A happy and safe 4th of July to all my American friends out there. Do you think, when he donated a championship cup in 1892, Lord Stanley of Preston one day thought that a representative from a team in Los Angeles would be taking it to Russia? The Stanley Cup — albeit not the original bowl — is in Russia for more celebrations. Today, at a hockey academy, the scoreboard was changed to reflect the Kings’ victory over the New Jersey Devils.
[Also, many sources are reporting that Zach Parise and Ryan Suter have signed with Minnesota. The Kings made an offer to Parise but didn't believe they were strong contenders in the end. Parise's deal is reportedly a 13-year contract worth an average of approximately $7.53 million.]
Nice! Enjoy your well earned time with the Cup back home Slava. You are a champion and a huge part of the Kings success, both current and future.
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Both Parise and Suter go to the Wild.
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Kenny D Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:25 am
@goldielocks, i just read that also…..wondering how true it is…..looking all over the computer for more info…where did you find it ?..HAPPY FORTH OF JULY TO ALL KINGS FANS
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goldielocks Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:26 am
@Kenny D,
Bob Mackenzie and Pierre LeBrun both reporting via twitter.
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goldielocks Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:28 am
@goldielocks,
98 million over 13 years for Parise.
goldielocks Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:31 am
@goldielocks,
And Suter gets the same deal.
Kenny D Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:32 am
@goldielocks, its all over the computer know……13 years deals…thanks for the info…what well Nashville do with Weber?…I think he we be traded before the season starts….wondering what does Rich thinks about all this?
goldielocks Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:33 am
@goldielocks,
And they just changed their franchise name to the Minnesota Heat.
Trip Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:34 am
@goldielocks, LOL
Shuchuk Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@goldielocks, TSN is all over it too, that’s a LOT of cash and a LOT of years.
EJ Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:50 am
@goldielocks, re: Parise, stupid deal for a non-center that doesn’t even average a point-per-game. I understand that he brings considerable intangibles, but I still think it’s a grotesque overpayment.
DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:50 am
@goldielocks, the day the Minnesota’s cap died.
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luc20rules Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:22 am
@DEH, At least trying to stay at the Cap minimum has died. They are one of the teams with a lot of young talent. I suppose they aren’t that concerned with keeping that group together. It maybe that they feel this is the time to make the next step, and doing it through Free Agency they don’t lose any assets, but the Cap will eventually get them if they don’t get it done in the next 3 years.
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deepsea_drumz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
@luc20rules, Don’t care what Minnesota. Can’t buy a Stanley Cup. Kings proved that with #99. It’s hard work and gritty players who don’t mind getting their hands dirty. GO KINGS!!!!
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
deapsea_drumz, Chicago did it…but as I predicted, it required a fire sale the next season.
Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@DEH, Ha ha, you would have loved it if that chosen Blackhawks!
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Shakes Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
@DEH, Bye bye minnesota got Zack…
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toemas_sandstrom Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:02 am
@goldielocks, Don’t these teams realize that you don’t have to spend through the roof to win the cup? Just have to get in to the dance! Hehe!!! Whats that Brian Burke quote about being at 8 seed? Never mind…
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luc20rules Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:02 am
@goldielocks, I wonder how many people that bashed my “Kovi, I mean Parise will make a false intent to sign then, sign a ridiculously overpaid & length contract.” comment think now.
Parise’s deal is reportedly a 13-year contract worth an average of approximately $7.53 million.
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Hadley Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
@luc20rules, Staples Center, as you know, batters us with painful artificial noise. We long for the days when an intelligent human — such as Joe Tripoli on the organ — had something to do with the arena sounds.
Were Tripoli still playing the organ for the Kings, he would slyly play the great Garth Brooks song, “Unanswered Prayers” whenever Ilya Kovalchuk came on the ice. Yes all Kings’ fans should thank the Almighty for not answering our prayer to bring Kovalchuk to Los Angeles.
The same will be true of Zach Parise. Parise is a fine young man and he is a credit to the game, but he is not worth $7 million per season. I do not wish to offend, but Zach put up some serious Minus numbers in the Final and, for the most part, he was owned by Anze Kopitar — someone who is worth $7 million. We should thank the Almighty for again not answering our prayers to bring Parise to Los Angeles.
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PRMan Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@Hadley, Amen.
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
@Hadley, On the other hand, there is no sense being 15 million below the salary cap. If they overpaid by a million a year, I’m sure the fine folks in Minnesota won’t hold that against them as they line up to buy season tickets.
TiN kNocKeR Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
@goldielocks, So what it takes a whole team to win a cup, not two players. Albiet two good players.
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awesome
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Happy 4th to New Jersey and Nashville!!!
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:47 am
@rick,
Not to mention @Jeff_R!
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JD Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@rick, I love it that NJ will not even sniff the Playoffs for a long time
Nice work with the kolvasuck contract
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We will still dominate those fools!! GKG!!!!
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deepsea_drumz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@Trip, YES!! Kings will shut them down when they play again.
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Wild players ecstatic. Heatley says he spoke with Suter 2 nights ago and swapped texts with Parise. Both asked: can we win. Answer: yes.
Yea … you can win the Northwest. Congrats to that.
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Jack Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@goldielocks, LOL…
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Parise and Sutter both deals have just over 7.5 million cap per year…know the rest off the FA well start to sign…..and here comes all the trades….perhaps Nash and Ryan…what all you kings fan think?
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Deader2818 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:41 am
@Kenny D,
I like our team how it is.
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Kenny D Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:49 am
@Deader2818, I like it to…i dont see DL makeing any major moves either…with Parise and Sutter both signed…lots off other FA and trades with other players could happen very soon
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:34 am
@Kenny D,
Doan said he won’t decide till the 9th. Presumably in wait of the city council vote decision. I think it has to do more with convincing his wife that the LA area does have good school (despite what Mrs Ryan Smyth says) and that the CA coastal humidity is good for her skin.
luc20rules Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am
@Deader2818, +1, all those people that want to add someone needs to ask themselves who would sit for the Kings. The only players on the Kings I don’t fully trust are Gagne(injuries) & Penner (Regular Season Intensity). With Gagne its not his fault, but injuries have plagued him, but who would trade for him could we really keep him as a 4th liner & would he be more effective in that role than Richy/Clifford/etc. With Penner he took a haircut to return to the Kings it would send a very bad message if we didn’t give him a shot in his current role.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:31 am
@luc20rules,
We only need Shane Doan and the extra 3% from everybody the DL talked about.
Gagne for picks and prospects. His health scares me.
Lokti and Drewiski if (Jake Muzzin does well this summer) for picks and prospects
PRMan Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@luc20rules, I would sit ANY 3rd or 4th liner and replace them with Doan. Stoll, King, Lewis becomes Stoll, King, Doan. How could you not want that?
Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:50 am
@Kenny D,
We only needs Shane Doan and we’ll bamboozle through the entire western conference again. But this time it starts in October, not March.
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am
@Kenny D, We add Doan for two years… that about the only move I think we make.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:54 am
@DEH,
He’ll ask three years, probably. Doubt it will be a deal breaker. No clauses and at a lower price, 3 years is still a good deal.
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:03 am
@Gustavo, I don’t think we do 3, our prospects will be ready to step in before the end of that contract. I honestly think this team is good as it is, all of our older player’s contracts are up around the time our younger prospects are expected to make it. By the time Scud’s contract is up Forbort will be ready, the only exception would be center. Our prospects have little chance at cracking the line up at Center, Lokti to KHL? I don’t think he’ll be too happy spending 2 more years in the AHL.
Kenny D Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:01 am
@DEH, perhaps that move for Doan at the most….I think they a vote in Glendale AR on July 9 to see what happens to the sale of team.Not quiet sure though?Does Rich have any info on it?
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@Kenny D, yeah, you don’t simply sign UFAs for 1 year, unless it’s a “prove me” contract. I honestly could care less if we get Doan, if we get him good, if we don’t we’ll be fine with the lineup and prospects we have.
vinny Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@DEH, if lokti could add 15 or 20 pounds of muscle, he would be great, i dont know why he’s already written off by so many
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Jim Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@vinny, Where would doan fit in our line up? I don’t think he will want a third line spot. And honestly I don’t think he would come to LA if his life depended on it…
DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@vinny, it’s not that he’s not NHL talent, he is, it’s that we have nowhere to put him on the NHL roster. Stoll and Fraser have those spaces locked up, are we going to keep him on the NHL roster and keep him on the bench? It’s not that he doesn’t have the talent, but we don’t have the space for him on the roster and if last offseason is any indication he won’t be willing to wait until one of those contracts expire.
vinny Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@DEH, ya thats probably true, still hoping he can gain some weight and earn a spot tho, cause hes definitely a great playmaker, no offense meant to the other guys, who do bring a lot to the team as well, like the shot blocking, hitting and faceoffs
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Love to see Minnesota land thee guys. A state that’s as hockey crazy as Minnesota deserves a good team. Especially after having the North Stars ripped away from them only to see them win a cup in Dallas six years later.
The best part is that now Kovi is pretty much on his own in NJ. Settle in nicely to that hole you dug, Ilya.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:52 am
@stagger,
LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!!!!!
Perhaps the LAK should send him and his wife some free tickets to Universal Studios, uh?
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Kenny D Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:54 am
@stagger, LOL..he well be by himself in the hole…has any one heard from NJ or Nashville front office about loseing Parise and Sutter?
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:15 am
@stagger,
Agree with that first part.
The Wild had an awesome streak during the first 1/3 of the season but burned out royally through lack of real depth.
The outlay here is a huge risk, however the reward to the fans is a chance at some greatness for the first time in forever.
They still seem a little light in some departments, but their story next season will be an intriguing one to follow.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
@Duncanz, My elation is that NOW we can say “good night” to the idea and concentrate on the team that we have, especially minus the Shone Dap sweepstakes. All Doap jerseys should hang from the rafters of Hell!!!!! Yes I said HELL
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mash-ola Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@stagger, And I’m happy that it’s not Detroit, Pittsburgh or Kings East!!!
Personally, it seems to make the Wild a stronger team, but I just don’t see them on paper being a Stanley Cup contender.
Parise will add some offense and excitement for sure, but what else do they have? Oft-injured Miko Koivu, ageing and playoff-disappearing Dany Heatly, solid winger Devon Setoguchi, diminutive Pierre-Marc Bouchard, Kyle Brodziak who had a great season I don’t know if he’ll be able to match, and role players like Erik Christianson, Matt Cullen, Darrell Powe, Chad Rau and Cal Clutterbuck. It just doesn’t seem that imposing. The goaltending is excellent with Niklas Backstrom, Josh Harding and Matt Hackett, but they were in and out of the lineup with injuries. And the defense is good and unheralded, but hardly elite, even with the signing of Suter…
I dunno. They’re a very good team, but not an elite team in my honest opinion…
Oh well…
WE WON THE CUP!
WE WON THE CUP!
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TA Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
@mash-ola, I totally agree with your thoughts. On paper the Wild are now a good team but not a elite or cup contender. Had Pittsburgh, or Flyers or the red wings landed them then we could be in some trouble. I was hoping that he would come to the Kings but if not the Wild were our best option.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@stagger, It seems like you’re still bitter about the Kovi deal…….after seeing him in the playoffs I’m sure glad he didn’t come here. To me he’s just another “good” player who has his moments. Injured??? yah right!!! He can’t handle “grit” hockey.
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PRMan Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
@stagger, I was hoping both goalies would leave IK too.
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I’m happy to see Parise land in Minnesota along with Sutter . Great State for hockey that can do really well . I think Parise earned that kinda money but for Sutter NOWAY IN HELL he is worth what they gave him .
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stagger Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:59 am
@Party time,
Yeah it was pretty much timing for Suter. It seems like guys get paid not on talent (Which Suter has plenty of. . ) but on where they rank among the other free agents at their position. Suter was the best free agent d-man this year, so he gets the big deal. If Weber had been up then HE gets this deal and Suter would probably get something in the 5 – 6 mil. range IMO.
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luc20rules Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:14 am
@Party time, Not that happy to see a Western Conference team land those 2 talented players, but at least Vancouver may have to earn a portion of 12 pts verse one of there division rivals. That should in theory give us a chance at the best Conference Record.
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PRMan Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@luc20rules, Especially with Dallas, Anaheim and Phoenix tanking with all their moves lately.
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:48 am
@Party time, I think just the opposite.
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7MILforHickey Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@KC23, seriously though, vancouver only gets the presidents cup every year because they have the wild, flames, and oilers in their division making it the easiest one in the league. it looks like thats going to change for them.
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Jon G Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
@7MILforHickey, I agree, but I also think this will make Vancouver better in the long run. They need to play more hard games during the regular season to get toughened up for the playoffs.
After Game 1 of the series against the Kings, one of their players started talking about the “adversity” they were facing. For anyone else a one-game deficit in the playoffs is nothing, but for Vancouver it started a panic.
Well, if it was very hard to make playoffs in west, what about now?
Dallas has probably taken a step back, but the Wild have to make it. The Ducks could be up there too. Colorado looks better. NONE of these teams were there last year. Eeeks…
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KingMe20 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am
@LA_1968,
I think San Jose is in danger of falling out of the playoffs, as is Phoenix.
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:10 am
@KingMe20, This off season shows that Phoenix is blowing it up and starting over. They are a little more than in danger of falling out of the playoffs. Expect Calgary and Minnesota to make some noise, man does the Wild’s cap distribution make us look like frugal spenders.
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Pesus Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am
@LA_1968,
Way too early to tell but unless the wings make some deals they for sure are older and worse off then last year. Phx is going backwards, sharks seem lost, chi has no D or goaltending. But like I said way to early, a couple of trades and everything could change.
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kluka68 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am
@LA_1968, If Shane will not sign with Coyotes , they will be not the same teeam next year
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:13 am
@kluka68, The Coyotes have already blown it up. The are not the same team regardless if Doan resigns, which is why he ultimately will not. I think he will sign a two or three year deal with a team he thinks will bring home the cup, then sign one final contract with Phoenix to retire.
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LA_1968 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@DEH, Agree that Phoenix won’t be as good as last year even with Doan. Everyone always leaves them out before the season but Tippet is damn good. So I’m not sure how much of a drop off there will be.
mash-ola Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@kluka68, If he doesn’t re-sign with Phoenix, I think Doan goes to either Detroit or Winnipeg…
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@mash-ola, Correct…Detroit is my guess too….anywhere but here…sorry
KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:53 am
@LA_1968, I’d say Phoenix is out of the playoffs along with Chicago. I think Detroit is clearly in rebuild mode. They’ll being making a huge push on Nash no doubt, but they’ll be up against the Rangers for Nash.
I love to see the Wild get some star quality. They are going to be much improved, but I doubt they’ll be at the level of the Kings and Vancouver.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@LA_1968, Inclined to agree with @KC23 here.
The Wild still really have holes to fill.
A lot will depend on the goaltending and the form of Dany Heatley, who at still only 31 must be licking his chops with anticipation Also Devin Setoguchi who had a pretty disappointing season in 2011/12.
If they could get off to the start they did last year with a suffocating defensive strategy they might just have something to build on.
At this stage I would still consider them somewhat of a (npi) wildcard.
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LA_1968 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@Duncanz, Yeah, wasn’t saying MIN would be the new prez trophy winner. Just that they will take up a lot of room in the bubble. When we have an off year in the standings it will come into play. We haven’t won a division since Gretzky so those spots are still big for us.
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Minnesota is certainly a much better team today than they were yesterday. I still don’t see them as serious contenders, though. Good but not great goaltending. One stud defenseman but others are pretty average. Good forward group, made much better with Parise, but not elite. Nashville is certainly weakened – which plays to the Kings advantage. And for karma points only, I have to admit that any team with Kovalchuk on it is a team I really dislike. Sorry New Jersey – at least you got Springsteen….
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wideleft Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am
@rick, i’ll LMAO when they don’t make the playoffs. One line doesn’t cut it. Way over paid.
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vinny Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:37 am
@wideleft, one line? dont think so…koivu, heatley, setoguchi, parise, cullen, granlund(probably), clutterbuck..pretty good
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@wideleft, couldn’t disagree more … they got two good lines now.
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7MILforHickey Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@KC23, yeah that grundland kid is going to be fantastic one day. there are videos of him doing the micigan and tornado during real tournaments and stuff pretty crazy
mash-ola Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@rick, I think the Wild have terrific goaltending. After their early season surge, the Wild starting dropping like a lead weight because they couldn’t score, just like the Kings. Injuries aside, the trio of Nick Backstrom, Josh Harding and young Matt Hackett gave the Wild a chance in every game. But I agree with you, Minnesota will be good, but not great. Their defense is not made for a long playoff run. They will falter.
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We shut Parise down for a whole series (except the goal scored on Quickies mistake).
You can have your State of hockey, we are the Kings of Hockey and the NHL baby!!!
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@King Cobra, Yeah, but Parise won’t have Kolvabucks messing things up.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@King Cobra, Ditto +1000
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Both deals are worth $98 million over 13 years, carrying an average annual value of $7.538 million, are you kidding me? So much money for two players, and if you count Heatley for 3. Can you win, i still doubt you can win Wild, maybe your division, but not SC.
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BluLiner Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:17 am
@kluka68, With Konopka and Kassian, and with Koivu and Heatley, the Wild will be mean and talented!
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mash-ola Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am
@BluLiner, Looks like teams are trying to mimic the Kings/Bruins formula of skill/size and grinding/hulking forwards.
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Off topic; here’s a cool interview with Matt Greene’s dad. Really like Greener but even moreso now. Kind of wish his dad would adopt me. Good people those Greene’s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC6bqUWrPB4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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vinny Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:40 am
@toemas_sandstrom, nice, thanks
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JackKentCooke Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@vinny,
Totally genuine man. Thanks for posting.
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KJ Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@toemas_sandstrom, Loved that interview…thanks!!!
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I was taking a look at the reshaping of the Pacific Division to date after all the trades. We should own it next season.
Ducks are imploding. Sent Lubo away and are trying to deal Ryan. Signed Suray for 3 yrs.Suray,really??
Phoenix lost Whitney, Roszival, Pyatt, Aucoin, McLean (heart attack) and Doan is on the fence. others may bolt if things do not fair well for the team proposed ownership.
Dallas lost Ott and got geriatric with Jagr and Whitney.
San Jose is in the midst of yet another annual semi rebuild.
It all looks good for us, I think.
GO KINGS GO!!
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kluka68 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:11 am
@Gustavo, Dont’ forget that Detroit lost Lidstrom
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:18 am
@kluka68, yeah that is huge, they will probably break the unwritten rule and offer Weber an offersheet. Pekka Rinne is probably doing a Denis Lemieux from Slap Shot, “Trade me right @#!%#! now!!” *hangs up phone*
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:23 am
@kluka68,
I was just looking at the Pacific Division. But you’re right. The chicken wings will have to spend a ton on mediocre talent or patiently wait till they can harvest and develop more talent.
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BluLiner Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:14 am
@Gustavo, Hold on there. Phoenix did get Klinkhammer.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:27 am
@BluLiner,
You forgot to type “LOL” at the end..
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I think Parise and Suter signing with MN just added some pressure on DL and other WC GMs to keep Doan from joining them. Add an extra million to Shane Doan’s price tag.
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BluLiner Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:19 am
@Gustavo, You are right. Minnesota upped the ante, big time.
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Canadian King Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:19 am
@Gustavo, I completely agree and would love to see Doan in LA, only problem is Detroit and Chi will be going HARD after him as well. Kings may have to overpay a little bit on a three year contract. Maybe 3 years $14 mill gets him? It would be worth it though and with Minny getting alot better we may have to do it to repeat. Would rather do a 2 year so he is done the year we need to re-up Brown.
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@Gustavo, Yeah, if the Wild get Doan that would really bump them up a lot.
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Hackwoods Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@KC23, They cannot afford him under the CAP, unless Doan takes less than $3M. The Wild have spent $67M and need 2 more players to fill out their 23 man roster. Doan will not be going there. I hope he signs with the Rangers. Perfect fit for that d-bag.
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bbb7 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@Gustavo, I dont think they have the cap room for Doan as well.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@bbb7,
Even if MN has the cap space, I doubt Doan would move to MN. I’d speculate and gamble he wants to be with a PROVEN winner or west conference contender for a solid chance to win the Cup once, at least. If not the LAK, perhaps San Jose, Chicago or Vancouver. I hope it’s us.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
@Gustavo, I hope its NOT us…I guess you have a very short memory as to how this jerk acted in the playoffs…..oh but that’s right…forgive and forget….Kings fans never forget…NEVER!…Go Kings Go
Wild lands both Parise and Suter….for 13 yrs.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=637188&cmpid=nhl-rxl-fb
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A massive collective “WTF !!!!!!” has been detected in the Ritcher scale from places like Philadelphia, Pittsburg, New Jersey and Detroit.
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Nice, Rich where do you find these tidbits did Kopi or Gasper email you?
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luc20rules Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:18 am
@luc20rules, Russia, it must be Slava?
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69 Points (Parise) earns you $7.5 million? Have fun with that Minnesota…
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:21 am
@California Royalty, it’s scary… what is Kopi’s market value? He gets more points then Nash or Parise every year while playing in a heavily defensive system. What would his numbers look like on an East Coast team?
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Canadian King Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:23 am
@DEH, easily over 100pts in Phillys system, ya Kopis contract looking even better now.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:24 am
@DEH,
100+ per season, easily.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@DEH, Parise had the one year where he scored over 40 goals and close to 100 points. Kopi hasn’t done that yet. I also believe Zach will get closer to that range with the Wild.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
@Jeff_R, Kopi didn’t need to, and he won the prize..what did Parise’s 40 get him?
goldielocks Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:24 am
@California Royalty,
Now that DD’s 7 million deal seems very much reasonable.
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:27 am
@goldielocks, and assuming he stays on par with his development, it will seem like a steal in about 3 years.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:47 am
@DEH, If he continues on that trajectory yes it will be a steal. However when he is 28 or so and a ufa then what?
KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@California Royalty, yeah Parise isn’t worth that. No way. I value a Suter more than Parise in that deal.
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KingMe20 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@California Royalty,
That’s coming off a bad knee injury, so I’m not surprised his numbers were down. He does have 40-goal talent though.
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Dear Kings Fans, Friends & Family:
Ah, The Cup…Back in the (former) U-S-S-R…don’t know how lucky (fortunate) we are…
Taking this opportunity to wish all Kings fans a Happy & Safe Fourth of July.
We are proudly flying this year together with Old Glory, uniquely here in Oceanside/San Diego North County, the Kings Stanley Cup Championship banner, as part of a life-long dream and bucket list item being achieved. .
We salute both flags, emblematic of the Pride, Passion and Power…
p.s. and belated Happy Canada Day (July 01) to my family to the great North.
Jim & Aileen Ferguson
jfergusoninsd@aol.com
Forever Fan (since 1967) of The 2012 Stanley Cup Champion LA Kings!
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Renee_LN Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Thanks Man, same to you @james ferguson,
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Parise and Suter both sign for the MN Wild…..wow, they’ve just made themselves 200M of irrelevance.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@ScottC, Wild have done well for themselves. I feel they have jumped to the top of the Northwest division, or at least close to Vancouver. I think Calgary and Colorado will be jumped by the Wild and Oil.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@Jeff_R,
I doubt the Olies will become anything more than a high quality farm team during the next 3-4 years. Once their massively touted 1st draft picks approach the end of their ELCs, teams will money will steal them.
Serves them well. Karma is a biatch, Tambo.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@ScottC, Good and good riddance.
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if Parise is getting 13 @ 98 mil, whats brownie going to get?
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Jason, Brownie hasn’t anywhere near the stats that Parise had. If he continues on the trajectory he is on he should get somewhere in the 5 million range.
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Belexes Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@Jeff_R,
You sure about that? Averages over last 5 seasons:
Brown 26G 29A 56PTS
Parise 30G 33A 63PTS
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rumpa #19 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
@Belexes, Just back from knee trouble, and a year off. Zack is worth about 7.5 in this market. I would not have liked more than 6 yrs at that hit thats were its crazy.
Doughty deal is looking better every day.
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jess Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:40 am
@BluLiner,
Now THAT’S funny.
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The best tweet of the day so far.
Tom Valentino @Tvalentino24
@PuckDucky I knew Parise had to consult with his fiancé on where to play, I just didn’t know her name was Ryan Suter.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@goldielocks,
His girlfriend will be flattered to discover he already had a suter!
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once every four years we can pull for parise and suter in the olympics with our boy jack j!!! nice of them to do the anti-lebron and go north to a small market team. looks like minnesota will start making the playoffs every year now… sorry ducks
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Purple Reign Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@11 or 3, Dont forget about our OWN boys in Brown and Quick, who SHOULD be the next Ua starter!
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
@11 or 3, Those 2 were all about the money, not winning. Jersey just finished second in the league, and Parise jumps ship?…for the MONEY, of course.
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rumpa #19 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
@TiredOfIt, Detroit offered the same, and there were a bunch more, Minny matched his other option. He got to go home for the same. NJ is in $ trouble so who knew what him and Lou came up with. Kovi island now…
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
@rumpa #19, True
If we sign Doan, I say we trade Lewis. Lewis have some value now and I don’t think he will ever be worth as much as he is now. Lewis is also only signed through next season. Plus, Doan is going to play RW3. A 3rd line of King-Stoll-Doan… That’s a real scary line.
I would also try to move Gags and Richardson (1 year left on contract).
I hope our forward lines skate like this in game 1 of 2012/2013…
Brown-Kopi-Williams
Penner-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Doan
Clifford-Fraser-Nolan
Extras – Westgarth, Richardson (If not traded)
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
@HBJohn, Dear God, tell me where they come from, please? How can ANY TRUE Kings fan consider Shone Dope on this team. Trade Lewis? A guy that just busted his ass for this organization? And we’re gonna sell him out for one of the BIGGEST JERKS in hockey? I DISAGREE with your opinion Sir, But your entitled to it so there it is.
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rumpa #19 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
@HBJohn, Your fired!!!!!!!
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Token Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@HBJohn, Well that is all kinds of deluded. Kings already have 7 top-six forwards. You want to add another?
No way Doan plays anything less than 2nd line minutes.
Purple Haze man, purple!
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This is probably what’s happening in New Jersey with Kovalchuk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-OOW5CP7NQ
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m.r.morris Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
@DEH, Classic
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rumpa #19 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@DEH, Nice job.
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Well, expecting a lockout now. These salaries are crazy! The GMs and owners keep shooting themselves in the foot. How can they ask for a resonable cap when they throwout salary offers that are ridiculous. And the players………..do they really think the cap will keep going up and up and up. How do you field a team with some of these salaries? And compete for a cup? Parise and Suter can say they wanted to play near home, but…….if so, why didnt they sign day 1? The agents were using the teams against each other to raise the numbers. Just like Kovy vs DL. Long summer ahead, get to enjoy the cup and watch the finals over and over again:)
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goldielocks Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@src,
I think you hit the nail on the head.
In Darren Dreger’s report – It was important to Parise that he and Suter were compensated equally.
This is the bad example that cannot be tolerated for the owner side. Now that players know they can team up to ask for more money with the package deal, how could the owner side counters that strategy? Parise, Suter, and the Wild organization should know better.
Good thing I recorded the final on DVR …
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@src,
Not a lockout, but some serious contract restrains to avoid long extensions and contracts.
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Clifford and Westgarth better refine their fighting technique for Kassian and Konopka.
First match is November 1 in Minnesota.
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BluLiner Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@BluLiner, oh no, thanks src, I forgot about the likely lockout. But, your right, Kings are the only team to continue to relish in the glory if lockout occurs.
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kluka68 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@BluLiner,I seriously doubt Westgarth will play with Kings next season.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@BluLiner, These guys are are becoming extinct….players just “turn the other cheek” and fighting becomes a none issue and these guys become useless in the playoffs when penalities can result in the outcome of the game.
I say Kings should have FOUR scoring lines…we have enough talent to do so. Who needs physicality when the opposition is worried about FOUR lines threatening to score!!!!!
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BluLiner Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@rogiesbackup, I disagree, but that’s ok. I remember the first round of the playoffs – there was not much turning the cheek there until the later games. And the same rules do not apply during the regular season – there will be great efforts at intimidation and the Kings will need to counter it. Look at Buffalo last year, they were irrelevant after Miller was run and noone came to his defense. It is clear to me, that’s why the Sabres traded a lot to get Ott.
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JackKentCooke Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@BluLiner,
The Kings have size an physicality on every line eliminating the need for a single enforcer. No less authority than Mattin Brodeur said the Kings size was the determining factor in the series, and he wasn’t referring to Westgarth.
Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@JackKentCooke, Rogiesbackbrace,
It’s a very debatable question.
Don’t you keep Westy as an insurance policy just in case roughhouse teams like the Sharks and Coyotes, etc put out bully boys and get out of hand if they find themselves getting outmatched?
On the surface the Kings have decent middleweights that can handle themselves ok, but the remaining heavyweights (Penns and King) are not going to (be wanted to) go to battle when the fists start to fly.
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
@BluLiner, I can’t believe I’m writing this but, I have to disagree with my collegue @DFN. I think Penner and King proved that they WILL go to blows when needed.
HBJohn Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@rogiesbackup, look where that had gotten soft teams the last several years?
Kings dressed a somewhat tough lineup last year. They had size, at the top in hits and would fight. Just having 4 scoring lines wouldn’t have won the Cup. Did you forget what King and Nolan did for us? Thank god, we didn’t bring up 2 proven goal scores last year and decided to bing up toughness.
Soft team = no cup in todays NHL!
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
@dunkinDonuts, @fellowBloggers
LOL….”rogiesbackbrace!!” I’m talking the likes of Westy and these so – called enforcers. They’re going to be extinct!! In the spirit of the discussion, if a team has four PROVEN lines that are an offensive threat, you’r not going to put an enforcer on against them…they’ll just keep burying the puck into the net not to mention you will just let them go into the PP. Keep in mind, Kings already have toughness PLUS these guys can put the puck behind the goalie with fairly good succes…..Dbrown, DKing.
I’m just saying maybe put a Gagne or even a Williams in the third and fourth lines and redefine the role of the fourth line and be EXPECTED to score…Lets see how the league will handle having to deal with stopping this offensive jaugernaut. If we can get Nash….maybe we can make this happen. kopi, richards, nash, stoll,carter, brown, williams, gagne….SCARY!!!!
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JackKentCooke Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
@rogiesbackup,
It should be noted that Westgarth won very few fight last season.
Parise is not worth that kinda dough. DD and Scuds shut him down. This makes Brown $3mil underpaid at a minimum.
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rumpa #19 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
@Mikko makela, But he will play with Mikko not Kovi.
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It will be funny if the league rules both contracts invalid for circumventing the salary cap.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@DEH,
If they do, the NHLPA will sue claiming the Cindy deal is just as bad. They’ll pass.
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@Gustavo, the age thing would suggest otherwise.
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Parise didn’t want to fall into the “can’t beat them, then join them” category.
Best of luck to Parise & Suter in their new digs.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@KOHO, The lure to play with his friend and in his hometown was much bigger then any amount of money. I am sure there were offers bigger then what they ended up getting from the Wild.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@KOHO, Agree, have a nice life in “The State of Hockey”
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Minnesota just jumped from bottom third of teams, to SECOND HIGHEST CAP behind Boston. Hopefully they end up like Columbus last year.
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jess Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@LA_1968,
You really think they’ll acquire Jack Johnson?
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@jess, Maybe the Wild are trying to become Team USA.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@Jeff_R,
Redcoats!
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@Jeff_R, Turncoats is more like it. BOOM
Wow. Rough summer in Jersey.
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jess Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@FiG17, And in PHX
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FiG17 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@jess,
Very true.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@FiG17, Yea it is rough but what could of been a Natural Disaster only turned into a Mid level one. Keeping Broduer and Salvador kept it from being a total one. Hedberg kept is big also. Phoenix will be bad if Doan leaves, especially if he is signed by us.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@Jeff_R, Hopefully not…the guy is a jerk and doesn’t deserve to be on this team after the way he acted…I said this before and I’ll say it again…..Hang the Doap jerseys from the rafters of Hell…..sorry Jeff…there it is
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
@FiG17, The biggest disaster for them was not retaining “the puck” – oh, and not landing the chalice, as well.
Either way, Pat Elias will never be the same.
Additionally, losing Oates and reports of Robinson’s imminent retirement means they will have lost a lot more off the ice than they’ve lost on it.
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Robert R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
@FiG17, Yes it is. Hockey news there is tough too.
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I thought Parise wanted to go to a contender? Im speechless
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@Gmo, They might just become a contender now.
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John Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@rogiesbackup,
That’s a HUGE “might”!
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@Gmo, Getting both players they have jumped to at least a Playoff team. Whether or not it is a Cup contending team will remain to be seen. They have 13 years though to figure it out. This is a key start though. I sincerely doubt they will be the worst scoring team next season.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@Tweety_R,
Since DL failed to comply with your strong coaxing, now that will be …. US again!
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@Duncanz, Hope so….worked out well this year eh? And to hell with Doap!!!….Hang his jerseys from the rafters of hell…..I think I said that already…and will continue to until he signs with PHO or ANA or MARS for all I care
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
@Jeff_R, The bottom line though, is he didn’t go to a current cup contender. That much is fact and says a lot about what others think about him vs. what his actions say.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Well, but he did sign with Wild presumably on the contingency that RS be signed along with so it’s likely he saw them as a Cup contender once they had himself and his new BGF.
Glad Parise didn’t get signed. Kings better watch out with signing too many of these big contracts. It could handcuff the team in the future when it’s time to “move” players and get quality players as well.
I still believe the future comes from our AHL affiliates, heck it’s cheaper and they know the “system.”
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@rogiesbackup, Agreed. We need to start moving some of our spare parts for draft picks right about now.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@rogiesbackup, One more long term contract wasn’t going to hurt us. However there was no way we could offer a package like the Wild got.
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Wow, the Suter deal really makes DD look like a bargin. Have we got the best GM or what?
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@KC23, Doughty is 5 yrs younger and was an RFA. Once Drew becomes 28 or 29 and is a UFA watch out, because he probably will get an even bigger deal then Suter got.
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@Jeff_R, yeah and the cap ceiling will about twice as high.
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I still don’t see Doan signing with the Kings. I kind of get the feeling he might be a sentimental type of guy and go sign with the jets even though it isn’t really the same Jets he came into the league with.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@m.r.morris, If he is like every other player he wants a chance to win a cup. He can’t do that in Phoenix most likely anymore and he definately wouldn’t do it in the Peg. Most likely a team like Pittsburgh or us will be his likely destinations if he leaves Phoenix.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@Jeff_R,
Why do so many people give the pens so much credit? They’re not that good.
Their goal tending is atrocious. They traded Jordan Staal to Carolina for a young Suter who is still to prove he can mesh with the team. Crosby is one good hit away from retirement and their defense showed this last playoffs that they were softer than Swiss cheese.
The way they exited the first round was embarrassing. The Rangers have a much better team.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@Gustavo, Pittsburgh was still a top team who was Cup contending until they oddly flamed out at the end of the season then the Wacky series against Philly. I am not sure what happened to Fluery at the end of the season, maybe he was injured or somehting. But he is still a top Cup winning goalie in the NHL. They could use help on defense and now that they lost out on Parise they could get a Winger for Crosby in Doan. They also could try and sign Carle for defense. Any team with Crosby and Malkin is going to contend for the Cup. As for the Rangers we will see. They are after Nash and if they get him we will see how they will be. They still have problems scoring and Lundqvist isn’t getting any younger.
rogiesbackup Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@Gustavo, Problem with the Rangers is thier so called “good” players disappear at times.
KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
@Gustavo, I agree the Pens are way over rated. Defense and goal tending is what wins in this league.
m.r.morris Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@Jeff_R, I agree with you on principal, but think if he is coming to the end of his career then he may wish to end it where it began. Kind of… I mean the Coyotes are but aren’t the same team even though they were the first Jets… You know!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
@m.r.morris, He wants to resign with the Coyotes if the ownership thing gets settled in 5 days.
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m.r.morris Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), I completely understand that, but if the ownership situation doesn’t go the coyotes way then i see him wanting to leave and after 15 years in Phoenix and a couple where he started in Winnipeg then i kind of see him maybe wanting to end things in Winnipeg. That’s all, but everyone makes great points. For those that don’t like Doan, i am right there with you at this time and space, if he were to become a King i would welcome him.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
@m.r.morris, Except that he would like to go out winning a Cup. I don’t see Winnipeg doing that any time soon, or at least in the next 3-4 years before Shane retires.
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@m.r.morris, That should be a great conversation when he tells his wife and kids they are moving to lovely Winnipeg…that’s not going to happen.
KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Or at least that is how he felt before the mass exiting of team mates. We’ll see. I’m thinking he’ll go to Detroit, Chicago or Vancouver. Probably Vancouver.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
@m.r.morris, Here’s what the Question should be. Why do so many of you want a jerk like Doap on this team?
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
@TiredOfIt, Not you Morris…others
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@TiredOfIt, Because he is an awesome hockey player. Physical, skilled, captain, great in the community and of course a consummate team player who will go to bat for his teammates. Take the end of the series out of the equation and most everybody would love to have him on the Kings. I don’t take one instance in 16 years, a mistake that he has acknowledge, to wipe my opinion of someone.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@Jeff_R, I think Tired of it doesn’t like physical players. Perhaps the Kings should go after Alexander Semin. He isn’t too tough…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
@Jeff_R, I don’t take ONE instance either, you mean take out his whole history right?
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
@Jeff_R, What Doan has done a few times in his career, Bobby Clarke used to do every game. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. I’d rather have a player with Doan’s type of intensity than a player going through the motions.
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
@Jeff_R, Sorry that last comment was obviously meant for TiredOfit and not you.
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
@Jeff_R, @BringBackTheBandwagon…I’m all for tough, just not for players that run players on my favorite team and then act like it didn’t happen…Joe Thornton is tough and I can’t stand him either….If like your hockey with rainbows and unicorns good for you….This is sports…some people don’t like certain players and NEVER want them on their team….you do…I don’t
JD Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 12:41 am
@Jeff_R, I would love for us to get Doan, it will make us that much tougher to play against, I’m sure every player on the kings would love to have him too, starting with Brown
Now that the sweepstakes for Parise and Suter are over. It is going to be interesting what Nashville does with Webber. Would Webber be willing to sign long term to stay in Music City? Or would he want to go elsewhere. Word is if Suter left, which he did, Shea doesn’t want to stay in Nashville. There is no way that Shea will sign an offer sheet, as Nashville will match any one given. So the best thing for Nashville is to trade him. Of course how many teams will be willing to risk trading for him, knowing that it might be for just one year? Also now that we know what Suter got, Webber deserves that and more.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@Jeff_R,
Not sure who the preds have in the pipeline that can replace Suter and Webber, but why not let Webber go if offer sheets start flying? They’d get 4 1st round picks for him. That’s a treasure i’d not mind having.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@Gustavo, Webber won’t sign an Offer sheet because the Preds say they will match any one he signs. So I doubt that is going to happen. That is why they should look to trade him, if they know they can’t sign him long term. While 4 first round picks is an awesome get, there is no saying that it would help them replace what Webber can bring. Nashville is in a tough spot because they might not be able to get top value in trade, as no team is going to give a Kings ransom for a player who might be a rent a player.
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Suddenly doughtys contract looks like a bargain compared to those two.
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goldielocks Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@Ashykon,
And he calls himself “Holdupdoughty” on his twitter account. Love this guy.
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Whoe ULTIMATELY pays for these inflated salaries??? THE FANS DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
@rogiesbackup,
Das right!…So go to your boss tomorrow and tell him you need a raise to pay for your season tickets cost increase…
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@Gustavo, That’s an easy fix for him….He’ll just look at the door and I’ll know what’s in his mind. lol
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Looks to me like Parise chose $$$$ over his best chance to win a cup. I’m a little surprised by this. I would’ve thought taking a little bit of a haircut for the opportunity to join a winning org like the LA Kings would be incentive enough, but what do I know.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
@jess, Are you really surprise that some take money over winning????!!!
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jess Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@rogiesbackup,
With him I am. Others, no.
Looks like I over estimated his character.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@jess, I don’t think it was the money. It was the chance to play at home and with good buddy Suter. He would not have gone to the Wild had Ryan not gone. The only way the Wild would get either was to get both. Also I believe both players were offered more money elsewhere. I think Philly’s offers for the both of them were higher then the Wild’s.
jess Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
@Jeff_R,
Huh, well that makes more sense to me now. Thanks Jeff.
Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
@jess, You’re welcome, I think
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JD Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 12:45 am
@jess, It’s not like he did a kolcasuck, he went to his hometown
Minnesota? REALLY?? What a joke. That just takes the Wild from a bottom of the barrel team to an 8th place and one and done team. I know Minnesota is The State Of Hockey but the Wild are just in a state of disaster. I just don’t get it.
But from a Kings perspective it’s all good. I know the Kings made an offer to Parise but really I think it was just a token offer. I don’t think the Kings were serious about getting him and they don’t need him. Have fun battling for 8th place Zach! We’ll just win some more Cups out here on the Left Coast!
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
@PaulHB, Minnesota was a top team until December/January where they were curtailed by injuries. They are a much better team now with more depth. Getting both Parise and Suter have risen them up to Vancouvers level. They will be fighting them for the division.
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rick Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
@Jeff_R, I agree they have improved, but compare them to what we have:
Parise vs. Kopitar
Heatly vs. Carter
Koivu vs. Richards
Sedoguchi vs. Williams
Clutterbuck vs. Brown
Suter vs. Doughty
Anyone vs. Quick
We win in every comparison IMO. I don’t know the rest of their roster that well, but would have a hard time believing they can match up to Mitchell, Scudari, Voynov, Penner, King, Stoll etc.
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PaulHB Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
@Jeff_R, I don’t know if that says more about how good Minnesota is now or really how mediocre Vancouver is. Yes, they’ve been a “top” team the last 2 seasons but they played in a weak division. We saw in April how easy they were to beat. They got the Sedins and a goaltending crisis. The Wild still don’t scare me. All they do is play defense. Yes, they’re very good at it but that doesn’t make them a SC contender. And to say they were “a top team until December/January” is like saying the Oilers had a winning record until game 1 of the season. What does it matter? They weren’t even close to the playoffs. Blame it on injuries if you want but the proof is in the pudding. They weren’t a very good team and I don’t think they’re much better now.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
@PaulHB,
That “not a very good team” went two for four against the Kings in our Cup winning season.
In conceding that they’re better now, don’t be too quick to write them off completely.
Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
@PaulHB, I never said they were better then us or even compared them to us. I only said they are stronger then they were before and will challenge Vancouver in the Northwest Division. I do agree that Vancouver is on a downward trajectory while Minnesota and Edmonton are on a upward trajectory (possibly Colorado also). I will say that the Northwest Division has gotten tougher and not as week as it was. Will the team that comes out on top win the Cup, don’t think so. They will have a hard time getting out of the first round. Of course you have to take in account the just make it you never know option.
KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
@Jeff_R, They’ll be a 4 – 8 sead. Not at the Vancouver level by any means imho.
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luc20rules Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
@PaulHB, My guess is they gave Parise 2 offers. 1 year contract for 7 mil, or 10 years at around 5.75 mil/yr. The longer contract could have been worth more if it had no trade clause or none for the first 2 years. Thats what I would have done anyway.
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Thank you Bobby Hull for initiating these huge contract deals.
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Betmann distributing talent across the NHL perhaps??? Quacks like a duck…..could be an Oink…..Ahhhhhh its betmann!!!
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Happy 4th to you Rich!!! And a big happy 4th to the Kings organization and all my fellow bloggers!!! And last but not least, Happy Birthday America!!!!
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happy 4th to all y’alls…be safe…(!)
parise – not surprised at all…
suter – surprised….i thought for sure he end up in detroit….
thanks RICH, enjoy yr day….:)
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The primary effect of the Sutter signing will be on farm values in Viking.
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4th of July came fast this season….Love the short offseason!!!!!!
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Meanwhile, Quickie is watching the hotdog eating contest … love this guy.
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Those thinking that Doan is going to sign for 4 million or less a year are going to be sadly mistaken. The guy is a winner and there will be plenty of teams bidding for him. I bet he signs a 3-4 year deal north of 6 million a year, perhaps even 7 million a year. I just hope Phil, Pit or some other Eastern Conference team signs him rather than Detroit or Vancouver. If Det or Van signs him that would be at least a ten point swing in the standings between us having him and them. Hopefully, a part of Doan’s decision is climate and proximity to Phoenix area.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, This isn’t about money for Shane. He could retire today and live happily ever after. He has made his money already. This is about his love for the game and a chance to win the cup. The only reason he might leave Phoenix is Ownership. If things don’t work out July 9th most likely Phoenix will leave Arizona. Shane is only going to leave with this scenario. He is not going to sign long term for a team that may bolt. L.A. is close to Phoenix and he has family here, so him coming to the Kings is probably the top of his list once Phoenix isn’t.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@Jeff_R, Trust me that money will be involved. He may not go to the team that offers the most, but if the bidding gets up to 6-7 million a year, the Kings will need to make a competitive offer. His thinking may be changing regarding Phoenix now that Ancoin and Whitney are no longer in play there. Regardless of his reasoning for waiting until the 9th, the fact that both Parise and Suter signed in Minn is going to result in millions more being offered for Doan. Doan has a lot of pride and I fully expect he will be in shape and able to play for his entire 3-4 year contract and would have no trouble with the Kings paying 6 million for Doan. Brown’s going to get 7 million I would think in two years.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@Jeff_R, Agreed except for the Kings are ‘probably’ at the top of his list. There’s no reason to believe that whatsoever other than conjecture. I suspect he’ll stay in Phoenix but it will be very interesting to see if he swallows his pride and cuts his loyalty to AZ by signing with the Kings if he can’t work out a deal there. I highly doubt it but we will see.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), I only said that because L.A. is close to Phoenix and he has family here. He is also here a lot during the Summer, as people i=on HF Boards said they’ve seen him at one of the rinks. He has ties here so that is the only reason I said that. I probably should of said might be. However saying all that I think he will stay in Phoenix, provided Jamieson can take over ownership.
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@Jeff_R, Then he should go away and retire then….We don’t need someone on this team that acted the way he did in the playoffs, and his whole career for that matter. Wow you all have short memories here lately
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@TiredOfIt, I’m sure you will change your mind when he signs and at the end up the season Dustin hands him the Cup.
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
@TiredOfIt, Never….I don’t flip like some…sorry
Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
@BringbackButchGoring,
Vancouver does not overpay. They actually have a history to telling players they need to lower their prices if the want to play there.
No way Doan gets an offer anywhere near 7 million from anybody. I bet you a beer on opening day at Staples. His price tag, however, did go up now that Parise and Suter both signed in the west and the same team. He made 4.55 for the last few years. I say $5.0-5.5 mill for 2 years. No more than $5 mill for a longer term.
If he wants to stay in the sun and warmth of the west or southwest + get a chance at the Cup he has to sign with the LAK. No other team offers both opportunities.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@Gustavo, That’s before they were snuffed out by the Kings last year in five games. That team needs a real leader and Doan would step in immediately in that role. I’d bet Vancouver’s GM wants to keep his job so he will offer a going rate price if he thinks Doan is interested. Doan will get more than 5 million a year easily, unless he signs for Phoenix at a home team discount.
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, If I was Doan I’d go to Vancouver. He is exactly the kind of player Vancouver needs to deal with the Kings.
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Happy 4th to all and sorry if someone has suggested what I’m about to, but I didn’t have time to run through the comments.
Why doesn’t Dean extend a 1 year, 6.5 million dollar offer to Shane Doan? We have about 8 million in cap space for the upcoming season to play with. Why not give him the world!! Doan – Richards – Carter line? Wow. I think he would be an absolute monster!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
@DBking, What makes you think he hasn’t?
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DBking Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), What makes you think he has?
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
@DBking, Doan’s already on record stating he wants a four year deal with someone, so he’s not likely to uproot his family for 1 year and then do it again.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
@BringbackButchGoring,
That sounds reasonable to me. 4 years @ $5 mill per. Cap friendly and everybody wins
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Bingram Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
@Gustavo,
Doan will be 37 years-old forward when the season starts. Any GM that pays $5,000,000 per year for four years should be institutionalized.
I’m glad we have DL on our side.
Go Kings, go!!
Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
@BringbackButchGoring,
On the other hand, how does it feel to want, Doan?
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
@Gustavo, Personally, I’d never seen a guy so villified by people that don’t even know him. He’s a family man with 4 kids, heavily involved in his church and community, and plays the game as it should be played. Sounds like Brown and him have plenty in common.
Pili Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, I live in the bible belt and the “heavily involved in his church” is not necessarily a feather in one’s morality hat. I agree his game is solid but getting angry during the game is one thing; his antics in the handshake line were in my opinion way out of hand. The handshake line is a great tradition and he should have sucked it up and acted like a man. I stay in the “We don’t need or want Doan” camp.
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
@Pili, Ok but twisting around heavily involved in his church to make that a negative sounds like he’s not going to win with you no matter what. It’s pretty unfair to judge him strictly on two minutes in the hand shake line and then completely disregard his hundreds of hours of community service and the fact that he is universally liked and respected by his teammates and the players in the league in general.
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@Gustavo, I can’t believe what I am reading here. Now Doap is the pillar of the community and a church goer? I don’t know anything about Shone Doap except for what he does on the ice on my TV screen. He’s a dirty player and it’s well documented. “A couple of minutes in the handshake line”? Give me a break. I don’t want him on this team period, but that’s me
Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
@Gustavo,
Don’t Jim Swaggert & Jim Bakker do good things on your TV screen tho’.
Basically it works the same as hSendcthem lots of money and they’ll redeem you!
Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@TiredOfPraying,
Don’t Jim’s Swaggert & Bakker do good things on your TV screen tho’?
Basically it works the same with hockey. Send them lots of money and they will guarantee to redeem you!
I don’t see why the Kings wouldn’t consider a major donation to his good name to help atone for denying him, amongst all their other previous sins!
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@Tired of it, Bahahahaha ok Doan is a dirty player. You must of hated hockey twenty years ago.
Pili Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, I certainly didn’t mean to imply that being involved in church is a bad thing, just that it doesn’t guarantee that a person is a good person. I don’t think Doan is dirty, just question his character a bit. You’re right that one shouldn’t be judged on a couple of minutes of passionate anger. I can see that in a hockey sense, he could make the Kings even stronger. It’s the chemistry in the locker room I worry about. The Kings seem to have very good chemistry and hopefully nothing will change that.
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
@BringBackTheBandwagon, The term “dirty player” was used to compress the description of his overall career. I’m sorry…I should have been more “descriptive” for you?
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
@TiredOfIt, Ah did he take a little run at your favorite player and now he can’t play on your team…I just hate when the fans get their little feelings hurt more than the players do. Toughen up, let’s get Doan and win another cup
Suter and Parise: Enjoy your time with the Wild while the Kings win 3 more cups!
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@SavebyQuick, Exactly
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@SavebyQuick, So that’s all the Kings will win 3 Cups?
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After seeing the talent that our team displayed in the playoffs and the final, i say we have all the “Stars” we need!. Go Kings Go!!!
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@planeman45, A voice of reason…thank you
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Happy July 4 th all!
Let them em go!
We have a perfect team!
Go Kings Go!
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
@Gailweb, Happy 4th Gail…love your posts
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I’m pretty sure Doan would ad some value to the line up, and maybe someday I might even get used to him. If it’s better for the Kings, then I’m down for whatever makes us stronger.
But for now, the thought of him in a Kings sweater doesn’t sit well with me.
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Kings Fan In Temecula Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
@jess, same here, i was really trying to find the right words but this sums it up for me, i just cant see it happenening after what he’s done to us
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Lake Forest Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
@Kings Fan In Temecula, I think we are being overly emotional about the whole “what he did to us”….
I don’t care either way if he signs or not, but geez do we fans hold grudges.
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jess Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
@Lake Forest,
The term “overly emotional” really hypes the drama factor in what began as simply straight forward opinionated sentiment.
The only reason I might want to seem him here, is so he can’t be used against us on another team like VAN.
Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
@jesst,
The term “hypes the drama factor” really blow things up crazily out of all proportion to the point where I am going to be in desperate need a gigantic mid-afternoon cocktail just to settle myself down, for heaven’s sakes!!
Anyone for checkers?
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
@Lake Forest, Yes we do…..I could say a bunch about loyalty and support but I won’t or I’ll be in the cornfield. Would Philly fans forget?…Boston? NJ? I guess we’ll be thanking Joe Thornton for flipping us the finger next? Not me. Not THIS Kings fan…NEVER
Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@Kings Fan In Temecula,
“What he’s done to us”…?????
Nothing he’s done while competing against us compares to what we’ve done to him, his teammates, the entire Coyotes organization, Coyotes fans and the city of Glendale.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
@jess, +1,000,000
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@jess, If Doan becomes a King they’ll be a lot of crow going around, but not for me. I think he would be an awesome signing. I do understand why some people can’t get used to the idea. I feel that way about Vancouver’s Burrows. He is my favorite player to hate. Doan I see as just some guy that let his emotions get the better of him after a few tough losses. I’d love to see him in a Kings jersey.
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jess Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
@KC23,
Well that is an important part of this forum, exchanging views and opinions. And although I don’t completely agree with what you say, I respect everything you say 1000% and back it up the same old friend.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
@KC23, Totally disagree…He doesn’t deserve ANY of our new found glory…sorry
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JD Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 1:12 am
@TiredOfIt, I guess your really going to hate it, if Doan takes Lewis spot on the roster
I can’t wait ’til Doan signs so I can’t hear any more bullcrap about him coming to the Kings.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Might have to hear a lot of bull crap then if he does end up signing with us.
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vinny Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, lol
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Lake Forest Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, You didnt say who he signs with. Did you mean the kings? Doan to kings? (joking of course)
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
@Lake Forest, Doap to Poland for all I care…not here…no way…Agree 1000%@Ken
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
@TiredOfIt, I think it might be time to change your name
. Doan would be a real good acquisition if he ends up a King. Would really make our 3rd line really tough to play against and more of a scoring line with Gagne-Stoll-Doan.
TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
@TiredOfIt, I wish I could…but obviously it needs to remain…..I think it’s time for…..nevermind. I hope it doesn’t happen.
I don’t want Doan.Don’t get me wrong,he is a great player,but there is no room for him and am glad we didn’t get Parsie either…
We have a solid team.Stick what we got and see if they can do it again…
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So Parise and HD For the Wild like Kovi and Parise for NJ. What is the difference? Kovi is way better than DH, even if he is a scrub, and DH is a not a good in the locker room guy. Not worried at all.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
@king lopez, Sometimes I really hate when guys type with initials for names instead of there name (last name at least).
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Signing the free agent flavor-of-the-month rarely is a game changer. Coaching, management and culture rule. The Kings’ most important signings have been Lombardi and Sutter at a fraction of the cost of the big name free agents. Sutter made 19 guys all a little better, the cumulative effect being greater that that of any single free agent. The thing to keep in mind is that he is likely to marginally improve all of the guys on the current roster next season as well, so the Kings will be better without adding anyone. Enjoy the 44th of July fireworks without concern for the “free agent fireworks”.
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plywood12 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
@JackKentCooke, Exactly. And the Kings didn’t really start to click until the last quarter of the season. hTey will only get stronger as they keep playing Sutter’s system and thus far haven’t reached their full potential. This team has the ability to explode this season and really put on a show.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
@JackKentCooke,
I want my
I want my
I want my M-80!
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Mars Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
@Duncanz, it’s Dyno-MITE!
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
@JackKentCooke, Good post. The absolute best free agent thing that happened to the Kings was NOT getting Kolvabucks.
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I think the Kings should seriously contend for Nash….forget about Doan. Put Nash on the fourth line and redefine the roll of fourth line and SCORE SCORE SCORE!!! Be a cutting edge team in the NHL!!!!!
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
@rogiesbackup, um no. Howson will leave Columbus before Nash!
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
@rogiesbackbrace,
Robitaille / Larionov / Holmstrom
How’s that for a 4th line?!!
10 years on and it might be time two reinvent the winged wheel, eh?
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
@rogiesbackup,
Nash is only available via trade. Who are you willing to send to Columbus?
Doan only costs us money. Doan is the better choice.
And when was the last time you saw Nash
1. Forecheck?
2. Play any respectable defense?
3. Stick up for his teammates?
Nash in LA would be the biggest fiasco of the summer.
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Mars Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
@Gustavo, I agree. Nash is not a fit for LA.
Honestly, We dont need an upgrade, I get what an upgrade would mean for us, BUT at what cost; and I do not mean cap space, I mean whom we lose. Whom we cannot bring up.
We need to improve what we have and groom what we hold in depth to keep us as Cup contenders for beyond 10 years from now.
I feel we have everything we need now, and for the next 5-10 years. Easily. I would like to see our development blossom now, nuture and mature our depth and make us string for after our 10 years. That way we are a dominate force for 20.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
@Mars,
Bring Doan to LA, win another Cup or two, then worry about bringing anyone up..
Parise will never win a cup, mark my words for future generations….
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
@Jack, I would not go that far. I believe he will win a cup. Just not for a while
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
@Jack, Ya never know. The Wild have some highly rated youngsters coming up in their system. It could happen, but the cup is always a long shot for any team.
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Alright I guess I’ll start this one, what will Weber get? Weber is clearly better than Suter, and by some comments on this thread, much better than Parise, assuming transitivity of course. If Suter gets 7.5 + then Weber would require a 8+ mil caphit.
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
@DEH, Does make you wonder. What ever it will be it will be for over 10 years I bet.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
@KC23, Unless they limit the amount of years in the next cba.
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Sorry, but the Wild was not “just two players” away from being a cup contender prior to the signings.
Now that they will likely have improved with a top ten (in the league) quality left winger and a top ten quality defenseman, they jump from also ran to likely playoff team.
Parise and Suter. Would you trade them even up for Kopi, Doughty? I wouldn’t.
IMO, the Wild WON’T be as good as LAK, Van, StL, and Det. next season, and will be amongst about 8 or 9 teams fighting for the final four spots of playoffs.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@The Gondor,
Probably not next season, but Suter and Parise will be there a long time. Other talent will develop or be acquired to improve the team to higher levels. This is a heck of a good start for them.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
@The Gondor, Last season without Parise and Suter the Wild got off to a 20-8-4 start, only to fall apart under a rash of injuries and no depth to help out. They aren’t just adding Parise and Suter. They made a few other signings and they are adding some top prospects. Now I am not expecting them to contend for the Cup next season, but I think they can finish in the top 8 and possibly win the division. The team though is going to be a lot tougher to play against, but there biggest problem was scoring. That has been helped alot by there signings and added prospects.
Now would I trade Kopi and Doughty for Parise and Suter the answer is no. Mostly because it is really hard to come by a #1 Center as Kopi is and Zac is a Winger who is a scorer versus Kopi who is a playmaker. The reason you would get Parise would be to play with Kopi. Now Doughty is better then Suter. If it were Parise and Webber I would consider it more, as Drew is more in Shea’s category then Ryan’s.
Now before I get a lot of people coming back at me saying how could you trade Kopi and Doughty….I WOULD NOT DO THAT. Only way I would is if you had Malkin or Crosby to Suter. Since that will never happen Kopi and Doughty should retire as lifetime Kings (only team played for).)
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Mars Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@Jeff_R, Add Brown and Quick to that list of whom should retire as Kings, the only team they have ever played for.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
@Mars, Of course that goes without saying.
Great to see this picture from Russia, but why is there a poster of Martin Broduer in the arena? Was this really a pro-Devils town even if Slava is from the area?
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Dallas puts together Roy, Jagr,& Wittney on the2nd line & PP. They might have something, but at least no more Ott in the pacific. Preds are going to try sign Weber pronto, and if it doesnt get done fast they will have to deal him. Sad for them if that happens.
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Duncanz Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@rumpa #19,
That line would get bumped all over the place.
You’d have to have Brenden Morrow in there at LW if you were going to play Roy together with Jagr, wouldn’t you?
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rumpa #19 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Duncanz, Who knows there just depth, and your right the migget is the toughest of the bunch. Funny if the pacific dev wake up call sap the life out of Roy, & the ones with canes.
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Mars Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@rumpa #19, Of all the trades/Signings I have seen, Dallas is looking to do some damage this year, while other teams are getting hacked. Dallas is the one I am watching a bit closer than others right now, mostly to see what happens.
I haven’t heard much about the Sharts nor Sucks, and Phoenix looks like its losing everything.
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rumpa #19 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@Mars, Its our time, and Dallas are the only ones making a desperate push.
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KC23 Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
@Mars, I agree, but they have no depth. One of those older guys go down and they got big holes in their line up.
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Shotongoal Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
@Mars, Dallas could be this next seasons FLA they have improved themselves but losing Ott hurts their character.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
@Shotongoal,
Ott was a character, alright.
Shotongoal Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
@Shotongoal, Ott is another of those players you hate until he plays for your team…….
DesertKing Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
@Mars,
For Dallas, it almost seemed more like they were just bringiing in pieces to replace pieces that left.
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Once we got Carter, the need many of us had for Parise went away. The only thing that would have caused me concern if Detroit had signed Parise and Suter. Meanwhile, how cool is it that the LA team needing a big free agency signing is the Lakers and they actually do it (welcome Steve Nash).
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luc20rules Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
@DesertKing, Detroit made a solid signing in Mikal Samuelsson 2yr 3mil/yr. They know he works in their system. They suprisingly have 13 mil in cap space with only RFA Kyle Quincey, Abdelkader, & Holmstrom to be signed. Likely also needing 2 really good Dmen with Stuart leaving & Lidstrom retiring.
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how bout semin for 6mil/ 1yr??? anyone??
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
@FVKingsFAN,
No, thank you. No room for slackers or half ass performers in the LAK locker. Sutter is gonna have his work cut out for him already trying to get the team to sober up from the Cup hungover and produce the extra 3% across the board that Lombardi talked about.
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DesertKing Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Q@FVKingsFAN,
Yes, I would like to see Anaslime, the Cryotes, the Casucks or any team other than the Kings make that deal.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@FVKingsFAN, Google Marc Crawford and Semin and you will see why he will never be a King. Just a huge Wow with what he said. Didnt like him as Kings coach but he is pretty spot on about Semin. No way jose.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
@Jeff_R, I haven’t even heard that the scrub teams are interested in him. Addition through subtraction with this guy for Washington
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Cruiznblue Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
@FVKingsFAN,
No thanks.
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Michael J. Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am
@FVKingsFAN,
How about you rooting for the ducks?
No Freakin’ Way!
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As a back seat GM I would have chased Ray Whitney first with a 2 year 2.75/yr contract or 1 year 3 mil. That in my opinion should have been the initial target. Parise is too young to be thinking Cup chance he was going for the money grab, and the going home to Minn. is just an additional perk. I don’t think we had a real chance at him without jepordizing our future.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
@luc20rules,
LOL, Whitney got 9 mill for 2 years
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Steve Yzerman aces out his old employers and at least 3 other teams by signing Matt Carle to a 6 yr 5.5 aav contract. Detroit is 0 for 2 today, losing both Suter and Carle.
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Bama Kings Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
@Jeff_R, I think the next signing needs to be OF Dean Lombardi, not by Dean Lombardi. You look at where he’s got us, the contracts our guys are signed to and the fact he has a core together for the foreseeable future – he needs a new contract!
I’m loosing my mind over these deals, just loosing it!
What’s next, Semin getting $6.5M for 7 years?
This is lunacy.
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Kenny D Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
@Bama Kings, there is a lot of money….some of these deals I cant beleive either…when is DL contract up?Well Ron Hextell come for DL if Kings dont resign?
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
@Bama Kings, Lock-out eminent…IMO
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Doan isn’t gonna come to the Kings. Think about all the teams that need him. Unless we overpay obviously.
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Bama Kings Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
@Subby, And we won’t. God Bless our GM!
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DEH Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
@Subby, we don’t need him, so we won’t overpay. It’s more of a we like the way he plays and put an offer on the table, if he wants to come he will and if not we aren’t exactly going to lose sleep over it.
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Token Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
@Subby, Some of the press thinks so:
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
I mentioned this July 1, but worth repeating: if Shane Doan has to leave Phoenix (he hopes not), the Kings will be very aggressive bidders
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
@Subby, Kings dont need to over pay anymore for players. The cup is the selling point. If it is money u r looking for then go elsewhere. However if it is the cup u r after u will take less to get it.
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Cruiznblue Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
@Subby,
I dont think we are the team anymore that needs to “overpay” for anyone…players should be willing to take a reasonable offer to come to an LA team that is going to be extremely competitive for a long time to come.
If Doan wants a cup…then he shouldn’t be looking for the big bucks.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
@Subby,
Doan got a 5 year $4.55 mill p/yr contract in 2007 and last season he led his team to the WCF. He has not slowed down a bit during this last 5 years. So a raise for him to the mid $5 mill is not unreasonable.
We’re about 8.5 mill below the cap and we can easily trade some spare parts for picks to next year draft and expanding our cap space by at least 1.5 mill or so.
Paying Doan his $5.5 mill for 3-4 years would not hurt our cap limitations. unless, of course, the CBA lowers it, then lots of teams will be scrambling to clear cap space.
Doan would be a bargain and a great add on to our roster. He fits in perfectly. I would bet not one single LAK player wold have a single negative comment to say if Doan was announced as a new King player.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
@Gustavo, Maybe, but about 59% of the Kings FANS would…yepper
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
@TiredOfIt,
I’m sure you have interviewed all the LAK fans, uh?
PalmSpringsKingsFan Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am
@TiredOfIt, I would be happy If were up to the 59% fans we would not have a team or a GM the team will improve with him on the 3rd or 4th line
WOW – another example of amazing news reporting – at least the tables have turned a little! HAHAHA
https://twitter.com/ShinobiAFC/status/220703137537851392/photo/1
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Cruiznblue Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
@PurpleRocks,
They’re all over the place!
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DesertKing Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
@PurpleRocks,
Nash is Canadien
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KJ Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
@PurpleRocks, That made me smile!
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I would be very interested to know what (if any) players are considering the Kings. You would think a team that steamrolled through the playoffs would be on a lot of player’s lists.
I wouldn’t mind Doan on the Kings. He has been one of the biggest Kings killers and it would be nice to have him on our side. Plus, I think it would only benefit the younger players. With that said, I don’t think he will sign with the Kings and I don’t really like any of the other remaining free-agents. It would be nice to see us get someone, but I think Dean will be waiting to see how we do in the regular season and then make a trade or two.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
@aKinginVancouver,
If not re-signed with the dogs for the term he wants, he’ll get 3-4 years somewhere else. The last thing I want is for him help a western opponent. Again, he’d be ideal for us.
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Mars Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
@aKinginVancouver,
I have wondered that too.
It says a lot when you have guys resigning for less (Stoll, Penner) to stay a King.
Quick could have EASILY commanded A LOT more.(We’re lucky he’s a classy guy in it for the team)
Brown 2nd lowest paid Captain in the league (Milan Hejduk with Avs @ 2Mil)
I respect those type of guys. Don’t raise my ticket prices.
Seriously, you know they want the cup, they want to be on a contender team.
It speaks VOLUMES. True love of the sport. Love for the game.
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Gustavo Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 9:04 am
@Mars,
Yes, I would expect the home grown boys to take a discount to stay with the team that drafted them, invested in them, nursed them through the minors and brought them into the league. Quick and Brown are perfect examples. Brown will get his in a few years.
On the other hand, you have Doughty, who squeezed every possible dime out of DL solely on potential.
I would not ask or expect the same considerations from unrestricted free agents or players acquired through trades who bring a ‘finished product’ to our team. They deserve a fair market value, like Gagne, Richards and Carter commanded.
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When I heard LA team gets Nash, I said oh no:We do not need Nash……
Then I realized it was Steve Nash to the Lakers not Rick Nash to the Kings. Thanks for that.
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KJ Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
@micwoo, I know…I briefly scanned MR’s tweet and freaked out a little…then actually read it…
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I think it’s fitting how Lou signed Kovalchuk to a ridiculous long/expensive contract to lure him to NJ…and now he lost his captain to the same thing.
What goes around comes around…
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Gustavo Reply:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
@Cruiznblue,
If I remember correctly, it wasn’t Lou who craved Kovi, but the owner who pushed the contract..
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Loktionov with the cup!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vfl2AvYhwc
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cromartee Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 12:34 am
@Stephen,
crazy – I like it.
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“I would bet not one single LAK player wold have a single negative comment to say if Doan was announced as a new King player.”
Duhhh. To whom? In private or in public? Brilliant.
I wonder at what point in time that Doan will start liking Brown?
The Doaners are real downers. We don’t need belligerent players that act like they’re on steroids, nor fans on glass.
After 35 years, players should be slowing down. People age differently but by 40 if a player hasn’t lost of lot of his skills (perhaps less a goalie), you know something’s up – testosterone and HGH to name two). Even before 40, the body just doesn’t recover remotely near the same and injuries are easily five times as likely.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 12:51 am
@cromartee, So are you saying that Lidstrom, Whitney, Selanne who are still playing in there 40′s because they are on HGH or testosterone? I heard a lot of reasons why we shouldn’t get Shane Doan but this particular bunk takes the cake.
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Osaka Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 1:55 am
@cromartee, Actually Doan’s numbers were the loosest he has had in nine years.
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Osaka Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 1:52 am
@Shotongoal, +420
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Shotongoal Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am
@Osaka, No not really, he’s gotta be doing something stronger than that if this is how is brain is thinking!!
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Gustavo Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 8:52 am
@cromartee,
Dude, you’re reaching for straws on that one. What qualifies you to say what players should or should not do at any age? Try t convince Mitchell and Scuderi and Selanne about that nonsense.
One of the main reasons I believe Doan is a great fit for this LAK team is that his high energy and physicality will help spread the minutes on the ice and directly cause less wear and tear on the rest of the team during the grueling 82 game regular season.
Injuries play a huge role in a team’s ability to make it into the playoffs. Our history in that area speaks for itself.
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Shotongoal Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 9:51 am
@Gustavo, why is anyone even wasting their time responding to this mess? Lol
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Gustavo Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 10:02 am
@Shotongoal,
Because we’re bored and Mr. Hammond took the day off, lol.
Fully aware is a matter of perspective, evidently.
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Stanley Cup in Russia! This is – fantastic! Thank future wars! Los Angeles Kings – go ahead!!
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The reactions to Parise and Suter going to Minny make me laugh.
So now Minny has 4 top 6 forwards (Parise, Koivu, Heatley and Stoguchi). Who is their 2nd line center?
Now they have a handful of d-men, one of which (Suter) is grossly overrated. I’d love to know what he would have done in Nashville without Weber?
7.5 a year for these two for 13 years (I know it’s the average). Just plain dumb. SO very happy with this franchise not doing something like that.
Well, aside from Carter and Richards I guess.
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nykingfan Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 6:56 am
@mrbrett7,
Agree completely!
I think they’re both overrated..not that they aren’t good players, but they’re not superstars which is what they’re getting paid to be. I’m sure Minn will improve, but enough to sneak into the playoffs? I’m not so sure about that. If they are going to sneak into one of the playoff spots, it’ll probably be at the expense of Nashville or SJ…Neither team looks to be improving much at all.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 8:25 am
@nykingfan, Detroit. Watch for Detroit to take a real nosedive this year.
No Lidstrom.
Dastyuk and Zetterberg coming off some of their worst seasons.
Holmstrom is 38 going on 98.
Detroit is in deep trouble. They need to decide if they want to mortgage their future (which they do have some good players coming up through the system) to get Rick Nash which really only staves off the coming bad seasons, OR, hold tight, suffer for a bit, and rebuild correctly?
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vinny Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 8:30 am
@mrbrett7, from what ive read, cullen is their second line center, who’ll most likely go to the third line which will open a spot for mikael granlund
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mrbrett7 Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 9:08 am
@vinny, So, they are going to hand the 2nd line center role to a prospect. Well, that always works out.
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vinny Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am
@mrbrett7, cmon, you know what i meant..he’ll most likely go to the third line (cullen) after granlund earns the second line outta camp..its what ive read, and he’s listed as a B on hockeysfuture which is what slava and king and brayden were listed as in probability of success, so i feel pretty confident that hes the real deal for them
Gustavo Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 8:40 am
@mrbrett7,
Their 2nd line center is Matt Culler 935) ,They also got Kyle Broziak (28)
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mrbrett7 Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 9:08 am
@Gustavo, Matt Cullen is Jarret Stoll…
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BluLiner Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@mrbrett7, Minnesota had the most points in the league going into December last year until they were struck by multiple injuries, including Koivu. They never recovered, but you may remember they were a thorn to many teams trying to make the playoffs at the end of the season. I see Minny is the top threat to the Kings next year.
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KC23 Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
@mrbrett7, Parise is the over rated one imho. Suter is the real deal imho. I’ll be interested to see how well Weber does without Suter.
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Any updates on Drew Doughty’s situation: It’s been very quiet. I still don’t see how the charges aren’t dropped, but my nervous heart needs reassurance…
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nykingfan Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 6:58 am
@Eric K,
we can’t really say that the charges should be dropped because we don’t know any of the facts of the case. We’ve heard from D’s lawyer, but they’re at times prone to slant things their client’s way.
Hopefully it works out ok for DD.
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Eric K Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 7:02 am
@nykingfan, True. I’m just taking TMZ at its word… which sounds really strange to say, haha.
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nykingfan Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 8:10 am
@Eric K,
lmao..They don’t subscribe to the Walter Cronkite way of reporting news!
Hopefully we’ll here something soon clearing him.
Gustavo Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 8:35 am
@Eric K,
Technically, formal charges have not been made. That’s what the DA is debating based on the ‘accusations’ made against DD.
If we speculate in DD’s favor, we should also assume the DA’s office is milking this thing for maximum political exposure. Something most district attorney are very well known to do in high profile cases.
This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
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Rich Hammond Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 9:33 am
There haven’t been any charges filed against him, so there are none to be dropped.
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This is a Leader….Mitch, after signing 2 yr. contract extension….
Mitchell: `I want a Cup’
Posted by Rich Hammond on 25 February 2012, 12:50 pm
Of course, most of the attention over the past two days has been focused on Jeff Carter’s trade to the Kings, but the team also made a significant move yesterday when Willie Mitchell signed a two-year, $7-million contract extension. The Kings’ most veteran defenseman will stick around, and today Mitchell talked about his decision to stay with the Kings and not test the free-agent market this summer.
MITCHELL: “It’s nice to be here for an extended period of time. I like our team. We have underachieved as a group, there’s no doubt, but I like our team. When you get older, you want to stay somewhere where you think you’ve got a shot at winning. The nucleus of the team is a really, really good group, good players, and that’s a big reason why I re-signed here. I think it’s a group that’s capable of winning. Like I said, once you play a little bit, that becomes first and foremost for you, as far as being where you can have a shot at winning. I’m just looking forward to doing the same kinds of things. Obviously with a new acquisition, hopefully we can score some more goals and head into the playoffs on a hot streak, work our way in to get there.’’
Question: Did you decide you didn’t want to test the free-agency market this summer?
MITCHELL: “You’re only human, you think about that a little bit, but I’ve enjoyed my time here, enjoyed my teammates, enjoyed the team. I think it’s a team that’s got a really good nucleus, that’s got a shot at winning in the next couple years. When you play a little while, that becomes first and foremost, just having a shot at the Stanley Cup. You can go that (free-agency) route, but it’s very unpredictable where you could end up. For me, I’ve played a little while and it’s all about winning. I want a Cup. I don’t have that. A couple guys around here do, and I hear the stories, I hear everything. I’ve been to the conference finals, but that’s what drives me and that’s what motivates me, on the — I wouldn’t say latter half — but the later stages of my career. That’s what I want to accomplish, and I think we’ve got some good people around here and we can get that accomplished.
“We’ve just got to win some games down the stretch here and get into the playoffs. Obviously we’re fighting with a bunch of teams, but I’ll bet you if you polled any of the top teams, if we snuck in around eighth or seventh — or even still challenging San Jose — I don’t think teams want to play us (in the first round). So we’re just looking to focus on the game here against Chicago, a team that’s obviously one of the better teams in the league. They’ve had their ups and downs this year, but we need a big win tonight and get rolling to where we should be, in the top eight. We’ve got to work for it, though, but I feel confident we’re going to do that down the stretch.’’
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BluLiner Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 10:01 am
@Real 7, I remember reading this article at the time and thinking, the Kings may have finally turned it around with quality guys like this on the team.
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KC23 Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
@Real 7, I remember thinking Mitchell must have a screw loose. It was the low point of the season right after the King’s blew a late 3rd period to Detroit. Me and puck73 were at a recent suite event at the time where we both felt the Kings would likely miss the playoffs and lose DL in the process. Part of me wanted to believe Mitchell, but my head had a real hard time wrapping my head around the notion.
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Feb.25 – Kings 4, Chicago 0
Brown’s unusual hat trick
Posted by Rich Hammond on 26 February 2012, 12:45 pm
For those who aren’t aware of the Elias Sports Bureau, they do an amazing job of finding statistical notes on players and teams, on very short notice. I have no idea how they do it, bu they’re good.
Elias came up with this note (on ESPN.com) on Dustin Brown’s hat trick last night:
“Brown’s first two goals came on L.A. power plays and his third goal was scored while the Kings were shorthanded. He’s the third player in Kings history to record a hat trick with at least one power play goal and one shorthanded goal but no even-strength tallies. The first two were Bernie Nicholls in April 1989 and Glen Murray in April 1998. Like Brown, they each scored two power play goals and one shorthanded goal.”
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Michael J. Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am
@Real 7,
If I remember right, that was Carter’s first game with the Kings.
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Terrific, Classic! Bob Miller interviews Darryl Sutter….3 parts
this is a Must See if you missed it the 1st time…
http://lakingsinsider.com/2012/02/29/bob-miller-chats-with-darryl-sutter/
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