Hi friends,
Here’s another podcast for you. In this edition, we take a look at the young career of future Hall of Famer Larry Murphy, who had three big years with the Kings before being traded to Washington for Ken Houston and Brian Engblom on Oct. 18, 1983. Why did the Kings trade the four-time Stanley Cup Champion? Find out by clicking here: The Larry Murphy Trade
In case you’ve missed one of our previous podcasts, we’ve listed them below for your listening pleasure:
Three Kings greats who scored career goal #500 in a Kings uniform: 500 Goals – Click Here
The Kings record-setting 1974-75 season: 1974-75 Season – Click Here
A 1966 radio interview with the Kings’ first owner, Jack Kent Cooke: Jack Kent Cooke – Click Here
And finally…we remember Bernie Nicholls’ 70-goal season: Nicholls’ 70-goal Season – Click Here
Keep the great podcast ideas coming and thanks for listening!
Wow Nick, way to lift us up out of our depression as we await the cancellation of the season by bringing up one of the greatest bumbles in Kings’ history.
What’s next to lift our spirits? “My Visit to Auschwitz”? “A Day With A Meth Addict”? “Poorman: Successes in New York”?
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The Weasel Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@Michael J.,
How about “My Lunch with Gary”
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DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@Michael J.,
The Art of Offense by Terry Murray.
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CB14 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
@DesertKing, No Jamie Kompon / Power Play joke? You must be sick.
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DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
@CB14,
You asked for it – The Brilliance of Perfect Postioning on the Power Play amd Why How It Looks Is More Important Than Scoring Goals.
And yes, I think I feel a cold coming on
Michael J. Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
@DesertKing,
Horror in the Heat: City Ban on Nachos
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DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@Michael J.,
Now I am going to be sick. First hockey and now nachos? The mext thing you will tell me is the Lakers have a sub 500 record. oh, wait……
Michael J. Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
@Michael J.,
A day without hockey is like a day without nachos…
DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
@Michael J.,
How I Helped The Kings Win The Stanley Cup by Brian Hayturd and co-author Steve Tambellini.
CB14 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@DesertKing, The next thing i’ll tell you is the Lakers starting Center lost a shooting contest to the Kings Mascot Bailey, while in full costume BTW.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/dwight-howard-loses-shooting-contest-kings-mascot-bailey-155450213–nhl.html;_ylt=Asq4RGHNPG4o0ESd3Lu0ahomYsp_;_ylu=X3oDMTRycGlsdmdsBGNjb2RlA3ZzaGFyZWFnMgRtaXQDRmVhdHVyZWQgQmxvZ3MgQ09SRQRwa2cDYzliMDI3MjQtNTRkMS0zN2Y4LWFmMWMtN2QyY2Q1NWQ0NmU1BHBvcwMzBHNlYwNNZWRpYUJMaXN0TWl4ZWRMUENBVGVtcAR2ZXIDOTNkYzJiMTAtMzk5Yi0xMWUyLWFlN2YtMTIwYjg3ZDE3Njc3;_ylg=X3oDMTM2YWNoNGpkBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDYmIxZjk5NTItNjk1ZC0zYjE2LWFiODItM2ZkNGZmYTI3NGI5BHBzdGNhdANuYmF8YmFsbGRvbi0zOS10bGllBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ–;_ylv=3
luc20rules Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
@Michael J., Yes, nothing like a good kick to the family jewels to take your mind off your troubles.
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DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
@luc20rules,
And everything else………..
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Edward Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am
@Michael J., Greatest bumbles in Kings history???? My word, how one’s memory is so poor! Larry Murphy was booed out of Los Angeles!!! Seems that Kings fans always had one player who was in the fan’s doghouse and no one got more heat than Larry! More heat than Hardy, Korab or Murdoch! Insane!
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Shakes Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@Michael J., that’s hilarious Michael, you literally made me spit out the potato chip i was eating
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How depressing.
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Hey, did they sign a new CBA? The Kings are kicking the crap out of St Louis on the NHL Network.
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Michael J. Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@DesertKing,
BTW, gave that guy who used to work here a shout out from a few on here at his new job.
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Michael J. Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@Michael J.,
he says “hello”
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DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
@Michael J.,
Rich? Is, is, is th, th, that really you?
DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@Michael J.,
How to Show Class and Professionalism When Confronted By Egotistical Evil Loads by Rich Hammond
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Thanks for the podcasts Nick, I always enjoy them.
Here’s a link to a nice little article about Westy and the CBA negotiations. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/picture-bettman-on-the-couch-of-a-fightershrink/article5750160/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=Referrer:+Social+Network+/+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links
I don’t think the guy writing the article works for an NHL team, so he should be ok.
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I just posted a comment, but the link I included apparently isn’t allowed, so it’s in moderation land. Who knows how long it’ll be there, so I’ll write it again without the link.
According to Forbes, the NHL made $250 million in profit last season. The top earning team was the Maple Leafs with 81.9 million in profit, while the Coyotes were at the bottom of the league with a loss of 20.6 million.
You remember in the current CBA negotiations how the PA wanted significantly more revenue sharing between the teams, 260 million total, while the league didn’t? Well, the Maple leafs made more in profit, 81.9 million, than the Islanders took in total revenues, 66 million. But no, we don’t need more revenue sharing.
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Lake Forest Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
@CB14, Linked worked for me! Thanks.
Much adu about nothing though.
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Lake Forest Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
@CB14, I can easily see the owners side on this issue rather than the PA’s. As a owner making money, whether a lot or a little, I would not want to share my profits with anyone. Why should I?
What should be corrected is moving teams out of the a$$hole of america’s cities. aka Glendale.
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Amazing. Not one of you fellow bloggers wants to comment on Larry Murphy. Talk about a great talent! Yah, that was a great move by the organization…..NOT.
Thats how many of you would have felt if Dean Lombardi shipped Dewey outta here….PISSED OFF!
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The Weasel Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
@puck73,
I recall a ton of people asking DL to move DD right after he re-signed.
After they traded Butch Goring I didn’t really pick another favorite Kings player until Steve Duchense came up and that worked out the same way.
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CB14 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@puck73, I can’t really comment on Larry Murphy because I was in diapers when he played his last game with the Kings.
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KC23 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
@puck73, Never wanted to see DD moved, but I can’t help but still resent him a bit for his lame hold out. Not a huge fan, but one cannot deny his talent level.
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DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
@puck73,
You are right, I would have been PO’d because then I would have had to get a new Back-In-Black jersey.
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variable Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
@puck73,
that was a doozy, no doubt…
still, the kings made one of the worst trades ever in professional sports when they basically gave away gretzky to the blues…
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I’ve heard of alot of athletes being charged with a DUI, but this one is special. Detroit Red Wings prospect Riley Sheahan was pulled over in Grand Rapids Michigan and registered a .30 on the breathalizer. That’s nearly 4 times the legal limit for an adult, but he isn’t 21 yet. The .30 blood alcohol level means he was being charged as a “super drunk”. The 20 year old either borrored or stole his 23 year old teammates id, also a Red Wings prospect, and claimed it was his own upon arrest. And to top it all off, he was wearing a purple Teletubby outfit. It doesn’t get any better then that.
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DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
@CB14,
It would have been better if he was wearing a Duck’s jersey over the the teletubby outfit and a Gary Bettman mask.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
@CB14,
Geez, you’re right……that one IS special!
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Scuderi interview.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8683079&s=espn
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DesertKing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
@luc20rules,
Scuds = Complete Professional = Stanley Cup
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luc20rules Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
@DesertKing,
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Forbes values what NHL Teams are worth.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/20419/forbes-nhl-team-values
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Thanks so much Nick it was great to hear you and Jim’s voice, and very interesting too
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OMG!! I cannot believe that the Kings games are playing on two different channels right now. No wonder Bettman is so confused and disoriented.
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thanks, NICK, for the legal flashback…
i pulled a paragraph out of espn’s katie strang’s article today..:
“Multiple sources told ESPN that both sides are not overly optimistic that an agreement will be reached through mediation.”
alllll-righty, then…
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I could probably find multiple sources that say both sides think the other should be tarred and feathered on site.
This guy gets it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl–hey–nhl—nhlpa–let-mediator-lead-you-to-middle-ground-and-make-a-deal-233105566.html
But, he did forget Bettman and Owners want to crush the players spirt. Personally, I am beginning to think Union decertification is the route. The anomosity that has developed will likely lead to it playing out in the courts even if the NHL offers reasonable deals once its in the courts. I won’t be loosing any sleep if the players get paid 70 to 300% for the lockout term. Bettman and the owners have earned this in my book.
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variable Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
@luc20rules,
…and there’s no realistic end in sight…
decertification would be chaos…every man, woman, child and fan for themselves…
i honestly don’t even think it’s a viable leverage point for the players…
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The trade of Larry Murphy was a real low point in the Kings history. LM was a great player that could play in any era & was the type of player you build a team around, not trade away.
Regarding the lockout, at this point I just want the season cancelled. Screw both sides this year. I really don’t want to be part of a bogus 40 game season cash grab by these you know whats! Cancel this season & work on a deal that is longer than a measley 6-years. We fans should not have to even think about any more NHL labor issues for at least a decade!
Happy Holidays to all you Kings Fans, Bob, Jim, Nick & Daryl!!!
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Forum Gold Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 7:11 am
@King Alex, +1.
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Clifford with 2 goals in the first period of his first game with the Reign.
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When the NHL comes.to an end, the last team to win the Cup will be the Kings and the last player to.score a goal will be Matt Greene. Maybe the Mayans are right.
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The Weasel Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 10:44 am
@DesertKing,
The Cubs are still the Cubs – there will be a tomorrow – and there will be hockey…someday.
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I had a friend just text me saying that David Courtney, voice of the Kings, passed away this morning. I don’t know any details, or if it’s even true, but what a loss if it is. Irreplaceable.
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puddle Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@Scot, I had a friend text me the same. Very sad.
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Shakes Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@Scot, Bettman’s responsible for Mr. Courtney not being able to be a part of our banner raising ceremony which at some point in our lives, will happen.
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Paul From Ventura Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 10:48 am
I’m stunned to hear this. To me David Courtney’s voice is as much a part of the Kings as Bob Miller. What a horrible development.
RIP David. You’ll be missed.
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David Courtney, longtime PA announcer for the Kings & also for the Angels & Clippers passed away today. A sad day in the Kingdom.
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Michael J. Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@Kingsfanone,
He tweeted yeasterday that he was in the hospital awaiting an angiogram… sad day…
https://twitter.com/sportsvoiceLA
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GailWeb Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
@Michael J., Oh my g-d this is so sad and too hard to bear, oh my
RIP you were a great man and a great voice, I loved to hear you at the Angels games and Kings too, for all these years, my prayers go out to his family members!
RIP Voice of our LA Kings Stanley Cup Champs!
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GailWeb Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
@Kingsfanone, Oh my goodness please tell me this is not true he just had a Birthday and is so young is he not in his 50′s, this cannot be?
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variable Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
@Kingsfanone,
very, very sad to hear…
he had a great professional and unmistakable voice that commanded attention…
always jovial in person and genuine…
yes, it’s a sad day in the KINGdom, indeed…
condolences to his family, friends and the kings organization…
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Kingsfanone Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
@Kingsfanone,
For those without Twitter, apparently he had shortness of breath the nite before and checked into a hospital. He was indeed awaiting having an angiogram done when he passed away this morning. Gann Matsuda wrote his wife Janet called Bob Miller to notify him.It appears to have been a pulmonary embolism.
David was 54 and will be missed by the Kingdom. Rest In Peace.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
@Kingsfanone,
FYI The Angels have lit the Big A Halo tonite in honor of David, from Twitter.
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Puck73 just broke the news to me about David Courtney. A sad day indeed, R.I.P. David. We all loved you.
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My condolences to the Courtney family, this is a sad day in the kingdom, he will always be a champion R.I.P Mr.Courtney.
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Many of my happiest memories will include his voice. RIP David, you left us while on top as the voice of the stadium vocie of the Stanley Cup champions.
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I cannot believe David’s gone now too…
What the hell…
R.I.P. David. So glad I got to hear your voice during my entire time as a fan and getting to hear you say what mattered at the end of the last game played that I dreamed of for so long hear.
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Wow, what a sad day indeed with the news of Courtney. My respects to his family and friends. I’m glad he at least got to see the Kings win the cup before passing.
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Just came by to share my sadness with fellow Kings fans. Was so shocked to see the tweet from @LAKings with the news about David Courtney. Talk about an LA institution.
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I blame the NHL for this, it broke his heart to not be there to welcome the champs like he was supposed to, GJ NHL DIAF
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Thank you Mr Courtney. Your charm and good nature will be missed.
Damn
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RIP David
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Very disappointed to hear about this tragis news.
David was as professional as they come. He wasn’t a hype machine like you hear throughout other arenas. He was eloquent and never tried to be bigger than the game. His voice complemented our play by play guys on tv and radio it all fit perfectly. His voice was music to the ears of our Kingdom.
RIP Champ!!
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DesertKing Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@KOHO,
+1
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IceGuy Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 8:19 am
@KOHO,
For the longest time, I pleaded with the Kings to “win the Cup for Bob”.
Who knew that the effort was for Bob AND David?
“Dear Lord, the Voice of Your Los Angeles Kings!”
Best thoughts to Janet & family.
RIP
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It would be great to have Rich come back and do one more piece on this guy.
I’m sure it would be a great read!
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Forum Gold Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
@KOHO, Nice idea but I do not think it will happen. Bob Miller was very close to David so let’s hope we get a story from him.
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KOHO Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
@Forum Gold,
Even a better idea.
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RIP Mr.Courtney
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I always like yelling…”Los Angeles goal by…” when ever the Kings scored…man Iam sad….
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wow… haven’t chimed in in a while…but i see, it is business as not as usual…where the NHL.com doesn’t have any news about the on-going lock-out…it, along with NHL network and other major sport networks…just a blarb on the bottom line about how mediators have concluded that both sides are too far apart…so obviously, the NHL is not a big enough major sport to warrant a huge amount of coverage on labor disputes everyday, like what happened in football or in basketball recently…For this, I have stopped trying to pimp the sport…for this, I am ashamed that the sport I love so dearly has such a hard time playing the game at the highest level…the only level, in my opinion, that makes this sport a spectical…ie,…the only level to watch…
…so, I am left with horrible whl games on NHL network…or, when they are supposed be showing Stanley cup action from last year…I get to watch the Caps and the Rangers…or the Devils and Florida…or even worse…the year before…when Boston won it all…Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t the Kings win the Stanley Cup this year?
…and that’s just it…I am still waiting for that banner to go up in Staples center…and still I am waiting…That will close the book on that chapter so the Kings can go on a write another…but because of labor strife I am left here to sit and ponder…and when I ponder i think things like…”why do I even waste my time caring about this”…what’s in it for me? NADA…I am the ultimate pawn in this game between millionares and billionares who need to take their collective heads out of their arses and quick…or you will lose me
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So I haven’t been here for a while (other than to read) but I thought I’d add something here to the discussion.
I could go on and on about the lockout and make myself more angry but I won’t. I even stopped looking everyday at noon to see if it has reached a conclusion thinking I was jinxing it. What I will comment on is an observation I just made about the last few weeks of hockey we have seen.
I (as I’m sure many of you are) am watching the replays of all the kings post season wins which they are replaying on fox sports. Actually I’m putting them on the DVR and watching them each at least twice. I have found that without the stress involved in the first live watching I can see and appreciate a lt of stuff that was missed in the first run through. Here are a few points I hae noticed, any thoughts or opinions are welcome;
Drew doughty was absolutely stellar on the latter rounds both defensively and on the rush. He broke up a few clear cut 2:1s where the opponent didn’t even get a shot off. He directly created two goals in one game vs phx (scored one) just when the team needed it. Also everyone remembers his end to end goal but seeing it again is always fun. I was with everyone when they were calling for more from him early on in the regur season but I really liked his game in rounds 2-4.
Second point is how good Trevor Lewis was throughout the playoffs. He really played like a player 30lbs bigger than he really is. He took a bunch of HUGE hits to make plays and lost some blood on more than one occasion. Also I must have been watching one of the games vs phx in a bar with no sound because I just heard something the announcer said for the first time. He was quoting Shane doan (I know I hate him mostly too) saying that he really likes “this Lewis kid”. Good to have a compliment from a veteran of his skill level (all antics and poor sportsmanship aside).
On the negative side I noticed a few too many lazy or “wishful thinking” plays by Richards and carter that led to outnumbered attacks for the opponent. I play in winter league myself and have for years so I know that sometimes you have to take a chance to make that perfect play. I also realize that with how quick was playing its sometimes a risk worth taking but I just saw a few too many that looked lazy. Hopefully when we get back on the ice (probably 2015 hahah) they will be back to their old scoring selves again.
Any thoughts from whoever is left here?
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DesertKing Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
@Cortex949,
Reference DD, yes, he showed he was worth the big contract.
Reference Lewis, completely agree.
Reference Richards and Carter, they brought us just what we needed, great offesnive capability with just a touch of unpredictability which doesn’t always work, but works more often than it doesn’t. When you have the best goalie in the game and the best defense in the league behind you, you can afford to try some “wishful thinking” plays and I have a feeling that DS told them that.
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Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
@Cortex949, Agree with your comments but must add:
Dwight King was beyond his years in a lot of those situations. I’ve been watching those games like one a day every day and his puck possession and decision making was outstanding.
AMart was more physical than I had ever seen him.
Greenie was his most determined… i enjoy watching our 3rd pairing rough people up!
Kopi was a beast in all zones!!! laid the body all over the place and took some big hits as well. His passing and defense were top notch!
as I watch those games I find myself marvelling at all the little things done by so many p’ayers that were done the right way. so many little chips, or seals, or sticks in lanes…
overall, such an impressive run, and if it turns out to be the last playoff in NHL history, SO BE IT!
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Watching Game #6 again and listening to the incredible voice of David Courtney. We are really going to miss him.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
November 29th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
@DesertKing,
I totally agree! What a sad day.
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Very sad to hear of David Courtney’s passing. A great announcer that added to the whole experience. He will be missed and has left huge shoes to fill. He will rest a Champion. Thanks for the memories!
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RIP David Courtney! Will always remember his voice.
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Needed a day to think about this. The passing of David Courtney is another tough blow to us fans. After having to go thru this lockout, the resignition of Rich Hammond, and now the passing of DC, it is really starting to rain on our championship Euphoria.
Growing up in So Cal in the 1970′s. John Ramsey was an institution around here. He was the PA voice of The Rams, Lakers, Kings, Dodgers, and Angels…He was everywhere! His voice was so iconic, kinda like John Facenda of NFL films. I honestly didnt care for Courtney when he first took this gig in 1989. But he grew on me more quickly then I would have imagined, and now, like Ramsey, I cant imagine a game without him.
A big regret now is not listening to him when the NHL resumes, in particular on opening night when the Kings raise the banner, and receive their rings. My condolences to his family and friends, and the many Kings, Clipper, and Angels fans who will truly miss his voice and presence.
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King Alex Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@puck73, It seems as though our 1st Stanley Cup has come at a tremendous cost. First the lock-out then the loss of Rich Hammond directly because of the lock-out and now the tragic passing of David Courtney. The gloomy dark skies are in So. Cal for a reason. I am looking forward to sunny skies and good news soon to shake this negativity since our cup win.
David Courtney was taken at way to early of an age. Bless you David, your family, friends & fans. You will be missed and the games will not be the same without you!
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Kings Fan In Temecula Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:12 am
@King Alex, hmmm-hmmm, thats exactly what i was thinking too, in hindsight these days, seems like the cost of winning our first cup and championship was indeed higher than anybody could imagine, such a strange turn of events, not exactly equivalent exchange
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DesertKing Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 11:02 am
@puck73,
+1
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Forum Gold Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
@puck73, +1 to both of you. Ditto on John Ramsey.
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Goring 19 Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
@puck73, agreed.
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variable Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
@puck73,
well said, buddy…:)
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Players and owners to meet?
If anyone hears anything let us know.
Goldielocks – I’m looking at you =)
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This Blog has ceased to be a go to source for information surrounding the team. No official post here about David’s passing. This is an embarrasment, if the Kings mean this forum to be meaningful as is had been in the past. I go here before anywhere else for Kings related news.
It is a doubly sad day, we lose Courtney our voice, and this blog.
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@dana l, Im surprised myself there is no thread about David Courtney passing away.I fear the days of prompt kings related reportintg here on the Insider are long gone…at least until they find a replacement for Rich. Im not holding my breath though…
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CNL Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@dana l, It’s sad that there’s no mention here yet, but at least the front page of LAKings.com has a tribute to him.
I can certainly understand though why the team hasn’t hired a replacement or posted more on here. There’s simply nothing to report: there’s no NHL and won’t be for the foreseeable future.
It would be nice to get some updates about what Kings players (such as Kopi and Brown) are doing in Europe, but I’m not even sure how the team could get meaningful information, since all employees are banned from speaking with players. At least if there’s never another NHL game played, the Kings went out on top.
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dana l Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
@CNL, I agree, but the newspapers have more information. At lease Helene Elliott let us know it was a Pulminary Embolism, and he was driving from home to Staples to annouce the Cippers game. Had shortness of breath and took himself to the hospital.
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variable Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
@dana l,
+1000…
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GoKingsGo Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:17 am
@dana l, i totally agree and are very upset that there is no mention of David passing, i am very sad still am sad that he will not be there to raise the banner. but not to even mention anything and its almost Saturday its very upsetting and sad. You will be missed not just by me but everyone who had the honor of hearing your voice.
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I would like to also pass along my condolences to the Courtney’s. Thank you LA Kings for having David all these years for us to enjoy hearing “Ladies and gentlemen your Los Angeles Kings”
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Very saddened by the loss of David Courtney. It’s a shame he wasn’t calling Kings games right now but at least his last game was when the Kings won the Cup.
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It’s a sad state of affairs when fact is fiction and T.V., reality.
Thoughts and prayers to the Courtney family. It was a while back when I was at an Angel game that I realized that this guy was really the live voice of the So Cal sports scene.
Any speculation as to who is going to replace him…..at least for the Angel’s season?
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Larry was a very gifted player who fit in well with all the Kings and I think raised them all to a much better game. I was really sad when they traded him for no reason, Maquire could of given him a better offer but the NHL would not of supported it. I’m happy Larry is still with the NHL in his capacity in Toronto.
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Watching the Monarch’s game tonight on streaming (AHL Live).
Toffoli gets his 10th!
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KC23 Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
@KC23, King picks his pocket in front of their net, slides it over to a wide open Cliche for the easy wrister into the open net. 3 – 0 Manchester.
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KC23 Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
@KC23, ugh, epic choke as Jones gives up 5 goals in the 3rd.
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Kings Fan In Temecula Reply:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 am
@KC23, whats there to choke on in the AHL?
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RIP David Courtney. If there is a bright spot it is that he saw the LA Kings win the Cup.
Mediation failed, but my guess is that the last words of the Mediator were you two(Bettman-Fehr) have to remove yourselves from the equation or this will remain at an impasse.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/20499/debate-benefits-of-players-owners-meeting
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no offense to NICK, DARYL and JIM….but…
not having a separate thread on the passing of MR. COURTNEY so that we, the fans, can pay proper tribute to him and his remarkable career is unacceptable…
i realize that there’s a gag order stifling any NHL employee to talk about the lockout…but this has nothing to do with that mess…this is solely a humanity issue, something that deserved this site’s attention…
i cannot think of one reason why (other than at the request of MR. COURTNEY’S family) nothing has been mentioned on here by the “editorial staff” about his passing and what he meant to not only the kings, but to the entire sportscasting landscape of los angeles…
i enjoy the fluff/features/podcasts/articles written on here by all of the contributors during this never-ending “ïnterim” blog transition and lockout…
but not acknowledging MR. COURTNEY’S passing on this site is just plain wrong…and very surprising…i just don’t get it…
DAVID COURTNEY deserved better…and so do we, the fans…
this was not a time to bury heads in the ocean sand and pretend that he didn’t mean anything to the organization and fans…this organization is better than the way they have handled his passing…it’s a real shame and inexplicable…
and if the NHL mandated that this site couldn’t even report on one of their own family members passing away, what does that say about the league and its character…?
it’s very disappointing and disturbing…
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Forum Gold Reply:
November 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
@variable, Post of the day.
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GoKingsGo Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:21 am
@Forum Gold, totally agree
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Michael J. Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:47 am
@variable,
Yup.
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Neil Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
@Michael J., agree big time…..
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Sancho Reply:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@variable, I agree 100%! To me, it’s just a shame that this has been ignored.
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Lockout: Sadly, it’s looking more and more like there is not going to be a season. It is good that some outside mediation is being brought in but unfortunately with nothing said mediators suggest being binding on either the NHL or he NHLPA I’m not holding my breath for hockey at this point.
Larry Murphy: It’s easy to “Monday morning Quarterback” this trade some 30 years later and call it a bonehead move but the sad truth is at that time the Kings could not have kept a beachball out of their own net. Something had to be done to improve that situation and Engblom was among the best defensive defenseman available. Now obviously there were other factors (the goaltending was God Awful, Edmonton was in the same division at the time, score first and backcheck only to protect a 4 goal lead was the style of the day) and the trade backfired big time but I just can’t see it as a case of management should have known better at the time it happened.
David Courtney: Wow. So unexpected, he should have had another 25 or 30 years ahead of him. A fitting end that his last Kings game was the cup winner. (And please, please, stop getting all wound up “that there is nothing on this blog about it”. Because 1) Rich Hammond would have been on top of it but unfortunately he’s not here, 2) give it a chance he *just* passed away, and 3) they are allowing US to post which is the most important thing, albeit not the topic of the thread.)
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Kingsfanone Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:10 am
@HockeyNerd,
We’ll said!
I would also add that nothing’s been said about DC officially yet on here is they haven’t replaced Rich with anyone either.
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variable Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:22 am
@HockeyNerd,
no…i’m sorry…i disagree with you regarding DAVID COURTNEY…
first, let me just state that i am not blaming BOB, NICK, JIM or DARYL in anyway, because i do believe they are not paid to report…they are here to do what they’ve been asked to do – provide entertainment, features and stories about the organization’s philanthropic events…
however, MR. COURTNEY was employed by the kings for decades – he was not an l.a. kings outsider – he was the voice for the kings at both the forum and the staples center…and we all know he “freelanced” with the angels and the clippers, too…
and, i’m sorry again, yr wrong – they (whomever has the final say on this site now) decided not to even inform longtime bloggers of his passing…it doesn’t matter that this site doesn’t have a paid “reporter” at this point…what matters is that they didn’t have the courtesy to post a thread on a site that thousands of people read on a daily basis for kings information – notice, i didn’t say “news”….
tell me, if someone’s god forbid something happened to BOB or NICK, would that information get “posted” on this site…?…how about anyone else connected to the kings family that was an integral part of the live game experience or the team – should the news of their passing be neglected and/or preempted because this site doesn’t have a reporter…?
what about if something unfortunately happened to a player…would that constitute a “mention” on this site…?
with all due respect to BOB, NICK, JIM and DARYL – all of them are fantastic at what they do – are they not even allowed to pontificate, express emotion and sorrow for their loss on a site that they are now a part of…?
issuing a press release was what the organization did…i got the newsletter sent to me just like everyone else who has registered for it…but i still feel that if this blog wants to keep its clout and credentials relevant as a genuine source of information for all-things-kings related, then they failed miserably this time around…
this has nothing to do with the lockout…
this has nothing to do with the absence of RICH or the lack of a reporter on this site…
this has EVERYTHING to do with continuity, comfort and compassion…
this has EVERYTHING to do with being human…
and the mere fact that it hasn’t been addressed appropriately or at all on this site demonstrates a sea change of the execution and purpose of this site that makes it become more novelty than relevant….
again, i do think the decision about not releasing a statement on here was solely made by upper kings management…perhaps people above MIKE ALTIERI, who is the team’s official spokesperson…
unless it was at the request of the COURTNEY family not to print it here, there really isn’t a valid excuse for the kings not to partake in paying tribute in a timely fashion here to a man who served them as long and as splendid as MR. COURTNEY did….
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HockeyNerd Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:26 am
@variable, You’re getting all wound up about a lot of stuff and your post contains a lot of speculation. Sorry, but the fact that there is not a full time person who runs this blog has EVERYTHING to do with the fact it is not being mentioned here. Furthermore if you go to the main Kings website, the news is there and there is a statement. You’re getting upset because you’re not seeing a thread that YOU want, then in your disappointment throwing all sorts of judgements and speculations about the motives involved. And you don’t know whether or not these things are true. Relax.
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variable Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
@HockeyNerd,
wound up….?
that’s a little extreme…this is a blog, so unless you can hear my tone and witness my demeanor, i don’t think you can make that judgment…i’m cool as a cucumber…(!)
and since this is a blog, we are allowed to speculate and hypothesize – that’s what you, me and mostly everyone else does on here….
as far as not having a full-time person running the blog, i estimate the time to post the same statement on here as they chose to do so on their site would take about 2-3 minutes…i don’t think you need a full-time employee or reporter to handle a single post…
to me, it’s more about respect than anything else…if the kings management felt that its site was sufficient enough to address the loss, i disagree…
we have established a bonafide community of kings fans on here…you know that many visitors solely rely on this blog for their kings information…in fact, at times, more people visit this site than the kings official site…so there’s validity to my stance…
and i would bet that the majority of bloggers who participate on here would want a thread on this blog – i know i’m not alone…
i guess we just agree to disagree on this one, buddy…and that’s cool…:)
variable Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:36 am
@HockeyNerd,
@HockeyNerd,
no…i’m sorry…i disagree with you regarding David Courtney…
first, let me just state that i am not blaming Bob, Nick, Jim or Daryl in anyway, because i do believe they are not paid to report…they are here to do what they’ve been asked to do – provide entertainment, features and stories about the organization’s philanthropic events…
however, Mr.Courtney was employed by the kings for decades – he was not an l.a. kings outsider – he was the voice for the kings at both the forum and the staples center…and we all know he “freelanced” with the angels and the clippers, too…
and, i’m sorry again, yr wrong – they (whomever has the final say on this site now) decided not to even inform longtime bloggers of his passing…it doesn’t matter that this site doesn’t have a paid “reporter” at this point…what matters is that they didn’t have the courtesy to post a thread on a site that thousands of people read on a daily basis for kings information – notice, i didn’t say “news”….
tell me, if someone’s god forbid something happened to BOB or NICK, would that information get “posted” on this site…?…how about anyone else connected to the kings family that was an integral part of the live game experience or the team – should the news of their passing be neglected and/or preempted because this site doesn’t have a reporter…?
what about if something unfortunately happened to a player…would that constitute a “mention” on this site…?
with all due respect to Bob, Nick, Jim and Daryl – all of them are fantastic at what they do – are they not even allowed to pontificate, express emotion and sorrow for their loss on a site that they are now a part of…?
issuing a press release was what the organization did…i got the newsletter sent to me just like everyone else who has registered for it…but i still feel that if this blog wants to keep its clout and credentials relevant as a genuine source of information for all-things-kings related, then they failed miserably this time around…
this has nothing to do with the lockout…
this has nothing to do with the absence of Rich or the lack of a reporter on this site…
this has everything to do with continuity, comfort and compassion…
this has everything to do with being human…
and the mere fact that it hasn’t been addressed appropriately or at all on this site demonstrates a sea change of the execution and purpose of this site that makes it become more novelty than relevant….
again, i do think the decision about not releasing a statement on here was solely made by upper kings management…perhaps people above Mike Altieri, who is the team’s official spokesperson…
unless it was at the request of the Courtney family not to print it here, there really isn’t a valid excuse for the kings not to partake in paying tribute in a timely fashion here to a man who served them as long and as splendid as Mr. Courtney did….
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anyone know or find out if there is going to be a memorial for DC please pass it along if you can.
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It appears the commisioners of the 4 major sports keep trying to top each other with their stupidity. First Gary Bettman locks out the players while the NHL owners made 250 million dollars in profit last year. Then Bud Selig allows the Miami Marlins to desecrate their entire team, and what little fans they had, by trading away mostly all of their best players in an effort to cut costs, a year after they moved into a stadium built for them by public dollars under the promise that they would increase their payroll in an effort to try and put a winning team on the field. That promise lasted for about 9 months. Next, David Stern fines the San Antonio Spurs $250,000 because a 4 time champion head coach chose to rest his star players for a game. According to David Stern, a head coach doesn’t get to decide who plays and who doesn’t, that’s the commisioners job now. Lastly, and most sadly, Roger Goddell has decided not to postpone the Kansas City Chiefs – Carolina Panthers game after a Chiefs player killed his girlfriend and then drove to the teams stadium and took his own life in front of his Head Coach and GM. There is no reason to play this game, none what so ever.
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Michael J. Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am
@CB14,
The problem with the Marlins is that the owner’s son is the GM and he is clearly not qualified for the job. I know some people who work for that organization and the agree that the owner’s son is the downfall of the franchise.
The Chief’s thing is difficult. They might have postponed the game until Monday, but it has to be played. It sucks, but that is life in a 16 game league.
Didn’t Penner tweet something about Sterm being the dunbest commissioner? And he knows about dumb commissioners!
That’s my uninformed statement
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Neil Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@Michael J., agree with Stern….You owe it to the fans(just like the NHL and owners owe it to us to play Hockey)S.A. only comes to Miami once a year….I was looking forward to watching that game till I found out who wasnt playing. Think if Crosby came to town and pitts burgh rested him….It sets a bad precedent in Sports…Imagine if all the Basketball teams started doing that …Lakers in town tonight and Kobe,Howard etc are not playing….At the prices the fans pay you expect to see the stars….
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DesertKing Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
@Neil,
If Pittsburgh came to town and scratched Crosby for the game, I would actually be happy since I would prefer to see my team win rather the other team’s superstars do well.
HockeyNerd Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@Neil, uh, NO.
The only thing the fans are “entitled to” is to see the players THE COACH CHOOSES TO PLAY. What do you think would happen here if say, we had a road game in Toronto and Bettman “ordered” Sutter to start Quick because “the Leaf fans paid good money to see Quick”….. and Quick got hurt and was finished for the season? We’d call for Bettman’s head (everyone does anyway but that’s not the point here) and as well we should!!!!!
The fans do not get to select who gets to play any more than the commissioner does. Sorry, but that’s how it works. If team A feels they can afford to rest certain players when it visits team B maybe team B needs to get it together and improve.
Neil Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@Neil, It like going to a play…if an under study is performing you can get your money back.NBA is a league of stars and if Iam going to a game ..I want the stars.Could you imagine if you have a son/daughter and went to see Lebron play(and you paid top money and was only once that year he was coming to town)and Lebron was sent home to rest….I would be pissed. The fans support the league and should NEVER be forgotten about…
HockeyNerd Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@Neil, You are comparing Apples and Oranges. That may be what a theater CHOOSES to do. Sports is different. When you bought those tickets there was no promise of a refund if Lebron was hurt. You are guaranteed to see at least 14 players, of whom each team has deemed 7 of whom worthy to play in the NBA. That’s the only Guarantee you ever got and that’s the only guarantee you SHOULD get. Otherwise, you are opening up a Pandora’s box. Who then gets to decide if the visiting team played “enough” of their star players for “enough” time?
HockeyNerd Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
@CB14, I really don’t follow the other 3 sports much, so it’s not worth as much, but I’ll throw my two cents in:
Selig — I do have to say that it SEEMS that you are inconsistent if you are criticizing Stern for doing something similar to what you WANT Selig to do. In any case, I think there are limits to what you can force owners to do (or not do) and its dangerous ground to tread. Of course, usually these same idiot owners WANT rules put in place protecting themselves from themselves. *Sigh*
Goddell — Agree 100%. Absolutely nothing is lost by waiting until people’s minds are on the game. And even if I’m Panthers I want to beat a team because we played better, not because my opponents mind was not on the game.
Stern — See above. Agree 100%. David Stern, you do not coach the Spurs and you do not get to decide who plays. Miami fans, if you don’t like it, take it up with YOUR teams management, get a team together that Sam Antonio will not take lightly next time.
Bettman — Hands down, no contest the “stupidity” winner for ANYTHING he does.
It seems a common thread in most of these cases is that these Comissioners fail to act when they clearly should or rules have clearly been broken and DO act when they are clearly stepping outside their bounds. It does not inspire a lot of confidence in their leadership.
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Neil Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:27 pm
@HockeyNerd, Let me throw this out…dont know if it is what i believe or not….What you are saying is that the Teams are bigger then any one player. When you buy a ticket…you are buying a ticket to the game and not who is playing….If that is true…then the owners are right in this situation…right ??? Thanks..good conversation!!!!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
@Neil, I’m not sure I’m following you, particularly whether it not by “this situation” you mean the lockout, the NBA or something else altogether? But yeah, I’d pretty much sum it up that way. And don’t get me wrong — we all want to see the best players we can see and yes, at the very least (and admittedly not having done my homework about this) was certainly a classless move by the Spurs. The Miami fans certainly have every right to be upset, and I should not have implied otherwise if I did.
But the important point I’m trying to make here is AS A COMMISSIONER you can’t go around dictating who you rest, who shows up at arena, how many minutes players play, etc, nor fine coaches for this nebulous “this was not on the best interest of the game” argument. Otherwise you are opening a Pandora’s box THAT NEVER ENDS. How many players can rest? Can you say your star was hurt? How hurt doed he have to be? If you’ve clinched a playoff spot can you rest him then? How close to you have to be to clinching? Rules need to be enforceable, the puck must completely cross the line, the player can only be there for 3 seconds, the stick has to be below the shoulder. Yes, some of this will be subjective, it’s unavoidable, but Stern’s decision was COMPLETELY subjective. And while I don’t follow basketball my understanding is that this is far from the first time he oversteps his authority for no other reason than he felt like doing it. And Bettman — meanwhile I’m still waiting for THAT idiot to enforce the clear completely objective rules the NHL has. Like not playing a puck from the bench, not slashing a player AFTER the game, and not allowing players who commit assault with a deadly weapon — Yes a stick — from ever playing in the NHL again.
Oh and honoring the contracts players signed in good faith too.
HockeyNerd Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
@HockeyNerd, Well I did miss something obvious. The Hear are the defending NBA champions, duh. HockeyNerd you clown I think they have their franchise “together”.
But it makes no difference as far as Stern is concerned. San Antonio’s coach made a decision to rest his players (who were playing 4 games in 5 nights!) so they could be better used in a game he felt they had a much better chance to win. Not only logical, but HIS decision in any case.
But next time I will actually LOOK who the team is before I rant off something totally in left field….
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variable Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:53 pm
@CB14,
t,
wow…
nice job getting all that info in one paragraph…
bettman – he’s like the grinch who stole hockey from us…after the 2003-04 lockout, he did allow some good rule changes to come into the game that made it faster and more exciting…he also was correct by signing with Versus instead of ESPN.. ironically…or more like moronically…he’s the architect turned demolition expert, as he is destroying all the progress of regaining the players trust…now, he’s the bullseye on everyone’s dart board…
selig – mixed results…he made expansion possible and made the playoffs more interesting…but he completely ruined an era of baseball by not fighting sooner or harder against the players association to demand mandatory performance enhancing drug testing…selig, to me, is sort of an enigma, in the sense that he seems like he wants to do the right thing, but his delivery is so poor, it makes you want to always second guess how and what he does…
goddell – i think you can safely say now that he has risen to the top and took the title from Stern of the most egotistical commissioner in north american sports…proof…?…the new orleans “bounty gate” scandal was like watching sergio leone’s “the good, the bad and the ugly”, and he played all three roles at all times…also, fining players for wearing a certain type of colored cleat shows you that has learned a lot from Stern on how to be frivolous and petty, always armed and ready to make sure that everybody in the league knows who the boss is…
stern – ahhhhh, “the angel of stern”, as tony kornheiser likes to call him…for years, he was the ultimate commander in chief…the judge, the jury and the executioner…he was the first commissioner to institute what a player dress code…he was the first commissioner to make fining coaches and players for their opinions on the officiating en vogue…he was the first commissioner probably in the history of professional sports that might have actually been bigger than the game itself…as he exits his throne in a year or so, he’s still crafty and probably the smartest man in the room at any given time…problem is, even if he isn’t, he wants to be…and like all good egoist, his smiles get wider and his answers get shorter and the gap between his reasoning and his reactions tow the line of fairness…
the chiefs vs. panthers game shouldn’t be played…period…end of story…wait a day and make it a monday night doubleheader…or even postpone it til tuesday…it’s the right thing to do….
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Having fun, watching Reign hockey, drinking lager, eating nachos and watching Clifford drive opponents into the boards.
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variable Reply:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:58 pm
@DesertKing,
cool beans…:)
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Ok Bettman, last night I spent my NHL money on an ECHL game. Today we are flying to Oakland to give more of our NHL money to the NFL. You are like the little baby in the credit card xommercial who doesn’t understand the importance of money rhen throws cheerios at you.
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Larry Murphy was a bad ass
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it’s december 2….and there are no scheduled talks on the horizon…
i think we are edging closer and closer to doomsday…the week before christmas is where i feel something needs to be agreed upon…there probably won’t be any talks after the 21st, so i think they are really in crunch time….
open questions…:
does anyone feel that there will be any sort of season if this month passes without getting any closer to an agreement…?
and…even if the lockout ends and they are able to start some sort of season in january, would you be in favor of a 40-50 game sprint or the possibility of hockey being played in july to make up for some of the lost games…?
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HockeyNerd Reply:
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@variable, See below. Apologize for not hitting the reply link.
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variable Reply:
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
@HockeyNerd,
yeah, i agree with you on both questions…
however, it would be really hard for me to give any validity to a season less than 50 games and forces the sport to start the playoffs in june…
for some reason, i’m starting to believe that this time around, even if something does get done, the bitterness will always be tasted and sustained by both sides…and we will have to go through the pains of this all over again in a few years because of the players collective lack of trust of ownership’s true finances and team value…this has being going on since the 70′s….and since the owners have been caught so many times lying over the years, who can blame the players for how they feel now…and, perhaps, in the future, if the NHL gets the CBA they want…
wait a minute….
haveb’t we heard this before….?????
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/gary-bettman-promised-lower-tickets-prices-lockout-failed-161032232–nhl.html
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1. Little or no chance. Although in 1995 they did hammer out an agreement “at the buzzer” so you never know. However the difference there was they finally (and literally) locked themselves on a room til it got done. I don’t see that happening this time around.
2. Idk. Hockey in July would be absurd but then again 40 years ago we never dreamed we’d have it in June. Off topic but I’d rather have the PRESEASON in July or August and FINISH in April.
Anyway, I guess a close endorsement for the 40 game season rather than playing in July. But truthfully I can take it or leave it either way IF a miracle happens and we play at all…..
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and now for something completely different….
IT’SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS……
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=410815
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KC23 Reply:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
@variable, yet another dog and pony show. Jacobs is Bettman’s alter ego.
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We just heard about David, the voice of the Kings. We live in the central coast now so news takes awhile to get here. I can’t believe he is gone. My husband would be home watching the game and I would either be at the hospital delivering a baby or on my way home and listen to him on the radio. I could always walk in and rehash the game with my husband. What a shame to loose a great voice. May God bless him as he journys to the great ice rink in the heavens. At least he will have the Stanley cup on his shoulders. Amen
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If a short season happens, I will watch it, but again I am not spending $1 on the NHL this year. My Richards jersey can wait.
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KC23 Reply:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
@Lake Forest, Was also going to buy a new jersey, but I’m also gonna make em wait for my money.
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Lake Forest Reply:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 pm
@KC23, I won $580 with the kings winning the cup (Las vegas bet of $20 right after they fired TM -28-1 odds).
I swore to Duncanz and he said i better get it or the wife would.
That bastard was right! And thankfully so!
Did anyone ever find out what happened to that guy?
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DesertKing Reply:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:45 am
@Lake Forest,
I think @Duncanz was actually Gary Bettman trying to spy on us and set Rich up for removal. Or maybe he got a job as the new PR person for the Ducks. Or maybe he is a mercenary in Africa. Or maybe he was conducting a research study on bloggers and when he got his PHD he quit blogging. Or maybe ………
Lake Forest Reply:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:16 am
@DesertKing, I’d like to think of it as a Back to the Future situaiton. Since the 2012-2013 did not happen, he is slowly disappearing.
He needs to put Biff Tannen (Bettman) into a truck filled with horse $hit.
I went into the NHL store in Manhattan the other day. As I walked into the store, the greeter said “Welcome to the NHL Store” I replied “I hope business is slow! – I am just here too look and will not be spending any money”
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HockeyNerd Reply:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@Munchrat, And did you consider the fact that that greeter has to make a living just like you and I and has probably had his / her hours drastically cut?
It’s a free country and buy or not buy what you wish. But if you think you are “sending a message to the NHL” by what you did, you are gravely mistaken. They don’t care. It’s people like that greeter who are getting hurt the most.
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