootout practices ??? Does that mean they get to be the first three shooters ??? Come on already. I can see maybe against Atlanta or Florida, but our rival in their house!
It’s obvious that TM is trying to reward and bring this team together, but that is taking it a bit too far. We had 4 chances to end the game while Fro & Smitty where sitting. 2 point swing in the standings got away. I know it’s early in the season, but …………….
Cynic. Perfectly said.
TM hasn’t just coached for a long time, but he is an elder statesman in the NHL. He knows his S#%&*.
Of course we go back and fourth on the coach’s decisions, and thats the whole idea of this site…but lets focus on the hockey talk, and what we think of the team. NOT what we think of TM as an individual. Its honeslty irrelivant. And truthfully it is downright nieve to assume its appropriate to bash someone you probably never even met.
Well said Shakes.
With the exception of WWAMD, reading alot of the posts after the game, i don’t recall seeing the majority of the TM bashers posting after the past 4 wins….mind you it wouldn’t serve their purpose of TM bashing I guess would it?
Here here Cynic
How to solve the dreaded regular season tie…
I don’t think there’s much, if any debate that the NHL has it right when it comes to playoff hockey and overtime. Keep playing until there’s a winner. This is the formula for some truly epic games and playoff drama like no sport.
If it’s so great why not use it for the regular season too? After all Baseball does…
Well the trouble with this is that it’s not fair to the teams. If a team has a double, triple or more over time game, when they move on to their next scheduled game they’re at a physical disadvantage to the team who didn’t have to play that gruling OT game.
The NHL is now experimenting with the shootout and yea it’s kind of like having a freethrow contest to settle an NBA game but this format works OK for FIFA and it leads to plenty of drama in that setting.
I’m afraid that I don’t have any real answers, I don’t think there is a real answer. Between having the tie stand (kissing your sister), unlimited OT (killing yourself for a regular season game), or the shootout (freethrow contest) I’m gonna stick with the shootout as the lesser of the three evils.
Well said Cynic.
Bring on the Canucks!
bravo cynic
I agree that we shouldn’t bash TM personally–and I’m very happy with him actually–but I hope I’m not hearing that we can never disagree with some of his choices on this site. I don’t agree with every comment here, but I know I can’t control them, so I scroll on by.
That said, if people think the discussion is dwelling too much on the negative, please do raise positives — we can do something about it.
DLB
There’s nothing wrong with questioning coaches decisions, but in almost evey case, it reverts back to TM is a horrible coach and he cost us the victory…or even worse.
I’m sick and tired of hearing the same crap thrown around by the same people.
Imagine if we won the cup in 6 games, these same people would be blaming TM for not winning it in 5 or less.
You never hear them praise the guy for finding the right combination that he’s able to roll 4 lines effectively all game. It always reverts back to the same thing over and over and over again.
I respect the man’s hockey knowledge, honesty with the press/fans, and the job that’s done with our team..getting them to where they are now.
He was killed last year for sacrificing some offense so that we become a defensively responsible team..something necessary in order to win in this league.
This season the offense has been much improved,we’re on top, yet he’s still a horrible coach.
I just don’t get it.
Following up my first novel is some shoutouts for the game:
Alexander Frolov: You were an absolute HUNGRY BEAST last night! You wanted to score so bad I think you would have sacrificed your mother to score a gola last night. Thankfully you didn’t have to do that. You were tenacious in the O-zone and it was great to see you get rewarded with a goal. You deserved that one (and more) for sure. Keep playing like THAT each night and there is NO WAY we don’t resign you.
Anze Kopitar: You got punked last night. SJ was focused completely on you all night. How did it feel? Get used to it as EVERY team is going to make you their focus. The great thing I saw from you was your compete. You still had your chances and you were battling the extra attention. Some think your D- coverage was a little sloppy, and IMHO it was. Then again, you had a bulls-eye on your back last night. When you get your conditioning level past ‘Average’, this will be a non- issue. Good effort, way to fight it.
Ryan Smyth: I LOVE the way you are counseling Simmonds after each shift. He feeds off it and it’s making him a better player. I can’t stress enough how much I appreciate you waving your NTC to come here. It is a BIG piece to the puzzle of making the Kings a major contender on lots of levels.
Scott Parse: Dude, are you making the best of your opportunity or what! Don’t think I didn’t see the nifty puckhandle right in front of the SJ net in the 3rd. If you had scored there, you would have been the 2nd coming. My jaw hit the floor when you circled the puck around that guy and STILL had possession. It’s like you drank a whole bottle of FroJuice before that shift. Don’t want to forget all the little things you’re doing as well. Not panicing on breakout passes from the D-zone, containment coverages, driving past the blue line with authority, feet moving constantly. Nice work!
The 4th line: Wow. We have solid 4th line guys! Richie, you were great once again. Lots of speed, tenacity, causing turnovers, creating chances, solid effort. Harry Potter, you’re not Richie, but you’re keeping up and keeping it solid. Ivan, you almost scored AGAIN! What’s gotten into you man? You were hittin’ guys, stronger than your normal on the forecheck, NO PENALTIES and you’re taking shots from your knees! You even snubbed Shelley for a tussle because you were in the O-Zone and focused on your position. Are…are you becoming….a….FORWARD?!?! Great job Ivan.
The Shootout: Now this was frustrating. Handzeus first was a surprise which ended up being a pleasant one. (How smart am I?) I was not surprised to not see Fro out there because of his shootout record, but I was disappointed because he was playing with such tenacity and hunger that he would have WILLED that puck into the net. He was trying to put the game on his shoulders and should have had the chance in the shootout going deep. I would have LOVED to see Parse because as someone had mentioned, Nabby wouldn’t have the scounting report on him. Not to mention after watching Scott almost 360 that puck around the defender in front of the SJ net, you GOTTA put hands like that in the shootout at least once. I expected Smyth in the shootout just on his character and shootout record alone. I was baffled by the choices quite frankly and IIRC, it was Jamie Kompon handing the shootout list to the ref, not TM. Does JK determine the shootout roster? RICH – Maybe you could clarify who is in charge of the shootout roster and the reason for the choices/non-choices? That would be great to read.
Speaking of RICH HAMMOND: Dude, is it just me or did your tie have a few stains on it? (LOL) Seriously, you really fit in nicely with Bob and Jim between periods, except for the fact you severely dwarf them. You may have to start ‘Dorf’ing it by standing on your knees when you hang with them. I hope those appearances become a regular thing as it’s good stuff. Give me an address though and I’ll send you a Kings tie with no stains on it.
Overall: SOLID solid performance. We play like this every night, we will win 80% of our games this year hands down. We have depth, we have options, we have continuity, puck control, solid shutdown D, the team we have all been waiting for for years has finally arrived and it’s not even close to hitting stride yet. I feel like the reward for all the loyalty is coming. Right now, it’s good to be ‘da King.
Music I’m currently listening to: Benediction ‘Jumping at Shadows’ from the album ‘Dark is the Season’. Great UK thrash.
Here we go again with the attempts at suppression. Let’s become a lynch mob and start burning TM/DL haters! Classic. People haven’t changed since the dark ages.
What are you afraid of Cynic and nykingfan? That how people speak will “hurt” this website? How do you define hurt? Or “getting old?” Or, “too much?” It’s subjective. Yeah, some people may leave, some will come. So what? That will happen regardless. Get over it. DLB is exactly right.
What you have to remember is that you, me and every other person who is reading has a choice not to read certain commenters. What is so damn wrong with choosing to skip a comment? Why do you and others feel the need to shut people up because of your own, self-defined limitation or refusal to avoid what offends you?
It is truly absurd and quite frankly that kind of thinking is exactly why we have laws in this country protecting free speech. Of course, as this site is run by an ordinary citizen, he has the legal right censor as much as he’d like. But this doesn’t make it right by any means. It truly saddens me that Americans are so clueless about this.
Here’s how life is: for the most part, if you add up every single person you have ever come into contact with, about half will prefer you and the other half could do without you. Some might be more adamant than others. Some might be very outspoken. It all depends on the person.
That’s it. About 50/50. In sports, this idea is made abundantly clear. Refs, more than any other, must understand and accept it. They live it everyday with the volume up full. Imagine the refs saying you cannot go over a line and say certain things to them. They decide what is ok to say and what isn’t. How does that sound to you?
As a coach, you will be loved and hated. When you win, the haters are quiet, when you lose, the haters come out in force. That’s just the way it is. It doesn’t matter if you censor every (perceived) negative comment, nothing will change this fact.
Let’s allow people voice their opinion and you can voice yours to rebut it. If we are a strong, sensible community, we will survive. If we aren’t, we won’t. But try to remember this: Our collective voices of reason are vastly more thunderous than a few who attempt to upset the balance.
Looks like the Lombardi-Flyers connection continues. NHL Live just reported that the Kings have claimed D Randy Jones off waivers from Philadelphia. The Flyers will have to pay half Jones’ salary.
I know the subject individual would disagree with me on this point but there is a time for criticism and a time for positive acknowledgement. A critical diatribe may be acceptable every once in a while if you can also be positive. But we have all been keeping score and we are hearing the same regurgitated frustration from the same minority of posters. If you are never positive yet always critical and result to name calling, you are a troll. Trolls ruin it for the rest of us who want to engage in discussion about our favorite team. Trolls should just go away.
Look forget TM’s choices for the shootout, regardless it’s points in 5 straight games. That is the bottom line of the outcome of the game, yes they didn’t get the win, but i rather see a one point rather than none.
The team played as a whole for 65 mins. Yes the shooters choked but hey as i see it, WE ARE IN FIRST PLACE still.
Waves
Nobody cares about giving opinions, the “hate” is the problem.
It’s not about supression, its about the redundant statments made by the same people night after friggin night, game after friggin game and it’s usually done with personal attacks agains the man.
Free Speech is a right we all have…but go ahead and yell fire in a movie theater and see where that gets you. There are limits to what you can say…obviously in this case, thw above example is irrelevant.
I have no problem with a good healthy debate about the merits of the coach/team. I would just like to see people be a little more respectful…
I guess that’s just wishful thinking on my part.
Give opinions…the unfounded (and unsubstantiated) venom is just plain stupid, and makes myself not even want to come here.
nykingfan, I was stating that there are players that are great in practice, but play poorly in games and the other way around.
So NY, are you accusing those individuals of hate speech? That’s a serious charge. Perhaps there have been some libelous statements made, but I seriously doubt hate speech.
BUT, if so, then by all means that person’s statements should be removed. As you said, there are limits. Hate speech is one of them.
But your line is respect (or lack thereof). That is not a line, that is plain censorship.
Rich decides what the line is since this is his (or is it Anschutz’s?) website. Actually it probably is owned by AEG, which makes it their responsibility. But regardless, I have said and will continue to say (until specific terms of service are posted) that the “line” is and has been arbitrary. It’s not posted properly and therefore, not binding by users of this site.
For the record, I too wish people were more respectful. I’m not in love with the “trolls” as Joel put it, but unlike him, I defend their voice as I do my own.
As if we needed another player allbeit a defensemen on this team, Paul from Oxnard! If we did indeed pick him up on waivers, I hope he is only signed through this year!
I actually think Terry did a good job last night. Do I always like his choices? No, but you can’t argue with his results up to this point.
There are some small things I’d do differently, but you can’t deny he’s doing something right if the Kings are 8-4-1 in their first month of the season. Couple the results with the fact that the Kings have/had 3 sets of back-to-back games this month, and you could almost argue he’s been coach of the year up until this point.
mrbrett7, then don’t.
Getting back on topic…
Hopefully we can get points in 6 straight tonight. We have to be on our toes to beat Luongo. Hopefully Quick will not tire from playing in nearly every game this season. I am concerned that TM will ride him like Joe Torre rides relievers… to the ground. Quick is on pace for 75 starts this year, only Luongo and Brodeur have that kind of stamina.
Too much TM bashing, folks. This team appears to be WAY better than last year. Doesn’t he get any credit for that???
Waves-
Eloquently put, and while I do not disagree with all your views, I can see you absolutely took offense to something that was not meant to be offensive, unless it speaks to you.
Now unless your an anarchist, which is possible, there is no such thing as truly ‘Free speech’ as that would have the absence of consequence. Since people don’t always agree, consequence will always exist, therefore ‘free speech’ has value to anyone who reads it. Ex: can you walk into a theater and yell ‘Fire’ when there is not one? Sure. You’ll be arrested, but sure. Go for it. There are consequences to irresponsible actions.
That being said, I don’t have any type of power to tell anyone what to do. My post was simply a group of observations, my disgust with some of them, the potential fallout from the conduct, and my REQUEST for people to be a little more responsible.
Now Waves, I like your posts and you carry yourself well. Others here do not. It’s very easy to ignore the posters I don’t like (Which are few), but when I see hypocrisy I’m gonna frikkin call it out whether your anarchist a$$ likes it our not. (LOL) When I see a poster publicly berating and personally attacking ANYONE on a consistent and repeditive basis and then posts the words “NO PERSONAL ATTACKS PLEASE”, I’m gonna call that MFer out and use MY speech to voice my opinion. The consequences in this case I can fully deal with. That poster’s consequences, well, who knows, but if this site is affected, there will be some.
If someone was attacking you here like they are TM, I would post the EXACT same thing, except you’re not a NHL coach and all that.
Look, I am ALL for the ability to voice your full opinion. There is a difference between that and posting garbage rants and attacks for attention. I’m politely ASKING not TELLING people to steer away from the garbage. I don’t control a damn thing. But I do know how to voice my opinion and according to your post, I’m allowed to do that, right? Just remember, lynch mobs are a CONSEQUENCE born from ‘FREE SPEECH’ based on OPINIONS. They usually don’t start with Jeb and Billy Bob drinkin’ whiskey sayin ‘Hey now, let’s grab them pitchforks ‘n torches ‘n kill sumtin’. Someone believes in something, they announce it, someone else doesn’t agree, they get friends, they get mad, BOOM (Tough Actin’ Tinactin) Lynch Mob.
Disagree all you want with TM or anyone else. Just treat them with the respect you would want and don’t be an f-n hypocrite like that poster (who I am intentionally not naming so they won’t think it’s a personal attack)
Any news on Randy Jones yet?
Sorry, wavesinair, it’s called “civility”, and until someone specifically does you wrong, everyone deserves it.
The wholesale slagging of a person and their professional conduct, by someone who is not a peer and has little real knowledge of said person’s profession, is irrational and immature.
Let me put it this way . . . would you allow your child to bully and insult another child? Do you not at some point in their development teach them what civility is and how important it is when dealing with others?
Most of the time, wavesinair, I enjoy reading your posts, but this time, I’m in strong disagreement with the flavour of your last post.
Rick, he gets zero credit. Haven’t you been reading? He’s 100% responsible when we lose, and apparently when we win, the team coaches itself.
The Randy Jones, 7th Defenseman period begins. Not a bad move at all by Lombardi. He’s not gonna be a regular defenseman, but he’s an NHL ready able body (if the hip “checks” out. — he had some off season surgery, but he’s been skating with the Flyers AHL affiliate in Glens Falls (Adirondack.)
So, on the off night Odie needs a rest, or if Drewiske hits a wall, Jones will fill in. It’s better than Harrold, and it allows the Kings to get Martinez back to Manchester where he belongs.
This will force the Monarchs to move either Campbell (-2 on a team that has only given up 12 goals in 9 games) or Kolomatis (+5, but behind Campbell in terms of AHL games played) down to Ontario.
All in all, a depth move that doesn’t need to be overly scrutinized by people who think they have to analyze every move the Kings make
Classic sh** Cynic
Well said and I’m laughing hysterically!
oldthunder
Luongo is out with a busted rib, so we’ll test out Andersson (sp?).
Paul- Dang man, Just saw that. Why do we want Randy Jones? Isn’t that 1.5 mil on our books for a defenseman we don’t need?
Reading between the lines here, I can only assume the following:
Martinez is back in Manch for a while.
O’d is becoming expendable?!?!
Jones is a 7th Dman? For 1.5 mil?
Can you pick up a player on waivers for 1/2 the salary and then package them in a trade for that same 1/2 salary? (QUISP, HELP!)
Our d is pretty solid. Who sits to make room for Jones, Harrold? Lewis? You’re not sittin a D- guy are you:
Doughty, JJ, O’D, Scuderi, Greene, Drewiskie. Who do you sit?!?!
(Confused smiley here)
Waves
This is a Kings blog for Kings fans. If a guy like mrbrett7 is geting turned off and ready to leave, that would be a complete shame and just the beginning of the end of this blog. Obviously one person leaving the blog is inconsequential, but after a while the rest of us “civil” fans will tire of the hatred being thrown around and will also leave. that’s going to leave just a few people who can continue to rant against the man personally, all to themselves.
is that a better option?
Opinions are fine…be fare and respectful..if not, please leave the blog…there, I said it.
I thought Frolov would have gotten a chance in the shootout…yeah, they looked nervous, first one i guess, get that over with and do better on the next one! Good game though…I’m going to be in Ann Arbor MI next week for work and going to watch the Wings/Sharks at the Joe!
NY- I was laughing because as I was writing that Theater-Fire line, I had not seen your post yet. I’m like ‘Damn – same ‘waves’length’. LOL
Buster – The Nucks have Raycroft, no? All the Canuck fans are freakin’ out on every board I visit because he’s supposedly going to start against us tonight. I hope so. I’d play Kopi 60 minutes and let him score 20 goals.
Marc Nathan – So you’re thinking Jones will sit and Harrold as the utility guy becomes a quazi 8th defenseman incase we have 2 D-men out? Didn’t think about the prospect fallout. We will have to move someone. Wonder who’s coming to Ontario.
i think we’re facing raycroft tonight. tsn put him at a lifetime 4.93 gaa vs the kings, and he hasn’t faced a smokin kopitar yet!!!!!! tonight should be good.
I haven’t had the time to read all of the comments but to Shakes, NYKIngsfan and Ersberg I totally back your comments. Gary Bettman can say what he likes about the shootout… but it IS a travesty.
As far as the Kings go relative to shootouts, because of the way they’re built they really are shorter on ‘pure skills players’ in the sense that they don’t have either snipers or that many guys who can put all the moves on a goalie. So I’m pleasantly surprised when they win one, but I think it’s largely a result of the ‘types’ of players that DL wants on the team.
I Totally agree that TM should not be blamed. It’s very unfair for a guy who I think has done a pretty reasonable job with this team to say the least.
Give him Ovechkin, Alexander Semin and Nicklas Backstrom and see how he does in a shootout situation.
Holy crap! I forgot about Raycroft.
I think we know who Ivanans is going to score against.
Cynic & Co.,
Just yesterday NYKing and others justified their attacks on players yet I was the only one to respond. When Jason Labarbara got scapegoated last season and bashed mercilessly.
Freedom is a 2 way street. If you want to be able to post your opinions, you must respect others’ right to post.
I’m, frankly, tired of seeing grown people gang-up on those they don’t like in an effort to get them banned — as I was on the old site.
The fact is, you’re breaking the rules by attacking other commentors. The team and organization are fair game as long as it’s not “serial” in nature.
Overall, I wouldn’t say I’m happy that the Kings earned one point instead of two, but I am happy with the way they played last night. It was a solid effort from goaltending, defense, and offense, and this team now has the look of a team that believes it belongs on the same ice as the best teams in the league. To stay with the Sharks in their own rink is a great feat.
However, I don’t think it’s unfair to criticize Terry Murray’s shootout choices. I think it was a mistake to not use Alexander Frolov, especially coming off the stretch of games he’s played in the last week, and given that he probably had the strongest game of any forward on the team last night. He had the hot hand, and he should have gone third or fourth.
I don’t see why people get so affected by what others say. If you like it, keep it; if you don’t, discard it and move on.
None of you are speech police. Get over it.
EJ, Cynic,
I think we’re pretty much in agreement. Consequences are crucial. Completely agree. We should encourage civility by all means. We should speak out for it and teach others about it by all means. Absolutely.
It’s the of those disagreeing with us that I oppose.
Cynic, you said: “Because (TM) is a public figure and a professional NHL head coach doesn’t give anyone the right to publicly berate and (attempt to) humiliate him.”
Well, actually yes, they DO in fact have that right. That’s the point I’m trying to make! They have a right to voice an opinion. And we have the right to counter it just the same.
There are laws against libel and slander and hate speech and yelling fire in a theater. If you cross that line there are consequences. That person should be punished accordingly by all means necessary.
As for this cynic: “Just remember, lynch mobs are a CONSEQUENCE born from ‘FREE SPEECH’ based on OPINIONS.”
This is just flat out wrong and is a very sensitive topic. I’m sorry I used the term flippantly as it’s not a flippant phrase.
Christobal, I don’t think it’s ganging up on an individual for their view’s, it’s the disgust of having to read the same spew over and over again. We get it already!
One poster gave 16 (yes 16!) comments on one thread! The same thing over and over. Talk about a one man heist of a thread. Go check the “Final 2-1″ thread. That type of hijacking turns most readers off.
This is a great site, I will never stop reading it, but I will stop reading these negative one-theme posters.
I only left the other site because I kept forgetting my password and decided on using the moniker of my favorite crash test dummy.
Ooops! 2nd Line: It’s the PREVENTION of those disagreeing with us that I oppose.
Buster, you’re alive!!!
Cynic, great posts! I’ll put an advance on the next ‘novel.’
As for the criticism. Criticism by its very nature is of course negative, and comes in many forms. But criticism for an individual stemming from a personal dislike or hatred serves no real purpose, particularly when it is based on circumstantial evidence. The constant haranguing of certain individuals by certain posters becomes tired and unpleasant especially when these same posters offer nothing else.
Everyone of us has strengths and weaknesses and as long as we can point out a person’s weaknesses or faults (as well as our own), let’s offer suggestions to help them overcome these and also point out their strengths and abilities, whether they be player, coach or GM.
I don’t think anyone here is trying to suppress anyone’s opinions, but rather trying to encourage a more constructive form of debate.
Cynic….dude you are on FIRE!
Keep beating these bastards up who feel the need to question every move TM makes.
Be aware, people on this board have reported to FOX news that you’re not being fair and balanced….Keep it up!
Reno –
Sharks have played fewer games. = higher win%
waves et al re “free speech”
waves, you said this: “It is truly absurd and quite frankly that kind of thinking is exactly why we have laws in this country protecting free speech. Of course, as this site is run by an ordinary citizen, he has the legal right censor as much as he’d like. But this doesn’t make it right by any means. It truly saddens me that Americans are so clueless about this.
Obviously, you know what I am about to say since you allude to it in the Pp above. The First Amendment protects the free speech of the people from censorship by the government. There is no law to protect a person’s freedom of speech in any other setting. I would like to make two points about “free speech” in the context of a message board or blog. The first is, as you point out, the owner or administrator of the website has the right to do whatever he/she pleases. And, in response, the visitors have a right to react by leaving or continuing to participate.
My second point is this: undoubtedly, we have all noticed the fact that people who would never shout obscenities at a person nevertheless feel completely free to do so, or flip them off, or honk like maniacs, or even drive aggressively, when in the protected cocoon of a car. The car grants anonymity and the anonymity allows people to cast normal polite, courteous, decent behavior to the wind. The internet does the same thing. People feel completely free to let loose on their “neighbors” because they’re hidden from view.
If you had a party at your house, and certain people came and acted like assholes, shouting at each other, smashing the place up, and ruining the party for everyone, you would not be surprised if the other guests asked the dickheads to leave. And they don’t have to be dickheads. They might just be too loud. Or uncivil. It’s not a matter of disagreeing. People like to debate sex and politics and sports at a party. That’s what makes a good party. But degrading and otherwise distracting and upsetting behavior is likely to lead to (1) the expulsion of the troublemakers, and/or (2) bystanders not wanting to go to this person’s parties anymore, and/or (3) the host not wanting to host any more parties.
This is a party. A gathering. A meeting. Whatever you want to call it. We have a host. We have frequent return party guests. We have first time guests. People like it here and want to come back. And they/we have a certain vested interest in keeping the party lively but civil. The people who say “chill out” or “stop with this or that” are as entitled to say that as the guest at the party who tells the obnoxious bore to tone it down with the [wingnut/religious/PETA/racist/recycling/pro-life/pro-choice/proantideathpenalty/etc.] diatribe. “Then don’t come here” is, in this light, not exactly a fair response.
It’s not even a matter of repressing certain ideas or points of view. It’s a matter of repressing certain behavior. It’s the difference between saying, “I think (for example) Terry Murray is not a good coach because of x, y, z” and saying “Terry Murray is a mindless idiot who couldn’t coach his way out of a paper bag and I wish he would die in a fire.” Actually, that’s not so bad. I kind of like it. But there is a certain flavor of temper tantrum that shows up here and is obviously just this poster or that one venting their hostility all over everyone else, and of course it does nothing but annoy everyone. And I think we have an interest in keeping it civil because otherwise there is the threat of this virtual place becoming the party of dickheads that no one wants to go to anyone. Or worse, a party that the host decides not to throw.
Every once in a while, you hear someone defend themselves by saying, “when [Murray/Lombardi/Gauthier/etc.] screws up, I tell them about it. I give them a piece of my mind” or words to that effect. But Murray/Lombardi/etc aren’t here. They’re not reading these comments. Anyone who thinks they are is kidding themselves. They’re not listening. Who’s listening? The rest of us. The other people who come here to talk about the Kings.
I think it’s a good rule of thumb to act on a message board as though you were actually in a room with the people you are addressing. Most of the bad behavior would disappear. And you would see some serious self-policing of the behavior that persists.
(having said all this, one feature of the great party is the cranky guest who is a fixture at the host’s parties who everyone enjoys listening to even though his ranting is largely ignored. but in order to rise to this level, you have to work at it for years, pay your dues, build a following, like Sam Kinison — or else get mentioned on Battle of California, something like that)
I was at the game last night and I wouldn’t call it a solid effort after the first period…we lost a strong majority of battles in the corner and played horribly away from the puck, if not for SJ playing equally as bad with the puck, we could have gotten killed on several occasions…SJ skated harder and was more hungry then us…I must say our Defense did a great job of blocking shots, if you could have heard the San Jose fans frustrations that they couldn’t get a shot through…keep in mind this team was without Setaguchi, Pavelski, and Mitchell, they’ll be must harder to beat when they’re back.
The shootout was so disappointing to watch, I agree that Stoll would not have been my first pick in that spot, but honestly, we should have never gone to round 6, Nabby was tested on one shot and Quick was facing players that were taking advantage of their chances, whereas, our players looked like they just wanted the game to be over and put a lackluster effort
In the end, very disappointing, we are the better team right now and easily could have walked away with 2 points in regulation against these guys…so let’s hope they take it out on Raycroft tonight.
Can’t find a story on us taking Randy Jones, but if they did, maybe more veteran presense? Who knows?
On another note TSN.ca is reporting Malkin out with a sore shoulder for 2 to 3 weeks, which sucks, I was hoping for revenge after that cheap shot on Simmonds last year…we’ll have to go after Crosby instead.
That’s the exact problem Cristobal…these attacks have been serial in nature and those making those attacks know exactly what I’m talking about.
I have no problem if you don’t like a coach, or a player, or a GM…but please, back it up with actual fact, not just opinion. Nothing drives me nuts more.
Frolov wasn’t in the shootout because historically, he is one of the worst in the NHL not only in the shootout, but on breakaways in general. Same goes for Ryan Smyth…these guys are not made to be one on one with a goaltender. They are made to bang in rebounds and play around the net.
Ersberg, I to agree with you regarding the shootout. I hated it from the minute they brought it in, and I still do. Not because it hurts the Kings, but because I play, and deciding 65 minutes of a battle in a one on one pre-determined play that is just a crap shoot counteracts everything that makes sports great.
Well said Quisp
Speaking of Novels….guys can you please keep your posts a little shorter. I can’t get any work done if I have to read these War and Piece posts.
If I wanted to read comments from ignorant hockey fans, I would go to the Ducks blog.
Come on people…get it back on hockey! I don’t need a Bill of Rights lesson from this site.
Quisp – the Kings and Sharks have identical records. I believe, the tie-breaker is the goal differential ( goals for vs goals against)
http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm#?navid=nav-stn-main
I for one was pleased with what I saw last night. Quick just happened to stop one less shootout shot than Nabokov. The defense was tremendous (with perhaps the exception of the 2nd quarter) and the Kings had quality chances on net. The quality of play in wins and losses tell the story about whether this team is moving in the right direction.
With the way the Sharks played last night, I don’t believe the Kings would have made it out of regulation last year. I definitely see improvement. If the Kings duplicate the same effort tonight, I have no doubt they will beat the Canucks. 3 out of 4 points in a back to back effort against the Sharks and Canucks would be a tremendous result in my opinion.
Now concerning the shootouts, I’m hoping that there is improvement in this area as well because we only have one game to sample from. But there definitely needs to be improvement on that end. I’m sure Brown and Kopi would like to have those shots back.
Buster- OK, the Ivanans comment just caught me off guard. Laughed so hard I almost threw up.
Dman & BM, thanks for that. Really though, Dman’s quote says it succinctly ‘I don’t think anyone here is trying to suppress anyone’s opinions, but rather trying to encourage a more constructive form of debate.’ I KNOW that’s how I feel.
Quisp took all the breakdowns and broke them down even further. It’s what I would expect from a solid stats guy. Great takes.
Did I mention how great this thread is? I mean you have awesome, respectful, funny dialogue with breaking news and killer commentary and insight regarding it, all in one long winded thread. It’s like eating an In-n-Out double double with Tommy’s chili (Which I’ve done and it RULES! You can see the pics here: http://s360.photobucket.com/albums/oo44/paincorp1/InnoutTommys/ )
There. now the circle is complete. Can’t have a great thread without In-n-Out and Tommy’s.
Nobody has ever said not to have freedom of speech. Just stop all the negativity and childish BS. If you don’t like what TM/DL are doing go to another website and bitch. Also I don’t think it’s so much singaling out one or two people. Just don’t become abusive or disrespectful. What Rich and The Kings are giving us is a place to speek freely, but it also can be taken away. Nobody has said anyone can’t agree or disagree, but why not enjoy what is really going on here with The Kings, it’s been along time since we’ve had that.
I am totally wrong. I thought SJS had played fewer games, but as you point out, they have identical records. Tie breaker in this case goes to the Kings, since they have earned more points (3) against the Sharks than the Sharks have (2) against the Kings.
re shoot out:
I find it really hard to fault anyone for a shoot-out loss. It’s a crap shoot. Other than being totally stupid and sending in Ivanans followed by [okay, I can't really come up with three really dimwitted choices], I can see reasons for picking anyone on the team. It’s easy to say Kopitar, Brown, Simmonds, or whatever. But come on, it’s a shoot-out. Anything can happen.
(I would have thrown Parse in there. But I can’t argue with Stoll. He’s got a super hard shot and quick release.)
Even though I could live without the shootout and preferred the world without it, wouldn’t it be kind of lame to get rid of it now?
I would rather go back to 5-minute OT with 1 point for a tie and 0 for a loss including an OT loss.
But here’s my favorite radical idea for how to resolve tie games:
http://wp.me/ptucv-FO
The TM bashing really shows what east coast fans say about LA fans, your hockey illiterate! We finally have something to be positive about and some of you can’t just be happy. If you don’t like TM, I bet you bashed Crawford, Andy Murray, Larry Robinson, etc. Just go be a ducks fan, blow your duck calls, and take your negative rants with you. If the team slides, and the coach is to blame, bring it. But not when the kings are one of the best playing teams in the entire NHL! Aaaaahhhhhhhh! So old! And yes, you can have your opinions! Just bring some new material and save for when the teams plays bad for at least a whole week, god forbid. Stay strong, it’s a long season.
Let me help Q-
Ivanans, O’Donnell, Greene.
That’s comedy GOLD right there.
nykingfan -
“Imagine if we won the cup in 6 games, these same people would be blaming TM for not winning it in 5 or less.”
I *could* see that happening, and I would giggle. But I hear you, multiple posts reiterating the same thing over and over get tedious. Yet–and this is just my opinion–the posts that are about scolding other posters or how the comments suck here have the potential to get old too, and I don’t think they’re likely to work. I mean, just look at this thread (and I include my own posts, of course) — we aren’t talking about hockey. Well. I don’t have the power to ban people, and I’m not sure I would trust myself to be the final arbiter of annoying anyhow, so I do what I can do. Let’s talk more about the game!
I thought Quick’s play was impressive….anyone else?
Just a quick response to Cristobal
“Just yesterday NYKing and others justified their attacks on players yet I was the only one to respond. When Jason Labarbara got scapegoated last season and bashed mercilessly.”
Try reading my comments again…you might get it right. I never attack a player or a coach personally. I can criticize a lack of effort or concentration or letting in poor goals, I don’t attack any player or anyone personally. If you’re going to “out” me for “attacking” people, make sure you get your facts straight first. Thank you
I submit to all of you that this thread (and subsequent discourse) is, in fact, going a long way towards creating the very atmosphere that Quisp (and others) have so effectively described they want.
But we are doing it OPENLY through discussion. It’s a beautiful thing, isn’t it?
I view this site much more like the Senate or House of Reps. than I do a party at my home. A party is defined as festive. This site is clearly a forum of debate. And while it can be festive at times, it is hardly designed as such.
The danger Quisp, is to approach the desired result with a heavy hand, i.e. police “bad behavior.” Would you have us approach regulating the Internet as China does? It is this sort of thinking by a country comprised of 1 billion people, ruled by a small minority, that is so alarming to me… but I massively digress.
The point is Quisp, according to your own description of bad behavior, your post should be censored and/or you banned from this site. You used 2 curse words, the use of which has been forbidden here.
Of course, I highly doubt that will happen, but this fact goes to my overall point as to where we draw the line as a community. If there was even an ounce of seriousness in protecting what we have here, we would have clear terms of service posted and volunteers enlisted as moderators. Its how other sites operate and it works quite well. The problem is the “rules” here are absolutely arbitrary. And until this change takes place, chaos will periodically take place.
I don’t think there’s really much of a debate here and in fact would say there’s mostly concensus, but I also find it oddly interesting that those few posters who triggered this very debate are nowhere to be found.
Dman…that’s because they have nothing to add to the debate.
mrbrett7,
Right, so anyone think our debate served a purpose other than venting at the ventors?
At the very least, they’re most likely reading it and it’s a step in the right direction. The problem can’t be solved in one thread, or can it? Hmmm…
I love how troll wars always end up being about “Free Speech.” Guys/Gals, this is not a Free Speech Zone. It’s a private site, owned by the KINGS.
You mean we have to talk about *gulp* hockey?
Waves
We’ve had problems on this blog with certain people since I’ve been on here. Those people know who they are and need not be mentioned by name.
It seems to me that the problems usually start when things get personal..whether they’re personal against team personnel or other posters. I have had my issues with a certain poster on here and regret when i went off like a lunatic against that person last year. I went off not because we disagreed on the Kings and how they’re run, but because he got personal with me about a subject that had nothing to do with hockey. There’s no need for that. My post was rightfully pulled by Rich from the blog and a stern warning followed. All good as far as I’m concerened.
If I disagree with someone, I usually ask them to back up their points with some facts. It’s so easy and ridiculous to just bash the coach…all I ever ask for is state your point, back it up with facts and move on to the next point.
How much of a constructive debate can you have when people come on after every single loss and blame it on the coach?
Censorship is not the issue here. I have let go a couple of bad words in describing the Kings play. I don’t have a fear of retribution from Rich because my anger is aimed at the performance, not the individual or a poster on the blog.
If someone calls the Kings performance on opening night a horseshit performance, nodody’s getting offended. If you say nykingfan you’re an asshole, that should be censored. If you can’t say something to my face, it shouldn’t be said here either.
Waves -
China is a country. Governments suppressing free speech is not the same thing as a group of people deciding what is tolerable within the context of a conversation.
Re “curse” words –
I suppose that would be true if the site were policed by software or a robot or some similar creature. Anyway, it comes down to a proof-reading error. The non-profane correct spelling is of course a**holes and d***heads.
It’s kind of silly to suggest that any kind of criticism of another poster’s writing (a la “enough already” or “please stop x”) is somehow a slippery slope to totalitarianism. It’s not.
And even if it were, it would of course be legitimate under your free speech non-oppression model for people to voice their desire that certain annoying others would please STFU.
I, meanwhile, have never once told anyone to go away or stop posting or in any other way repress or suppress a fellow commenter’s inalienable right to make an ass out of him/herself and waste my time.
There’s no getting around it: any group sets its own self-contained standards for behavior, whether it’s done explicitly or implicitly. Even if there weren’t a host overseeing things, the group operates under a code of behavior. If this site were, for example, populated by nobody except for ranting ventaholics, then that’s all you would find here. Everyone knows that beyond a certain point, either the valued guests or the host himself will just not bother anymore, just as many old visitors got tired of the vitriol and left for calmer, saner pastures.
Quisp and NYKingfan will never get it.
How many rules have you just broken?
Who made you the thought-police?
This entire thread is a “serial” diatribe aimed at ridding the blog of those you find annoying (or your support of those (jet) who endeavor to get people banned). But, I’m sure you’ll never understand and simply reply with more of the same.
You’re right DLB
I’d rather just talk about hockey and how great the Kings have looked so far this year.
Sorry DLB one last shot
Quisp..we should feel fortunate that someone on here doesn’t think we get it. I think that means we do get it!
cristobal…those we find annoying should be banned?
I don’t recall ever saying you should be banned.
Go Kings tonight against Vancouver.
Let’s hope they have the legs going tonight. I thought they looked a little tired late in the 3rd period against SJ…It might have been because the Sharks were swarming. Quick came up big for us late in the 3rd. Also great D play by all 6 D’men.
Cristobal-
Wrap your eyes and brain around this statement:
“We are NOT looking to ban or shut down ANY poster or their diatribe. We are simply ASKING not DEMANDING for generally respectful dialogue”
Spin that….
Tables turned. Let’s see if YOU get it.
I think Kopi lights it up tonight. I hope Fro isn’t tired from his effort last night.
Yes, China/country, me/reaching. That comment just goes to my overarching, big picture principle that I, perhaps, sometimes oversell. It’s an attempt to engage and provoke thought about very serious issues we are presented with in this ever-changing, technological world we live in. In some small way, I’m hoping to affect just a tiny-weenie bit of change.
But yes, “It’s kind of silly to suggest that any kind of criticism of another poster’s writing is somehow a slippery slope to totalitarianism.” Completely agree. I didn’t mean to make that leap. In fact, saying “enough already” is anyone’s right to say in my book
Which brings me to my largely ignored beef: code of behavior, as you put it. Where is it? Where’s the code? There isn’t one. It’s not here. If we had one, we could abide by it. But without it, judgments will continue to be made arbitrarily, which to me is totally unacceptable. We’re on the Bounty and I am Fletcher (well, in my dreams).
BTW, nice Sam Kinison reference. Man he was great. If he was on this site, he’d have a total of 1 comment (removed) then banned for life. LOL! AAAAHHHHHH!
What’s hockey? And who is this person you call Kopitar?
For those worried about what people are saying about others–don’t bother. “Free Speech” is only free on your property or public property. Whoever is in charge of this (BBS) property gets to make that decision, not you. Basically, though, censorship is a Pandora’s box that should be avoided when unnecessary. It appears that Rich is being flexible in this regard, and that means there’s a lot of room for some to stick their feet in their mouths. It would be good to recognize that fact and tone it down.
wow, some people are way too sensative. must be that time of the month
Waves
I would think the code of conduct is more in line with the Supreme Court Justice Potter who was talking about pornography.
“I’ll know it when I see it”
Cynic.
You don’t even understand what you are participating in, brother.
You are talking to someone who (maybe the only one) WAS banned from the other site.
And it wasn’t because I did anything that I haven’t seen on this very thread.
So I’ll wrap my mind around what I’ve already experienced because I’ve been there and I know the double standard well. I don’t even disagree with it. I’m sure Rich gets tired of getting emails complaining about comments that a bunch of people don’t like. Whatever.
But, this entire thread has turned into a epic about how comments by others effect the blog. That in itself is supposedly against the rules. So, until you can step outside of yourself and walk a mile in another’s moccasins, don’t think you know everything and are going to “reveal” things to me.
Just for a second consider how Anthony is treated by so many participants here. Do you not understand that certain opinions, and words, are allowed for some but not for others?
And people wonder why commenters might change their screen-name…it’s because you’re not allowed to fight back, at all. The majority opinion gets free-reign and the “Cassandra” gets martyrdom. –just a little “Illiad” reference, there…
Cris- Keep your Illiad references. First off, I started this dialogue on this thread here, so I know exactly what I meant when I started it. In spite of your beliefs about the thought police, people on BOTH sides of this discussion have managed to do one helluva fine job self-managing the civility of the dialogue.
Usually, when someone is lashing out because of a supposed ‘Miscarriage of justice’, ex: you being banned, it’s usually because they’ve never put humility into the equation and looked at what it was they did to get banned in the first place. It’s always ‘everyone else’s fault’ their idealisms are not understood. I’m not going to speak for you, but the impression you’re giving is speaking volumes.
If my simple, straightforward statement was too much for you, I’m sorry. Next time I’ll write a 1000 word essay that says the same thing. I just don’t think it reasonable to label people’s viewpoints when those people SPECIFICALLY took that label off in their own words. Like your words are more right and important than their own when describing their personal feelings? Sounds a little more Big Brother to me than anything Quisp, NYKing or myself had said.
In other words: If I say I don’t want to ban or shut down anyone, I just want them to respect others as they would want respect given to them, I probably mean just that. Hard to place an agenda over that and for jiminy sakes, this is a BLOG, not the government.
Lighten up Frances.
Cynic
Quisp will provide the 10,000 word essays around here.
Feel like I’m lashing out at you and lacking humility??? Now you know what it’s like to be “cristobal” just a little bit, except your comments weren’t deleted.
I can guarantee you, there was a time when if I had written what you wrote above, it would have been deleted.
Anyway, like I said earlier, until you’ve been on the other side, you shouldn’t assume to know what it looks like from there.
And, you just dismiss the reasonable question I make about double standards.
Too much reality, I guess.
But, this has all grown tiresome anyway.
Cheers
LOL nykingsfan! Oh, the education in this country kills me.
Ironically, Justice Stewart later changed his mind and accepted that his prior view was “simply untenable.”
I rest my case.
-Justice waves
Cris-
Wow. Just Wow. You really don’t get it. You post with intelligent dialogue, but you really don’t get it. Wow.
OK, No I don’t feel like anyone here is lashing out at me.
No, I can’t believe that what I wrote above you would be deleted if you had written it. There’s really no venom in it, just observations put in a respectful manor (Less the always humorous ‘Lighten Up Frances’ Stripes movie reference.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM
What makes you think that ANY of us here have never been on the wrong end of anything? Self-Martyrdom is ugly dude. You type like you’re better than that.
Pick up ya game, son.
This is why Canadians laugh at American hockey fans….just sayin’
Cynic,
You’re obviously intelligent, so I assume that when you say “lighten up frances” or “pick up ya game, son” you know what it is you are doing (i.e. using loaded words and phrases). I do, and have done it. But, the fact that I would, and have, been deleted for saying less has not sunk in with you. So, again, I say don’t presume to know what it’s like to be on one side of the grass when you’re not.
I mentioned nothing about self-martyrdom, if there is such a thing.
I’ll just ask again, if you’ve ever witnessed the foul language and vitriol directed against Anthony, and if you can recognize that it is against the rules. Some are deleted for trifles, while others curse, and go on and on about others’ comments. There is no “fairness” in it, but that’s the way it is. All I’m asking you to do is to recognize this (by stepping back and thinking about it a bit) and REFRAIN FROM ASKING OTHERS TO MODERATE OR CHANGE THEIR COMMENTING.
Let Rich delete what he wants and stop complaining about others. Or worse, get people involved in these silly conversations (like this one) and try to subtly insult them (like you are above). Because I’ll tell you that Rich Hammond probably doesn’t want it going on. That’s why he has at times threatened to shut down commenting all together.
Again. Read or don’t read the comments of others, but don’t feel the need to tell them how to comment. OK?
BTW – I’ve seen Stripes, and while it’s not the Illiad, I get the reference.
One BIG difference with Anthony
Anthony usually is one of the first posters and puts up some loony post that I’m still convinced is BS. If I’m right about that, it gets the blood boiling of Kings fans so it serves its purpose of starting a lively debate.
I’m a huge fan of Anthony on this blog (crazy as that may sound)because he gets people going and is smart enough to stay outside the fray. I enjoy disagreeing with him and letting him know that.
I think he enjoys the abuse and probably sits at his computer all day laughing hysterically over the responses to his post.
It’s simple. Anthony drops a pile of pooh then steps back, sits down, pops a cold one anticipating the fireworks and chuckles at the ensuing madness, relishing in his genius for engineering chaos.
Wonder what would happen if people sidestepped the pooh?
Cristobal, a few things:
1) shorter me: I’m not suggesting anyone should be banned; I’m just saying people should be civil, or it’s no fun.
2) Iliad has only one l.
3) The problem with your Cassandra reference is that she was right. It’s obviously self-serving and insulting to the rest of us to cast yourself as the prophet whom no-one heeded and everyone else as the idiot masses. Also, if I’m not mistaken, Cassandra had supernatural or else divine powers of perception. So, you know, ibid.
4) http://tiny.cc/wD7mF
NYKF- I would have not picked ‘zus and that was a BRILLIANT MOVE! BUT we-the kings/tm/staff had a chance to put it away in round two. Wasted it with JMFJ (who has not recently lived up to the middle initials) whom would have been a pick but not for that slot. We had our chances in the SO and I think tm/staff used the wrong personnell and deserved to be criticized. Believe it or not, he is not a sacred cow that can only be critiqued by a mere self appointed few on this site.
On a different thread I stated I would have picked Parse (the first to post stating so) and Smyth and left simmonds on the bench. Although he (WS) actually won one last year but as a result of a flub that barely crossed the line-there is a good reason why he has only been picked three times. Frolov would have been on my list as the Russia v Russia angle(please don’t blast me if they come from semi-newly independent satellite countries) as he is HOT and you never know when he is due for one and Smyth could be due as well so I am disappointed we let one (victory)/two points get away.
The team played great and TM has done a great job getting this team to perform no doubt about it. He is not above reproach.
I get (hardly) that since I/or anyone that criticizes tm or dl or mostly disagrees with you and/or your motely crue that I/we are haters per your earlier post: “the guy you and every other TM hater would have never used.” (So you would have used him?) You don’t know how I feel or think so get that chip off your shoulder. Oooh I forgot you played hockey so …
I like tm and respect for the most part what he has brought to the organization. I will admit that I am concerned about the Frolov issue and how they/will handle it keeps me on the fence about him and dl until it is resolved. Concerned about letting our best player go for peanuts or packaging him for another “has been” gamble. I hope the three can live in harmony this season and many future successful playoff bound seasons. We will have to wait and see.
I am fatigued being patient on the promising seasons and hopefully many on this site are too.
I want blood when its there for the taking.
It’s great to debate and disagree but not everyone has the same opinion on all issues- there is no reason for the so called regulars that disagree with a non card carrying flock member to fleece him using degrading comments because he/she thinks that Fro is a stud, or can state legitimate reasons in their minds why tm and dl and foxy can be boneheads at times. Hell, we are all human last time I looked.
I generally enjoy a lot of posts from others I don’t agree with at all times like quisp’s take on Matt Moulson or does he still want Fro on the third line? Probably and I will never agree with him on that one. Della’s comical links! LOL
BTW-Della that was great insight on the game last nite you lucky dawg!
Do your homework before you label me or anyone a hater because they have a different take than you.
Sorry, I keep forgetting, you played hockey …so…
Please accept my humblest apology if I offended anyone this am, now or in the past/future. I am a passionate KINGS fan and former season ticket owner living in the Big Sleazy.
GEAUX KINGS!!!! GEAUX FRO!!! GEAUX QUICK!!!! GEAUX SMYTH!!! GEAUX YOUNG GUNS!!!!