Jonathan Bernier, celebrating his day with the Stanley Cup today in Quebec, reportedly told a local French-language television station, “I expect to be traded before training camp starts,” given that Jonathan Quick has signed a 10-year contract extension with the Kings (link here).
Bernier is certainly entitled to his opinion and expectation, but it doesn’t necessarily dovetail with reality. The situation isn’t any different than what was discussed in Bernier’s player evaluation (link here). If the Kings get an offer for Bernier that they believe will improve the team in the long run, they will trade him. If not, they won’t. Bernier is smart enough and reasonable enough to know that the Kings aren’t going to trade him out of charity, simply because he wants to be a No. 1 goalie. I’d like a Porsche. We can’t all get what we want. Bernier is also quoted as saying the Kings “refused” to trade him last season, which is a reach. They talked to multiple teams but didn’t get an offer they deemed sufficient. The reality is that Bernier is a 23-year-old backup goalie with 42 career starts.
Quick’s re-signing slightly increases the chances that Bernier might be traded in the short term, but it guarantees nothing. The reality is that Bernier is an outstanding young goalie and a great fall-back option for the Kings next season if something should happen to Quick. He certainly has the potential to be a No. 1 goalie in the future, but right now the Kings are focused on the Kings’ best interests, as they should be.
Though as I recall, Dean said something about moving Bernier if it was an issue with him, but I don’t remember the exact quote.
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Alex11 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@Donald_S, Alright well then see ya later! I have lost all respect, a real man would wait till the end of his existing contract. Even Rod Tidwell (Jerry Maguire) did that..Peace out Bernier nobody cares about you
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@Alex11, @pobre does!
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@Stuart,
He’s proven he’s got what it takes and won’t falter down the stretch – no matter how many pine splinters he has to tweezer out!!
luc20rules Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@Stuart, Rich “I’d like a Porsche.” We need to get Rich his Porsche. As for Bernier this changes nothing. Unless he makes a demand to be traded this means nothing. He was probably just responding directly to a question. My personal opinion is that he will be with the Kings until Feb 2013 then the team will look at where they are and what is being offered. That is unless a team offers too much for the Kings not to make a deal.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
@Duncanz, Haven’t seen where he’s proven anything at all. Up until now, he’s done a good job of supporting the guy in front of him in the lineup.
luc20rules Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
@Stuart, “I asked the Kings to trade me before the trade deadline, but they refused,” Bernier said. “Now that Jonathan Quick signed a long-term deal, I expect to be traded before training camp starts.”
This in my opinion makes it much harder to get market value for him. If he was smart he wouldn’t make this public. I think DL will move him at his leasure, but it may be sooner rather than later. This could develop into a cancer type issue although clearly it has been a problem since the trade deadline. He doesn’t want it obviously so I’ll claim his Stanley Cup Ring, or let the Hammer hawk it for a Porsche.
Stuart Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
@luc20, if we’ve learned anything it’s that the young talent is not very smart. 3D and now JB. does he think he’s going to force DL’s hand? I think not. He’ll end up creating a reputation in a negative way if he causes waves in a defending SC locker room… he needs to do what he’s told, learn to get better, and deal with whatever the remainder of his contract holds.
Duncanz Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
@Stuart, Well, I give him more points than your 3D.
At least he tried to get away with it in Froooonche!
DaKangs Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
@Alex11, lol even Rod Tidwell….
Couldn’t agree more.
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McDonalds Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@Alex11,
A little quick to hate him…wouldn’t want to get on your bad side
Can’t blame him for wanting out. He wants to get his career started. For sure i don’t see him on the roster for 2013-2014, but we’ll see about this year
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Choralone Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
@Alex11, What? I’d say he is a real man – he’s a competitor and wants to play. I think it’s healthy. If he were content to sit back and passively accept a role as backup, I would have less respect for him. He’s not demanding a trade. He’s put in his time – he wants to do some crime. Players want to play.
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luc20rules Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
@Choralone, “I asked the Kings to trade me before the trade deadline, but they refused,” Bernier said. “Now that Jonathan Quick signed a long-term deal, I expect to be traded before training camp starts.”
Sounds to me like he asked for a trade last season privately. Now he is leaking it to the press. Sounds like he is frustrated, and I don’t want that MOJO in the locker room.
jake1000 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
@Alex11, I care about Bernier, stop disrespecting him. The guy is a true team player.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 9:40 am
@jake1000, I agree. All he said is he “expects to be traded”. He’s not demanding anything and he has been the consummate professional in the backup role. He’s a good guy and a good teammate and I hope the best for him whatever happens. Wow, what a great bunch of fans.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
@jake1000, I’m kinda in the middle here. I don’t agree with Alex11′s rhetoric, but “expects to be traded” isn’t exactly “true team player” in my book.
Hadley Reply:
July 14th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
@jake1000, I have watched this young man time after time doing everything anyone could expect of him as a team player. Watch his body language when he congratulates his counterpart after a game — it’s real.
Jonathan Bernier is arguably the best backup goalie in the NHL. The Kings are fortunate to have him.
Anjin Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 6:51 am
@Alex11, I have no problem with him asking for a trade so he can be the #1 goaltender somewhere but I do have a problem with him doing it publicly.
Be a pro and deal with being a backup for now. The Kings made it perfectly clear with Quick’s new extension that he is our #1 guy for a very long time but also remember that if JQ ever gets hurt he is the guy the team knows can jump into that spot and hold down the fort.
He’ll get his shot but it’s not like he’s 30 years old and still looking for his chance to be a #1.
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Neil Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 11:12 am
@Alex11, Definitely can’t say nobody cares about him. He’s a great player and team mate from what it seems. My guess and IMO he gets a few more starts toward the beginning of the year to showcase him and if he proves good enough will be great trade bait by the deadline. All the best to him and I still respect the guy greatly.
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mash-ola Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
@Donald_S, What would Poorman do???
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
@mash-ola,
Moving to Manhattan won’t work …
Out of the pot (Kings) and into the fire (‘the King’) !
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Peter90210 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@Donald_S, Rich, forget the Porsche. I had one and they’re uncomfortable as hell. Go for the Bentley instead.
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c4sraser Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
@Peter90210, you obviously had a boxter.
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 10:11 am
@Donald_S, @Rich Hammond,
Rich:
What model & what color Porsche?
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Rich Hammond Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Any will do just fine!
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Wow Rich, you are reaching with wanting a Porsche. My dream car – 1970′s K-car with both flood and fire damage, but the false wood-grain siding still intact and 8-track player still working.
Reference Bernier, completely agree with your evaluation and I don’t see him being traded until the trade deadline, when some team has determined that they need better goaltending, and are willing to part with some draft picks in order to take a chance on JB.
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Bob Bobson Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@DesertKing, I could see Bernier being traded before the deadline if a team gets desperate because 1) their goaltending severely tanks 2) goaltending injuries.
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Michael J. Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@DesertKing,
K-Car? I never heard of such a thing…
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Zeley Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@Michael J.,
If you don’t know of it, you probably shouldn’t ask. It was one of Chrysler’s “better” ideas.
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PRMan Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
@Zeley, The Relient K was so memorably bad that there’s a Christian punk band named after it since that was their first touring vehicle. (Good band, BTW.)
Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
@PRMan,
Oh really? What are they called?
friarking Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
@Zeley, Reliant K
Happy Lappy Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
@DesertKing, Yup, I had the good old K car, they were famous for 4-wheel brake lock-up. Left a King’s game one Sat. night (Forum) with my wife and son, raining, and sure enough, I applied the brakes “normally” and ended up facing oncoming traffic on Manchester. Got rid of it the following week. Thank God we weren’t on the freeway!
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This is part of the business Bernier! The Kings MUST and will do what is in the team’s best interest and if that fits with Bernier’s desires then so be it. Honestly, he has been an awesome teammate stuck behind the best goalie in the league.
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@RH, that Porsche is in the mail!
I can’t see JB being traded. He hasn’t garnered the respect that RSmythe had when he ever-so-gently asked to be moved… and besides, his stats don’t warrant very much coming back our way. Unless someone wants to gamble on his “potential” greatness… ugh
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DesertKing Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
@Stuart,
I just saw one on Wheeler Dealers that Rich could have had for 8,000 pounds. What a steal! Except for that trip to England, then shipping it back, then paying the import tax, then registering it, then smogging it….. Yea, nevermind, Rich ain’t never getting a Porsche. But I did see a very nice VW bug the other day in Bloomington……
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@DesertKing, LOL… I thought I was the only person on the look-out for one of those timeless K-cars… somehow they always had that new-car-smell to them!
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DesertKing Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
@Stuart,
It was that pine tree hangin from the rearview mirror, the only thing that always looked new.
LA_1968 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
@DesertKing, Was that the 924 that they painted with a spray can? Cool episode though.
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
@LA_1968, omg! How did I miss that! hilarious episode. My bad @DesertKing!
First and foremost, we have to come up with a solid #2 netminder. Then we can think about trading JB for the right price.
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Sebastian Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
@Munchrat, Anyone know where Ersberg is these days?
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
@Sebastian,
Dividing his time between training in Japan with Yutaka Fukufuji and playing golf in Sth America with Coldplay and @vplaza!
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PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
@Sebastian, Didn’t he bail and go to the Swedish league? I liked him but he was the odd man out.
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PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
@PW, He is in the KHL – HC Donbass
JS Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
he was sent down 2 years ago at the start of the season but he didnt show up so the kings had the right to release him so he went to sweden he would probably be a decent back up he was a decent goalie
puck73 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
@Sebastian, Ersberg? He’s still pulling the splinters out of his ass when TM was the coach here!
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Perro Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
@Munchrat, Huet is a UFA
HAHA
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Gustavo Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
@Perro,
UGGGGHHHH..!!
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
@Perro, he was supposed to be the future once upon a time… I remember how upset the fanbase was when he was let go…
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rontheking Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
@Stuart,
And upset for good reason. He had very good numbers and was an all-star a few seasons later….
Munchrat Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
@Munchrat, I am thinking more along the lines of a veteran backup that can mentor our youngsters. Someone like a Giguere??
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Kingsfan602 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
@Munchrat, no thanl u!
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DL will be smart and wait for a couple #1 goalies to go down with injuries…then try and flip JB to that team(s). Martin Jones, get your big boy skates ready, you’re on deck.
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I wonder if he is trying to say that if he is not traded, he is not reporting to camp?
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Cutty Sarkn3ss Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@Sebastian, That won’t make any team desire him more . . and I don’t see Bernie doing that
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Munchrat Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@Cutty Sarkn3ss, He’s banking over a million bucks.
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There are teams welling to give up their 1st rd pick for JB! Knowing DL HE’S 1st thinking is let’s see if I could get a good backup for under 2mil, then I can trade JB for the best draft in 10 years, 2013!
It’s going to happen sooner (sept 1st) or later (Dec 1st) I know he’s gone by that time frame!
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Sammuch Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
@Sammuch,
Correction: willing
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“We can’t all get what we want.”
Subconscious or otherwise …
Happy 50th Birthday, Mick, Keef, Charlie & the boys!!
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@Duncanz, *always?
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DesertKing Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
@Duncanz,
Never really liked those guys.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@Stu Sutcliffe,
True. Was quoting @RH Freud on his salivating above over the Porsche.
@DessertKing,
The erstwhile Steven Tallaricco’s lips – not to mention his big ten inch record – would not be what they are today without Sir Michael’s voluptuous prototype puckerers!
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@Duncanz, do they still make 10-inch records??? I thought mine was the last one!
Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
@Stuey,
Sounds like a man who is still playin’ with his toys in the attic!
Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@Duncanz, there must’ve been a door there in the wall…when I came innnnnnnnnnn…
variable Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
@Duncanz,
+19…
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@variable,
No breakdowns since Brian Jones.
43 years and counting!
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I agree on waiting. It is very likely that their will be teams with goaltending wows, there ALWAYS IS, and that is the time to have a back up that HAS PLAYED SOME GAMES and shown that he is ready. I think Bernier should get into roughly about 30% of the games during Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan. Then he will show the league that he is ready and able to be a strong pickup.
Then we can request a #1 from someone.
Aren’t you all glad we are in this position? Just think of those poor slobs down south. They are just hoping that some of the slugs that they have on their team turn around last years dismal performance.
I think we should all shed a tear for the slobs down south, and maybe contribute a good case or so of hankies for the duckies!!
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PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@centericeman, I guess they think Selanne is the answer, just signed for another year.
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VenturedAway Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 1:46 am
@centericeman, Be careful what you say, the duckies second half of 11-12 was actually very good and given enough time, would have made the playoffs.
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In a way, it’s understandable that at 23, he wants to get his NHL career going, and for the most part Bernier has been a good team player and accepted (perhaps begrudgingly) his slow and methodical ascension to the NHL. He’s a Cup winner, albeit his competitive nature would rather win as #1 and not backup, but still he hasn’t proven the consistency yet to be a bona fide starter at this level.
It might be to the Kings benefit to have him start more games this year to increase his value and give Quick some added rest. If he proves himself with the motivation of a trade by March that may be all he needs.
The writing is on the wall, but the Kings have the pen.
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I don’t see a trade happening until the end of next season. Here’s how things may play out: given our long run to the Cup, the Kings will want to give Quick more rest next season and play Bernier more. This will both allow Quick to stay fresh for the playoffs and give Bernier more exposure so that his trade value will increase. Maybe play Bernier on the order of 23-30 games. At the end of next season (Bernier will be RFA) trade him. That will give DL the option of bringing up Jones (if he has a good season in Manchester) or if not, sign a veteran backup. If Bernier is traded during the regular season, who will backup Quick? Jones is the #1 goalie in Manchester with Zatkoff gone and Berube will not be ready to handle the #1 goalie role for the Monarchs. Therefore, Jones will most likely have to play the entire season in Manchester. Hopefully Bernier plays well this coming season so the Kings can get a lot in return for him!
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PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
@Phil, I don’t think you will play your back up 30-40% of the games when you have the best goalie in the league and one of the highest paid. They wanted to give Quick a break last season and they couldn’t. I trust DL will work it out and get the best deal out there.
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I would like to see how the question was asked so I have a better idea of the context. I am not jumping on Bernier for his answer because its honest and will probably end up being true. I doubt that he is demanding a trade or being sour, he just sees the writing on the wall and it’s a highly likely. It is a testament to how good he could because any other backup wouldn’t care that Quicky signed a extention unless they were really good enough to be a #1. Obviously DL sees this and is smart enough to realize he can’t just give him up for nothing. It’s not like he has to either, they just won the cup and hold the cards.
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mash-ola Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
@PW, Agree 100%. Tone gets lost so easily if the quote is taken out of context. Just like TSN, when they reported that Rick Nash narrowed his list to six teams… none of them Canadian.
TSN created a firestorm by emphasizing that none of the teams were Canadian, as if he had some sort of vendetta against them, said that he said specifically that he wasn’t going to a Canadian team. Nothing could be further from the truth. All Nash was doing was giving the media the six teams he had narrowed it down to. Nothing more, nothing lest. But the way TSN reported it a huge wave of negative criticism circled around Nash, which was total b.s….
I’d be curious to see the interview in complete and uncut to see exactly he was trying to say…
How about Bobby Ryan for Bernier straight up?
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PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@mash-ola, I’d take that but would hate to play against Bernie that many times a year. I do like me some Bobby Ryan.
I saw that TSN headline. The canadians get upset when their homegrowns down’t want to play for their teams. I’ve never been up there yet to witness it yet but I know it is Hockey, Breathe, and Eat…In that order.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@mash-ola,
Funnily enough, JB is quoted in the article as saying he would like to move closer to home ….
Translation: THIS KID HATES AMERICA!!!
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Michael J. Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
@Duncanz,
Wow! Harsh words. Do you have any idea what it is like to live away from your home town?
Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
@Michael J.,
For 22 years, yes – and that’s almost 1/4 of a century, which conveniently is 1/2 the lifespan of The Rolling Stones (had to fet that in there)!
Btw, check out @Mash-ola’s post just above for reference.
I read TSN. Do you think for a moment they don’t read me?!
Michael J. Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@Duncanz, So you’re not a native Pahrumper?
Can I use that word here?
puck73 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@mash-ola, It will take more then J. Bernier to get Bobby Ryan. Ryan is a proven 30 goal scorer, while JB ia a proven backup at this point. You might have to throw in Hickey, and a #2 draft pick as well to make that deal.
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
@puck73, done and done. but I wouldn’t trade our jock washer to the ducks, PERIOD!
Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
@Stewawt,
Rorly Mary! Yew shawd wortch th’ whey yew tork in pawblick, or oil ave yew awp me chawmney befaw yew know awt!
PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
@mash-ola, Ryan won’t get traded to LA, that’s for sure. He will go east if he doesn’t re-sign. But if we are playing hypothetical, I’d give up JB, Taffoli, and Hickey.
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Michael J. Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
@PW,
He can’t go anywhere, he’ll be an RFA.
Michael J. Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
@mash-ola,
No way. When Bernier is traded it needs to be to an Eastern Conference team. We don’t wanting him killing the Kings all the time.
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Forum67 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@PW,
I think any Kings fan that is ready to throw Bernier under the bus for his comments, no matter the context is way out of line. Why would a guy who was drafted No. 1 want to continue to be a backup goalie on a team that just signed their No. 1 goalie to a 10 year contract extension? I’d be very disappointed in him if he was good with being Quick’s backup indefinitely.
I question whether he’ll be traded before the start of the season, but clearly his days as a member of the Kings are numbered. To date Bernier has been a good “team” player and there is no good reason at this point for anyone, regardless of the context of the Quebec article, to throw him under the bus
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variable Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
@PW,
completely agree….nice post…:)
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The situation sucks for Bernier and I sympathize with that. The guy was slated to become a #1 goalie from before he was drafted and Quick completely stole the show. I’d love to see the guy get a shot at being the #1 guy with another team. It’s a tough business and hopefully something works out that will be mutually beneficial.
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PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
@FiG17, Good problem to have for the Kings. Bernier will get a shot for a #1 somewhere. He is still really young and this is good experience for him and some team down the road. There plenty of teams that can use a goalie.
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Hah…classless move by Bernier. He has been a good team player as far as I can tell but calling to be traded is bush league. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
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Sebastian Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@Daren, im pretty sure Lombardi is going to make sure that door is locked!
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PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
@Daren, Calling and “EXPECTING” to be traded are two different things. Reeeeaaaaad the article…
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dMan Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
@PW, uhm…did YOU read the article?
“I asked the Kings to trade me before the trade deadline, but they refused,” Bernier said. “Now that Jonathan Quick signed a long-term deal, I expect to be traded before training camp starts.”
Bernier ASKED to be traded. He may not have DEMANDED to be traded but that’s more than EXPECTING to be traded.
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TeamJMFJ Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@Daren, where exactly is calling for a trade? Hes not asking for it…just saying he EXPECTS to be traded…2 totally different things
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Daren Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 8:28 am
@Everyone who responded- He ASKED to be traded before the deadline last season. ASKED. @dman Thanks for paying attention to the details.
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I see Bernier being traded after this season. I think it’s to late in the off season to trade him now, as most teams already solved their goalie trouble — Ottawa picked up Bishop, Tampa picked up Lindbeck, Columbus traded for Bobrosvky, Marty resigned, etc etc.
I also don’t recall to many teams trading for potential number one goalies going into the trade deadline. Usually if a playoff team needs a goalie upgrade midseason, they go with a veteran they can trust.
So next years draft seems likely to me. Bad teams need goalies on draft day, and this way the Kings know what draft spot they’ll be trading for. It will also give us plenty of time to sign a FA backup goalie going into the season.
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PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
@CabbagesAndKings, Playoff teams usually don’t need a goalie upgrade mid-season. Otherwise they wouldn’t really be any good. I would take Bernier over those you named. I think bernier can fetch a #1 if the goalie class and UFA class next season is weak.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
@CabbagesAndKings, He’s a free agent after this season.
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
July 14th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Restricted Free Agent — that means he’s a King.
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Im not reading a whole lot into this, neither that a trade will happen or that suddenly he supposedly has a bad attitude because of that statement. There is a huge difference between WANTING to be traded and EXPECTING to be traded. Agree 100% with Rich on this one, we should (and indeed we will) do what’s best for the Kings, not JB.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
@HockeyNerd, And Frankly I don’t see us getting fair market value at this point. He has only played 40 NHL games. For the teams that are desperate for goaltending there are lots and lots of other options.
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I would do this too … if I was signed for a couple less $ than Quicker, who’s signed for a couple less $ than Doty …
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@Duncanz, Quick was the MVP in the Finals…
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Nothing to see here folks. Keep moving.
JB is only stating the obvious. The only question is not if but when a trade will occur.
No need for anyone to get their panties in a bunch.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Thanks for that, @JackKentCooke.
Just in the process of shaking out and ironing my panties again now after reconciling this issue.
Meanwhile, I can’t believe that Doan guy wanted to win the Cup more desperately than we did!!!
What’s wrong with this complete jerk ?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sounds like he went public to start this “not happy with my current team” thing….which ultimately will get him moved. Now it’s going to get blown up and become a media frenzy.
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PW Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
@Cruiznblue, You are speculating by not knowing the context of the question.
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I’m so glad that everybody is coming around to my position.
Things we need to remember:
1) Bernier has only 40 total NHL games and 20 career wins. Nobody is going to trade the farm for an unproven goalie.
2) DL will trade Bernier when it best benefits the Kings, not JB.
3) Bernier, is contracted to earn $1,250,000 to play for the LA Kings next season.
4) Bernier is currently playing under his first contract. He isn’t going anywhere the Kings want him to go.
5) He’s the backup.
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Michael J. Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@Michael J.,
*don’t want him to go ;(
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puck73 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
@Michael J., Exactly. Oh, and BTW, The Kings own his rights til he is 27 which means they have the right to match anyone else’s offer as well.
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Michael J. Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
@puck73,
I hope the Kings extend him for three more years ASAP. His market value will rise once his contract is done.
Can they sign him to an extension this off-season?
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Sammuch Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
@puck73, do to my mothers cancer I can’t pin point a date! Another guy will be posting a beach party soon on his facebook soon for king fans!
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Again, he says he “expects to be traded” not wants to be traded. He knows the ball’s not in his court.
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this could get vey messy …….. its obvious bernier has wanted out for quite some time ….. its obvious he wants his chance to be a number one goalie
however , the problem is i believe the kings want a first rounder in return since bernier was a pretty high first rounder ………….. thats the problem ……… i dont believe any team is going to give the kings a first rounder for him at this point
i also believe in 2011 at the draft , the kings might have gotten a first round offer from tampa , but dean didnt want to do it at that time because he wanted to lock up quick first
unfortunantly , i believe berniers so-so season last year , coupled with his lack of playing time since he has been drafted in 2006 has really hurt his value in just one year ………. because its now another year he hasnt played , and when he did actually play last year , for the most part , he looked like just an average nhl goalie
so now i believe any suiters for his services have really decided to back off and not offer a first round pick for him
problem is ……. i believe the kings still want a first round pick ……… like i said , this could get very very messy , because bernier might start making waves if this process drags on into training camp …… it will be very interesting ……….if chicago took the gamble , i wouldnt mind seeing ray emery as our veteran backup in return …… he played very well for the ducks when i got to see him every game here in so cal ….. just a thought ….. anyways later folks …. have a good one
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Ouch! Feeling saucy today, Rich!? Look what happens … we win a cup, Bernier wants to be #1, Rich wants a Porche and is not afraid to make fun of our poor back up goalie…
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Part of me thinks something got lost in translation, I bet there will be a follow up to this soon.
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gary Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
@Mars, agreed, plus the French media does what it can to stir things up, “oh, did we put words in your mouth?”
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I can’t believe anybody would hold it against Bernier for wanting to be traded.
There is a reason why everybody wants him. He was the highest ranked goalie prospect in hockey, and his value is rotting on the vine.
The Kings need power play help badly. The Kings also have other top goalie prospects that could serve as a backup to quick.
The rumor last year was we almost got Patrick Sharp for him at the trade deadline and we ended up getting Carter when the trade fell through at the last minute.
This is the last year of his contract before he is a RFA. this is all posturing by Lombardi. He knows what a chip he has in Bernier.
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If a team tendered an offer sheet on JB next year assuming he isnt traded before then and the Kings choose not to match it what compensation do the Kings get? I know its draft picks but how many and what rounds? Im pretty sure it wouldnt be a 1st rounder but i really dont know.
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McDonalds Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@BrokeKingsFan,
$1,110,249 or below None
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 — 3rd round pick.
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 — 2nd round pick.
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 — 1st and 3rd round pick.
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 — 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick.
Over $6,728,781 to $8,410,976 — 2 1st round picks, 1 2nd and 3rd round pick.
Over $8,410,976 — 4 1st round picks.
So, depending on what contract is thrown at Bernier…Lindback just signed a 2 years deal with Tampa Bay worth 1.8 per year i believe. Bernier probably wouldn’t get much more than that (assuming he continues his current statistical pace), and the Kings would match any offer within that range so we could start a bidding war and trade him for more than just a 2nd round pick.
More than likely, for someone to poach him from us next year, they’d have to give him an inflated contract, like 4 million per year. Idk if we’d match that number in fear that his trade value would thus decline drastically, so we’d probably just take the compensation, which in this example would be a 1st and 3rd round pick. If Bernier turns into a stud, the team that gave him the risky contract would obviously be well rewarded. If not…
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, depends on salary. Bernier’s current salary would get the Kings a 3rd rounder.
$1,110,249 or below – No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 – 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 – 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 – 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 – 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 – Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 – Four 1st Round Picks
The best way to get any decent return for Bernier would likely be in a package deal for a decent player on a rebuilding team. Say Hickey + Bernier + a pick.
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TeamJMFJ Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, depends on the contract offered
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Porshe…..i want a falcon!
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
@neil, what about the snowman?
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DL should make a call too z islanders they need goal tending help they got nabby whos up in age and di pietro whos garbage
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
@meister könig, z islanders? Is that a jab at the french? LOL
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@meister könig,
Well they just let Montoya (31 games, 11/12) go to WPG.
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meister könig Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@Duncanz, exactly if we could just get a 1st or even a 2nd round pick for JB i say jump on that
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Give Bernier a break. He had to watch Quick from the bench the whole season as a first-round pick. Allow him a little angst.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
@Steve,
And that guy he was watching was a 72nd!
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Gustavo Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
@Duncanz,
So, what you’re saying is that Bernier is ‘overrated’?
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
@Gustavo,
Well, only by about 62 draft places, apparently..
Agree no point in trading him. He can stfu and stop pucks for another year, make a contribution to the team. Stanley Cup mofo.
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I’d like a Cadillac Escalade. Or failing that, a GMC Yukon please.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@Henrik,
I am going to award you a clown car.
You will have to share it with @Stu @DessertKing & Charlie Sheen though.
Honk! Honk!
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Well, everyone thinks JB is a nice guy! Which He has been… but I can see his nice guy days might come to end soon…
Not saying he’ll start something, but what happens he’s says, “ trade me or I wont report “??? That would put DL with no backup situation, hoping Jones can do the job…
Then the Kings might get less of a value for him! JB is already started, I’m not a nice guy anymore by talking to the media. For he’s not one those nice guys finish last guys anymore!!!!
I say if you can get a 1st rounder in the 2013 draft with a backup, do it! Best drafting 10 years!!
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
@Sammuch, I think he would be doing himself a disservice if he refused to report… nobody likes a bad attitude on the set.
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Sammuch Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
@Stuart,
I agree, but his attitude is changing fast! Believe me, at some point he’s going say, see you once you trade me!
To force a trade, he just might do that to DL !
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puck73 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Sammuch, ….and meanwhile, no insider party that you promised. Very disapointing.
Sammuch Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Sammuch,
@puck73, do to my mothers cancer I can’t pin point a date! Another guy will be posting a beach party soon on his facebook soon for king fans!
rcinscv Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
@Sammuch, Everybody ASSUMES what they read in print is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Have you ever talked to the press? There are times when a clear, concise comment is made, and by the time it is published (or aired, in the case of electronic media), it is the exact opposite of what was said. It is not always the fault of the reporter, sometimes editors misintrepret facts, have a misunderstanding, or just change things for the headlines. I would have to say, unless someone was present at Bernier’s interview, we don’t really know how the conversation went. To say he won’t report if not traded is extremely harsh.
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Sammuch Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
@rcinscv,
He did talk to the press and there is a video him saying so. I can find the link if you like!
JB wants to move on to be #1, not trying to be harsh, but that players do sometimes, DD did it, so watch out JB too, but with JB he’s asking to move out of LA!
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rcinscv Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
@Sammuch, I don’t doubt that there is a video. I’m not even saying that it wasn’t said. All I’m saying is unless someone was there or has seen the raw, unedited video, don’t assume that what was seen was exactly as it was said. I’m hesitant to believe everything I see or read, because information can be spun by both the “sender” and “receiver” through the magic of editing and inflection. As for whether or not he wants to leave, I think it is more a desire to be #1, and obviously that isn’t going to happen here. How can he be blamed for that?
I would like a Porsche, but hey this ain’t baseball. Right????
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UH OH…!!
Trade JB for a 1st round pick before he becomes a locker room cancer. Wanting out of the opportunity to play for the team that won the Stanley Cup tells me all I need to know about him. Even as a back up goalie, you’re only 23 and got a lot to learn yet, FFS!! …SAYONARA!!!
Sign Roloson for $1,525,000 (Bernier’s salary next season) to back up Quick until Jones is NHL ready.
The cap hit is $275,000 higher, so in essence we end up with a cheap 1st round pick and an experienced goalie till Jones is ready.
And yes, I do think Roloson has enough in the tank to play 20 games backing up the Conn Smythe winner, Vezina ‘should have been the winner’ and Stanley Cup Champion, Jonathan Quick.
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meister könig Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@Gustavo, +1
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Sammuch Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@Gustavo,
I very very agree!!!!
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puck73 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@Sammuch, Where’s the insider party?
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Sammuch Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@puck73,
@puck73, do to my mothers cancer I can’t pin point a date! Another guy will be posting a beach party soon on his facebook soon for king fans!
Michael J. Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@Gustavo,
I’d do it if there are willing partners. OTOH, I think he can draw in much more if the situation was right.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
@Gustavo, Wow. A reported statement that may have been lost in the translation that says he is EXPECTING (not “wants”) to be traded and that’s “all you need to know about him”?
Slow down there.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Well, lol…I know he’s not ‘expecting’ a baby. He is ‘expecting’ to be traded. In the context of the sentence I read “I expect / assume / hope / want / desire / anticipate”.
He also said the LAK ‘refused to trade him last season’. In my never humble opinion that’s too strong a language for an backup goalie with still much to prove in this league.
Could the reporter have made that up? Possibly. you know how this Canadian media tools get in the summer when they have nothing else to talk about. Hopefully, the lines of communication between JB and the front office are ongoing, open and harmonious.
In any case, yes..If he does not want to build his value backing up Quick one more year while defending the Cup, everything I said stands. See ya!
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
@Gustavo,
Cam Janssen couldn’t have said it better!
HockeyNerd Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@Gustavo, You can read anything you want into what JB said, that doesn’t mean you have the correct interpretation or you aren’t jumping to conclusions. Players do not ASK to be traded by telling the media “I expect to be traded”. Why don’t we trade anyone and everyone “before they become a cancer in the locker room”. Answer: because we DON’T know when that is going TI happen and then we wouldn’t have any players left, now would we?
@RichHammond, Bernier simply said “with quick putting pen to paper for 10 years it opens the door for me to be traded” at NO TIME IN THAT INTERVIEW DID HE SAY I EXPECT TO BE TRADED BY CAMP OR BY ANY OTHER DATE.
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Rich Hammond Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Then I would suggest you direct this comment to the author of the story, who quoted Bernier directly as saying, “Now that Jonathan Quick signed a long-term deal, I expect to be traded before training camp starts.” That’s a direct quote from Bernier. If he didn’t say it, the person who quoted him as saying such should retract it.
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 9:09 am
@Rich Hammond, Not responding to you personally on this but I think there are two connontations to the word “expect”. The most charitable one and the one I think is probably correct is JB is merely saying now that JQ is signed, that makes me expendable and I heard through my agent or DL that Toronto (or somebody) has interest in me and now DL (again because Quick is signed) has the freedom to trade me for equal value. I’m guessing he knows more about what is going on in the background than we do.
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Stuart Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 9:02 am
@rickyrick, owned!
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If I was JB I’d expect to be traded too since he knows he a number one guy. I couldn’t put a date on it though.
I’m sure there are teams that want Bernier. You also have Luongo in the same boat. Surely, some of the same teams would be interested in both guys. That creates a log jam for deals.
Then there’s the fact that this is a situation like Nash. The guy wants out (for different reasons) but that doesn’t mean he’ll go cheap. In fact it softens up the market even more when buyers know there’s a desire to deal a player.
Very tough situations. This might drag on to the trade deadline in February. With a Cup Coach Sutter might just be willing to let JB play more and he’ll either sink or swim. Swimming will yield a trade.
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Hackwoods Reply:
July 14th, 2012 at 12:26 am
@LA_1968, After JQ signed, JB did not have to say anything for the other GMs to know he is available. That became very obvious, and his comments were not what could have diminised his trade value Let’s not get down on JB for wanting to be a starter in this league. He deserves a shot and we all know it will happen sooner than later.
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So what’s the big deal? Dude just wants to play. Honestly, do you really want to have someone on the team that doesn’t want to get on the ice? JR?
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@Cav Pilot,
Are you kiddin’?
@Jeff_R would be on the ice faster than a birdy can tweet!
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http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2012-07-12/cam-janssen-interview-homophobia-you-can-play-project-nj-devils-la-kings
So now we’re the fat broad Cam Jenssen regrets effing, uh?
Sound to me like it’s the fat broad that effed Cam Jenssen’s entire team with a strap-on the size of southern California. What a turd!
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
@Gustavo, make sure that gal lifts with her knees after strapping on something of that size…
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Stuart Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
@Gustavo, wow… I would expect something like this out of Avery. This pretty much sums up Sham: It should also be noted that Janssen, 28, has made most of his living by getting punched in the head. LOL
He and Raffi must be bowling buddies.
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Kenny44 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
@Stuart,
Do they bowl with each others’ heads?
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TheAcaciaStrain Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
@Stuart, Avery actually came out supporting gay marriage a while back.
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variable Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
@Gustavo,
yeah…he’s an idiot for what he says and a complete waste of intellectual time to address what he said, as well…
but…
who the hell cares in this world what cam jenssen thinks other than his parents…?!
hehe….he outed himself but into a closet of another silk…i mean ilk….:)
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
@variable,
It’s good to see that no intellectual time continues to be expended on this subject. Heh heh.
Further, did anyone notice Janssen’s jousting partner in the photo in that link?
None other than brand new New Jersey hero, Kris Barch, he of the expletive ridden racial slur on PK Subban when he was playing at Florida last season which earned him a paltry one match suspension ’cause Shanny doesn’t read lips.
In any case, no coincidence that these guys would end up partners in crime at the dirty ‘Devils’!
(So, how intellectual was that?)
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variable Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
@Duncanz,
more like somewhat humorous, sad irony that those guys will eventually get their own reality show…only this one, won’t be televised….
Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
@variable,
So ‘The Devilution’ will not be televised?
Summertime schmoozing with the Quebecois journos, what do you guys expect? Until I hear him say it here, I chalk it up to mistranslation / playing along and making nice with his peeps while they fete him.
Journo: You were zee 1st round draft pick, non? You won zee Quebec Major Junior Hockey League championship, non? You have represented Team Canada, non? Why should you suffer behind zee Americain? You are a superior Quebecois gardien de but, n’est ce pas? Zee Coyotes relocate to Quebec and you must be traded to them, non?
JB: Quelquefois, je medite . . .
Journo: Mais oui, but of course.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
@Kenois44,
* “Zem”, non?
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Kenny44 Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
@Duncanz,
Mon dieu! Stet, dammit!
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
@Kenois44,
Je suis desole, aucune infraction!
Gustavo Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
@Kenny44,
Merde! je ne comprempa, lol
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TheAcaciaStrain Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
@Kenny44, hahahaa that was really funny dude
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we are lacking a first rounder this season so it wouldnt be a horrible idea to just try and get one
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If you understand French, the original video is here: http://tvasports.ca/tvasports/hockey/archives/2012/07/20120712-132152.html
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Go Kings Go!
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I don’t think Bernier is worth much in a trade because the Kings haven’t showcased his abilities.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
@Steve, Correct.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
@Steve,
There is tape of his 40 NHL games. I’m sure any nhl team interested in a goalie, is capable of evaluating him through them. He’s worth a 1st round pick.
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Kings Win, Ducks Lose Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
@Gustavo, Just so happens that the Kings don’t have a first rounder of their own next June…
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Gustavo Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose,
First round pick to the Kings for Bernier, is what I meant.
I would prefer to see Bernie get more playing time with LAK than to see him get traded. Something is bound to happen to Quick, and when/if it does we’ll need a solid goalie to step up and in to fill some pretty big shoes (skates, actually). I say give the kid at least 1/3 of the games to start and let’s see what happens…if he flounders, then trade him or send him to Manchester. Trading him now without having a bonafide back-up to Quick would be a huge set-back for the Kings.
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Stop hating J. Bernier, he wants to play more. why suddenly there are some idiots here talking trash about Berinier. It’s just natural that he wants to go toa team that will give him more playing time.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
@jake1000,
Perspectives? Don’t talk to me about Perspective! Are you kidding me? Perspective?
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Bernier for Selanne!
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well…
i think dl will be looking to get at least these three things if he decides on any trade with any team…meaning: this will be his minimum demand, imo…:
1. a top 6-9 player who can be an asset and is at the prime of their career…
2. a first-round pick…maybe a couple of second rounders, if the player is a top 6, ready to make an impact asap, i can see dean going for few second rounders plus if he thought it would be for the right player…
3. a bonafide top prospect at any position…preferably a goalie or a rw….
the other thing dl could be thinking of is a sign-and-trade deal…think about it, it could give leverage to the kings in the sense of length of term for bernier and getting something equally or more expensive in return…
bernier is a nice guy…and a helluva goalie…he’s just young, hungry to play and get paid – that’s what i would expect from any top-level player….he’s competitive by nature…so his immaturity sometimes comes out…we don’t know the context in how the questions were asked/answered either…but he’s a hockey player…so there’s a 98% reason to think he’s cool off the ice….
i still agree with everyone else and RICH on the topic of dl and the kings will do what’s in their best interest – period…(!)
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@variable, I agree with you if you are saying any one of your three choices; if you are saying all three, then that’s not realistic. JB is worth a mid-round 1st round pick in next year’s draft and that’s it. I don’t think realistically that we are going to get more. I mean, seriously, if we had a top five pick next year, would you want to spend it on JB?
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variable Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
@BringbackButchGoring,
actually, i do think dl is gonna want at least two of my choices, if not all of them…
…and i think it is a realistic return…everybody in hockey thinks jb is destined for greatness…well, if that’s true, yr gonna pay the price…
look what nashville got for lindback…
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=637402
AND he was picked in the 7th round (207 overall)in 2008
i think bernier will command some sort of combo or all of what i proposed because that appears to be the market for a first-round (11th overall) in 2006…
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
@variable, I respect your opinion but think you are probably going to be disappointed. Under one of your scenarios, you have us getting a top 6, two second rounders and a top prospect. A top six to us would be someone that would replace Penner since he is argubly our worst top six player. Penner’s scored 30 goals three times in his career so that would have to be a pretty significant player. Then we get two second rounders and a top prospect? If that’s really what DL is thinking then JB is going to be a King for a while longer IMO.
BringBackButchGoring Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
@variable, Also, I’m not sure it matters where Bernier was drafted or we could command even more for Hickey…
variable Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
@BringBackButchGoring,
that would be the whole point – to get a 20+ goal scorer for the third line…
AND still keep penner…if you look back to the teams that won multiple championships, they all had if not the strongest top 9 in the league, one of the better ones….i like our top 9 – don’t get me wrong…
but the point of any deal is to get the best player in the trade…i’m thinking dl takes advantage of this fact…would jb be the best player involved in any of the deals…?…we don’t know that yet, obviously…
there are future payroll considerations that would affect any type of deal involving jb to consider, as well…
i just think dl is going to be asking for a lot…he might not get it, but he will try at first and then go backwards if the market dictates that route….
variable Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
@BringBackButchGoring,
re: draft placement…
it does matter…absolutely….that’s one of the aspects of how gm’s look at trades…so even though hickey probably shouldn’t have been picked so high in that year’s draft, he still will command more value since he was a first round pick…that’s just the way it is…of course, a player can fall so low from their original projection that a team is willing to get anything in return….but the trade market, especially involving players of jb’s age and career potential and him being the 11th overall pick (’06), will garner more in return than otherwise….
ChiTownKingsFan Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 12:35 am
@variable, He will get two, not a chance that the Kings will land all 3.
BringBackButchGoring Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 7:41 am
@variable, The draft is a crap shoot, basically looking at 18 year old kids and guessing their potential. Bernier will be analyzed for what he’s accomplished in the six years after the draft and and his worth judged accordingly. I guess subconsciously he might be overrated (and therefore we might get more) because he was a 1st rounder but I doubt many GM’s are looking to pay more than a player’s actual value because he was a former 1st rounder.
The guy could be a great goalie…but he will never find that out sitting on the bench…He is an awesome insurance policy if JQ were to get hurt, but if he wants to start he will welcome a trade…this is the first I have heard of it from him and i am sure the ball starts to roll
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Some are too quick to bash on Bernier. These guys train their whole lives to make the NHL,and in his case, I highly doubt he trained to aspire to be a back up goalie. No one trains aspiring to be a back up. Some people don’t realize how hard it is for a player to keep going to practice, keep training, and not get to play. Players love to play. If he indeed is hoping to be traded, in order to play the sport he loves and has trained so hard for… Then more power to him. Not so certain that this will happen this coming season, but I guess we will all have to wait and see.
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I want a 1972 Ford Pinto Wagon with 20inch rims, and Bernier, dont let the door hit you in the arse. jk GO KINGS GO!
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Don’t see a better spot for him than new jersey
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
July 12th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
@Ashykon, I would say NJ or Colorado would be good fits. Better to sit two years in NJ than 10 in LA. He would immediately contend in Colorado, though, since Giguere is so inconsistent. Perhaps if we throw in Hickey and another prospect/player we could snag one of Colorado’s young studs, preferably Landeskog but more realistically O’Reilly. How strong would we be with Kopi, Richards and O’Reilly down the middle? That would be sick.
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Ashykon Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 1:04 am
@BringBackButchGoring, The thing is is that if he does go to nj he will probably split time with Marty and probably play 41 or 50 games. It is the perfect place with the most possible veteran backup. I could honestly see a bernier, loktionov for Henrique and hedberg. Colorado has varlomov
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 7:31 am
@Ashykon, Nobody will split time with Marty ever. He’s too good and he has too strong a personality to go along with that. Colorado has Varlomov but he was dreadful last year and ended up losing his job to Giguere. That is why they need Bernier. Actually they need defenseman also, so we could probably throw in Hickey and Muzzin with JB. Nobody wants Loki, not even us. You really think Lamoriello will trade us Henrique and Hedberg for a 2nd string goalie and a scrub? That’s crazy. JB is a second string goalie that has potential. That’s it.
If he don’t get traded soon he’s going to go all Tonya Harding… and I wouldn’t blame him. Free Bernier!
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He’s a good guy but he didn’t need to release a statement like that until his contract is up .
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23 is still young for a goalie. Schnieder had to wait a tremendous amount of time before getting the starting job in Vancouver. Just because he was drafted high doesn’t give him an entitlement to a starter job. Kings wont deal Bernier before training camp because Bernier’s stock needs to increase. I’d start Bernier at least 20-25 games this season and see how he fares. If all goes well perhaps the blackhawks, jackets or lightening will make an offer that Lombardi considers sufficient.
You can’t blame the effort though. Bernier knows that if he wants to make a starter’s salary next year he needs to prove himself as a #1 goalie. He sure won’t get the opportunity to do that on the kings so he wants to be traded and resigned by team X to a multimillion contract. It’s just good business.
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Rich, this was pretty good you going on Bernier. What Bernier is doing – he is playing Canadien card with the intent to mount pressure on Lombardi. And not, this is no “natural” for a player to wnat to be #1 at expense of team success. Bernier play did not allow Quick to get a single game break during play off. He was a goalie on CAN Junior Team and this is always gets star attention in CAN. The issue is the CAN National Team lacks young goaltenders comparable to other countries, which is UNHEARD in CAN. This is why they want him to play. This is CAN vs NHL and Kings. As always…
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 8:06 am
@Alberto, Or perhaps, JB has heard from his agent that Toronto is interested in him and that would put him 500 miles or so from his hometown? Also, it was Quick’s play that did not let Bernier get into a playoff game, not vice versa. Who would change a goalie that won 11 of his first 12 games. Not DS, that’s for sure.
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Leave it to a writer from Vancouver to find a reason to bash Bernier:
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/quick+leave/6928709/story.html
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Gustavo Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 8:16 am
@PaulHB,
Considering it was written in Vancouver, I don’t see any Bernier bashing whatsoever in this article. Justified criticism, sure. Our own Mr. Rich Hammond wasn’t any kinder to JB than this writer.
He hits it square in the middle when he uses the Cory Schneider analogy as to how a young goalie needs and deserves to be brought along to develop his skills to the highest possible level.
Like I said earlier, JB isn’t cooked yet, he has much to learn. Don’t be a school dropout, JB!
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Jonathan ask a trade since 6 months. He dont play and the money is not important for him. We wants only one thing PLAY PLAY PLAY. He burned the american league,the best goaler and he play at the star game. he helped Manchester monarchs to play in semi final.Please get a chance to him. Sorry for my english, i live in Québec
Richard Despaties
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TheAcaciaStrain Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 9:26 am
@despaties, he hasn’t earned a starting role yet, his numbers are run of the mill at best. Cory schneider of the canucks has earned a starting role, bernier hasn’t proven himself to put up good numbers with any level of consistency what so ever.
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despaties Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 9:43 am
@TheAcaciaStrain, Quick is very good but the systems of the kings gave to Quick a big défensive. Same thing with Smith at Phoenix. When he play at Tampa Bay he have a big average for a goaler. At Phoenix his average is one of the best of the league. Ask to Hextall or Ranford the talent JB.
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AZ King Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 10:25 am
@despaties,
You make an interesting argument, however I don’t think you’re giving Quick enough credit for the season he had.
AZ King Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 10:20 am
@despaties,
Jason Labarbera was an elite AHL goalie also, and well…we know how that has worked out. Not saying that Bernier and Babs are the same type of player, but success in the AHL does not guarantee success in the NHL.
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Rich,
Run a contest with the highest bidder getting a chance to attend a cup party. You can use the procceds for a down payment on that Porche you want.
I am sure some folks with big bank rolls will bid it pretty high.
I know we may be infringing into some grey areas as it realtes to journalistic integrity, but what the hell, you deserve it.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
July 13th, 2012 at 10:29 am
@KYerky, “some” areas? Lol. BTW I think they’re black and white, not grey…..
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If the rumor is true we almost got Patrick Sharp at the deadline for Bernier, would it be feasible to
suggest, Bernier to the Hawks for Patrick Kane now? Would you consider Sharp and Kane to be of similiar value? Kane seems to have fallen out of favor in CHI Town after the Wisconsin incident.
I read that the Canadiens are also looking at Bernier or have an interest in Kane for PK SUbban.
Is there anyway to work a 3 way deal out of this. Bernier to the Habs, Subban to the Hawks, Kane
to the Kings????
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Kinda hard dilmna for both…kinda like the Nash fiasco although not so grandiose. What can we possibly get for Bernier that will make this team better??!! I’m sure with Bernier we can trade for somebody, but that somebody will be equal to somebody we already have in our linup or in the Monarchs, AND many goalies who will be ask to come here knows he is here for ONE reason—to sit on his ARSE behind Quick.
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Can’t say I blame him. His hemroids are probably killing him. Hold out for something good for him! Bernier + stoll for Nashty
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Wasabi Reply:
July 17th, 2012 at 11:12 am
@scottthekingsfan, Add a pick going to Columbus, and I’d pull the trigger.
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Time to think counter-intuitively. Let’s trade Quick for Rick Nash and their No. 1 goalie. Bernier can then become our No. 1 and the Columbus No.1 becomes our No. 2 goalie. This would balance out with added offense complimenting an already stingy defense, which I feel would make just about any goalie look good. Look out, Deano, I’m going be the next Kings GM! (NOT!)
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