-After the win over Colorado last month, Darryl Sutter offered a relevant quote that pertains to last night’s loss to Dallas. “It’s not always whether you win or lose. It’s whether you’re winning or losing,” he said after the 4-1 win on February 23. Despite last night’s loss, Kings fans should be encouraged by a pair of “winning” Jonathan Quick performances this week in which he stopped 46 of 48 shots over two games and couldn’t be faulted for either goal. The first goal, which fell in the “greasy” category, as Anze Kopitar mentioned last night, came off a Jaromir Jagr backhand that was heading wide before deflecting off Drew Doughty. On the second goal, scored on a three-on-two rush, Quick covered a lot of space in the crease and got a piece of Ray Whitney’s one-timer before it found the back of the net. It appeared as though he was locating the puck well, and his tremendous glove save on Trevor Daley was the type of save that Kings fans practically expected him to make a season ago. Though it was a strong performance, his home save percentage actually dropped from .908 to .907; the degree of improvement from his .889 road save percentage will have some say in how Los Angeles fares in its upcoming trip through Chicago, St. Louis, Minnesota, Dallas and Phoenix.
-Kari Lehtonen was excellent on the other end of the ice in earning his first shutout of the season. I replayed several of his saves this morning, and his denial of Jake Muzzin’s power play wristshot from the tops of the circles early in the first period had quite a bit of say in Dallas’ success. Los Angeles hadn’t trailed at home since the previous Dallas game – they had outscored opponents 9-2 in the first period during their five-game home winning streak – and this game would have taken a completely different trajectory if the Kings stuck to their familiar home script and jumped ahead early. A list of Pacific Division goaltenders that are a part of a rotation this year offers another example of the parity out west. When names such as Quick, Lehtonen, Jonathan Bernier, Mike Smith, Antti Niemi, Jonas Hiller and Viktor Fasth are listed on scoresheets, Darryl Sutter’s observation that “There ain’t no weak sisters” is again illustrated.
-Jordan Nolan’s north-south game was impressive in his 8:16 of ice time. His most high-profile move was his first period chip work along the boards to himself before driving through Alex Goligoski and cutting towards the tops of the circles where he tested Lehtonen low with a quick shot that was kicked aside. He is at his best when he’s getting pucks deep, forechecking and making hits on the opposing defensemen deep in the attacking zone. There shouldn’t be anything fancy; he’s not an east-west player. It’s similar to the role that Kyle Clifford continues to chisel out.
Jon, do you think TT will get back into the lineup tomorrow? I’m curious. Nolan did well and.worked hard last night
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puck73 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:03 am
@shiny, Jordan Nolan played hard last night. Not going to fault him for the loss. That being said, The Kings were 3 and 0 with Toffoli in the lineup. Sutter could have easily taken out King for one game.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:07 am
@puck73, Don’t be surprised to see him go back to Manchester.
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vplaza Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:08 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Dwight King back to Manch?
KC23 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 3:16 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), He will almost certainly be back in Manchester, but he has about 5 more games to play before that happens. So it’ll be a while I think.
johnjuan Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:43 am
@puck73, Agreed.
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jet Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm
@puck73, King’s defence is so much more developed that TT’s it isn’t even close. Also, the third line is just starting to produce. King has 2 goals in the last 5. Last night, he had 3 shots and 1 hit in 12 minutes. But again, this is all secondary to the fact that he is far superior in his own end.
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KC23 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 3:19 pm
@puck73, Wins against Calgary are difficult to get too excited about for me. Not much of a test there imho.
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JonRosen Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:06 am
@shiny, Give me a few hours to consider this and address it… we’ll probably know more after practice today.
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shiny Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:08 am
@JonRosen, ok thanks. You might have a different opinion, but I think we need a sniper tomorrow. That seems the best way to beat Lu and Schneider
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puck73 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:14 am
@shiny, Totally agree. When Larry Robinson coached here many years ago, he said something I will never forget, he said…’ I can teach guys how to play the game the right way and maximize their abilities, but I cant teach someone how to be a 50 goal scorer, its a special gift that few have, especially at The NHL level’.
LVKINGS88 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:45 am
@shiny, Concur, Penner works better on the 4th, Fraz and Clifford make him play better I think,I think he works harder on that line and I don’t think he has anywhere to hide when he plays with those guys,when he plays on the second he’s more of a bystander.TT looked good good on the second,sure he had a couple bad shifts but he’s hungry and he hustles.
xeropoint Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:26 am
@puck73,
I believe it was “you can’t make chicken soup out of chicken s$&/.”
jet Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm
@shiny, I do not believe we can afford his defensive liabilities. He might score 30 goals a season, but if he allows 50 goals, what is the point. He came up got some experience, a lille taste, now he can go back to Manchester and work on his own end and his skating.
jet Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:39 pm
@JonRosen, sounds like someone likes the current shape of there nose.
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jet Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm
@jet, their nose, and Jon, this is just a kind joke.
Quick was awesome!
Gives us a lot of confidence regarding out net troubles we have had!
Of course though, once he plays great our offense sucks! LOL
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shiny Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:07 am
@Lake Forest, can’t ever seem to get this whole team rolling at once. Well it happened on Monday.
But the offense didn’t suck that much. Kari was just better
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jcarson17 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm
@shiny, Minus fluke goal better.
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vplaza Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:07 am
@Lake Forest,
Stop me if you’ve heard this before…Quick plays great, Kings can’t score and PP comes up empty (though again, I like what I’m seeing on the PP).
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puck73 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:10 am
@vplaza, The Terry Murray syndrome. The X Files theme song playing in the background, with a total lost in space, puzzled, blank stare from TM..lol
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vplaza Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:12 am
@puck73,
But the compete level was high.
jet Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:45 pm
@puck73, but, he has won a few more NHL games than you, right?
They played well enough to win. Real bummer that the puck bounced the wrong way as a win would really have created some needed separation. Still, they seem to be gaining strength, right?
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Lake Forest Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:44 am
@Weasel, we are still 5 points above 9th place.
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shiny Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:50 am
@Lake Forest, if we win over the Divers, we keep our spot in 4th. If we lose and Red Wings win, we’ll do a huge backslide. Gotta root for Ducks to sweep the home & home against the Wings
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Forum Gold Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:26 pm
@shiny, This sure looks like last year as 1 or 2 points are going to be huge as to if you make it in and what seed you are. It appears we are going down to the final weekend again with every game meaning so much. The anticipation for each game is great. GO KINGS GO!!!
Kings obviously controlled the puck for 2-3 periods, and seemed able to take the puck away from Dallas at will. Almost seemed like they controlled it so well, they were in no hurry to shoot sometimes, preferring to work the puck into the middle and wait for traffic. And I am not a “shooooot!” fan. Good effort and all, but you hate to leave 2 points on the table like that.
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Even with last night loss I’m encouraged by the teams play as of late. Guys are playing hard and are focused on nailing a playoff spot.
Dallas gave us a little kick in the butt so now it’s time to use Vancouver as a spring board to yet another tough road test.
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shiny Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:43 am
@KOHO, +1
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puck73 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 10:48 am
@KOHO, True. But last nights loss also illustrates why you need at least 2 lines of guys that can finish. When they took Toffoli out last night, the team wasnt quite as dangerous and balanced as it was the last 3 games.
As we saw last night, Guys like Jagr and Whitney….they dont always need many looks or shots to finish.
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Michael J. Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:05 am
@puck73,
Dallas was content to counterpunch last night. Jagr’s “finish” was a pass. Whitney had an open net and Quick still got a piece of it.
I think last night’s game clearly illustrates just how evenly matched the teams in this league are.
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KOHO Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:09 am
We’re still not at full strength and since it’s a compacted, short season depth is what will help teams get to the finish line healthy and hungry for a playoff run. I won’t fault Sutter for going with what won it all last year cuz these guys have been thru the battles that ultimately won the war.
Sutter may be using Toffoli sparingly as to bring him along slowly without putting the pressure on him to be our savior so early in his career. We have enough guys that can score it just didn’t happen for us last night. Every team experiences nights like that so you just have to move on and not get caught up in the woulda, coulda, shoulda when the Kings are still in control of their playoff lives.
Does Toffoli have a limited number of games he can play without affecting his contract in some way that would lose a year of eligibility or having to clear waivers if sent down?
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xeropoint Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:26 pm
@KOHO, There is a great resource for calculating waiver status at cap geek. Toffoli’s ELC is in effect. There are no eligiblity issues of any kind. The 10 game rule that’s been mentioned only applies to players called up from junior.
jet Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:49 pm
@puck73, Unfortuanatly, you are saying 2 lines that can finish on the O side, with TT in the line up then we have 2 lines that are finished on the D side.
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Some games you deserve to win but dont…and some games you deserve to lose but you dont…If the Kings get those chances every night they will win more often then not…Remember if TT plays more then 6 games his contract kicks in….doenst seem like a big thing now but big picture..its huge..esp with the salary cap… maybe someone can ask DS/DL if the 6 game rule has any baring on how TT is being used…
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fsd1 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
@Neil, I think 9 is the maxx?
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xeropoint Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:30 am
@Neil, This only applies to players coming from Juniors. Toffoli is earning his NHL wage and a year on his ELC wether he is here or in Manchester.
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I’m beginning to wonder if the Kings didn’t realize that James was in the building last night… Has the “Bubblez” magic worn off?
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Duncanz Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:21 pm
@Michael J., He’s now 7-1-1 or something.
I think they should give him comp tickets under the same program as Dancing Boy & the Kissing Kingstagenarians
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Dave from Torrance Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
@Duncanz, regarding the Kingstenarians, I was walking to Staples behind them, the old dude walks with a cane, and the old gal was leaving him in the dust!! I looked at my buddy and said I’d never view the kissing couple the same way again. Sure enough, kiss cam comes on and she’s all over him. Just goes to show how people change when the spotlight is on them. Sort of like the morons that make asses of themselves behind PON on the post game. Tough game, we deserved the win. Lets get the sisters on Saturday. GKG
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Duncanz Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 6:47 pm
@Dave from Torrance, That’s awesome. I think coming to the games is an afro-haircut for them, for want of a better pun.
Btw, I’ve been one of those PON groupies and was planning on being one again, but now I think I will reevaluate.
Is there a remedial class somewhere for this sort of behavior?
I, like most fans and broadcasters, thought the Kings would continue to dominate after the first period. Dallas played the night before and looked a step behind, shows how much a goalie can lift a tired team up with big saves. The Kings were just unable to solve Kari, give him total credit for the win.
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3 wins out of 5 upcoming road trip??? I would take that…
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How many grade A chances did they have? How many outnumbered attack did we allow? And how many super save did Quick make?
How many grade A chances did we have? How many outnumbered attack did they allow? And how many super save did Lehtonen make?
Despite large margin of total shots, the Stars had more grade A chances and outnumbered attack. Instead of trying to jam the puck in or wrap around, they made a play.
The first goal was, fair to say, the lucky one but not entirely. Jagr had a whole lots of time and space because Kopiter let the old man with a cane go around him. Muzzin had his guy so did Doughty.
The second one was bad decision by Scuderi to pinch in but Brown was in the good position to back him up. When Scuderi faild to stop the puck, Brown charged into No.20 instead of being safety. No.20 made a quick pass before he gets hit by Brown, and Voynov was all alone. And again another old man made us pay.
All those 40 saves Kari Lehtonen made were relatively easy ones. Did he robbed anybody? Which one was the super save like Quick made? So stop saying excuse like we run into the hot goalie because that’s not true.
Putting Penner on the 2nd line was mistake. Carter was the hardest forechacker in that line but he should not be. What was Penner’s role in that line, shooting the puck? I was surprised DS didn’t make any changes with line combo after the 1st or 2nd period.
Keep shooting eventually one will go in … is that what we are doing? Well, guess what. Sometimes all those bounces miss the net lake last night. If we make a play, we don’t need any lucky bounces.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
@goldielocks, You must be kidding, Lehtonen was on fire. He actually made an identical glove save to Quick’s. When you look at the first period, Kari was the only reason the Kings weren’t up by one or two goals. That would have sent Dallas off the ice thinking they were done for the night.
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fsd1 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:14 am
@Happy Lappy, +1
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goldielocks Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:20 am
@Happy Lappy,
You can say he was good cause he really was. But is he on the hot streak? I don’t think so. Then you can’t say like running into the hot goalie. So who exactly did he rob?
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PP Anybody? Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:15 pm
@goldielocks, You know, sometimes when a goalie is truly on his game and “in the zone”, they just make it look easy. He just happened to have one of those nights last night. He was incredibly sharp positionaly so he didn’t have to make “fantastic” saves.
The Kings, even when they’ve been scoring 4+ goals a game, are not a shimmy/dangle east west team. They play the same, simple, heavy forechecking game as last night. Usually they wear a team down and find a seam to score. Just didn’t happen last night. Overall they’ve been on a good roll, so on to the. Next one.
jet Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:53 pm
@goldielocks, King, he robbed King.
lvkingaholic Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 3:49 pm
@Happy Lappy, i’d say the puck looked like a basketball to him last nite………
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puck73 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:13 am
@goldielocks, Very well stated.
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fsd1 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:17 am
@goldielocks, nice thought process, but it was the goalie that won the game for them, if you want to blame DS for “losing” the game go ahead but it sure seems like a waste of time considering all the brilliance he has brought to this team. he was playing a card and lost the hand but not the season like some people are making it out to be.
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goldielocks Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:28 am
@fsd1,
I must have missed something because no player or coach said their goaltending was the difference maker. As for DS, he’s the one of best coaches for sure but even DS could be out-coached sometimes. I suspect he didn’t get enough scouting report because he seemed to have no clue against the Stars.
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fsd1 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:50 am
@goldielocks,
Kopi On whether the game was decided by a hot goalie or deeper issues:
“It seemed like he was on his game, but it’s not an excuse, for sure
their coach On whether the team won after “weathering a storm” early:
“Yeah, this was one your goalie comes and gets you and saves you in the first 40
DS On running into a hot goalie:
“Didn’t cash in. Got shut out, so you could say he’s hot, but we didn’t cash in
Jon Rosen Kari Lehtonen was the best player on the ice Thursday night and deserves his share of praise for a 40-save performance that earned him his first shutout of the season
Im saying their goalie was the difference maker as are many others, lets be reasonable here, do you really think it was that DS didn’t get a good coaching report? LMAO on that one.
It is what it is, their goalie won the game for them.
By the way, I enjoy your posts (most of the time) I just think you’re taking this loss too hard. When it really comes down to it, we didn’t score but had the chances.
goldielocks Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:31 pm
@fsd1,
I don’t see Kopi or DS admitting Lehtonen was the main reason that they lost. I don’t deny their goaltending is one of the reasons they won. I mean for them, for sure but not the main reason for us.
Do you know why the Kings are so good at home game? When you go thorough the stats, you can easily point out which lines are better in goal against. 1st and 3rd lines are. 2nd and 4th lines are struggling to defend against top guys. The coach can make difference by matching the lines at home, and DS is doing good job so far. But it wasn’t the case last night. Kopi’s line was on both goals. They played poorly as I stated but DS did not make any changes when things weren’t going well, and I think he should have. When we do match up against all the lines, we hardly give up any goals. Our defense is that good. I may be too hard on them but this home game loss is simply inexcusable.
King Alex Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:21 am
@goldielocks, You nailed it with the space they gave the old man with the cane (Jagr). I was at both home games against Dallas and we just don’t check the elderly for some reason. Father time (Jagr) parked his butt back door twice in game 1 and nobody touched him. We need to play with much more snarl against the grizzled older veterans in Dallas and not admire their play. I believe in equal opportunity checking!
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goldielocks Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:30 am
@King Alex,
I loved it when Doughty bulldozed Salenne!
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Lake Forest Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 11:34 am
@King Alex, jagr is like 245 lbs or something isnt he? I thougth he was a super beast….
old yes, but big
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Good reading here guys
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I felt the Kings played badly and thereofore lost.
1. Too much desperation to score. This is a physical art and a game of Chess.
2. Wacking at the puck, shootting softly or wildly.
3. Drew played great defense but cost us a goal. Also his aim was off and she should have set up more plays for Muzzin. Bth Drew and Quick are NOT having a big year. Stop trying to have one.
4. Sutter should not have allowed them to try Bulldoze to a first goal lead. This team beat us badly before.
5. And I am sorry- Bernier should have started. Great saves by Quick but his energy is not good for the team. Look at the stats on the two goalies. You be the judge.
6. Lastly, someone needs pass to Kopi instead of him doing all the work. Forward, defense- anything else?
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Crucify me if you must, but Lewis has disappeared completely these last two games. Turnovers, no physicality, no quality shots.
If TT plays tomorrow, I’d much prefer DS sit Lewis instead of Nolan or King.
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xeropoint Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:18 pm
@Gustavo, Disagree. Lewis was his usual self last night. Aside from a couple bad shifts for the first line, I was pleased with the team. The only players I thought were “off” were Brown, Kopitar and Scuderi (who looks like he’s laboring, either from an injury or too many minutes).
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vplaza Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:03 pm
@Gustavo,
No need for crucifixions but I don’t agree. Lewis did what he normally does, which is bring energy to the game. And, as he usually does, he doesn’t necessarily have the finishing touch to turn that energy into scoring opportunities for himself. But what didn’t happen was that his work didn’t translate into his teammates taking advantage of their chances.
Truth is, Lewis is a good player but does not have the ability to take over a game or create chances for himself. He has to have others to work with. Against Vancouver, I may want his speed over King’s brawn.
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KC23 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 3:25 pm
@Gustavo, Consider yourself crucified, but I’ll give you a lot of company with many who I respect on this blog who are currently throwing DS under the bus on the whole Toffoli issue.
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Gustavo Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 5:04 pm
@KC23,
I don’t throw DS under the bus. never has, never will. The farmer brought us a Stanley Cup and is working his ass off to get us another. I tell things like I see them.
So what you guys are saying is that we should get used to Lewis not getting any more points and be happy with it. Nahhhh….I expect forwards to produce goals, assists and lots of bruising hits on the opponents. Otherwise be goalies, lol
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YoBro Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
@Gustavo, Unless I’m wrong, I believe Lewie has already surpassed his output from last yr in 30 gms this season. I’d say he’s doing just fine so far.
Go Kings
TT needs to play and continue to develop. Here or Manchester; does not really matter to me although I see him as an upgrade over King. Probably want to see him as top 6 and Penner has been good…
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Suuter is right-it’s whether you’re winning or losing. The Kings are still in a winning mode but we should keep everything consistent versus changing from game to game. Play the same game each time.
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Kings are in the top ten in the league in scoring….TT really isn’t the reason…we must have finishers are we wouldn’t be that high…and if we got to play the east coast we would be higher
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vplaza Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:12 pm
@neil,
And the Kings are also in top 10 for fewest goals against, so they’re doing something right both defensively and offensively.
The loss last night, while really annoying because the Stars should have been ripe for two points, was due to a goaltender that was in the zone and the team not finding ways to crack that zone. Take away the fluke bounce and the lapse by Scuds and Brown and it would have been at least a point to go to OT.
Here’s hoping that Kopi realizes that even though DS gave him those compliments, he still needs to bring it, that Brown finds the same form that he had after the trade deadline last year, that JQ and JB continue providing great goaltending, and the rest of the team putting in 60 minutes of work every night.
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KC23 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 3:27 pm
@neil, Thank God there is at least 1 regular blogger left that hasn’t completely gone over the edge on this playing TT saga. You’d think we just got off losing our 10th in a row.
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So seeing lots of animosity towards the “old men” last night.
I’m sure many will disagree with me but there is a reason these “old” guys are still hanging around with guys half their age. Jagr is a fantastic player and he is able to play better than most guys who are in the “prime” of their lives/careers. Betcha if Jagr went up against say, Sid the Wonder Kid, Jagr would school him.
Whitney has always been a problem for the Kings, even with a healthy defense and a hot goalir.
There’s one crucial element that’s being overlooked: experience. You can’t teach what you learn through experience. Kopi got caught stopping (according to him) and Jagr had the endless patience to make him pay for that move. You don’t get to play at the professional level for 20+ years unless you really are that good and can still bring something to the table.
Example: Martin Brodeur. Credit to Hedburg for trying, but there’s a reason Devils signed him to a 2 year contract extension last summer. He is that good.
There aren’t many “old timers” left in the NHL for good reason. So when you say an old man beat a young man, just remember that that “old man” is schooling others in this “young man’s sport.”
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jet Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:00 pm
@shiny, this is the thurth. Let me add that the old guy’s experience is even more evident verses young teams. We were beat with experience and that happens sometimes.
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shiny Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
@jet, exactly. We have a great team, but collectively, still very young. Lewis is I think 26, Cliffanimal is 22 and is still on an ELC…
In reading the post game comments, I got a hell of a lot of respect for Jagr and Whitney. Neither one was boastful and both said they were lucky to be able to get the goals.
Those guys have insane work ethics and last night it showed and it paid off for them. We may have worked harder, but we got beat with experience by better guys. (In this case, specifically Jagr and Whitney and Kari was better than our offense. It happens)
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Mars Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
@shiny, Vinsore And Morrow are the two I dont like, beyond that they seem to be decent enough guys. I respect Jagr a lot, (same with TS on the sucks) I try to respect Whintney, but grrrr. Ya know.
KC23 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 3:29 pm
@shiny, Well said.
Mars Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 1:19 pm
@shiny, How old are you if you dont mind me asking.
I’m 36
Just wondering where the old man defense is coming from.
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Spoke to a couple “insiders” last night about the “Toffolli” and the implication was that it had more to do with $$ in that if Toffi stays for about 8 games or so the kings must pay his NHL salary? prorated? Something along those li es. Is this what some here also believe? I’ve heard of this “nickel n dime” stuff before n if that’s the case there r way to ma y adjectives n expletives that would put me in the cornfield.
Please Co Vince me this has nothing to do with money!
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KC23 Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 3:31 pm
@linny, Don’t believe it is about money for even a second. Not sure, but I think it has to do with having to clear wavers if TT plays for more than 9 games or something of that nature.
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linny Reply:
March 22nd, 2013 at 6:34 pm
@KC23, thanks for ur input…this makes more sense
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Thank you Jon Rosen for stating Quick had a solid game last night and wasn’t responsible for those goals. Some people had a hard time seeing that. Hopefully they actually put more weight on yours and Sutter’s opinions than some of the rest of us.
Kings need to keep up the pressure and it will happen. Last year is proof.
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