There’s been some interesting debate/discussion about whose names did/didn’t make the cut, in terms of representing the Kings on the Stanley Cup. First, some perspective. Out of curiosity, I looked at the Kings’ list, compared to the last two lists (Boston and Chicago) and broke the names into five categories: players, coaches, ownership/front office, scouts and trainers/equipment staff. Here’s the breakdown…
PLAYERS: Kings 24, Bruins 22, Blackhawks 23.
COACHES: Kings 5, Bruins 5, Blackhawks 6.
OWNERSHIP: Kings 14, Bruins 13, Blackhawks 14.
SCOUTS: Kings 6, Bruins 6, Blackhawks 2.
TRAINERS: Kings 4, Bruins 6, Blackhawks 7.
Each team has its share of “Who’s that?” names. The Kings included Phil Anschutz’s wife and AEG’s general counsel. The Bruins included owner Jeremy Jacobs’ wife and three children. The Blackhawks included their team doctor and massage therapist. The suggestion that the Kings stacked their list with “suits” doesn’t really hold water, particularly when some of those suggestions designate scouts and equipment guys as “suits.” The equipment guys, in particular, would find that hysterical.
Then there’s Andrei Loktionov, who did not automatically qualify to have his name on the Cup. The Kings did not petition the league to have him included on their list, apparently because they knew his chances were quite slim. Personally, I would have tried to petition for him, but it’s true that his chances wouldn’t have been good. In 2010-11, Steven Kampfer played 38 regular-season games for Boston (one fewer than Loktionov last season). The Bruins petitioned the league to include him and they were denied. The Kings were able to petition to get the names of Davis Drewiske and Kevin Westgarth on the Cup, because they were a part of the team for the entire season. That makes sense to me. By being around the team all year, by working during (and long after) practices and by being supportive, popular teammates, they did more to assist the team than Loktionov. I understand that’s a subjective opinion, and I still would have at least tried the petition for Loktionov, but this doesn’t rise to the level of unforgivable sin.
IMO:
Coaches and Players. Maybe the GM. Any more debases the Trophy.
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Rich Hammond Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I wouldn’t go so far as to say “debases,” but I also wouldn’t argue with those limitations.
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Gustavo Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@Rich Hammond,
As much as I appreciate the info on the three teams comparison, it only serves to reinforce my opinion that nepotism runs rampant in the NHL.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:55 pm
@Gustavo, Sir, If you check the “rosters” of most companies you will find nepotism runs rampant in ALL industries and businesses, including the government. All of us at some point have been subjected to it….and here we go again. I agree with the first comment, Players FIRST…..coaches and staff…GM and staff…MHO
coco Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
What about BOB MILLER. Can someone explain to me why his name isn’t on the Cup?
USHA#17 Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
@Rich Hammond,
Traditionally hockey has been quirky, a part of it charm. If a child’s name appeared for example as part of a ‘make a wish” type of event I would love the sport even more for that.
But, the names of an owner’s young children…I would think the people who service the Staples restrooms during games are more deserving.
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Action Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@USHA#17,
“Maybe” the GM???
Personally, if every Cup Champ gets 52(ish) names, I don’t see how anything is debased (though Jacobs’ children being included seems eyebrow raising at best, egomaniacal at worst). I once attended a WHL game with a member of the Kings staff (one of the 53 names), and the scouting info they collect on these kids is mind boggling. They have lots of input in not just drafting, but trades as well. The work those guys put in, in my opinion, is worthy of a place on the Cup.
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USHA#17 Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
@Action,
So who is to say that 52 names was not excessive to begin with? If someone sets two dozen fresh donuts in front of you do you eat them all?
Do you feel the names of an owner’s children are appropriate?
Yes, and I once introduced a person to hockey who, as a result became in charge of the Kings sales office (no, name isn’t on the cup). Everyone works hard. Where would you draw a line?
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pitty Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
@USHA#17,
Could not agree more. Should be for players, coaches, Trainers and GM only. Sorry Rich “Debases” is right on the money. The players, coaches, trainers and GM earn the right. The owners and suits buy the right and that’s wrong.
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john Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 am
@pitty, the owners also pay all the salaries for the other names on that list, every year, win or lose. owners for the most part lose money, and virtually none of them make a reasonable return on investment. so in other words, owners are subsidizing your interest in high quality hockey, because they love it too. you should be thankful not resentful.
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Mark Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
@USHA#17, maybe the GM? lol if it werent for lombardi hard work our boys wouldnt have won the cup
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USHA#17 Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
@Mark,
OK, I’ll bite. Just needed to draw a line. The GM is good cut off point IMO.
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dMan Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@USHA#17, this debate could go on and on. Is it fair that the owners’ names are on the cup? Well, they finance the operations, so yes maybe – though wife, kids and general counsel is pushing in IMO.
The list of names is so subjective; should Terry Murray be eligible? What about Dave Taylor who drafted a number of these players in the first place? I say no and no.
I’m sure the team (Lombardi and company) had to balance the names and come to a consensus; Westgarth and Drewiski were part of the team all year as Rich points out, they provided support and encouragement. They also have more “tenure” than Loktionov.
Regardless, this was a great experience for Loktionov and hopefully, his name will be on the next Kings cup win!
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USHA#17 Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@dMan,
Looking back upon the Edmonton trade decision the general consul should have been traded.
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dMan Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:15 am
@USHA#17, general consul or general counsel?
IN King (formerly AZ King) Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
@USHA#17,
Sorry, there would be no team without the owners, so this whole line of thinking is pointless. When you pony up the money for an NHL team you can have whoever you want on it.
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KingsATX Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
@IN King (formerly AZ King), Thanks for straightening out everyone else’s thinking with your infinite wisdom. Someone had to stand up for money/nepotism vs integrity. Boldly done.
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IN King (formerly AZ King) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
@KingsATX,
Sorry if you didn’t like what I said, but it doesn’t make it wrong. It doesn’t mean that I think it’s fair, but it is the reality of the situation. So complaining about it is pointless.
wes Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@USHA#17, read the first 8 or 10 replies/ replies to replies and got the gist. I’ll stand with the blog master here. Nice, artful, rational, relevant post, Rich Hammond.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:03 am
@USHA#17, So Trainer’s have nothing to do with winning? They only keep the guys on the ice. Equipment people have nothing to do with it? They only keep the equipment in top shape all saeson and into the playoffs so the players can do what they do.
Owner’s, you know, those people paying the players have nothing to do with it?
Scouts? Those strange guys who fly all over the world to find the best talent for the team?
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USHA#17 Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 am
@mrbrett7,
When you think about it everyone has something to do with it, now don’t we?
Fans, Media, in fact why not petition to add Jalapeno Double-Double to the cup?
How many goals were the result of instructions which you yelled from the stands…4? 6? Perhaps the difference between 8th and 9th place! mrbrett7
No, its the team members, GM and Coaching staff. I might buy in for an involved owner….depends. In many respects the rest are interchangeable.
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I WANT MY HOCKEY!!!!!!!!!
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And there you have it. All along it was that wonderfully managed and run organization, the NHL, (you know the one who just locked all the players out, gives away a free point for losing a game, and stops Game 6 of a Stanley Cup Final in 1999 and awards a Cup then mysteriously change a rule to make that possible) that apparently DOESN’T have a problem with the owners wife and legal counsel being on there but DOES have a problem with somebody being just a few games short of their completely arbitrary requirements.
Anybody out there still like the way this league is managed?
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LB Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@HockeyNerd,
That does seem strange that players must meet a certain criteria or receive NHL approval, while any non-players are completely up to the team to put on the Cup.
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Gustavo Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
@HockeyNerd,
NOPE!
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vegasking Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@HockeyNerd, Wish we had Rodger Goodell as our commish.
Bettman is a joke. And a bad one at that.
Gotta go puke now.
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SDGolfer Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
@vegasking, Goodell? LOL!
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JD Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
@SDGolfer, goodell would have done something about clowe playing the puck from the bench
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
@SDGolfer, Mickey Mouse would have done something about Clowe playing the Puck from his bench.
vegasking Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@SDGolfer, What, you like Bettman? Fact is that in Goodells’
sport they had an officials strike, and all it took was one
nationally televised huge blown call that changed a games’
outcome. Then bam…3 days later, strike solved.
I don’t understand how you can think that working hard in and after practice contributes more to a team’s success than playing in 39 regular +2 playoff games. No matter how awesome the scout team is, the guys playing the actual games have more to do with the team’s success than the guys in the 2 on 2 drills.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
@lowdrive,
This makes the most sense to me. And while I don’t enjoy putting Westy and Whiskey in the ‘less than’ category, I do believe games played should be the main criteria when petitioning the league, not time spent with the club. After all, waivers comes into play BIG TIME in those decisions.
That said, I do believe Westy’s anchor-like attitude was valuable from a team perspective, which is why I wouldn’t remove him or Whiskey from the Cup. I just wish Lokti was on it too. And Bob. And Jim. And, oh, never mind.
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lowdrive Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Basically, Westgarth and Drewiske are players, not coaches. Being rah rah and helpful at practice only goes so far. Bottom line is that they were not good enough or valuable enough to be in the lineup more than a hand full of games. They were good enough to not be in the AHL (or couldn’t go down without waivers) or valuable enough as backups, but were not good enough to contribute the requisite 41 games. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy they get to be on the cup, but the logic that its because they’re nice guys and helpful in practice is just silly when compared to playing in actual games.
I just can’t imagine what the petition for the league looked like. “These two guys were healthy scratches for 70+ games and the entire playoffs, can they be on the cup?” and that’s somehow better than “this guy played 39 games and 2 playoff games. Can he get in?” Ah well, can we get some games on so I can stop dwelling on this insignificant issue? =)
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
@lowdrive,
Not to mention being injured is supposed to count for something when petitioning the league.
Guess who played the same number of games as Drewiske and was also with the team all year but was injured? Yep, Scott Parse.
Hmmm…the thought plickens.
rick Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
@lowdrive, Totally agree with you.
And my wallet keeps screaming at me:
“…And you spend HOW MUCH on this league every years????…”
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How about a petition for Mark Bavis and “Ace” Bailey.
Or Bob Miller and Jim Fox.
This is the time for respect…..
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“The Kings did not petition the league to have him included on their list, apparently because they knew his chances were quite slim.”
If you know Rich, is this something you were told by the Kings or you are surmising? I only ask because of the published report that the decision was based on ‘internal criteria,’ which appears to contradict this.
It’s one thing if the Kings knew ahead of time his name would not be accepted by the NHL and thus did not petition it. It’s an entirely different thing if they didn’t petition the NHL because Lokti didn’t meet their own internal Kings criteria.
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SLIM Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
“The Kings did not petition the league to have him included on their list, apparently because they knew his chances were quite slim.”
I had NOTHING to do with it!
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luc20rules Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Is it possible that in the past practice was that only 2 non qualifying players would be on the cup per year? Does anyone know. I am guessing Quisp may have the resources or memory to know. If the Kings decided to put Westy & DD2 knowing a 3rd wouldn’t be accepted? But for a minority owner of course you can even put a 53rd name(Roski), Hmmmm?
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The bottom line is the Kings thought they had a better chance of winning the Stanley Cup with Andrei Loktionov in their lineup over Kevin Westgarth. That’s why Loktionov dressed for 2 games in the playoffs and Westgarth dressed for zero. But when it comes down to recognizing that player that they counted on, he got the shaft.
Great lesson to teach my 4 year old son who’s starting soccer. You can help your team win the league title, but when it comes down to getting your trophy, the kid who sat in his dad’s truck and watched every game is going to get your trophy cause he’s more popular with the team.
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Quisp Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
@B-Rad,
But he can have a nice patch or lapel pin.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:28 am
@B-Rad, For some reason this reminds me of the sushi video where Lokti was eating by himself.
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Yes, Drewiske and Westgarth (two players I like a lot by the way) were positive and popular, good sports about not playing much. That’s important. But come on: if they hadn’t had good attitudes, they wouldn’t have been on the team at all. They would have been waived and we would have been looking at Jordan Nolan much earlier, and Jake Muzzin.
I don’t accept the rationale that the Kings knew Loktionov’s name would be rejected by the league, since that same reasoning excludes Drewiske and Westgarth, too. Any “they’re such great guys” argument could be applied by the Kings to whomever they wanted to.
They didn’t want to.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:33 am
@Quisp, There could be more to the story but I agree. It does seem like the logical conclusion. Not petitioning says volumes to me.
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rick Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
@Quisp, Very much agree with you. The Kings played favorites on this one, and I don’t care for it – or for the subsequent “explanation”. The cover up only makes the crime that much worse.
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Has the criteria for being on the cup ever changed?
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Just because someone thinks Loktionov deserves to be on the Cup doesn’t mean they think his exclusion is an “unforgivable sin”. Some of us are just bored during the lockout.
Still…. Ted Fikre? Come on.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:22 am
@Jesse Cohen, Yep. I think the outrage would be far less if there was hockey as usual. Sad, but true.
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DLB Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:26 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), That’s an assumption I don’t agree with. It’s a slap in the face to a player if they pick and choose who to petition for. People are going to care.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:34 am
@DLB, Agreed. People would care. I’m simply saying that with a bunch of news coming out of camp, the discussion would naturally get diluted. Especially on here where threads can get buried in a matter of hours.
Choralone Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
@DLB, You mean people besides Lotkionov and his mom are going to care?
DLB Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 8:51 am
Yes, they clearly do care.
And I for one would care without a lockout. This is a big deal–the Stanley Cup! Their names are on the Cup forever. Fairness matters.
We wish it mattered more to the Kings.
Go Kings Go!
Still here in Vegas going to see Tim Allen show
meet some Kings fans in the lobby at Venetian
great to see some fans also got the MGM mag
with Drew’s picture holding
LA Kings Stanley Cup At least I got to see
a King this trip even if only on paper
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I just heard the sound of Quisp’s head exploding
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Quisp Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
@HawaiiKingsFan,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZmrDflVfWc
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
@Quisp,
Nice!
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Rich,
Now that the names are on the Cup, have you seen anything about what the rings will look like or when the players will get them? Also, is Penner going to stop wearing his Ducks one now that he has a ring with a proper team on it?
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And the other shoe drops. Loktionov will ask for trade: http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/09/horrible-news-and-why-am-i-not-surprised/
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:19 am
@Quisp, I think I’ll wait on believing Larionov for now. Just read your blog. Sorry about the too-real fauxtoshop. Shoulda put a logo on it.
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Osaka Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 3:48 am
@Quisp, Oh the guy who couldn’t get his name on the cup has a lot of leverage. A minor league player asking for a trade, good luck with that. Why bother reporting to Manchester?
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Osaka Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 3:51 am
@Osaka, He wouldn’t even be taken if he were on waivers.
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Quisp Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
@Osaka,
Andrei Loktionov wouldn’t be taken if he were on waivers? I’m sitting here trying to think of something I could say to that, that wouldn’t violate Rich’s commenting policy.
I guess two people can watch the same hockey and see two totally different things.
Osaka Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:24 am
@Quisp, OK OK, maybe Tampa or NYI would take him. Are you still miffed about losing Purcell and Moulson? You still can’t admit DL’s vision to building a winner, ever though different from yours, is effective. He won the cup with his type of players. You wanted more offense at any cost. You wanted to forgo the character guys for the one A-hole who was just an offensive force. Instead we got Nolan, King, and Carter. Can Lokti skate better than Nolan or King? Does it matter?
Lokti doesn’t fit into the Kings mold, let him go play for Tampa.
Quisp Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:38 am
@Osaka,
You’re confused. I’m not “miffed” about losing Purcell or Moulson. I am, however, a fan of both Purcell and Moulson. I was a fan of them when Lombardi signed them. I was a fan of them when commenters on this (actually the old Rich) site bashed them unreservedly. I defended them when people said they couldn’t hack it in the NHL. I predicted they would be productive scorers in the NHL. But when they each moved on, I didn’t complain about it. In Moulson’s case, his fate was sealed by the acquisition of Ryan Smyth. In retrospect, should Lombardi have kept Moulson and not bothered to trade Kyle Quincey for Smyth? Oh, probably. But then we wouldn’t have Penner, and we wouldn’t have both Voynov and Martinez (maybe one but not both). Hindsight is 20:20. In Purcell’s case, the trade for Jeff Halpern turned out to be a waste. But would Purcell have found room in the top-six to be effective? Who knows? And again, had he not been traded and found his legs year before last, we wouldn’t have ended up with Penner (or Gagne, for that matter). And I like Penner. So, again, hindsight.
“You still can’t admit DL’s vision to building a winner, ever though different from yours, is effective.”
Not only do I admit that DL’s vision was/is correct, but I have been his biggest supporter since day one. I even started a blog based on the fact that commenters on Rich’s old site frequently accused me of being a Lombardi stooge if not actually Lombardi in disguise. It was called “Kings Kool Aid.” In fact, if you tallied every criticism ever leveled at my hockey opinions, 99% of them would be some form of “he’s a kool-aid drinking Lombardi apologist.” But that doesn’t mean I am not critical of Lombardi, or Murray, or the Kings.
“You wanted more offense at any cost. You wanted to forgo the character guys for the one A-hole who was just an offensive force. Instead we got Nolan, King, and Carter.”
Yeah, well, not at any cost. I just thought — and still think — that having three lines that are essentially three versions of the same line is easier to defend against than having lines with different abilities. Until the arrival of Carter, Nolan and King, the third line of Stoll/Hunter/Moreau/Penner/Lewis/Richardson was pretty much a disaster, not scoring at all, and not as good defensively as the top two lines…therefore: a problem.
The problem with putting Loktionov on the third unit — and this has been pretty widely conceded — is that there was no one to finish. A third line of speedy offensive guys just couldn’t be achieved with the available personnel.
You mention Carter, Nolan and King. Now, King I never had much of an opinion on either way. But Nolan I have always been a huge supporter of, and in fact predicted long ago he would make the team by 2012-13. And Carter is exactly the “******* who can score” I was referring to.
I never argued to forego character guys. I just pointed out that a team of 20 character guys is not going to win any championships. This is not anti-Lombardi. In fact, it’s Lombardi’s right-hand man who said (paraphrase), “the best hockey players are not necessarily the best citizens or the kinds of guys you want your daughter to marry.”
I suspect I am looking farther ahead than you are. I just don’t think Jarret Stoll in two years is going to be more desirable than Andrei Loktionov in two years (just as Ryan Smyth now is not as desirable as Matt Moulson now). You also have to keep in mind that in two years it’s very likely that Stoll, Penner and Gagne will be gone. And then you will need a center for a line that will in all likelihood feature Tyler Toffoli. Jarret Stoll is not that center. Nor is any third line character guy who is great in the room.
CB14 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
@Quisp, “I just don’t think Jarret Stoll in two years is going to be more desirable than Andrei Loktionov in two years” I’ll go as far to say that I would rather have Lokti than Stoll next year. Stoll flat out sucked last year. I don’t care that he’s better defensively than Lokti is, he doesn’t play against the other teams’ top lines anyways. Richards and Kopitar do. I’m with you that Lokti is going to be a very good NHL player, I just hope that it’s with the Kings and not another team, which is how it’s looking it will be.
Token Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:12 am
@Quisp, What do we have on the active roster, 8 centers?
No way Lokti makes it with the Kings. This is just a matter of time before he is traded.
Lokti’s time to shine was the past two seasons. He came up short and Lewis took the spot on the third line.
By, by, Lokti!
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Quisp Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I have a different prediction. Two years from now, Jarret Stoll will have long since returned to his mediocre regular season self, will have two years left on his deal, Loktionov will be on a 25-30 goal pace in Tampa or somewhere else easterly, and people on these boards will be wondering why we ever got rid of him. Also, there will be fans trying to package Stoll and Greene for Taylor Hall.
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
@Osaka,
Well if Lokti wants out, he actually does have some pretty good leverage. When his contract expires if the kings really don’t trade him he can easily just bolt to the KHL and get his money and play at home which wouldn’t be much of a loss for now.
This request is almost easy to for fill for kings management as it almost makes sense anyways.
Osaka Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:55 am
@Michael_DD8
Who would want him? What could you get in a trade for him? He has as much leverage as Oscar Moller.
Osaka Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:14 am
@Quisp, Lokti can score 30 goals for Tampa, they won’t win the cup and the Kings will win another. If the Kings don’t still have Stoll they will have another guy who plays just like Stoll. Stoll is a hockey player. Stoll is DL’s dream, he would have 20 Stolls if he could.
luc20rules Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
@Quisp, You forgot to throw in Hickey that of course would make it a reasonable deal. LOL
Got to love how people ask GMs to trade a bottom 6 forward a 3rd pair Dman for a top 20 in the NHL type player.
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
@Token, Not so fast. If either Stoll, Richards or Kopitar gets hurt at some point on the season (and with these things it’s more “when” than “if”) guess who gets called up first? Right, the same guy who played almost have a season and did play a couple of playoff games with the Stanley Cup winner.
No he doesn’t have a long term future here, but that’s no overwhelming reason to trade him just because that’s what HE wants. Lombardi and Kings management make those decisions. Not Lotki.
BTW to say that nobody would claim him if he went on waivers is just silly.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
@HockeyNerd, “half” a season.
Token Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
@HockeyNerd, You seriously think he is higher on the center chart than Carter, Lewis or Richardson? Nolan a center as well.
Kid needs a finnese team, somewhere east-coast. He’ll be our next Moulson – Purcell – chapter. That is the price of success.
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
@Token, That is NOT what I said. The players you mentioned will in all likelihood already be on the roster. When / If an injury happens, SOMEBODY has to be called up. If the injured player is on the top 2 lines than you need to replace that player with someone with some offensive skills. That’s not likely to be Richardson and it sure ain’t gonna be Lewis. And sure you could move Carter to center but then you STILL would need someone to fill Carter’s spot. Loktionov is not going to be with this club long term but meantime he does provide SOME depth and insurance. That’s why you think things through before granting a trade request just because HE wants one. That’s all I meant.
Osaka Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:04 am
@HockeyNerd, Then they would call up a winger and move Nolan, Carter, Lewis, or Richarson to center.
HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:46 pm
@Osaka, Now you’re over analyzing my post. If Richards, Stoll, or Kopitar gets hurt, you don’t know what the team will do and I don’t know either. Heck, at this point the Kings themselves don’t know. Once again: if you keep Loktionov that gives you additional depth and options. That’s ALL I’m saying here. I’m not even arguing for keeping him, just saying it needs to be thought through, don’t just trade him because HE asks.
Osaka Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 am
@HockeyNerd, Not over analyzing at all, just my point of view is he has no chance with the Kings. Unless we have a plane crash like Lokomotiv I don’t see him suiting up for the Kings ever again. Just my opinion. I agree with you though 100%, you never know……
hbjohn Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
@Quisp, Good trade him. Who really cares. He has had his chances and still can’t get a full time job with the Kings. I am all for getting a draft pick for this guy. The Kings have many better prospects than Lokti and if you really think this team would miss him, your crazy. He won’t even make the team if the lockout ends.
While they are at it, they need to trade Richradson and get something for hime too (contract is up this year). This years draft is deep any picks we can get would be greatr.
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hbjohn Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
@hbjohn, him..
Great..
too much booze on this saturday.
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Osaka Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:06 am
@hbjohn, Exactly.
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wes Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
@Quisp, Do svidanya, little Loktionov. Had your shots at the NHL, but didn’t bring much. I don’t understand the inexplicable LoktiLove. Token’s right. LAK is overloaded at center. Andrei Loktionov doesn’t fit here. Do svidanya, Andrei.
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Supposed to be in Vegas right now. Wearing my Stanley Cup jersey. Hanging with 10,000 crazy Kings fans. Watching the Stanley Cup champions kicking the Avs butts. Well, since Bettman and company decided to screw us, I put on my jersey, jumped on my motorcycle, and went to Burgers and Brews for dinmer. Screw the NHL.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
@DesertKing,
Good attitude!
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“The suggestion that the Kings stacked their list with “suits” doesn’t really hold water”
Why, because it’s tradition? Common practice does not equal good practice. The only real question is whether Loktionov deserved to be on the cup more than even one of the 52 (53) names that appeared there.
“by being supportive, popular teammates, they did more to assist the team than Loktionov. I understand that’s a subjective opinion… but this doesn’t rise to the level of unforgivable sin.”
Irrelevant Rich. You may be right about the greater contribution, you’d know better than I. You imply that the understood reason Steven Kampfer got denied was due to the not enough games played, yet somehow there are other criteria that make games played a non-issue (hence Westgarth and Drewiske). Again, the case isn’t Loktionov’s vs Westgarth’s contribution, it’s Loktionov vs any one of the included names.
As for not bothering to even petition to include him, there is no excuse. What does it cost them to have tried? Unforgivable? Perhaps not, but certainly reprehensible.
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Duncanz Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
@Tyfighter77, +1000, and it’s just obscene that owners’ wives and children get commemorated, over and above even the Zamboni man!
Why aren’t hockey fans up in arms about this??
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It’s not unforgivable. I’ll forgive them if they put his name on the cup. Anyway, you can’t (or shouldn’t) forgive someone who won’t make amends.
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Osaka Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 3:44 am
@Quisp, It is Loktionov we are talking about. WHO CARES!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:43 am
@Osaka,
“It is a huge deal if the Kings assign him to Manchester and he breaches his contract.”
-Osaka
http://lakingsinsider.com/2012/09/19/loktionov-to-russia/#comment-1692311
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CB14 Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Ha!
Osaka Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:19 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), It is a huge deal if he breaches his contract, not a big deal his name isn’t on the cup. The Kings didn’t breach his contract, I don’t see the parallel. Quisp won’t forgive the Kings for leaving a player off the cup who doesn’t qualify to be on the cup?!?! The Kings won the cup, what else matters? He is a minor league player, who cares. Kings didn’t break the law, if he breaches his contract that would be breaking the law. See the difference.
If he did bolt to the KHL never to be heard from again it would only be a big deal in the standpoint of a playing not honoring their contract. It would not be a loss of talent. He won’t ever be a regular on the Kings but he is still an asset. He may be worth a draft pick.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:43 am
@Osaka, I can’t believe you wrote that all out. On second thought, yes I can.
Osaka Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Head shaking, what can’t you grasp? Someone disagreeing with you? What doesn’t make sense?
A name not put on the cup= breach of contract?
Quisp Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
@Osaka,
I care because I have seen him skate.
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SLIM Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
@Quisp,
I must agree…
Was really routing for this guy….
I think he got a bum wrap….
I once had a bum wrap!
Osaka Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:59 am
@Quisp, But he can’t play hockey. Brian Boitano can skate…..
Osaka Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:02 am
@Quisp, I never seen a player exposed so badly and look so out of place in the NHL than Lokti in his 2 playoff games.
Osaka Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:20 am
@Osaka I’ve never seen….
Quisp Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:55 am
@Quisp,
Right. Loktionov can’t play hockey. Good strategy. Just double-down on stupid.
Osaka Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 7:08 am
@Quisp, Stoll is a hockey player, not Lokti. If you can’t play in traffic what use are you?
If I disagree with you I am stupid? It couldn’t be I have a different take? Are you infallible?
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
“Lokti is a very skilled, VERY TALENTED PLAYER…I think that if he is with the right combinations, and put in positions to have success, his game can flourish…you can’t teach what he has. THERE’S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that he will be able to play this game for a long time at its HIGHEST LEVEL. He’s just got WAY TOO MUCH SKILL to play in the American Hockey League. I think he’s got a real bright future.”
Mark Morris – Head Coach of the AHL’s Manchester Monarchs who helped produce players such as Lewis, Voynov, Martinez, Nolan, King and of course, Jonathan Quick.
Quisp Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
“Oh the guy who couldn’t get his name on the cup has a lot of leverage. A minor league player asking for a trade, good luck with that. Why bother reporting to Manchester? He wouldn’t even be taken if he were on waivers. Who would want him? What could you get in a trade for him? He has as much leverage as Oscar Moller. It is Loktionov we are talking about. WHO CARES! Quisp won’t forgive the Kings for leaving a player off the cup who doesn’t qualify to be on the cup?!?! The Kings won the cup, what else matters? He is a minor league player, who cares. He can’t play hockey. Brian Boitano can skate. Stoll is a hockey player, not Lokti. If I disagree with you I am stupid? It couldn’t be I have a different take? Are you infallible?”
It’s stupid (or pick your own adjective that means “manifestly wrong to the point of tarnishing everything else you say”) to say Loktionov wouldn’t be taken on waivers, that no NHL team would be interested in him, that he can’t play hockey (though he can skate, like Brian Boitano).
Osaka Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@Paul
A quote from his coach? Really? He hasn’t even ever dominated in the AHL. He isn’t a point per game player in the AHL Jock Callender once scored 136pts. one season in the IHL, what do his NHL stats look like? Patrick Stephan, Alexadre Daigle, and Brain Lawton all were VERY TALENTED PLAYERS. They were all chosen FIRST OVERALL in the NHL ENTRY DRAFT.
Skill and talent can help you to be a hockey player, but it takes more than that. Why is Lokti different from Pavel Rosa or Vitali Yachmenev?
Osaka Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
@Quisp, Saying Loktionov isn’t a hockey player is a figure of speech. I think there was one that went around a few years in the NBA, “got game”. Lokti doesn’t have game. Meaning he won’t find a spot of a good NHL team. Sure Columbus or NYI would claim him off waivers. Do you really believe Vancouver, Pittsburgh, NYR, Boston, Philly, Chicago, SJ…. would have any interest? He is good enough to take a roster spot on one of those teams? LA won the cup, why would you believe there is a place for him on the Kings? I know, you see something I don’t see in him, fair enough. No way to prove either of us is right or wrong for the time being.
luc20rules Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
@Quisp, An intelligent man arguing with a fool, will eventually look like a fool. Confusious
This has been as productive as the CBA Negotiations. LOL
What kind of crap is this! Where the hell is Theodore “Terry” Murray !? I am really shocked and surprised by this careless omit. Everyone knows if it wasnt for TM, we wouldnt have won the Cup! This is just horrible and embarrassing. As a Kings fan, I am seriously considering rooting for another team after this awful slap in the face to a tremendous coach.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
@puck73,
I am buying stock in straight jackets even as I type this
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
@puck73,
And this comes from someone buried in the concrete of a high rise building?
Your too deep!
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jess Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:22 am
@puck73,
My computer and monitor both thank you for the beer shower. So funny
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IceGuy Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:47 am
@puck73,
Someone didn’t put the sarcasm filter back in the fridge.
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Gustavo Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:05 am
@puck73,
“LMAO!!!…At least my team is not locked out, I got a paying job as an AHL head coach and I’m watching live hockey all I want” Terry Murray
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DesertKing Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
@Gustavo,
“and I engraved my own name on my own cup”
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CB14 Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:08 am
@puck73, I’ll pass that along…
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TeamJMFJ Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
@CB14, ahhh….my favorite TM quote of all time…
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they should of patitioned Rich Hammond. he was at every game!
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puck73 Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
@jkking, …And if he had his name on the cup, I wonder if they would have engraved it..RICHARD HAMMOND ?
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Since I am at home on Saturday Night (unusual, I know) I would like to give a shout out to someone who hasnt appeared on this blog for a long time. This guy’s generosity and integrity inspired me to be as giving as possible. I’m talking about a guy who put many Hammond events together, and was always looking out for our best interests. The guy I am referring to is Frank Robledo of EA Sports Management, a real class act.
Wherever you are Frank, your fresh takes, and powerful initiative are sorely missed.
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Duncanz Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
@purge 73,
That was extremely nice of you.
I’m sure once the season starts you will not be spending many Saturday nights at home, providing EA can hook you up with a nice little discounted suite ticket.
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Token Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
@puck73, Hear Hear. True words.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:09 am
@puck73, You should run for office or audition for a Spielberg picture.
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IceGuy Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:49 am
@puck73,
I hope he liked his Kings Cup at Suite Night!
I appreciate his efforts.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@puck73,
Is this Frank???
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Awesome personal insight there Hammer. I didn’t realize the league actually gave denials. I’m glad it didn’t go there then because we’d surely hear the anti-russian nonsense!
Of topic Stanley cup route moment: game 1 @ njd :40 into the game th linesman miss one as MR is attacking. The d man does deflect it but Richards propels it forward off his leg before anyone crossed the line. It just looked like it had to have been off because of the deflection. No big deal except that MR and Carts had speed with the d men on their heels and penns swooping behind them. It could’ve been interesting… Now back to your regularly scheduled lockout, courtesy of your friendly neighborhood billionares…
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Another strm: at about the 4:30 mark th game starts to get really physical back to back 4th line shifts good work killed by JN tutrnovers in the neutral zone. 2nd line had some strong shifts, penns was intimidating some devils out there. Big hits!
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One more: up until the 4th line score the devs hadn’t won a single shift. They had some pressure here and there but never for majority of a single shift. Truly inspired hockey being played by our Kings!!! Too, I had known stolli was a beast but I’m very impressed by his tenacity and voracity! He was really getting at it in every shift every play. Lil chopper status lol
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Rich-I figure the name are engraved on the bottom ring of the cup and as they fill up, the top ones are removed. Eventually you make your way to the top ring. How many teams are engraved on each ring and how many rings, that are used for new champions, are there?
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almost worse if the kings didn’t petition because they thought the league would say no. horrendous that three kids of the owner for the bruin are on there – actually worse than nancy owner and the attorney. unfortunately, there is nothing that forgives or rationalizes the kings not petitioning for him to go on. he played in two playoff games as well as the thirty-nine playoff games. it is fine that kw and dd are on there but lokti has to go on. fortunately kings championship season dvd editors didn’t photo shop him out.
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I don’t get these two mindsets that some people seem passionate about. Maybe someone can explain them to me.
1. “Don’t discuss, disagree or complain in any way whatsoever that a member of the TEAM was left off the Cup. Forget about it. Leave it alone. ONLY enjoy the beauty of the engravings and nothing else.”
(To me, this is not what being a TEAM is about. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying it. It’s amazing to see. But one can chew gum and walk at the same time. Right? Maybe we will get the full truth at some point, which may or may not explain the omission, but until then, as a Kings fan, the truly amazing site of the names on the Cup is partially tarnished. And that’s ok.)
2. “Loktionov wasn’t an important member of the team and will likely never be one. Therefore, why care about such a person? I mean, if he was good or more popular then maybe he would be worth it. But because he’s smaller and has had a tough time breaking into a regular role on an NHL team, he’s not worth giving a second thought.”
(To me, this is the antithesis of what hockey is about; what team sports is about. It preys on the weak like a bully on the playground or the nerd on the buss. It’s the lowest common denominator among fans. The kill or be kill attitude that seems to have permeated society.)
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Gustavo Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:09 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
So…you’re saying tall get all the breaks, lol?
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Gustavo Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:10 am
@Gustavo,
*tall men*
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
@Gustavo, Insert Brian Boyle reference here.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:52 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
I know some exceptionally talented softball baseball players who would look very bad against major league players. Just like some playground basketballers who would look very silly against NBA talent.
Jus’ sayin…….you’re either good enough to make it……or you’re not. True?
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@Kingsfanone, Very true. Not sure where you’re going with it, but very true. Kinda like Loktionov being good enough to suit up for 41 games and Westgarth plus Drewiske being good enough to play in a combined 34 games.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), I perfectly get 1) and 2). But there is also:
3) There is absolutely no valid logic or argument behind putting Westgarth and Drewiske on the cup and leaving Loktionov’s name off it. Therefore, there must be some irrational or childish reason behind it, such as hatred of Europeans or “Payback” for Loktionov agreeing to play with the KHL.
THAT’S the one I don’t get.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@HockeyNerd, Meaning I see why someone would feel as they do with 1) or 2) not that I agree with it myself. It’s at least rational thinking. 3) is not rational thinking.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@HockeyNerd, Jumping to conclusions is an epidemic. It becomes a feeding frenzy at times a la the KHL theory. It’s ridiculous, I agree. That said, I still haven’t read a logical or valid argument for not petitioning for Lokti. In fact, there’s evidence that says otherwise, which makes me believe it’s possible he could have been left off for reasons less than noble or logical.
Here’s Quisp’s conclusion after breaking down a names on the cup since the lockout…
In conclusion:
- If you play in at least one playoff game, your team will petition to get your name on the cup. This has happened in every instance since the lock-out. Except one: Andrei Loktionov.
- Even if you only played a handful of games total, if you played in one playoff game, your team goes to bat for you. Except if you’re Andrei Loktionov.
- If you played fewer than 20 games, and you didn’t play in the playoffs at all, your chances of getting your name on the cup are exactly zero. Unless you’re Davis Drewiske.
- Davis Drewiske must be a really popular and supportive teammate.
- There are zero instances of teams passing over players who have played more games in favor of players who have played fewer, except in a handful of instances in which the player who has played MORE games didn’t play in the playoffs, while the player who had played FEWER games did appear in the playoffs. I say “zero instances,” but of course I mean except for the case of Loktionov and Drewiske.
http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/09/loktionov-cup-engraved-petition/
Another shout out on Hammonds Blog. This last week, Jim “@poorman” Trenton was back in town, working live sattelte radio gigs all over LA, and Orange County. Jimmy is in great spirits, has lost alot of weight, and brought his seemingly never ending zest for life back to the southland. Also of note, not once did he ever mention the greatness of Jonathon Bernier, instead focusing on Quicks inspiring play during the post season, and the monkey off every long time suffering Kings fans.
Jimmy has gone back to NY. Although he misses So.Cal immensely, he believes the big apple gives him the best chance for short term success. He said the only regret he has is that he didnt get to meet, and speak to Rich in person, although he believes that will happen sometime in the future.
There’s your @poorman update for those interested. He says he is now a Quick fan….until the next bad game he has…lol
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DesertKing Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@puck73,
They should have put @poorman on the Cup. His constant promotion of JB and criticism of Quick forced JQ to dig deep, focus, and turn in arguably the greatest goaltending season in NHL history.
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The Steve Kampfer 38 games example is interesting. He also played 22 games in the AHL that season. That suggests to me that he was either a healthy scratch or injured for quite a few games that season, but I don’t have numbers to back up that conclusion.
It’s also worth noting that Marc Savard played only 25 games for the Bruins that season due to recurring concussion problems, and no playoff games, but was included on the Cup by means of a successful petition to the League. Would Simon Gagne (34 games) have enjoyed similar treatment if he hadn’t played in the finals? Presumably he would have.
So here’s how the rule has been applied in recent seasons:
You were with the NHL club all year but a healthy scratch much/most of the year: you’re NHL-caliber and a good soldier, you’re in (Drewiskie, Westgarth)
You were with the NHL club all year, out with injuries much of the year, but if you had been able to play everyone knows you would have been a contributor: we respect you too much to break your heart, so you’re in (even though you didn’t contribute much to winning the championship) (Savard)
You were with the NHL club part of the year, in the AHL part of the year, and not enough of a difference-maker to claim a full time roster spot during the playoffs: tough luck kid, stay hungry and make the most of it next time (Loktionov, Kampfer)
It’s a hard call to exclude guys like Loktionov and Kampfer, but there is some logic to it, though it boils down to a referendum on the status of the individual player.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
@responsible D, I think what is bothering most of us wrt your last paragraph is that it is apparently the league’s decision on that whereas they have no say on owner’s wives, lawyers, children and brothers, etc.
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responsible D Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Yeah I agree that it seems really unfair to include the owner’s wife and exclude a guy who played a meaningful role on the ice. Ultimately I suppose since it’s the league’s call, it’s indirectly the owners’ call, and they’ve given themselves a lot more latitude than they’ve given to the players.
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Quisp Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
@responsible D,
I like your analysis. However, I think it’s really important to distinguish between players who were petitioned and rejected, and players who weren’t petitioned at all. Kampfer was petitioned. Loktionov wasn’t. AND Loktionov played in the playoffs, Kampfer didn’t. EVERYONE who played in the playoffs got petitioned. Except #48.
If the Kings had petitioned on Lokti’s behalf and the league rejected the petition, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
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What a collapse by the Americans in Chicago. Pathetic.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
@CB14,
Whats pathetic? The collapse or the fact that the day after “Frozen Fury” at the start of our Stanley Cup defense season, we are reduced to blogging about golf?
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CB14 Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
@DesertKing, Both.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
@CB14,
Agreed!
murf Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
@CB14, also in Belgium
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Why did the NHL set conditions on the inclusion of players to begin with and why does it have a say in the matter when someone is petioned for now? Beyond some very obvious rules such as he played one game, he was with the team, he didn’t set fire to the rink, if team X wants to include Joe Smith who only had a 30 second shift in game 1 of the regular season who cares? THEY won the cup, not the NHL and THEY are in a better position to dictate who “deserves” to be immortalized for eternity.
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Lake Forest Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
@HockeyNerd, then you have trent hunter and ethan moreau asking to be immortalized.
I say it’s fine as is.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
@Lake Forest, They can ask now. There was nothing to stop the team from petioning for them. It would be up to the KINGS ORGANIZATION to grant or not grant that. That’s where the decision belongs.
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Lake Forest Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
@HockeyNerd, i think i understand, but then at what point do we stop them from adding players? Im just trying to think of the number of total players we had that played a game. I can think if a few not on there – lokti, parse, hunter, moreau. did tafolli play a game?
Well finally made it back from Las Vegas, to work today, guess what they may have been no FF, but they shut down the entire Las Vegas airport today, first our plane back from Vegas to LA was stuck with a flat tire, believe it or not first time, wow, a flat of all things finally fixed after hour then we start to back out of gate, then they shut airport down for Air Force One, we had to wait on hot plane American Airlines for two hours back at the gate again we went and they would not let us off even after we waited for one hour for the flat tire, so total of three hours wasted and no game (hockey) to boot.
I can tell you one thing when we got to MGM and our room was not ready, due to computers not being able to give us keys cards out, they gave us a free lunch buffet so MGM you are a grand place will stay again but for American Airlines they have now lost me as a customer forever and forever!
The plane personal were just horrible and no wonder they are failing company now, will never fly with them ever again.
;-(
Will think now about going next year if we even have a FF do not think it is worth the trouble anymore, tired of the lockouts and people who do not care about the fans only money and not even the players they care about too, so will save my money for other things for sure, sorry had to get it out.
Love our LA Kings for sure
Go Kings Go!
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puck73 Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
@Gail Web, You mean you just figured out that all big corporations care about is the bottom line, and not people and employees ? Wow, where have you been living Girl? Ever since they deregulated the banks back in the 1980′s, greed and selfishness has permeated our country ever since. Thats why we have wonderful people like Charles Keating, Jack Skilling, Kenneth Ley, and of course Bruce Mcnall.
Welcome to America Gail, where the middle class continues to be fused together with the poor.
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Gailweb Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:12 am
@puck73, hi Puck 73 hope all is well and thanks
seems I thought maybe things would get better
yes you are correct I have been so dumb
thinking things would maybe change oh well
yep have given it all up now
One days our Kings will return back
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F both sides –
”We did not discuss core economic issues, as was the plan,” NHLPA special counsel Steve Fehr said after meeting for five hours with the NHL. ”We discussed health and safety, drug testing, including more discussion of drug testing, medical care etc. Also a number of things in the CBA legal area of player movements.”
”It was a productive day. We made some progress in some areas,” Fehr said Sunday. ”I would say it’s good that we were talking. It’s true that we could’ve done this last week or a week before or a week before that, but it’s a lot better than doing it three weeks from now.”
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
@Lake Forest, ”It’s true that we could’ve done this last week or a week before or a week before that”.
No kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You’re just now realizing that?
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Gail Web Reply:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
@Lake Forest, These guys had all summer and they just wasted it, life is too short time to move on I think if they lose the whole season people will come for the banner to go up and then leave, just when we started have full games and no seats left, there will be lots of empty ones for sure with dust on them
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06/11/12 – Life was oh so simple then…..
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Hello everybody! Why is not puck73 on the cup
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puck73 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am
@KingCharles of SaltLake, Thanks Chuck, very nice of you. that being said, with the exception of Lokti being omitted, im ok with every one else.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:27 am
@KingCharles of SaltLake,
He’s Hoffa…..he wanted to be in concrete instead……..
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DesertKing Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@KingCharles of SaltLake,
He’s practicing for the presidential debates.
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My worst Fehr’s are coming to fruition…
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puck73 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:10 am
@Michael J., Where the heck have you been ?
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Michael J. Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:22 am
@puck73,
Cabo
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So has there been an official word on when the opening of the season will be postponed?
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Michael J. Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am
@Stuart,
Nope, they’ve postponed the announcement.
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Good ‘Rocktober” to everyone…..Not much else to say these days….
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:03 am
@Neil,
You mean “lock-tober”
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Sebastian Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@FKA PakiFro, Followed by “No-NHL-vember.”
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I haven’t read this blog in a few days so I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but I see they are suspending all orders of the new Kings book thru the Kings website until the lockout is over. We can’t even get that now.
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It looks like teams are preparing to cancel reg season games in 2 week blocks possibly beginning this week.
Where else but in the NHL can the sides negotiate for 3 days but not talk about the main issues causing the lockout?
Good job Fehr/Bettman rot in hell!
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Stuart Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:06 am
@nykingfan, the way I see this is that by talking/agreeing on the small stuff builds some level of trust/confidence in each other, by each other, and hopefully it allows some egos to soften when it comes time to negotiate the big stuff… at least that’s my take.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@Stuart, That’s all well and good EXCEPT WE’VE ALREADY LOST THE ENTIRE PRESEASON AND ARE ON THE VERGE OF LOSING REGULAR SEASON GAMES. Once the small stuff is agreed on, lock yourselves in the room and get it done. The NFL did it, you can do it. Heck, I’ll even have the pizza delivered to you.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 1:27 pm
@HockeyNerd,
agree
They haven’t even scheduled further meetings to discuss the major issues.
As far as I can see it was window dressing for us fans. “see we met”
Rich,
What about Mark Bavis and Ace Bailey? I would’ve petitioned for them. If Vladdy Konstantinov can get on in 1998 (and deservedly so), I think these two should be too. They played a role, even if a small one, in getting us to where we are, i.e., Cup Champions. It would be nice to honor them that way, and I don’t see how the NHL could say no to that.
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Rich, thanks for clarifying the situation, and very glad to hear that Loktionov’s omission was very likely not due to the murky “KHL” situation….still would have liked to see him on there.
Never realized there were so many non-players on the Cup…agree with those who feel that only players & coaches should be on the Cup.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
@JKA, I think that restriction would be throwing the baby out with the bath water. Scouts and trainers have an important job in the organization and the cup cannot be won without them. Why not restrict the list to X number of non-players and coaches?
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Yes, everyone will disagree, but hell with some of those names on there I am surprised NOT to see TM’s.
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jess Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 11:46 am
@Lake Forest,
I really wish McMurph all the best, -and unlike the Los Angeles Kings, I hope he gets the Adirondak Phantoms past the first round!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 1:03 pm
@Lake Forest, I’m not the least bit surprised. He was no longer the coach, and in fact it took Sutter to reach the next step. Should he be there? Was he still with the organization on 6/11? If so it’s (once again!) hard to argue an owner’s wife and lawyer had more to do with winning the cup than him.
Idk. TM did a fantastic job of teaching defense and getting the team to buy into that mindset. But coming from someone who was just about the last person on earth to admit the team was getting stake under him and he needed to go, I don’t think he belongs on the cup. We’d probably never had even made the playoffs had he not been replaced. The offense was just dreadful. And his “lets throw the names of all 14 forwards in a hat, pick 4 sets of 3 and those are my lines”….. That’s not deserving of a spot on the cup.
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puck73 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
@HockeyNerd, Terry Murray did get a ring. I think that was very gracious of the organization to even do that (their choice). I agree with you though, I dont think we make the playoffs with him as coach this season the way things were going. And, from what we can tell, it sure looks like Lombardi felt the same way. Personally, I would have fired him after The New Jersey game when he benched Quick after 3 straight shutouts. That bonehead move had alot of people scratching their heads all over Canada and the USA, and I personally believe he lost alot of the players after that.
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jess Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@puck73,
TM: “Kopi, protect the net. When you skate into their zone whatever you do, don’t look for a pass and head straight for the boards. Don’t attack -but pretend you’re attacking ethan moreau and hunter will have your back) then get back down near Quick as soon as possible. To create mass confusion, I will pair up JJ and DD on the powerplay.”
“Remember, the score is irrelavant.”
jess Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@puck73,
“And don’t worry, if @puck73 and @jess boo us from their suite, I’ll chuck a water bottle at them”
Pasadena Hockey Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:03 pm
@puck73, I thought it was two straight shutouts and not three. It was a bonehead move big time. Don’t mess with a goalie’s head when he is in a zone. If you are worried about his wear and tear ask him how he feels and if he wants to play. That really was the beginning of the end.
HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@HockeyNerd, “Stale” under him
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:59 pm
@HockeyNerd, Well I was being a little sarcastic. Like Puck73 has referenced he did get a ring which I think was deserving no matter what people think. I DON’T believe his name should be on the Cup, and I guess my sarcastic point was other people on the Cup.
Either way I could care less, just making conversation.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm
@Lake Forest, Fair enough. I have seen some posts here that think his name should be on the cup….
a friend of mine is at Toyota center and said that some Kings are scrimmaging with some Yotes, but they’re wearing NHLPA jerseys…
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Stuart Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:26 pm
scratch the Yotes there.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
@Stuart, I got there late. But I did see Westgarth and Scuderi along with Ryan Miller.
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jess Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:05 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
I have seen coyotes in LA on trash day.
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CBA solution: the team who wins the Stanley Cup gets the right to include the name off one sponsor engraved on the Cup. The team auctions the rights to the highest bidder. The team keeps a. Third, the NHLPA gets a third to divide amongst members, and the NHL gets a third to divide amongst owners.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@DesertKing, 33.3333333333%, that’s pretty low. I’m not sure they will go for it.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
@Lake Forest,
I think you left out a “3″
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Interesting note from Adrian Dater on Puck Daddy:
“Half the players will make some cash in Europe, and the rest of the rank-and-file will take about $10-15K a month in NHLPA war chest money. They’ll get by on that for a year anyway.
Man, if this is accurate and the players are receiving a “stipend” of this magnitude, what urgency can there be in compromise? I would have to agree that the players could probably get by on 15k/mo
Yikes!
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Dilapidus Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
@Dave’s a Killer,
Are you kidding? First that’s pre-tax so maybe 9k – 11k take home. You are a pro athlete and you’ve got an 8k Mortgage, 1500 maintenance and you haven’t even started paying for the cars or the kid’s private school. And don’t forget .. you are in your early 20′s.
Lots of players will be be very motivated.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@Dilapidus, oh no, poor them
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Dilapidus Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
@Lake Forest,
I’m not saying pity, I’m saying it’s a big drop from where they were and that will be highly motivating.
Dave's a Killer Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@Dilapidus,
You seem to be assuming that this is all the money they will have. If they are living paycheck to paycheck then maybe. But I doubt that a guy earning $800,000 a year would live that way. If so, then he has made some very bad choices with his money including an 8k mortgage.
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Dilapidus Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
@Dave’s a Killer,
Like I said… early 20′s. Have you seen the stats on how fast pro athletes go broke?
Deke'r Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
@Dave’s a Killer, …..barely covers the mortgage and car payments…….
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DesertKing Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
@Deke’r,
…bar tab, groupie sex tab, defense lawyer tab, Gretzky daughter party tab, hair gel tab, flip flop sandals tab, golf tab, Budweiser Support Group tab….
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Stuart Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
@DesertKing, why you only picking on Stolli for?? LOL
DesertKing Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:23 pm
@Stuart
Tried to get a little bit of everyone. Stoll just seems to cover them all
Pasadena Hockey Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:14 pm
@Dave’s a Killer, I back the players in the lock out. I don’t really like Donald Fehr, but I believe the players have the right guy behind them. Based on history, I don’t really think that bodes well for the fans.
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What about putting the Mascot Baily and Heidi on the cup
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Thing is.. there is room on the cup for one more name.
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I thought the Cup was already named Stanley.
“The Blackhawks included their team doctor and massage therapist.”
Comparing the worst practices to what the Kings have done is not a good point of argument. It highlight should be on what the best practices should be and what the Kings chose in comparison to that.
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puck73 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@MmmmYummy, I agree. For Kings fans to have really only 1 guy that they would have liked to see on there, compared to what some other teams omitted is really good by comparison.
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Gustavo Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 am
@puck73,
Good enough isn’t.
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Gustavo Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 am
@MmmmYummy,
It would matter if I was a hawk or bruin fans. I only care about what happens to the LAK.
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@responsible D,
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If Lokti had scored a few goals he would of played more games for us and could been a big winner at the end.
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Gustavo Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:15 pm
@empire,
The never ending argument….
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DesertKing Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
@Gustavo,
Does a circle have a beginning and/or an end? My answer got me kicked out of confirmation class
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm
@DesertKing,
Can that be confirmed?
jess Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:18 pm
@empire,
-Outstanding sir, share more and don’t be so selfish with your vivid thoughts!
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CB14 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:30 pm
@empire, “and could been a big winner at the end.” Is winning the Cup not big enough?
I know we all are making a big deal about Lokti’s name being left off the Cup, (and rightfully so IMO) but he, and his teammates, all know that he contributed to a Cup winning team. That’s more important than anything else.
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empire Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
@CB14,
Exactly, what more incentive do you need play in the NHL….
He played 39 games, 3 goal and 4 assists…..not much incentive there.
Don’t get me wrong I do like him, he just needs to play with more passion.
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Only the Players should be on the CUP, they won it. No one cares about any other names they wasted stamping on it. So you go to Toronto to see the CUP and your looking for the Owners, Scouts & Trainers names? BS yah right. Joke. The only other to me to be accpeted on the Cup would be the Head Coach in my book, but I guess assistants have a lot to do with things too. All those others do NOT deserve to be on it. 24 fricken names shouldnt even exist on it for the LAK. The NHL is lame for having them. If I was a player, I wouldn’t dig on that at all. How un-priviledged do players feel being next to 24 people that didn’t play a game. Hilarious.
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Real 7 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@Kings Fan Since72(real), yeeees? I’m Real, and I’m here….
let’s follow the Monarchs….should be a pretty good team this year…
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Gustavo Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@Kings Fan Since72(real),
The owner (uncle Phil) made a multimillion dollar investment.
The coaches taught, led and guided the players to perform like champions.
The GM team selected, contracted and often babysat the player to create a champion caliber team.
The equipment team made sure the players had functional tools to do their job with.
Honorary inclusion Bob & Jim. All others, take a hike
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IN King (formerly AZ King) Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:00 pm
@Gustavo,
exactly…well said!
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Real 7 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@Kings Fan Since72(real), yeah, I was a little bit bummed out by all the superfluous, undeserving names on The Cup too….
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HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:22 pm
@Kings Fan Since72(real), The Kings (and any previous winner) won the cup as an ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. It starts from the scouts finding the right people and the general manager keeping the right players. Do you think if you are making a movie you can just hire Harrison Ford and Julia Roberts and call it a day? You need producers, directors, writers, stunt men, a lot of other things as well. And I for one sit through the closing credits of a movie because I DO want to know who other than actors put some work into it.
Restricting the list to X non-players and coaches is reasonable. Your solution is throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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haha this lokti conversation has turned into the new “Where is Gagne” talk of past good times!
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Gustavo Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@Lake Forest,
Well, the Shane Doan issue is dead, lol
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DesertKing Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 5:19 pm
@Gustavo,
Doan go there…….
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:19 pm
@DesertKing,
Sorry. I Doan get that?
Kingstane9 Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
@Gustavo, and the second Parse issue too
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 am
@Lake Forest, That’s what happened! Lokti’s name wasn’t in North America at the time of the engraving.
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OK….it’s all done…..the names are on the cup…..so lets get going with the season OK? The players are not going to agree to a 50/50 split of revenue (nor should they) so lets leave it like it was and get everyone back to work. We have another cup to win, a dynasty to build. Go Kings Go
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Gustavo Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:12 pm
@TiredOfIt,
Few people think this is a well professionally managed league anymore. It’s been brewing for a while now. And my wallet keeps laughing when it asks me: “And you spent HOW MUCH on this league last season?”
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Parse signed with the Devils???? Actually like his game and happy for him to keep playing…he has talent..no doubt…
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:32 pm
@Neil, details of contract?
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Gustavo Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 am
@Lake Forest,
http://makewayforthekings.com/articles/parse-era-over-signs-with-devils–2
1.2 mill
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DesertKing Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 am
@Neil,
Might as well. Poni and Harold arw already there and there is no room for him on the Kings. Hope he makes it.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 am
@DesertKing, Kings of the East #2
Thanks Gust for the info
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KingsOfKomedy Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
@DesertKing, Poni left NJ for winnipeg
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
@Neil, Good for Parse. I’ll be very curious to see how he holds up. Maybe the AHL is the best thing for him right now, although it is hardly an easy league on the body. And that, after all, is his biggest question mark.
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There is definitely room on that last line for Lokti’s name, so maybe the league should tell teams that if you dont have too many Oliver Ekman-Larsons or Alexei Ponikarovskys or Guillaume Latendresses on your team, you can add an extra guy.
Seeing as there IS that space, perhaps Lokti should arrange for a little ‘private time’ with the cup and bring his trusty ball peen hammer and chisel.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:45 pm
@bbb7, By that theory you’d have a better argument for Scott Parse them Loktionov, LOL.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:02 pm
@HockeyNerd, “Than Loktionov”
Note to my iPhone: you do not know better than I what word I MEANT to type. This is the 3rd or 4th time just today, and I am about to AUTOCORRECT you into the trash.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
@HockeyNerd, Then turn off autocorrect ya whiner!
Deke'r Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
@bbb7, ….that would be hilarious….especially if he did it in size 16 font…..
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Little bit of a change here, but would fans not wearing any hockey items when the games return make a statement.
Even if it does not, I will not wear any hockey items for a while.
What would owners and players think if no fan had hockey related attire while watching the game?
Just a thought.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
@GeezerKingsFan, The problem with your idea is your assumption that owners think.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 7:05 pm
@HockeyNerd, And this was not meant to be entirely tongue-in-cheek. Believe me, they won’t notice and they won’t care.
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Deke'r Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:27 pm
@HockeyNerd, …..woooop…there it is….
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Gustavo Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 am
@HockeyNerd,
Or care..
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DesertKing Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 10:19 pm
@GeezerKingsFan,
You might get their attention if we all wore Ducks gear, but that would only be due to the odor of vomit from all of us being sick from wearing those rags.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 am
@GeezerKingsFan,
The owners would say, “what idiot fan would pay for a ticket, which shows their support for us, while leaving their gear at home?”
It would be like boycotting McDonalds by only using the drive thru and not supersizing anything.
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For what it’s worth…. as much as I am so disappointed at the state of the NHL — I gotta say that the Kings Vision video from 29 different camera angles on the pre-game of game 6 just gave me the chills and got my eyes welling-up…. I was there with my wife and 12 year old son — next to his birth, one of the best memories of my life.
I guess, I’m a softie after all. Please end this perpetual nightmare (that some call a lockout).
Is that too much to ask… If it is, then stop playing with my emotions. Cause honestly it sucks.
Thank you.
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Deke'r Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 8:58 pm
@Finesse Hockey, ….hahahahaha…..sorry dude not laughing at you…..just a vision of that BMW commercial that ran thru my demented brain after reading your post…..
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DanielC Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@Finesse Hockey, Did they delete those videos? I went onto Kings Vision..nowhere to be found. If you could mail me a link of some sort that would be appreciated. -Thanks
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Finesse Hockey Reply:
October 5th, 2012 at 8:07 am
@DanielC,
Not that is crazy…. geez, maybe I got my wish. I can’t find the video anywhere. It was on the Kings front page on the 1st…. now just a memory, like hockey.
Yet it was an awesome video……
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Sorry Rich,
Even remotely implying that leaving Lokti out of the Cup in favor of an attorney or a wife as acceptable or not a terminal sin is like saying the ‘Vietnam Conflict’ was OK because more lives were lost in WWI or WWII.
Three wrongs don’t make it right.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
@Gustavo,
LOL. That is one of the strangest analogies I’ve ever seen.
I can top it I think… It’s like pouring a hot cup of soup on a nine iron during the tour de france! No?
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
“sure, she’s going to be my third wife, but she’s different”.
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puck73 Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 am
@Gustavo, Dude, you are on fire with this topic! You have strong take after strong take ! Heck, you even have the balls to disagree with Rich! On his blog no less !
All I can say is…Be carefull! Rich can bring the hammer down anytime he wants and wish you into the cornfield! lol
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luc20rules Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
@puck73, After reading your post I realized why Loki is not on the Cup. Rich “The Hammer” Hammond must be Thor and Loki is his arch rival.
Quisp, summed stats up quite well as to why Loki should be there, and others that have been on the cup. So I am not sure why the Kings felt the NHL wouldn’t approve his name, but later it came out that the Kings didn’t feel he internally qualified by Kings standards. I doubt we will ever be given the full process, or how a 53rd name Ed Roski sneaked its way onto the cup. I may be some devious plot to get our minds off how screwed up the CBA Negotiation Process is? Who knows?
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What LA Kings player or employee brought the Cup there?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=11408
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Great Read Rich!
But I am so peeved we dont have a season, and even more peeved that they are not in a room 10 hours a day hammering this out. This is absurd and not how it should be going.
Hockey is the only sport I follow anymore, not having a season (or delayed one) yet again is pathetic.
I havent really been able to muster up the words to chat here, I have nothing good to say, I have stuff I want to buy but cannot becuase of this, I cannot futher line the NHL’s pcokets because of this…. I am beyond words and sliding into rage. Just thinking about this sets me off into a bad place.
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Dominick (defrim65) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
@Mars,
HULK SMASH NOW!
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Sounds like no farther negotiation at this point. And soon, Rich has to report the cancellation of the season (part of it anyway).
What if it’s not Bettman but Don Fehr?
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Mars Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
@goldielocks, Fire both of em.
The fact they are not meeting and not trying is disgraceful to the fans!
Without the fans they have NOTHING!
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goldielocks Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
@Mars,
Today, 2 big names signed for the teams overseas. Jamie Benn and Matt Duchene. North American players starting leaving is a very bad sign.
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goldielocks Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@goldielocks,
Add Landeskog on the list.
Lake Forest Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
@goldielocks, They met on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Today.
Not sure if they have moved forward, but they have been at the table (though they say the weekend was addressing the other issues and not HRR)
NHL advised they have lost $100MM due to the cancellaion of the preseason
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Gustavo Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
@Lake Forest,
$100,000,000 down, $3,200,000,000 to go….Or as the geniuses on both sides would say: “plenty of time to get this resolved”
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luc20rules Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
@Gustavo, My favorite was how Fehr was quick to point out the costs of operations was averted, but wait a second you want all the costs to come out of the owners side so now are you admitting that operating costs may be sizable or increased faster than HRR? Don’t get me wrong, both sides are wrong to an extent and have contributed to this stalemate, but IMHO the owners are 55% to blame and players 45%. Mostly I look at what has kept NHL from proceding NHL(Lockout, Redifining HRR confusing and mudding the %s, retaining Bettman who just has no people skills, not conceding enough in negotiations and not releasing the independent auditors #s to the NHLPA until late August) as for the NHLPA(delayed negotiations until July, PR campaining more than negotiating, and not conceding enough in negotiations). IMHO if one side conceded 5 to 6% of their initial position the other side would move toward the middle as well and things would resolve fairly quickly, but both sides have been playing chicken. They need an arbitrator to reset the negotiationing positions of both sides.
goldielocks Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@Lake Forest,
Bettman and D. Fehr did talk this afternoon… along the lines of figuring out where the process moves on from here…
I don’t know how I interpret this anymore.
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Shakes Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
@goldielocks, this sounds like me and my college girlfriend trying to sort things out. Sadly I didn’t have an option to play in Europe, while sorting things out, back then.
So I’ve just read through this entire thread for the 500th time (not much else to do thanks to Bettman and the owners) and I see the conclusion I’m supposed to reach is that it is a horrible travesty of justice that Loktionov didn’t get his name on the cup BUT he has absolutely no future with the Kings organization because he has done absolutely nothing for them up to now.
Ummmmm, OK. Got it.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@HockeyNerd,
After reading it 501 times, discovered another wrinkle. That some Kings fans love kick players while they’re down and give up on them even if they are only 22 YEARS OLD.
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Dominick (defrim65) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
@HockeyNerd, I read through it once and found that indeed some had come to that conclussion long before the Kings excluded him. I read through it a second time and also relised I absolutely still don’t agree!
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Since there is no NHL season anywhere in the horizon (despite what Wayne Gretzky thinks) I would encourage everyone to share what they’ll be doing with the money they’ll be saving. We figure we’ve spent around $10K last season if we add season tickets, tickets to the Ponda Center to watch LAK vs Quacks, Playoffs in AZ, jerseys, gifts & tickets bought for friends and family, food and drink.
Here our list:
1. Cruise to Alaska: $3.0K
2. Extra week in CO skiing: $2.0K
3. Extra Charity to Animal Shelters: $1.5K
4. Fishing Trip to Cabo: $1.5K
5. New suit, shirts and ties for me $1.0K
6. New Dress,shoes and accessories for her: $1.0K
We will enjoy our money elsewhere if we cannot enjoy NHL hockey.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@Gustavo, If you could get me a car that would be appreciated!
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Gustavo Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
@Lake Forest,
Sorry, I’m not a car dealer.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@Gustavo,
Wait…the NHL didn’t try to take 51% of that 10K from you??
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Dominick (defrim65) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@Gustavo,
If you think you can set aside $10K and get away with $1K for clothing for your significant other, your truely blessed.
I don’t know a woman yet who couldn’t blow that in shoes in just 1 store.
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OFF TOPIC – trying to set up my RSS reader to include lakingsinsider.com, but the only RSS feed I can find includes every comment. Anyone know a feed link that only includes posts by Rich? Thanks!
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There is a lot of talk of cancelling season tickets or not attending games once this gets resolved. The only thing that would make me stop going to games or cancelling a season package is if the NHL attempted to break the union by using replacement players. I can’t imagine I would have any interest in watching that. I would give up any seating priority I had if the Kings forced me to pay to watch that.
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Put a fork in them…..they done…..
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Rich,
I appreciate what you tried to do here, I really do. The fact remains, Lokti did more for the Cup in the playoffs than Westgarth or Drewiske. If the have to leave a name out, leave Nancy Anschutz’s name out. Plain and simple, it’s a joke!!!
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
@Chuck, meh,
Drewiske played 9 games and had two goals. he was pretty solid on defense when he was called up those few times
Lokti played 39 games and had 7 points.
Being an outsider none of us know the involvement of Nancy, other than Rich always mentioning she is a HUGE kings fan!
it’s water under the bridge really. We are Stanley Cup Champions. Lokti is young and has every chance to win a cup. I would have petitioned to have him on there, but there is little chance he/we would win that petition.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
@Lake Forest,
When you say ‘little chance’ let’s just understand you’re repeating what Rich said. There is evidence to suggest that quite the opposite is true. In fact, it has been pointed out over and over again (and detailed on Quisp’s site), that the Kings could have made an extremely strong case for his inclusion when compared to other players who got on the Cup.
I encourage people to take a look at this post-lockout breakdown for an objective look at some of the numbers: http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/09/loktionov-cup-engraved-petition/
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Stats mean nothing! lol….. I am repeating what he is saying.
Sebastian Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@Chuck, You can’t win a Cup without the players, that’s for sure. You cant have players without a guy forking out the big bucks. A guy cant fork out big bucks unless his wife gives him permission, Im married, i know this is a fact.
I got no problem with her being on there, and I got no problem with Lokti not being on there. I do find it funny that physically there is still room for 1 more name on the cup.
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The NHL is damaging the game by allowing Bettman to lock the players out. Donald Fehr needs to realize that unlike baseball the popularity of hockey is lower than baseball. As more games are lost due to this lockout I predict more fans will walk away from hockey. Bettman should resign!! At the rate the CBA negotitations I would not be surprised if this season is lost to labor strife. NHL and NHLPA need to be realistic and come to an agreement before it is too late.
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I love the passionate debate regarding the names on the cup. I just love the fact that the Kings are the Stanley Cup Champions and this debate is even taking place! I’d be willing to bet that there are questionable names on and not on the cup going back to it’s inception.
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Gustavo Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
@King Alex,
Truth is we all need something to bitch about, lol…
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The only good news here is that Bettman is 60 years old. How much longer can he continue to “do his job”? Hopefully he will retire and wont be around the next time the CBA needs negotiating.
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King Alex Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
@Sebastian, Bettman is 60 years old in human years. This bloodsucking goul will serve his masters for another 1000 years! He will live on just like Richard Nixon’s head in a jar in Futurama.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
@King Alex, His name may live on and scare generations to come just as Drakula the Impailer, or Keyser Soze in the Usual Suspects.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
@King Alex, You don’t need the Futurama Smelliscope to know the CBA Negotiations stink and Bettman is the center of the it all.
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Where is Rich? I hope he hasn’t been locked out!!!
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Munchrat Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
@Munchrat, And IMNSHO, Lokrionov sucks.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@Munchrat,
He is taking a well deserved vacation. I heard he was going to Montreal to take an engraving class from Fred Flintstone.
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Dominick (defrim65) Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
@DesertKing,
Maybe he can go to Gretzky’s in Toronto for a steak so large it tips his car on its side so that his feet are dangling out of the bottom of the car.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
@Dominick (defrim65),
Betty or Wilma?
Kingsfanone Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
@Dominick (defrim65),
Barney?
ESPN3 to broadcast KHL games….
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1355451-nhl-lockout-how-khls-espn-agreement-affects-work-stoppage
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Shakes Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
@Real 7, although to be fair I saw that article but didn’t ESPN3 (The Tres!) do that last year
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I don’t care whose name is on the Cup, just as long as it says “Los Angeles Kings”
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@Rich Hammond, Please post the names of the individuals that will be given a Championship Ring. If there are 2 tiers of Rings, please list the names under those tiers.
Thanks, loyal follower of this Great Blog.
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This is the first time in a long while that I have any optimism about the CBA getting done in time to save the season, but the word that bothers me is “not immenent” before the idea of bringing in a federal arbitrator. I think there is hope if they bring in a neutral arbitrator that sets a reasonable negotiation point, but that must start before the end of Oct. You know this is rather complex and anyone from the outside will take well over 20 days to weed thru it all and make write up a 2,000 page CBA proposal. Right now both sides are only budging 3% while they are 10% apart even using the closest offers, and most of those widen the 10% gap to 14% as years go on in their CBA offers.
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The only good thing to come from this maybe that ESPN has shown some interest in showing Hockey, and maybe the next TV Deal will have ESPN buying some games. KHL games to be on ESPN3 this month.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 pm
@luc20rules,
The only thing worse than listening to Doc Emerick and Brian Hayturd call a game in English and having to listen to them call it in Russian.
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Jon G Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
@DesertKing, How do you say “waffleboarded” in Russian?
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DesertKing Reply:
October 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
@Jon G,
I dont lnow, but if one of them say it, it will suck.
luc20rules Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 am
@DesertKing, I would rather listen to the weasels chirp in languages I don’t understand. Its understanding the misrepresentations upchucked by these guys, that upsets me. I would rather be blissfully unaware of the garballed lies that they spew.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@DesertKing, oh man, I hope the following sounds better in Russian
“OFF THE POST”
“RIFLED”
“I’M DOC EMMRICK”
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Sebastian Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 am
@luc20rules, Hopefully they bring back Gary Thorne to call the games.
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Well, maybe Bettman and Fehr should read this and get some idea of what hockey is really all about.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49267073/ns/local_news-los_angeles_ca/#.UGveJo7_Q21
Best wishes to the little girl, and kudos to her brothers.
“Genny kissed and hugged the Stanley Cup. Her brothers won’t touch it – they’re abiding by the hockey legend that says if you touch the cup, you can’t win it.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 am
@IceGuy, Thanks, nice article. As for Bettman just keep this quote in mind.
Genny plays in a girls’ league in Riverside called the Lady Reigns. “It’s fun … and we are dangerous,” she said. Gotta love this kid.
I would have to assume take away the fun and the danger grows.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 am
@IceGuy,
Thanks for giving us all some good news.
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Well, maybe Bettman and Fehr should read this and get some idea of what hockey is really all about.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49267073/ns/local_news-los_angeles_ca/#.UGveJo7_Q21
Best wishes to the little girl, and kudos to her brothers.
“Genny kissed and hugged the Stanley Cup. Her brothers won’t touch it – they’re abiding by the hockey legend that says if you touch the cup, you can’t win it.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 am
@IceGuy, I do love reading stuff like this!
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Getting ready to teach class this morning. I just put up the picture of the day, which happens to be the Insider group picture we took on the Staples center ice following our loss to Colorado. Oh how things have changed, but what a wonderful memory of all of us skating on the Kings home ice. Hopefully we can create more great memories.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 9:51 am
@DesertKing, Great time!
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DesertKing Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
The second best time, only eclipsed by 06/11/12.
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I’m getting the feeling that I wont be peeing on any bugs for a long, long time…
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Rich’s next post will be a very important one.
Either season is starting or the lockout has affected regular season games.
Should be any day now.
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Stuart Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@Lake Forest, I think we know which of the two it will be… My question is will they be cancelling games by the day or in week blocks? I would prefer week blocks so we aren’t constantly holding our breaths…
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@Stuart, I would assume blocks also, like they did in basketball. I do not remember what they did during the last stoppage.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@Lake Forest, Or both.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Technically I’d be ok with both, at least knowing there will be a season would be nice!
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new interview with Don Fehr….
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/48600-Oneonone-with-Donald-Fehr.html
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
@Real 7,
Thanks for the link
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Well, this made me smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpEPilV3N8k
And lets not forget that the Vancouver Cannucks have NEVER won the Stanley Cup!
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Gustavo Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
@Michael J.,
Priceless memory…
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Not sure if this has been posted before but I find it interesting…and it also kinda makes me wish I lived in Canada right now!
http://seattletimes.com/html/sports/2019282522_aphkntourneedejoueurs.html
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At the risk of being sent to the political cornfield, I hearby vow to vote for the first candidate who says during tonights debate that they would force the NHL to lift the lockout. Screw the economy, world safety and everything else. The world needs Kings hockey right now!
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Michael J. Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 9:17 am
@DesertKing,
We should plan an “insider’s night” at a Reign game.
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RICHARDS, CARTER, and FRASER, all 3 were in the 2005 gold medal Canadian team. Then they win the Stanley cup together
Go CANADA Go
GO KINGS GO!!!!!
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All I know is that today I saw the LA Kings Stanley Cup, for another time, what a rush it was to see the names of our Kings players on it, this time since I don’t play hockey when I saw it I kissed it, and of course made sure to kiss too by our players names, what a beauty it was to see our players finally on the cup, I can still smell the metal on my hands.
One day there will be hockey again, and for me yes I will be still standing there waiting to get into our place of play Staples Center, to see our boys and men play as it has been twenty five years already, and even if we did not have the cup I would be there waiting.
So for all the fans who love our Kings, hang in there and always things must come to a end and this too the (lockout) shall pass.
Go Kings Go!
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Michael J. Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 9:18 am
@Gail Web,
Were you at Mercury in Brea? My friend works there and coudn’t sneak me in
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Gail Web Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 9:33 am
@Michael J., Hi no the cup was at the Home Depot center in Carson yesterday, so instead of going in Sept I waited until now so I could see our boys names on it, what a rush.
Go Kings Go!
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Michael J. Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am
@Gail Web,
It was in Brea in the AM, but I couldn’t get in.
Congrats to you – my day will come…
Which number will be greater? Number of regular season games canceled this year due to lockout or number of snaps Tebow takes at qb this season?
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Ersberg is in the KHL!? ahah awhhh!
I miss that foo!
http://text.khl.ru/en/34444.html
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puck73 Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am
@Subby, Ersberg was treated like garbage by TM, and Quick was overworked by TM. Gee, is there a pattern here? lol
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Thank goodness we are maintaining priorities and the Kings Ice Crew calendar is going to be released on time. I guess the calendar is cheaper than my ticket plan.
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Ok, both candidates suck. Not one mention of the Kings, the NHL, or ending the lockout. DS for President!
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Real 7 Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
@DesertKing, HEY! I’m DS also; so just to clarify….Darryl Sutter for POTUS….and seriously, I’d vote for him over these two clowns….
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DesertKing Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
@Real 7,
“Coach, what would you do to revivie the economy?”
“Well, on the farm, cows, you know, well kind of, pass gas but give milk at the same time. If you play 60 minutes, it isn’t a baseball game but you have to play a cow when you the situation calls for it fer sure and the powerplay might get us back into the game but you have to keep up the effort and not fall off the stool when the leg breaks, but the equipment manager has to be quick or else Quick will let one sneak in, uh, what was the question again? Never mind, I have to plough the south 40 then go to practice.”
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Jon G Reply:
October 3rd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
@DesertKing, If they were asked about the crisis in the Middle East, one of them should have responded with a critique of Marc Andre Fleury’s playoff performance.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 10:22 am
@Jon G,
*three letters expressing laughter to myself at reading a good line*
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Just had my picture with the Cup at Home Depot Center… And man it was beautiful. Just beautiful.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 9:20 am
@Shakes,
Nice!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 10:23 am
@Shakes, Awesome. You’re in town?
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As a hockey fan here is what I would do as arbitrator for the CBA. 1 year agreement(truce) all rules stay the same from the old CBA with 2 amendments.
1. players take a 12% rollback (Equivalent to 6.84% of HRR)in Salary and team’s salary caps(Max.61.776 mil & Min. 45.776 mil).
2. Teams will be able to sell 5 mil in cap space by trade, but only if they reach below the midpoint of 53.776 mil this will allow them to go under the Min Cap to 40.776. Teams will be able to add 2 mil in to their Max Cap to 63.776 mil, but must match the amount above the soft Max Cap in a profit share pool that will go to teams below the midpoint Cap 45.776 mil.
Its obvious that we could still schedule 82 games if things were resolved this week, but past Oct 15th games will be lost. If 10 games are lost HRR likely drops what 20% with fan discontent & lost revenue of 10 games. Already that costs the players what they would be conceding here. Also the NHL would have a season preserving HRR growth from fan anamosity. It would also give the NHLPA and the NHL time a full year to negotiate the financial gap. But, Bettman and Fehr choose to play chicken and want this to be a winner and loser situation. Arena employees in this bad economy are the biggest losers in this game and with a lost preseason have already had some of there marginal week to week finances crushed in this giant clash of egos.
Must log off now before, I get hammered to the cornfield.
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anyone know how well kopi is doing?
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 9:11 am
@ashykins,
He scored a fancy goal yesterday but his team lost.
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The people that I have met on this blog are some of the best I have ever met, and one person in particular who this shout is to, qualifies as a great guy. I was invited to go see the Stanley Cup last night by @luc20rules. Also with us were, @TA and his son Josh. Just wanted to say that this guy is so typical of the many caring people I have met on this site in the past 3 years.
This blog has enhanced my life as a passionate Kings fan, and has given me a chance to branch out that I otherwise would not have had. I definately wanna thank Rich for this site, but also, just as importantly, his loyal followers who are some of the better people to be around.
Thank You again @luc20rules, and thanks to everyone who has ever extended themselves on this site. I look forward to seeing alot of you at another get together or Hammond event soon.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 10:25 am
@puck73,
Nice. And not even a hint of sarcasm or a tm/poorman reference. You’re one nutty Kings fan puck…and that’s why we love you!
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DesertKing Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 10:30 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
I just enjoyed “beating bim up” in the penalty box at Staples including
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Jeff_R Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 11:12 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Puck (Mike) is an awesome guy and I am so happy that I started posting here and have met Mike and have become good friends. The same goes to most everybody here that I have met. I hope Duncanz gets through whatever he is going through and comes back here for the start of the season, whenever that will be.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 10:36 am
@puck73, Mike, same things can be said about you my friend!
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luc20rules Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@puck73, Thanks, Puck the thing is special moments like seeing the cup are far more enhanced when sharing it with special people Kings Fans with the same level of passion for the team and the sport. I wouldn’t of met TA, Josh, you, or the many others if not for your event on Aug.23 LA Dodgers Kings Night. If only CBA could be negotiated, so we can all meet again at a Kings Game it would be great.
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neil Reply:
October 4th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
@luc20rules, would love to get together again….you all are good people!!!!
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Happy Bday JW!
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