On whether Jonathan Quick’s last game was a step forward:
“Consistent. We want consistent play out of him…It’s no different than every other player. You want him to be consistent. Maximize their skill set.”
On whether Quick was better “positionally” better in his last game:
“Maximizing your skill set. You’re probably over-analyzing it because they’re all different, right? The best way to do it from a goalie review is second, third opportunities, rebounds, faceoffs. That’s what you read how the goalie’s playing.”
On whether he’s been happy with Penner’s compete level:
“I think it depends who we’re playing, and who we play guys against. It’s the advantage of playing at home. You can try and match guys up, and if they are prepared for that challenge, then we like it.”
On Mike Richards’ recent play:
“We’ve moved he and Jeff around, quite honest, to try to get Jeff back to shooting pucks. Not so much Mike. Mike’s looking to make plays more than he’s looking to be first on our forecheck. Things like that. That’s his mentality. So when you want him to do that, you’re trying to make him as fresh as possible…so because of the schedule, we’ve scaled minutes back on some guys, but we’re trying to get Jeff shooting pucks again.”
On Mike Richards’ intuition and his sense of positioning:
“And Jeff – both have played a lot of center. Jeff really hadn’t played a lot of right wing until he came here. But he’s such a natural player that when you have two natural centers play together and guys that communicate really well in terms of talking to each other and getting to know each other on the ice that they feel for each other. Mike’s greatest strength is his ability to compete and ability to see the game at a high pace. So you want him to be able to play at a high pace, and then try and keep him as good of a position as you can, always.”
On his comment Tuesday that the Kings got their [butts] kicked by Dallas:
“Actually we didn’t. We got very out-goaltended. We took three chickenfeathers penalties – tripping, hooking. They scored on two of the three of them, and quite honest, position and zone time we pretty much controlled the game if you break it down. We won in the faceoff area. We won in zone time. We were out-goaltended and we took two or three bad penalties.”
On Kari Lehtonen’s attributes that impress him:
“He’s a number one goalie who can play lots of games. He’s had a little bit of injury trouble. He’s a tough guy to beat down low. It’s not so much how many shots you get against him. You’ve got to get pucks in certain places on him. He handles the puck really well. He recognizes situations, moves the puck up the ice really well [and] recognizes when the guys in front of him are tired and he’ll force whistles. It all comes with experience. He’s probably a guy that has flown under the radar to date, and I’m not saying [that] because we’re playing him tonight, but he’s probably an underrated goaltender.”
On Quick’s confidence and whether he is still the goalie who “led the team” last year:
“I mean, that’s your opinion that he ‘led the team’…He played more minutes than the other guy last year. The biggest part about becoming a top player in this league, whether you’re a top defenseman – how teams key on Doughty, or teams want to play against Kopitar – is find a goalie’s weaknesses. Everyone has one. Obviously they’ve worked on that. It’s got nothing to do with Jonathan’s confidence. It’s [that] teams have found out where to work him. So he’s got to become a top player to become a top player consistently…It’s like, friggin’ once around the league as a pitcher, right? Next time they’re friggin’ sitting on that, and pretty soon he’s only thrown 15 pitches and they’re walking out to see him. It’s the very same. This guy hasn’t done anything different than that. He’s had one kick at the cat. So you’ve got to sustain it. You’ve got to sustain a high level of play, or otherwise you’re not that player. Is he capable of being that player? Certainly is. But you have to experience it. You can’t teach it. You’ve got to learn it. We get too caught up here in individuals. I said that when I came here. Everybody’s locked in on star status. You know what? If it was just ‘locked in on star status’, this team would have won the Stanley Cup the last 20 years in a row…It doesn’t guarantee you playoffs. It doesn’t guarantee wins. It doesn’t guarantee nothing. It guarantees good interviews and ‘oh, look, there he is.’ It doesn’t guarantee a performance. That’s the difference, right?…The best thing for him is competition, and Bernier’s good competition. The best thing for him is to play at a high level.
On whether challenges in the last Dallas game originated from goaltending or penalty killing issues:
“Quite honest, the second one was [the] Eakin goal, and it’s ‘bad goalie’. The Jagr goal is Jagr. Last time we had a 48-games schedule, Jagr won the scoring race. He doesn’t do everything quite as fast as he used to, but he still has things that he does better than most guys in the league, and usually it’s when he has the puck. There are three or four things that he’s still very good at, and you have to respect that. But you have to be able to take it away from him. That’s the best thing about him. That’s like me talking about Selanne. I never got to coach Jagr, but I’ve seen him enough that even though he’s 41 or whatever the hell he is, he hasn’t lost that desire to try and exploit the other team in certain situations. He’s still fun to watch except when you’re coaching him.”
On Jagr’s comment after the last game that he wanted to go back on the ice and play again:
“Good for him. They’re not going to build a schedule for that, are they?”
Wait… So, this is baseball???
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shiny Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 1:48 pm
@Michael J., apparently. Once around the league and the pitcher is done
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 1:58 pm
@Michael J.,
Do they Park and Ride in baseball too?
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Michael J. Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:01 pm
@vplaza,
They do “Ride the Pine”
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:27 pm
@Michael J.,
Are they also a 3-2 league like the NHL? So confused.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:01 pm
@Michael J.,
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I sure hope JQ can start putting together consistent performances after Mondays game. He sure looked good then, and I hope it continues going forward.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:01 pm
@puck73, It seemed to be a relatively easy outing, but his form looked better, too.
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Michael J. Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:03 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Just as long as he stays within a foot of the blue area
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:07 pm
@Michael J., That wasn’t really his problem last time. His problem last time is he lost a fluttering puck from a long distance away that he probably shouldn’t have. That said, because one of his strengths is challenging shooters, he sometimes relies too much on it and finds himself in nowhere land.
LA_1968 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:11 pm
@puck73, To read Quick I think you look and see him with his head low, bobbing and weaving, fighting like hell to see pucks. I saw that last game. Had not seen that level of fighting to see pucks since playoffs last year.
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KC23 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:06 pm
@puck73, Quick looked okay, but he was still giving up rebounds that last year he wasn’t. Bernier still looks better to me currently. Tonight is a good game for Quick to play though, because confidence building is important with goalies and Dallas won’t have much gas in the tank tonight.
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I don’t know whether he’s happy with general team performance, general goal tending, if there are goalie issues… I’m so confused lol
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everytime i see Quotes and Darryl Sutter in the same headline, It makes my day.
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Dallas is going to be pissed after that loss last night, but they prob didn’t get in till 2 or 3 in the morning so I don’t think they’ll be able to don’t anything about it.
Kings need to get off to that fast start that has been talked about. Doughty will have another goal tonight.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:04 pm
@Dooms, By all rights, it should be a reverse of the last matchup between them, given the reversed scheduling situation.
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cup4kings Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:51 pm
@Dooms,
This is the 3rd game in 4 days for the Kings though. It’s not like Dallas is getting a rested Kings team.
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KC23 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:07 pm
@cup4kings, Dallas is also on a 3 games in 4 nights, but they traveled AND on the tail end of a back to back. Huge advantage, Kings.
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“We took three chickenfeathers penalties…”
LOL, how does DS really feel about those penalties?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:03 pm
@vplaza, I’m guessing he’s probably lucky the league office doesn’t pay as much attention to pregame interviews as postgame interviews.
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shiny Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:07 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, there was no swearing… at least in this one LOL and who knows who the chicken feathers comment was directed towards… he didn’t come out and blame the refs (at least not directly). They took bad penalties and paid for it. And boy did they ever pay…
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:37 pm
@shiny, In typical Sutter style, he would be able to deny everything, given the need for a correct cypher key to truly grok his comments.
Michael J. Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:05 pm
@vplaza,
So, he wasn’t talking about his players?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:08 pm
@Michael J., Does any of us remember the penalties? I don’t. Usually, that diction is critical of the officiating, though.
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shiny Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:17 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, no. Park and ride, remember? They’ve played so many games since they saw the Stars 2 weeks ago, I can’t keep up anymore LOL. I barely remember Doughty’s goal
Lake Forest Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:22 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, I remember them
Keaton tripping but Keaton didn’t really trip the guy
AM tripping
Keaton hooking
It was AMs first game back? He didn’t play that we’ll at all.
2 goals were back door
vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:26 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
I’m just guessing, but I think that he was not happy with the players taking those penalties.
I also may be recalling this incorrectly, but was that when he was really critical of AMart’s play?
shiny Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:27 pm
@Lake Forest, oh right, I vaguely remember the tripping one. Ellerby happened to be standing there when the guy hit the board and went down.
I do remember Marty didn’t play well but he hasn’t played well at all until last game
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:41 pm
@Lake Forest, Oh yeah…I remember the goals, which is why I kinda thought, at the time (and from Sutter’s comments) that Quick got a disproportionate amount of the blame, since two of them were clearly unstoppable by the guy in the crease. He definitely should have stopped the fluttering one from the top of the circle, though.
Thanks for the penalty review. It helped.
@vplasa, I took it as a shot at the officiating. Maybe it was both.
“Road apples” “Chicken feathers”
Who had any idea we were getting this when he was hired?
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Chickenfeathers! Down on the ranch we call it ChickenS#!+
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Did he just call Bernier “the other guy”?
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Michael J. Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:19 pm
@goldielocks,
Yah, I thought Bernier was “the backup”.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:43 pm
@Michael J., Maybe he’s trying not to rank them? He tries not to rank lines, right? (Gee, now I’m sounding like him, right?)
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goldielocks Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:20 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Or DS wants Bernier to be a peacock.
I’m a little confused. Last year Quick played the vast majority of an 82 game schedule with a 1.95 goals against average, then all of 20 games in the Playoffs, which were at an even higher level. That’s close to a hundred games agains twenty-nine opponents, multiple games against most of them. They weren’t able to figure out his “weaknesses” the length of that time. So over the layoff everyone finally figured him out?? Hmmm.
Also, most everyone, Sutter excluded of course, seems to acknowledge that it was Quick’s play that put us in the Playoffs and then led us through. Am I wrong? Didn’t he win the Conn Smythe?
Isn’t this another Sutter putdown of a player? No question that Quick is not the same goaltender as last year. What’s behind it is Sutter’s responsibility to find out, not make excuses for his inability to do so by saying, “You can’t teach it.”
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puck73 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:35 pm
@Russ Dynda, I have to agree with this post. Quick has been awesome the last 3 years and it has been acknowledged by many. This year until Monday, he has struggled big time. I have been saying for the last couple of weeks that we should go with a ‘game by game’ strategy.
In other words, Ride the hot hand. If I was Sutter I would give Bernier the start tonite with a couple of days off and see how he does. If he wins, play him on Saturday vs Vancouver, if he loses or plays bad you can always try Quick and see how he does.
To me, quite often it seems, alot of coaches make the goalie situation alot more difficult then it should be.
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:47 pm
@Russ Dynda,
My take on this is that Sutter doesn’t want to puff up anyone’s skirts, especially JQ’s since he had not been playing well before recently. Now, I know he sort of did that with Kopi the other day, but I think that Kopi’s relatively strong play for most of the year plus since forever, made DS more comfortable doing that.
But with JQ, I don’t think he wants to put needless “star mentality” in JQ’s head. Maybe not until he strings a few more great games together.
Just my $0.02.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:50 pm
@vplaza, Yours came later, but also a great take. Kopi’s beyond that, it seems. He’s found himself like few athletes, at this point.
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:10 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
I also think that it goes back to last year, when DS really didn’t want to heap too much praise on JQ (heaping more praise on Kipper, for example). Maybe when JQ wins the second Cup and Conn Smythe, DS will do that.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 6:48 pm
@vplaza, Somehow, I don’t see a goaltender ever approaching the necessary status. The position is just too controversial.
Russ Dynda Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:39 pm
@vplaza, Interesting theory, but it’s a little late to be worried about putting the “Star” status on Quick when after leading us to the Cup and winning the Conn Smythe, Lombardi rewards him with a ten year 58 million dollar contract. You don’t give that to players who are less than stars.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Both great takes!
@Russ Dynda, It’s obviously very difficult to call Sutter on anything (and I’m not saying you’re calling him out), but yeah, I’m not convinced that’s entirely it either. I’m looking at the “comfort level” he had with his defensemen toward the end of last season not being there, and him being a human being. There could be other factors as well.
@puck73, I’d like to see Bernier play most of a string, before it gets too late, to see if he continues to handle pressure like he did Tuesday. To be honest, I expected him to play somewhat less solidly under pressure. It’s no secret I think the skaters play more consciously of their defense in front of Bernier, and I was waiting for him to face a barrage like that. I’m waiting for him to face a few more. W/o regard to Quick, I’d like to see “what we have” before he’s traded away, resigned, or whatever.
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neil Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:19 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, last year lots of shots up high missed the net….this season so far not as much…..thin line between good and great…90% …not good….93% very
good wrt to save pct. 3 saves out of a 100..,,difference between avg and really good
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 6:51 pm
@neil, Hmm…so they’re aiming better? Could be, I guess. Maybe they’re being pressured to use better shot selection against Quick. Maybe it’s working. I like the application of logic. It’s really the way I’m trying to approach the question.
Michael J. Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:47 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Looked up the Reagan thing. It was 1988. Reagan was (I think) 78 years old!
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-250_162-10012560-5.html
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 6:51 pm
@Michael J., Thanks! I responded in the previous thread.
LA_1968 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:17 pm
@Russ Dynda,
Good points but almost nobody really nobody paid any attention to Quick in the last couple years until the Cup run. They didn’t bother figuring out his tendencies. Now preparing for Quick is a priority in their preparation. I think he has a bullseye on him now and that’s what Coach Sutter is referring to.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 6:52 pm
@LA_1968, Again, in response to that, you’d think they would have studied him pretty well going into the Stanley Cup Playoffs, but if that’s the issue, it’s not apparent they did.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 6:53 pm
I don’t want it to appear I’m taking credit for that thought. Someone else brought it up.
BringBackKingston Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:34 pm
@Russ Dynda, the scouting report on Quick hasn’t been a secret. This is from a few seasons ago.
http://www.thehockeyguild.com/thegoalieguild/journal/quickreport.pdf
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Russ Dynda Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:31 pm
@BringBackKingston, I haven’t checked out your link, but this only makes sense. Everyone knows that Quick is basically a Butterfly goaltender and this style is only vulnerable up high. Quick entered last season with that style. The teams had to be aware of where his vulnerabilities lay throughout last season. He simply was in another zone virtually the entire season. It’s not going to help him regain that zone by continuing to threaten him with his job. Everyone knows that in professional sports you are constantly competing for your job. You don’t need to exert extra pressure by holding an axe over someone’s neck constantly. That only gives them one other major thing to think about besides the mechanics of doing their job. If you need to sit the guy out, do it, but shut up in terms of criticizing and threatening, especially in the media. It serves no positive purpose.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 6:53 pm
@Russ Dynda, I guess it was you I got that idea from.
KC23 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:12 pm
@Russ Dynda, Good take and I agree. I also don’t think it has much to do about teams adjusting to Quick’s weakness.
I tell ya what Quick’s biggest weakness is this year compared to last … no Mitchell and no Greene.
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Russ Dynda Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm
@KC23, I agree with your assessment in terms of the absence of Greene and Mitchell. The focus from our backline seems to be more on offense than it has been, making Quick more vulnerable.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 6:56 pm
@KC23, We sound like a broken record, but the assertions to the contrary continue to be floated, and I’m still not buying most of them. The idea that for some reason players are shooting better up high was interesting, though. The game does evolve. Oddly, that shouldn’t help Bernier much over Quick, though.
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chuckie Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 5:29 pm
@Russ Dynda, Or you could look at it another way, they barely squeaked into the playoffs the last day of the season and then went on a tear. They had the least amount of injuries of any team through the playoffs and avoided Detroit and Chicago through no fault of their own. They played a one Sedin Brother Vancouver for most of that series and the teams they beast St Louis and Phoenix had great season records but were recent newcomers to the post season dance. Personally I felt cheated to have to watch NJ instead of Boston or Pittsburgh in the finals. This year if they don’t finish 4th or 5th it’s likely they will have to beat Chicago, Anaheim, and a new monster in Minnesota or Vancouver and then probably Pittsburgh. Prognosis; they’re gonna have to be a lot better than last year and probably without Green and Mitchell. So let’s stick with what we have and that should turn out great. I think they used to call this California dreaming.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 7:01 pm
@chuckie, They were already on the tear, weeks before the playoffs, as they were making up for lost ground. They weren’t as successful before the playoffs because they’re built to wear teams down in seven-game series’ (the fact that it typically took five is a credit to the strategy.) They benefited from teams having injuries, but they had some too. Still, that may have been a factor of them being younger and bigger. That, and again, they didn’t look as impressive during the regular season, which is where we are now. As for them having to be a hell of a lot better, I don’t necessarily agree (not that Mitchell and Greene won’t be a problem.) They mowed down teams. They’ve got “wiggle room” (don’t tell them that.) I still want to see another veteran defenseman, whether it turns out to be a rental, or a new player or Greene, or Mitchell, and I’ll be really uncomfortable if they don’t get one.
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Russ Dynda Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 7:03 pm
@chuckie, I think that’s an astute assessment.
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OT;
The Sharks dodged a huge pileup involving 55 cars near Edmonton International airport.
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:48 pm
@goldielocks,
Clowe probably stuck his stick out the window and caused the pileup and their bus just kept driving.
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goldielocks Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:50 pm
@vplaza,
LOL. How evil can he be?
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
@goldielocks,
Dr. Evil evil.
puck73 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:51 pm
@vplaza, Good one V !
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
@puck73,
I have my moments. (Few and far between as they may be.)
linny Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:04 pm
@vplaza, crap! As soon as I saw the headline I thought of the close stick line. Beaten to the punch….my hats off to u…f ng. hilarious
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:54 pm
@linny, Thanks!
Mars Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 2:59 pm
@goldielocks, what oil fans leavin the game?
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gmo Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:06 pm
@goldielocks,
100 cars
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Well I know we got park and ride
Yotes have park and cry
Nucks have park and dive
Sucks have park and poo
Shartz have park and stick
Wings have park and whine
Stars have park and Texas
BJ’s have park and JMFJ
Oils have park and slide
Wild have park and
Ok someone help me out (lunch coma)
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shiny Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
@Mars, haven’t played the Wild yet this season so… Park and hide?
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:15 pm
@Mars,
Flyers have park and last (as in last in their division)
Blues have park and recall (as in recall their minor league goalie to replace Elliott and Halak)
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shiny Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:24 pm
@vplaza, no, I think Flyers should be Park and space out or park and fly (because their goalie is a space case)
I don’t get Bryz. He allows so many soft goals then comes up big (rarely, but it happens). And sometimes he’s kinda spacy. I know goalie is probably the hardest position mentally and physically, but I just don’t get him…
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:29 pm
@shiny,
Yeah, that Space Cadet is definitely in his own world.
Go Kings Go!
Time to get up shower and head down to Staples, few more hours to game time
Go Kings Go!
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OT as well, Robert from JFTC tweeted out a very interesting stats chart earlier.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201213&sit=5v5&type=corsi&teamid=0&pos=skaters&minutes=300&disp=1
It’s shot attempt %, which is a proxy for puck possession, which is basically saying that whenever these guys are on the ice, they most likely have the puck. There were 9 Kings in the top 40
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KC23 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:14 pm
@shiny, Somewhere Dominick is smiling. Good find.
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KC23 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm
@shiny, There are like over a dozen Kings listed higher than the best Duck.
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vplaza Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 4:55 pm
@shiny, That…. is one busy table.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 7:02 pm
@shiny, How ironic, given how poorly they scored over the past few years!
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Just like i said about quick…..weakness was exposed and now he needs to adjust to that….adjusting=coaching great job so far with this staff
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Hey, friggin Rangers! You don’t get whoever you want! College free agent D-man Andrej Sustr signs with Tampa Bay.
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shiny Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:20 pm
@goldielocks, But but but… if you ask Tortsy, they DESERVE to get whoever they want
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puck73 Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 3:22 pm
@goldielocks, I guess New York wasnt The center of the universe for Andrej?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 7:03 pm
@puck73, How unusual!
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he’s had one kick at the cat……….. maybe Darryl instead of Cartman on the Jumbo? he’s had one kick at the duck, he’s had one kick at the yote…..
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 7:04 pm
@Dave from Torrance, Kitty! Kitty NO!
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I thought Sutter’s line about Jagr (“maybe they’ll make a schedule…”) was one of his best. Even if Sutter totally loses his mind n makes a # 1 forward line of Penner (who I still like), Nolan & whichever goalie is not starting (like tonight he would have Bernier play center), I’d have no problem if DL kept him as coach just for his jokes. Can anyone think of another coach as funny as DS (whether intentional or not)?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 21st, 2013 at 7:04 pm
@linny, I’ll pass that along….
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I’m impressed with DS take on Quick. No excuses. Straight forward. Other teams are keying on Quick’s weaknesses. Let’s see if he avoids using Quick in Saturday’s game with the Sedin brothers who had no problem solving Quick during the playoffs a few years back.
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