Words mean things, and when the Kings call their summer get-together a “development camp,’’ that’s exactly what they mean. It’s not merely a prospects camp or a rookie camp. The emphasis is on individual development, rather than competition or putting on a show for fans. The hours are long for the coaches and staff, but the reward is in watching the young players improve from year to year. Tyler Toffoli is turning into the latest example. Toffoli arrived in the Kings’ organization two years ago, as a second-round draft pick, and was well-regarded for his offensive instincts but lacked a good skating stride and wasn’t in good shape.
Two years later, Toffoli has made big strides. Coaches like his skill, but what they like more is the fact that Toffoli, while still playing junior hockey, has started to approach the game like a pro. His conditioning and all-around game have improved greatly, to the point that the Kings seriously considered the possibility of playing Toffoli in the playoffs. Heading into next season, with the NHL roster presumably returning intact, it will be tough for Toffoli to crack the roster, but it certainly won’t hurt him, at age 20, to spend a year at the AHL level. Of course, like every prospect, Toffoli has his sights set on the NHL. Toffoli talked about his development and his experience at camp this summer…
TOFFOLI: “I feel really good out there. Obviously there’s still a ways to go, but I’m working hard and I’ve really been trying to work on the things I need improvement on. I feel like I’ve come a long way from two years ago, and I just want to keep getting better.’’
Question: Now being part of a Stanley Cup-championship organization, does it make things even more exciting in any way?
TOFFOLI: “It’s incredible. I’m having so much fun. It’s hard work, and I just want to keep getting better and hopefully one day play for the Kings.’’
Question: The Kings’ roster is pretty much returning intact, but they also think highly of you. What’s your attitude heading into training camp?
TOFFOLI: “I’m just going to come in and work as hard as I can, and show them that I don’t want to play in the American league. Hopefully I don’t really give them that option, but I’m just going to work as hard as I can. My goal is to play in the NHL, and hopefully one day I can do that.’’
Question: What, in particular, are you working on trying to improve?
TOFFOLI: “My first couple strides. Obviously it’s always been my knock, and everybody talks about it, but I think I’m definitely getting a lot better than where I was. I’m just going to keep working on it this summer, and get stronger and get faster.’’
I like this kid.
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Alex Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
@Marty’s Knuckles, Hope the Kings hold on to this kid.He is going to be a very good hockey player. He is got all the talent in the world to be first or second line winger.
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mcdangles Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Alex, going to tell ya this. Toffoli is the future player that the Kings have been lacking as in scoring for them. He is smart on the ice, find others around him, makes great plays, never gives up, has a knack of getting to the net and once is in that key perimeter of putting it in the net, this kid can do it. H
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mcdangles Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@Alex, going to tell ya this. Toffoli is the future player that the Kings have been needing as in scoring for them. He is smart on the ice, find others around him, makes great plays, never gives up, has a knack of getting to the net and once is in that key perimeter of putting it in the net, this kid can do it. Another player that I know the coaching staff have really been impressed with is Andreoff. He is a total different type of player than Toffoli. He can score, gritty, tough, comes to the aid of his fellow team mates when needed, can hit, driven, never gives up in the corners or openb ice, always waqnts the puck and so far in the last 2 yrs of rookie camps and last years main camp he has shown all that I have mentioned. He brings to the game a different roll, and it works. Ya got to have all the different ingredients to make a team work on all cylinders
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Kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
@mcdangles,
Can’t wait to see them together in the NHL one day
Puckn-A Reply:
July 11th, 2012 at 9:55 am
@mcdangles, When I was at dev camp on Friday, Linden Vey was by far the most impressive Forward IMHO. Toffoli,Pearson,Dowd & Andreoff were also very good.
kb Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
@Marty’s Knuckles, agree! this kid is Sick!! hope he makes the team
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I am sorry son to inform you, but skating fast and not cherry picking is essential in the NHL. You need to fix these things, or you will be out of hockey before you know it!
Best Wishes, Luc Robitaille. President, Business opreations, 2012 Stanley Cup Champion Los Angeles Kings Hockey Club.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
@puck73, This is why I laugh when they say a players biggest knock is his skating and it will keep them from making the NHL, or becoming a top player. It be really cool for Tyler to show all those so called experts by becoming the next Robitaille. Now I am not saying he will be the next Luc so don’t go commenting that.
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Michael J. Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am
@Jeff_R,
I’d be fine with that
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Josh Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am
@Jeff_R,
Tyler’s skating has progressed way more then where Luc was at 20….His skating really isnt that mad anymore…Its just not world-class like his shot and offensive instincts.
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puck73 Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am
@Josh, Agreed. Also, if you remember, Brett Hull was not that fast, and in fact was considered a lazy practice player by Terry Crisp in Calgary. Tell ya what, Robitaille and Hull may not have been that fast, but they sure knew how to find the back of the net!
Stuart Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
@puck73, but can they backcheck? IIRC both the players you mentioned weren’t ever honorable mentions in the Selke conversations at any points in their illustrious careers
I don’t think you can be a below-average skater and make this team, or the league, anymore… well, maybe on the Isle or in TB.
Just sayin…
Alex Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@Josh, Tofolli sure know how to find the back of the net. just been checking his numbers anf they are impressive. Yes they are in the minors but thats were they all begin. And his numbers in the minors as impressive as Stamkos, Crosbys…..This kid needs to be given a chance like Luc or Hull did.
mcdangles Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@Josh, Funny, Hull and Robitaille both won Stanley Cups and both are in the HHOF. Funny how their lack of skating got them both all the success the achieved in their careers in the NHL
Osaka Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
@Jeff_R, But how many thousands of guys who didn’t make the NHL because of their skating. You name Luc but he is an anomaly not the norm. The thousands that don’t make it because of their skating is the norm. Good for Luc for making it! That is what makes his success so special.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
@Osaka,
Dead right.
If you’re a scout you’re automatically going to lower your ranking on a guy that can’t skate.
And rightfully.
How would BH & LR do in the new NHL, notch a few less and spend a lot of practice time learning to backcheck, I reckon.
luc20rules Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
@Osaka, Good point, but what I don’t understand is why teams don’t have guys like this on the 4th line? Maybe not the Kings as they give the 4th line minutes, but teams that carry a goon and only play the 4th line 6 mins a game. Luc made his living on the PP. Was he affective 5 on 5, yes. But he did a ton of damage on the PP. Its odd to me how a goal scorer has to be able to skate, but somehow a goon doesn’t. Who skates better probably even today this minute 46 year old Luc or Ivanans/Westgarth?
luc20rules Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
@Osaka, Toffoli may be able to fit in I would say he is quicker & faster than Penner. If you put 2 faster players on his line and he knows how to position himself and take the right angles he can play. Luc, Penner, and Hull proved that. That said, its something that you need to learn to compansate for it a matter of whether he has hockey sense/instincts to make it work.
mcdangles Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@puck73, ya don’t throw away a gifted player if he knows how to get to the net and once there, that red light behind the goalie goes ON! If the Kings don’t give him a chance to show his stuff in a regular season game, and he ends up on trading blocks, guarantee you a team that picks him up will be a very happy one. Did the Kings not say, all season long last year, they need scoring? Well, they have that in Toffoli
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Alex Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@mcdangles, 100% Agree.
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tim chaney Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@Alex, toffoli’s going nowhere… he’s stuck for the next 15 years…
fuzzerson Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
@puck73, DL always says that skating will get better as a player matures, so not drafting someone because of a skating flaw is a mistake.
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kb Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
@puck73, IF that were true then Ilia kovalchuk wouldn’t be in the NHL
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I’ve been a big proponent of the Kings adding Doan to the roster, but if the numbers I read on the radio guy in Phx’s (john Gambadoro) Twitter feed are anywhere close to accurate, Doan is seeking 4/5 years at 6 mil per. Yikes. That is too long and too expensive.
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TheDryer5 Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
@Klong,
Anyone willing to pay that deserves that terrible cap hit for a 40 year old. He’s not going to get a fat raise over his last contract with declining numbers. $5mil would be an overpayment. Max I would want the Kings to offer is 2 years at $4mil/yr. Coyotes have to hit the cap floor, so I could see them giving him 4 years to make sure he retires in Phoenix and offering him more cash than other teams. He’s worth more to Phoenix than he is anywhere else. I would be completely shocked if any of the rumored teams other than Phoenix gave him a 4 year deal.
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I really hope Tyler takes his game to the next level in Manchester this year. Hopefully he will have a great camp and make a splash in some pre-season games. I think, because of his size, he’s got a much better chance of being an NHL player than Vey, Kozun, or Moller.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
@Michael J., Even though I know he most likely will go down to the AHL, would love for him to make the team out of camp. This especially if we end up signing nobody, like say Shane Doan.
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Josh Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
@Michael J.,
I dont get why people think Vey is undersized? He’s not 5’9 or even 5’10…Hes 6’0
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am
@Josh, The way the rules are since the lockout smaller players have thrived. Don’t discount players these days just because they are of smaller stature. Whether or not they make the Kings I will hope that they get their shot at stardom. This also goes for Michael J.
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Michael J. Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@Jeff_R,
You hope I get my shot at stardom?
Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:11 am
@Michael J, Ok I hope for you too Michael
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luc20rules Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
@Jeff_R, The way the Kings muscled their way to be Stanley Cup Champs may hurt the give small guys a shot trend. The Kings pounded and just physically dominated teams, but it wasn’t just size it was speed as well. The Kings in the playoffs just looked more focused and were quicker making decisions then their opponents.
Doan? Fine. Just don’t overpay.
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Alex Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@goldielocks, 2 years 3 to 3.5 mil per?
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goldielocks Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@Alex,
Sounds good to me.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am
@goldielocks, He might be looking more for 3-4 years. Although since we haven’t heard a peep from him don’t know for sure.
Canadian King Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
@Alex, Hahaha that wont get you Doan, he will be signing for 2-3 years at about $4.5-5 mill per, and yes he is worth every penny.
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LA_1968 Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@goldielocks, Did they already do that vote Doan is waiting for?
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goldielocks Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@LA_1968,
Yeah, that’s what I want to know.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@goldielocks, I still don’t see why we need Doan……..we have all the talent from previous year’s draft and yet we bring another veteran to the already long list of them?
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KindSir Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
@rogiesbackup, Because can you imagine being an opponent and having to play against both Shane Doan and Dustin Brown on the same team? That would be hell.
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Light it up like a mad man in training camp!
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fuzzerson Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
@Mars, 420?
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Hello, you have reached the voicemail for Dean Lombardi, general manager of the STANLEY CUP CHAMPION Los Angeles Kings Hockey Club. Sorry I can’t take your call right now since I am busy setting up my day with the Cup, but please follow the prompts or leave a message. If this is Shane Doan, please press “1″ to hear our latest offer, which includes a required apology to the best team captain in hockey, Dustin Brown. If you were on a date with Drew Doughty and are calling to file a complaint, please press “2″ and leave your name and contact information so the legal department can contact you. Please be prepared for a long wait to leave your information as line “2″ is very busy. Phil, if you are calling about a problem with the Cup, the only thing I can say is please don’t write your book until I retire. If this is Peggy from the credit card company, I paid the damn bill in Vegas and you know it is true since our odds to win the Cup were 28-1. If this is the banner company, please press “3″ for the design details. Just remember, “bigger” is better. If this is DS, congrats on your kid getting married and his gift is on the NHL.com registry. Yep, I got them a miniature Cup with their names and marriage date on it. Pretty classy , huh? If this is Rich Hammond, yes, you are approved for whatever you want since we wouldn’t have won the Cup without the input of your bloggers, even though they seem to be mentally imbalanced and way to preoccupied with hockey minutia. Everyone else, please leave a message and I will get back to you . Oh, by the way, just a reminder to the NHL Network that the Cup now belongs to the Los Angeles Kings and you should start updating that old, tired Boston programming. Ciao!
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Sammuch Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:19 am
@DesertKing,
For all thinking Desertking is back to normal now press zero! 00000000000000…
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7MILforHickey Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@Sammuch, seriously about the nhl network thing. how many times do they have to show chara with the cup before they can get over it?
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LA_1968 Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@DesertKing, “If you’re a GM from a team with no Cups please press ZERO.”
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DesertKing Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@LA_1968,
Very funny!
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Crown city simtom Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@DesertKing, Love it
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So rich posted on twitter we’re the first team to make an offer to doan
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Stuart Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
@Meister könig, solid! I hope he considers it, seeing on how he wants to win a cup and all.
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mcdangles Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
@Meister könig, I say do not go after Doan. He is an older player, the team is basically the same as from coming off their season and Stanley Cup WIN. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, right? Save the $$$$, let players that are in camp get a shot of making this team, Toffoli, Andreoff, and so on.
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PRMan Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:02 am
@mcdangles, It’s brilliant to bring in a guy who’s waited his whole career for the Cup. If the players even think about getting lazy because they won it last season, one look at Doan will bring out the fire.
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paige Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@PRMan, i never thought of that. it’s a good point.
Canadian King Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
@PRMan, Agreed, that is what I have been saying about getting Doan as well. It is soooo hard to repeat in the NHL and players that do win it tend to get complacent the following year, so bringing in some fresh players can only be good, especially if the guy is 35 yrs old and never won a cup. Players love winning for guys like Doan, see Bourque and the Avs.
mcdangles Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
@PRMan, . Why would they want to sign Doan if they have basically the same team as last season and won the cup with it? Doan will not be with the Kings, his antics at the last game they LOST to the Kings still sets clear as well. Kings are keeping the team just the way it, with maybe a few exemptions of one of the young bucks having a amazing training camp (Toffoli) they are going to pass on Doan and groom their talented draft picks and give them a shot at the opening roster
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@mcdangles, EXACTLY!!
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@Meister könig, Rich didn’t exactly say it. He retweeted John Gambadoro who said it. Not exactly sure who he is. I really do feel he will sign with tje Kings if he leaves Phoenix. Close to home and only team within earshot of Phoenix that is Cup contending the next 2-4 years.
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SCVKing Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:20 am
@Meister könig,
I am not a fan of getting Doan. I understand he is talented and may even help the team. My problem is that the last two years, he has been pretty much of a D-Bag. A couple suspensions and some other antics have left me feeling I don’t want him in a Kings jersey.
I don’t agree with giving players a pass on bad behavior by using the “he is such a competitor” excuse. Plenty of players are able to play with a tremendous competitive spirit without acting like jerks.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
@SCVKing, Yes, Doan can be a liability with his cheap shots. We might be on the PK alot more often, especially since now the refs knowledge of his antics in the playoffs.
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What about the Kings going after Morrow? He seems to have contracted the injury bug the last few years, but he’s got a ton of grit, too…
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@Stuart, I still can’t figure out what the heck the Stars are up too. Not sure what we would have to give up to get Morrow, rather have Doan.
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Alex Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:04 am
@Stuart, Hope not. If Doan will not sign than go with what we’ve got which is not bad at all and let some young stud to crack the line up.
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mcdangles Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@Alex, well said Alex, well said indeed
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Canadian King Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
@Stuart, I say no to Morrow and yes to Doan. Don’t get me wrong I would love to have Morrow but the asking price is a top 4 d man. With his age and injury history I would not give the Stars that for him.
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Right now I would take Kozun over Toffoli. Toffoli is to slow but his size makes him a better fit for the Kings…Kozun is really quick with a ridiculously accurate shot and a high hockey IQ. He gets bumped off the puck in the corners sometimes but if he has room he is as dangerous as WIlliams with gerat vision.
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Jim Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@FoKus,
Finally another individual who has some sort of idea. You talk to people who know hockey, “hockey minds”, and they like Kozun. I am a Hitmen Season Ticket Holder, and hes been one of the best players who has ever come through our system. If you know anything about Canadian Junior Hockey, thats quite an achievement as the Hitmen are a world class franchise. I have been following his career from afar since he left town, but this kid is the real deal. I think he just needs the opportunity and coaches who believe in him, and he will be become a fan favorite. He plays like a player whos 6’3, battles in the corners, has a wicked shot, and above average hockey IQ. He has to much talent to not play in the NHL, be that in LA or someplace else.
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Slightly off topic. Is the rumour true that DL is taking the Cup to the EL Cid Lounge in Ludlow, Mass?
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:16 am
@Crown Royal, Penner gets another year before he joins the softball team.
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Cortex949 Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@Crown Royal, No, it’s penner. He wants to show it to his other team
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I say YES on doan, -for the position of Brown’s personal Towel Boy.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:17 am
@jess, I feel that the teams and players have gotten past all that stuff after game 5. Seems it is just some fams that have a problem with it. I doubt the players still do.
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jess Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@Jeff_R,
Well, I would hope the players are over it, they are professionals. I as a fan am not yet, but that is because my one of my favorite things about playoff hockey is the handshake line, and IMO, he tainted it. I’ll get over it someday. If doan say, -scores 60 goals in a kings sweater, I promise you I will start to forget pretty fast
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@jess, Is that 60 goals in say the 3 year deal he signs, or 60 this year? If it is this year then imsee where u are goin with this. How about if he comes and the Kings win the Cup and Dustin passes it first to Shan? How about then?
jess Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@Jeff_R,
We are getting into some heavy compounded what-if’s but, I leave it up to Kings management to make the correct call. My only concern might be whether the move improves or disrupts chemistry. We have a cup winning club right now as it stands, not sure I would be so inclined to tinker with chemistry. But DL and Sutter know better than I do.
DesertKing Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
@jess,
That would be great, because then we could call him “Snappy.”
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Kenny44 Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@DesertKing,
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Kenny44 Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@DesertKing,
[Please forgive the user error above]
“Snappy” – that’s awesome! I’m going to call him that from now on, whether we sign him or not:)
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Duncanz Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
@DesertKing,
I’m Jerry S. and I approve of this nickname!
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Crown city simtom Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
@jess, Hahahahahah +1
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I find all the talk about “bad blood” between Doan and the Kings to be kind of funny. I recall a game in the 2010-2011 season between the Flyers and the Kings. It was a very feisty game. Richards (at that point still on the Flyers) was particularly chippy, and got into it in a big way with Bernier, who was in goal. Obviously was long forgotten and forgiven by the time Richards joined the Kings. These guys play an emotional, demanding sport. Stuff happens. I cannot fathom that the King players would do anything other than welcome Doan with open arms if he ended up here. They are all about winning – he would make it that much easier for a repeat.
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SCVKing Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@rick,
Completely different situations.
Richards’ was a case of gamesmanship and being the edgy player that he is.
Doans’ was him being a baby and a cheapshot, which he seems to be more and more the last couple of years.
During the LA-Philly game you referred to, I was envious that Philly had Richards. I hardly felt that way about Doan.
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This kid is going to be a beauty, all he needs to do is continue to work hard and play a year in the AHL to get used to the physicality of pro hockey. Then this time next year Penner and Gagne will come off the roster and he will be given the chance to crack the roster then. Keep up the hard work and constinue have patience, you will get there (unlike Moller and Holloway).
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
@Canadian King, Well, if you remember in the early part of the season Gagne was scoring at a rate of every other game. For the months he’s been away he almost scored a couple goals during the SCF and don’t forget he was playing in the forth-line. Gagne is still capable of scoring thirty especially now with DS. I wouldn’t count him out just yet.
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Canadian King Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@rogiesbackup, Don’t get me wrong I like Gagne and I never question his capapbilities on the ice. I do however question his durability and health going forward beyond next year. It wouldn’t be very smart to extend an injury riddled Gagne if Toffoli is ready for the NHL after 1 full year in the AHL.
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Go Kings Go!
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I wouldn’t mind see Toffoli on the third line Rw with King and Stoll. Make the fourth line be Clifford Fraser Lewis/westy/Nolan. I would like trade Richardson for any draft pick. Don’t want pay him million dollars for the 4th line.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
@Downys89, Having said that, I would pressure the fourth line to score goals and NOT just be checking line.
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Let’s be honest, it’s a long year and injuries will happen to every team…. Especially since every team will be gunning at us now. He’ll get a shot to make an impression at some point.
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Kings have many spots filled already and have an abundance of depth players too. The best place for Tyler would be the AHL so he can play 20 minutes a games,hone his skills and keep on scoring. The Kings need him to be a scorer when his time comes.But you never know he might just come in and knock the staff’s socks off and force them to keep him! Good Luck to Toffoli whether that be in Los Angeles or Manchester in 2012 and beyond!!!
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Toffoli will make the team no later than next season IMO.
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In a few years we could have a third line of:
Pearson/Prokhorkin Lokti Toffoli
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