Pictures From Clinic In Simi Valley

Posted by Rich Hammond on 19 October 2012, 9:35 am

Hey Kings fans, Jim Fox and I hosted an on-ice clinic at Iceoplex Simi Valley last night (our pal Bailey was there helping out as well. Had a great time with everyone, thanks to those who came out. Here are some pictures:

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King Alex says:

October 19, 2012 at 9:41 am

Good job & well done Daryl & Jim! It’s really nice to see the pure love for the game and not the ugly underbelly of the business side.

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Kings Fan In Temecula Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am
@King Alex, yep totally

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Zeley Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@King Alex,

Truer words have never been communicated

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vegasking Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
@King Alex, well stated

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John Roy Morgan Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@vegasking, Right On!!!!!!!!!!

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Neil says:

October 19, 2012 at 9:44 am

I feel for guys like Mr. Evans and the rest….Biggest problem I see…Both sides give a proposal and the other side says no.Both sides need to go point by point until they reach a agreement.

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Gail Web says:

October 19, 2012 at 10:05 am

Hello Daryl,

Thanks so, much for the pictures really cool to see other rinks.

Have fun !

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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) says:

October 19, 2012 at 10:28 am

Photo captions…

Photo 1: Daryl “Okay kid, now give me back my stick.”
Photo 2: Daryl “Quit staring at me kid, you’re freaking me out.”
Photo 3: Foxy “Easy pickings.”
Photo 4: Foxy “Don’t shoot! Don’t shoot!”
Photo 5: Bailey “I’m gettin’ too old for this…”
Photo 6: Photographer “Everybody smile and say… Lockout!”

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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 10:34 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), LOL…good form! “Everybody smile and say… Lockout!”

I could actually see the photographer saying something like that…

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Debra Turull Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), OK Paul, you hit it right on the head! Would you be willing to take Rich’s job and do the blog?

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variable Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),

that’s an actual transcript of the event…(!)

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toemas_sandstrom says:

October 19, 2012 at 10:58 am

No hockey and no Rich make Homer something, something…

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Lake Forest says:

October 19, 2012 at 11:05 am

Help me out here…. I’m slow so bear with me. This is only HRR related, not contract terms or anything else.

If the players got the shaft at the last CBA, and yet are better off than they were before the last CBA, and if the HRR is the same as far as definition (hypothetically speaking), then why are the players blameless?

correct my details as they ARE off, but if the league is growin 5% to 7% each year, and the players are giving up 7%, in a year or two wouldnt they still be better off and have a bigger piece of pie then they had?

Would you rather have 57% of $3,300,000,000 or 50% of $3,762,000,000??? (3.762 is a 14% raise in HRR in two years)

The players piece of the overall pie is smaller, BUT the pie is much bigger.

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variable Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@Lake Forest,

that’s exactly what’s in dispute as far as HRR goes…but there are plenty of other issues…

- what is the total projected sum the league is basing it’s percentages on…same goes for the NHLPA…they can say “50/50″ “57/43″ or whatever…it truth, yr right – it doesn’t matter…

the bottom line is how much bigger is the total pie and how much of a fair share (whatever that means at this point) can the players get without losing the whole farm and their free agent rights…

so i totally agree with you…: percentages don’t mean much…what does mean more to the players is how much is in the total HRR pool and are they gonna be better off overall with a lower split percentage because, in actuality, they will be making more money based upon the increase of said HRR pool…

there are stipulations regarding contract lengths for entry-level players…and there are limits on a players’ earning potential before they are 28 and/or have served 8 years of professional service… so it’s more than just HRR…escrow percentage, term length on second and third player contracts, the olympics, international play, etc…

but you understand more than what yr giving yrself credit for….:)

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vegasking Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@variable, Also, well stated

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Roger Rabbit Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@variable,
At the end of the day the players are still better off than they were 5 years ago and they will continue to be better off as the sport grows.

Where they will all lose is as soon as the league Cancel’s the next 9 games of the season (which will probably happen on 10/25) they (the players and the owners) will have just lost the 12.3% that they were theoretically going to lose in the latest League proposed CBA in their salary alone that the teams will not pay. As i understand it, their contract terms are for an 82 game season so if we only play 72 games then they will get prorated contract terms for the number of games in the season, not to mention the HRR that they wont get because the league lost the revenue from the 9 games that they didn’t play which goes into the HRR escrow calculation. If we miss the entire season they they will have lost everything and more then they would have lost over the entire new 5 year CBA given they took the current offer.

Considering the poor economy and that everyone in my office was forced to take a 18% pay cut in the last two years so the company can stay in business, i have no sympathy for the the players who are crying foul about a 12.3% pay cut and still averaging $2.4Million per year (league average).

Lack of a CBA contract causes a significant loss to everyone in the league and Fehr is counting on the fact that the owners will just keep giving and that they players aren’t sufficiently harmed yet so they won’t notice what won’t be in their salary checks once a New CBA is completed. Unlike being a state employee or a Federal employee on strike, Given there is no revenue coming in there will be no payments for games not played by the owners. The primadonna’s of the league will say ouch but will be basically unaffected by this, but the guys who are on entry level contracts will be most affected as they have no income after this HRR escrow check hits their accounts, and the $1600ish a month they get for un-employment will be no substitution for their time missed.

Lastly the big bad union boss is complaining about shorter contract term limits and trade limits. IMHO well, they gave in and agreed to honor the existing primadonna contracts that were all front and back loaded and accepted the errors of their ways. At least now it will be spelled out that you can’t circumvent the cap in the same ways they have done for the last 5 years. You guys that lucked out and completed your contracts before the deadline did just that, lucked out. now there are new rules and the rest of the league will have to play by the new rules. The current system was un-sustainable and given the actions of the owners and the players for these circumventing contracts now has to be fixed. figure it our, 5 years, 7 years 9 years probably doesn’t make a difference for the max term and Fehr will just have to live with it. The new rules are for everyone that didn’t get their sweetheart deal before the deadling so suck it up and deal with it we the fans and the owners will have another 10 years to live with these bloated contracts that will affect the entire league makeup until they are gone from the league.

For you mr. bettman, its time to hold open tryouts and start playing hockey. There are lots of good folks out there who would love a $500k contract to play the sport that they love, and you can give me my $12.00 ticket so i can come watch them play. In 6 months the fans will find new hero’s.

RR

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Howe9 Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
@Roger Rabbit, Good post. Well thought out. My tickets are $12.00 too. You must be in the die hards. Still a pretty godd deal.

CB14 Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@Roger Rabbit,

“Considering the poor economy and that everyone in my office was forced to take a 18% pay cut in the last two years so the company can stay in business, i have no sympathy for the the players who are crying foul about a 12.3% pay cut and still averaging $2.4Million per year (league average).”

One little problem with that argument, last season the NHL had it’s highest revenues EVER. If your company had it’s highest revenues ever, would you be willing to take a pay cut? Yeah, didn’t think so.

“The current system was un-sustainable and given the actions of the owners and the players for these circumventing contracts now has to be fixed. figure it our, 5 years, 7 years 9 years probably doesn’t make a difference for the max term and Fehr will just have to live with it.”

No one put a gun to the owners heads and forced them to sign these contracts. They did it on their own free will, and now it’s the players fault? I don’t think so.

P.S. If you look up the word hypocrite in the dictionary you’ll see a picture of Craig Leopold, owner of the Minnesota Wild. The same guy who just signed 2 players to 13 year 98 million dollar contracts is one of the owners sitting at the barginning table across from the players and arguing for the players to limit their term lengths to 5 years, as well as making them take a 12% pay cut because he’s not making a profit. I call BS on him, and the rest of the hypocritical owners.

variable Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
@CB14,

thank you…+1000…(!)

there’s a second side that had to sign off on every single friggin’ deal and penny…why ROGER RABBIT fails to acknowledge is that both sides are equally as culpable in their responsibilities towards past agreements is unclear…he seems to be holding the players to a higher standard than their employers…

this crazy, absurd notion that the expired CBA deal is worthless and not a metric to use in assessing a new deal is completely…well…crazy…(!!!)

i also sense some jealousy (?) about star players making star money…these “primadonna’s” provide you with the product you supposedly love so much – hockey at it’s highest competitive level…if yr not happy with that fact, why do you care about the sport…?

if you rather see replacement players than the conflict resolved in its entirety, then we are 180 degrees apart…we are speaking different languages…similar to what the NHL is claiming…funny…

yr last point is sooooo off-base, sorry to say, but it’s rather comical…:

“At least now it will be spelled out that you can’t circumvent the cap in the same ways they have done for the last 5 years. You guys that lucked out and completed your contracts before the deadline did just that, lucked out. now there are new rules and the rest of the league will have to play by the new rules. The current system was un-sustainable and given the actions of the owners and the players for these circumventing contracts now has to be fixed. figure it our, 5 years, 7 years 9 years probably doesn’t make a difference for the max term and Fehr will just have to live with it. The new rules are for everyone that didn’t get their sweetheart deal before the deadling so suck it up and deal with it we the fans and the owners will have another 10 years to live with these bloated contracts that will affect the entire league makeup until they are gone from the league.”

what in the world are you talking about…?????

the idea to set these cap circumvention deals up came from one of the best GM’s in the league – kenny holland…louie lams followed suit…and so did others to somewhat lesser extents…

the cap circumvention and loopholes were solely infiltrated and initiated by GM’s…with some very minor assistance from the player’s agent…again, agent and player AND GM…and sometimes, the OWNER(S)… ALL have to agree to any deal…

what the latest published NHL proposal is lobbying for makes the third and fourth player contracts at age 28 or at 8 years of service, the most lucrative instead of front loading deals…it also cuts back entry-level deals to a 2 year max…this is all designed by the NHL to create a earnings module that limits a player’s earnings potential until they achieve UFA status…the NHL has also proposed that a player’s second contract cannot be longer than 5 years and can only pay $25 million maximum…as far as i know, that provision is still on the table…

ok..fine…but how is that not reshuffling the deck and just delaying inevitable cap hits and AAV in the later years of someone’s contract…? that player could be retired and the team still owes them money, either through escrow or deferred salary payments and it still goes against the cap…how is that a better idea…?

the whole purpose of this lockout is to restructure the following…:

- the revenue sharing amongst the larger and smaller market teams…10 teams make 50% of the league’s revenue…the smaller markets will have to be compensated by them to simply stay competitive and at whatever the projected salary cap floor will be…i think they are talking about a 59% floor and a 72% ceiling…so, in essence, THE NHL WANTS TEAMS TO SPEND ALMOST $60 MILLION PER SEASON just to comply with it’s proposed salary cap floor…that means, they want all 30 teams to be competitive and not languish at the bottom of the standings or fall behind their economic obligations…

i don’t believe that will ever happen and that the larger market teams will continuously have to bail out the smaller market teams REGARDLESS of how they juxtapose the revenue sharing…the only thing the smaller and larger markets agree upon is that the players should pay for the bill – mostly caused by the NHL’s own mistakes…

one example of a small market team doing everything right from its inception is Nashville…they should be the role models for all smaller markets as to how to succeed in today’s NHL….

and here’s a part of a previous post that brings up other points that you might reconsider…:

“however, it’s important to denote that when a player becomes a free agent or becomes eligible for a new contract, if their performance dictates a significant raise, they will be unable to match what other top players are earning or get fair market value solely because they haven’t been in the league long enough….that’s where it becomes a complicated negotiating issue for the player, their agent and the GM (to a lesser extent)…

if a player, let’s say someone of the caliber of crosby or ovie comes into the league, they can instantly become the face of the league and/or the league’s most talented player..in that player’s first 8 years of service, they won’t be able to make any more than $5 mil/per…that’s not chump change, but it’s not top player money…and that’s the problem i have with this proposal…

you cannot penalize teams for selecting good players and drafting well….sure, there should be cap floors and limits…

if you take anze kopitar’s contract, for example, under the new NHL proposal, he would not be able to make more than $5mil/per during his first 8 years…my point is that the owners are trying to police themselves by limiting a player’s earnings potential throughout the bulk of their early careers….and most players reach their peak at 27-32…by starting UFA’s at 28/8, you are taking away at least a year of earnings potential…and then that amount is used to base future contracts for that player and others of similar composition…”

i could on and on…but that’s enough for now…:)

Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
@Roger Rabbit,

re: replacement players

I would love someone who thinks this way to explain to me why you even watch NHL hockey if you don’t like the players. It boggles the mind.
variable says:

October 19, 2012 at 12:19 pm

thanks DARYL and JIM…(!)

great job, as always…:)

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Lake Forest says:

October 19, 2012 at 1:56 pm

I dont know about you guys, but I’d totally trade brown for moulson

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DesertKing says:

October 19, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Alright! The lock-out is over!!! It is great seeing Brown and Kopi back on the ice together in that photo. I can’t believe Koli got the back from Sweden so quickly. Huh? Wait a minute, when did Brownie change his number?

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Stuart Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
@DesertKing, Koli??? LOL Is that Kopi’s and Stolli’s lovechild???

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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
@Stuart, That would be one ugly love child! In fact it may look eerily similar to Kyle Clifford.

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DesertKing Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
@Stuart,

First Paulina then Kopi? Damn Stoll getz around!

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Lake Forest says:

October 19, 2012 at 2:42 pm

@Stuart…….havent heard from you in a few days. Does that mean baby is here?

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Stuart Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
@Lake Forest, as a matter o fact, we just delivered today and are currently resting in our hospital room over in your neck of the woods! Lyndyn was born at 3:11 this afternoon weighing in at 7lb8oz and measuring 19in long!!! thank you for thinking of us @LF!!!

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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
@Stuart,

Congratulations from me as well to you and your wife!

My grandson was also born in that neck of the woods…..near Laguna Woods to be exact. Saddleback Hospital in April this year.

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Lake Forest Reply:
October 20th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
@Stuart, Sorry for the late reply, but congrats man!!!! Happy to hear everyone is doing well!

Get that shot gun!

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Stuart Reply:
October 21st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@Lake Forest, LOL for sure with a big iron chastity belt too!!!

Thank you @LF and thank you too @Kingsfanone… so far so good… a little jaundice so we’ll have that checked out at our first appt either Monday or Tuesday. We’re home now and trying to keep up with our boy on about 3 or 4 30-45 minute naps throughout the night… I’m starting to know what it feels like to be a zombie… oh well, it’s all part of the ride!!
BrokeKingsFan says:

October 19, 2012 at 3:39 pm

I have an idea… Give the players 57% but with the provision that they are responsible for covering all of their own costs. No more free flights, hotel rooms, transportation, or meals. Only Medical and Equipment will be covered by the owners. The players can even write those expenses off on thier taxes if they so choose. While were at it players can just go ahead and cut in the owners a piece of their endorsement deals they sign. Since players are technically employed by the league, use the NHL to market those brands, and wouldnt have any of those deals if the teams didnt put you on the ice in thier jersey to begin with, it only seems “fair” that owners get a share of that. Players demand league revenue….owners demand player revenue. I would like to think if this were to happen they would settle for 50/50 pretty quickly and quit whining that they are giving up to much.
The players said they took so many concessions last time which in reality might be true at least at the beggining, but the players today are the highest paid in NHL history (even better paid than NFL players…average salary is 1.9 Mil for the NFL and thier revenues dwarf the NHL’s) and salaries have gone up almost double from the last CBA. The players with as much whinning as they are doing about the last CBA came out the other end of it smelling like Roses.

In a struggling econonmy where whole corporations and businesses either lose jobs all together or take pay cuts across the board to keep the businees afloat ( were most of these employees earn 25-75K / Yr) I can not, and will not side or sympathize with guys who get paid millions to play a game and will still get millions after said “paycuts”. So Sid the kid and Alex O. only get 75 mil instead of 95…..BIG FRIGGIN WOOP, cry me a river and please float away on it so I dont have to hear your whinny ass anymore. Rant over….for now

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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I wish had of read Roger Rabbits post above….I would have left off the last paragraph.

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variable says:

October 19, 2012 at 5:11 pm

peeps comparing professional sports economies to their own economies and professions are completely off base…and that point is really moot…

if the NHL claims the amount of economic growth it’s gained since 2003-04 to be what it is, why can’t a player’s salary grow in congruence with the league revenue increases…?

if the players gave up over $3 billion dollars the last time, why should they be happy giving up another $1.6+ billion in future earnings…?

and those of you who say…”just suck it up, like the rest of us” are not being honest with yourselves…because there’s no way in the world you will convince me that you would take a 30%…20%…or even 10% pay cut without raising hell…

and if you wouldn’t raise hell and try to unionize and fight the good fight on principles alone, yr job probably isn’t worth as much to you as you think anyway…

some of yoots are just so unhappy that there’s no hockey, that yr willing to say and/or believe anything anyone says that offers an end to the lockout – regardless of who gets screwed the most..

the NHL is no different than the NFL or NBA…they each also couldn’t agree on the numbers until that last minute…in this case, the NHL and the NHLPA are both guilty of playing a game of chicken that benefits nobody…

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Neil Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
@variable, Revenue has gone up…so has costs. My salary has gone up….my buisness gross has gone up..But guess what??? Iam making less. If teamsa re losing money(who really knews)..then the league must cut salaries…

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variable Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
@Neil,

that’s a by product of the overall economy and most salaries in most all industries in the middle-classes are not keeping pace with the average cost of living…

in the NHL’s case, i’m making the argument that it’s nobody’s fault but the league’s that we are in this position…:

- poor expansion…
- poor financial background checks ensuring an owner’s bonafides and actual revenue…
- poor decisions saving markets that can’t and shouldn’t be saved….
- the GM’s circumventing salary cap rules to keep marquee players…
- the GM’s and owners paying more for marginal talent…
- the league’s failure to get cooperation from both cities and franchise owners to equitably share costs in the case of building new arenas…
- financially supporting phoenix for two years…
- financially helping the islanders and their mission to fund a new arena – this is going on ten years now…
- financially helping new jersey…

these choices are solely the NHL’s – not the players…and all these decisions cost money – the league’s money…in turn, swallowing profitability for the league as a whole…

how much money the league has actually spent in all the aforementioned ventures is unclear…and that’s because the NHL won’t reveal those expenses publicly…

my suspicions are that the league has a very curious way of managing their books and practices in the same accounting procedures that the kings got caught doing a few years back, when a fan challenged the kings’ claim that they lost $7 million one season…

after he got permission to review the kings” books, he concluded that technically, the kings could claim a $7 million dollar loss based on their creative accounting…but, it reality, if you were to look at flat out assets and liabilities, the kings actually broke even…

and that’s a major issue – the lack of trust between the owners and the NHLPA…

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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 19th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
@Neil, You lost me at ‘my salary has gone up…but I’m making less.’

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