Hi Kings fans. I’m excited to be contributing to LAKingsInsider.com. I look forward to providing a lot of podcasts. In this first edition of my Kings Kronicles Podcast, we take a look at Bernie Nicholls’ 70-goal season of 1988-89. The feature includes play-by-play clips from Bob Miller and sound from Bernie, Dave Taylor and Luc Robitaille.
I look forward to reading your comments here. Feel free to offer up suggestions for future podcasts and thanks for listening.
That sure was a magical season for Bernie..still in awe of his accomplishment!
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when hockey was played!!!! Iam convince that the 50 50 is for the first year only….The other years will be more for the owners.The players will turn it down and it will LOOK like they are turning down 50 50 but in reality they will be turning down a much worse offer. The PR will then flip to the owners side….Anyone disagree ????
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King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
@Neil, I don’t think that it’s for only this year. I think they need to read through the deal and make their choice from that stand point. In watching the interview with Donald Fair he said he believed it was for 6 years. But at this point I just want to see a deal signed. No matter what deal they sign they will be making more money than the average Joe,playing a game that they love. This does not mean that they shouldn’t get a fair deal.50-50 is always a good thing.
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Neil Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
@King Charles of Salt Lake, The CBA is for 6 years but what the PCT for each year hasnt been announced yet…..
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luc20rules Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
@Neil, This deal is for a full 82 game season. You must be happy about that. Lets hope this all gets done in time for that. I don’t want an astrik by the Kings 2nd Stanley Cup Championship in 2013.
BringBackKingston Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
@Neil, as it is said, devil’s in the details. it’s not like the nhl would highlight the negative aspects of their offer in their press release. the other side of the % split is how the the HRR is calculated. how big is the pie is just as important as how the pie is divided.
the more telling aspect of how long this lockout goes will be the players’ counter-offer. assuming the 50-50 split is for all years, if the players counter with a different % split (ie come off their demand for 57%) but not agree to 50-50, then the lockout will continue for longer. if the players agree in principle to 50-50 and their counter focuses on things like free agency, etc, then I could see this getting wrapped up soon, though maybe not soon enough for a nov 2nd season start.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
@BringBackKingston, Those details will leak out, so there will be backlash for the NHL if its not fair. The important thing is they apparently stepped much closer to the middle then either side has at this point and now the percentages are small enough for one or both sides to concede in negotiations. Before now there was no hope as neither side was offering and it looked like a game of chicken that would last until the season had to be cancelled.
Is this the final CBA, 99% no in my opinion, but it is close enough to what will be negotiated that I believe a deal will get done relatively soon.
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Awesome, going to Germany tomorrow. This will do nicely on the plane. More please!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@jammer06, At 7 minutes long, you have your boarding-the-plane entertainment set! What’s in Germany besides the Hamburg Freezers?
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CB14 Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), The David Hasselhoff fan club?
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
@CB14, How could I forget! And I’m a member! (not)
I haven’t refreshed all my hockey media pages this often since Kovalchuk.
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Shakes Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@FiG17, I remember those days too. We were young. Simple. Cup less.
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Deke'r Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@Shakes, …..hahahahaha….virginal you might say….
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luc20rules Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
@FiG17, Me too, but this time I am hoping for a deal. I remember being ok with what DL was offering, but was afraid DL might cave under the pressure and overpay for Kovisuck NJ style.
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Awesome! I hope this strike ends quickly otherwise Bernie is going to have a 70 moose season.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
@Scott, He will be on PITA’s most wanted list. LOL
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Scott Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@luc20rules, He probably already is. You should see his twitter feed. He’s having a great season.
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Since you asked for podcast suggestions, i will reiterate my suggestion posted yesterday…please podcast the Kings talk radio show once the season starts. I only get to listen from my drive home to Orange County after the games and i am usually almost all the way home before kings talk actually starts. I actually get no radio reception in my house so i would have to sit in my car to continue listening to the program. A podcast to listen to the next morning woudl be great. Related to that, i would suggest shortening the lenth of the radio post-game to show to include less of a recap since i would assume most listeners are aware of the general stats of the game. If not, they can always look up those stats and box score at a later time, where as there is no way to listen to the kings talk show at a later time.
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Sancho Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 7:02 am
@diehard307, this is a GREAT idea!
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Howe9 Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am
@diehard307, I agree. Too much filler before the Kings talk & we are already home.
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LF13 Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 10:15 am
@diehard307, there is a podcast of Kings Talk: http://kings.nhl.com/podcasts/kingstalk.xml
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diehard307 Reply:
October 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
@LF13, that’s great. Now, if only they will announce that it exists so suckers like me will know about it, haha. I suggested it on a call a few years ago and they said they didnt have the resources at the time to pull it off but would look into it. Would have been nice if they advised once they finally started doing it. Well, then, i guess my suggestion for a podcast is now amended to directing the avid kings talk listeners to where they can find it. Thanks for the help LF13!!!
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Mars Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
@diehard307, I concur!
Always miss a lot or chill in the driveway
BTW cops DO NOT like to see you in your car with a beer in hand!
Even in your driveway.
Once I explained they laughed though.
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Gg Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
@diehard307, great idea
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historyguy Reply:
October 28th, 2012 at 8:52 am
@diehard307, Fantastic idea, especially for those of us who are no longer living in SoCal!
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Thanks Nick.
Podcast suggestion – Interview with a member of the Kings player deveopment staff to talk about progress of prospects in the AHL, Junior leagues and college. Who are they impressed with? What kind of potential do they see in some of the top prospects such as Forbort or Toffoli.
thanks!
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Owners offer a 50/50 deal to players. This may mean we have a season even if the thing gets tweaked.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8512006/nhl-offers-players-50-50-split-hockey-related-revenue
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CB14 Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
@luc20rules, Called it! http://lakingsinsider.com/2012/10/10/farewell-and-thank-you/#comment-1749074 I knew the owners would budge first.
I’m pleased the owners finally offered a new deal, but I doubt the PA will accept it. The league asked Don Fehr 6 months ago to agree to a Cap freeze for this upcoming season, and Fehr rejected that offer. So I doubt he would let the players agree to a deal that’s worse than what he rejected for this upcoming season. I’m also interested to learn what the percentage of HRR is in years 2-6. Sure it’s 50-50 in year one, but if it goes to 53-47 in favor of the owners in years 2-6 it’s not much of a compromise from the owners previous offer.
With that said, I do think a deal will get done in the near future and we will see a full 82 game schedule. Little things like GB saying, “So we have about nine or 10 days to get this all put to bed, signed, sealed and delivered, in order for this offer to be effective and for us to move forward”. It doesn’t take 9 days to get all the paperwork done if the PA agrees to the contract tomorrow. They’ll likely both compromise a little and they’ll get a deal done in time to save the whole 82 game season.
I see it ending up like this:
Players HRR is 53% is year 1, and 50% for the rest of the deal. Players take a small hit in their salaries next season in order to preserve the full 82 games, which is smart. Owners give up more in year 1 than they wanted to, but they know the hit they’ll take if they miss any games this season is worth more than a 3% difference in the players salaries for 1 year. The owners also get the 50-50 split that we’ve known is what they wanted the whole time, even if they failed to admit it.
Players contracts are capped at 7 years in length. Owners want 5, but they know they won’t get that. The Players might agree to 6 years depending on just how badly they want to play this season.
Players reach unrestricted free agency after 8 years of service, or age 28. A 1 year increase that the owners want and the PA will agree to in order to get the % of HRR that they want in year 1.
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Neil Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
@CB14, Should be that easy…right???? Agree with everything…
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
@CB14,
“we have about nine or 10 days to get this all put to bed” -The Devil
Huh? Less than one week of training camp before the first game is played on November 2nd? Nonsense.
“I’m pleased the owners finally offered a new deal”
This was a calculated move to garner public support. Nothing more IMO. They waited until now to use the “82 games” as a bargaining chip. The players would have to accept right away for that to happen. Hardly an honest proposal. Pure PR.
“I’m also interested to learn what the percentage of HRR is in years 2-6″
It’s the same for all 6 years. Fiddy/Fiddy.
“I do think a deal will get done in the near future and we will see a full 82 game schedule.”
No way, no how. Remember, this is designed to make the players union look bad. It will because people are naturally excited and will be let down since there’s no time to work out all the details and actually negotiate more before the 82 games are cut down. Not going to happen.
Or I’m completely wrong
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CB14 Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), They might not be able to play on November 2, but I think there’s still a SLIM chance that we’ll see an 82 game season. I read somehere that the shortened schedule would mean one more game per team every 5 weeks. Even if the start is pushed back another week, I still see both sides trying to get in the full 82 games. More games equals more money for both sides.
Whether it was calculated or not, and it likely was, the main purpose it will serve is to get the ball rolling. The two sides were each waiting on one another to blink first, and even though the owners barely blinked by going from 49% to 50%, now the PA can make a counter offer without people wondering why they didn’t make this new offer a month ago.
I hadn’t read anywhere that the 50-50 split is for all 6 years. That’s good to hear.
Call me an optimist.
luc20rules Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
@CB14, Thanks for the details, but I am done trying to negotiate for them. I did say even if its tweaked a little. I had some rather elaborate & lengthy posts about how to resolve the problems. I think the elephant in the room that neither side wants to address is the range from Max to Min not expanding with the Max Cap. The NHLPA wants the high Min Cap & the NHL wants to try and have parity, but that is more of a GM & Scouting that is competent than about dollars to an extent.
Lets just drop the puck, so we can see that banner get raised. It will be something I never forget like game 6.
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CB14 Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
@luc20rules, Yeah, that is one of the main reasons why so many small market teams lose money. They’re forced to have a payroll that they know they won’t be able to make a profit with, or even break even.
Thanks Nick very nice
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…..thanks Nick….that was a gem……was 38 then….where does the time go….
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Thanks Nick! I appreciate you having a link on here that we can download without having to go to LAKings.com. Alot of us don’t want to support the NHL right now by going to their sites and giving them ad revenue. Keep the podcasts coming.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
@CB14, Your probably on moderation for this post?
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CB14 Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
@luc20rules, Nope!
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luc20rules Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
@CB14, Right, Bettman’s too busy waiting for the phone to ring to review our posts. LOL
NICK….
thanks for the legal flashback…and welcome aboard…;)
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Abit more clarity on the NHL’s offer.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/19780/breaking-down-the-leagues-proposal
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Dear Mr. Backes, while I understand your example. Please don’t compare us in this fashion we likely hate our jobs and get paid 1/90th of your salary. You do play a game that you love and many of us do too so we pay 4% to 8% of our small incomes in pay to play leagues per your example. That said you should try to get whats fair, but please try to understand us working stiffs will work jobs we hate not into our late 30s, but into our late 60s and never have the financial security that you will enjoy after your late 20s. Lets not forget the NHL players have enjoyed a pay increase of about 200% over the last CBA, and us working stiffs have been lucky if we still have jobs and have 12% increase over the same time frame.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/19785/players-cautiously-optimistic-after-nhls-proposal
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After reading the update on the offer….the players should take it and be happy. If the players say no…then the owners should open camp with replacement players and whoever wants to play…. Agree or disagree???
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variable Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
@Neil,
undecided…
i want to know more about the peripheral issues…this might be the best deal the NHLPA can get but….:
“In the end, the most important part of this offer and the one that players will have the most focus on is the league’s complicated mechanism in which it says players’ salaries will be kept whole in first few years via deferred payments, etc. My guess is that the NHLPA will try to poke holes in this and would prefer to keep it more simple and have a higher percentage of HRR in the opening few years — some transition down to 50-50 instead of going to 50-50 right form the start.”
this is part of the escrow process…right now, it’s at 17-18%…the league would like to see it rise into the 20′s…I think that’s gonna be a major issue that the players won’t back down from UNLESS other upfront revenue sharing concessions are made to offset any deferments…i think this is critical…i also think that the NHLPA won’t like where the league wants to draw the lines regarding UFA’s…
this might be a good start…but, like the article says, if the NHLPA comes back too aggressive, a “deep freeze” might happen…
i want to read the whole enchilada before i get too excited…
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CB14 Reply:
October 16th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
@Neil, I disagree that the players should accept the current deal. I’m of the opinion that the contracts that both the players and the owners signed should be paid in full. I could see someone making the case for the players to take an immediate pay cut if the NHL were doing poorly financially, but that’s not the case. The NHL just had record revenues last season. Like variable alluded to, the current plan that the NHL has for paying the players doesn’t seem very full proof. The Owners need to honor the contracts that they signed, and then get their 50-50 deal in year 2.
I also hate the idea of replacement players, although I’d certainly watch the movie about the replacement players starring Keanu Reeves. There’s something about horribly bad sports movies that I just can’t resist.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 6:35 am
@CB14,
“Mr. Anderson…….”
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Kings Fan In Temecula Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 8:16 am
@Neil, i think 50/50′s fair enough
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 8:52 am
@Kings Fan In Temecula, It’s not a matter of fair. When the say 50/50 you just automatically think, ‘oh, yeah, that makes sense,’ but what you fail to understand is 50 percent of what? And HOW is that determined? You know, the details. The 50/50 thing is pure PR designed to make people think in the most simplistic terms and it’s working.
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Cesar A Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 8:54 am
@Neil, I agree with you. If the NHLPA rejects the NHL offer then the owners should use replacement players.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:14 am
@Neil, I would laugh so hard if the owners did that. It would be a horrible move on their part because it would fail miserably. I would be willing to bet that not a single fan of the NHL (which, just as a reminder, is a hockey league made up of the best players in the world) would ever attend or watch a game with replacement players. I’ll bet my life savings on that and win. Why? Because any fan who would watch such a league isn’t watching the NHL by definition. It would be the RHL or the SHL.
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Neil Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:29 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Replacement players PLUS whoever wants to join….The elite playes have the option of going overseas….the rest dont have that option.After reading the offer on the NHL website…it seems very fair(with a few touch ups)…the players not playing overseas might want to play…Fehr will do anything to keep the lockout going.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@Neil,
“Fehr will do anything to keep the lockout going.”
What does this even mean? Are you implying he has an interest other than that for which he was hired by the players?
Let me clear up a misconception. If Gary Bettman was representing the players, he would be doing the exact same thing Donald Fehr is doing…and vice versa. These guys are hired to represent their client’s interests to the best of their ability. Nothing more.
luc20rules Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
@Neil, Wrong the NHL has minor league farm teams, juniors, and some 2 way ECHL players, so its not like the NFL or NBA where the replacements would be the 2nd tier talent. It would be more like 4th tier talent that would lose to a good(not best top 20ish) college team. Quite frankly for the price I would just go ahead and see the Reign in that senario.
This is not a take it or leave it offer, but a point in which they can negotiate. Hopefully the NHLPA comes back quick with an offer not to far off, and then they can meet and hammer out a final compromise. I hope neither has a ultimatum type offer as the egos here are scary big.
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only way things get truly bad is if nhlpa outrights rejects deal and counter proposal is radicaly different then bigtime trouble but that wont happen. season coming baby cant wait
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They starve us of NHL hockey then they give us the UN-replacements for Hammond. From tops to bottoms – definitely a season to go down in Kings history. We all knew the good times wouldn’t last long. Enough with the scabs.
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I’m going nuts here. I have watched the nhl channel so much in an effort to get my “hockey high”. I have seen all the Kings replays at least 3 times (something I won’t ever get tired of) and other games in infinity. Right now I’m watching the Caps-vs-NYR for the umpteenth time.
Glad to see some movement was made in the negotiations. I’m not a big fan of baseball nor the overhyped sport of football. Action-wise hockey offers 60 minutes of action, while football gives you maybe 30 minutes of actual playing.
In hockey a player gets hurt and unless he gets killed, takes a few stitches and maybe misses one shift, while the football player gets hit overly hard you would think the world has ended.
As for the season going into June, attaboy, I would like the game to be played year around. Break the regular season just long enough for the Kings to win another cup.
There is no substitute for hockey !!! GKG
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Old Codger Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 6:23 am
@Old Codger, The only drawback to watching these replays is tolerating Pierre McGuire!
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Forum Gold Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 7:00 am
@Old Codger, Have you seen Oil Change?
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Kings Fan In Temecula Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 8:15 am
@Old Codger, you can say that again, hockey till i die man
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NBC has announced that due to the NHL lock-out, Doc Emerick has been assigned as the announcer for NBCs coverage of ice skating. Cant wait to see that and hear the call “triiiiple sowcowwwww!!!”. Good move NBC, make something that was unwatchable to start with even more unwatchable. Save Doc, Start Hockey! (omg, cant believe I said that)
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:11 am
@DesertKing, He RIFLED that triple axel.
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From Don Fehr’s letter to playres …
“The Players’ Share is reduced to 50 per cent from 57 per cent immediately — this season. This is a reduction in the share of 12.3 per cent. On last year’s revenue numbers, this would mean that players’ salaries would be cut by about $231 million.”
OK … What about
NBA – 49~51%
Which means NBA players get cut about $228~304 million.
so Don thinks players should get compensated more with the record revenue growing and all.
What do you guys think?
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Cesar A Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 8:47 am
@goldielocks, If the NHLPA comes back with a counterproposal to the NHL’s one that does not accept the HRR 50% and limit on the number of contract years then folks get ready for this hockey season to be cancelled by the NHL as soon as next month. The NHLPA better accept this NHL proposal for the sake of the sport of hockey or face a backlash coming from fans. Also, if more losses are incurred by teams the so called details that are in Donald Fehr’s letter to players will go drastically down and there would not be $231 million to argue about. The NHLPA especially Donald Fehr forgets that fans are the ones who pay for tickets for see hockey games and fans are the ones who buy the players merchandise. It is simply idiotic for Donald Fehr to neglect this fact in his letter. If the 2012-2013 NHL season is cancelled due to labor strife between NHL and NHLPA the NHLPA will be to blame for it and nothing else. The NHL has presented a concrete plan to save the season and get the players back on the ice. The NHLPA would be shooting themselves on the foot if they do not eventually accept this offer. I predict many NHL hockey fans to walk away from this sport if the NHLPA forces the NHL to cancel the season by refusing to agree on the NHL’s proposal
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 8:58 am
@Cesar A, Wow. You’ve fallen for the owners proposal hook, line and sinker. This is the exact response the owners were hoping fans would have to their totally insincere and calculated proposal. How is that not obvious? Your doomsday scenario is both exaggerated and without merit. The players will reject this offer, get more than the so-called ‘even split,’ AND there will still be a season. That’s my prediction.
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King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Why is that bad Paul? We fans want hockey. This is the bottom line. Look these players make more money then any one of us on this blog site. Yes they deserve to have their voices heard. But c’ mon man. If we lose this season people are going to give up on hockey. Plain and simple. Just get back on the ice, play hockey, get in your BMW”S, drive to your house on the beach, look over the ocean, and count your blessing. In a world where it is getting harder and harder to make an honest dollar, these players need to humble themselves and sign the deal!!! Basketball sucks, baseball is lame, and football has to many commercials, we need hockey back now!!!
Cesar A Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), I respectfully disagree with your prediction. If the NHLPA rejects this offer the season would be cancelled by Bettman as early as next month. Players must realize that these so called revenues they are seeking to get more of might not be there if another NHL season is cancelled. The NHLPA would be blamed if the NHL cancels this 2012-2013 season.
King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:22 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), All hail Cesar!!!
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Both of you are highly emotional about this issue. We all want hockey. The idea that the players should just sign whatever is put in front of them is naive at best and downright irresponsible toward the worse end. To make wholesale proclamations regarding ‘fans quitting the NHL’ and ‘the players will be blamed’ is just pure projection of your own personal feelings and in no way supported by any facts or polls or history itself. Some fans may leave, while others won’t. Some fans will blame the players, while others won’t. Let’s be real, shall we?
Cesar A Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), My view is not naive because I based on knowing who pays for hockey tickets, hockey merchandise. The last I heard owners or players were not giving away free NHL merchandise to fans. Aren’t we the fans the consumers of the NHL? What happens if us as the consumers boycott the NHL and the NHLPA and refuse to attend hockey games or buy hockey merchandise?
luc20rules Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), I agree, but to say the offer is insincere is a bit extreme as they are not saying its an ultimatum, non-negotiable or has a deadline. I think the one just before the lockout and to start the negotiations were, but think this one is close enough to what the final CBA will be that the 2 sides can at least have reasonable discussions. The NHLPA needs to decide what items like 28/8 vs 27/7 are worth fighting for. I know there are other points other than the 50/50, which I am think may be reached year by year. I am just saying this offer leads us much closer to a point where true negotiating can occur.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@luc20rules, I’m pretty sure the deal is off the table if the 82 game season cannot be preserved. At least I thought I heard that.
goldielocks Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:21 am
@goldielocks,
More from Don Fehr’s letter …
“Simply put, the owners’ new proposal, while not quite as Draconian as their previous proposals, still represents enormous reductions in player salaries and individual contracting rights. As you will see, at the 5 per cent industry growth rate the owners predict, the salary reduction over six years exceeds $1.6 billion. What do the owners offer in return?”
Given the enormous concessions players made in the last round, plus 7 years of record revenue reaching $3.3 billion last season, there is no reason for a reduction in the amount the players receive.
How about
NFL – $11 billion
MLB – $7 billion
NBA – $3.8 billion
NHL – $3.3 billion
Revenue growth in the future is just a speculation. If I were an owner, I’d say ‘Talk to me when NHL revenue surpasses NBA’s’.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:23 am
@goldielocks,
I find it hard to believe the NBA’s revenue is only 500m more than the NHL. The Lakers’ TV deal alone was worth 2B, or the same amount as the ENTIRE NHL’s NATIONAL TV deal with NBC.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 10:53 am
@goldielocks,
“Revenue growth in the future is just a speculation.”
Then tie salaries to growth. Oh wait, that makes too much sense.
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Nice recap of a tremendous season with such fond memories.
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And Paul… I do think that you should be interviewed for the new opening at the Insider.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
@King Charles of Salt Lake,
Very kind of you Charles. I will apply but I’m afraid the qualifications are beyond my experience. As much as I believe I can do it, and do it well, it seems they are looking for someone who is already well established in the field. Then again, who knows. We shall see.
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So is Oct. 25th the deadline for the NHLPA for a full season to be saved?
I don’t believe in much reading the news from the horses mouth, THAT story on NHL.com is a PR game. “we want to save the full season” said about 3 times. This is the best/most fair deal.
I am not going to pretend i know what a good deal is. I just want hockey. Nothing more, nothing less.
I still want to punch Fehr as much as Bettman even though both are puppets.
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King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:28 am
@Lake Forest, Yes I feel the same way. A nice punch right in the “chops” would do a world of good!!!
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Costs are going UP for the owners.Owners ARE allowed to make money…Reasons for a conflick…Working Conditions…well no complaint there….Hotel and travel….no complaints there…Health Care…..no complaints there….Salaries…..shouldnt be a complaint there. The top players will make the top salaries. The bottom players will STILL make a great salary.Its not like going 50 50 is going to change the salary where a player on the roster is going to suffer. What is the minium salary??? If you take the amout the players are giving back and then avg it out thru the league…How much are we really talking about??? NO players will be looking for a second job….
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@Neil,
Costs are going UP for the players. Players ARE allowed to make money. The top owners will make the top revenue. The bottom owners will STILL make great revenue. Its not like going 55 45 is going to change the revenue where an owner is going to suffer. If you take the amout the owners are giving to the players and then avg it out thru the league…How much are we really talking about??? NO owners will be looking for a second job….
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luc20rules Reply:
October 18th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Some fans however may have to get a second job to afford NHL tickets and/or cable/dish/directTV sports packages.
Will work for Hockey.
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Don Fehr, like most of those supporting the NHLPA stand position, refuse to mention, see or accept that the revenue increase to $3.3 billion also carries a little pesky thing called COST INCREASE. From players salaries to operations.
While he NHL is focusing on Net growth/loss, the NHLPA, the media and most of the fans only talk about Gross Revenue, as if the cost of creating that revenue did not exist.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 17th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
@Gustavo, I posted at the start of negotiations that having players salaries tied to HRR guarantees cost certainty, but not profitability. The salaries should by tied to profit margin, but good luck negotiating that now. Also another one of the main problems is the Min/Max Cap range being fixed at 16 Mil/yr. That figure should have increased with the Max Cap as a percentage. First year of last CBA Max Cap 38 mil/yr, Min Cap 22 mil/yr % of Min/Max Ratio 58%. This year Max 70 mil, Min 54 mil % of Min/Max Ratio 77%. Effectively the Min/Max Cap ratio has gone up 19% over the last CBA, and the Min Cap has increased 145.45% over the CBA. Gee I wonder why the small market teams are finacially a wreck. While fundamentally you are correct employees shouldn’t be telling companies how to spend profits the NHL is odd in that it votes with 29 other companys to tell them how to spend their money, so its wacky to begin with.
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variable Reply:
October 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
@Gustavo,
but that’s not the player’s responsibility…
you cannot blame the players for INCREASING OPERATING COST…you can certainly make them pay for it – which the NHL is solely inclined to do…
but if the NHL maxed it’s efficiency in franchise allocations, proper revenue sharing between the larger /smaller markets and got out of markets which are dragging down the rest of the league, we wouldn’t be where we are now…
many of the OPERATING COST INCREASES of resulted in poor franchise development and real estate deals…if the NHL has to control three or four franchises at a time with their OWN money, of course the operating cost – unilaterally – would affect the rest of the league…
that’s why you can say 50/50…or 60/40….or any number in between – it doesn’t matter…HRR has become subjective – and that was the NHL’s choice – they let that figure control the talks…the NHLPA has played their game…most of what FEHR has said has been true…and i believe he negotiates in good faith…
on the other hand, do you really believe the NHL is negotiating fairly, in spite of which side you support…?
the cap percentages, ratios discussed by LUC20RULES above seem about right…but you have to understand that the NHL believes in spending…yes, that’s right…they want teams to spend money to be competitive…so they are forced to narrow floor-from-ceiling ratios and force the smaller market teams to keep up…that’s how they believe they can maintain a competitive balance among all 30 teams…
the problem is that they have been proven wrong…
wrong in moving hartford…
wrong in moving to atlanta…
wrong in bailing out phoenix instead of contracting or relocating them…
wrong for not having a team in seattle…
wrong for keeping the islanders (the wangers) on the island – hey…they’ve tried everything, nothing has worked…it’s been over a decade now with no end in sight…hello okc…?…las vegas…?…seattle…?…hamilton…?
wrong in aiding new jersey in their attempt to remain solvent with past/current ownership…
wrong in letting florida move out of the miami heat’s arena…
wrong in underestimating the resolve of the players this time around…
with the exception of my last point about underestimating the player’s resolve, everything else has ADDED to the NHL’s OVERALL OPERATING COSTS and has greatly affected the NHL’s PROFITABILITY…
how are the player’s responsible for this…?
sure, they have agents…but no agent in the world is able to forge a GM’s/owners signature(s)…
this is the NHL fighting with the NHL…and they own this lockout…the players are the scapegoats…and i give them a bit more leeway in the media and PR world than i do the nhl – they have earned it by taking massive cuts in the past…
all the NHL has done during the duration of the last CBA is make the league more popular AT ANY COSTS…this is the NHL’s lockout…the players are just the patsy’s…
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I like the Kings History podcasts. However, part 2 of Bob Pulford’s interview seems to be missing from the feed. Any chance of getting that back?
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for a second I thought the title was Rick Knickle.
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I love Bernie Nicholls when he played, but I know him as a person and the guy unlike Bob Miller and Nick Nickson isn’t married and is with two young girls. I can say I lost respect for him as a person. As a player he was great. Personally Taylor and Rogie and my man Ziggy Palffy. I love them all, but Ziggy with the team he played with showed how great he was. Nicholls don’t become a Hardy and be careful I got my eye on you.
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