With Jarret Stoll and Colin Fraser now back in the fold, here’s a reasonable guess as to how the Kings’ lineup might look in 2012-13. This does not include Dustin Penner, as he is an unrestricted free agent, but it does assume a modest raise for Dwight King. If you assume all of the below, it’s a total salary-cap hit of approximately $59.05 million. The 2012-13 salary cap is tentatively set at $70.3 million, but that will depend on the labor negotiations. Based on that, it’s reasonable to get wide eyes and start thinking that the Kings could add another big salary this summer. Not so fast. Look ahead one season to 2013-14. The Kings already have almost $43 million committed to only 11 players, and that doesn’t include Jonathan Quick’s huge eventual raise and new contracts for players such as Slava Voynov, Alec Martinez and Trevor Lewis. Plus the Kings would have to replace or re-sign Rob Scuderi and Brad Richardson.
So, that’s the rub in terms of salary-cap math. You always have to have one eye on this season and one eye on upcoming seasons. So while it’s not unreasonable to think that the Kings might take a run at a free agent such as Zach Parise, it would also require some very tough math in the coming years. Here’s a look at next season’s possible salary structure.
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Brown ($3.175 million)-Kopitar ($6.8)-Williams ($3.65)
Gagne ($3.5)-Richards ($5.75)-Carter ($5.273)
King ($0.725)-Stoll ($3.25)-Lewis ($0.725)
Richardson ($1.175)-Fraser ($0.825)-Nolan ($0.532)
Clifford ($0.870)-Westgarth ($0.725)
Doughty ($7.0)-Scuderi ($3.4)
Mitchell ($3.5)-Voynov ($0.817)
Greene ($2.95)-Martinez ($0.738)
Drewiske ($0.617)
Quick ($1.8)
Bernier ($1.25)
TOTAL: $59.047
725k is a modest raise?
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@FRO, From a cap hit of 592k that’s about 20%, which is 10% more than the minimum. Being that he has yet to play even half a season in the NHL, that seems like a pretty good raise. Mind you, he earned much less than that 592k 1 last year (his AHL salary was 50k). So in essence, if he stays in the NHL, it will be a gigantic raise.
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gotta love capgeek
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Mars Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@TradedForADraftPick,
That is where I got this info posted a few threads back
Here is the 13-14 worries I have.
Quick… UFA 1.8m Obviously getting a bump in pay. Cap is my worry
Bernier (RFA 1.25m)
Scuds (UFA 3.4m)
Richardson (UFA 1.1m)
Gagne (UFA) 3.5)
Drewski (UFA 616k)
Cliffy (RFA 870k)
Lewis (RFA 725k)
Nolan (RFA 531k)
Voynov (RFA 816k)
Martinez (RFA 737k)
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Sammuch Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
@Mars,
Looks like in 2 years we will need some of our Manchester boys to move up the ladder! Let’s assume the cap will be 76mill in 2014/2015, no way we can keep the group together by then!
Any thought anyone?
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Hackwoods Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:59 am
@Sammuch, I am not sure I understand your post completely, but what we all need to remember is the new CBA will have a heavy impact on the cap starting in 2013-2014 season. I said it before, we need to recognise the probability that the cap could go down to $60M. It is up to $70M for this upcoming 2012-2013 season, and with the players getting 57% of the revenue, that means the NHL did $3.6B in revenue, and if the owners get their way, and they most likely will, the NHL will go towards NFL and NBA type split and that is 50%. If that happens, and revenues stay the same, then the cap will be just a hair over $60M in 2013. If we go after Parise or Suter or anyone at that level and give Quick his raise, we will not have any money to fill a 23 man roster, and we will likely have to give up Brown or Kopi or Richards or Carter, so adding a Parise then having to give up one of these other guys the next season does not make sense.
Personally, I thought the Kings would be fine as is, and not keeping Stoll or Pens, just Fraser and the RFAs, but now that we got Stoll, then Pens is not in the cards. Richardson can be replaced in 2013 with a young Manchester player, Quick will get paid, and the trade of Bernier should yield a top flight prospect that can be that person that replaces Gags at much less money in 2013. All the RFAs in 2013 can be kept with raises, and we will still have a great team talent wise, and hopefully still be a contender.
2012
Kopi, Williams, Brown
Richards, Carter, Gagne
Stoll, Lewis, King
Fraser, Nolan, Cliffy
Westy and Richardson (extras)
Doughty/Scuds
Mitchell/Voynov
Martinez/Greene
Drewiske
Quick and Bernier (or a veteran back up at no more than $1.5M if we trade Bernier this summer)
2013
Kopi, Williams, Brown
Richards, Carter, young player we get for Bernier trade
Stoll, King, Lewis
Fraser, Nolan, Cliffy
Westy, Cliche (extras)
Doughty/ Muzzin or Campbell
Mitchell/Voynov
Martinez/Greene
Campbell or Muzzin (extra d)
Quick and Jones
In 2013, with moderate raises for the RFAs, I believe we could be at $59M, and I think we still look very strong, especially since Nolan, Cliffy, and King should be really blossoming by then.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
@Hackwoods,
Actually, the league only did $3.3 billion in revenue. 57% of that minus $90 million in benefits is $1.791 billion divided by 30 teams is $59.7 million. Add in 5% inflation and you get $62.7 million. This gives you the salary “midpoint”. Add $8 million to that and you have your salary cap. Subtract $8 million and you get your salary floor.
If they reduce the split to 50% during CBA negotiations, assuming they keep the same formula, then the salary cap will be at $62.6 million for 2012-2013.
Assuming the same revenue (plus 5% for inflation) and formula at the end of next season, the salary cap for 2013-2014 will be $65.5 million.
That means for 2013-2014, if we keep and give modest raises to Lewis, Nolan, and Clifford, let Brad Richardson, Simon Gagne, and Davis Drewiske walk, call up Tyler Toffoli, Derek Forbort, Martin Jones, and another 3rd/4th line Manchester prospect to fill gaps, and trade Bernier for prospects/draft picks, we’ll have enough cap space to give Quick $7 million, Voynov $3 million, and Martinez $2 million and still have about 500k of space to work with.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:17 am
@tkecanuck341, I forgot to mention to resign Scuderi to the same contract he currently has ($3.4 million per year).
Davi Reply:
June 30th, 2012 at 1:20 am
@me formula
Add a little extra to the end balance cause voynov isn’t a 3 mil player.
luc20rules Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
@Mars, Unless the CBA changes drastically the RFAs just get qualifying offers like King did this summer. Gagne will likely not be retained unless he is injury free and has a monster year. Richardson is a health scratch most of the time, as is Drewiske both valuable, but probably can be filled with prospect from Manchester. Making Scuds & Quick the only serious worries. We can start negotiating with all 2012-13 elgible UFA on the Kings starting July 1, 2012 a year before they are UFAs. I would hope Quick gets his extention, before the end of July, and Scuds is a valuable vet on D. The question is do we move any D-man for other assets as we have a lot of depth at that position? I don’t feel that comfortable moving any of the starting Dman, but they are the only ones that would have top notch trade value. I don’t really envy the choice DL will have to make, but do to his diligence he has many options on D.
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DrJoel14 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 7:50 am
@luc20rules,
Scuds will not be resigned next year, he will be pushing 37 – time to look at bringing Hickey up if he is healthy, to replace him or perhaps free agent. Agree the Quick deal needs to be done but DL may wait and see how his year starts off, after all he is coming of the Cup, the Conn Smythe and should have got the Vezina so his value is at it’s peak right now – if he has a mediocre start (not hoping he does) his extension may be less. UR right Penner said he would take a pay decrease but it will still be too much, which is too bad, he is not the same guy he was 4-5 years ago but had a great playoff and is a big body which is huge in this league. This season we should start moving some Manchester guys up when we can to see what they can do and either commit to them or put them on the block.
luc20rules Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
@DrJoel, Scuds will be entering the 2013-14 season as a 34 year old. Why not Drewiske if we let Scuds go more proven and similar player to Scuds. Hickey is a Offensive D-man would likely be more for if DD, Voynov, or Martinez were to get injured.
Jeff Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
@Mars, Well I can assure you Bernier will be gone when Quick gets signed, Gagne will not be resigned.
Cliffy (RFA 870k)
Lewis (RFA 725k)
Nolan (RFA 531k)
Voynov (RFA 816k)
Martinez (RFA 737k)
Yawn….
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Jake Reply:
June 26th, 2012 at 5:50 am
@Jeff, Quick will be back he is the best goalie in the NHL.
Sammuch Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am
@Mars, Ok, say they do a 50/50 split… Does that mean the cap goes down? Maybe, they can freeze at 70mil cap for three years and still do a 50/50 split! I’m sure the players are not going to take a cut on both!
I was talking about the 2014 year! But I agree with mostly what you have to say about the next year!
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Ok, don’t anyone freak out, but I dont think we need Parise. Sign Penner for a modest reduction and stand pat. We just won the Cup with this team. We didn’t just win, we won it running away. The team has gelled and now meets the expectations we all had for it. We still have some good prospects in Manchester to reload with next year if needed.
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Trip Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
@DesertKing, I agree but it sure would be nice with Parise in the mix!
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Shuchuk Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@Trip, Parise is going to the Wild if NJ can’t come up with the money, which is fine. I don’t want him or Nash ending up in Detroit.
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
@Shuchuk, Why would Zach want to go to the Wild? It is not all about money to Zach. His biggest want is a team that is able to contend year after year for the Cup. The Wild are nowhere near that at this time. Zach is either going to stay in New Jersey or sign with either Detroit, Pittsburgh or L.A. These 3 teams not only have the money but the players to contend year after year. Zach is getting into his prime now, he doesn’t want to waste those years playing for a team that isn’t able to contend.
Kings x Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
@Shuchuk, Don’t think he wants to go to a non contender
King Cobra Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 7:59 am
@Shuchuk, I would like to get some stocks tips from you and your crystal ball?
spidey35 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:16 am
@Shuchuk, I don’t know what makes me think this, but I think Detroit is going to throw the motherload at Parise.
Jake Reply:
June 26th, 2012 at 5:46 am
@Shuchuk, I hope Parise is on the Hawks Lets Go Hawks!!!
Duncanz Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
@Jeff_Tweety,
Hometown Cup discount.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:48 am
@dunkinDonuts, howcome your name is not on the list? I thought you’re a 7 digit man!!
Stuart Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:24 am
@rogiespierre, He would’ve had more digits, but Tex talked him into holding the can at 12 paces outside the trailer, and let’s just say Tex was a little off! @Thumbcanz only has about 3 digits left, but he can still drive a manual transmission like he was ringing a bell!
TiredOfIt Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@Duncanz, Can’t we just enjoy the cup winning season for a while before we fry brain cells with team cap dismantleing? HC…guess not….I will….Go Kings
Jake Reply:
June 26th, 2012 at 5:51 am
@Duncanz, Brown got the stanley cup first.
Crown Royal Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
@DesertKing,
I agree we don’t need Parise. It would be nice to have him but it creates cap problems in the long run. Eventually before a contract for Parise would run it’s course, Brown, Kopi and others would need new deals. JQ is going to get a lot of money. Better to wait a year and see what happens with JQ’s new contract plus how forwards like Toffoli, Pearson, Vey, Czarnik, Andreoff and Weal develop.
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Doc Allen Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
@DesertKing, I completely agree as I’ve said before. It sure ain’t broke! Why spend a bunch of money to fix what? I like having 7 potential 30 goal scorers already. They just need to play like they did in the playoffs plus we have plenty of talent in the wings chafing at the bit. Plus some really good drafts considering the lousy number choices we had. Why mess with the chemistry? We’re fine.
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shaunk96 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
@Doc Allen, 8th seed just made the playoffs….if you aren’t getting better your getting worse…I know we won the cup but it could have been lightning in a bottle thing
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Santa Claus Jackson Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
@shaunk96, I agree with DK…just because the kings have some spare loot, it doesn’t mean they need to go all willy-nilly on high-priced talent…yes parise is amazing, and will only get better, but J.Q., Kopi, amongst others will be getting PAID by 2013+, so we might as well not go flying off the deep end, considering the speed, youth, size, and talent L.A. has, with an impressive core of farm-leaguers ret to tret…as a life-long fan, I can honestly say for the first time that the Kings are starting to experience an embarrassment in riches…
Mike Reply:
June 28th, 2012 at 10:39 am
@shaunk96, Yeah, 8th seed just made the playoffs, but not that far from being seeded 3rd. Plus, what the Kings proved was that higher seeding doesn’t necessarily mean success.
Johnny12 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
@Doc Allen, there isn’t a chance they will have seven 30 goal scorers. They will be lucky to have 2. I dont see DS changing the system too drastically, and a potent offense was certainly not why they won the cup this year. I don’t think they need Parise either, and I also think there is a chance they trade Bernier. He is a potential starter on another team. Not sure what they need in return though.
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Dilapidus Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
@Johnny12,
Picks
Mars Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@DesertKing, I have been saying we have what we needed all year. Carter was a good surprise addition though.
Dont need Praise, Nash or anyone else. We have a great team. We are lucky to hold intact too.
Not too many teams are lucky enough to remain intact. Think Blackhawks.
If we do not have an offensive slump this year, and our D stays consistent. What is there to fear?
We also hopefully will see some PP upswing next year too.
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Kings x Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@DesertKing, Pit, Philly and NJ are going to throw the kitchen sink at him. All are contenders
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Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
@DesertKing,
Completely agree with you. This team with Penner, and without Gagne playing more than insignificant minutes, run over almost everyone since early March until the last playoff game against NJD.
What worries me is Gagne’s ability to stay healthy all season long. But even is Penner does not come back, King has proven he can play and be productive in a line with MR & JC.
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Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
@Gustavo,
*IF Penner…*
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A Cup Before I Die Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
@Gustavo, is this English class or a hockey blog? Nice response though. Informative.
One87Money Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
@DesertKing,
On top of that, where would Parise fit in? Also, if Penner re-signs, who goes? Gagne is the second line LW, which leaves Penner, Rictjhardson, Lokti, Westy, and DD2 in the press box. Too many players for a regular season roster
My guess is Penner walks and no additional signings.
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CB14 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@One87Money, Loti would be in Manchester, he’s on a 2 way contract. Westy might be there too, Sutter didn’t play him very often. Richardson, like DD2, is a perfect player to sit because he’s not young enough that it’s hurting his groth, and he’s a good fill in player at any position on any line. Plus, it’s not a guarantee that Gagne comes back next season. Too much depth is a good thing.
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One87Money Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
@CB14,
I agree, but too much depth with NHLers can be problematic. Your top two lines are set. If Penner is signed, what do you do with him and Gagne? Move one to the third line? King to the fourth or the press box? If you go after Parise, who gets moved out of town? My nickel is on Penner not being re-signed and no big splash this summer. The signing of Stoll and Fraser tells me DL is going to try and repeat with essentially the exact same roster.
PRMan Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:57 am
@CB14, And if one of them goes down, you give Vey or somebody a shot to come in and try his hand.
RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:12 am
@CB14,
Why wouldn’t Gagne come back? We signed him for two years and he played in the Finals????
evan chouest Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
@One87Money,
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Michael J. Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
@DesertKing,
If Kompon is not replaced, will that help the cap issues?
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DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
@Michael J.,
Yep, skull cap. I have stopped pulling my hair out
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SLIM Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
@DesertKing,
I didn’t know you wore a yarmulke…
DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
@Slim
Mazeltov my Sharona!
evan chouest Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
@Michael j. what’s up
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evan chouest Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
@evan chouest, My input is as follows. We just won the freakin cup, settle down, the chances of going back to back in this day in age slim and none. If anyone can do it we can, though. We are coming into this season as a contender but not a favorite, I still sense allot of doughters out there . I don’t know how you can’t be convincined after a performance like that but there are those out there that believe LA is not the real deal. Look, Penner is as good as gone, he will cash in on some teasm that is convinced he is the next c.lemieux playoff performer. He’s decent and played well on the second line but with Gagne back and King going for a full season, we can afford to lose him. We cannot afford the 5.0mil plus he will command. I do believe that our real ticket to adding talent is through tradeing bernier, hickey and a 1st rounder, and nolan to columbus for Nash and a 5th dman like wisniewski. We then could save potential f/a money for a late season addition which we will surely need. So we could hve the following lineup(by the way resigning stoll was huge)1st:Brown, Kopitar,R.Nash,doughty,scuderi
2nd:Williams,Richards,Carter,Voyonov,Mitchell 3rd:King,Stoll,Gagne,wisnewski,greene 4th:Richardson,Fraser,Clifford,Quick,Zatakoff losses:bernier,nolan,penner,hickey gains:nash,wisnewski,zatakoff extras:martinez,drewski,westgarth a bit of a risk but consider we have cap space to add a rental at deadline time.Even without these changes and say we lose penner and parse(who i like) and gain nothing more for awhile I believe this is a team that can repeat. This is a very good very deep team, depth worries me a bit but that is a concern with every organization, the depth on our nightly lineup is superior , but we are two or three major injuries away from dropping to a second tier team. Hypothetically, quick hurts his groin, Doughty reports to camp way over weight and Kopitar has trouble with that ankle forcing richards into a 1st liner centre job he realizes he cannot handle after a summer of celebrating with equally partied out winger carter. I love these guys and iu dont think this will happen I have faith in all of them I’m just saying that unpredictable stuff happens and we can only hope we keep our guys healthy and offer them the support they need.This is so huge for the fans the qwner the players for me and my fight agsinst cancer. Did you know my favorite sports teams have always been the nosaints and the lakings and my whole life they have lost. When I had to meet some huge challenges they both came up with championships, io know the saints are in trouble now but watching these clubs has helped me in my fight agsinst one of the rarest and most aggressive forms of cancer around. Thanks Kings.
HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
@DesertKing, Well no, we don’t NEED him, but it’s certainly worth giving it a “college try” (or whatever quote you want to insert). Gagne may not come back and Penner even if he does may not fit in the top 6. And injuries happen too. Above all else, you have to remember even with Carter we went from a horrible offensive team to a just average one. If I were DL I’d set a maximum price in my head that I’d be willing to pay and if he wants to come here for that price, why not?
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Dilapidus Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Gagne will be back… He just got healthy in time to play for the cup. Do you think he’s gonna retire? That is one seriously talented player. He will be back and he will be in the top six.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:00 am
@HockeyNerd,
With carter they turned into an offensive powerhouse. It was like top five production after the trade.
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RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@HockeyNerd,
That is incorrect. We were above average from the time we picked up Carter. The only team that scored more goals per game was Pittsburgh.
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Pili Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 3:21 am
@DesertKing, I agree 100%. Let’s see what this same group can do with Sutter & Carter for the whole season. I think every player, in their on ice interview afer game 6, mentioned the great chemistry and comraderie this team has.
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Did you just say replace Scud? No way… gotta keep a solid D man to back up DD when he pinches and teach that kid how to grow up right in the NHL.
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Shuchuk Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
@Itchy, the day is going to come when our older vets need to be replaced. Rob will be fine with this, he is a pro and he has been paid generously during his time in LA. all sides have won with his signing.
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Itchy Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:54 am
@Shuchuk,
Haha… guess I didn’t make it obvious enough. That was supposed to be a fanboy-esque joke. Scud’s been on a line with DD for 2 or 3 years now and let’s not forget how mature O’Donnell said he was/is before that. haha Just a little joke.
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If I’m DL, I’m more interested in Suter than Parise…That’s where the real “age” on this team is. Either guy is a luxury that would be hard to justify right now. 6 RFA’s, JQ32 & DB23 in the next 2 years to negotiate. You have depth to make a deadline deal. I’d save my pennies if I’m DL.
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Crown Royal Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@FaceWash,
I agree Suter would be more of an upgrade. I think he’s actually better than Weber which is saying a lot. I don’t see the Kings making a strong effort to get him but if I could give the Kings one free agent it would be Suter.
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Kings x Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
@Crown Royal, DET will be on him like flies on ….
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DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
@Kings x,
…squid?
renoabe Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
@FaceWash, Not trying to make a judgement on who is more valuable but the Kings right now seem to have a very solid 6 at the blue line with some potential in the organization behind them. We have a good balance of youth and veterans in the top 6. On the other hand we could really use a top six forward who can put the puck in the net. A top line of Parise/Kop/Williams and a second line of Carter/Richards/Brown would be huge. We would have a third line of Gagne or Lewis/Stoll/King and great depth with Richardson, Nolan, Fraser and Clifford. If any of the kids break through we could make some additional moves to add more youngsters. The NHL is about depth. The teams that seem to win have a fourth line contributing and a hot goalie with very top talent in the top six forwards and depth on D. To do this consistently you need a very strong and deep minor league program.
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andy Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
@renoabe, Don’t forget Lokti in this bunch because the guy superior talent that can’t be denied!!!
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Cry Baby Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:00 am
@andy, To small to make up for the talent. Sutter is a size queen and size was one of the biggest differences in the playoffs this year. No chance Lofti makes the team, he needs to be traded for a 7th rounder.
Pretty sure Quickie gets his raise this year.
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Kings win, Ducks lose Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@Trip, He may sign an extension this year, but it won’t take effect until 2013-2014 season… His cap hit is definitely 1.8 million next season
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
@Kings win, Ducks lose, This.
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Dilapidus Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:01 am
@Kings win, Ducks lose,
Are you sure? Why can’t both parties agree to a new contract to supersede the existing one?
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@Dilapidus, You cannot renegotiate a current contract. That’s why they are called extensions. It’s part of the CBA.
Randy S Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:44 am
@Kings win, Ducks lose,
There were already press reports that the kings would tear up his current contract and present a new one on July 1st…
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:07 am
@Randy S, Then those reports are incorrect or using the wrong wording. No re-negotiations per the CBA as far as I’ve ever heard.
Shuchuk Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@Trip, YUP. he deserves it.
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Kings x Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
@Trip, 6 years 40m
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Steven H Brown Reply:
June 26th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@Trip, This summer is the time to negotiate Quick’s new contract, as they really can’t afford to market Bernier, until quick is signed long term. The fly in the ointment of course is the new CBA. Bernier’s value dropped significantly this year, because of how little playing time he got, due to the need to play Quick to stay in the hunt for a playoff position. As amazing as winning the Cup was, it might not have happened at all if the Dallas Stars hadn’t lost their final 5 games in a row, taking themselves out of the playoffs, for the 2nd year in a row, because they couldn’t finish off the regular season. No doubt the team on the ice for the playoffs was a better team, than the one that struggled to score in November December and January.
I look for DL to learn a lesson, from last years off season, and rather than chase Parise, or Suter, to concentrate on extending JQ. As much as either guy would love to join an SC winning team, neither is going to take less money to come to a place where they won’t be the difference maker, and there is no obvious slot on the team for them to fill. Penner is likely once again moving on after winning a ring, which is too bad for him, but likely a monetary decision, he will have to live with. Depending on the division of property in his divorce, he might need the money and find himself, playing for another non contending team, like he played with in Edmonton.
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Even if we do give voynov and martinez raises next season and re-sign Quick to a big contract Gagne’s 3.5 mil comes off the books next season.
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Mars Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
@OCKingsFan, The only way I see us keeping Gags after 13-2-13 is if he stays healthy and productive. The healthy part worries me.
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OCKingsFan Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@Mars, we won’t keep him and his 3.5 mil can go towards Quick and possibly Parise…hopefully the cap will go up this year after the negotiations between the players and owners
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CB14 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
@OCKingsFan, All indications are that the cap will go down. The other big 3 sports all give their players around 50% of the revenues, the NHL players get 57%. I see that changing after these negotiations, and not in the players favor.
Kings x Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@OCKingsFan, Yep he will retire
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….And they’re worth every penny….
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Kings can make a move for a Parise but the bidding will be fierce. Quick will probably get $ 7 million starting 13-14 but Gagne at $ 3.5 comes off the books and if they can get a youngster to replace either Mitchell or Scaderi they will have plenty of money. I do not believe they will get Parise as there is too much money available by other teams and too many teams interested but they can afford it. Also management may not want to spend to the new cap rules before the new CBA is negogiated so they can make sure to pay Quick.
If they do not get Parise they can sign Penner for two years – maybe at $ 2.5 per year and then they can always trade Bernier for a stud winger next year when we still have cap room.
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Bonvivant Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
@renoabe, There is no way they will pay 7 mil for Quick. That would hamstring Lombardi. My guess would be between 4 and 6 mil.
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renoabe Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
@Bonvivant, We will see. It really depends on the total cap but Quick will not be signing for less than 6 million if his agent is any good. There are at least 10 NHL goalies making $ 5 million + and 4 of those at $ 6 million + annually. Mike Smith is not one of them. Quick will get at least $ 6 million but I really am just guessing.
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SLIM Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
@Bonvivant,
What make you think he won’t get Pekka money?
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Kevco Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
@Bonvivant, why would he take that? less than other top goalies? and he is as good or better then them.
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RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@renoabe,
Vezina finalist, Conn Smythe and Stanley Cup winner. He will get big money, but I don’t think he will be a douche like Doughty. I think he will get a huge payday but will not want to affect the team negatively.
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Steven H Brown Reply:
June 26th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
@RobSD, There is every reason to believe that JQ’s agent will want to see his client become the highest paid goaltender in the league particularly if he signs for a team friendly term, and is not up for renewal, in the seasons, that Kopitar, or Doughty will be up for UFA down the road. A slow start to 2012-2013 won’t change the price either, the closer they get to July 1 2013, the more leverage quick and his agent have. JQ is the top goaltender in the NHL (Vezina or not) and under 30, that gives his agent major leverage, and DL’s only leverage is Jonathan Bernier, who never touched the ice during the 20 playoff games, in 2012.JQ would be a steal @ 49/7yrs, and If i were negotiating for him, I’m looking for 80/10 yrs or more. This is business, gentleman, and the money on the table has to be taken! JQ will not be at the table with DL, who represents AEG in this negotiation, it will be JQ’s agent, who is at the table, and his job is on the line with this negotiation, so he’s got to get every last $ he can not for JQ, but for his agency!
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Parise or Suter would be great, but they’re not coming here. Not sure how many times the Kings need to lose out, but big name free agency is not a game that the Kings will win. It doesn’t matter who the GM is, it doesn’t matter how many Cups the Kings may win. The Kings can sign fee agents, but it will not be on the Parise/Suter/Gaborik/Hossa/Chara/Kovalchuk level.
The roster we see there, that’s the team. The Kings are done. Penner might not even be in the equation at this point, as the Kings now have 14 forwards that are locks or have spots to lose with the signings of Stoll and Fraser. Other than signing Quick, maybe filling out the roster in Manchester, it’s going to be a quiet summer.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
@KingsFan78, No matter how many Cups? You didn’t say why. Why?
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KingsFan78 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), In the NHL universe, the Western Conference, and especially the west coast, is practically a different planet. The big names who have their choice of where to go will continue to sign in the same handful of northeast corridor cities. That’s where they gravitate toward.
If the Kings happen to win multiple cups, maybe that makes a difference down the line. Maybe. Until then, the Kings have 1 (glorious) cup, which doesn’t do anything for anyone other than the guys that were on the team that won it.
With the parity in the NHL, the Kings are more likely not to win it again next year. It’ll be tough just to get back to the finals. The Kings should be in contention for a few years with this core group, but plenty of teams with much better travel and just as much money will have as good a shot at winning the cup as we go.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:19 am
@KingsFan78,
Interesting perspective. I can’t say for certain from a numbers stand point in terms of free agent signings, but I definitely think you’re overselling it. I’d say the Kings stock to attract free agents just catapulted significantly.
As for players leaning towards the East, that’s natural since most players are FROM the East. But different planets? I don’t think so. The last repeat team was from the West. The last 20 Cups have been split right down the middle, 10 for each conference. Prior to that the Oilers were dominate with the best player ever to don a jersey playing the vast majority of his career in the West. Not to mention the Quacks and Nucks who attracted huge names.
The East is certainly the default but I think the Kings just changed the game. Winning will do that, not geography.
RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@KingsFan78,
I think Paul nailed it. With the core players we have and how the team is always talking about how great the atmosphere is and how well the players are treated and get along… I think that is a big deal. Add a cup to that… game changer. There are fare weather fans in every city but the die hard Kings fans are the best. We sell out almost every game. We have an owner that finally wants to win, a great building and you can’t really beat the weather.
I think in the past a big reason nobody would come here is because we were famous for losing and owners that didn’t give a crap. This team will compete for years. Just making the playoffs every year will bring a smile to my face. As we now know… just get in.
So what are my chances, like 1 in 100? More like 1 in a million….
Soooo you’re saying there’s a chance!!!
Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
@KingsFan78, The Kings are in a different position now then they were before, when dealing with free agents. The reason why we were always the bridesmaids instead of the bride is that we haven’t won. All the ufa’s have gone to teams that have a history of winning. We are now one of those teams. From now on we now have more reasons to offer UFA’s then only money. I dont know if Zach wants to come here or not. I do know he will give the Kings a long look now that we have won.
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DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
@Jeff_R,
I agree. Not only do we now have a winning history, we also have a very obvious winning future.
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KingsFan78 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
@Jeff_R, Yes, but most of those teams are all in one specific section of the US and Canada.
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
@KingsFan78, Travel only had to do with it based on the fact that we haven’t won. Now that we have and it looks like we are set for the next 5+ years, free agents won’t care about the travel. All they will see is a team with a future of winning Cups.
Mars Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
@KingsFan78, I cannot see us getting any big name unless they really want to, they may even have to do it cheaper too. DL is not going to risk anything hurting the quick resigning.
I think the staff are really looking towards training camp right now, not so much on the free agent market.
I am thinking that Penner’s chances are dwindling with each passing day, the surgery is a slight issue, his lack of production during the season is the big one, granted the team was then, but he had a bad regular season. Unless he comes in cheap 2.8 or less, I think he wont be a King. I hope he does a two year for 2.5 though, but at the same time, we are getting pretty deep.
Training camp this year will be INTENSE!
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
@Mars, DL has his plan that he came up with. No matter what it takes to sign Quick, it will not stop Dean from paying a top forward like Parise. This also includes raises soon for Brown, Kopi, etc. He is going to go hard after Parise. Whether we get him or not remains to be seen. However it will not be because of money and cap room that we don’t get him.
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renoabe Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
@Jeff_R, I believe the current labor agreement does not allow for a reneogigated contracts. Kop is tied in 4 more years and Brown two more years. Not sure Brown is going to make a lot more than his current cap number of $ 3.175 million when his current deal is up. Recent comments from DL make me believe he will not go hard for Parise unless Parise comes to him and says you are one of the two or three teams I would play for.
Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
@renoabe, I believe that DL had his sights set on Parise the minute Kovy signed with Jersey.
andy Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
@Jeff_R, Luv to see Lombardi go hard after Parise the guy is a star and LA loves its stars big time!!!Good Luck to Dean and Good Luck to the Kings this summer and moving forward!!!
gralx Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:59 am
@Jeff_R, It’s not that I don’t love the guy, cuz I do (man crush LOL) But Kopi is not gonna get too much more that 6.8M. Brown, however, is going to get a nice payday soon.
Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
@KingsFan78,
“The Kings are done”…????
After a 16-4 run to win the Cup, most of the core players coming back and with a full season of Sutter at the helm, the LAK are tops in defending the title.
Maybe the Kings are done…building, trading or plugging new players. But they are far from done scaring the living daylights out of everyone else in the league.
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KingsFan78 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
@Gustavo, That’s what I meant. The Kings are done with the roster for the summer, outside of something weird happening.
In terms of contending, they should be fine for the next few years.
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Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
@KingsFan78,
Gotcha.
One87Money Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
@KingsFan78,
I agree 100% with your comments. I would be surprised to see any moves this summer beyond what you described.
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I know how a, ot of people here feel we don’t need to change anything and that we are fine with what we have. I know the adage if it aint broke don’t fix it. However the way to keep going year after year is to add to your team. Dyanasty’s aren’t created and kept going by standing on your laurels. Even though they were dominate for a 2 month period, doesn’t mean it will keep going that way once next season starts. The Kings need to add to there team and get stronger year after year. Parise is the one we need to go after hard this Summer. Suter is good but we already have Drew and Voynov is coming on as a #2 offensibve defenseman and I believe he will get close to or at Suter’s level. We don’t need another 6+ million defenseman at this time. Especially since we are loaded with prospects in that department. Our biggest need is a Top forward, where Parise comes in. I do feel that we are in Zac’s top 3 in places to go. NJ obviously being #1 but that is debateable. I really think if Zach decides to leave it will be between us and Detroit.
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CB14 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
@Jeff_R, I think Philly is in that mix as well. I would be happy to see Parise sign here as long as it’s not with too big a cap hit. I don’t think we can afford a 7 million dollar cap hit. Mabye do a long term deal that lowers his cap hit to the low 6 million dollar range.
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rumpa#19 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
@CB14, or 5 mil range but that would make him a King 10 yrs. Slim but we do have more leverage than anytime ever before, so if it works out great if not great also.
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CB14 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
@rumpa#19, Yup. If he signs here, great. If not, it’s not the end of the world.
Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
@CB14, I know Dean will make the Cap hit as low as possible so that it won’t hurt our Cap Structure and Zach will still get his pay day. However if he doesn’t sign here, like you said, it isn’t the end of the world. We will still be a team that will contend for the next 5+ years with or without him.
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
@CB14, Philly is crazy. Never know what they are going to do. However they should be concentrating on there defensive woes then anything offensively. Getting Luke Schenn shows me they started doing that and I also think they are going to try and sign Suter. Also Eklund says they are trying to get Bobby Ryan
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Kings x Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
@Jeff_R, There is no money without breaking up a piece of the core
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renoabe Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
@Kings x, As long as the cap stays where it is now projected (and I do not believe it will) there is plenty of money for Parise. Current numbers are we saved $ 1.25 between Stoll deal and Parse and if we do not bring back Penner we are now $ 5.5 million under last season (and we were about $ 85k under last season). Currently the upper cap limit is up $ 6 million or so from last season so we have $ 11.5 million left right now.
For 13-14 we lose Gagne at $ 3.5 million and the only other major issues are Scuderi and of course Quick. Scuderi certainly will not need anymore than his current cap hit and honestly could be replaced by a less expensive alternative in the system already. So we would have $ 17-18 million available to pay for Quick and Parise for 13-14. (note the math on this is the $ 11.5 from above plus the current Quick hit $ 1.8 plus Gagne $ 3.5 plus part of Scuderi (current hit $ 3.4).
If the cap goes down $ 8 million (if the owners get to a 50% number instead of the current 57%) then we really cannot afford Parise but either can a lot of the teams interested in him. At 52-54% we probably can afford Parise and signing Quick.
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IceGuy Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@renoabe,
There are a couple of things to deal with for next year.
Penner stays or not? I say not. Unless he is willing to take a cut, I still don’t trust the guy.
Gagne has a cloud over his head – his health. He’s one big hit away from a very bad outcome. That’s a personal decision for him, but also one for the Kings. Is the gamble worth it?
King seems to have a shot of moving up a line. His physical play looks like a good fit with Richards and Carter (which makes Penner expendable).
Lotki is a Center, and there is just no room for him at the moment. He could be gone.
On Defense, we have to start realistically begin to plan for the replacement of Mitchell and Scuds in a couple of years. I don’t think Drewiski will succeed as a stay at home player. Hickey is too small. I said earlier this year that I believe Martinez should be groomed for a stay at home role, with the potential for occasional break outs. Remember, he does shoot well from the point. The key to our Defense has been stay at home paired with a skater. We have to keep that up if the Kings are succeed long term. Voynov has a great upside. Drew – well he’s proven he’s worth the price.
On Stoll’s line, things start to get dicey. And this might be a place where a trade might come into play. Richardson, Lewis, Cliffy, Gagne if he stays. All might move to Wing for Stoll, but that is going to depend a lot on how Sutter wants the line to perform.
The Frazer line, with Nolan on one Wing, and who knows on the other? This goes back to what I siad last August here – Dean MUST keep the backdoor open for Manchester players to believe they can move up and contribute to the big team. Two years ago it was Clifford and Martinez who seemed to drop out of nowhere to contribute. The Cup season had Voynov get his shot, but more interesting King and Nolan. Young, hungry and cheap players moving up will be the key to keeping the Kings playing at their best over the foreseeable future.
This is the hallowed ground that we’ve all been praying for. A good team, a great team, that can and must get better. Dean and Sutter have to keep their eyes on the future and can’t feel beholden to any one player. Dean made this mistake with keeping Terry Murray a season too long. (Again, nothing against Terry – he just gave the team all he had to give). It was a personal decision, not a hockey decision. I don’t think Dean will make that mistake again.
Right now, it seems to me that the key to the Kings future lies in signing Quick long term, and trading Bernier for the piece we need.
It’s (finally) good to be a Kings fan!
Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
@Kings x, Not true. The Cap is going up to about 70 million and even if the new CBA lowers it, which i don’t think it will, then DL and Jeff Soloman will work it so it doesn’t affect us. We are not the BlackHawks.
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rumpa#19 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
@Jeff_R, Dreaming on a sunday afternoon, would be nice though.
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
@rumpa#19, Sometimes dreams do come true. One did on June 11th, 2012.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
@Tweety Birdwatch_R,
All those years of watching ‘The Wonderful World of Disney’ finally paid off for you, eh, J_R?!!
Randy S Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:58 am
@Jeff_R, who wrote “The Kings need to add to there team and get stronger year after year”
That’s a fallacy. Teams can’t keep getting better and better each and every year. It’s not like these teams are better than the great Edmonton Gretzky teams or Canadien teams of the late 70′s. We just need to prevent slippage. Always keeping a great mix of old an new and sensing when a player will be slipping 1-3 years in the future and trading them when they still have lots of value. Then you can pile up draft picks and youngsters who can continue growing into their roles. But we don’t keep getting better and better indefinitely.
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Go Kings Go!
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Rich knows: The Kings ARE going to take a very big run at Parise. He is a perfect fit for this team – far more than Kovalchuk was two years ago. You get him, Kopi, Brown, Richards, Carter, Quick, Doughty and 4 or 5 others signed to long term deals, and the other parts almost don’t matter.
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DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
@rick,
Sort of disagree. This team won rolling four lines, with all four contributing. Every opponent in the playoffs did their best to take away one or two lines, but they couldn’t stop all 4. We shut down Kovalchuk and Parise and what did NJ have? Nothing.
Quick and Kopitar could be considered “superstars” with Brown and DD approaching that level. Carter and Richards are just below “superstar” level but at the top of “star” level. Keeping a good balance of talent as designed by DL. I am afraid that signing another “superstar” will cost us some of our core people next season.
Give this team a chance show us what they got for a full season now that they have come together and fully understand what DS wants from them. We will have a new offensive coach next season which will help to improve scoring early in the season and earn us a few more regular season victories and an easier path through the playoffs.
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Diego Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
@DesertKing,
I agree, this team didn’t show up until DS did. If DS feels he needs changes then Id’ buy into it. I wouldn’t mess with a bench/room that by all accounts has great chemistry.
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Kings x Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
@DesertKing, Exactly what I said to @Jeff_r
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
@DesertKing, And if we sign Parise we’ll STILL have those 4 great lines. That’s the beauty of it…..
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rick Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
@DesertKing, Understood. I just think that Parise is such a huge upgrade over anyone else we have for the other top six LW, that it is nuts not to go for him if the numbers can be worked out. We would still have guys like Stoll, Lewis, King, Clifford etc. for the other two lines. I wouldn’t want to replace any of them if it could be avoided, but don’t think any are absolutely critical to the team’s ultimate success. Also, and despite the great playoff run, we are still a team that had tremendous scoring problems for long stretches last year, and I for one believe that any offensive firepower we could add – without causing damage elsewhere – is critically important to making us long term contenders.
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
@DesertKing, While I agree with what you are saying, I don’t believe that Parise will affect us the way you think. I believe that Parise is the one player that Dean has been waiting for. While he has gone after other players I really don’t feel he has gone hard like I feel he will do so for Zach. I only think that Brad Richards was the other player he did. As it turned out I am glad we didn’t get Brad as I like Carter better.
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CB14 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
@Jeff_R, I totally agree with you that Dean will go hard after Parise.
Duncanz Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
@Jeff_R,
Not that I’m bothered with the outcome or anything, but I believe Brad Richards woud have prospered here under DS, more so than he was able to at NYR.
It’s fun playing GM every summer, isn’t it?
# 1 Priority for DL:
let’s give Quick his well deserved long term extension…..then let’s go do the annual summer ‘dog & pony’ show to impress whatever free agent maybe available. Impress Zach Parise by showing him how we reward star performance for the players we already have.
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
@Gustavo, DL said mentioned Quick’s name when talking about priorities after he signed Fraser and Stoll. No other name. Logic would conclude that the sooner he can do Quick’s deal, the the sooner he could move Bernier probably for next gen players. Those guys not only help the middle future but help with short-middle term cap space.
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Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
@LA_1968,
Yeah, it looks imminent. Bernier to Toronto after negotiations for Luong break down and Burke and Gills start calling each other all sort of nasty things every time they’re interviewed, lol.
What would be a good trade value for Bernier? Prospects, picks, Kessler or what?
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
@Gustavo, Why? I’m not getting this logic from everyone: we have a winning team do lets stand pat and not go after Parise BUT let’s trade Bernier? Huh? WHY? What hole are we looking to fill? What is wrong with having a very solid backup goalie? Quick may get hurt and even then he rests a few games here and there. Games which we want to win!
Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
@HockeyNerd, Bernier deserves the chance to be a #1. Once Quick is signed that will never happen in Los Angeles. Dean would not hold back Bernier from playing.
HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
@Gustavo, I suppose I should answer your question since its not my decision anyway but DL’s. If we can’t get Parise get a top 6 forward. Draft picks are also reasonable since if we continue to do well we’ll lose out.
LA_1968 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
@Gustavo, Varlamov went to Colorado for a first and a second. Bernier was drafted 12 spots ahead of Varlamov in the 06 draft. Bernier also was goalie of year in AHL two years ago. So his pedigree including his being French Canadian is better. Stats… to compare the two you have to forget what Varlamov did last year. Stats are pretty equal. The thing is that Bernier reads the ice so well. Anyway, first, second, third for Bernier. The third is because Bernier is worth more than Varlamov was. Colorado is happy btw.
Cry Baby Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:10 am
@Gustavo, Kessler is on the Canucks? I think you meant phil kessel.
Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
@Hockeynerd,
Because I believe Bernier’s value has maxed out as a backup goalie and we have two very good AHL goalies pushing their way up to replace him. After last season by Quick, we cannot expect a goalie duty split a la St Louis Blues with Elliot and Halat.
In the best interest of the team, yes, it’d be nice to keep JB backing Quick for eternity, but that’s not what JB wants and at one point he needs to be given the opportunity to go to another team where he can start. He’s not going to replace Quick unless he pulls a ‘Nancy Kerrigan’ on him. What better time to let him go than when we have an AHL All Star goalie to replace him?
We can win those games Quick is resting or injured with an AHL All Star goalie and the solid defense we already have. Just my not so humble opinion.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
@Gustavo, “in the best interest of the team”. You made exactly my point! We are trying to win another Stanley Cup, not do what’s best for Bernier. It’s harsh, but that’s how it works. Everyone has a role. JJ complained “the Kings wouldn’t let him be the player he wanted to be”. Now he can take that -20 or so and help Columbus. Meanwhile, Bernier won some games Jones or Zatzkoff wouldn’t have….and then you can forget Quick’s heroics because WE WOULDN’T HAVE MADE THE PLAYOFFS. I perfectly get that one day we will have a hole to fill and then Bernier will be a luxury we can’t afford. But that day is not today and THAT’S EXACTLY THE POINT. It’s about us–not Bernier.
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Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
@HockeyNerd, You really think Bernier is going to keep his mouth shut after Quick signs his deal? There is only so long Bernier can keep quiet. It will not do the team good to have a disgruntled player messing things up. Dean is also a guy that would not hold back a player. After Quick signs it will be the best time to trade him. Sitting on the bench playing here and there is going to lower his trade value. It will be high after Quick is signed, especially if it is done before the season starts.
HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
@Jeff_R Your post has a lot of speculation… If this, maybe that. Another scenario is that Quick gets hurt and then we’ll be very lucky if we’ve held on to Bernier! And while we’re at it why is it beyond any likelihood to anybody at all that Bernier plays 30 or so games even with Quick healthy? And no, this is NOT @poorman BTW.
LA_1968 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:02 am
@Jeff_R, Totally agree. Bernier is a class act but he’ll tell his agent to talk to DL. If he doesn’t then he’s lost his mind. He is a number one goalie.
RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@HockeyNerd,
I don’t understand this talk. He is signed for another year. He has no say in what will happen to him, it will be what DL thinks is best for the team. I personally think Bernier is going to be very very good. I’m not sure his stats show it though or how much anyone else knows. He will be traded before his contract is up.
*OFF TOPIC* but….
PROOF that Anze Kopitar is the ORIGINAL ‘Pancakes’!!!
http://youtu.be/bMg5bsm7dME
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m.r.morris Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
@Cynic, HOMER Slippers are awesome… Yeah, the pancakes he makes i have had… In the Ukraine but same mix and roll… Yumms.
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I’d rather have Quick, King and about about $17 million for the other 10 guys we need to pay, rather than Quick, King and Parise and only $10M for the remaining 9 guys. It’s a no brainer unless a core guy has to leave.
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renoabe Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
@LA_1968, $ 10m for the rest is probaby fine if you have your top 8 forwards signed and your top 5 defensiveman and Quick. You should have a few youngsters and the fringe veterans for an average of $ 1 million or less. That would be plenty.
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:05 am
@renoabe, But we only have 3 dmen and either $17M or $10M (with Parise) for 2013-14.
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renoabe Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:38 am
@LA_1968, Voynov and Martinez will be RFAs and right now seem like $ 1-2 million guys at that point. So if you sign those two for $ 3 million annually between the two you still have plenty of cash with 5 top defensivemen signed. If it costs $ 4 million between the two you are still in great shape. All you need is one or two of the current kids not on the roster to be able to play. Even if you need to retain Scuderi and pay $ 7 million for the three defensemen you still have $ 10 million to get a back-up goalie ($ 750k) and 5-6 forwards (you already have Parise/Kop/Williams, Carter/Richards/Brown, Stoll/Fraser/Westgarth) in that number so you need to add King ($ 1 million or so), Nolan (probably $ 750k), Lewis $ 1 million, Clifford $ 750k, Richardson $ 1.25m and any other youngster that proves he can play at less than $ 1 million each.
So if you spend $ 6 million on defense (and I do not think Scuderi stays) you can still fill out the roster fine.
Parise $ 7 million (total guess)
Kop $ 6.8 million
Williams $ 3.65 million
Carter $ 5.27
Richards $ 5.75
Brown $ 3.175
Stoll $ 3.25
Westgarth $ 725m
Fraser $ 825m
Daughty $ 7 million
Mithcell $ 3.5
Greene $ 2.95
Quick $ 7 million
Cap expected before new CBA for 2012-13 is $ 70 million. You would have $ 56.9 million tied up in 13-14. If the cap is $ 70 you have $ 13.1 for the 4 defensemen (Voynov, Martinez and 2 others which could include Scuderi or another veteran) and 4-6 forwards which will include King, Nolan and probably Lewis at less than $ 3 million total and 1-3 other inexpensive options (like Richardson and current farm guys) and a back-up goalie at less than $ 1 million.
LA_1968 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:13 am
@renoabe,
Ok. I’ll give you this. They could just barely squeak by with Parise. I took some guesses at the salary of the younger guys resign amounts, plus Quick $7, Parise $6.5, without looking at the total. When I did look at the total I had 13 forward, 7 dmen, and two goalies for a total of a few dollars under $70M. I didn’t makeup numbers trying to keep it under $70M. It was bodies and realistic amounts.
So it’s possible. Never said it wasn’t. It is more about a flexibility preference versus being a bit top heavy. Another thing you notice, that leans to DL possibly wanting Parise, is not signing Penner yet. He said it’s about the wrist and conditioning but he wouldn’t know until later this week. That buys him time to get very close to Free Agent Day on July 1.
Jeff_R Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
@LA_1968, Penner and his 4+ million will be gone, next year Gagne will be gone. Bernier and Lokti will most likely be traded. We will have the space available for both Quick and Parise. I also feel that Parise’s cap hit will be in the high 5′s or low 6′s. It will be front loaded with the later years lessening, not as bad as NJ did with Kovy though.
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
@Jeff_R, I hope you’re doing well. As far as your post goes, Penner and Gagne would be ALREADY gone and their replacements come out of the $17M available after paying King and Quick… if Parise doesn’t come in.
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How can Jordan Stall turn down a ten year contract before July 1st. This is the same situation as Quick, both are UFA’s next year. All I have heard is the Kings have to wait until July 1st.
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renoabe Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
@Joey, STall turned it down becuase he did not want to be a third line center. He wants to be a top six guy and it was attractvive to play with his brother. Quick will sign if the number is close to right by him.
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Kingsfaninportland Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
@Joey, RFA’s are different than UFA’s. You can extend your own RFA’s and give yor pending UFA’s contract extensions before July 1st. Another team can’t offer UFA’s offer sheets until July 1st.
I hope that clears it up.
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It will be nice to not lose any ground this summer chasing after the prized UFA only to miss out with a suitable second best. I really thought chasing kovi cost us a year in acquiring the pieces needed for a run. Who’s laughing now!’
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Duncanz Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
@Kings x,
Kovi’s wife!
She got to meet Mickey Mouse while her husband was making a Mickey Mouse decision …
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RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am
@Kings x,
So many parts to winning the cup are great… but beating Kovi really really made it nice to me. So awesome to stick that up his kiester.
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I’ m wondering how much it’s gonna cost to pay all you GMs
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Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
@puckbobb,
Heck, I’ll GM for free tickets to the game, lol
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Scot Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
@puckbobb,
You’ll have to talk to my agent about that.
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DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
@puckbobb,
Same price as always – nachos
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I don’t get the interest in Suter. What are you going to do with him when you already have Doughty, Voynov and Mitchell? Whose minutes should get cut from that group? Parise makes MUCH more sense to me, unless Gagne makes a full recovery or Penner completely screws his head on we are still one top 6 forward short. And BTW everyone else is going to improve so we have to do same, Stanley Cup not withstanding. Although its certainly a valid point that we have a few people from Manchester who are likely ready.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Well, if you’re looking two years ahead, Suter makes a lot of sense.
Solid stay-at-home Dman, racks up a lot of Assist points.
27 1/2 years old, lots of time left in the NHL.
Worth 3.5 mil in ’11/12.
WM is 35, RS is 33 1/2, in the last season of his contract.
Nice time to make a play for him and rotate the D corps some, perhaps.
Experience and extra depth is a good thing.
Anyway, why wait a year and miss out on an opportunity like this?
Despite the popular concerns Kings are pretty shored up at F right now.
GT is in good hands for sure.
Why not stay abead of the game in the D dept, as well?!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
@Duncanz, And get rid of who? He (Suter) is not going to be a 7th!
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Scot Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
@Duncanz,
Good post! Agree..
Someone suggested somewhere (not on here) the Kings should sign Suter, and trade Scuderi.
Boy, would I hate to see Scuderi go. I LOVE him.
But from a hockey standpoint, what a player that can be had in Suter.
If you replaced Scuderi with Suter straight up, you’re already a better team.
If you then get value back trading Scuderi (which you would — 2 Cups), it’s just gravy!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
@Duncanz, After giving this some thought….. I suppose what I said about Parise sort of applies….if you can get him here at a reasonable price it does kind of make some sense. BUT then let someone go (Scuderi maybe?) and get a top 6 forward for him. Because we ARE much deeper at D.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
@HockeyNerd, And no I didn’t read Scot’s post first, lol
Kings x Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@HockeyNerd, I think you have to replace mitchy and scuds from within the system
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How much maketh Henrik?
JQ deserves on par with him. Take out the East Coast bias, and JQ could possibly have bagged the Vezina. Furthermore, we Kings fans know better, and we could see justification for a Hart Trophy as well. So take that, Henrik.
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Bob Bobson Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 7:58 am
@Robert R, That is probably the market comparable Quick’s agent is using at this point. Lundqvist’s cap hit is at $6.875 right now and has two years left on a six year contract.
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I wonder how hard they work this summer. Is 1 enough for them?
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Duncanz Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
@Eldoret,
What is, a rhetorical question, Alex?
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For you’re viewing pleasure…
They are waiting for Drew to tell his story..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc048ZmB89w&feature=related
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vinny Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 2:49 am
@SLIM, lol nice i dont remember those, and of course penner ftw!
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Should be interesting to see what Penner can get on July 1. If I were DL I’d offer him 3.5 m for 2 years.. Same deal as Michell. I think he’d probably take it.
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RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@DBking,
Too much. Penner stays for less than 3 only. More like 2.5-2.8.
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bottom line…:
it gets very tricky to carry 5-7 players making over $5mil+ per year….
quick will be the 5th player to eventually be paid over $5mil per….more like 6-7 mil per…
so, as RICH duly pointed out, you have to be aware of how you slot the expiring contracts and space future salary commitments….
the kings have avoided…in particular jeff solomon…having multiple future ufa’s high-end expiring contracts occur during the same season….
the challenge will be managing all the salary and renewals in the future…:
imo…this is what’s got to happen…:
1. come july 1st, the first call is made to quick and his agent to determine what he will want….every future move the kings make will be decided based upon that figure…
2. phone calls will be…and should be made…to parise and ray whitney…parise will either go to minny, detroit or philly…maybe even stay in jersey if louie can work his magic…i know parise trains in the off season in l.a and has a lot of friends out here…but because of the financial factors and future obligations, i would consider the kings a dark horse for his services…ray whitney, if he doesn’t re-sign with the coyotes, is a real good option and makes the penner situation moot – i rather have a whitney than a penner in out top 6/9…imo…
3. deciding on the futures of richardson, clifford and westgarth – even while they are under contract for next season, have to be discussed…as much as i like all three of these guys to varying degrees, tough decisions will have to be made…if i’m clifford and richardson, i’m looking over my shoulder…clifford under performed this year…although he brings nice thins to the team, the upstarts and prospects come training camp will be vying to replace them…it’s just a matter of financial sense and asset protection…
4. if quick and the team can get a on the same page with dollars and term, bernier should be traded – his value has never been higher…another year on the bench diminishes his trade worth…plus jones and/or zatkoff are nhl-ready…in the worst case scenario if quick gets injured, there are an abundant veteran goaltenders with proven track records that can hold down the back up spot…
5. penner’s future will be decided when dl and ds discuss him in their upcoming meeting…the fact that he needs wrist surgery and the concern that dl has about keeping up his cardio during the summer is leading me to believe that their offer to penner will be somewhere between $2.5mil – $3mil…and i would only do a one year deal with and option for a second year…that’s the best case scenario for him…
6. depending on the outcome of the drew doughty situation, if for some reason charges are gonna be filed and he has to go to trial, the kings have no choice but to look at shea weber…under the circumstances of losing a franchise d-man in drew, you would have to replace him instantly…
now, we all hope that these charges are erroneous and have no merit…but of for some reason if charges are filed and drew has to go to trial, it will not only tarnish, possibly destroy a future hall of fame career, bu cause tremendous heartbreak throughout the team and we, the fans…
here’s hoping that when all the facts come out within the next 48 hours, that drew is exonerated and we can move on with the team’s future plans….however, if there’s evidence that gets released that he did do it, he deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows -sadly…but again, it appears by preliminary accounts that the charges will be dismissed…we are still in “wait and see” mode…
7. training camp is gonna be awesome…you have so many prospects chomping at the bit to make the squad…and that’s why the aforementioned players….richardson, clifford and westgarth have to come out strong and outplay the new comers….
8 the good news is that ethan moreau, trent hunter and allyn mcauley’s contracts come off the books freeing up about $3-4 mil….
we are in great shape as an organization…we might be in the best health of any team in the league….
let’s hope that this drew situation is nonsense and then we can move forward strengthening an already solid team….
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InTheCrease Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
“5. penner’s future will be decided when dl and ds discuss him in their upcoming meeting…the fact that he needs wrist surgery and the concern that dl has about keeping up his cardio during the summer is leading me to believe that their offer to penner will be somewhere between $2.5mil – $3mil…and i would only do a one year deal with and option for a second year…that’s the best case scenario for him…”
–I do not believe everything we have been told on this. The wrist issue may just be a good excuse to buy some time while negotiating with Parise… If Parise wants to come to LA, then it’s so long to Penner (and possibly Gagne too).
“6. depending on the outcome of the drew doughty situation, if for some reason charges are gonna be filed and he has to go to trial, the kings have no choice but to look at shea weber…under the circumstances of losing a franchise d-man in drew, you would have to replace him instantly…”
–No way DD is ever going to trial. Even if the DA does file charges (and that would only happen if it was a slam dunk), DD’s got the money to pay the girl off.
Just my humble opinion…
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variable Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
@InTheCrease,
i’m very optimistic regarding drew’s situation…but i’m also throwing caution to the wind…
i just don’t think parise willland in l.a….he just bought a house in minnesota and i think other teams are gonna be willing to offer him more money/term than we will…
however, if he somehow lands here – look out, nhl…:)
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luc20rules Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
@variable, I agree DL will break out the calculator and will not over pay for Parise or anyone else. UFAs almost always get overpaid, I don’t really see Parise saying I want to be a King for about 6 mil/yr when several other teams will be offering closer to 7 or 7+Mil/yr. If DS is the coach then any superstar the Kings forward signed will be slightly overpaid by virtue of DS rolling 4 lines and nobody plays more than 25 mins/game. I agree with most everything in your post, but don’t think DL will overpay for Weber either and the DD situation will not be cleared up in time for the bidding. So I am assuming you are talking trade, but the Cap figure will be looked at. Lets just hope we never have to worry about that one.
renoabe Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Luc20rules, I don’t understand the opinion that Sutter uses his fourth line more than others and that he does not play his top lines as much. I was watching very closely in the playoffs (box scores) and in all four rounds I did not see our fourth line get more minutes than the opponents fourth line and our top lines seemed to get as much ice time as all of the other teams guys.
Our top guys (first two lines) got 18-22 minutes per game and our fourth line guys got 6-10. It was the same for all teams we played. Typically DD and Mitchell played more than the top D guys on the other teams but again if was pretty similar.
Bob Bobson Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:28 am
@variable, Ugh, losing Drew to a prison sentence never really entered my mind but it is a scenario the Kings have to be examining. I don’t think this affects how hard they go at Suter but it is probably something they keep in the back of their minds at the very least.
I think the Kings do go after both Suter and Parise but I doubt we win on either of them. I actually see PIT or DET getting one or both realistically. Cup win aside, we are still not the preferred destination in terms of win history or ability to pay salary. Rich’s post about the 13/14 season should temper people’s expectations about what we can pay. Also Brown is a potential UFA after that season and after taking a MASSIVE paycut in his current contract we can expect him to get paid more than the $3.175 cap hit he is at right now.
Bernier is interesting b/c:
1) his trade value is high and will probably get higher as he gets more games played (pure speculation)
2) he requested a trade last season so he can be a #1 somewhere and Dean-o has said he deserved it (do not remember where I saw all this though so feel free to call me out on BS)
3) he was not traded last season because there was concern about whether Jones or Zatkoff are ready for the NHL and I have seen nothing that proves they otherwise
I think Bernier stays unless the Kings get some overwhelming trade offer now.
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RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@Bob Bobson,
You guys are crazy. If you have read anything about the “Drew problem”, there is no chance he goes to jail. As noted earlier, almost every news agency reports that there are major credibility problems with this person. Second, she hired the human trash of Gloria Allred, which means she is looking for money. They file charges, Drew pays her and she doesn’t testify, which means the DA has no case. These are he said, she said trials. Without the alleged “victim” there is no trial.
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Bob Bobson Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
@RobSD, Agreed, I also do not think that Drew will go anywhere but it has to be something the Kings at least think about.
variable Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
@RobSD,
we don’t anything for sure yet…..
…and we’re not crazy….:)
gralx Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:26 am
@variable, 1A) The phone call to Quick/agent has already happened. They cannot sign him (ink) until July 1st. But, he IS the Kings property and there is nothing keeping them from talking. Don’t be surprised if the first thing that comes out on July 1 is Quick’s re-upping.
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variable Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
they still have to wait to july 1st…..
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when do the playoffs start? im itching for our next run,cant wait!!!!!
found this vid and and jsut brings back all the great memories,brought back some tears of joy again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HC4EqLsaqs&feature=related
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luc20rules Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
@gmo, “Awesome”
DS 2012
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I keep hearing all of this talk about going after Nash/Parise/Suter… but what about Semin? A real solid LW, and as far as I know, he won’t have any more military duty to take care of.
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Geekonomist Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@Geekonomist, Heck, if we need to add to our LW, we could probably get a good deal on Brett Sutter even. :/
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DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
@Geekonomist,
Frolov Part Deaux
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Scot Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
@Geekonomist,
Yeah, no.
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Michael J. Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
@Geekonomist,
Once again, this is why nobody in their right mind wants Semin on the Kings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM
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KyleK Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 3:39 am
@Geekonomist, A real solid player? Skill yes, but a head case and poison in a locker room.
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I keep hearing all of this talk about going after Nash/Parise/Suter… but what about Semin? A real solid LW, and as far as I know, he won’t have any more military duty to take care of.
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Lake Forest Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
@Geekonomist, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM
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Duncanz Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
@Geekonomist,
Alexander Semin is known as a streaky player and it is certainly no coincidence that the last two years he has been playing on one year extensions; ’10/11 at $6 Mil and 201/12 at 6.7 Mil incidentally.
He subsequently repaid an admittedly much less offensively freewheeling Washington Caps with his lowest career Goal total (21) in his equal highest career no. of Games Played in a regular season (77). In playoffs he was; 14 GP, 3 G.
If you’re not sure about whether to sign Penns at above or below the $3 Mil mark, how would you feel about taking on a risk of such “Seminal” proportions?
Yup, me neither!
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Klong Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
@Geekonomist,
He’s not a Lomabrdi type of player. Lombardi loves solid two way players and rightfully so
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
@Geekonomist, I remember hearing he doesn’t backcheck. If true, that is definitely not someone I want playing here.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
@HockeyNerd,
I was surprised to discover the following about him:
Carreer Reg Season; …… GP__469/__+65
2011/12; …………………….. GP___77/___+9
Last 4 Seasons; ………….. GP__277/__+92
Career Playoffs; …………… GP__51/____-1
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Kings x Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am
@Geekonomist, K k k k k k. KHL
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Quick deserves at least 4.5-5.5M on a 5 year deal. Martinez and Voynov should get 1.5 M on 2-3 years while other contracts maybe traded. LA has to keep Clifford around he’s the future at 3rd LW. Kings have to also sign Loktionov to a 1.5M deal. Ditto for Lewis. In a year the Kings will have to decide on Scuds 3.4M contract and either re-up or let him UFA which I doubt happens. There are some prospects in Manchester that should be ready for employment in LA so room has to be made. I’d make whatever moves I’d have to get Parise,he’s a great player. Gagne,Penner should be let go I think even Richardson for some picks.Wasn’t sure of the Stoll re-up but I guess having that strong 3rd line centre helps. I make a 4th line with Lokti at centre and Fraser at LW,with Nolan at RW. Hopefully in 3 years Lokti moves up to 3rd line Centre and Lewis takes over the 4th line checking centre role occupied by Stoll.By that time Vey and Toffoli move up and gives the LA attack more bite.and a year later Andreoff and Pearson…Like to see the Kings bring back Moller and Holloway from Skelleftea they had terrific seasons and playoffs.NIce that the Kings have all these problems,problems of wealth and depth galore!!!Go Kings Go!!!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
@andy, I don’t see a future for Lotki here. He has to play at center to be effective and Kopitar, Richards and Stoll are going nowhere. You could maybe have a 4th line of something like Lokti, Toffoli, and Clifford but I don’t see DS doing something like that. Let him go and get some picks.
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DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
@HockeyNerd,
I agree. He would be better matched on a eastern conference team that just plays offense.
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Geekonomist Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
@andy, I think with Stoll settling into his role, we have the best third line in the league. It’s great because we can use that line to PK against other team’s top PP lines, which means as soon as the PK ends, we bring out a fresh first or second line and get the jump on our opponents post-PK. I think this has been a key to our post-PK surges, one that no one has figured out yet. Honestly, our third line beats many second lines and even some top lines and is a big part of our team identity.
Our fourth line is the line that needs to be shored up over the next couple years. It’s one of the best in the league, but with the right pieces, all four lines can truly be a threat. EVERY one of our lines IS a checking line, but I think the fourth line could become a contributing line with the right acquisitions.
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RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@andy,
Quick will make way more than 4.5. He is coming off a Vezina nom, and winning a Conn Smythe and Stanley Cup. Tons of goalies that couldn’t hold his jock are making way more than that. I think if DL lays out a plan and says, Quick, if you take this… we can do this, this and this… maybe he takes a hometown discount. I think management really wants to reward him though.
Completely off topic… the Saints have a lot of nerve for what they are pulling with Breeze. Guys is a class act and they are totally screwing him.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@RobSD,
Sure, but what do you think about parity in Nascar?
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Well the next few weeks and training camp should be interesting. Just about everyone but Penner is back and IF DL thinks he needs to improve the team anyway he certainly has a lot of options!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
@HockeyNerd, This is interesting. Let’s assume just for the sake of assuming something that Penner is not re-signed, no free agents are signed and there are no other changes. Gagne moves to the 2nd line, Richardson, Nolan and Fraser are the 4th line. Clifford is already an extra now and you have to pick between keeping Lokti or Westgarth — your roster size doesn’t let you have both. On Defense, if ONE player out of Hickey, Muzzin or Forbort is ready, you gotta let Drewiske go.
So if Toffoli is ready or a free agent is signed DL has some tough decisions ahead.
This is awesome!
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Cav Pilot Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 7:44 am
@HockeyNerd, These have been my thoughts exactly.
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Since so many of you are in favor of moving Bernier I think it’s fair to ask 3 Questions:
1. What are you looking to get for him?
2. What would you do for the backup?
3. What do you do if Quick gets hurt?
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DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
@HockeyNerd,
1. Draft picks
2. Sign one of the many veterans out there or speed up the development of the guys in Manchester
3. Pray for the CBA to be voided by the Supreme Court and the season placed on hold.
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luc20rules Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
@HockeyNerd, 1. I would keep Bernier until an injury occurs and the depth from Manchester fails to fill the void. Then a trade must be reviewed.
2 & 3. We have 2 NHL ready Goalies in Manchester in Martin Jones & Jeff Zatkoff with 0.919 and 0.920 Save Percentages last year at Manchester. So really we have 2 options that we can try should either falter. If we need to we can trade for a Goalie with just in the event Quick were to get injured and Jones & Zatkoff fail in the NHL.
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Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
@HockeyNerd,
1. What are you looking to get for him?
First and second round pick + a prospect
2. What would you do for the backup?
Jones or Zatkoff, whoever is in better NHL form. Carry both during the preseason.
3. What do you do if Quick gets hurt?
Move up Jones or Zatkoff to back up each other. They’re already used to doing just that.
Place more responsibilities on the defense to keep the puck out of the zone until Quick returns
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Token Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:27 am
@HockeyNerd,
4. What if Quick wants to go back east to play hockey near his family?
Oh my, now I’ve done it.
Never dismiss the fact that on the other side of the contract negotiation is a human being that may not want the same things you do.
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RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@Token,
You’re coo coo for cocoa puffs. Never dismiss the fact that Quick could be an alien and fly back to his home planet.
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Kings x Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@HockeyNerd, Top 9 + vet goaltender
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Doughty makes twice as much as Scuderi and Mitchell so he should work twice as hard than they do ehe
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JD Reply:
June 26th, 2012 at 1:27 am
@Flipsonic, No, he has twice the talent, so it evens out
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You’ve got to see how the team plays with virtually the team intact and DS having (hopefully) a full training camp and ‘his’ assistant coaches. No need to move Bernier now–Jones or Zatkoff aren’t NHL ready yet. Penner will probably return…I don’t think any other team except ANA will take a chance on him…I think he really appreciated the support from the team this year. We we’re extremely lucky during this playoff run…no one except for Cliffy missed games and we got a bonus with Gags coming back, even though Richardson play well. I say that DL goes for depth rather than find an over priced UFA.
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CupRun2013 Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
@CupRun2013, “like Parise, etc.” plus we hav ethe luxury of being “defending Cup Champion”…LA will be more attractive now that we hold the Cup…
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You know who has a lot room to Sign Parsie & Suter! Then trade for Nash!
THE DUCKS! They have 31 mil cap space to get all 3, that’s even if you sign Selanne @ 4.0 mil again!
I think this won’t happen, this what someone told me who works for OC Rigester newspaper!
If Bobby Ryan wants a trade, don’t be surprised for a Nash for Ryan trade to happen! Now ducks have 25 mil cap to fill in!
Suter 6.5 & Parsie 6.5 and still have room to sign the others on the team! But most likely they will only sign one…
If This happens, which looks like a 50% chance, the ducks will be scary team! Makes since now why they traded Lubo to clear some space…
Silence of Lambs is what ducks might pull off July 1st! Hopefully some other teams spoil this move… Like the Kings signing Prasie letting Penner go, putting Gagne on waivers….
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DesertKing Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
@Sammuch,
Bring them on! They would still only have one true scoring line and no defense.
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Geekonomist Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
@Sammuch, Gagne on waivers? He has one year left on contract and his contributions on a third line would be well worth his cap hit. And we don’t have any urgent needs right now, so why not keep our guns fully loaded? I cannot imagine a scenario where we don’t finish out Gagne’s contract. Or at the very least save him until trade deadline.
I think Suter will be looking for a big paycheck if he leaves Nashville, but also might be looking to be on a Cup contender team, and that is certainly not the Ducks. Same with Parise, but with the dry free agent market, I can’t imagine him signing for only $6.5m… not with the Red Wings, Pens and half a dozen other teams drooling over him.
I could imagine a scenario, though, where we keep Gagne and deal Williams to get Parise. Though I honestly think that Suter would be a better match for our team and be able to fill in eventual holes left by Scuderi and Mitchell.
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Sammuch Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
@Geekonomist,
I like what you said, I agree with most of your scenario, but, Ducks have cap room, with Getz, perry, & if they get Nash, I can see Suter & Parsie saying we got something here to look at, if they get Nash before July 1st! Plus, they also ranked 7th best prospects NHL, They have good goalie & Fowler is looking good on the D too!
I hope this all just rumors &your scenarios comes true…
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Geekonomist Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
@Sammuch, I think that the Ducks scenario has too many moving parts, with each piece being highly sought by many big wallets. The scary scenario for me is the Red Wings. What if they manage to get both Parise and Suter? Honestly, the two signings that I consider “possible” that I’m most hoping for are Matt Carle and Dustin Penner.
Of course, I would be thrilled to get Parise, but not at the expense of any of our existing pieces. One thing to consider is what would happen if we signed an extension for Quick that begins the year that Penner and Gagne’s expire? It could work, but at the same time, next year’s free agent market is much richer and we’d be clipping coupons by then.
Sammuch Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
@Geekonomist,
I just looked at Det cap space at 24 mil. Parsie & Suter thing, I think that might happen, but they might need 14 mil to sign them that would lave 10 mil, that would be tight!
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Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
@Sammuch,
The Quacks management is destroying whatever positive reputation they built by bringing Brodreau with the way they’re treating Bobby Ryan. You think Parise, Sutter and Nash are not paying attention to that?
None of those players will go to Anaheim. They got veto power (Nash) or are UFA (Parise, Sutter).
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Now there might be a lot tweaking to do for 2013-2014, and I do agree but then there contracts that come out the book Gagne, Richardson, Scuderi and even when quick is listed in there, he won’t be..
You can be smart to look, but how far, what about Toffoli, Hickey, and supposed list runs deep so who or whoever grabbing a spot that we can move some parts etc. A lot of teams are able to that, so why not us.
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Gustavo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
@kyle,
I don’t think Hickey is going to crack the big team.
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kyle Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:59 am
@Gustavo, look at his +/- comparing to other guys on that team, its below
A lot of guys on minus, just saying..
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If there’s one player I wouldn’t mind on the team even if he’s a support player and if we can get him away from his brother is Andrei Kostitsyn. I could live with getting him.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
@Larry,
Great idea. He was such a great influence on Radulov.
What’s gonna happen when he gets his sweaty gloves on VV?
Or worse DD???
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And what about Matt Carle? The poor man’s Suter, playing for Kings East.
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gmo Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
@gmo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8X8_J08bM
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Save, Hrudey! Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:17 am
@gmo,
Niiiice.
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gralx Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:39 am
@gmo, Thought I was all done. But, as it turns out I was wrong. Got me again LOL
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What in gods name r some people here talkin about? We just won the Frigin cup! We don’t need Parise! He couldn’t do squat invthe final against us! I would much rather have penner! He is an unstopable force when his head is in the game. I don’t care if he eats pancakes all year. If he shows up in the playoffs the way he did, he is huge. And great for the fans.
Pancakes all the way for me.
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I am gonna stop reading this wheeling and dealing talk from kings fans. I am in love with every player on this team for bringing us the cup. So any talk of trading any of them, especially guys like Williams is just mercenary. Come on kings fans. Stop the drooling. Our grass is the greenest in the league.
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I hate to use another COMPLETELY unrelated sport to draw a comparison from, but of course I will. In Cup racing (NASCAR) you have to keep up with the track because it is constantly changing. And so is the complexion of all the NHL teams. Everyone is going to try to matchup with us. If we do nothing, we stand to be passed. If we do something and it doesn’t work, then we could also be passed. And finally, if DL earns his check, he will do a little something to either mix up his line up or plan for the future in drafts via trades. Everyone could come up with 50 different players possibilities, but the fact is we have our core and a few pawns to be played with. Deep in defense and a starting back up goalie in JB. We can plan for the future with draft picks there. Like most see the future, you’ll have some big names and the rest will be in the 750k-1.5 range role players.
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RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@cac90277,
Sorry bud, you lost me at Nascar. Couldn’t finish reading after that.
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I think Quick ‘ll sign for 6.1 for 4 years.
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so take Your pict here there”s a lot of to be proud of, either to trade or bring up, like I said before, we have the assets to keep dynasty when we get there, one Cup doesn’t cut it. But all the talk of being bad shape etc. financially is just bs.
I edited those players who will be gone soon, but we can take Parise’s and Quicks contracts easily.
GKG
Manchester Monarchs 2011-12 Individual Stats
# Player GP G A PTS +/- PIM PP SHG SOG SH%
15 Justin Azevedo (X) 63 28 22 50 -12 37 7 3 170 16.5
26 Brandon Kozun 74 20 26 46 -3 58 7 0 134 14.9
9 Linden Vey (X) 74 19 24 43 5 16 1 1 118 16.1
22 Marc-Andre Cliche (X) 72 17 24 41 9 35 4 1 148 11.5
14 Patrick Mullen (X) 69 13 28 41 -7 45 4 1 114 11.4
3 Jake Muzzin (X) 71 7 24 31 -3 40 4 0 156 4.5
37 Thomas Hickey (X) 76 3 23 26 16 36 2 0 139 2.2
27 Robert Czarnik 49 8 15 23 7 32 3 0 90 8.9
48 Andrei Loktionov (X) 32 5 15 20 4 10 1 0 88 5.7
55 David Meckler 44 10 7 17 10 13 2 0
76 Slava Voynov (X) 15 2 2 4 1 4 0 1 35 5.7
10 J.D. Watt (X) 19 2 1 3 -3 27 1 0 16 12.5
29 Rob Mignardi 23 2 1 3 -1 18 0 0 27 7.4
5 Jordan Hill 41 1 2 3 -6 35 0 0 32 3.1
49 Justin Johnson 44 1 2 3 -2 187 0 0 17 5.9
31 Martin Jones (X) 41 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
12 Andy Andreoff (X) 5 1 0 1 0 4 0 0 8 12.5
19 Jordan Weal 2 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 4 0.0
11 Paul Crowder (X) 5 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 4 0.0
36 Jeff Zatkoff 44 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
BENCH 76 6 10 6
TOTALS 76 207 344 545 -10 1325 47 15 2245 0.090
# Goalies GP Mins W L SOL SO GA GAA SVS SV%
36 Jeff Zatkoff 44 2432:26 21 17 1 3 101 2.49 1161 0.920
31 Martin Jones (X) 41 2166:15 18 17 2 1 94 2.60 1062 0.919
TOTALS
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Let me preface this with I have no clue how it works. I am just guessing….so
If the new CBA comes out and player revenue is cut, then what the league should do is leave the cap where it is at 70 million call it the HARD cap and it stays at 70 million until league revenues are enough where the cap would reach that amount. Then it would increase accordingly. This would be the most a team could spend. If the players revenue drops and the cap is lowered then the lower cap (let’s say 60 million) would be (for now) the soft cap. Then the floor would be based on the soft cap. A team exceeding the soft cap would be charged 50% tax on the amount over and that would be split amongst the teams.
IE…something like this…GMs are basing their deals on 70 million so if the player revenues drops don’t tell these teams that now they can only spend 60 million as that handcuffs some teams. Tell the teams that the cap is 60 million and they need not spend more than that. The floor is based on the 60 so it’s around 40 or so…teams need only spend up to that. But if a team is over 60 million (let’s say 65) then they’d be taxed 50% on the 5 million so they’d have to pony up 2.5 million to be put into a fund that is split equally among the teams. This way a GM isn’t suddenly shedding deals or what have you to get to the lower cap, but a GM can spend less cause the floor of the cap and the ceiling are lower.
Know what I mean? This means that teams with money Boston, Detroit, LA, NY etc can spend up to the original amount of 70 but they’d pay a luxury tax on anything exceeding the cap set by player revenues. It would only occur for a few years, as if the cap increases 3 million a season then in 3 or 4 years the HARD cap would be 70 or more and you could drop the luxury tax. This way owners that don’t wish to spend would get a kick back from those that do, but you are not punishing teams that are using the 70 million cap right now.
I look at San Jose, Boston, Chicago…I mean BOston has 66 million in 22 players. If the cap dropped to 62 million, they’d have to sign at least 1 more guy ,but also shed 4 million in contracts. San Jose has 15 men, needs 8 more but only has 11 million to spend. If the cap drops to 62 they’d have 2 million for those 8 guys. What a conundrum.
Unless i have no clue how the whole thing works and I am just spouting a bunch of baloney.
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Shakes Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 6:28 am
@eskymi, i dunno if that’s how negotiations work, but that first paragraph is really thoughtful. that seems like a great compromise/transition agreement to keep the economics in line but also look forwrad to growing the game
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Bob Bobson Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 7:54 am
@eskymi, That is an interesting idea. I would guess that the owners with the biggest pull in CBA negotiations are probably the ones that have the highest salaries and would go along with this.
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:41 am
@eskymi, Personally I like a hard cap for all teams and I like that the NHL is the only major sport doing this. Probably explains why we have had 10 different SC champions over the last ten years. How fair is it that the Yankees can spend 100 million more in payroll than the average team and then write off the luxury tax as a cost of doing business? Same with Lakers although they sort of suck at it. Fair is Fair and small market teams should not be even more disadvantaged by having a soft cap.
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I know I’m going to be in the minority on this one, but I’d like to see them come back with the same guys again and give it another go. Depending on Penner’s demands, that would be the only part i’d replace.
Every year we go thru the same thing..we need this big free agent or that one, but somwehow we won without getting Kovalsuck and Brad Richards. This is a rare instance where we can bring back the same guys, still young enough to win again, and with the character that these guys have, I don’t see motivation being a big issue.
I’m glad we brought back Stoll and Fraser. The Kings will remain strong up the middle for the foreseeable future.
Go Kings!
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Gmo Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 6:30 am
@nykingfan,
Im 100% with you, I mean why not?teams that win the cup in this cap era seem to be dismantle right after winning the cup, but not the KINGS. We have a unique opportunity of bringging the exact same team. LET’S DO!!!! REPEAT!!!
GO KINGS GO
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Stuart Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:28 am
@nykingfan, AND it seems that DL is big on addition by subtraction, too! Trade J+/-J out of town, we get a cup. Dump J”the anti-PP”K and our PP will be top 5 in the league!
Next year, DS will have to amend his logic because it’s going to be a 4-1 league for teams the Kings are playing!
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DesertKing Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:38 am
@Stuart,
Did someone mention a Deadhorse?
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Stuart Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:39 am
@DesertKing, I was actually referring to a soon-to-be bottle of glue!
Token Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:49 am
@nykingfan, DL is doing exactly that. Other than Parse and Penner (UFA) & King (RFA) the whole team is under contract.
Right now, today, we have 22 roster players under contract.
If DL does sign Penner & King, one of the kids will have to go down, Nolan or Cliffy would be a good bet (Waiver exempt) plus Loktionov.
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PaulHB Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:58 am
@nykingfan, “Somehow we won without Kovalchuk or Brad Richards”? I think that’s a bit of revisionist history don’t you? The Kings DID get Richards last offseason and Carter at the deadline. Those two acquisitions are as big as any free agent signing.
I honestly believe if the Kings want to repeat they need a big change. Let’s not forget that this team was bottom of the league in scoring and on the power play, and save for a few games in the playoffs they won the Cup mostly with great goaltending and defense. Carter & Richards are good but they seem to run very hot and cold, much like Brown has done his whole career.
I say if the Kings can get their hands on Nash or Parise they have to do it. Everyone else will be gunning for them and other teams in the West have or will get better. The Kings almost missed the playoffs. If they don’t score goals consistently next year they will not make the tournament next year.
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Stuart Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:10 am
@PaulHB, but let’s not also forget that it took about 3/4 of the season to shake the TM malaise…
With JK gone, our PP already climbed into the top half o f the league and with a full camp/season with DS, there’s no reason to believe that it will be top 10.
IMO, the years of hot cold DB and AK are gone now. They are now chock-full-o-experience of what they need to do, how they need to prepare, what they should expect of themselves to let 8-20 games go by with them being invisible.
Can you look yourself in the mirror and honestly believe that they will even be in the bottom HALF in scoring this season? I can’t.
As the timeless Tina Turner once said “we don’t need another hero!” We have a cohesive team with more experience that any other that we’ve ever fielded (can’t recall having 23 SC winners on our roster)! Roll the dice and see you in the postseason!
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DesertKing Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:54 am
@Stuart,
Alpo dogfood alert!
Duncanz Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:10 am
@Stuart,
Y’know ….
You’re simply the best, better than all the rest. Better than anyone, anyone I’ve ever met. I’m stuck on your heart and hang on every word you say. Tear us apart, baby I would rather be dead.
[sniffles a little]
nykingfan Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:41 am
@PaulHB,
You talk about Richards and Carter running hot and cold and I won’t disagree with you…espercially about Carter. Something wasn’t right with Richards for a good chunk of the season.
If we would have gone the free agent route like many people wanted and signed Brad Richards, we would be staring at an older player being paid as if he was in the prime of his career. I’m sure the Rangers are kicking themselves somewhat and will be even more if he continues to decline. He’s 32 years old. That’s usually the time when guys are heading downhill, not the otehr way.
When you sign a free agent you’re paying him for what he’s done in the past, not what you can or realistically should expect him to do in the future. MR and Carter are 27..right in the meaty portion of their prime.
as far as Nash..I just don’t see it. He’s never lived up to be what he should have been. He’s a good player, but never made his team better.
Whatever Columbus is asking for him is ridiculously high because everyone is laughing about their demands. Why do we want to get back in that sweepstakes, unless you feel giving up VV and other young players to get him is worth it. I don’t think so!
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puck73 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am
@nykingfan, This was a great discussion by everyone, and alot of interesting points! I think DL should bring everyone back, and let some of the young players try as hard as they can to see if any of them are ready to take a position away from a regular. Thats called competion! Its good for the veteran, and its good for the young player trying to earn a spot on the roster!
Shotongoal Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:41 am
@nykingfan, I’m fine with the roster as it stands now but, I think Lombardi has to at least do his due diligence and talk to Parise if he’s available July 1st, and I think he will. Nash, well I think that all depends on what CBJ wants for him but, I’m sure Lombardi at the least makes an inquiry about him. I’m sure he will also make some calls to other UFA’s too. The interesting thing for me though is to see how some of the youngsters look in camp.
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RobSD Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@nykingfan,
Richards, Carter, Gagne and Penner. How have we not changed year to year?
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nykingfan Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@RobSD,
I’m not talking about changing year to year..I’m talking about getting the high priced free agents. I understand DL went after Kovalchuck and Richards hard, but sometimes the best moves are the ones not made. He went the trade route instead which usually brings better results.
This year theere’s very little need to change the team..
Do we really need to invest a ton of $$ to go after Parise when we need to take vare of our own coming up in the very near future?
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How much do you give a Stanley Cup Champion, Conn Smythe trophy winning, Vezina Candidate goaltender?
You have to assume that Quick deserves to be, and will be amongst the highest paid goalies in the league. Here are the top paid goaltenders…
Pekka Rinne – 7m
Lundqvust – 6.875m
Luongo (haha) – 6.714m
Bryzgalov – 6.5m
Cam Ward – 6.4m
Ryan Miller – 6.25m
My guess is a 6 to 8 year contract between 6m and 6.5m average cap hit.
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PaulHB Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:52 am
@Sebastian, I’d say the real question is how much will Quick settle for? To be honest, when I heard rumors last week that the Kings were pursuing a trade for Luongo, I thought “uh oh! maybe they don’t think they can sign Quick??”
Quick is better then Ward & Bryz, and Miller is underpaid. I doubt Quick signs for any less then $6.5M, and that’s only if he gives the Kings a hometown discount.
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:56 am
@Sebastian, Strange because last year many teams were having salary cap issues and not paying 6 million for a goalie was a huge advantage for the Kings. If the salary cap actually goes up 6 million for this year, than I think it’s a no-brainer locking Quick up for 6 million a year.
It’s crazy how Philly and Vancouver handicapped themselves with their goalie situation. I think Quick will do a Stolly and re sign under what he could get just because the Kings are a class organization and the team atmosphere seems to be positive and turmoil free.
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PaulHB Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:03 am
@BringBackButchGoring, I love how Kings fans have re-written the team’s history books in the last two weeks. “The Kings are a class organization”?? This team has a 45 year history of low balling it’s own potential free agents and refusing to pay for incoming free agents. Rob Blake was the most obvious victim of this but the Kings history is littered with guys who got shafted by this team. Yes, they took some big financial steps the last couple of years but they’ve also made big mistakes. We’re not the Red Wings people, and just because we’ve won a Cup doesn’t mean we’re turning into them.
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:07 am
@PaulHB, I’m talking about the current ownership and current GM, which makes us one of the class organizations in the NHL at this time. That is the team Quick would be signing with, no? Not the Kings team from 10 years ago….
DesertKing Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:49 am
@PaulHB,
You are correct, we are not the Red Wings. We are the Kings. We are the Kings of today, a Stanley Cup Championship team. We are the Kings of today, who with the same GM and ownership group for the past 6 years, took a very bad franchise, and through thoughtful, patient, and intelligent moves, created an environment where free agents like Scuderi and Mitchell wanted to come play. The current Kings are more than the equal of Detroit, who plays in a rundown piece of crap building, in a dead city, that is losing most of its franchise players, who is 5-6 years away from rebuilding into a true contender, who was beaten by the current Kings regularly now (to quote Quick, “we f-n beat teams like Detroit”).
This Kings organization is not the Ducks of 2007 or the Blackhawks of 2010, who won the Cup and then lost all of their people. The current Kings organization is smart, focusedlong term, and creating an environment where players are happy and producing. trust me, a lot of players saw how Carter and Richards were treated by Philly and CBJ, came to the Kings, were welcomed and supported, and skated away with the Cup. Trust me, other players are noticing, and when DL calls, they will be listening.
Gustavo Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@PaulHB,
Gives us one single example of anyone getting low balled by this management and thid organization.
This owner has spent up to the cap to build this team, offered Kovalchoke an 80+ million deal, took on long term contracts of Jeff Carter and Mike Richards and Lombardi has already said his priority is to sign Quick to a long term deal.
THE LA KINGS ARE A CLASS ORGANIZATION TODAY WITH A CUP TO SHOW FOR THEIR EFFORTS!! Unfortunately they have to carry the weight of past reputations filled with mistakes and mismanagement policies that took them nowhere. Free agents do not listen to comments like yours, their agents are smart enough to let them know where the best fits are for their careers.
Paulhb Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:43 am
More revisionist history….”thoughtful, patient, intelligent moves”…. Most Kings fans have spent the better part of the last 3 years clammoring for the Kings to fire Dean Lombardi. Now he’s thoughtful, patient, & intelligent.
I’ve been a died in the wool Kings fan for 19 years & I still don’t understand most Kings fans. I guess it’s the native New Yorker/Yankee fan in me. How have the Yanks won 28 World Series (besides their big budget)? It’s because they’re NEVER SATISFIED!!!! (And neither are their fans!) All I’ve read the last 2 weeks from Kings fans is “don’t change anything & we’ll win it again” & of course that’s possible. But there’s a much greater possibility that if the Kings stand pat they not only won’t win The Cup again, but they might even miss the playoffs (which has happened to many SCF participants since the lockout) .
The Kings may not have any real “holes”, but they do have weaknesses that I sincerely hope Dean Lombardi are hoping to improve upon this offseason.
BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@PaulHB, I guess I don’t understand “fans” that are so negative and don’t appreciate what the Kings have accomplished lately but wallow in despair about the Kings past. Frankly, the Kings have few weaknesses. About the best management, coach, defense, and goalie in the NHL; more potential 25-30 goal scorers than just about any team in the league and what appears to be a very tight-knit and happy group of players.
That said, I’m on record of going after Parise. He’s the type of guy that would fit in perfectly with our guys and really give us a chance at a little mini-dynasty.
Paulhb Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@Gustavo, Rob Blake. This GM told their captain all season a few years ago that they wanted him to stay in LA & finish his career here. July 1st came and nothing but crickets from this team. They never even called to offer him a contract. There have been other questionable deals by this management team. Camalleri. Patrick O’Sullivan. This is the management team that hired Marc Crawford & traded for Akyn McAulley. They signed free agents like Ethan Maureau. They traded for Dusting Penner, who until this playoffs run was practically hood out of Staples every time he was on the ice.
Does this Kings management team operate the team with more class & intelligence then previous regimes? Yes. But our history isn’t nearly as ancient as you think.
Paulhb Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@BrinBackButchGoring I’m not negative. I’m just not satisfied with 1 championship & I want this team to be even better. Every year we barely scratch our way into the 8th spot. I want this team to compete for Presidents Trophies every year, then go out and win championships!
I say Quick get between $6.5 and $7 over 6 years. We trade Bernier for draft picks most likely. Voynov gets a 6 year $24 million. Let Scuderi leave for free agency and bring up Hickey finally!! Resign Lewis to a 3 year deal worth around $6 million, Let Richardson walk and resign Martinez to a 4 year $9 million. Then two years later sign Brown to a 5 year worth $5.5 or $6 million a year.
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renoabe Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:58 am
@Todd, you are very generous in what you want to pay these guys. Quick I agree with – it will take $ 7 million to sign him but if you are lucky $ 6.5 million may work.
Lewis will not get $ 6 million for 3. Closer to $ 4.5 or less.
Voynov is a guess – really depends on how he does this year but if he is worth anywhere near $ 24 million for 6 Scuderi for sure is gone and the Kings are in great shape. I see him more in the $ 2 milllion a year for 3 year range in 13-14. Martinez is a 5-6 defensemen (I think he is much better and we are lucky to have him but that is where I see his comps). I see him much closer to $ 1 million annually but he could get near $ 2 million if he keeps on improving this year.
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:14 am
@renoabe, I agree that Quick could probably sign for 7 as a free agent but DL is not going to give a long term 7 million per year contract to Quick, imo. I bet Quick get re signed for 6 million a year at the most. The whole Bryz and Luongo fiascos have soured many teams from devoting 7 million to a goalie long term. Plus Quick seems like the type to be happy with six million a year and forego all the drama.
Like you, I highly value Martinez and would be glad to lock both VV and AM up long term while we have chance. I honestly don’t see much difference between the two players talent-wise. AM is a little better of a defender and VV is a little better offensively but both would be 3-4 guys on most teams.
Don’t know why everybody’s in a rush to get rid of Scuderi. He’s 2-3 years younger than Mitchell and his play is still pretty dang solid. I like him better than DD2 or Hickey/Muzzin and that’s all we have currently left to restock with.
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Gustavo Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:47 am
@Todd,
We need Scuds to donate blood so our PP wakes up and scores multiple goals when he gets boarded.
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:53 am
@Gustavo, Exactly, a portion of his face will always be embedded in our boards. A tribute to the Gods…
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Off topic but if this is true, that would have been incredible: http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2012/06/isles-offered-all-their-picks.html
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:25 am
@Bob Bobson, Can you even be off-topic in the off season? Anyway, that’s got to temper young Reinhart’s enthusiam on being drafted by the Isle’s…
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Bob Bobson Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, The isles organization is a joke b/c of Wang and his front office team.
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a very young Dewey Cox is addicted to diet coke, in this Heidi hosted video….Roy Munson has the hot-hand in the lanes, and then there’s Big Earn’s gutter ball….Kings havin’ some fun..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=aKoaft6FqJY
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Real 7 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:23 am
@Real 7, wherever Mattie goes, fun is sure to follow….the guy’s a kick!
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puck73 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:18 am
@Real 7, Saw this a couple of seasons ago…Its old cabbage.
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KJ Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@Real 7, I hadn’t seen that one…fun stuff!
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If Parise wants to play in LA for a similar deal as Kopi…you do the deal!
If you are Parise and want to play for a team that could contend for the cup over the next 5 years + and has a great young core of players and one of the best goaltenders in the league (I may be a little bias) why not LA? NJ maybe has one year left to win the cup with Marty and he’s hanging them up. I seriously doubt NJ will come out of the east again. Detroit is getting old and they need to start their own rebuild. He could sign with NYR…but my guess is he doesn’t!
You have Penner money to put towards signing him
You have Gagne’s contract ending next season
You have Scuds contract ending next season
Problem solved!
Lets just hope there is a hockey season and not another lock out!
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
@Barry’s Mullet, I don’t get the comparison between Nash and Parise. Great players are winners and Nash isn’t. Great players don’t have the worst plus/minus on their teams. Great players can create goals 5 vs 5 and Nash doesn’t. Parise on the other hand is a winner and we should make a concerted effort to upgrade to get him, especially since he seems interested in playing for us.
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Sebastian Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@BringBackButchGoring, what exactly has Parise won? and you can’t say a Silver medal
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@Sebastian, My point being primarily that winners will make a bad team at least respectable and Nash couldn’t even do that. Guys like Parise, Doan, Brown, Ott etc are winners; they set an example through their own hard work and intensity whereas guys like Nash don’t have that will to win. It’s a paycheck for Nash and we don’t need that kind of player on the Kings.
Parise is pretty young yet and he came pretty close to winning a SC
Sebastian Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Barry’s Mullet, I dont see how Scuderi’s contract (a defenseman) has anything to do with Parise’s potential contract. You dont replace a defenseman with a forward. who do the Kings have in their system that can step in and play the role that Scuderi plays? He, like Mitchell, are tough guys to replace, and you cant have a young guy from Manchester step in and be the stay at home type of Dman. The money set aside for Scuderi right now, should be used on resigning Scuderi.
In addition, if you look beyond this coming season, where will the extra 5 or so million that Quick will get come from, if you give the money to Parise? In my opinion there is not enough Salary space for Parise, and the Kings deffinitely dont need Parise, just like they didnt need Kovalchuck and just like they didnt need Brad Richards.
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@Sebastian, We have plenty of salary space for Parise. That’s the value of having 8 young guys come up from the system (or otherwise)and locked down for an average of 1 million each. Plus (and I know it’s not a given) the Cap should increase the next 5-6 years as it has the last five years and getting a guy like Parise with a cap hit of 6-7 million may look like a steal in five years.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, I would bet that the cap does not go up at all this season and very marginally over the following season. I bet the cap will be $62.6 million this season (50% of revenues vs the current 57%) with an exception made for teams already over the cap at the time of the CBA signing. Using 50%, the cap will go up to $65.5 million in 2013-2014 and $68.5 in 2014-2015.
If we resign Quick at $7 million, Voynov at $3 million, Martinez at 1.5 million, Scuderi at his current rate, give moderate raises to the rest of our RFAs, and let Gagne and Richardson walk, we’ll be at $64.5 million in 2013-2014. I don’t see room for Parise at $7+ million in there.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, Here’s the roster/math I used.
Forwards 2013-14
Anze Kopitar 6.8
Dustin Brown 3.175
Justin Williams 3.65
Mike Richards 5.75
Jeff Carter 5.273
Dwight King 0.725
Jarret Stoll 3.25
Trevor Lewis 1
Jordan Nolan 0.725
Colin Fraser 0.825
Kyle Clifford 1
Kevin Westgarth 0.725
Tyler Toffoli 0.87
AHL prospect 0.725
Total Forwards 34.493
Defense
Drew Doughty 7
Rob Scuderi 3.4
Willie Mitchell 3.5
Slava Voynov 3
Alec Martinez 1.5
Matt Greene 2.95
Derek Forbort 1
Total Defense 22.35
Goaltenders
Jon Quick 7
Martin Jones 0.625
Total Goalies 7.725
Grand Total 64.468
BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@tkecanuck341, You are dreaming if you think the players association let by Donald Fehr are going to accept a reduction in revenue sharing from 57% to 50% after a year of record NHL revenue. The cap will be 68-70 million this year and will go up each year based upon gross revenue, which has been increasing each year. So my opinion stands that we can afford Parise at a 6.5 million cap hit or so. I know other teams will offer more, but we have a lot of intangibles going for us.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, …..and this all assumes that league revenues stay the same (adjusted 5% annually inflation).
BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, Also Forbort is not making the team and VV is not going to get anywhere close to 3 million a year so that frees up another 2-3 million
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, Using the current formula (57%), the cap is $70.3 million. For the cap to stay at $68 million, they would need to stay at 55% of revenues, which you are dreaming if you think the league will accept. Let’s say they split the difference at go with 53.5%. Then you’re looking at a salary cap of $69.7 in 2013-2014, which if we give Parise $6.5 million (which I don’t think he will take), leaves $15.7 million to resign Quick, Scuderi, Voynov, Martinez and someone to replace Gagne, Richardson, and Drewiske. Assuming Quick gets $7 million, that leaves you with $8.7 million for 6 roster players, 3 of which are core defensemen. I don’t see Lombardi putting us in that position.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, If they gave Jack Johnson $4.3 million as an RFA, there’s no reason that they wouldn’t give Voynov at least half of that, unless he has a HUGE sophomore slump next year. Also, let’s say they are able to cram those 6 players into $8.7 million. They would then be right at the cap at the beginning of the season. Lombardi has said in the past that he likes to have room for maneuverability at the trade deadline. Signing Parise would not afford him that luxury.
I just don’t see it happening.
BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, I’m on record as saying that Quick will end up at 6 million or less to avoid any sort of drama and we don’t “need” to re sign Scuderi in two years so that’s 3 million or more extra right there. My point is we should get Parise and then adjust as necessary since he is a cornerstone type player. If we end up having to dump a guy two years from now, I’d guess that guy is going to be less valuable than Parise.
Good luck with the league getting a split down to 53.5 with record revenue, attendance, tv contract etc. That’s not going to happen; you will see. My guess it will stay pat at 57%.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, The league isn’t just going to roll over and keep the same revenue model. There’s a reason they chose not to renew the CBA for the next season, and that’s because there are teams hemmorhaging money, despite the record revenues. Donald Fehr might be a great negotiator, but Gary Bettman is no slouch. If Fehr insists they stay at 57%, my guess is that there will not be any hockey played this Fall.
Barry's Mullet Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@Sebastian, You have Martinez, Greene and Voynov. Their job is to eventually step up and fill Scuds and Mitchells spots. These guys will be getting a raise at some point and thats how it works in sports. The younger guys push the older guys. Not to mention we have a boatload of talent on defense in Manchester. We really have room for just one guy…someone should be ready by than
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Sebastian Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, you cant replace a stay at home veteran Dman with a 2 way mobile offensive Dman. so i would disagree with Martinez and Voynov eventually filling in the roles of Scuderi, Mitchell or Greene.
UglyinLA Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Sebastian wrote: You dont replace a defenseman with a forward
I think Jack Johnson might disagree.
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Sebastian Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
@UglyinLA, i doubt it because he was replaced by Voynov.
UglyinLA Reply:
June 26th, 2012 at 9:58 am
@Sebastian,
Not to nitpick, but the argument had to do with salary swapping, not position swapping which, of course, is ludicrous.
Who Knows? Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
@Sebastian, We have Derek Forbort up in North Dakota. He’s one of the best shut-down defenseman in our system. He’s the likely candidate to replace Mitchell or Scuderi.
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
@Who Knows?, Everything I hear about Forbort suggests he not progressing as expected. He’s a long shot IMO to even make the NHL much less replace Mitchell or Scuderi. That’s why most players don’t elect to play college hockey.
JB Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@Sebastian, I would disagree that we should pencil in resigning Scuderi. He was brought in at a premium price as a guy that had “cup experience” and to help us get a cup. Ok we got the cup so why keep paying the premium since we now have 20+ guys that have “cup experience”?
The guys that will step into Scud’s role are the guys currently playing on the roster. I would hope that Doughty, Voynov and Martinez can begin to fill Scuds role in addition to what they do now on the offensive side. A pure stay at home defenseman was absolutely necessary when we had a bunch of young guys w/ offensive talent but not yet the expertise on the defensive side.
Now I’m hoping we could get a model like Detroit or Chicago where you had Lidstrom/Kronwall or Keith/Seabrook where neither is a “stay home” guy even though one of those pairs is definitely the more “skilled” guy. I don’t think in two years we’ll need all three of Greene, Mitchell and Scuds to pair up with the “kids”. For one the other three guys won’t be kids anymore.
In my world Mitchell, even though older than Scuds, has more versatility and can continue to be the “veteran” guy. After that I like Greene’s edge and attitude so I would keep him too. I could stand losing Scuds in 2013-14. So either one of the Manchester kids shows they are ready to fill in and can be paired up with Mitchell or we get someone via trade or UFA. And then a 1st pairing of Doughty/Voynov could look interesting. And maybe it’s not even Voynov w/ Doughty but someone cheaper than Scuds.
Like I said we paid a premium for Scuds because we needed him more than he needed us. Well that has changed to some degree. It hasn’t completely flipped but I would say it’s 50/50 in that both need each other. So either he takes a pay cut next time or we get someone that wants to come to what is hopefully a team that will compete for many years.
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Kings x Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@Barry’s Mullet, It will be pit, Philly or NYR coming out of the east for a long time
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
@Kings x, I bet Bruin fans would disagree with you there. If Boston had peaked at the end of the season rather than dominating the middle part, there is no doubt in my mind we would have played them rather than NJ. They have some very strong young core players and a pretty darn good GM and I’d expect them to be strong for the next few years.
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I’m just hoping there’s no lockout I play hockey with one of the higher up’s in Kings Management and while I was asking about frozen fury he said noway in hell it happen’s this year and that he see’s a similar situation with the NBA lockout not losing the whole season but a solid amount of games .
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Kings x Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:12 am
@Party time, Well this will give Dewey a chance to get in shape before the season that is if he is not in prison
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Party time Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@Kings x, Noway DD get’s charged let alone prison time .
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This is the most important game of the year!
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Duncanz Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@Lake Forest,
So far!
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This time, I hope the owners are intelligent & don’t try to screw the players by taking more of the pot. Almost all the owners will stay rich. That 57% means good salaries, good competition, something the players need as they’re the ones who come & go. No matter how that % is split, you can bet most places will see ticket increases. Revenues will likely go up no matter what.
As for Parise, would his personality fit here? We already have a captain, and this team has a soul. Take a lesson from Vancouver. While our 2012 Kings are already immortalized for the medieval style conquering of the best playoff teams West & East, how many will remember & care that YVR won two Presidential trophies? Rick Rypien (RIP) gave that team its soul, his departure rippled from bottom to top & Canucks never recovered.
Signing Parise means nothing in long run if we lose some of the guys who form the soul in our locker room. Zach cannot make up for two or three that have to go making room for his salary. Just ask NJ if signing Kovey would bring them the Cup… However, that series could’ve gone the other way if NJ didn’t sign Ilya and had instead invested in a couple guys like the ones who comprise The Black Parade.
If Parise comes here, you can bet we’ll lose two or three dependable guys who build the soul of our team.
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Gustavo Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
@Marty4Ever,
Who would we lose that isn’t already signed?
Penner?… His poor reg season performance could be the reason why we almost did not make it into the postseason a lot more than his credit for building the team soul you talk about.
Gagne?… He got hurt way back in December. His 4th line playoff minutes were a gift by coaching and management so he could get his name on the Cup.
Parse?… No contributions whatsoever this past season.
I like all three of these guys, but add all their skills and hockey longevity together and still they do not translate into one Zach Parise. Their salaries, however, do. So I’d not hesitate one second if the chance to pull the trigger comes up….(there I go playing GM, again, lol)
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if they sign Parise, they would simply not sign Penner, and trade Gagne for a mid round pick and clear the necessary cap room going forward. Parise on LW would be a huge improvement over either Penner or Gagne.
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We’re ok as is. I think it’s a good thing to breathe in some fresh roster players, and to have some natural turnover. I’d like to see a little more skill depth at LW given Gagne’s injury history, but I’d be ok going into the season with this lineup. If something needs to be done midseason because of poor performance or injuries, there’ll be some cap room available to take on salary. While I wouldn’t mind having Zach Parise or Ryan Suter as a King, I think you have to be careful about accumulating too many players that are the same age on long term deals. I think Kopi, Brownie, Ricky, Carts, and Quickie are all in the 25-27 range. Although I don’t think this will happen, you have to be careful about an Eddy Curry or Alfonzo Soriano type contract that hamstrings a team when a player goes south. Already had a close call with Doughty. Allowing rookies to crack a lineup from an organizational development standpoint is very important, as is UFA veteran free agents seeking to win a cup. It’s nice to have a controllable core, but I think one can get preoccupied with “top 6 this and top six that” when Sutter has proven equitable trust and playing time is ultimately beneficial to the team. That said, winning changes the landscape of negotiations – I don’t think we’ll have to beg UFAs any longer.
On another note, I’m excited to see what Manchester’s lineup will look like this season. Futa and Lombardi made a clear choice to go with skill over size in this draft, which isn’t something I hadn’t expected. Feels like we’re resembling Detroit now. Just taking a crap shoot here, but I thought this could work:
Pearson – Loktionov – Toffoli
Andreoff – Weal – Vey
Prokhorkin – Cliche – Hyka/Kozun
Clune – Czarnik – Legein/Johnson
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He Shoots, He Scores Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
@He Shoots, He Scores,
Left out O’Neill. Not sure if there are any eligibility issues with Hyka or Prokhorkin.
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Well it looks pretty good but I think we need one more forward. If Parise is coming to LA we dont need to sing Penner… I think we better have to keep Gagne there because he can really shoot to puck…
But waiting for the first day of July!!!!!
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We are paying WAY to much for Doughty. He is not worth 7 mil a year. He should be at 3.5 mil.
Just my 2 cents….
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I’m probably in the minority here but I really don’t think we need the push for Parise. He is strictly a one dimensional player (at least from what I saw in the finals) and would be a defensive liability when on the ice. He doesn’t do well against strong forechecking teams as we saw against our team and it would appear many of the teams are taking a look at the Kings success and pushing for larger more mobile defensemen that could handle a skater like Parise. He was pretty much a non-factor in the SCF and for that reason I would not sell the farm to get him. Honestly, Penner was MUCH more effective in the run than was Parise.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
@plywood,
That is true, but here’s an interesting hypothetical;
How would their respective performances in the SCF have been had Penns been playing for NJD and ZP for LAK?
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plywood Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@Duncanz, I see your point however, the way Penner was working, I think he would have been equally effective for NJ. Obviously, Parise would have been a good addition to our lines. Still, given the fact that the major teams are bolstering their forechecking abilities and moving to some big bodies, I think Penns will be a much greater asset to the team next year. We saw what he CAN be during this playoff run and it was pretty awesome considering his ability to contribute at both ends of the ice..All given though, if Parise wants to PLAY with us at a fair price, we have to go for him. There are not a lot of big men with the talent of Penner and I honestly think his motivation has been given a huge boost and I really would like him back.
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puck73 Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@plywood, I agree with you, Parise was not a big factor vs The Kings in the finals, I thought Henrique was the best they had to offer. As far as players I saw in the playoffs? To me, even though he only played 2 games, Daniel Sedin IMO was the most dangerous player the Kings played against. He was scary with, and without the puck.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
@purge73,,
Well, I think it was more like …
• Patrick Elias_with_the puck
• Mike Smith_without_the puck, puck..
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Gustavo Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
@Duncanz,
Mike Smith is always dangerous as long as he gets away using that stick as a samurai sword.
JB Reply:
June 27th, 2012 at 9:17 am
@plywood, I wouldn’t go as far as to say Penner was more effective than Parise. Both had different roles and faced different challenges in their match ups so hard to compare them to each other.
I don’t think we should chase Parise. I don’t think he brings what we need to sustain last season’s success. I’d consider Sutter, as I like the idea of just continuing to beef up the back end but I wouldn’t chase him too hard. Generally I think DL should be quiet when it comes to the UFA market. We have some kids in the system that might make a push in camp or if not can be traded for some role players and defensive help.
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I hope Parise comes to the Hawks Lets Go Hawks!!!
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Are there any veterans free agents we could sign for a year to two years. This seems the smartest move as post 12/13 we will start to have some serious cap issues. A veteran scorer who can play 3rd line, is hungry for a cup and happy to take a front loaded contract of say 3.5/1.5 to easy pressure in 12/13
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Australian King Reply:
June 27th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
@Australian King, Jagr?
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I say sign everyone for 7mil and tell Bettman to get lost!
Seriously (ahem), make Bernier #1 and sign/trade Quick for Parise -all problems solved!
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