Continuing in our series about bygone hockey arenas, today I have stories about two Forums in which I did radio and television broadcasts.
MONTREAL FORUM
One of the most famous hockey arenas, and the one housing the most Stanley Cup Championships was the Montreal Forum in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Built in 1924 at the corner of Atwater and St. Catherine Street, it was the home of the Montreal Canadiens from 1926 to 1996. It cost $1.5 million to build and in today’s money that would be $20 million. The final NHL game in the Forum was on March 11, 1996, as the Canadiens beat the Dallas Stars 4-1. In between the first and last games in the building 26 Stanley Cup Championships were won by the teams that played there, two by the Montreal Maroons and 24 by the Canadiens.
My memories of broadcasting Kings’ games in the Montreal Forum:
- The sense of history as you walked in to the main lobby. Photos of all the great Canadiens players hanging on the walls, Hall of Famers such as Jean Beliveau, Rocket Richard, Toe Blake, coach Dick Irvin, “Boom Boom” Geoffrion, Doug Harvey and others.
- The 24 Stanley Cup banners hanging from the rafters, more than any other building in the NHL.
- The steepness of the seats. In the eighth row of the lower red seats you were already above the glass.
- Like many old arenas there was not a decent press box for radio and TV since the building was built before television existed. However, we did have a magnificent view of the game, with a steep angle and close to the ice. We also did not have a television studio for pre and post game shows like we have today. In fact our “studio” was in the garage area of the arena with fumes from automobiles and the zamboni.
- We would do between period interviews on the ice. Rich Marotta was my partner in the mid-70′s and one night he went down to the ice surface to interview Bob Gainey of Montreal. We discovered that Rich’s microphone would not work, so they told me to go on camera and fill the time. The score was only 1-0 so there wasn’t a lot to talk about and I was by myself with no one to interview. I filled for about 5 minutes and felt I was doing a wonderful job, when finally Rich’s mic was working and I threw down to him. The phone rang in our booth and it was someone from Los Angeles who told me Kings owner Jack Kent Cooke had called. I thought he called to congratulate me on the job I did filling the time, but he said to tell me to ‘Quit hogging the mike and let Rich talk once in a while.’
- The spine-tingling rendition of O’ Canada by Roget Doucet who sang the national anthems in the Forum in the 70′s.
- Watching and describing thrilling rushes up the ice by Guy LaFleur, Yvan Cournoyer and Steve Shutt.
- The Kings Stanley Cup Final series vs. Montreal in 1993 and Marty McSorley’s infamous illegal stick in Game 2. Montreal won Game 5 by a score of 4-1 to win their 24th and last Stanley Cup to this date.
Today a portion of the old Forum still stands but inside has been converted to restaurants and movie theatres, but no amount of renovation can erase the great memories of one of the greatest shrines of hockey.
THE FABULOUS FORUM
In my opinion the most distinctive and beautiful Forum was the home of the Los Angeles Kings from 1967 to 1999. It was built for the sum of $16 million and that included the land, and it was designed in a circular “Roman Forum” design that was so distinctive that when you saw a photo of it you knew immediately that it was the Forum in Inglewood, California. Owner Jack Kent Cooke demanded that we call it the “Fabulous Forum.” The name changed in December of 1988 when then owner Dr. Jerry Buss sold the naming rights to Great Western Savings and Loan. That was the first naming rights deal in American sports at that time and the building became known as “The Great Western Forum.”
I broadcast Kings’ games in that building from 1973 to 1999 before the Kings moved to STAPLES Center. I have so many remembrances from that building that I could not list them all in this space. Some of them include:
- The availability to visit with fans in what was a somewhat intimate setting compared with the huge arenas today.
- The lack of a “formal” press box. Apparently the architect, who also designed the current Madison Square Garden in New York, forgot there “might” be media coverage in the two largest markets in the U.S.
- Therefore, the “Press Box” took up several rows of seats in the front rows of the colonnade at center ice. It had a decent view of the game but there were times that fans in the lower bowl would stand and block our view and that of the TV cameras. The biggest problem I had was with the “cotton candy man” when he had a full pallet and would stop in front of me so I had to look around the cotton candy to describe the play.
- The accessibility fans had to the broadcast location. One night while I was doing the play-by-play, I felt a tap on my shoulder and a Kings’ fans said, ‘Hey, Bob, I want to ask you a question.’ Needless to say I was a little busy at the time.
- The 1981 All-Star Game which featured the Kings’ Triple Crown line of Marcel Dionne, Dave Taylor and Charlie Simmer, all introduced together to the crowd. Kings goalie Mario Lessard was also on that All-Star team.
- The 1993 Stanley Cup Final when the Kings met the Montreal Canadiens. Before the Kings first home game in that series, I saw fans toasting each other with champagne in their seats, finally seeing something they had never seen before in the Forum.
- The “Miracle on Manchester” playoff game on April 10, 1982, against the powerful Edmonton Oilers. The underdog Kings trailed 5-0 at the end of two periods but rallied with five goals in the third period, the tying goal by Steve Bozek with five seconds left. In overtime the Kings won the game on a blistering shot by Daryl Evans for a 6-5 win and the Kings went on to win the series.
- Wayne Gretzky’s first regular season game in a Kings uniform (October 6, 1988). He scored on his first shot in an 8-2 win over Detroit.
Of course there were so many others but time and space here doesn’t permit.
The final game in the Great Western Forum was on April 18, 1999. Thousands of Kings’ fans still have extremely fond memories of the “Fabulous Forum.”
I know there is no hockey, but these tales from Bob are awesome. I very much appreciate these!
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The Weasel Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Lake Forest,
What is this “Hockey” you speak of? You will teach me about the “Hockey” yes?
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
@The Weasel, It’s when two parties can’t agree how to split $3,300,000,000 every few years. During these negotiations, there are rumored to be games of hockey, but that’s nor here nor there.
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Biggest difference between Forum and Staples………Forum had Hockey during November….
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The Weasel Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@neil,
He shoots, he scores!
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Shakes Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 5:45 am
@The Weasel, but Staples had hockey in June
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Jeff Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 11:05 am
@Shakes,
winner!!
Tom B Reply:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@Shakes, And rate roaming the upper levels.
Thanks Bob great writing as usual, and good to read about and get to know from your knowledge bit of the past, wish there was more room so you could write more to include, and I even have a coin from fan apperication night at the old forum stamped GW, Great Western Forum, and “Kings” proud of it, and found a puck just last week from the opening night, at the first Staples home game, when they opened up.
Oh the wonderful memories thanks again and have a wonderful day.
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Looks like Brownie is headed to Russia…
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-lockout/2012/10/30/dustin_brown_signs_in_khl/?site=www
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T Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@toemas_sandstrom, One word of advice. Take a bus.
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kissmyblarneystones Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
@T,
For sure, but the roads suck too, once you are out of the cities
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luc20rules Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
@toemas_sandstrom, Even more of a reason to get the CBA resolved quickly. I don’t want Brownie getting to many flights in Russian built planes. How many is too many 1 seems reasonable. Extreme Weather & Cost Cutting is not a good combination for air travel.
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The whistle stop and the roast beef sandwiches serverd by Art the chef.Warren Weebee (sp)singing the national anthems.lots of great memories of the Forum
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kissmyblarneystones Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
@HockeyfanB4Gretzky,
The Roast Beef Sandwiches @ the Forum were the BOMB!!! Sliced fresh off the rib-eye and served on a fresh Kaiser Roll with the souffle cup of creamed horseradish sauce……JKC was accentric, but he knew what the fans like to eat
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Goring 19 Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 8:34 am
@HockeyfanB4Gretzky, personally I liked when Frank Mahoney sang “America the Beautiful” Just sayin…
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HockeyfanB4Gretzky Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 9:33 am
@Goring 19, And Joe Tripoly on the forom organ
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Thanks for the stories Bob! They bring back some memories of my own. I was lucky enough to be able to attend the last Kings game played at the forum. I don’t remember very much about the actual game, but I do remember being in the parking lot before the game a Kings fan had a TV in the bed of their pick-up truck and they were watching Gretzky’s last game being played. I stayed there and watched for awhile. Then, if i remember correctly, up on the video screen the Kings showed Wayne’s speech to the fans after his last game. Good memories.
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Watching the NHL and NHLPA neotiate is like watching someone commmit suicide with a toothpick.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@DesertKing, it’s like two women rationally arguing over the same pair of shoes. It’s not going to end soon or well.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
@Lake Forest, Your example includes arguing. The NHL & NHLPA feel that not talking and finding some compromise will solve the problem. Two ego maniacs going 50/50 on a resturant and not talking to each other because they each want their name to come first in the resturants name. This all occuring while the bills pile up and force them both into bankruptcy.
Do you know the 5 owners involved in the NHL bargaining commitee? 3 of them are Wash, Boston, & Minn. Those 3 make majority vote in that group and all 3 teams are maxed out on the cap & have multiple long term contracts, so quite simply they want a rollback. The NHL’s most recent offer only made players whole the 1st year and had the players paying back themselves in future years with rollbacks. This is likely the main reason we are looking at this standoff.
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Thanks for your memories in those forums Bob! Great read. Can’t wait to hear you calling play-by-play again.
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The actual last ganme at the forum was a pre-season game against the Ducks. The kings trounced them that night. I think the score was 8-1 or 8-2.
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Thanks for sharing Bob! One of things I miss most about those years as a kid was hanging out in the parking lot after the game near the Forum Club waiting for the team to walk to their cars. The players were always so gracious and the fans were respectful. When i tell my son those stories now he has a look of disbelief. He can’t even imagine a world where you could just get an autograph and talk to a player without standing in line or paying for an event! What a time!
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luc20rules Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
@MeanMrMustard, I wonder how safe that was. Forum wasn’t in the best of neighborhoods. The Kings players well hockey players seem to be the best about how they treat fans. I know people that catch them after practices, but after games I think they have a secured parking area and are not available.
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King John Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Bob and all,
I also remember waiting outside the “back door” as a kid for the players to come out and sign autographs. We also could get autographs before the game during practice by walking down to the ice to where the players would skate to near the glass; we would ask them and hand them our programs to sign. Programs were like magazines then and many bought them in those years. I still have several including one from the 1981 NHL All-Star game which I went to!
Another item of interest: Each time I was able, I would buy miniature plastic hockey sticks from the Forum. I had and still have a lot of the Kings, and some from other teams that I kind of liked. I even bought three Montreal mini-sticks when I had the chance to visit the Montreal Forum as a grown-up. Anyway, we would play “Crawl hockey” with these sticks, either one on one or with each team having a goalie and a crawler or two. We used a golf-size soft plastic ball that was hollow and had holes in it. You didn’t need too much room in a house but somewhere conducive with enough walls and mark-offs for goals. With skill you could get off a great wrist shot (rule: you must keep two hands on the stick when you shoot to avoid hacking someone). Play-by-play: King John stick-handles (while crawling) up the carpet… great wrister… kick save by goalie… rebound… score! It could be quite a competition!
As kids we also played “half-court” hockey outside on foot with real sticks and a no-bounce ball. The setting was the garage with one goal and a goalie (with some equipment). The other players (not too many) were split into teams and they would have to “clear” the puck up the driveway a ways and come back into the garage to try to score (the goalie was on neither team but played hard for both). I remember the sticks with plastic blades where you could slightly heat them and bend your blade to your preference. We would pretend we were certain players. Of course the goalie was always Rogie Vachon. And he made some great saves! It was a blast for us age 10-15. Those were the days, man (even though most of L.A. could care less about the Kings).
Anyway, everything has come to to its zenith with the Kings winning the Stanley Cup.
I feel satisfied.
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Saw a ton of awesome games at the forum. Most exciting sporting event I’ve ever witnessed was game 6 against the mighty Boston Bruins of Espo, Orr and Cashman era. Still have never heard anything as loud as Goring’s overtime winner. My brother was literally yelling at me from right next to me and I had to read his lips to understand. I was about 10 rows up from the ice. I wish I could let every King’s fan see and feel that game. In my mind’s eye I can still still Goring getting carried off the ice by his team mates. To this day I’ve never seen any other hockey player get carried off the ice on their teammate’s shoulders.
I would pay nearly anything for a copy of that game.
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Forum Gold Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 6:57 am
@KC23, section 9. And the 10 minute standing ovation before the face off. My all time favorite also.
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KC23 Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@Forum Gold, Weirdest part of that ovation was it being interupted by a moment of silence for the passing of Jack Kent Cooke’s mother followed by yet another loud ovation. That was strange, but even that moment of silence didn’t slow down the fans afterwards.
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jom Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@KC23, I agree about game six. I was not there but on the radio it was crazy. In fact, it was one of the most nerve racking experiences of my life. There is NOTHING like listening to a potential OT playoff elimination on the radio. Nothing.
It’s too bad though neither Orr or Espo played in that game. Espo was traded earlier that season and Orr was hurt most of that year.
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I vividly remember greeting Bob Miller just outside the Montreal Forum press box minutes before game 1 in 1993. It felt like ,”Wow, we finally, finally made it!”
2012 was kinda better, though.
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KC23 Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
@Robert R, I don’t think many King’s fans really understand the gravity of what the King’s did in the playoffs last year. Last years King’s playoff run will be compared to all future strong playoff runs. Really only the 85 Oilers can really compare and one could easily make an argument that the King’s playoff run was more impressive given the fact they were an 8th seed and played the 3 best teams in their conference and then the best in the east.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 9:45 am
@KC23, I agree, however to every other person we just got lucky!
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Robert R Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 6:15 pm
@Lake Forest, Lucky for 2 months straight. Yessiree.
DesertKing Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
@KC23,
Thus the lockout. Everyone in the NHL knows this team has just reached its potential, it is scary good, it is intact for the mext 4-6 years, and everyone is afraid to play us now
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California Royalty Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
@KC23, Agreed. I only hope a lot of those fans don’t expect that type of run every playoffs. I don’t think any team will ever dominate again in the fashion that the Kings did in 2012.
- 16-4
- Their high scoring penalty kill
- 8th seed eliminating #1, #2 & #3 seeds (Will never happen again)
- Losing 1 game in the first 2 rounds
- Lost 2 games in the first 3 rounds (both games when they were up 3-0 in the series)
- Since the 1st lockout, it takes a Stanley Cup winning team an average of 23 games to clinch. the Kings won in 20.
There are many other dominating facts you can throw out there. I didn’t even touch what the Conn Smythe winner did…
We will never see another dominating performance in the playoffs like that again.
I hope the fans you’re referring to realize just how special it was and take nothing for granted!
Go Kings!
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Robert R Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 6:13 pm
@Robert R, The longer that you pulled for the Kings, the sweeter this all was. That’s no big surprise. Until now, 1993 was the benchmark of Kings’ success. We came so close–3 overtime games, and if not for Patrick Roy, 2012 would have been our second cup. If you were around for the disappointments, then you experienced a higher level of 2012 euphoria: those of you who jumped on the bandwagon this year, I’m glad you came aboard. But after a 44-year wait, you didn’t feel what I felt.
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…and, at the Forum you could get your hand stamped for readmission. Dozens of people would exit and party between periods on the exterior colonnade …ah, great times back in the day!
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
@USHA#17,
Charlie Sheen tried that @ Staples. Um, no go..
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luc20rules Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
@jess, Would have been a better story if it was his brother. You know the one with no career.
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
@luc20rules,
Ah yes emilio, whatever happened to him?
Lake Forest Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 9:46 am
@Jess, he’s on NHL.com now, as they view the Mighty Ducks movies as classics
Which I somewhat understand, when I was 20 I had a crap so big it was a classic.
Greg Garcia Reply:
April 21st, 2013 at 2:22 am
I miss the old Forum , back in the day I could get my hand stamped, & party with the fans outside , my most memorable moment was Butch Goring’s overtime game winner against Boston in game 6 of the Stanley Cup quarter finals in 1976….
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Lots of great memories going to the Forum to see a game with my dad when I was a kid. Unfortunately, my dad passed away earlier this year (and wasn’t able to see the Kings win the Cup). I would always get excited when I caught that first view of the Forum as we drove up Praire Ave. from Florence. Some great times “back in the day.”
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Setoguchi signed with the Reign! Hahah
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408478
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Sebastian Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 9:28 am
@Subby, Haha, love the headline “WILD’S SETOGUCHI SIGNS WITH ECHL’S ONTARIO (CA) REIGN”
CA could still mean Canada right?
how can this guy sign in the minors?
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luc20rules Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 5:38 pm
@Sebastian, ECHL is not the minors. It is Pro Hockey the Equivalent to the MLB’s AA minor leagues. Its the NHL’s 2nd Farm Team down league the AHL being the 1st Farm Team down.
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gmo Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 8:00 pm
@luc20rules,
arent the REIGNS an affiliate of the LA KINGS ORGANIZATION?
luc20rules Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
@gmo, That is correct. I suppose I should have mentioned that.
I well remember many games at the “Fabulous Forum”. My Brother and I would go on the day of the game and get ducats in the first 5 rows for 16.50. Well, actually we passed on the first few rows and would get row “G” ( I think) because there was a little concrete wall to set our beers on. Brews weren’t 12 bones apiece then, but we saved a few bucks by not spilling ‘em!
The old joke at that time…. We parked at the Forum and walked over to Sizzler to eat, inadvertently leaving our season tix on the dash. Sure enough, when we returned, someone had broken in,,,, and left 2 more!.
They didn’t win a lot in those days, but won most all the fights. Priceless memories though.
Go Kings
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Crash Davis Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
@YoBro, I used to leave my house in Culver City@ 5:30pm, get to the Forum by about 6pm taking local roads (via Jefferson, La Cienega, Slauson & La Brea & Manchester). I’d park close to Forum on east side, then walk over through the parking lot to Sizzler most every game. Loved it when they had the prime rib or all-you-can-eat shrimp specials. Got to know many of the servers by name over the years.
Around 7pm I’d head back to the Forum in time for warm-ups. Grab a brew, watch hockey. The East coast teams would always come through back then. No seeing Dallas or Phoenix 4x a season.
Good times. But I do love Staples…just not the food prices.
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Did the Lakers hire Kompon as their free throw coach?
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I am reverting back to my guess back in July of 2010 the new CBA will not come without a lockout of all of 2012-13 non-season. The NHL has been planning this lockout for a long time. When was the last season that didn’t start overseas? Why not this year, and why haven’t any of the Winter Classic contracts been inked? Quite simply this lockout has been planned for a very long time. It wouldn’t be all that surprising to find out that concerts at some venues were rented out on game nights prior to Sept. Gary “the Lockout Negotiator” Bettman has met his match in Fehr who has shown he has no hesitation to lose his clients an entire season. EGOs have been ACTIVATED!
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All the pieces are there for the Lakers but they are turning over and over again. Hmmm … sounds like mid-season coaching change to me.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 6:03 am
@goldielocks,
They should bring in TM to teach them how to pkay defense.
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mask0425x Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 9:29 pm
@DesertKing,
Don’t you have to start with Andy Murray and his nighttime love notes first?
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luc20rules Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 10:47 pm
@mask0425x, NO, NO, NO! You first have to bring in Crawford to accumulate top notch talent by finishing at the bottom. All the while trading the borderline old talent to playoff teams with holes, so you can get more draft picks.
Andy Murray was too good at motivating an injury depleted teams to the middle of the pack. So basically we never got those great lotto type picks that are more or less sure things.
Great stories Bob! Great memories of the old Forum in Inglewood! Forum club was the place to be after games. On a side note, this just in from the NHL…………….(crickets chirping).
What a bunch of jackasses!
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Kings Fan In Temecula Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 7:45 am
@King Alex, indeed!
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Forum Gold Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 8:23 am
@King Alex, Saw David Stern at last nights NBA opener. Can you imagine the response Bettman will get at ANY arena when he shows up. It was bad before but now!!! Well deserved commissioner.
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Nothing like watching a hockey game at the Fabulous Forum
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Much appreciated stories Bob! Keep em coming!
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One of my fondest memories of the FABULOUS FORUM was meeting Bob Miller, and giving him some ‘OLD BOB MILLER SASARILLA.
I also met Bob at ‘BIG MAC’ in Denver when he did a Kings – Rockies game.
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Michael G Reply:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
@Michael G, Pete Webber was in his first year as the color analyst for the Kings when I met them at ‘Big’ Mac.
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I miss having a reason to check this site.
I do have a couple questions if anyone can answer them, though.
For one, I was talking to a couple friends the other day about our “defending Champs” title, and we weren’t sure whether we’d still have that title if, God forbid, there’s no season. What I mean is, would we still be defending the Cup in 2013-14? And if not officially, would other teams still perceive us as such and treat us accordingly?
Secondly, do we know who all gets a ring?
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nykingfan Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@FiG17,
In my mind, we’re still defending champions.
The problem is by the time they get back to playing hockwey, nobody will remember who won the cup!
I also have no reason to check this site other than habit. How sad..I wouldn’t go to the can without checking here first.
Thanks Bettman!
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KC23 Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
@FiG17, We could only hope that other teams wouldn’t see us as the champs, but I doubt it. The King’s didn’t just roll some easy teams on the way to the cup. I think we scare the heck out of everybody now.
I wonder what happenes with contracts. Are all the one year contracts over if the season is cancelled? If so we lose Gange and Penner next season among others I believe.
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insert crickets sound affect _______
This lockout is brutal…can’t bring myself to enjoy the NBA. Weeknight TV now belongs to my better half….so so so sad.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
@A Cup B4 I Died!,
you too, ha?
Last year I was in my glory with the NBA lockout. Turnaround is afair play I guess. Who would have thought we’d be on the verge of losing another season?
My wife has taken over the tv as well. Shoot me now!!!!!
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 1:34 pm
@A Cup B4 I Died!, Dude, I have a wife and three daughters…..Hockey is all I had in my estrogen filled house! I work Sundays so football is out, I hate Basketball and well baseball is ok, but obviosly over for now.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 31st, 2012 at 10:49 pm
@Lake Forest, Now that a Scary Holloween Story!
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Thanks Bob
I have been wanting to hear your thought on the ol forum forever.
Wish I could see the kings play there again.
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Bettman and his entourage and the Fehrs all suck fat tool.
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Bob,
Great memories of the Forum, but one story I will never forget–and we talked about it in London and you wrote about in your book–the great chicken toss–the live chicken hit the ice at the blue line and Kings and Canadians players were so shocked they continued playing for a few seconds. One of the most bizarre memories I have of our days in Inglewood.
Take care and hope we have hockey soon,
Larry
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Wow, memories… We used to sneek in through the Forum Club entrance when I was 15.
Just a 5 or 10 dollar “tip” would get us into the game.
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