Tomorrow, July 1, is the start of the NHL’s signing period for unrestricted free agents. Unlike in recent years — Ilya Kovalchuk, Brad Richards, etc. — the day doesn’t figure to hold a tremendous amount of drama for the Kings. The big catch on the free-agent market, certainly among forwards, is Zach Parise. Expect the Kings to at least sniff around tomorrow, and see what the market is like for Parise, but it’s expected to be astronomical. Even if the New Jersey Devils aren’t able to retain Parise — they were expected to talk today — the Minnesota Wild is expected to make a big push, and Pittsburgh and Detroit might make big pushes as well. As Dean Lombardi indicated last week, there’s a lot of money available, and Parise is likely to get a massive offer from at least one team.
Just to reiterate, yes, the Kings still have significant salary-cap room for 2012-13, but unless you believe Parise is going to accept a one-year contract — he almost certainly won’t — that cap room dries up in following seasons, when Jonathan Quick’s contract extension kicks in and when the Kings have to re-sign Dustin Brown and either re-sign or replace other key players.
The wild card here is Dustin Penner, who is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent tomorrow. Remember that, last July, the Kings had something of an understanding with free agent Simon Gagne. They took a swing at Richards but let Gagne know that if they were unsuccessful, they would want to sign him, and that’s how it played out. It wouldn’t be surprising to see something similar happen with Penner, although the Kings will also take a look at other mid-range free-agent possibilities. Shane Doan, on a short-term deal, perhaps? The nice thing, from the Kings’ perspective, is that they don’t have to reach and/or overpay on July 1. Their team is almost intact, and only requires minor tweaking, not major overhauling.
Let the Summer ice fishin’ begin !
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Doan please?!
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Eldoret Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
@Antonin,
Screw Doan
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jake1000 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
@Eldoret, NO WAY ! As a Kings fan, I don’t want this guy in our team. He’s such a sore loser. After what he did to Brown, NO TO DOAN.
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David R Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
@Antonin, no way, why? what does he bring to the team??? UN-focus?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 12:21 am
@Antonin, I sincerely hope Shane Doan is not welcome in the Kings’ locker room.
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deepsea_drumz Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 7:35 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, I like the present Kings team the way it is. Bring back Penner. He’s got size and knows his roll. They’ll get the added scoring with a healthy Simone Gagne. I can’t see them going out after Parise. Waste of $$$.
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PB Frank Reply:
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
@Antonin, I agree. Shane Doan will complete this team!
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As much as we HATE the guy, grabbing DOAN would make this team UNSTOPPABLE
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Chocolate Rain Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Chocolate Rain, We would basically have 2 Dustin Browns on the team. Who can say no to that?
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@Chocolate Rain, Who hates Doan? I certainly don’t. I think that guy is a machine, and plays a very respectable brand of hockey. However, after round 3, it’s quite possible that he hates us.
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Shuchuk Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
@tkecanuck341, he cried like a little baby throughout the butt-whoopin’ of round 3. I say make Doan earn a cup somewhere else.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@Shuchuk, Officiating through round 3 (and the rest of the playoffs for that matter) was questionable, and gave members of both teams a legitimate reason for complaint, although since the Kings won, they didn’t need to complain. I will give the guy a pass considering he apologized a few days later saying that his emotions got the best of him.
He would be a much better addition to Richards and Carter’s LW than Dustin Penner, as he plays his heart out 100% of the time he is on the ice, as opposed to Penner whose good games are few and far between.
OCKingsFan Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
@Shuchuk, +1
GMB3 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
@Shuchuk,
I agree. The Kings have no room for players like that. He lost my vote when he was talking smack to Brown during the handshakes. After 2+ decades of watching hockey I’ve never seen something like that. That’s a special tradition that should never be disrespected like that. Plus if he is on our team we won’t get to see Brown level him.
KingsATX Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
@Shuchuk, +1
Neil Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
@Shuchuk, I agree. I think Doan should not get even a look from the Kings. He is a great hockey player but this organization is better than bringing in guys who take shots at refs and pass blame on everyone else. That ship sailed with that idiot Avery.
CAA Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
@tkecanuck341, I think a major part of Penner’s poor performance stemmed from his marital problems and putting that behind him helped big-time with his effort at the end of the season and in the playoffs. I think Penner will be expected to take a pay cut but the Kings would do well to sign him.
Doan is IMO an over-rated tool
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deepsea_drumz Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am
@tkecanuck341, The playoffs are way different than the regular season. He could help L.A. but it would be a short term deal given his age. I say, if you go after a wing, he should be young enough to give the team at least five years. Also, he has to feel like he is in the (KINGS) family. I still want to see Penner resign with the Kings.
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puck73 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
@Chocolate Rain, Exactly. Put Doan on the 3rd line with King and Stoll. Put Gagne on the 2nd line with Carter and Richards, and the 4th line would be Fraser, Lewis, and whoever wants that last spot bad enough.
To me, Doan embodies everything Lombardi loves, Character, leadership, size, finish, will wear the jersey on his sleeve, and will drop the gloves if need be.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@puck73, I disagree. I would put Doan on the 2nd line. Penner was effective on that line when he played the gritty, crash the net, screen the goalie type of game that Doan specializes in. The only problem is that Penner only tried hard every 10th game or so. Doan brings his A-game all the time.
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puck73 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
@tkecanuck341, I would be ok with that as well. Lets be honest about Doan, This guy can play on ANY line and be effective! If you need skill, finish, and the ability to make a play, he can do that! If you want tough gritty, forechecking, and play along the boards, or screening in front of the net, he can do that!
Win win situation!
CB14 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
@tkecanuck341, Doan is a RW, same as Carter. puck73′s line-up makes more sense.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
@CB14, Carter is actually a center that shifted to the wing to play along side Richards. He’s already playing away from his normal position. No reason Carter can’t move to the left to allow Doan to play on the right.
Remember, Dustin Brown started off as a RW and he thrived this season/postseason on the left wing.
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
@tkecanuck341, You keep Carter on the right side for his shot. You don’t mess with that by putting him on the left.
Silence Dogood Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
@puck73, +1
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Forum67 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
@puck73, +1
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DaveinSD Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
@Chocolate Rain, this could work, we all know he wants a Cup before he retires. Let’s sign him to a year deal and we win back 2 back Cups.
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Seems A Good Fellow Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
@DaveinSD, I wouldn’t spend a penny in free agency. We have Gagne or King to play on the 2nd line and if Gagne gets hurt we have a very capable player on the bench in either Nolan or Clifford. I wouldn’t mess with the chemistry of this team.
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
@Chocolate Rain, Doan is a great fit for the Kings. No question. I’d take him in since he wouldn’t be our captain.
@tkecanuck341, The Kings won so they didn’t need to complain? Ask Drew Doughty about that last game. Doughty was actually right in his complaints. Maybe you mean they didn’t need to complain AFTER the game. I don’t care what anyone says, Doan lost it and you got to have some points knocked off his class score after that. Especially, the part in the hand shake line. Fact is Brown’s hit was mean but not dirty.
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Osaka Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
@LA_1968, Shane is a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve, it gets him in trouble sometimes or makes him look like an A-hole, but he is a guy you would love to have on your team. He is 100% a team man and will do anything for his team.
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
@Osaka, I agree 100%. Well said. I’m in favor of getting Doan after trying for Parise. I just won’t forgive him, for now, for pissing on our parade and leading his teammates to do the same. Don’t tell me it was raining though
red49er Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
@Osaka, It’s up to Brown. We think we know what was said but Brown is the one who has to be able to play %100 with and for him if Doan is going to be King. Management should get Brown’s approval or the whole chemistry thing might go out the window
Osaka Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
@Chocolate Rain, Love to Shane Doan in a Kings uniform!
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Guitpik Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 8:04 am
@Chocolate Rain, Doan would be a great addition to a tough Kings team. His style of game would fit right in. Those who have problems with him because of how the WC Championship ended, I think is kind of hypocritical. They have emotional issues about a person who had an emotional issue. Step back from the emotional side of it and consider what Doan would do for this team.
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We don’t need no FAcation …
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variable Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Duncanz,
hey….deano…leaves those ufa’s alone…(!)
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Klong Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
@variable,
All in all, there’s not a decent ufa in the bunch
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Klong Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
@variable,
All in all there’s not a good fit on Deans wall…..
I like that better
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Save, Hrudey! Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
@variable,
All in all, we’re just a….Stanley Cup Champ!
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Duncanz Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
@variable,
No Doan sarcasm in the locker room …
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
@Duncanz, Right! Especially since we have Coach Sutter who won’t let anyone in the room be satisfied with the past.
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Nice read Rich!
My feeling between now & the 25th July, DL will get a lot offers for JB once the Suter, Prasie, Luongo, & Nash is done!
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Sammuch Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@Sammuch,
Oh! Martin too!
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What’s the news with our current RFAs? I know their qualifying offers have to be delivered prior to July 1st to avoid the Chicago fiasco from a few years back, but is there any new news on that front? It would be nice to know if Dwight King is just going to get the minimum raise (10%) or if he will be rewarded for his good postseason play. More importantly, the uncertainty is screwing up my salary cap math for the next few years!
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I would trade Penner money for Parise dough. If it can be done for a reasonable amount I say take a swing. I don’t think reasonable is in the cards this year, but go up to the plate and take a cut. A final thought, I just can get used to the phrase: “The Minnesota Wild is…” Anyone else?
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Krusher Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@Krusher, That “can” should be “can’t”, damn me for hitting Submit before I proof read.
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Dude we don’t need Gagne! If we needed to trade Gagne and go try to sign Parise! If you are really greedy try and sign suter as well and trade Scuderi’s contract away…it is worth it to at least see if these guys are willing to take a little less to sign with a contender
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puck73 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@OCKingsFan, Trade Scuderi away? Unbelievable. They dont call this guy “The piece” for nothing. The things that Rob Scuderi brings to your hockey club, you will never find on any stat sheet. His hockey IQ, the way he usese angles, and the way he elevates his play in the post season make him valuble.
Rob Scuderi is a glue guy, The defensive chemistry on our team is solid….leave it alone!
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Itchy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
@puck73,
Yeah, pair off DD with anybody else and find out what happens when he pinches and the puke goes 200 feet the other way without Scuds.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
@Itchy, … pukey..
Itchy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@Itchy,
Would say pun intended but that was just a good ol’ typo.
DavidR. Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
@puck73, I agreed with you, leave the DEFENSE alone!
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MM Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
@OCKingsFan, This isn’t a video game where you just trade players for others with better overall ratings. Scuderi brings so much more to the team that he doesn’t get credit for.
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Orphios Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
@MM, exactly in the mold of Nordstrom or Miller – you need these guys to help balance the puck movers and to pk with.
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Save, Hrudey! Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@Orphios,
Always thought highly of Aaron Miller.
Equally so with Scuds. Keep him as long as his heart beats.
red49er Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 9:44 am
@Orphios, for a second the only Miller I could think of was Jay.
toughd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
@OCKingsFan, inho, scuds is not as good defensively as Nordstrom or Miller. there are better defensive dmen than scuds out there.
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PRMan Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 5:03 am
@toughd, So far, Scuderi has won 2 more Cups than Norstrom or Miller. The only better defense dman than Scuderi is Willie Mitchell because Lidstrom just retired.
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Rich madw a great point – we have money this year, but won’t have any the following few years. Quicks new deal will take all of Gagne’s money along with more than half of Penners, plus the new deal for Brown next. We don’t have a Ryan Smyth contract that we can dump. Even if we stand pat and either sign Penner or replace him, we are fine and need to trust DL amd the crew.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@DesertKing, I think you are forgetting that Quick’s new salary of $5.8 million is not a raise of $5.8 million. You have to factor in the $1.8 million that he currently makes. So he is actually only getting an extra $4 million per season. That means he really only takes all of Gagne’s and $500k of Penner’s.
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Shakes Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
@tkecanuck341, Simple but great point
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DesertKing Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@tkecanuck341,
1.8 mllion aint gonna get you Parise, Nasb Doan or anyone else.
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Shawn in Arizona Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@DesertKing,
Quick’s new contract starts in the 2013/14 season so how does Gagne play in to this? Also, Ggane will likely not be back after this season–
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
@Shawn in Arizona, I think he means in terms of space towards the cap. Since Gagne’s contract drops off the books at the end of next season, and Quick’s starts immediately after, there is no cap room to be gained by Gagne going away. Excepting Rob Scuderi (who I hope to holy hell we extend beyond next season), we don’t drop any other big contracts off the books, so any additional players that we sign will be net increases to our overall salary. That’s what I got from DesertKing’s comment.
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DesertKing Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
@tkecanuck341,
Nailed it, thanks!
Yes.
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Parise is going to take big money and years, and he is already likely starting into his declining skills phase of his career (not that he wont be good, just that over the course of the contract he isn’t likely to be worth what it will take to sign him). Our two weakest players were Voynov and Richardson. Those are the guys we need to shore up. And we have to replace Penner if DL doesn’t want to (or can’t) bring him back. Doan would be great, but I think there is going to be a lot of money chasing him. I’d love to see us get a good defenseman who could move the puck, and thus provide some insurance on the blue line. An injury there and we are short. So maybe a Matt Carle or a Jason Garrison? Of course DL is brilliant, and I will be happy with whatever he brings–even nothing!
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CB14 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
@DodgerDog, Both Carle and Garrison are going to get majorly overpaid to the tune of 5 years 27 million. Did you see what Dennis Wideman got? There’s a ton of cap space out there with few quality players to take it. Dean will stay away from those 2 guys.
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DodgerDog Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
CB14, fair points. Wideman’s deal WAS huge. Mostly It’s probably just wishful thinking that more of that money gets soaked up on the higher profile guys.
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
@DodgerDog, Parise is 27 yrs old….he’s heading into his best years. Voynov was one of our weakest players? Not sure what you were watching. Either way, he’s an RFA next summer so he’ll be dealt with then. Richardson was replaced by a concussed Gagne, I doubt the Kings are going to make much fuss about bringing him back. He’s a UFA next summer and will likely be gone.
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Geekonomist Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
@cup4kings, Voynov has a huge amount of potential, but out of all our players, he made the most mistakes in the playoffs, even scoring on Quick while trying to get the puck out of the crease. Also, he loses the puck in too many battles and probably turns the puck over more than any other D-Man.
These are all illnesses that experience is the cure for. No team will ever be perfect, there will always be younger guys in the process of becoming grizzled veterans. Voynov could very well play at Scuderi or Mithcell’s level someday, but he’s still a young D-man who plays a solid game, but not a superstar game.
He and Martinez could both be argued to be our weakest D-men. I consider Voynov our weakest player in the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean they were bad! It just means that everyone else played that much more impressively.
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In the Net Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
@Geekonomist, The fact that Voynov and Martinez are the weakest defensemen speaks to the point exactly! They’d be 2nd and 3rd best on most teams. Don’t screw with the defense.
CAA Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
@Geekonomist, Voynov just needs time and experience. But the truth be told, I’d still rather have JMFJ that Voynov. Jack’s got a wicked slap shot and a mean streak and you can’t teach talent like that
Geekonomist Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 1:31 am
@CAA, but would you rather have Voynov AND Jeff Carter than JMFJ? Because that trade put up far more points in less games than JMFJ did.
red49er Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
@Geekonomist, Voynov is on his way to being a superstar. his sense of timing in the offensive zone is natural. he is good in his own zone and will get better when he get more beef on him
DodgerDog Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
@cup4kings, Players peak at about 27 give or take a year or so, and Parise’s point totals are now in a three year decline (excluding his injury year). So, if he requires a ~6 year deal at a big number, he is a huge risk to not live up to it. (I am not saying he wont be a good player). As to Voynov, he does turn the puck over more than any other D-man and in the playoffs teams had more scoring chances against us when he was on the ice (there was a terrific article documenting this at NHLnumbers.com right after the Finals). I do think he has a good deal of potential, and there is no reason not to give him plenty of time during the season to see how he adjusts, but he is clearly our weakest D right now.
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ringo Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
@DodgerDog, voynov weak….huh…?????
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DavidR. Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
@DodgerDog, Voynov was a rookie. I thought he had a good year. He hasn’t hit his prime year, yet, years away. We need to keep him since he learned quite a bit from our veteran defenseman.
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wes Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
@DodgerDog, Have to agree that Voynov made a lot of mistakes in the regular season and the post season; more big and glaring mistakes than anyone in the LAK D-corps. Probably more mishaps than anyone on the team. But he’s a kid with plenty of obvious up-side. And he’s been disappointed with himself, motivated to improve. The Kings are not going to cut him loose. The opinion that the Kings could use “a good defenseman who could move the puck” is a tough one to agree with. He’s why Lombardi felt comfortable dealing Jack Johnson. No one need be in a hurray to tweak this D-corps at the moment, it’s solid and deep. I feel bad for Davis Drewiske, He gets little respect– little notice, more precisely– and even less game appearances, but he’d be a top-4 D-man on a lot of teams if given the opportunity. At the moment, I just want Lombardi to re-up Dwight King. The Kings just don’t _need_ any of the high-profile UFAs in the way that many other teams do, so Lombardi may make his play, but don’t expect him to push any bidding wars to the wall. If “it ain’t broke” be very careful how you fix it.
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What’s the difference between this season and previous seasons in terms of the off season? THE KINGS WON THE CUP
Dean Lombardi wheeled and dealed himself a Stanley Cup champion team and now very few people will second guess his rationale. The other important factor is that the Kings have finally shed the moniker of a team that’s always re-building (totally unwarranted of course) by winning it all.
In other words, the club is in a much better bargaining position because of the results. Now players will consider that they CAN win the cup in Los Angeles which gives DL much better leverage negotiating.
I can hear it now: PLAYER: “I’ll take x amount and x amount of years, no less” DL ” Great. Enjoy that Minneapolis weather and finishing 9th for the next 5 years while we win 2 more cups”
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Shuchuk Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
@SavebyQuick, it’s a lot easier to sell your product/philosophy when you can point to the results and say “see, this works”.
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As much as I would love to have Parise on the Kings, I just don’t see it happening. The offers that will come in from probably half the NHL are going to elevate his worth. They’d be smarter to bring back Penner at $3 mil/yr, give Dwight King and extension ($1-1.5 mil/yr), and have plenty of cash next summer for their UFA (Scuderi), RFAs (Voynov, Martinez, Nolan, Lewis, Clifford), and giving Brown his well deserved extension.
With that said, Parise on the Kings would be sick. Almost unfair. Playing along side Richards and Carter? And that’s the Kings second line.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@cup4kings, I think King is going to get the standard RFA raise of 10%. He came in and played well for a few months, but has yet to prove that he can be consistent. JMFJ signed a RFA contract for only $1.45 million/year after 2 full seasons with the Kings. If King continues to thrive in the lineup, then they will give him a negotiated contract when he is up for RFA again in 2 years.
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
@tkecanuck341, Keep in mind that he’s a free agent. 10% increase would be great, but another team can make him an offer starting tomorrow. The Kings can obviously match. And in your scenerio, if we only tender King than he becomes a UFA next summer. King has serious potential in my opinion and the Kings shouldn’t let that happen. Keep in mind King was one goal away from setting the rookie record in the playoffs (5 goals, 3 assists in 20 games) and had 5 goals and 9 assists in only 27 games after getting called up in the regular season. He also played well at LW with Richards and Carter and in all likelihood should be praised for motivating Penner once he was moved up to that line.
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CB14 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@cup4kings, I like King just as much as you do, but it’s extremely rare for anyone to offer a contract to a RFA. DD didn’t get one, neither did Stamkos, so I doubt King would get one. And i’m pretty sure King doesn’t become a UFA for at least another 4 years.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
@cup4kings, I don’t think anyone would risk throwing a offer sheet on an unproven player like King. Don’t get me wrong, he has potential and I have high hopes for the kid, but since offer sheets are frowned upon by most GMs, I don’t think anyone risks pissing off Lombardi to take a shot at King.
Also, why would King be a UFA next summer? He’s 22, and he can elect a 1-year or 2-year contract at the qualifying offer amount to follow up his entry level contract. That gets him to 24 years old if he takes the 2-year offer. In order to be a UFA, you have to qualify for group 3 or group 6 UFA. To qualify for group 3, he’d have to be at least 27. To qualify for group 6, he’d have to be at least 25 and have less than 80 NHL games under his belt. He doesn’t qualify for either.
He’s was already sent a qualifying offer on June 20, and I don’t see the Kings giving him any more.
cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
@CB14, Doesn’t become a UFA for at leats 4 yrs?? Where do you get that. King is an RFA this summer meaning that his entry level contract is over. If the Kings simply tender his offer (10% increase) he plays out this year and is a UFA next summer. He doesn’t stay an RFA for another 3 yrs. Not to mention, King can decline that 10% increase and stay an RFA and test the market starting tomorrow…which he’ll do for sure.
“Players who earned less than $660,000 in the previous season must be offered 110 percent of last season’s salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent.
If the qualifying offer is not made, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.
If the player rejects a qualifying offer, he remains a restricted free agent.”
cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
I stand corrected. I just looked up the Group Free Agency and both of you are right. Group 3 UFA is for players 25 or older, otherwise as long as a team tenders an RFA under 25 then they remain an RFA until that age. King is 22 (turns 23 next week, 7/5). So Kings have him for at least 2 more years cheap. That’s actually great news for the Kings….depending on the new CBA and if they change any of that of course.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
@cup4kings, Almost right. Group 3 UFA is for players 27 and older. Players could technically qualify for Group 3 at age 26, but they would have to have played at least 1 NHL game in every season since their draft year. Group 6 is for players 25 and over, with the condition that they have played in 80 or fewer NHL games in their career. This allows players that haven’t gotten a chance in the NHL for a particular club to try their chances with another club 2 years early.
cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
From Wicipedia:
On July 1 of a given year, the following players become unrestricted free agents, free to sign with any team without compensation to the former team.
1.Group 3 free agents: Players who have reached age 27, or have 7 accrued years of NHL experience, whose contracts have expired
2.Group 6 free agents (must be elected by the player): Players who have reached age 25, who have 3 accrued years of professional experience (that is, beyond junior or collegiate hockey), and whose contracts have expired, but have played less than: 1.80 NHL games played for forwards and defensemen.
2.28 NHL games played for goaltenders.
3.Players whose contracts have been bought out by their former team.
4.Players who do not meet either Group 3 or Group 6 requirements, but who have not been tendered a contract offer by the Monday after the NHL Entry Draft or June 25 (whichever is later).
All other players are Group 2 restricted free agents. (See the next section.)
cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Might be easier to post website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_salary_cap
Save, Hrudey! Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
@cup4kings,
Nice………”And that’s our SECOND line!”
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Will kings trade Bernier? He needs to be a starting net minder somewhere. He’s too good to sit and back up. He’s got to have some value in a trade. Nash??
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Bernier, Penner, & Parse for Nash??????
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Cry Baby Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
@Kings4ever, That’s an awesome deal…trade two UFA’s (impossible) and a back up goalie for one of the leagues premier power forwards. You’ve got Columbus chomping a the bit for that one!
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I doubt Shane Doan is an option. He plays RW, so he would have to be relagated to the Kings 3rd line. Also given the way the series ended with Phoenix last year, I don’t see Doan willing to come to LA. The LW on Phoenix, Ray Whitney (23 goals, 53 assists, 77 pts), is an option though. The Kings have a greater need at LW with the uncertainity of Penner coming back, Gagne as fragile as he is, and King being an RFA.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
@cup4kings, Guess who else plays RW? Dustin Brown. That is until this season when he got moved to the left and absolutely destroyed the playoffs. Guess who isn’t a natural RW? Jeff Carter. He’s a natural center that shifted to the RW to play on Richards’s wing. Why can’t he move to the left side?
If you look at the Kings forwards, Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Stoll, Lewis, Nolan, Richardson, and Loktionov are all natural centers. Not all of them play center. The Kings have shown that they’re able to be effective to play in other positions.
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
@tkecanuck341, I get it, the Kings have a lot of players playing outside their normal positions. I’m talking about Doan considering the Kings. You’re asking a UFA to come to your team, play outside of his position and be on the 3rd line. Doesn’t make sense. Doan will have plenty of suitors that will have him play his natural position on their top 2 lines. And why would the Kings go after a free egent and make that person go play another position? If they need a LW, makes more sense for them to go after a LW.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
@cup4kings, I didn’t say that. Leave Doan at RW. Move Carter to LW. Problem solved.
cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
@thecanuck341, We’ll have to agree to disagree
Noe you’re moving Carter to LW from his natural C position when he succeeded at switching to RW last year. Not sure messing with Carter to bring in Doan is the answer.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
@cup4kings, I’m not suggesting that we do sign Doan. I think there are other more viable alternatives out there. I am just simply saying that we shouldn’t exclude him as “not an option.”
Royal Family L.A. Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
@cup4kings, Anyone else thinking/liking Teemu (If you don’t believe the Finnish media)? LW, 1 year contract. A long shot… but I like it.
cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@Royal Family, I’d love to have Teemu on the Kings but there’s probably a .00001% chance. It’s Ducks or retire for him.
ToughD Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 12:51 am
@cup4kings, true that. Doan’s a top performer UFA and plays in all situations, probably won’t accept 3rd line. I say top line for a season or so (move Brownie to 3rd), then 3rd line…he will be 36 this upcoming season afterall. It’s tough because with him you are paying for what he has done, not what he is going to do. His stats will definitely take a hit when he is on the 3rd line.
toughd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
@tkecanuck341, yeah centers are the way to go.
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Kenny44 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
@cup4kings,
I can picture Shane Doan reading this stuff and yelling at his computer (to the tune of Keanu Reeves in Point Break):
I! AM! A PHOENIX! CRYOTE!
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i’d be surprised if we made any big moves, too…
i think we have a better shot luring doan and/or whitney than anyone else….
doan would be a tremendous addition and solve the penner situation….
don’t be surprised if the kings go after p.a. parenteau….he’s an affordable top 6/9 if the wangers don’t make him an offer he can’t refuse….
besides parise and weber….not may top-level ufa’s out there…
so perhaps someone gets desperate and makes a huge offer for jb….
the kings can’t really afford to have 5-7 $5+ million dollar players on their roster…
tomorrow should be fun to watch, but maybe not so riveting….
nash = 50/50 to be moved…
parise will probably staying, going to minny or detroit….perhaps even the flyers…i just don’t see dl giving him $7mil per for 6-8 years….doesn’t make sense for us when it come to holding on to future ufa’s in the coming years…
maybe penner…(???)…is not such a bad option after all, if he’s willing to take $2.5 for one year and maybe a club option for a second if he’s plays like a big stack instead of a short stack…(?)
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CB14 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
@variable, You confused Weber and Suter. How about a 12 year, 72 million dollar deal for ZP? 6 mil cap hit might work. Dean’s clearly not afraid of double digit contract lengths. We’ve already got 3, what’s 1 more?
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variable Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
@CB14,
yes i did…thanks…but detroit might even trade for weber….
but thanks for correcting me…:)
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I say don’t mess with this team. Second best team in NHL playoff history. Even resign Penner at 2.5 with production bonus. Why mess with chemistry? You are not going to get a big name for cheap and might not work out anyway. I think DL said just get a little more out of everybody (read this as consistently playing like they did in playoffs) and I think that we can repeat. How many championship teams have come back intact? And the few that did (i.e. Lakers) DID repeat. My bet is that DL will pick up maybe one or two players at the right price and that is all we need for next year.
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
@Doc Allen, Not to mention you have a full year with Carter, King and Nolan in the lineup.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@Doc Allen, The only way I would even consider resigning Penner is if it was a two-way contract to where he was making $55k/year if he got demoted to the AHL. Then, when he sucks so bad to the point where no one will even take him off the waiver wire, he’s making less normal-person money playing for the Monarchs. Maybe that will motivate him to lay off the pancakes and get into shape.
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Seems A Good Fellow Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
@Doc Allen, 100% agreed and to be honest, it would not suprise me if we didn’t pick up a single player. Nobody on this team did themselves disservice in the playoffs so why pick up a 3rd or 4th line player and send Nolan, King or Clifford to the pressbox or Manchester. These guys played great on the biggest stage with the most pressure and excelled! We have depth on the farm so I say just roll with what we have!
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Optomistic Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
@Seems A Good Fellow, Why change a team that has that ever elusive factor—chemistry!And that includes Penner. Would he take 2 mil and 2 years? That’s up to DL.I cannot see Parise on the 3rd line nor Doan nor anyone else that may be available at an exorbitant amount. If Penner plays like he did in the playoffs, we’ll have the Quacky Penner who Edmonton coveted.There will be too man current good guys needing raises next year. As to Vonov, yes, he made quite a few blunders but they were outweighed b the good things he did..like fast puck movement.
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LyonLA Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
@Doc Allen, I do like the sound of a production bonus in Penner’s deal. I want him to stick around, but it also needs to be clear that a repeat of last seasons base level of play will cost him dearly.
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laikaloco Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
@LyonLA, Production bonuses aren’t allowed under the current CBA.
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Going after Parise isn’t all that bad in terms of Cap Space that Hammonds suggest. Although I don’t think it will happen and it would be better for the Kings if they just brought Penner back (read my post above), but here’s the logic. Kings have $11.9 mil in Cap space without Penner and King’s contract right now. King won’t get much, maybe $1.5 mil at the most. You subtract Penner’s potential $3 mil contract he’ll probably get and add in Parise’s $7 mil….Kings still have $3-4 mil in cap space. Next summer, you have Gagne ($3.5 mil) and Richardson ($1.175 mil) coming off the books which erases Quick’s increase from $1.8 mil to $5.8 mil. Bernier will likely be gone, so the backup will be getting less than $1.25 mil. Bottom line, you’ll have probably about $5 mil with the current cap (that’s another story) to give increases to Voynov ($820K), Martinez ($740K), Nolan ($540K), Lewis ($725K), Clifford ($870K), and most likely just extend Scuderi and his $3.5 mil salary. Keep in mind all these contract numbers are figured into the salary cap already, so it’s just the increases in their next contract. Kings have the room to bring on Parise and keep the team in tact.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
@cup4kings, This assumes that the current CBA model stays in place. No one believes that the cap is actually going to be $70.2 million for 2012-13 and that it will increase beyond that next season. I’m betting that the cap will be in the $62-65 range for this season and in the $65-68 million range next season. If it’s any more than that, Donald Fehr sucks at his job.
I made a fancy spreadsheet at work the other day that inked Parise at $7.5 million, resigned Scuderi at $3.4 million, dumped Gagne and Richardson, filled in the empty roster spots with the Kings top Manchester prospects (Toffoli, Vey, & Forbort), and gave all the RFAs their minimum raises, We came in about $3.3 million over the salary cap of a 54% revenue sharing model for 2013-2014.
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
@tkecanuck341, Interesting….and yea, everything is up in the air with the new CBA. I have a hard time believing that the NHL would allow teams to spend up to $70.2 this summer then decrease it to $65 mil. I’m sure it would be staggered out to allow teams to get back down if they do decrease it significantly. And to be honest, I owe you an apology since I looked up Group Free Agency and you were right about King. But that’s great news next summwer with our young RFAs. Voynov will definitely get a new contract, other teams will go after him. Martinez will be 25 so he’ll get an increase. Lewis, Clifford, and Nolan will be interesting…probably just tender them. I don’t know, my math says it could work with going after Parise. Kings would be wise not getting into a bidding war though, especially if the cap hit is more than $7 mil.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
@cup4kings, No apology necessary. I learned it for the first time a while ago. I imagine what will happen is that they will provide an exception for this season for teams that are over the salary cap at the time the CBA is signed. However, they will most likely require all teams to be back in line for next season, which is when we will have our problem.
If we can get Parise for under $7 million, then I say go for it, although it will most likely mean that we won’t be able to bring back Scuderi. Considering our defensive prospect depth and our lack of LW prospect depth, I would be ok with that. We could probably bring a good, young, and inexpensive defensive defenseman prospect back to fill in when we trade Bernier.
CB14 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
@tkecanuck341, I don’t see any way Dean would give Parise a contract with a 7.5 million cap hit, another team might, but not Dean. Only way he signs here is with a cap hit in the mid 6′s. I mentioned above a 12 year 72 million dollar deal. Similar to what Dean offered Kovi.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
@CB14, I agree. I don’t see Parise taking less than 7.5 million, and I don’t see the Kings giving more than around $6.75. Therefore I don’t see Parise coming to the Kings.
Sammuch Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
@tkecanuck341,
I so agree with you, DL is going let go some lower paid players go, we have a lot D prospects who will make this team 2 years from now when Mitch will retire, Scud will be let go! Green will last another 4 years…
Offensive prospect will either make the team or be traded for draft picks 2 years from now!
All of a sudden we win the cup & we stop thinking DL believes in the core & some of these prospects are part of new core to come! That’s how DL is working this… Contracts come up some be let go & prospect with big upside will stay & some will be traded!
This team will have a whole different look 3 years from now because of these contracts…
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Hey Dean, if you’re really serious about scouting I got a future prospect for ya!
(The little one, not the big one)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7470411688_a329672f58_b.jpg
Haha!
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variable Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
@Itchy,
i’d sign him to a three year, unlimited gerber deal…:)
cute kind…(!)
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variable Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
@variable,
Kind…?
“kid”….
oy…sorry…:)
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Itchy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
@variable,
Thanks, it’s my sister’s kid… doesn’t know how to count yet so they could probably get a purdy dang good deal!
hehe…
watch the kings make a trade with elias…(jk)
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RoyalPain Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
@variable,
Second rounder and a puck.
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Brown-Kopitar-Williams, Gagne-Richards-Carter, King-Stoll-Lewis, Clifford-Fraser-Nolan, Richardson and Westgarth as spares, Scuderi-Doughty, Mitchell-Voynov, Martinez-Greene, Drewiske as a spare, Quick-Bernier. DON’T SIGN ANYONE ELSE. Including Penner. No room. They don’t need anyone and if they don’t sign anyone, it leaves them with the cap space going forward to keep all the key members of this team. They’re already losing some of their top prospects (Bernier and Hickey have reportedly asked for trades, Loktionov’s reportedly on the trading block, they lost Moller to Europe — and Holloway and Azevedo, although I don’t know how much NHL potential they had) because they don’t have room for them. If something happens (*cough* Gagne gets hurt *cough*), they can always call up a guy like Loktionov (if he isn’t traded), Toffoli, Kozun, etc. and if that doesn’t work, they’ll have the cap space and assets to make a trade. Dean, for the love of God, just sleep in tomorrow. I will shoot myself if I hear they’re going after someone, especially if it’s Parise.
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One87Money Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
@Zamboni,
I’m with you on that.
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Itchy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@Zamboni,
Why you got B-Rad as a spare? Put him in that fantasy hockey roster.
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Zamboni Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 9:40 am
@Itchy, Only because there’s no room for him. Who do you take out?
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Itchy Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
@Zamboni,
I’ve been trying to take Heidi out for years… she wont return my calls.
Personally, I’m not interested in adding Parise. I’d rather keep Penner around. I thought our waves of size is was what pushed this team above all the others and won the Cup. It was the layers of size, line to line, that really overwhelmed teams. Other teams have big guys, but NO ONE had big guys on EVERY line, and multiple big guys on lines like we have. Penner added to this above everyone else, seeing as he was the biggest, and it doesn’t hurt that he has soft hands and a good sense for the game offensively. I know, like everyone else, that he had issues during the regular season, but I think he will probably have a better year this year, and if he leaves, we will wind up missing what he brings to this team.
As for Doan, I’d probably pass on him too, unless it was to take Gagne’s or Richardson’s place.
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Doan was most effective player the KIngs faced in the playoffs He has a bucketload of heart. SIGN HIM!
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Personally, I don’t want to take a chance on Gagne. As much as I admire his abilities, his concussions are a huge liability to whatever team he’s with. Just like Sydney Crosby, Pittsburgh is willing to bet the ranch on a fantastic player who is one hit away from the end of his career. I would be much more willing to pay Penns 2.5-3 mil betting that his motivation is high for continuing his play he showed during the playoff run. In my opinion, he is the better gamble.
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
@plywood, Gagne is with the Kings no matter what, he’s signed next year at $3.5 mil. Unless he retires which I doubt he’ll do, Kings are stuck with him.
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plywood Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
@cup4kings, He hinted shortly after the Cup that he might just do that.
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PurpleRocks Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
@plywood, Really? Where did you hear that at? I heard two interviews where he said he was coming back. But after some time off to think about it and talking with his family maybe he will change his mind. I guess time will tell.
plywood Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@plywood, @purple rocks–It was written in the blog shortly after we won the Cup. Too much to go back and find but he stated that he was concerned about his health.
Doan is a Coyote TODAY, we do NOT like him… If by the time the season were to start and he were to be a KING… Then he would be welcomed with open arms to the family… Same goes for anyone the Kings pickup. And if not then we just crush them next season and make them pay for the lack of straight minded thinking.
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Dean, watch the motion of the watch. Follow it back and forth. Relax. Breathe in and out. Your eyes are getting heavy. When you wake you will go to your car and drive until you get lost in the woods. For a few days. Make it three, should be safe enough. Then you can come back home. Now, when I reach 1 you will wake. 10…….9…..8……7……
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
@Michael G, Good logic. Didn’t we just win a cup?
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Hopefully not; If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Don’t sign any free agents or trade any players; just resign Penner. Keep the team that won the championship intact!
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CAA Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@Kingsfaninmonterey, Finally – someone else who says Keep Penner. I said it before, I really believe the majority of Penner’s issues were personal (impending divorce) and I think the Carter / Richards partnership helped big time.
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To touch on what @cup4kings wrote, I don’t see it being a problem by going after Parise. That would lock up our top 7 forwards, 2 defensemen, and goalie for the next 2 seasons. Right now we’ve got a little under 12 million in cap space. At most, Parise and King combined would take up 8 million, leaving 4 million to spare. Quick’s raise next year gets covered by Gagne and Richardson not returning, and filling their spots with lesser paid players. Remember, these are bottom 6 forwards we’re replacing, not top 6 guys. Bring back Scuds with a similar cap hit, like we did with WM. VV and AM are the only 2 RFA’s who would recieve more than a standard 10% raise. 1.5 per year for 3 years sounds about right. Even with their raises we’re only talking about a 1.5 million dollar increase total between the two since they both make about 750,000 right now. Trevor Lewis, Kyle Clifford, and Jordan Nolan all get standard 10% raises. If someone wants to make them an offer sheet, fine, let them walk and take the draft pick(s) in return.
All of those numbers are based on the salary cap staying the same. If it increases, it makes our cap situation even better. If not, either trade Stoll and replace him with CF or TL. Or you could also let Scuds walk and replace him with a youngster like Muzzin, Hickey, or Forbort.
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
@CB14, I agree. If it happens, I’ll be very happy. Logically, I don’t think it happens and I’ll be just as happy. Kings are in a good situation! They can sit back, check out what the new CBA looks like, bring back the same team, and chase free agents next year.
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Save, Hrudey! Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
@CB14,
Muzzin and Hickey are NO Scuderis.
Forbort is still a year or two in the AHL away once he finishes his collegiate career.
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CB14 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
@Save, Hrudey!, True, but we’ve still got DD, WM, MG, AM, and VV. Tht’s still a formidable defensive group. Besides, Letting Scuds walk would be my second choice. My first choice was to trade Stoll.
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Geekonomist Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 1:59 am
@CB14, The thing that seems to get overlooked a lot is the fact that the salary cap is a limit, not a goal. If Dean can keep the team intact and have $X millions of dollars in space left and we win the Cup again, that’s $X of extra profit the team pulls in. It’s a business, and you spend what you need to in order to get the job done. You don’t scramble to spend as much money as you’re legally allowed.
Anyways, just a thought that may or may not actually affect the way GM’s think.
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Regarding Doan, from what I saw in the playoffs, I would not want him on the team. However, if Brown wants him and welcomed him to the team, I would be good with that. The locker room is where it matters the most.
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On an unrelated note….because hating the ducks is almost as fun as loving the Kings, this story is great. That kid totally screwed the Ducks over: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399611
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CB14 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
@paige, The Oil could become dangerous in 3 or 4 years. I expect them to close that loophole in the new CBA.
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
@paige, Poor Duckies….hahahaha
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2013 UFAS: In case the Kings just sleep in tomorrow, and you were wondering what the 2013 UFAs looked like for next summer here’s the link below. Gagne will be gone, there’s $3.5 mil. Anyone that would look good in a Kings uniform?
http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2013&team_id=-1&position_id=-1&fa_type_id=2
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Itchy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@cup4kings,
Yeah, I like…
Scuderi
Richardson
Drewiske
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
@Itchy
Ha, nice! But I actually only like Scuderi on that list of yours.
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KindSir Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
@cup4kings, Corey Perry would be amazing. As much as I hate him for being a smuck, I would love him on the Kings
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Jack Aubrey Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
@KindSir, Barf.
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Read most of the above. Here are my thoughts:
Parise: unlikely, but worth asking, maybe just maybe he’ll take less to play for a Stanley Cup Winner (wow I’m still not getting used to the sound of that)
Penner: Worth 2 million, not too much more. Not a critical piece.
Gagne: Hope he feels up to playing on the 2nd line but can’t really be counted on.
Doan: I just don’t want him here after his shenanigans. I don’t doubt he helps a team. Let it be some other one.
Whitney: Surprised not to hear more mention of him. A LW and exactly the kind of player that fits right on here.
Suter: Where would you put him? And the same goes for any defenseman. And NO we are not (or should not) be moving VV or Scuderi. Just take a long look at the several prospects we have as a potential 7th. If none are ready (which also is hard to believe) still there is nothing wrong with DD “whiskey”.
Bernier: I don’t see that (and I know I disagree with many here) that we NEED to trade him. Yes, the day may, (ok probably will) come that he gets very unhappy here and will have no value to us unless he is moved. WE AREN’T THERE YET. He only has about 40 GAMES of NHL experience. Nothing wrong with some insurance at the most important position in Hockey. We can well afford it.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
@HockeyNerd, Apparently Bernier has asked to be traded.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
@tkecanuck341, And “Apparently” Dustin Brown was offered at the last trade deadline too. I’ve learned not to put much trust in rumors especially in THIS sport. Even if true, unless and until that request is granted he’s still a King and is still pretty cheap insurance against something happening to Quick.
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Itchy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Yo dawg… we, like, NEED Bernie Burns. What happens if we have to play the predators any time soon?
Kenny44 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Penner is such a tough call. I think we have to let him walk if he gets a crazy offer, but if he’s willing to play ball it would be hard to lose that piece of that line. I thought that Penner was an impact player in the playoffs. He created lots of space for Richards and Carter in the O zone, something Gagne would not be able to do. Gagne would make that line better on the rush, but the Richards-Carter-Gagne would either be much more of a perimeter group or be dangerously fragile playing in the dirty areas. Neither Gagne nor Penner are reliable there for a full season, but at this point I see Penner as a safer bet.
And from a fan’s perspective, I enjoy watching Penner when he plays his game and I can hardly bear to watch when Gagne’s out there in fear for his health. If Penner slacks off, we have some noobs to try out and should have cap room for a deadline deal, if need be.
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toughd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@HockeyNerd, whitney just say no. exactly the player we don’t need. plus we still got gagne. we will get zilch for bernier, unproven backup goalies dont go 4 much.
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I agree with Bernier. From what I’m hearing the Kings aren’t getting the offer they want. Let him play next year. He could give Quick some much needed relief and lighter work load. I’m sure the Kings will get calls by the trade deadline…if not, at the draft….and if that fails, he’s still an RFA and the Kings would get compensation if he signs elsewhere depending on the contract. Kings definitely do not need to give him away this summer.
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laikaloco Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
@cup4kings, That’s because there is currently no market for Bernier, except Toronto if they don’t get Luongo. And Columbus pretty much set the market for “backups with starter potential”…two 2nds and a 4th. I’d take that for JB, but it’s not something we HAVE to do.
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NJ signs Parise and Suter, trades Kovelchuk to the Kings for Bernier and Gagne. Wow, I can write for hockey buzz too!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
@Pesus, Exactly!
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Mike in Oregon Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
@Pesus, Wow EK is gonna have that as a headline tonight!
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the kings arent going to get parise people ………. hes a year removed now from his knee injury and is only going to get better and better for the next few years ……. teams know this and they will be willing to break the bank for him as he has always been highly regarded ever since he came into the league as a rookie …….. 10 years , 75 million is not out of the question ……. so lets move on people ….. this is after all ….. unrestricted free agency ……. and the crazy contracts happen every time …… teams cant help themselves …….. just look at brad richards …. hes an overrated player …… played allright his first year with the rangers and will now be in his 30s ……. hes already showing signs of slowing as most all players do once they hit their 30s …….. the rangers wont be able to give him away in a year or two because of his ridiculous contract ……. thank god we did not get him
as for doan and whitney ………… i mean doan will be 36 next season and whitney 40 or 41 or whatever it is …………. i respect both players and think they were great , but with those ages , i think we should pass ….. we do not need another ryan smyth type player ….. i just dont like mid thirties and up type players ….. yes whitney and selanne are 40 year old freaks – no doubt , but doan and whitney are probably going to fall off a cliff any day now ……….. so why take that gamble …. remember lombardi wanted 35 year old knuble because he was great , but i didnt because of his age ….. so thankfully knuble went to washington and turned us down …… and knuble feel off a cliff and was a complete bust in washington and is now either out of the league or on the verge of being out of the league
if we get somebody ……. i think pa parenteau may be worth taking a shot at ….. whenever i watch the isles play , that guy has got some spunk and hands to boot , and he is still young enough to not be as much of a risk as doan ….. i think he is 29 ………………….
anyways , it will be interesting …………. lets not bring penner back , especially since dean said he will require wrist surgery …… i didnt want him back in the first place , but that news should cinch it for everybody …………….. and yeah , bernier trade can always bring us another player if nothing works out in free agency , although i think lombardi may just want to get a first rounder for him ………. so we will see ………. just standing pat and letting penner go and only getting a first rounder for bernier is not so bad because gagne or king can easily play on that second line ….. anyways …… it will be fun ….. i cant wait for tomorrow to see what happens
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Only viable options are either Whitney or Doan for a year. But of course I am not the GM.
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Bingram Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
@Who Knows?,
Ray Whitney was a great acquisition for the Cryotes, but isn’t he 40 years old. Have just won the cup I hope Kings would be more interested in future prospects than an old sniper.
I trust DL will do whatever is best for the Kings.
Go Kings, go!!
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Deano will take a big swing at Parise. He got the cash ready by doing Quick. If it fails we will never hear about it.
Parise is really about a $6.5M guy. If he’ll take that he can be a King. If someone like Minnesota gives him an extra million because of supply and demand then they can have him. He’s not worth it. If I’m Parise a million less might be a better deal, regardless of the money, in LA or perhaps Detroit than struggling for the next 8 years. The Pens will go over budget if they do it.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@LA_1968, Doan will have a more significant near term impact on this team than Parise. Go after Doan for a 2-3 year deal and still have some cap room for next few years
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, What would we do with Doan? Unless he would or could move to LW. And truthfully after his “class” showed in the WCF I don’t want him here.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
@HockeyNerd, Penner and Gagne are questionable and Brown is really a RW so I don’t see the problem. Doan is an extremely competitive, hard-working and ACCOUNTABLE player who occasionally lets his emotions get the best of him. He is totally respected by his teammates, a great locker room presence and extremely charitable with his time off the ice. Like all of you that didn’t like the Sutter hire, you will end up loving Doan in a King’s jersey. I can’t even imagine a line with Doan, Brown and Richards;
Bingram Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
@LA_1968,
For everyone that thinks Parise is a $6 or $7 million man. I think you are going to be very surprised tomorrow. I believe Parise will go for about $8.5 to $9.0.
To many teams with too much money available.
Go Kings. go!!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@Bingram, I tend to agree. The 6.5 is what he is WORTH, not what he will GET. And of course that will be followed by those same overspending owners crying their little hearts out in negotiations that we don’t understand, they’re losing money. They never change.
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
@HockeyNerd, Yeah man… “Worth” as a hit.
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@Bingram, Teams know this might be the last year they can mess around with 10-14 year contracts to keep the cap lower. I’d be surprised even with all the money if the cap hit for Parise is over seven. Paying Parise 9 million a year is grossly overpaying, not just overpaying.
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Bob Bobson Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 8:13 am
@BringbackButchGoring, Yes it is overpaying but that has not stopped teams before. BUF overpaying for Leino and Erhoff is a great example of this. The problem is the market gets thinner and thinner every year so any team trying to “make a splash” will have to overpay. Supply and demand…
We don’t need any players we have a younger Carter coming soon in (toff) plus we stole Hyka his going to be sick, and Nick Ebiert where fine
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@Rom27, If I had a dime for every “can’t miss”. The teams that build winners are not, as commonly believed, the ones with the best prospects. They are the ones with the MOST “good” prospects. Look no further than our blueline. Not everyone made it all the way here(Hickey) and not everyone was held on to(Teubert) but we had so many high picks that sure enough SOME of them got here (DD, Martinez, VV). Nothing wrong with continuing to improve our odds. We can well afford it now.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
@Rom27, Hyka is not going to be sick. The last thing we need is another undersized, non-physical wing (that isn’t a pure sniper like Toffoli) I doubt he will ever make the NHL much less play for the Kings
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vinny Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
@Rom27, prokhorkin will be way more interesting than hyka i think (if he doesnt continue to get injured that is)..saw a video on youtube from one of the london knights execs that hes most likely not even gonna play chl next season, and that he’ll be playing for the monarchs..kids big too 63ish 190ish
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Schultz agrees with Oilers. Man if they’re not awesome in a few years…
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cup4kings Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@LA_1968, They drafted D Oscar Klefbom with the Kings #1 pick from the Penner deal too. He’s turning out to be a stud.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@LA_1968, Krueger is no Sutter, Schultz is still a rookie and they have two crappy goalies. They have a ways to go still.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, He did say a few years.
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Diego Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@LA_1968,
By the time they mature and begin to gel as a contender they’ll have to fend off poachers waving big bucks to lure talent over to their side.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
@Diego, That’s exactly what I was thinking but I honestly do like what Edmonton is doing and I think the kids might stay together to see it though
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Diego Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@BringbackButchGoring,
Yes, they definitely have the potential to be a real force.
Gustavo Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 6:51 am
@LA_1968,
I’m not worried one bit about the high quality, high expectation, high promise pool of talent in the Oily organization. They’ll never have the opportunity to keep those players together once they peak.
Edmonton has become the best farm team for US NHL teams with money to spend. That’s all.
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After all the years waiting for something to happen on day one of FA and then nothing, this is probably the year it will happen. The rich get richer, after all! Shane Doan? What team wouldn’t want him. He’s amazing. To me a short deal with Ray Whitney to bump up the left side makes the most sense and is “conservative” chemistry wise. In the unlikely event we end up with Parise, more power to us! I agree with many posts that we should either keep Bernier or at least wait until the trade deadline to see if we can get value for him. I only say that for Bernier’s sake as he should be starting.
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I had a strong feeling last summer that Parise would be a King THIS Summer. He would be a welcome addition!
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How good (or poor) a backchecker is Parise? (it’s a honest question on my part, haven’t looked at his +/- and that kind of stuff). Not expecting that to exactly be his strong point but if it’s REALLY bad, not someone I want here.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@HockeyNerd, Here’s what’s going thru my head: wasn’t exactly impressed based on what I saw in the SCF. On the other hand plenty of times in Hockey where the right coach (and we DO have the right coach) can change that for the better.
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Kenny44 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Well, he tried to backcheck Kopi that one time, remember? Just got brushed off and beaten to the puck.
I’m not a hater, I just don’t think he’s the kind of “whole package” player to demand the numbmers being thrown around. Smaller guy, with one major knee injury behind him, hustles like hell, good hockey sense, but still, a top notch complementary player, not a centerpiece IMHO.
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laikaloco Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
@Kenny44, You nailed it, IMO…
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Gislaw Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
@HockeyNerd,
He is a beast on the defensive side of the puck.
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rumpa #19 Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 7:30 am
@Gislaw, These guys need Center Ice , so they can see a little east coast hockey geez .
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Keep Penner…Get DOAN..Parise overrated…wants to much cash. i think we’ve proven we don’t need a supa supa supa star.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
@tellmeY, We need Parise more than we need Doan. We know where Parise would play. Besides who said Parise was a super, super star anyway?
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Pesus Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Sounds like he’s gonna get paid like a super super star
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Pesus, Yup. Definitely worth seeing if he’ll come here….but not for the kind of $ he’ll no doubt get elsewhere.
I don’t think DL is going to go overboard trying to get someone here and he may not sign anyone at all including Penner. There are very few — or no — roster spots for the prospects to battle for as it is. Remember once the season starts 14 forwards, 7 defenseman, and 2 goaltenders. That’s all we get.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
@HockeyNerd, Even if he doesn’t sign Penner and you pretty much went with your SCF roster then look what happens:
Forward: Clifford, Richardson, Lokti, Westgarth and maybe Toffoli battle for 3 spots.
Defense: DD2 OR a prospect (Hickey, Forbort, Muzzin) for the 7th spot.
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Real 7 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
@HockeyNerd, I’m sure some team would pick-up Drewiske or Muzzin if they were available…
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Don’t mess with how the season finished, including play-offs. Keep Penner, Richards and Carter together. Penner seems to understand what Sutter wants from him now. DP, take the offer whatever it is!!!
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Gustavo Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
@Poppa K,
DP’s enigma this summer will be his wrist surgery recovery and how he’ll maintain his cardio fitness. if that passes mustard, welcome back!!
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@LA_1968, Why does everyone rank Parise at $6.5M-7M. Kopitar is at $6.8M. Is Parise really the same or better than Kopi?
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
@bmova, The answer to your last question is a resounding NO. The answer to your first question is what he will GET, not what he is WORTH. Who ever said the owners and GMs were the worlds smartest executives?
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Itchy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Duncanz has.
Hope that helps.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
@bmova, Kopi signed three years ago when the cap was 57 million and he wasn’t the stud he is today. I have no doubt he could sign for more than 6.8M tomorrow if he was available
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CB14 Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
@bmova, Because in his last 5 full NHL season’s he’s scored 30 or more goals in every one of them. With a high of 45 a few years ago. There aren’t very many 30 goal scorers, let alone guys with legitimate 40 goal potential. Plus the free agent market is very thin, while the amount of cap room most teams have is very high.
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Osaka Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
@CB14, His best season he had 45 goals, that year he had 1 less than Jeff Carter.
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LA_1968 Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 1:46 am
@bmova, You compare Kopi to Parise which is fair but Kopi signed several years ago. Prices have gone up in general.
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OK, we know this past season worked out for The Kings. I think we got pretty lucky with the teams we played, in fact I think they best case scenario happened in the post season as far as who we played. But, who are the teams we’ve done the worst against and who can they bring in/what can they change to fix that? sharks, predators, avalanche? Is it personnel problems or were they just not hungry enough back then? Will they still be hungry after winning The Cup once? Should we bring in a vet who’s never won it to keep everyone on track?
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Diego Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
@Itchy,
Are you figuring in the coaching change? I think that was a critical key to our success.
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Itchy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
@Diego,
Yeah, I wonder about that… kind of why I added the personnel/hungry comment.
But, we still had those 2 OT losses to the sharks at the end of the season… whether we should have lost to them or not. And, for whatever reason (scouting?), it seems the predators have Quickie’s number. Some things to think about.
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Diego Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
@Itchy,
Losing in OT while not playing your best is not good, but not that bad…
Gustavo Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
@Itchy,
Keep a large poster in the locker room with Kopi’s words:
“This is too much fun to not do it again”
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We win the cup, but we need to upgrade as well. To be honest, we always have problem play against Detroit and San Jose. Plus Nashville is getting strong. We were little bit lucky that we didn’t need to face them in the playoffs. I don’t mean we couldn’t beat them, but it’s always hard to beat them for some reason.
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Pili Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
@zdfun, I start to think that, then remember that the Kings beat the Nucks, and then two teams that nobody else could take out, in 16-4 fashion. This group, coached by DS, with a mentally healthy Penns and the chips on the table, tends to take care of business.
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Pili Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
@Pili, Make that three teams. I blame vodka shamelessly.
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Itchy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
@zdfun,
It aint been all Osgood in detroit while they’ve been playing The Kings… not for a while, at least.
san jose finds a way to get under The Kings’ skin (or just flat out cheat) to win… I think if we’d played them in the playoffs we would have beat them, but I think it would have been more than 4 or 5 games. Sutter would have calmed them down and made them get back to work.
preds seems to really have scouted our D. They’re the only team I’ve noticed that can legit beat us. BUT, for some reason, Bernie Burns seems to shut them down. Maybe they don’t have any video of him in net to scout? Def happy we didn’t have to play them this playoffs. Need to tighten up against them and maybe change up the old, put the puck in a “safe place” AKA the far corner, then have a forechecker beat us to that puck and put it in our net.
Am I good enough to have my own pregame show saturday morning on NBC?
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LA won the Stanley F—in’ Cup!!!
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For the next year-43 mil.committed to 11 plays,43+5.8 (JQ)=48.8,resign DB or replace other key plays,SO I think–expect the UNexpect.The key WORD is_or replace other key players,any player could become the trade bait (except the lock-in players) Sometime trade a big one to get another BIG one…We’ll see what tomorrow will bring? DL.is gone fishing!!GOOD luck!!..GKG
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doan in his older age would be perfect for 3rd line. would actually make that line dangerous. brown richards doan on the same team would be pretty impressive
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If the Kings sign Parise how do they resign Brown? By gaining one player we will probably lose another player in the future so we wouldn’t be adding a player but replacing. If they sign Doan to a 2 year deal ( a much smaller cap hit than Parise) he would be a bridge until the Kings’ prospects develop and are ready for the NHL. Players like Toffoli are probably a couple years away and with Gagne’s injury history and lack of grit he is not the answer.
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 12:19 am
@Osaka, I projected ahead several years trying to find this fabled “cap problem” that everyone keeps talking about — and I just can’t find it. Here is the year you are talking about… assuming we sign our RFA and let all our UFA walk. Note we have plenty of money. to sign Brown.
2014 Roster With Parise
Parise (7m) – Richards (5.7m) – Carter (5.2m)
(empty) – Kopitar (6.8m) – Williams (3.6m)
King (.8) – Stoll (3.2m) – Lewis (1m)
Clifford (1m) – (empty) – Nolan (.8)
(empty), (empty)
Doughty (7m) – Voynov (2m)
Martinez (2m) – (empty)
(empty) – (empty)
(empty)
Quick (5.8m) // Bernier (1.5m)
FA: Greene, Mitchell, Brown, Fraser, Westgarth
Salary: 53.4m
Projected Cap: 70.2m
Projected Cap Room: 16.8m
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Parise said multiple times that he wants to win more than he wants to get paid; tomorrow he would need to pass that test. As many here mentioned, there will be a lot of money trown his way, much more than what he is truly worth. Quick could wait a year and maybe get 100M offer sheet ( assuming no major CBA changes) but he chose to WIN with the team that helped him to become one of the best goalies in the history of NHL. Parise has the same option. What’s important is if Quick continue playing the way he does and even improves more, his endorsement money will likely double his contract! Think, Zach, think!!!!
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Would Parise want to come to LA and play the Kings’ system is another question. If you were Zach wouldn’t Detroit seem like a better fit?
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Arkmil Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
@Osaka, actually if you watched SCF closely, Parise was almost the only Devil (!) playing Kings style (maybe Henrique also), so Zach fits Kings model perfectly. He hated Kovalchuk (on a side note I loved how NBC bailed out Kovalchuk saying he is injured every time he touched the pack – anyone heard anything about Ilya’s upcoming treatments or surgeries?!!!). Detroit just lost their best D and they have good, not great goalies. The only true competition to Kings in terms of Parise to choose from are Pens, assuming Crosby plays big portion of his 12-year contract…
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Osaka Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
@Arkmil, I did watch the SCF and yes Zach is a force all over the ice. He is a guy who is always “involved”, never a spectator. Car and Min will probably offer the monster contract for Zach and he is from Minn so if you want to get down to it, that makes the most sense. I still think Detroit would be the best fit for Zach and the system would be best for his game. He played an LA style in NJ already, of course he is good at it, but does he want to continue to play that system? Just like former Devil D Rafalski who went to Detriot I see him headed to Motown.
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
@Osaka, From the rumors it sounds like Detroit is concentrating on Suter. Offensively I think they are going to go after Penner and instead of Parise it sounds like they will go after Semin. Semin seems like a good fit for the Wings with Datsyk and Zetterburg being the stars and Semin can be a role player. As for the Wild i will be shocked if Zach ends up there. Yes they can offer a lot of money but all along Zach has said he wanted to go to a team that is a contender throughout the years of his contract. The Wild are at least 2-3 years away from even making the playoffs yet alone the Cup. It will go against what Zach has said to go for the money over winning, even being the top dog. Really the best fits for Zach is either to stay in Jersey or Pittsburgh or Los Angeles.
Although I had raved about Doan in an earlier post, to be honest, when I see that Ray Whitney put up 70 points, and was a plus 26 last season, that is just incredible! I never really got a chance to watch him that much until he played for Phoenix. This guy has amazing IQ and hands for someone that is 40. The other things he does well is create space, and is fantastic on the powerplay.
When you really think about it, you could sign this guy for a year or 2, and use him a a “bridge” player until someone like Toffoli is ready to play with grown men.
Just a thought
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Osaka Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
@puck73, Either guy would be great bridge players. DL does like the big physical guys though…..
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We need to get that top player, I think bis names is Staneley. Yea, Stanley Cup, that his name. Oh wait, we already have the one and only Stanley Cup, and he doesn’t even the create a cap hit.
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Sammuch Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
@DesertKing,
Give Stanley the cup will you…!!!! Gezzzzz…
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BIG NEWS! Do to us blogging, DL decided to make us happy & excite us all by letting gagne & Penner go & bring back the one & only: FROLOV
!!!!!! Hello is anybody there… Knock knock /-:()
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Sammuch Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
@Sammuch,
JUST IN!!!
FROLOV has signed 2 years for 2.2 mil
More excite, SMYTH has just signed for 2 years for 1mil now we are talking repeat!!!
What a deal, hello, anyone taking me seriously?…
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DesertKing Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
@Sammuch,
Can’t bring him back. Fraser took his number
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Sammuch Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
@DesertKing,
LOL! Ok!
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DesertKing Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
@Sammuch,
I said this before,
If DL brings Doan to LA, I hope his contract includes a clause that forces Doan to kneel on center ice in front of Dustin Brown and kisses his Stanley Cup Championship ring finger when we raise the Banner in October.
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PalmSpringsKingsFan Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
@Gustavo, best post of the night!! or maybe he can wack his cryotes goalie (andre the giant) a few times for Brownie.
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Exactly my sentiments, Rich.
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DOAN???? I have not liked DOAN EVER!!! Please do not bring Doan!!!
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I don’t see the Kings doing anything this summer. Maybe resign Penner.
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Lot of people on here are saying that going after Parise will hurt us as we won’t have the cap space to handle him when Quick’s extension takes affect and in signing Brown, etc. You have to realize though that the Cap keeps going up and in 4-5 years from now it will most likely be over 90 million. I sincerely doubt that any new CBA deal that is signed will lower the Cap from it’s current $70 million. I don’t know if the owners will agree to this, but the Donald Fehr said that if no deal is reached by Sept 15th that the players will be ok with going into the season under the current cba while still negotiating. The NHL has been getting record revenues each year and there is no reason at this time for that changing. I don’t see the CBA changing drastically except for tweaks here and there. The Cap will stay and go up. Meaning we can sign Parise, redo Brown and Kopi when there deals come up.
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Mars Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
@Jeff_R, If we pick up another FA such as Praise or Doan, I am somewhat ok with it, but not at an expense of losing Brown. I dont care if Brown has the C or not, but I will be VERY pissed if we lose Brown, he has to retire a King. My worry is that most captains are traded, they just don’t loose the C.
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
@Mars, With the Cap going up we wont have to lose Brown or Kopi.
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Mars Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
@Jeff_R, I want to see Brown, Kopi, DD and Quick all retire as Kings.
All I also believe that Brown would take an Organizational role as DD would too. Kopi, not sure, he may just want to retire in Slovenia, Quick, I imagine would be a Goal coach, he has had some solid background and would like to pay it pack.
For sure all those Jerseys will be retired and hanging in the rafters one day.
vinny Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 5:17 am
@Jeff_R, if the cap went up, wouldnt the cost of players go up too?
I dont see us trading JB just yet.
He is cheap and we can play him all (most you know what I mean) year long, maybe score a sweet deal at the trade deadline.
Keeping him on the cheap is good, especially with DB, Scuds and Greene due in 14-15.
I dunno if JB wants to play second fiddle or not, maybe DL can entice him to say, I mean another cup to ride pine. YES PLEASE!
I am curious whats up with King though.
Penner too.
Dunno what to think or Parse.
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
@Mars, You mean Parise or Parse? If Parse he is most likely never going to wear a Kings uniform again. I doubt we will keep all of Brown, Scuderi and Greene. Most likely Scuds will go either by trade or free agency. If he is resigned then you will probably see Greener go. You have young guys ready to make it got to get them in somehow.
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IceGuy Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
@Jeff_R,
I have been saying the same thing since the middle of last season. We need to look ahead to the day when Willie Mitchell and Scuds are gone. The stay-at-home paired with a skater on D. I’ve suggested Martinez be groomed for that role. He’s smart, knows when to pinch and has a nasty shot from the point. Mistakes? Sure. He’s still developing. But longterm success for the Kings still stands on the blueline.
Three Things I Worry About:
1. Penner’s desire to play every shift. Make him an offer of a two-way $2M contract and see how he does.
2. Gange’s health. He’s one hit away from disaster, and he knows it. That’s really going to make him very much less a defensive thinking player. Honestly – did anyone notice what he did or didn’t do when playing in the Finals?
3. Bernier. I don’t think he wants to be a #2 for much longer, and more importantly, I don’t think Lombardi will hold him back. He’s been a good soldier since he came back from Manchester and Dean WILL move him when the right deal appears.
Parise? Make a reasonable offer. The choice for him is Cash or a Cup. We’ll see what’s most important to him.
Doan? Put the home plate jersey on him and I cheer him as loudly as I do for Brownie or Kopi.
Dean must leave the door open for new blood from Manchester. The Monarch’s heroes are Cliffy and King and Martinez and Nolan and Lotki and Voynov. Who’s going to be the next surprise? That influx of desire is needed just as much as the “leadership” in the room.
It’s going to be an interesting week – even if nothing happens with the Kings.
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Doan would be a huge upgrade, but hey guess what? screw him! we don’t want his classless acts in this town!
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
@Nikko, Yea it wasn’t great how he acted but really that was Shane at a very emotional state coming real close to the Finals and losing that way. He apologize and he is a Captain with great character and role model. That was unlike him. I don’t condone it but I understand the reasons it happened.
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Doubt that it happens, but can you imagine Shane Doan and Brownie on the same team? Teams would sure hate to play us, that is if they don’t already
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For all those who have been salivating over Parise for the last couple of years, Doan is very much the same player…sure, a seasoned vet, but would come at a cheaper price…Hated him as a Yote…would love him as a King…
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DesertKing Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
@g smith86,
Plus, he owns a company that sells backache pills
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The best part of tomorrow will be watching all of the other teams scrambling to get the top UFAs in an attempt to create teams to try and beat us. BEWAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
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Michael J. Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 8:52 am
@DesertKing,
The biggest fish out there may be a presently unsigned assistant coach…
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Do not want Doan! He has shown himself to be a classless act.
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Whatever the Kings do today in FA we can do no wrong.
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Parise, kopitar, williams
King, Richards, carter
Gagne, Stoll, brown
Clifford, Fraser, lewis
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puck73 Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 1:30 am
@Art, Parise? That would be great, but I must honestly say I would be surprised if the Kings sign him. Clifford? He is not guaranteed a spot. He will have to battle people like Nolan, Andreoff, Cliche, Richardson, and Westgarth.
I still think The Kings will sign either Ray Whitney or Shane Doan….stay tuned.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 8:25 am
@Art, Brown back to third line? Bahahahahahahahahaha some people never learn
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Well its july first……any news?
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Gustavo Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 6:59 am
@neil,
The UFA circus starts at 0900 PST
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neil Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 11:48 am
@Gustavo, and i waited up all night for the start
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Interesting difference since DL took over:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/5859/kings_system_in20022003_the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly/
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Go Kings Go!
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@gilly, already do with ol dead eyes leading the way!
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I think the Kings quickly strike out on Parise and Suter because they will not pay them Sidney Crosby money and there are teams with greater need than ours (MIN, DET, etc). We are fine on D without Suter but I am concerned that we have not heard anything about Dustin Penner negotiations and we will have another hole to fill on LW if we do not re-sign him. Of course, given his inconsistency (to put it mildly), we may have a hole on LW even if we do sign him.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 8:30 am
@Bob Bobson, We have no interest in Suter in the first place and Penner is intentionally being put on hold to see if we can pick up Doan, Whitney or Parise. Really think the King’s feeling on Penner is they would be fine if he leaves and fine if he stays at a reasonable price. I’m thinking someone will overpay for Penner and he will be gone.
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
@Bob Bobson, I sincerely doubt that Parise’s cap hit is going to be anywhere near Crosby’s or even close to the 100 million Crosby got. Parise will most likely signed for something like 12 years 80 million or a cap hit somewhere in the 6′s. This is about what they offered Kovy. I expect somewhat similar an offer to Zach. Everybody thinking Zach is going to sign for 9-10 million are going to be surprised. Yes Zach wants his money but he will take less to win the cup. Crosby did just that to stay a Penquin. Malkin will do similar. In my opionion those are tje only 2 players at this time worth 100 million. Nobody is close to that at this time. If Zach wants that amount then he should go to the Wild and not win the cup for a long time if at all.
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Bob Bobson Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am
@Jeff_R, I think you overestimate the constraints GM’s will show. I hope you are right because it is silly to watch the huge dollars being tossed around.
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If Zack and Martin leave the Devils they are screwed….and I will laugh. Signing Kovi seems like a 100M dollar mistake!
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toemas_sandstrom Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 8:52 am
@Cry Baby, That would be awesome. The New Jersey Thrashers!
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 8:59 am
@Cry Baby, What about Salvador also?
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If Bernier is really adament about leaving and DL wants to accomodate I’d say we package Hickey and Bernier for Edmonton’s number 1 next year. Then use that to pick up Sean Monahan or better in next years draft.
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Parise’s demands are insane! According to Nick Kypreos @RealKyper he wants a $12m signing bonus and another $12m in first year of contract! Moving along…
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Jeff_R Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am
@toemas_sandstrom, Kypreos also said the Kings have singed Kovy. Shows how much he knows.
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I still like signing Parenteau of the NY Islanders. Can score, is good on PP, and plays hard with about 100 hits per season. His salary last season was 1.25 million. He will be looking for lots more money. I would resign Penner for 2 million or so too. Mickey (Kings season ticket holder for over 20 years-now in WA)
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Shane Doan a King?
No Thank You!!!!!
Classless Jerks need not apply!
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