The Kings will assign 15 players to the AHL: Andy Andreoff, JF Berube, Rob Czarnik, Nic Deslauriers, Martin Jones, David Kolomatis, Brandon Kozun, Andrei Loktionov, Jordan Nolan, Brian O’Neill, Tanner Pearson, Nikolay Prokhorkin, Tyler Toffoli, Linden Vey and Jordan Weal.
The most notable name not on that list is Slava Voynov. The list is likely to grow tomorrow by t least three, assuming that Andrew Bodnarchuk, Stefan Legein and David Meckler clear waivers.
There’s also a chance that more players could be headed to Manchester during a (probable) NHL lockout. There are five additional players who meet the criteria to sign an AHL-only contract during the lockout. They are Andrew Campbell, Marc-Andre Cliche, Rich Clune, Thomas Hickey and Jake Muzzin. So, there is a way for the Kings to get those players to the AHL without the waiver process, but there’s no guarantee that they will sign those AHL contracts. We should know more in the next few days.
There was a report that Voynov is working on a contract with his old KHL team – Traktor Chelyabinsk.
[Reply]
LB Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@LB,
I wonder if Loktionov can still sign to play in Europe if the Kings assigned him to the AHL? Or any of the others.
[Reply]
Rich Hammond Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
He would be in violation of his NHL contract. Voynov, assuming he becomes locked out in approximately eight hours, would not be.
[Reply]
Sebastian Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
@Rich Hammond, 8 hours?
I thought the current CBA ends on Saturday at 11:59 p.m.
Rich Hammond Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Yes, that’s correct. Sorry, I was thinking ahead one day in my mind… 8 + 24 = 32 hours.
Sebastian Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
@Rich Hammond, 32 hours..go it….
“So you’re telling me there’s a chance” (Dumb & Dumber)
luc20rules Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
“In these dard days. It is long since there has been any hope” Boramir, Lord of the Rings
this just really pissed me off… Bettman needs to go
[Reply]
Gmo Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
@pr0cess,
Why bettman?
[Reply]
pr0cess Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
@Gmo, This will be his 3rd lockout on his watch, he a greedy sob…
[Reply]
Gmo Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@pr0cess,
He is greedy? How so? He is just following the mandate of the owners. There are 30 owners (if not more) behind the scenes that tell him what to do.
Weasel Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@pr0cess,
Look the owners won every concession they demanded after the last lockout. If they were too stupid to get it right then they don’t deserve our loyalty if they put us through another lockout now.
And if Bettman is nothing but a powerless pawn of the owners he should resign in shame. Stern would never stand for being completely ineffectual and Bettman shouldn’t either. And if Bettman does have actual power then he should be fired for allowing the sport to get to a lockout position again so soon.
In my very biased opinion as a hockey fan if a single regular season game is lost Bettman must be sacrificed as a peace offering to US.
RichardQ Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@Gmo, Thank you!
@pr0cess, Bettman gets a lot of hate because he is paid to be the “face” of the NHL, and he is paid quite well. Around $8 million a year I believe and he gets that with or without a season.
The facts are he answers to the Board of Governors who are put in place by the owners.
Think of it like trying to buy a car. The sales person knows the bottom line he can sell that car for. His job is to get you to agree on a price has high as possible over that while making you think you’re getting a good deal.
No matter what price the two of you agree on, he can only sell you that car at that price if his manager says OK.
Instead of booing Bettman, boo the owners… or boycott/email the owner’s other business and explain they are being unreasonable.
Osaka Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
@pr0cess, From an owners standpoint they should have more lockouts not less. Hockey fans don’t seem to mind so the players have no leverage.
USHA #17 Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
@Gmo,
One word: Expansion.
Don’t know your age (meaning how far back or how long you’ve followed hockey) but if its less then 20 years you’ll have no idea what I am talking about.
[Reply]
Osaka Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
@pr0cess, Why should he go? Since the last lockout revenues went up 50%, the owners are making more money. That is what he is paid $8 million to do. Lockouts don’t hurt the game and make the owners more money. Lockout=good business.
As a fan I feel your frustration but Bettman doesn’t work for us, he work for the owners.
[Reply]
Kozun, Pearson, Prokhorkin, Toffoli, Vey and Weal. I don’t think Kozun gets a shot with Sutter here, but I wonder how when/if we see the other 4 in LA.
[Reply]
Crown Royal Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
@2hitnik,
All five of these forwards are more top six types. The Kings have four fowards who will likely be locks for several years to come (Kopi, Brown, Richards and Carter). JW will probably be around for a couple of more years. Barring injury that leaves one forward spot available in the top six. In addition to the five you mentioned, there’s Czarnik, Kitsyn, and Loktionov to consider. This is assuming Penner, King and Nolan are bottom six forwards which would also include Stoll, Clifford, Andreoff, Lewis, and Frazier. The Kings also have a good prospect playing college hockey, Shore, who might be a second or third line center in the future. Schumacker might also be a guy to keep an eye on…
Not all of these guys will develop into NHL caliber players and injury is always a factor. The Kings look pretty good at forward for the future but I would still like to see a couple of big forwards added to the mix. Maybe one being a center.
[Reply]
DEH Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
@Crown Royal, Prokhorkin showed he can play a fourth line role quite effectively in the KHL playoffs last year.
[Reply]
Crown Royal Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
@DEH,
Not saying he or some of the others couldn’t play on the fourth line but I doubt the Kings drafted him as a potential fourth liner. A lot of things can and will change over the next two or three years regarding the Kings forwards. The main point I was trying to make is that there aren’t a lot of slots available currently or on the horizon when it comes to the forwards. A couple of D-men spots will be available when Mitchell and Scuderi eventually depart and if Bernier leaves the Kings will need to add depth in goal as well.
luc20rules Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
@DEH, Nice to know. If he can play the 4th line and step up to top six that would give the team alot of options moving forward.
Weasel Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
@2hitnik,
Doesn’t Pearson sound (since we haven’t seen him play) like a Sutter type of guy? He does to me. Which means nothing if he can’t actually play of course.
[Reply]
What qualifies a player to sign an AHL-only deal? It’s odd because these are players with NHL contracts. Normally, a player on an AHL (only) contract has no NHL SPC and is by definition a free agent. Is this something created just for these (lock-out) circumstances?
[Reply]
Rich Hammond Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
The only players eligible are those who were physically in the AHL at the end of last season or were on the clear-day roster. (I’m uncertain about Dwight King, who was technically on the clear-day roster as a recalled player but was in the NHL at the time, and never returned to the AHL.) This is actually an AHL rule, and I have no idea when they started enforcing it, or why…
[Reply]
Kingsfanone Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
@Rich Hammond,
So you’re saying this entire CBA process is clear as mud….basically?!?
[Reply]
luc20rules Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
@Kingsfanone, I feel Rich’s pain. The CBA is a 1000+ page legal document that doesn’t always tie and link things together. Its clear if you have the whole thing committed to memory.
I think it is good that Nolan is headed down there. If it is a long lockout he can work on his game.
I feel for the young players at any level of professional hockey. The lockout is going to have a big effect on everyone.
With the level of uncertainty out there is shows how smart some older guys like Willie Mitchell were smart to lock in salaries at the end of last year. You just do not know how these things will play out.
[Reply]
Does this mean no Frozen Fury? No Vegas
[Reply]
Man, to think we should be starting Kings hockey again soon, if it weren’t for this lockout crap… Anyone think we’ll get 3/4 or 1/2 a season at least??
[Reply]
Richie Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
@#unclewillyson, hockey by thanksgiving, fingers crossed. could also so an extension of the season into late june if they want to really save sales at the gate
[Reply]
Damn shame these kids won’t get to experience the big league camp this year.
[Reply]
Bob Bobson Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@Jerod, The Kings will just have to win it again!
[Reply]
If prime ticket was smart or nhl network..they would televise ahl games…it would help grow the players names when they do reach the nhl.also it would keep fans like me still in touch with hockey…
[Reply]
Stuart Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
@neil, highly doubt 1 minutes of air time will be given to any other hockey outlet on prime or FS…
[Reply]
Scarletcat Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
@Stuart, I could see FSW/PT showing Reign or Monarch games since there’s a tie to AEG. It would be nice if they worked together to promote the sport and I’m sure the exposure and tie-in to the Kings would help those team’s revenues too.
NHL network has shown AHL games throughout the season though not on a regular basis. It would be interesting if in a lockout what the league’s face on cable puts out. Heck, I’d be okay watching KHL games at this rate!
[Reply]
Weasel Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@neil,
Great idea – but seems very unlikely as the general audience just wouldn’t be there.
[Reply]
this whole situation is terrible, So disappointed in the sport that I dearly love. They better kiss and make up by Sunday or kiss their millions good bye! I don’t have a side in this fight, but they are all millionaires, players and owners alike, and I spend my hard-earned money on tickets, merchandise, etc and they reward me with a lockout! Live in my world for a month, then take what you get and shut up!
[Reply]
Maybe the (poor, suffering) owners would lose less money if they could stop having lockouts every 6 years? Something is seriously wrong with the business side if the NHL if they (management) can shut their doors for a year every 6 years.
So, the NHL has a poor business structure, then wants the players to subsidize their failing business model so more teams (that in an unsubsidized market would not exist) and more players can play?
Players AND the NHL (and fans) need to take their medicine and let the failing teams fail which would thin the herd and help improve the fundamentals of the NHL as a business. Once the players started subsidizing the NHL the owners of course were just going to ask for more.
[Reply]
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
@MmmmYummy, Amen brother. This whole thing is happening because a couple of small market teams that have no clue how to run a hockey team are holding 1) the other owners 2) the players and 3) the fans hostage. It is absolutely disgraceful. Hockey is the greatest sport in the world, if YOU OWNERS not anyone else but YOU OWNERS cannot make money off it you do not deserve to be in buissiness. Stop whining and crying to the rest of us.
[Reply]
Osaka Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
@MmmmYummy, Revenues went up 50% since the last lockout. Lockout=good for business.
[Reply]
NEWS FLASH **** NBC has announced that due to the pending NHL lockout, they are planning to replace the NHL games with field hockey and water polo games. Doc Emerick and Brian Hayward will serve as the announcers. In an unrelated story, the suicide rate in LA just increased dramatically in the last 3 minutes……
[Reply]
pr0cess Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
@DesertKing, I don’t want to live on this planet anymore
[Reply]
DesertKing Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
@pr0cess,
Unfortunately, they beam that crap into space. Of course, that is probably the main reason no alien culture has tried to conquer us. Other than Kings hockey, what would they want?
[Reply]
jet Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
@DesertKing, could we get replays, the best of B Hayward.
[Reply]
Doan re-signs with PHX….4 years, $21 Mill
[Reply]
DesertKing Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@BrokeKingsFan,
That will get him the Cup…… loser……
[Reply]
Osaka Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
@DesertKing, He took less money to play for the only franchise he ever played for. Pretty solid move.
[Reply]
DesertKing Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
@Osaka,
Sorry, but he swore he was all about winning the Cup. He pulled a Kobalchuck on PHX and by accepting less than one of the other offers, he basically jacked PHX for more money while making them think they got a deal. Yep, classy solid guy.
Osaka Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
@DesertKing, Huh? What player doesn’t try to sign for more money? What UFA takes 2 million less than another team offered? Maybe he did get a little more from PHX, I couldn’t imagine they would have offered much less though. His cap hit is $700,000 more than last year! Is PHX even above the cap floor?
What is Drew’s cap hit again?
Stuart Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, better there than in VAN… either way, won’t be lifting a 35 lb cup!
[Reply]
DesertKing Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
@Stuart,
+1
[Reply]
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, All 21 Coyote fans in the city of Phoenix can now breath a massive sigh of relief.
[Reply]
DesertKing Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Along with that sigh, they also have the feeling they were just robbed on the Knotts Berry Farm train.
[Reply]
Michael J. Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
@DesertKing,
Nice.
Funny thing is that my friend used to work at Knotts and was a “bandit”.
Belexes Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
@BrokeKingsFan,
Good, now I can continue to hate him…
[Reply]
Rich, Voynov is not eligible to be sent to the AHL. He was not includes on their clear day roster. Loktionov and Nolan were on that list so they were eligible.
[Reply]
Rich Hammond Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Clear-day roster had nothing to do with that part of it. Voynov could have been assigned/loaned with the other 15 because he didn’t need to go through waivers. Jeff Solomon specifically said so. Clear-day roster only pertains to players potentially signing AHL contracts this season.
[Reply]
Interesting:
Q: WAS THE NHL HURT BY THE LAST LOCKOUT?
A: Attendance did not suffer at all, lending credence to the notion that hockey has a committed fan base that will retain its season tickets. The league’s regular-season average increased from 16,534 in 2003-04 to 16,954 in 2005-06, according to STATS LLC, and was 17,454 last season. Only seven teams experienced substantial decreases from 2003-04 to 2005-06: Columbus (17,369 to 16,796), Dallas (18,355 to 17,829), Edmonton (17,678 to 16,833), New Jersey (15,060 to 14,230), the New York Islanders (13,456 to 12,609), St. Louis (18,560 to 14,213) and Washington (14,720 to 13,905). In contrast, Major League Baseball has larger venues and nearly twice as many games and is far more reliant on single-game sales. After the 1994-95 strike, MLB’s average attendance didn’t recover to its pre-walkout level until 2007.
____
Q: HOW ABOUT THE NHL’s WIDER AUDIENCE, AS MEASURED BY TELEVISION RATINGS?
A: Tampa Bay’s win over Calgary in the 2004 Stanley Cup finals averaged 3.3 million viewers on ABC and ESPN, according to Nielsen Media Research, while Carolina’s victory over Edmonton in 2006 averaged 2.8 million on NBC and OLN. Average viewers rose to 5.2 million on NBC and Versus when Chicago beat Philadelphia in 2010, then fell to 4.6 million on the same networks for Boston’s victory over Philadelphia in 2011 and 3 million on NBC and the NBC Sports Network for Los Angeles’ win over New Jersey this year. Just for comparison with other leagues, last February’s Super Bowl was seen by 111 million people and the World Series and NBA Finals each averaged more than 16 million viewers.
[Reply]
One can only hope the Kings Org. would keep the fans ok, and happy like on old timers games and such and I am sure they will do what ever they can do keep us LA Fans ok, for the time being and now our guys will have more time to rest up and this is a good thing, so
Go Kings Go!
[Reply]
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2012/06/13/2012-stanley-cup-playoffs-viewership-recap-los-angeles-posts-record-ratings-for-stanley-cup-final-440415/20120613nbc05/
Read that regarding our Stanley Cup and ratings.
[Reply]
Kingsword Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@Kingsword, · In Los Angeles, the Cup-clinching Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Final received a 13.6 household rating, the highest local rating ever in the market for a NHL playoff game on broadcast television on record (since 1976)…
[Reply]
Weasel Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Kingsword,
Even more amazing since virtually all of us 20+, 30+ year suffering fans (I’m a 40 year fan) hocked our houses and actually WENT to the games.
[Reply]
Save, Hrudey! Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 12:25 am
@Weasel,
Haha….true. I was there.
I read recently that sending players to the AHL exposes them to one-way or two-way waivers. Rich, can you further explain this so I/we are aware of the ramifications of send players to Manchester?
[Reply]
Rich Hammond Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
http://lakingsinsider.com/2012/09/14/three-kings-on-waivers/
Only players exposed to waivers now are Bodnarchuk, Legein and Meckler.
[Reply]
Blue Liner Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Rich Hammond, HA! Thanks. If all else fails, read previous posts.
[Reply]
Is Voynov not being sent down a statement in where the Kings feel he is in his development process? Or, is the prospect of him maybe playing in the KHL better than filling a spot where a developing defenseman could be? Because I would agree that Voynov solidified himself as an NHLer, but I want to make sure this is good news for him.
[Reply]
CB14 Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Chigbundu, I think both of those scenarios are true. Plus he can probably make more money in the KHL than he could in the AHL. It will work out well for both Slava, and the Kings. He gets to make more money and play in his native country, and the Kings get to have an additional spot for a d-man in Manchester.
[Reply]
I didnt go through comments, but the other day someone asked about the reasons behind the lock out
http://news.yahoo.com/nhl-lockout-know-162929731–nhl.html
[Reply]
Of course the owners don’t care about locking out the players. Why should they? They have other sources of income and know that all us loyal fans will come back like we did last time. As much as I’d like to say I’m mad and won’t spend any of my hard earned money on them when they come back, I will because I love it. What else am I going to do, watch NBA? Baseball?
Hockey fans are some of the most loyal of any sport. They aren’t worried about losing us. Yeah they’ll have to make up some ground with the casual fan, but not the core.
Since we all know there is 0% chance of us ignoring the NHL for any length of time in protest once the season starts (esp as defending Cup champs!!!) we’re gonna watch the games on TV to get our fix no matter what.
The only “power” the fans have is to not go to the games live. Watch it on TV. Cheer on your team from home with a bunch of buddies and beer. Play fantasy hockey like you’re Dean Lombardi. Just don’t go to the games. They start having 4000 people instead of 15000 people per game, maybe that will give them second thoughts on locking out again in the future.
Do I think this will happen. Not really. But it’s all we have if we really do want to make our voices heard. Right now, they could care less about us because we came back by the hundreds of thousands last time, like hungry wolves that have been deprived of meat for a year. More willing than ever to spend $$ to see our favorite game. This time? Up to us to decide.
[Reply]
Lake Forest Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
@Mudfish4, http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl–nhl–nhlpa-need-spirit-of-compromise-and-common-sense-to-start-making-cba-progress.html
Not just owners, it takes two to tengo
[Reply]
Mudfish4 Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@Lake Forest, Link not working.
[Reply]
CB14 Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
@Lake Forest, It’s not the players fault, this one is entirely on the owners. The owners got EVERY SINGLE FREAKING THING they wanted in the last CBA. Revenues increased 50% over the length of the CBA, and their first offer to the players for a new CBA is to take a 25% pay cut. Which, coincidently, is nearly the same amount of a pay cut they took during the last negotiations, which was 24%.
The players offer is more than fair for both sides. If a few of the weaker cities can’t survive under the current system, then lower the cap floor so that they can stay in business. Or, god forbid, get rid of them. Phoenix anyone???
[Reply]
Osaka Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
@CB14, True, true, true. But in negotiations it doesn’t matter who is right, it is all about who has leverage. The league didn’t suffer from the last lockout so what leverage do the players have? What is the best deal they hope to get? What can they hope to get from the owners 6 months from now as opposed to today?
Millionaires arguing with billionaires over who gets more of the pie that the fans happily bake for them despite the fact that many of these fans are facing real economic issues because the economy still isn’t right. Screw both sides.
[Reply]
Deke'r Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
@deadcatbounce, …I’m with you…
[Reply]
jet Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
@deadcatbounce, but remember 4 years ago when I said your moniker reminded me of my 201K, well it is almost back to a 401K, so there are some positives. Also the Kings played 3 months longer than usual so the extra rest is a godsend for this season. Everyone wins, except Vancover.
[Reply]
deadcatbounce Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 10:03 am
@jet, Yes, that is true for some of us, but for a lot of others times are still tough. I have a friend who’s been unemployed for over two years now and another who’s just getting her feet back into her chosen field. Meanwhile, the owners and players want even more of our money. Blah! How much is enough? They’re never happy. This could go into a rant of epic proportions, so I think I’ll spare you and Rich and everybody else, so I’ll end here. Have a great day and, if you’re in Southern California, try to stay cool. Perhaps I should think about changing my user name to reflect the times, but I don’t think we’re out of the woods just yet.
[Reply]
Let’s see, the owners locked the players out last time and revenues went up %50 since. Why wouldn’t Bettman and the owners lock the players out again? What would be the motivation to avoid a “work stoppage”? It obviously doesn’t affect the fans or the game. The only thing that will come from a lockout is more money for the owners.
Bettman and the owners are not stupid, just greedy.
[Reply]
luc20rules Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
@Osaka, Its an excuse to squeeze even more out of the players.
Management’s latest offer has a short shelf life. Once the lockout begins, Bettman says “the economic damage would cause owners to offer players a less beneficial deal.”
Translation after the lockout the barrel will be removed and the players must grab their ankles for support. My guess is a very long lockout if not another season lost with the deal final CBA having the reduced revenue & player rollback/escrow of 25% of their salary.
[Reply]
luc20rules Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
@luc20rules, “reduced revenue” HHR that the NHL initially wrote in their first proposal.
[Reply]
Why will this be the 3rd lockout for Bettman? It is our fault. Hockey fans are too loyal, and a lockout doesn’t have an affect on attendance or revenues. The players have no leverage in this situation. We are enablers.
[Reply]
luc20rules Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
@Osaka, Not saying your wrong on this, but making the total revenue bigger will make everyone happy, but the fans that can’t afford inflated tickets prices. In life how often are the poor winners?
[Reply]
Deke'r Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
@luc20rules, …..time is coming when the average joe won’t be able to take his family anywhere but the soup line….its coming….
[Reply]
deadcatbounce Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 12:01 am
@Deke’r, And while we’re all visiting in the soup kitchen, Mr. Kopitar and Mr. Doughty will be among those munching happily away at their prime rib and whining about how the owners don’t give them enough. Although management wants to players to save them from themselves with a new CBA, the players have to burden their share of the blame for this mess. The only ones who will be really hurt by all of this are the fans, but maybe the teams might get a clue when they can’t sell as many tickets or souvenirs.
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 1:35 am
@Deke’r, @deadcatbounce: Let’s say you know some very rich person that wants to open a restaurant that serves, oh I don’t know– lets say prime rib. Your rich friend knows absolutely nothing about running a restaurant but you do. Your rich friend makes one mistake after another but thanks to the advice you give him his restaurant is a success.
Then he pulls you into his office one day and says that even though he is making good money thanks to your sound buissiness advice he wants to cut your salary by 25%. And if you don’t agree he will close the restaurant until you do agree.
Now please explain to me why the customers of that restaurant who hear it may close should be angry at YOU.
Maybe this question should have been asked months ago, but here goes: Why is the soon to be expired CBA only 8 years, when the last two were 10?
[Reply]
CBA – Can Bargain Anytime
[Reply]
deadcatbounce Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 12:03 am
@DesertKing, So they could get more money more quickly…
[Reply]
DesertKing Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 8:27 am
@deadcatbounce,
So they can use their entire expense accounts first then the real bargaining begins.
[Reply]
deadcatbounce Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@DesertKing, Aha! There yu go! We all need expense accounts! One thing which has always amazed me is that people who make millions of dollars need a per diem when they’re on the road.
Let’s start a petition that promises that we will NOT attend another game (even a Kings game) if there is another lockout.
[Reply]
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 1:13 am
@Save, Hrudey!, Please don’t take this the wrong way but my most heartfelt advice is that you spend that same time and energy on your favorite human rights, neighborhood, or political cause instead.
I am sure Bettman and the owners can ALREADY wallpaper their offices 100 times over with petitions and letters from fans. Do you think they care less? They don’t. If they truly cared about the sport would we have so many mismanaged teams? A point system that awards the loser of a game a point in some games but not in others? Owners who spend millions on washed up players them cry they are losing money? A league that throws the rulebook out the window if it owns the team or the player plays a puck from the players bench? Supposed “executives” that deal with a problem by not dealing with it every time there is a dirty hit, stick swinging incident or sucker punch? We have already had 2 stoppages. Do you really think a petition or 2 or even a hundred is gong to actually knock some sense into these people’s heads? Get real, man. THEY DON’T CARE AND NOTHING IS ****EVER**** GOING TO MAKE THEM CARE. I want to — and have — and — will — CONTINUE to watch Crosby, Kopitar, Quick, Stamkos, Malkin, Brown, etc. etc. IN SPITE OF how these clowns are running the sport. Because the sport of hockey is about THE PLAYERS, not the owners.
Sorry for screaming. Hey, I’m as angry and upset as you are. I perfectly understand where you’re coming from. But like I said, spend your time and energy on something where you actually MIGHT make a difference.
[Reply]
luc20rules Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 10:29 am
@HockeyNerd, Only good thing that happened this weekend is another past his prime player was signed 21.5 mil over 4 years Shane Doan. We won’t need to listen to any more rants about how we need someone that we won a championship without.
[Reply]
Save, Hrudey! Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
@HockeyNerd,
With all due respect…….You are missing my point entirely.
The petition itself is not the goal. I’m sure the owners and Bettman could care less about another paper (or online form) presented to them.
The point is that we actually REFUSE to ATTEND GAMES if there is another LOCKOUT!
That does require some real sacrifice on the part of us true fans. I understand that.
If we stay away from games, then they will definitely feel it where it counts for them: their wallets.
If you don’t believe this a tool that can actually work, then you haven’t been paying attention to other recent sports in the LA area.
The former Dodgers owner (who shall remain nameless) forced fans away with moronic decisions (not unlike Bettman). Fans began to stay away in masses (myself included).
Do you see that former owner now at Dodger Stadium?
[Reply]
HockeyNerd Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Save, Hrudey!, Again: refusing to attend games is supposed to accomplish exactly what? Force Bettman out? Lower ticket prices? Cause the owners to settle sooner? Prevent a 4th labor stoppage in 10 years?
Don’t hold your breath on any of that.
Save, Hrudey! Reply:
September 16th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@HockeyNerd,
You don’t think half empty stadiums for a couple of years won’t have an effect on the owners??
The only thing they listen to is the money lining their own coffers.
Promising to boycott games this season might have minimal effect on these negotiations, but if we actually go through with it we will send a very clear message to the owners that they can’t keep jerking the fans around.
Might help prevent the next work stoppage.
I guess we wait. One day we will have hockey again. No matter the cost the players and owners want the best of outcomes. Who’s right, Who’s wrong is meaningless. The point remains… We will not start the season on time. This sucks for all Owners, Players, Fans, Employees, Families. Wow!!! Where do we go from here?
[Reply]
Sucks but i do believe the owners should pay up more than the 43% or so that Bettman was talking about in his speech.
[Reply]