The Manchester Monarchs reported today for pre-camp testing in New Hampshire. Andrei Loktionov reported, even though his status had been in question because of a published report that he had signed to play in the KHL. The only player on the training-camp roster not to report today was Slava Voynov, who had been assigned to the Monarchs just before the lockout. I’ll pass along more about Voynov’s possible status as I hear it. The Monarchs will have their first on-ice training-camp session tomorrow.
[UPDATE: I'm now told that the Kings/Monarchs expect Voynov to report to Manchester on Sunday.]
Everybody in the Kings organization is going to get a good look at all the prospects if the league is shut down for awhile.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
@Crown Royal, Problem is we have about 12 guys with the Kings that are in their career prime years (24 to 31). For the most part they are the better core players on the team. This is a real bad thing if we lose the season. Miss about 10 to 20 games it helps physically seeing we played into June, but to lose a season in the prime of the Kings Core group of this championship team is really about as bad a timing as there could have been. Of course the worst being if last year was lost.
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Deke'r Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
@luc20rules,….at least we’re one of the younger teams……
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luc20rules Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
@Deke’r, The only winners are the teams that sucked in 2012. As they will have high draft picks in 2013 without having a 2nd bad record in the lockout year. That is how Pitt got both Malkin 2004 2nd overall pick, and Crosby 2005 1st overall pick. The Ducks got lucky in 2005 lotto getting #2 overall Bobby Ryan, from the 10th spot Laraslav Smid not being very good at 10th overall.
Crown Royal Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
@luc20rules,
What you’re saying is absolutely true but there are other ways to look at it as well. Older teams like Detroit, and Calgary are hurt worse. Other younger teams who haven’t won the Cup are trying to build team unity and figure out who can really play in the NHL and who won’t be that effective. The Kings already, for the most part, have those answers.
Every Kings player who won the Cup now becomes a more valuable commodity in terms of trade value. There is already pretty good depth in the organization and if DL is cagey he has a chance to make the organization even deeper by eventually using some of the current players as trade chips. A ten or twenty game delay would probably be ideal for the Kings rest-wise but I don’t think in the long run even a lost season will ultimately hurt the Kings more than any of the other 29 teams.
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I guess the KHL being the reason Lokti was left off the cup is moot now.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
@Dan H., besides not being true to begin with
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
@Dan H., Oops!
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luc20rules Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
@Dan H., IMHO its Russian Media printing guesses instead of doing real reporting.
@Paul Armbruster should enjoy that?
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Not saying it’s the case but if I was in Voynovs shoes i’d prefer to stay and play in my home country too. It’s probably the worlds second best league and he has the ability to play in it. Darn pesky contracts..
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LB Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
@iansez,
I would too. And I really think the Kings should support it as well.
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Deke'r Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
@iansez, ….agreed….no time to develop bad habits….
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I guess that officially dispels the theory that Lokti was left off the cup because he joined the KHL.
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Dan H. Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Beat ya!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
@Dan H., Nice! It wasn’t posted yet but you get full credit.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Since the leaders of the NHL have shown so little common sense, it is my guess they believed the rumors about Lokti going to the KHL and decided to keep his name off the Cup while meeting with Bigfoot and some aliens on a grassy knoll in Dallas.
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Stuart Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@DesertKing, you forgot to mention that they were standing over the remains of @puck73 (for you @kingsfanone), er, I mean Jimmy Hoffa…
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
@Stuart, I thought I found Jimmy Hoffa in my sons room buried under all his crap but it turned out to be his old dead dog and cat plush some food I cooked him back in 93.
Kingsfanone Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
@Stuart,
Wha?
They found @puck73………errrrrr……..Hoffa???
luc20rules Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
@Stuart, Novices everyone knows Hoffa’s bones were grinded into a fine paste and used as cure for impedence by Chinese Bussinessmen or was it aliens. What was the name of the Russian rag again? I need confirmation!
Buster Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 5:29 am
@Stuart,
I wouldn’t be surprised to find pockets of Japanese that don’t know the war’s over after clearing out my desk.
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
@DesertKing, Correct. Bigfoot had his foot in the crease, so clearly the goal should not have counted. The aliens were last seen pleading their case to the rest of the league officials while Bettman handed the Stanley Cup to Bigfoot.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
@HockeyNerd,
I just wonder who came up with the idea to let the Kings win the Cup. That had to be one hell of a meeting with copious quantities of jagrmeister amd roofies.
Stuart Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Now, for 8 years, we’ve been on our own,
and owners’ grown fat off of broken bones,
but thats not what we pay to see…
“We’re losing money” is what the owners screamed,
and on the players is where they leaned,
they again demanded cost cerain-teeeee,
oh, and while the Kings were looking down,
on the rest o the league they’d ran ’round,
the nego’s were adjurned,
no compromise was returned,
And instead of playing against the Sharks,
where Stolli’s slappers missed the mark,
the rinks just sat there in the dark,
the year the NHL died…
and we had STANLEY!!…
bye-bye North American ties, Uncle Gary and the Fehry sucked the fans til they’re dry…the KHL’s just gotten better by strides, singing this’ll be the day the league dies…this’ll be the day no pucks fly…
Sorry Don!
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@DesertKing, Oswald’s hands aren’t even as good as Richardson’s. Up and to the left. Up and to the left.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Its that Italian stick he was using. Needed a good American, Canadien or Russian stick.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@DesertKing,
True! Not even Stamkos could score with that bolt-action blade.
DLB Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), yeah, now the Kings are just being unfair to him without even a petty reason.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), As programmers say garbage in garbage out! Damn Russian Newspapers, must have been Russia’s version of TMZ.
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luc20rules Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), IMHO, I was wrong. If the player doesn’t qualify(#games or a Finals game) does the NHL have to approve his name being on the cup, and is it possible that is where it failed? Yes, this is a guess. I am really having trouble seeing how DD2 & Westy were on the cup, that Loki wasn’t seen by the organization to have contributed the same or more.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@luc20rules, Good man for admitting it. Now it’s Osaka’s turn.
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Only good aspect of the lock out…..we are going to get really good info on the Monrach’s!!!!!! Thanks Rich…I always like following players before they reach the big times!!!
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I’m here in Vegas,where are all the players at? what no FF,crap…. oh well at least we have the cup!!!!.I saw a few Kings fans on the drive out from Cali, nice to know we are still representing, okay time to hit a Royal.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@LVKINGS88,
Better make that a “Crown Royal” ha ha. Thank you, thank you very mucb, I will ne here all week before my next gig in Hackensack.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@DesertKing, I don’t want to piss Crown Royal off, NICE!!!…. I know try the fish and don’t forget to tip your waitresses.Oh by the way DK, don’t forget to borrow the CUP on your way to Hackensack, I think those people forgot what it looks like.
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Very interesting read with some direct quotes from players saying they’d be willing to compromise on contract structure going forward, as long as existing contracts remain untouched. In an ironic twist, Ryan Clowe talks about principle.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/hockey-san-jose-sharks/sharks-talk/Some-Sharks-suggest-a-CBA-compromise?blockID=780817&feedID=10290
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@FKA PakiFro,
The only principle Clowe knows is the one he visited in school countless times.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@FKA PakiFro,
“I still feel like they (the owners) are not that brain-dead where they want to risk losing a season, because of the way hockey is going right now,” Clowe said.
It’s probably best that Clowe doesn’t invoke the phrase ‘brain-dead’ ever again. I can’t take a word he says seriously even if it’s positive.
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Lake Forest Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
@FKA PakiFro, ha, i made an effort to sign up to that website and leave a comment as “SharksSuck”
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CB14 Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
@Lake Forest, It’s on there now.
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CB14 Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
@FKA PakiFro, Reading that article just pisses me off. The fact that we might miss an entire season, or a portion of the season, all because the owners just want to stick it to the players again. The players only want to make sure that the contracts that they’ve signed, will be paid in full. Set the numbers at 54% nest season, and 50% from then on and be done with it. The players get to recieve all of the money from the contracts that they’ve already signed, and after 1 year, the owners get the 50-50 split that they want.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
@CB14, that’s exactly the idea that I think they should use. It seems logical…
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Deke'r Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
@FKA PakiFro, …….that….is ….true Mr Spock…..but….are….you sure the owners will see it….that way?
luc20rules Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
@FKA PakiFro, Well we already know Clowe will compromise the NHL rules and the integrity of the game why not contract structure as well.
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@DesertKing:
(From the declassified June 11 logs)
Bettman: “What should I call you”?
Man in Black: “Deep Stick” will be fine.
Bettman: “Is this Ryan Clowe, I’m talking too?, Oh, never mind. Now operation LA fix is almost done, but we have to make sure the Kings win this because Marty’s getting really hot. Now I’m going to have the ref call a 5 minute boarding penalty and….”
Deep Stick: “You forgetting the Kings almost have more short handed goals than power play goals right now. ”
Bettman: “Can we get to Marty?”
Deep Stick: I doubt it. Maybe Elias, if we promise him the game puck FOR Marty. That might work”.
Bettman: It would make me feel better if the Kings could actually score 2 or 3 on it. Is there any way at all?”.
Deep Stick: Hmmm. The Devils PK hasn’t been great, true enough. We can slip in the remote controlled puck, and transmit the code to put it on someone’s stick. How about Lewis?
Bettman: Lewis doesn’t play on the Power Play.
Deep Stick: Leave that to me. We no longer have to worry about Kompon. Rembrandt I told you Nicholls was working for us?
Bettman: Oh that’s right.
Deep Stick: 3 goals on that Power Play should do it. I’ll make sure Brodeur is pulled early on though, just to be safe.
Bettman: Great. Do you have a final score for me?
Deep Stick: 4…5…no lets make it 6 to 1.
Bettman: And NBC has been given “rumors” that Kovalchuk has a sore back? We still gotta take every precaution to make this believable.
Deep Stick: Got you covered there. No worries.
Bettman. Thanks. Here is a check for the usual amount.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Nice! @DesertKing would be proud!
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DesertKing Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
@Kingsfanone,
Extremely proud! Couldn’t have done better!
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posted this link in the last topic, but more appropriate here…
a new Kings prospects analysis: http://hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1390
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Jon G Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
@LB, Great stuff. Thanks for posting the link.
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Gustavo Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 8:25 am
@LB,
Good analysis. Thank you.
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Mike Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@LB, man what a rediculous rediculous list. Weal at 4!? Kozun at 13!? Jones at 11!? I can’t believe some guys actually get paid to have people put lists together who have no idea what they are doing.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:25 pm
@LB, Ouch! Thomas Hickey – Projection: He could be a third pairing defenseman
So basically they are saying he will be a Mike Weaver type undersized career 3rd pairing guy. 4th overall pick in a very, very, extremely bad draft year. I remember thinking it was odd hearing about how DL was trying very hard to trade down and/or the 4th overall pick for young prospects at the time.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:27 pm
@luc20rules, IMHO this guy may not be that great of an evaluator does anyone know? I remember looking at Hockey Futures and seeing King rated an F and Nolan a D. So really this is just someones opinion it may not be right.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 1st, 2012 at 6:28 pm
@luc20rules, Note Hockey Future rating form Oct 2011.
OK so they met today. Sounds like progress, but not on the biggest issue, but progress nonetheless.
It says they are meeting tomorrow and Sunday.
We could possibly see some good news!!!!
(again a guy has to dream)
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CB14 Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
@Lake Forest, Lets hope so. This weekend seems to me to be a bit of a cutoff point in terms of regular season games being cancelled on Monday if no significant progress is made over the weekend.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
@CB14, If hell freezes over and there is actually an agreement made this weekend are they actually going to play the full season without any preseason games at all? I think at least 10-15 games lost off the regular season is a foregone conclusion at this point, even in the best case scenario.
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CB14 Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
@HockeyNerd, I don’t know for sure that they would begin the season without any pre-season games, but I would think that they would try their best to get in all 82 regular season games. As far as I know the players don’t get paid for pre-seson games, and the owners don’t get TV revenue for pre-season games either. So I could see them beginning the season without any pre-season games, but it is a bit far fetched.
Happy Birthday Penncakes!
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
@CB14,
What’s the cake made out of?
Naw……..too easy, huh?
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DesertKing Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 8:48 am
@Kingsfanone,
They could have used Bisquick. Aunt Jemima is pretty good. The generic store brands are not that good. Knowing how stupid Bettman is, he probably sent a cake made from waffle mix.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@DesertKing,
I got that! Funny!
@Rich Hammond,
Hope you didn’t get heartburn from that breakfast(?) at Cici’s! Boy, it sure looked tasty tho!
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Rich (or anybody for that matter), do you know if any of the King players besides Kopitar are planning to play in Europe? I know Bernier and Gagne are part of the Quebec rink tours, but do you know if the other King players are in the LA area working out? I’m just curious what the players are doing while the lockout goes on.
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HILARIOUS!!
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/local-brothel-sponsors-german-hockey-team-thanks-former-180011710–nhl.html;_ylt=ApyBRZenGIREf4BMmV3HRFN7vLYF;_ylu=X3oDMTN1M2lvbDZvBG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBOSEwEcGtnA2QzODQzYWY0LTNjOTgtMzQ1Yy04NmEwLTE0NWUyZDYyNTJjZgRwb3MDNgRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyA2E2ZmY3ZjUwLTA5OTctMTFlMi1iNzNmLWVhN2QyNTRmYzU0Zg–;_ylg=X3oDMTFoYWo1YzR1BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuaGwEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3
Have fun, Symmonds
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OT, but the US is tearing it up at Medinah.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:45 am
@Michael J.,
I’m watching also. It ain’t over til it’s over! Don’t take the boot off their throats!
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Question…I saw above wrt draft. If this season isnt played…next year’s draft is in the same order as this year??? That’s B.S. If i have one of the top picks I would give up this season to get another young prospect…
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am
@Neil, No, it wouldn’t be the same order. If it goes down like last time, there would be a lottery. Teams would get 1-3 balls. The Kings would likely get 1 ball. Also, the number 30 pick would also get number 31, which is not the usual order.
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Neil Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Thanks buddy…..That is one of the great things about this site….someone always seems to know the answers…Thanks again…
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
@Neil, So true! You’re welcome. Let’s just hope it doesn’t come to that.
Buster Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
In other words, we lose the 30th pick to Columbus and pick 31st. Not a bad deal.
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Kopi’s totally in x’mas color.
http://www.dt.se/sport/1.5142303-se-bilderna-fran-slaget-om-siljan
That hurts my eyes, man …
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:03 am
@goldielocks, The Italian Stallion! He looks like an Italy flag. At least he’s wearing #11.
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GO KINGS GO!! GO KINGS GO!! Go Kings Go! Go Kings Go! go kings go. go kings go. go….kings…go. go……..kings…….go. Gone..
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It’s official! Cup engraved!
http://www.whosay.com/lakings/photos/230543
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@Kingsfanone, Isn’t it great? What a sight to behold! I cleaned up the photo a bit here: http://bit.ly/TSnVRG
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 10:47 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
It is beautiful! Great job cleaning it up too, Paul!
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Stuart Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@Kingsfanone, I wonder why everyone’s name is the full name except for Voynov… he’s just Slava.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
September 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@Stuart, Vyacheslav Leonidovich Voynov or better yet Вячесла́в Леони́дович Войно́в
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