-Since his five-game winning streak began, I haven’t really found anything in Jonathan Bernier’s game to call into question. He has been very good, and was again last night. It’s something that I wanted to discuss with Bill Ranford, as I generally rely on a simplistic approach to evaluating a goaltender (ie: what is his save percentage? Is he leaving pristine rebounds available? Is he “fighting the puck”?). Beyond that, the nuances of goaltending aren’t as easy for me to pick up from upstairs. That said, Bernier again made critical saves at important parts of the game. The Kings allowed a Grade-A scoring chance within the game’s first 45 seconds as Roman Josi was allowed to skate unimpeded into the high slot and unleash a crisp shot up high that Bernier never fought off. He stopped it. There was no available rebound. Play was whistled dead. The trajectory of the game obviously would have taken a completely different course if Bernier hadn’t made that save.
To provide more accurate analysis of Bernier’s performance, I consulted with Goaltending Coach Bill Ranford at this morning’s skate.
Bill Ranford, on Jonathan Bernier’s recent performances:
“I think as we came out very slow in the first periods in not really creating a whole lot, he just made the big save at the right time and played a very composed game. On nights where it goes well, it looks good. On nights where it doesn’t, people talk about it, that it doesn’t look like he’s trying. He just plays a very composed game and keeps it simple.”
Ranford, on Bernier stopping the early Roman Josi shot:
“He got into a good position early and got his eyes on it and controlled the rebound, and that’s the sort of thing you need early on in a game. I think in the second period once we got the great hop for the go-ahead goal, he was solid…Fortunately our team got her going in the third and kind of put the game away.”
Ranford, on Bernier’s positioning, rebound control and staying square to the shooter:
“That’s kind of the style he plays. He’s a little bit of more of a hybrid than most guys out there. He plays a little bit more stand-up style than butterfly, and with his size – he’s not 6’7 – he relies on his positioning and his patience. When he’s at the top of his game, you really notice those two areas.”
Gosh, really hope he keeps playing well. If he’s not gone at the deadline, he should fetch a good return after the season. Nice to see him proving the “he’s too small, he’s not proven, he’s not a true #1″ spewing people wrong. Dude is a technical master, very controlled.
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Deke'r Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
@He Shoots, He Scores,…..if he goes at the deadline the Kings will be inviting disaster….
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Munchrat Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
@Deke’r, +1
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at Puck73, so Adam M was right about JB playing? HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
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DesertKing Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
@Lake Forest,
What do you think?
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Lake Forest Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
@DesertKing, I thought JB would start yesterday and quick today and whoever played better would be in on Thursday.
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Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
@Lake M, You missed the reference.
Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
@Learned Bloggest, I’ve been telling any in d’ Nile clown that will listen, the man’s a sage!!
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So…who starts tonight?
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kings714 Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
@Gustavo, it appears to be Bernier
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I hope this isn’t perceived as blasphemy, but I can’t help but wonder if we hitched our future to the wrong horse. Quick was absolutely ethereal last year, and has been good for awhile. His style takes a toll on his body, and his style of actively coming out of the net etc. is dangerous. Bernier on the other hand is calm and steady, and he’s conservative with his actions. I don’t think bernier is better than an in form quick, but i am wondering if i’d rather have him on a 10 year contract. Maybe i’ve just forgottenhow great quick can be.
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Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
@kings714, Just having a 714 area code is blasphemy enough!
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kings714 Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
@Duncanz, hey i was here before them :p
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Harrison Merkin Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
@Duncanz, Easy there….I’m behind the Orange Curtain as well. We’re Sleeper Cells.
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Duckbasher Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
@Duncanz, Ouch (but also true).
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Shotongoal Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
@kings714, not blasphemy but just not correct as far as who the Kings #1 goalie is and will be. Quick wasn’t just good-great last year, he has been for three years. The Kings don’t make the playoffs any of the last three seasons without him. Bernier is playing the way I’m sure the Kings expected him to when they drafted him. As far as Quick’s style, well it worked for MANY years for goalies like Hasek, Richter, Irbe and others. The phenomenon on this blog is that some people fall in and out of love every game or so with different players. The memories can be very short here sometimes with some.
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Deke'r Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
@Shotongoal, ……yeah true but in a shortened season there ain’t no time to GET good….
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Shotongoal Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
@Deke’r, ok I think I know what you mean but I don’t agree. It’s all relative. I have no problem with Bernier starting and helping this team. BUT, I have no doubt that Quick will be just fine (as long as he’s healthy) as this season progresses. Obviously Quick has at times this season chased the puck too much and it’s cost the team goals against, but do you really think that all of sudden Quick is NOT the goalie he was over the past three seasons? C’mon that logic is ILLogical! But anyone here who wants to think that trading Quick or that this team can be what they were through the playoffs last year without Quick is just NOT very sensible. Again, my point is that some here are so emotional that they don’t think logically when it comes to this team and it’s players, both short term and long term.
Duckbasher Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
@Deke’r,
I’ve had back issues for many years and just the fact that he had surgery had to have some residual effects. At least for the first year. quick wouldn’t have been ready had our season started on time. We’re super lucky that we had someone of the caliber of Jon Bernier ready to come in for Quick. And don’t forget, Bernier was playing during the lock-out. Quick wasn’t. Quick will get his mojo back… just hope sitting in a back-to-back situation doesn’t mess with his head because confidence is very important to a netminder. GO KINGS (whoever is in goal).
kings714 Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
@Shotongoal, again, I explicitly said quick is better, and has been great, but he has already been injured and his style would be conducive to more injuries. As to people’s short term memories, it is true that changing your stance on a game by game basis is not the way to be a sports fan, but in today’s day and age leashes must be and are short. Last year if we stuck by our players and didn’t trade for carter would we have won the cup? My answer is no. You have to be proactive. While game by game is too dramatic, judging players by their most recent half season i think is not. I hope quicks problems so far are based off the injury, and i hope he can stay helathy in future, but i think we have to already be wary of the fact he has a ten year contract
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I was noticing how different Bernier looks in net vs. Quick. Teams are starting to pick corners on Quick cause they know nothing is getting passed him downlow. Bernier will stay up longer and wait it out before he commits which is a bit different and a nice change of pace for the Kings defense.
Still missing our two big PK guys but all in all our forwards and defense are helping our goalies look solid so far. Quick can be better but surgery can put you back a few notches so with time he’ll be back on track while Bernier keeps rollin rollin rollin.
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Bernier will be gone next year….As a RFA someone will offer him a contract that the Kings cant match due to the salary cap.The only choice would be to amnesty Quick or trade Quick.Not enough money to keep both.Quick would get you more in a trade and Bernier would costs less in a yearly contract….But do you do that to Quick???
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Gustavo Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
@Neil,
Yes, of course you do that to Quick. It’s the side of the business that nobody likes, but everyone understands. If Gretzky can be traded, so can anyone else. Period.
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vplaza Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
@Gustavo,
Well, the Kings just got two guys from Philly who had fairly long term deals that they had recently signed with Philly, only to find themselves traded.
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bradapiller Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
@Neil, i was thinking the same thing. It would also be nice to unload Doughtys 8 mil contract but i dont think anyone would take him at this point.
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DLB Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
@bradapiller, It’s a seven million *cap hit* and there would be GMs lining up.
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Shotongoal Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
@bradapiller, unbelievable. Hockey genius!
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goaliemom Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
@Neil, would you shoot yourself in the foot? trading Quick shouldn’t even be coming up…….
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Neil Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
@goaliemom, It needs to come up…..or you just get very little for Bernier. Iam not saying the Kings would do it…BUT they need to look at every scenario…Right??
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Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
@goaliemom, I’m guessing by your question that you’ve never seen the multiple pellet holes in the only pair of shoes that mrs @neil would buy for him!
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goaliemom Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
@Duncanz, which Neil?
Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
@goaliemom, It’s the same @n/Neil.
He has a pair of tags on here, just like his single pair of shoes.
jordan Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
@Neil, DL did it to Jack Johnson, who’s to say anyone is safe from being traded? i surely wouldnt expect it but anything is possible
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Cesar Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
@jordan, The Kings defense has not played well when Quick has been in goal. This is the reason why it appears that he has lost a step or two. It seems to me that the Kings defense around Bernier has played better than when Quick is in goal. This should not take away from Quick’s last season performance.
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Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
@Cesar, It’s an injust’ice, it isss..
chuckie Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
@Neil, The Kings began playing well last night when Bernier started headlining the puck up the ice instead of waiting for the defense to come back and muck about with it.
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Duckbasher Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
@chuckie, Very good call. Having a guy in net with good puck handling skills (who can make crisp outlet passes) is like having an extra guy back on D. We all know that Quicker’s puck handling skills are not good (understatement?). All that said… Quick is probably the best overall athlete on the team. So I’d think that having back issues for sure has had some effect on him. It’s all good. We have the best 1-2 goaltending tandem in the league. And that’s saying a LOT.
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I seriously doubt he is traded at the deadline. The compressed schedule is perfect for both goalies getting a good amount of games each. Quick coming back from surgery needs overall time to heal, not just physically. And making them compete for the #1 spot is the best thing for both of them to bring their A game as often as humanly possible.
If there is a trade it will be after the season is over.
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KOHO Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
@Gustavo, No need to trade him yet though Philly would probably trade 5 guys for him. lol
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DesertKing Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
@KOHO,
I love Star Wars, but having a goalie who feels the need to put that on his mask would worry me as a GM. That, and when you do roomcheck on the road, you find him wearing “Toy Story” pajamas.
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KOHO Reply:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:23 am
@DesertKing, LOL! What was that line from Slap Shot? “They brought their #$%@&%$ toys”!
Gustavo Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
@Gustavo,
I meant Bernier, not Quick
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I am still concerned reference JB’s ability. I believe he has only had two games where he has faced more than 20 shots and he got shelled in the first one. As I said before, DS is using JB and JQ perfectly, putting JB in against low octane offenses that suit his relaxed but technical skill set. He save JQ for those teams that are high octance and require a significant amount of movement to prevent goals. When JB is in net, it seems our defense plays better in front of him, but that is, in reality, just our defense shutting down an inferior offense. With JQ, the defense seems to play not as well, but that is because JQ’s opponents are the nhigh powered offenses that even good defenses struggle against.
What we really have here is just great coaching and proper use of personnel. Comparing JQ’s and JB’s performances to each other isn’t accurate, because of how DS uses them and the lock-out shortened season with condensed scheduling and no interconference games. If this was a regular season, then we might be able to make some comparisons.
DS has one goal – repeat as Stanley Cup champions, not promote one goalie over another or favor one player or players more than any others. Win the Cup and let the pieces fall where they may when the season is over, that is what DS believes in.
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Gustavo Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
@DesertKing,
+1
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kings714 Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
@DesertKing, good post
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vplaza Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
@DesertKing,
Methinks you’re not giving JB enough credit. Sure, his lone loss against Anaslime was bad, but he’s beaten St. Louis (58 goals), Detroit (59 goals), and Calgary (57 goals). Those teams are not necessarily low octane. Yes, he’s also beaten Nashville, and Columbus, but saying JB is only effective against certain teams takes away from his accomplishments, I think.
Don’t forget, Quick also lost to Detroit and Nashville this year convincingly.
A GAA of 1.00 in the last six games? I don’t think that’s easily done even if you play CBJ six games in a row.
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Mars Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
@vplaza, I am not good at the stats, whom could do a good breakdown of shots faced and shots blocked between the two netminders?
I can only say I feel that JB has had much better support in the games he has played.
The D really seem to block more and let less get through.
But being paranoid I also see this as a DS/DL strategy, gotta get great value for a great guy.
Dont get me wrong, I wish we could keep both. I just do not think JB wants to play second fiddle or shared duties.
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vplaza Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
@Mars,
I don’t know where to get the shots blocked, but DesertKing was just a little off about how many games JB has played where he faced 20 or more shots. Bernier has faced 19, 33, 27, 13, 22, and 21 shots in his six games. The 21 against Anaslime was in relief of JQ, who faced three shots and allowed 2 goals against them.
If JB has faced an average of 22.5 shots per game. JQ has faced an average of 24.3 shots per game.
Now, I agree that a goaltender’s results is dependent on the play of the team in front of him in support. But that isn’t the only factor. He has to make the saves that he’s supposed to in order to keep his team in the game.
YoBro Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
@Mars, Again with the “the team played better in front of him” hypothesis. Arrgh!
The team won. It’s as if you’re claiming that because Bernier doesn’t face as many shots as Quick, he has no right to win a game or take any credit for it. Aarrgh again!. Maybe, just maybe, Quick faces more shots because he gives up so many juicy rebounds (this year, so far). Or maybe it’s from when he fabulously mishandles another puck (since day 1). How people cannot accept that we have a goalie who is playing great,is UNDEFEATED as a starter, and is getting US points is completely beyond me…
Go Kings
DLB Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
@DesertKing, Bernier has no control over how many shots the Kings give up, so you can’t hold that against him. But he has kept them in games when the Kings gave up too many chances, especially early. Sutter pointed out he was the difference in the Detroit win, and he was a big factor last night.
He got “shelled” in a game where the team was already down a couple goals when he came off the bench, and the team defense and penalty killing was crap. Overall his body of work has been superior to Quick’s in the early going.
Right now Darryl Sutter is saying great things about Bernier. If he keeps up his play Sutter will continue to use him.
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LT21 Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
@DLB, If we really want to talk about body of play, I think the Bernier supporters would be fighting a losing battle. Who has had the more successful career and just led their team to the Cup? Please people, let’s not compare 5 good games vs. 3 good seasons, a Conn Smythe and a Cup. Bernier has been good as of late but last season, not so much. I would like to stick with the person who has proven to get us to the promise land.
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Mars Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
@DesertKing, Agree entirely!
The comparision and so called “Horse Betting” when we are only 20 games in. (yes shortened season, but still only 20 games) is absurd. We do not need knee jerk reactions.
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Neil Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
@Mars, remember …Bernier was rated much higher then Quick just a few years ago…..He is still very young…
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Mars Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
@Neil, Last year the story was the other way around. I am just seeing a lot of fairweather fanning going on. JQ has had a few rough games, and received nowhere near the same level of support that JB has seen. And everyone is saying they bet on the wrong horse? I find it absurd. It would take a lot more than a few bad games for me to lose faith in anyone on our team.
Pens has had a hard road to redemtion. Why is the road to crapville so short?
DS and DL are building for the long haul, I dont see how we could be so right now minded as well.
Waiting so long for the cup, and how last season felt barely getting in the playoffs, we should know better than to have knee jerk reactions. We are not in panic mode.
shiny Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
@DesertKing, +2 (for tonight’s win)
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DesertKing Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
@shiny,
I’ll take that and the 2 points
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rick Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
@DesertKing, Excellent points. Bernier has a very long way to go before I could even start to think that he is as good as or better than Quick.
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From the moment Bernier came into the league I could see how good he was going to be. The “lazy” style most people see is just him being technically sound and in position to stop the puck. He doesn’t need to be spectacular because he’s always in position. Those crazy desperation saves are made by those who get themselves out of position. Quick is a great goaltender but seems to always get himself out of position. Almost every goal he allows is because he’s had to slide all the way across the crease and is on his belly. My analysis of how the two play is that Bernier the smaller goalie play “bigger” and quick the bigger goalie plays “smaller”.
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KingsGRT Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
@Ryan Espinoza, yes but the really big difference is bernier has yet to show he is capable of stealing a game that we have no right to be in.
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Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
@KingsGRT, Heh heh.
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Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
@KingsGRT, Is 2-27 too far back to remember?
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KingsGRT Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
@Duncanz, minor thievery far from the highway robbery i was referring to.
Ryan Espinoza Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
@KingsGRT, he hasn’t had much of chance has he?
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Cav Pilot Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
@Ryan Espinoza, Poortman, is that you?
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Bang on observation, it’s the apples and oranges debate goalie style…
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goaliemom Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
@goaliemom, actually my reply was for DesertKing…
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DesertKing Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
@goaliemom,
Good analogy.
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I wonder if there is this much tension on Vancouver’s fan pages over their goalie “controversy”
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vplaza Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
@KingsGRT,
Or how about in St. Louis with Elliott and Halak?
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KingsGRT Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
@vplaza, i think they have a pretty clear cut 1a and 1b there elliot has shown he is only good in small doses.
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vplaza Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
@KingsGRT,
Hmmm…almost sounds like the suggestions being batted around here about JB being good against certain teams…
KingsGRT Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
@vplaza, if thats the only thing people were arguing we wouldn’t be having this conversation lol.
shiny Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
@KingsGRT, I think fans over think situations like this and twist words and plays.to.make a point. I think we should let the coaches do their jobs LOL
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KingsGRT Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
@shiny, i’m with you shiny. I’m just gonna cheer for whoever is in net and let the talking heads say and do what they will. its just amazing how many people thought our Conn Smythe winner should have also won the Vezina and now they are already saying that he is worse than a mostly unproven prospect/backup just cause he is have a rough start in what is already an odd season without him returning from injury.
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Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
@KingsGRT, Perhaps it was different people saying those things.
If Bernier keeps this up, Sutter will have no choice but to use him in the playoffs. And if Bernier leads the kings on a deep playoff run, then who knows what happens after that.
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Cesar Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
@Phil, You must be a fair weathered Kings fan? Only a fan of this of type makes comments like this. If it wasn’t for Quick the Kings would not have won the Stanley Cup! How quickly people forget about Quick’s last season performance.
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SDGolfer Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
@Cesar, past performance does not ensure future success.
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Shotongoal Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
@SDGolfer, give me a break!
PRMan Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
@Cesar, Nothing fair-weather about it. Detroit won the Stanley Cup with Mike Vernon (Conn Smythe winner, no less) and then traded him at his height and won the Cup the next year with Chris Osgood.
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Michael J. Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
@PRMan,
I wpouldn’t really compare Mike Vernon, who was on the downside of his career )at least age-wise) and Jonathon Quick in his mid-twenties.
SDGolfer Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
@Shotongoal,
Can you refute that statement?
we all dont know how JB will fair playing a stack of games in a short period of time and with the season being cut short points are at a premium and knowing JQ’s ability to win in the playoffs DS needs to put him back in and get his confidence back..remember last year when our kings were scoring 1-2 goals a game and we were winning those due to JQ’S play i dont see JB holding the fort the way that JQ can…my opinion but what it is doing is upping JB’S value for a possible trade, theres no reason why we could not deal him for a top 4 defencmen with a B goalie as back up. GO KINGS GO FROM MONTREAL…
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Duncanz Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
@michael ryder reads the blog!!
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WHAT IS IT WITH SOME kINGS FANS? Cant you just relish that we now have two outstanding goalies after many years of drought? Every goalie has occasional off days, Quick is no exception. Look at Rinne last night. He and Quick have been neck in neck in excellence. Bernier, thankfully, is getting more goal time this year. So guys, quit the spite balls at our goalies. They deserve your eternal admiration,not denigration..
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goaliemom Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
@Golly gee, hear hear!
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One thing that I’ve noticed is JB is much better at rebound control than he was in past seasons; shots seem to ‘stick’ to him more often. Just a matter of maturing in his craft I guess.
I’m surprised how quickly people are wanting to trade JQ or make JB the #1… too much ‘what have you done for us lately’ here. JQ has proven he’s an elite goalie; JB still has to do so.
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Duckbasher Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
@bbb7, Trade them both and bring back Yutaka Fukufuji!
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debra turull Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
@bbb7, JB knows how to handle a stick. When JQ leaves the goal to go and retrieve a puck, I hold my breath. So is JB playing tonight to showcase his marketbility or is this a test to see what he’s got?
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The thing that people seem to forget about Bernier is that he’s 3 years younger and less than 3 years behind Quick in development. If you compare Bernier is better now than a 24 year old Quick. It’s scary to think how good Bernier could be considering how good Quick is, the difference in age, and the development so far of Bernier.
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KingsGRT Reply:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
@DEH, That might be the stongest case that can be made in bernier’s favor imo
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2 different styles, 2 different goalies, LET THE BEST MAN PLAY!!
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I have questions…
I love my Kings and am happy we have a stacked goalie controversy brewing. That being said the return for JQ would be greater and I am questioning his ack injury and off season surgery. He might not be recovering as expected. I have seen weaknesses in his armor before. Remember the shot he let in from the red line in the playoffs? I like the perfect world where JB takes less $$$ to stay on this winning team. But I’m just a dreamer!
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