Here are a few more details on the allegations against Drew Doughty, as provided in reports by the Los Angeles Times and the Daily Breeze (both linked).
Per both stories, Hermosa Beach Sgt. Robert Higgins said that a 25-year-old woman has alleged that Doughty forced her into a cab and then sexually assaulted her at her home. Per the Daily Breeze, Higgins said Doughty said the encounter was consensual. Per the Times, Higgins said that the accuser has been “less than cooperative” and that “credibility problems” have been found in her story.
Doughty has not been charged with a crime. Doughty’s lawyer, Craig Renetzky, posted on Twitter that that case is under review by the District Attorney’s office and that “a charging decision will be made in the next few days.”
This is obviously not true.
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USHA#17 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:20 am
@josh,
Really? Which part?
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fuzzerson Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am
@USHA#17, Gloria Allred is involved… of course she is…
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Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:55 am
@fuzzerson,
What does that have to do with anything? We hope it’s not true, but don’t le tyour personal bias get in the way of the truth. So far, it looks good for DD and that’s good for him,the team and us.
adanac Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am
@josh, I agree, it’s crap! She will never go to trial and just trashing the guy for a payoff. I word of wisdom for you Drew, there are people out for your money so be careful of the company you keep. This will be gone and over in a short time and I just hope she could be charged with extortion or entrapment.
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Rick Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
@josh, It could be true. I am a Beach Cities dude, and there are tons of hot babes on the take…see it all the time. I think I may know who Drew was with, as well. You’ll see what I mean once this is resolved either way, by her photos.
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mask0425x Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@josh,
Surely BRAD DOTY did it
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DEH Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
@josh, that’s why Drew should tape all his sexual encounters… “sorry hoe, the video says otherwise”
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An interesting quote from the alleged victim, per Sgt. Higgins, in the Daily Breeze article, “She said, `I don’t want him to win the Stanley Cup”. Why would THAT be an answer? Wouldn’t, “I want him to be sent to jail” make more sense?
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FiG17 Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
@CB14,
That solves it. Rival fan trying to get him off the team.
(Kidding)
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Stuart Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:06 am
@CB14, That’s a hilarious answer! Puck Bunny done wrong! LOL
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BobsYourUncle Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:25 am
@CB14, Ducks Ice Girl maybe?
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Stuart Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am
@BobsYourUncle, or from the jersey shore…
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ike Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:39 am
@CB14, Given that this took place in March, what a turn of events! Almost like the hockey gods have spoken.
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RobSD Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
@CB14,
I thought that was a joke until I read the article. I used to live in Hermosa and LOVE Sharkeez 2 for 1 happy hours! The cabs are a good 60 feet from the bar and a highly populated area. No way he “wrangled” her against her will. I bet she has 3 different guys sperm on her panties too.
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I think somebody wants a piece of that 56 million….
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
@josh,
Yup.. sure sounds like she’s hoping for a settlement offer. Especially after hiring Gloria Allred
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Jack Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 4:16 am
@kingsxstevenxkings, if she loses all that work goes unpaid right?
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mrbrett7 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 6:32 am
@kingsxstevenxkings, Can a car please just run over Gloria Allred? I’ve never seen a bigger ambulance chaser in my life.
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Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am
@josh,
Don’t go into stupid territory. We all know there are real crimes and occaisonal set ups and money grabs. Regardless DD put himself and in bad situation and need to learn how to handle himself, his money, and his new found celebrity.
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RLane420 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
@Weasel, Must be nice to be so perfect that you never had a one night stand.
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RLane420 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
@Weasel, or perhaps you just never had the opportunity. To be young, famous, and having gratuitous sex is not a crime.
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Weasel Reply:
June 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
@RLane420,
Never said it was RL — but you don’t know that the woman was motivated by money either — are we clear now?
How HORRIBLE!!!! I know that Drew must be sweating bullits, and I’ll bet dollars to donuts that this is a “get som money quick” scam and Drew is targeted because he has money. Sounds wishy washy to me. Drew can take his pick of nice ladies and does not need a cab for a motel. I hope both parties learn somthing from this. Lets pray any charge will be dropped. Its a common gold digger up to no good. Say it isn.t so., Rich! Not another Kobe Bryant crap.
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Why does Gloria Alred represent every skank with a story? Wouldn’t the girl tell the cab driver to not drive her back to her place if she was forced in? And why does this conveniently come out in the news now? Why will she not cooperate? Ridiculous…. Good luck Doughty.
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
@chris,
She wants money of course. DD’s gotta learn that being a superstar with superstar salary means avoiding the bar scene/one night stand situation.
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Bootz Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
true dat.
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anayalation1377 Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, good point. He needs to avoid the bar scene like the plague. He put himself in a very vulnerable position. And for what, a lay. That lay is going to cost him.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, You don’t even need to have superstar salary/status to avoid bar scenes. Avoid it all together!
Men always come out in the bad end of the stick when it comes to legal matters with women.
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Sandy Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 6:14 am
@kingsxstevenxkings, Bingo
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RLane420 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, then what is the point of being famous?
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Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:00 am
@chris,
Gloria Allred is a business person. If she can make the most amount of money in this area this is where she’ll be. Using the word ‘skank’ in inappropriate.
I also have an opinion about the accusation, but it’s just my opinion and I wasn’t there.
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no longer suffrin Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@Weasel, use ho instead
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Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@no longer suffrin,
Whatever.
vegasking Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@chris, because she loves to see and hear herself on the t.v.
That women is such a leach!
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According to TMZ, they’re not even going to press charges:
http://www.tmz.com/2012/06/19/drew-doughty-los-angeles-kings-rape-sexual-assault-investigation/
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toemas_sandstrom Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
@PaulCat, Funny how TMZ in recent years has been pretty spot on with their reporting. At this point I find them being more credible than the LA Times. Dough boy’s off the hook as far as I’m concerned. Thanks Harvey Levin!
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You guys are speculating with no information. There are a lot of potential shades of gray in here. Clearly this was not the wisest move on Doughty’s part, regardless of the outcome. The guy is single, he can do whatever the heck he wants. However, there are all sorts of repercussions to casual sex with someone you just met. This is one of them. I hope this ends up being a big part of the Drew grows up program, and not evidence to him that behaving irresponsibly is ok.
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Shuchuk Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
@Donald_S, especially when you’re a high profile multi-millionaire…how does Jeter do it? Drew should sit down with Derek and ask him for some pointers.
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McSwarley Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:32 am
@Shuchuk, I hear Jeter sends them home with a gift basket.
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nykingfan Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 5:18 am
@McSwarley,
but doesn’t validate their parking lol
RobSD Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
@McSwarley,
You beat me to it!!!! Gotta give out the gift basket. There was a story where he accidentally gave the same woman a basket twice. He’s already made his way through all of Manhattan.
Ryan Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:38 am
@Shuchuk, with this type of allegation, Drew should ask Kobe Bryant for advice!
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I am reserving judgement until Liz Habib files her report on Fox 11.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
@JackKentCooke,
We got the bubble-headed bleach-blond
Who comes on at 5
She can tell you
Bout the player crush
With a gleam in her eye
It’s interesting when people lie
Give us dirty laundry …
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Qmungous Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
@Duncanz, kick em when they’re up, kick em when they’re down…
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
@Duncanz, @Qmungous,
Excellent!
It’s interesting when people CRY…
Give us Dirty Laundry!
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Scarletcat Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
@JackKentCooke,
She’s probably already forgotten what hockey is.
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JackKentCooke Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
@Scarletcat,
She possibly knows about sex.
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This is a serious allegation. Why did it take three months to accuse rape? If this was me, a friend or even my daughter I would of advised to report this immediately. Why now? Don’t make any sense.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
@Marlene, My understanding is that it did not take 3 months for HER to make the accusation, it is only that WE are finding out about it now.
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Danny Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 7:28 am
@HockeyNerd, usually in cases of delayed charges being pressed, the girl is trying to extort money from the accused. When the accused don’t pay, they carry out the police allegations. This is a “hood rat” and most of ‘em are gold diggers. However, even if Drew-boy gets off the hook, the party is over, and the county sheriff department will keep a vigilant eye on our hero. Sex crimes, regardless of outcome, carry a huge social on anyone, and all it takes is a feminist deputy in power to carry out this “watching” and the accused will live a life of a tortured invasion of privacy and a local impact that could prevent him from meeting other women. Trust me, this is a life changing situation, and I have written many a post regarding so called hood rats.
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Michael J. Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am
@Danny,
Not exactly. Many times women who are raped are affraid and ashamed, taking months to let the story out at all. Fortunately for DD it’s pretty obvious that this story reeks of Kobi’s Colorado experience from 2003.
Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am
@Danny,
Stop it. “Usually” Really, do have statistics or are you just being a fan.
KC23 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:05 am
@Danny, Not a crime unless you are convicted. End of story.
BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@Danny, @HockeyNerd, @Weasel, @KC23,
We all should be careful, here…
–Presumption of innocence;
–Do not presume skank-hood, until proven otherwise;
–Gloria Allred is involved, thus assume more to the story.
RobSD Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
@Danny,
The part where she said she was angry with him at the bar… but then got in a cab with him. This is BS. Sad that people have the balls to pull stuff like this.
adanac Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@Danny, Kobi was married with a family and DD is single. Watch out DD and let this be a lesson for you and your future.
DLB Reply:
June 21st, 2012 at 11:01 am
@Danny, there was no delay in the charges on her side. They have been investigating for months and we only found out months later. They kept this quiet for a while, not her.
Probably she’s gonna get some money as we know…lol
Doughty, Doughty…
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@rich, you sure it wasn’t that doty kid from the Sacramento kings?
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Shuchuk Reply:
June 19th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
@Kenny, Brad Doty has a rap sheet longer than Jack’s Johnson.
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IceGuy Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:15 am
@Shuchuk,
Are you referring to Johnson’s Johnson, or Doty’s Johnson?
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TradedForADraftPick Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@Shuchuk,
I think you mean John Jackson. He was a terrible point guard when it came to ball control.
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He was described as having a Toronto cap…
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the lady has hired gloria allred oh no lol
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JD Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:12 am
@Mark, You would think Gloria Allred would be to busy, with all the continued work trying to get justice for Meg Whitmans housekeeper…… What a parasite
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Drew needs to be careful and use better judgment.
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I am very tempted to speculate. So I will just speculate that we will never know, in fact there are only 2 people that ever will. She would neither be the first woman to be raped by an athlete and he would neither be the first athlete extorted by a woman. And yes, the cab driver might very well have taken her somewhere against her wishes and lied to the police. How many people who saw the assistant coach at Penn State dif the “honorable thing”? You guys are being naive. Didn’t mean to suggest she isn’t lying through her teeth either. We’ll just never know. One thing is certain though: if he DID rape her it’s not about that “he has growing up to do”. He belongs in jail. Kind of moot, the legal system has made its decision and I really do hope that in this case it was the right thing to do and that it actually didn’t happen. We can speculate all we want and that’s why we’re here. But the bottom line is we’ll never know. And either way — whether DD got away with Rape OR got extorted it is a sad day after the events of the last week.
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paige Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:51 am
@HockeyNerd, THANK YOU FOR TALKING SOME SENSE!!!!!!!! It is sad. It’s sad for fans because we just wanted to bask in our first and only ever offseason rooting for the Stanley Cup Champion Kings without anything casting a shadow over it. It’s sad to think of the possibility that you are rooting for someone who is a rapist. It’s sad to think you are a fan of a good kid who is possibly being wrongfully accused and taken advantage of. It’s just a very unfortunate situation. And it’s unsettling to see some of the things being said on this blog. Seriously, rogiesbackup, you have issues.
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KJ Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:26 am
@HockeyNerd,
Just curious…everyone has a “gut” feeling about something/someone…DD has been with us for a while now. Wondering what your “gut” feeling is about him…do you really think he could be a rapist? I just can’t imagine the entire team and organization supporting him if they really believed a word of this story. How many times has Sutter said what a great kid he is…really…all of the players, coaches etc., with daughters…maybe I am naive, but I just don’t buy it…
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:35 am
@KJ, Honestly? My gut feeling is that I don’t trust my gut feeling. I wasn’t there and i dont know and that’s the only gut feeling I have. You certainly are entitled to express your opinion. That said, your reasoning makes zero sense to me based on all the news that came out of the state of Pennsylvania a few months back.
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KJ Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:51 am
@HockeyNerd,
This has nothing to do with my reasoning or Penn…just wondering if you had a “gut” feeling if DD is, or is not, a rapist. Of course you don’t know for sure, just wondering if your gut is telling you that he is or isn’t. My guess is that the people closest to him know a hell of a lot more about him than we do. You may choose to be cynical, but I happen to believe the King’s organization is a class act, and would never support someone they believe would do what DD is being accused of.
HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 2:11 am
@HockeyNerd, And I am trying to make the point that just because THEY think so highly of DD doesn’t in and of itself mean it couldn’t have happened. (Nor did you argue that, and if I came across as implying you did I owe you an apology. )
And I really DON’T have a gut feeling. A lot of athletes think they are all that and therefore laws that apply to the rest of us don’t apply to them. Against that, I trust that our law enforcement agencies are pretty thorough and if somebody’s story is inconsistent, they most likely are lying.
I’m just sad about the whole thing. I don’t want a rapist playing on the team, and I don’t want someone seeking money or 2 minutes of fame putting a damper on the greatest moment of my life as a hockey fan. And one of those two things HAS to be true.
BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@HockeyNerd,
One of the best lines of the year:
“My gut feeling is that I don’t trust my gut feeling.”
Works in gambling…
Works in 3rd person observer cases, like these…
JD Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:52 am
@KJ, My gut feeling is it became rape when he told her to lock the front door on her way out
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RobSD Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
@KJ,
Doughty has the look of trouble. I had that look but it was never anything as criminal as this. You can tell DD likes to party and this is probably only the beginning. Let’s hope we don’t have a Fluery on our hands.
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RobSD Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
@RobSD,
After that night though… we beat Anaheim and he was a plus 1. So… all well.
@rogiesbackup, Your first sentence is unquestionably 100% correct. Which in and of itself doesn’t mean that didn’t happen. How many people who “knew” what was happening at Penn State do the honorable and morally correct thing?
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:31 am
@HockeyNerd, “did”
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@Hever, Even if you’re joking about it, Don’t. Rape is Rape.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:34 am
@HockeyNerd, Didn’t mean to sound like I know what happened. Let’s just not start with the “he just won the Stanley cup so he couldn’t possibly have done this” track.
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PRMan Reply:
June 21st, 2012 at 11:10 am
@HockeyNerd, And not rape is not rape. And at this point, her story is starting to sound a lot like gold-digging not-rape.
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i cant wait to see the south park episode about this…
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@Rich Hammond: I’m grateful for all you’ve done for us but I don’t envy you having to moderate this thread one bit.
@Everyone else including myself: This is a very serious accusation and it is not appropriate to make light of it.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:55 am
@HockeyNerd, Above directed at the people who joked about the ACCUSATION. Making light of the SUBJECT is (while subtly so) a different thing and is not necessarily unhelpful to people like me who are just very sad about the whole thing.
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JD Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 2:16 am
@HockeyNerd, Not making light of this, I just have a hard time believing this story
She wanted nothing to do with him, called him names and embarrassed him in front of his teammates, so he forced her into a cab, took her home and sexually assaulted her, but she was too drunk to remember all the details
Nobody did anything while he was “wrangling” her into the cab,the whole story is hard to believe
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 2:24 am
@JD, And people WITNESSED WORSE at Penn State and nobody did anything either…..
And I’m not saying you don’t have both a valid point and a right to your opinion.
david 306 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@HockeyNerd,
The way she has handled it is a joke. Anybody who hires Gloria is only looking for money. If I was raped my first priority would be to put the AH away for as long as possible..!!! BUT not her, number one is get a cash cow lawyer.
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Give me a friggin break!…Really? You can’t just win a Stanley Cup anymore without the weirdo’s crawling out of the wood work. Uh Drew? Next time? Wait till your back in Canada for the pick up thing. This is Hollyweird…anything can happen…and usually does. Oh and by the way…IMHO…this happened in March? The fact that it’s taken this long leads me to the conclusion that there isn’t much of a case….
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Well I never can go to sleep and leave well enough alone….did want to make an additional point.
Just because DD is not going to be charged with a crime I am NOT going to throw a woman under the bus who MAY have been raped.
Again: yes, some women falsely accuse. And yes, it is serious.
But athletes DO commit crimes and THAT is also serious.
Once again:
1. Someone is lying.
2. I don’t claim to know who it is.
3. Either way, it is a very sad day to be a Kings fan.
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Timere Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 7:37 am
@HockeyNerd, I think that women that falsely accuse should be thrown under the bus and ran over many times. Just the accusation can ruin a person with no repercussions for the accuser. I do understand that this will probably never happen because it is always difficult to tell who is actually telling the truth. But, no matter the outcome, it always ends up badly for the accused. Either the tarnish of the accusation or jail time.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@Timere, See reply above.
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blake Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am
@HockeyNerd, I have read all your post in this blog and I have to say, you say one thing but you mean something completely else.
1. Someone is lying (based off all you post im guessing you’re a woman so automatically you are sticking up for her.) Im not saying he did it nor didnt do it but in todays day and age you are innocent until proven guilty.
2. I dont claim to know who it is. Yes you do, not once have you given DD any sympathy its all been to the bimbo looking for money.
3. Either way, it is a very sad day to be a Kings fan. Are you a new Kings fan? bandwagoner maybe? Its not a sad to day to be a Kings fan. Its actually an amazing time to be a Kings fan. I live in Washington DC, I wear my signed Luc jersey everywhere! I get Go KIngs comments from random people off the street. I get “you are a kings fan??? I wish the Caps were as good as you guys” I have gotten comments from people saying their new favorite West coast team is our beloved Kings. So please tell me this, How the HELL is it a sad day to be a Kings fan? We won our first ever cup, we are getting new fans, and we are on the map finally as a hockey town. So please tell me where its a sad day?
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am
I am not a woman. I am not a bandwagoner and I have not once posted anything that says it is OK to lie. You are 0 for 3. Care to try for a 4th?
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:42 am
@blake, Incidentally just as I give this woman no sympathy IF she is a liar, I give DD no sympathy IF this was not consensual.
Please do not put words in my mouth. Unlike everyone else here I am refusing to give an opinion of what I think actually happened. Do not mistake this for sympathy for EITHER side.
It’s “innocent until proven guilty” for BOTH sides. That is how our LEGAL SYSTEM WORKS. It doesn’t tell us what actually happened. Only 2 people know that, and neither you or I are one of them.
I simply refuse to join the “DD is obviously being railroaded” BANDWAGON. Nothing more than that.
Get over it.
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Please do not convict him with rumor and innuendo. He has not even been charged yet, let alone convicted.
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as more facts come to surface and we get to know the situation even better, it will be only then that we will be able to assess what transpired…
but…
drew’s character is now under the spotlight and being reviewed – innocent or not…
it’s something that has to be considered…
character is a huge part of this teams make up…
if it becomes evident that drew has some off the ice issues that might disturb the balance of our winning composition, then the kings have to be prudent and at least keep their minds open…
let me just say this…:
i think the world of drew and i want him to be a king for life…
but if there are significant issues with his character, the kings will have to address them with him and keep a close eye on his off the ice movements…
if this whole thing becomes a money grab from a delusional woman, then everything will be okay…and we can move on…
right now, we should all be in the “wait and see” mode…if the the DA is looking to throw out the case and not bring any charges against drew , that will be wonderful…
however, like it or not, drew will have to be extra careful when making these decisions….
he’s young, rich and handsome – the three top qualities that all grifters, scam artists and unscrupulous women seek…if he wasn’t taking his fame seriously before, he will now….
let’s all hope for the best and wait until the whole truth comes out before casting any aspersions…
but one thing’s for sure, drew growth into manhood and maturity will be greatly accelerated by this incident…how he handles the aftermath will tell much more about his character than his hockey talent….
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Stuart Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:19 am
@variable, “drew growth into manhood and maturity will be greatly accelerated by this incident” – we can only hope! We’ve heard folks harp on “he’s still young” and “he’s barelly 22″ nonsense for too long now. He’s a man. He’s not a boy anymore.
My biggest concern is this: who were the “teammates” that were with him in this establishment??? Without knowing names, I’m pretty sure they were all OLDER and WISER than 3D. Why didn’t any of them step in and tell him that he’s about to make a risky move? Surely this type of scene plays itself out like so many bad movies. A is followed by B, which leads to C which leads to regret. good job teammates.
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justmyopinion Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@Stuart, WHY would you assume older and wiser? You have no idea who he was with or what the situation was.
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Stuart Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@justmyopinion, But I do have an idea who he was with… I would make that assumption based on what was said, mostly that he “was embarrassed in front of his teammates” which to me means there were teammates there, secondly, taking a look at his teammates ages, they’re almost all older than him, and maybe I should have written “hopefully” wiser than he is. And considering that no other “teammates” seem to have been accused of such accusations, it does seem credible that they are at the very least, in this instance, wiser than he is. And since neither you nor I know exactly what went down, I don’t see what ruffled your feathers?
But I know it’s justyouropinion, much like what I posted is justmyopinion as well. They’re both worth about the same!
variable Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
@Stuart,
god point…
their is some culpability bestowed on drew’s teammates if they were there…
you can’t stop drew doughty, you can only hope to contain him – should be his motto on the ice, not off it…
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@variable,
God points, all around…
Good points, too.
Drew should fear Gloria Allred’s news conference, no matter what…
–It will occur, some point in the future.
–Ms. Allred chose this case, for whatever reason, and until we know what that reason is we should keep an open mind. No conclusions should be jumped…
It would be easy to attack the loose morals of a young hockey player. We shouldn’t…
–Point made by many above, this is still a sad event, no matter the outcome.
variable Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
@variable,
it’s unfortunate that allred’s got creditability amongst her followers…
drew just elevated himself into the other side of the public spotlight – for the better,let’s hope…
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variable Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
@variable,
that last comment was intended for B…
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I just want to post this for the sake of clarity:
I have met a few of you and I am usually accompanied by my friend Danielle and when I’m not, I’m often asked where she is. She has posted a handful of times here using Danielle as a handle.
On the original thread about this topic, some of the people who we have met were involved in discussions with a poster called Danielle. This is not the same Danielle.
I am not posting this because I (or her) agree or disagree with that Danielle’s comments (or others) on that thread, simply to point out to those people who might have thought that they were ‘talking’ to my friend, they were not.
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DesertKing Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:30 am
@LittleRhody,
It was very nice to hang with you guys during the rally
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LittleRhody Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
@DesertKing, Yeah, same here.
While I don’t post a lot, it is always cool to see all of the familiar faces. Hopefully I will see you and everyone else at the home opener when they raise our two banners to the ceiling!!! (Actually more like ‘stick them to the wall”)
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Kingsfanone Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@LittleRhody,
I figured out it wasn’t the Danielle we know because see said she was a corporate contracts lawyer, or something like that.
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LittleRhody Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
@Kingsfanone, Ah, you are a very clever man.
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The first rain on our well deserved parade. I agree with some other poster who lamented the fact we are having more summer Doughty drama.
I’ll weigh in with the comment that I’ve seen young women chasing athletes for nigh on 50 years. I remember going to a Dodger’s game back in the late 70′s early 80′s and there were 4-5 scantily clad pretty girls hanging around the locker room obviously looking to hook up with the players. A guy like Doughty has to beat girls off. This latest reminds me of the Kobe Bryant accusations of years back. That accuser claimed rape but it was pretty clear she engineered the meet up in Kobe’s hotel room.
Actual rape is very serious but boy does this accusation sounds dubious.
Weird the police are talking about a pending case. I’m pretty sure there is a rule–or there usually is some rule–that they are not supposed to do that. Might taints things for later if there is a trial.
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Dewey needs an entourage now.
Maybe this will get him to training camp on time that is if I
He is not in jail.
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Didn’t coach Sutter say to stay out of trouble??
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Free Doughty !!!
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So when does this skank get her own reality show?
It’s always about money.
The sad part is if it’s not true, she has stained this man’s reputation for life. This continues to happebn and it makes you wonder when a girl is actually raped..is she lying or telling the truth? Very sad that some of these skanks have done this to all women.
I always believe that if woman makes up a rape story, she should get the jail time the man should expect if he did it. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. Instead they profit off it. Let’s hope her name never comes out so she can’t profit from it. Doubtful with Gloria Allred involved.
None of us know whether he did or didn’t We can leave it to the authorities to determine the facts. This is just speclation on my part.
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A5MINMJR Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 7:23 am
@nykingfan, My thoughts exactly. The way the media tries and sentences people in the news these days, it seems like anyone can make any sort of accusation, and it will stick to the accused regardless of innocence or guilt.
I have a question for those of you out there that know something about this matter. Wouldn’t there be signs of this sort of behavior prior to this incident? Wouldn’t there be character issues with Drew that could be identified as markers? Rape is a power trip crime, not a sexual crime, from what I understand, so wouldn’t there be small indicators of issues in other aspects of Drews life? I mean the guy grew up on a stage of sorts, being a highly scouted and researched individual.
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I know several people who are police officers and police detectives. They all stated that during the investigation they would ask the cab drivers, for example, did she open the door, did Drew open it for her and usher her in? Did they “make out” during the cab ride? Did she make any statements that would lead the driver to belive something hinky was going on? Just these question would indicate whether or not there was a problem.
They also said that usually when there is something amiss with the story you ask “what type of punishment would you like to see,” this is to elicit a reply of castration, or prison for life, something that would indicate that she is very upset. “I don’t want him to win the Stanley Cup,” is not a good answer.
You can also tell by injuries, they can look at a woman and know by bruising, cuts, tearing whatever, and whether she was or was not raped.
My guess is the criminal case will go nowhere, but then she’ll file a civil lawsuit and since you it’s cheaper to settle, she’ll get something for it.
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IceGuy Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:37 am
@eskymi,
None of us know all the facts regarding this incident, and I doubt we ever will, however, I would like to make this suggestion:
If there are no criminal charges made against Drew, and this woman sues in Civil court, I would suggest that he not “pay her off” but counter sue. There is a cost to this type of accusation – both to the accused, in this case Doughty, and, as mentioned above in other posts, to women everywhere who are indeed raped.
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Off Topic but it seems the NHL has instituted the “Stoll Fasce-off Rule”
Batting the puck out of the faceoff circle
A player can no longer win a faceoff by desperately (or sneakily?) bat the puck out of a faceoff with his hands. Here’s the official description:
“Both players facing-off are prohibited from batting the puck with their hand in an attempt to win the face-off. Any attempt by either center to win the face-off by batting the puck with their hand shall result in a minor penalty. This penalty shall be announced as a “Minor Penalty for Delay of Game – Face-off Violation.” Once the face-off is deemed complete (and winner of the face-off is clear), hand passes shall be enforced as per Rule 79.”
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DesertKing Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 6:26 am
@nykingfan,
Cool, a post about hockey
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mrbrett7 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 6:35 am
@nykingfan, Interesting…so in the defensive zone, no more hand passes I guess.
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Diego Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 7:01 am
@mrbrett7,
Only applies to faceoffs, D zone hand passes still allowed.
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Stuart Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:26 am
@nykingfan, wow. fits well with this thread, as this is ridiculous too! I hope this is one of those rules that never gets called. Or before it’s called the linesman claims there was a false face-off.
btw, I like that you used the word fasce!
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nykingfan Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:16 am
@Stuart,
lol..It wasn’t deliberate but it does look pretty good the way it ame out
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nykingfan Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:16 am
@nykingfan, came…man I can’t type!
The story about Drew Doughty comes from a woman who is trying to get a piece of the spotlight. Typical LA woman who seeks the limelight of Hollywood. What a story filled with many holes!. This woman is obviosly lying because she is not cooperating with police. Also, why didn’t she come forward about this on March 2nd. It sounds to me that this woman waited until the Kings won the Stanley Cup to bring this farfetched story. This woman obviously wanted more with Drew than a one night stand. However, Drew rejected her because she was just after his money. What a gold digger this woman is!
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Only thing I just don’t understand. Did the cab driver think they were playing some sort of game? If he forced her into the cab, was it at gunpoint? Knife point?
One would think the cab driver would refuse to take them anywhere.
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Michael J. Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:52 am
@mrbrett7,
Stick point.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am
@Michael J., That’s my point though Michael. The story just doesn’t add up.
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The other day I was discussing the differences between hockey players and other players in different sports. How NHL players don’t ever get mentioned in situation like these, and why that is one of many reasons I prefer the NHL to other sports. And then this comes out. DOH!
Obviously I hope its not true, but at the same time BETTER CHOICES HAVE TO BE MADE BY DD. Don’t be another bozo athlete getting into trouble!
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Its better this story didn’t make the news in March..we don’t win the Cup with a distraction like this.
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KingsFan79 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
@KOHO, my thoughts exactly… even though it may be BS it still would be a distraction.
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100 percent it is about money and the stanley cup victory. why didn’t she say something to the cab driver if she didn’t want to be there.
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KingMe20 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:27 am
@william keating,
To be fair, this happened back in March. Most likely, we’re only hearing about it now because the D.A.’s office has a backlog of cases.
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At least dd was smart enough to hire a cab and not drive after drinking……
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KingsFan79 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
@neil, good point.
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If it turns out that she is lying she needs to face whatever penalty that he would if he was found guilty. It is far too easy to accuse a man of something that can ruin his life with or without proof.
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E-BAD Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 7:28 am
@jonsey, Amen. Look at that high school kid who did 6 years. The girl in that case received 1.6 mil from the boy’s school district. When he got out of prison, she friended him on Facebook! These ladies that pull this mess make it that much harder for the poor girls that actually get assaulted. Ladies, if you are sexually assaulted, don’t shower, go straight to the police and demand they take you to the hospital BEFORE conducting an interview.
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Rape victims don’t hire “representation”. They aren’t cavalier and vindictive when they are interviewed by police. They don’t refuse to cooperate (in any way) in the investigation and they don’t want money or to have their attackers not win trophies. This is a girl who played hard to get and thought it was cute enough to get a call from Doughty after giving up the taco on the first night. She claimed to reject Doughty in front of his teammates, but then magically ended up at HIS HOUSE? They met in a bar and wound up at his house after she turned him down is her story. That is not speculation, its her story. I’m sorry, but she is not behaving like a rape victim, she is behaving like a girl whose text messages aren’t being answered. By the way, her rape kit performed by medical professionals revealed no sign of forced intercourse. All facts.
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Bobcraneselbow Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am
@E-BAD, Great post…”the taco”….love it!
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No matter what there is no good end to this story. Even after he is cleared there are going to be those that will forever call him a rapist. His image has already been tarnished. He should sue.
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Danny Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 7:48 am
@Eric, my point exactly.
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DesertKing Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
@Eric,
Good point. No one wins in these situations.
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Drew should go and watch the skit Dave Chappelle did called “The Love Contract”, inspired by the similar accusations against Kobe.
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A bigger concern for me is this: who were the “teammates” that were with him in this establishment??? Without knowing names, I’m pretty sure they were all OLDER and WISER than 3D. Why didn’t any of them step in and tell him that he’s about to make a risky move? Surely this type of scene plays itself out like so many bad movies. A is followed by B, which leads to C which leads to regret. good job teammates.
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pr0cess Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:41 am
@Stuart, Could it be they did tell him? And that he is a grown man and will make his own decisions.
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Stuart Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 8:47 am
@pr0cess, possibly. I know if one of my friends wasn’t listening to what I was “telling him” than I would’ve been there to jump in the cab too. Girls look out for each other all the time (which is another aspect of this story that hasn’t been mentioned, was she there alone? I doubt it) I don’t see how or why one of the guys didn’t step up and keep this from happening… UNLESS, as has been stated previously by more than one Insider, it was consensual and this young lady was more than willing to be escorted out by her hockey playing cash cow…
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FiG17 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:38 am
@Stuart,
The way I understood that part of it was that they were laughing at Doughty for being publicly rejected… I don’t think it explicitly says they were around when any of the allegations occurred.
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I had a friend accused of a very similar type situation about two years ago. He was arrested that night. So, if this girl actually went to police right away, why wasn’t Doughty arrested then? (My friend’s situation was also in Los Angeles County). My friend was held for 4 days before the DA refused to prosecute, arrested on a Friday and released Monday. Girls are scandalous (and I am a woman, I have known enough lying, conniving women to know how bad they can be).
It is terrible that this will stay with him the rest of his life.
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Just sad. Sad that there’s the possibility that someone was raped or the possibility that someone was being extorted after exercising poor judgement.
Either way, the whole situation is just plain sad.
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Kopi coming in Slovenia. Live!
http://24ur.com/sport/hokej/v-zivo-na-24ur-com-prihod-kopi-s-tarja-na-brnik.html
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SLIM Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@Thisistheyear,
Fantastic stuff..Thank you…
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vinny Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
@Thisistheyear, awesome, thanks
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This all stinks of Kobigate 2003.
DD is not going to be charged, which is a good thing. What is not a good thing is what this whole thing says about DD, his maturity (or lack of), and his character. People like to excuse DD saying “he’s young” and such. But, after watching him on the ice for four seasons now, and from what we all have learned about him from his off-ice news is disconcerning. Someone above mentioned that DD’s lack of character might upset the balance that DL has worked so hard to build with this team.
I hope the kid grows up and stops acting like a spoiled 17 year-old and learns to behave like a man on and off the ice.
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Eric Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:20 am
@Michael J., I’m not sure I see your point. What does this say about DD’s character. I think it speaks more of the accusers. I’m a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.
Here’s another thought to consider… He was a HUGE part of winning the Cup. I wouldn’t worry about him and team chemistry.
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Michael J. Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am
@Eric,
A man of character doesn’t find himself in these types of situstions. A man of character doesn’t put himself before the team in contract negotiations. A man of character doesn’t bed women the way that many athletes do.
Yes, he was huge on the ice in the playoffs, save the childish tantrum in the Phoenix series.
Just my opinion.
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Eric Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:11 am
@Michael J., A man of character can still bed women.
Just my opinion.
Michael J. Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:27 am
@Michael J.,
But, he will open the door for he on her way out
nykingfan Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:31 am
@Michael J.,
I have to disagree with you…
He came up as an 18 yr old in a big city like LA. I’m going to assume it’s similar to NYC where there are thousands of chicks throwing themselves at atheltes..they call them “groupies” It’s not only guys like DD that pick up some of these girls, veteran players do it as well. hookers are also sometimes the “girls of choice” for athletes.
My point is athletes picking up women is about as common as breathing. If it’s a character flaw, then it’s a flaw shared by the majority of professional athletes..not just DD.
I recall when I was 18-22 years old I really wasn’t worrying to much about a chick going back to my place and thinking she might claim rape against me. Why should we expect a teenager to think as an older adult?
He turns 21 and goes out drinking…Is that abnormal for a 21 yr old kid to do?
Sometimes we expect different behavior from our athletes than we would expect from any other person of similar age. He’s famous and well paid because of what he can do on the ice. Let’s not confuse that with being mature beyond his years.
If he actually raped the girl then he should be brought before the justice system and if found guilty should go to jail like any other rapist. If not, then he’s just a normal 22 yr old kid who had the misfortune of meeting a sleazy skank like this girl. It could have happened to any one of the players.
I’m sure he’s learned a valuable lesson from all of this, but it’s a lesson that has to be learned the hard way sometimes…
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Michael J. Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am
@nykingfan,
Voltaire (not Stan Lee) said that “with great power comes great responsibility”. I just hope this kid figures this out. I can hardly imaging DD doing anything harmful to any person, and have a harder time imagining that he has any problem finding willing members of the opposite sex. Nevertheless, with that the kid has got to learn some better judgement. We all saw him all red-eyed and sloshed for three or four days after winning the cup. Binge-drinking is a dangerous sign of things that may come down the line.
It’s not without possibility that DD’s penchant for the adult beverage in combination with his obvious lack of maturity (yes, even for a young man at 22) were both significant factors in this whole mess.
He needs to grow up before he ends up behind the wheel when he shouldn’t be, or “celebrating” Father’s Day before he’s ready.
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Eric Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:16 am
@Michael J., This I can agree with.
I find a whole lot of “credibility” issues with this statement alone…
“woman has alleged that Doughty forced her into a cab and then sexually assaulted her at her home.”
#1 – If she was being forced into a cab, she could have said something to the cab driver who could have either told them to get out of the cab or called police if she was in danger.
#2 – They went to HER house. meaning she had to put a key into her door and turn it to allow her and Doughty to enter.
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vplaza Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 9:26 am
@Sebastian,
I buy that there should be some questions about why a cabbie would not do anything if he saw someone being forced into his cab.
But, I won’t immediately dismiss the possibility that she did let him into her house, decided that she didn’t want to have sex with him, but he decided not to take no for an answer.
Taking both events into consideration, the credibility of the whole story doesn’t add up. If she had said that she consented to go home with him but then changed her mind but he didn’t, then maybe it’s more credible. But to say that he forced her into a cab and then forced her to unlock her door, all the while there was no one she could call for help to or someone to see her in distress, makes her story shaky at best.
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The original complaint against DD was assault with a deadly weapon, but upon further review, well let’s just say the facts didn’t support that, much to Drew’s embarassment.
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KingMe20 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:24 am
@JackKentCooke,
Ouch.
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JackKentCooke Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@KingMe20,
Rumors are that Drew plans to appeal .
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After a night to process this mess I keep coming back to one big question that I am sure is in some report somewhere: why wasn’t Doughty arrested?
The police are not exactly the most patient and understanding people when a woman claims rape. The primary directive is to keep the peace. If there were any evidence to indicate probable cause then Doughty is arrested in March. Here we are in the end of June and the first report also indicates that charges are not likely to be filed?
The alleged victim accuses someone of date rape, which in all fairness can happen up to the final second (no means no fellas), so all the lead up behavior is circumstantial at best. She has a medical rape examination by trained doctors that do this for the police regularly. She is interviewed extensively and the best they can say is “she has credibility issues”. Don’t forget: these cops and these doctors are not trying to help Doughty here. Quite the contrary, they are cowboys looking to keep the peace. With that deck stacked against him they don’t even find enough to make an arrest or file charges. Kobe had to post bail and his case was dismissed and blamed on an over zealous prosecutor. Doughty’s mess hasn’t even gotten close to that and its been 3 months.
To add insult to it all the alleged victim goes and hires a notorious media loving lawyer to represent her. Since there is no criminal case there are no victim’s rights claims so it can only mean one thing: civil case which means pay me. Sad day for humanity much less hockey.
No more.
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@KingHal, BTW you are certainly entitled to believe what you want.
Allow me the SAME courtesy.
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Stop with the quick judgements and smears of the accuser and her choice of lawyer. It might be true that this is all a scam. But, even if it is sexual abuse is a real and disturbing crime (see Sandusky trial). By ridiculing the woman you are just addidng to the wall of shame that keeps true victims from reporting abuse against them.
If this is a money grab it will sort itself out eventually.
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pr0cess Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:12 am
@Weasel, Indeed the loose Judgment and jokes about Rape are kind of BS…
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KingMe20 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
@Weasel,
I agree. I’ll admit that I raised an eyebrow at the fact that “prison” was reportedly not her first thought when she was asked what his punishment should be. I also find it interesting that Gloria Allred had no comment when she was asked about the case. Those things lead me to believe that there isn’t much to the accuser’s case. Then again, she filed this report the next day back in March, so it’s not like this is a result of the success the Kings had this year, so who knows? You’re correct that we should leave it to the police, the district attorney, and those involved to decide whether there was a crime here before we start throwing around labels at either the accuser or Drew Doughty. He may not have done it, or he may have. We weren’t there, so we can’t say.
That being said, one thought I have had whenever I’ve seen a photo of them taking the Cup out to bars and clubs is that this sort of thing could happen. I hope that what comes out of this is that these guys learn that they have to be careful out there. A professional athlete has to know that part of the territory that comes with a high salary and a celebrity status is that people will look for ways (legitmate or not) to get paid. How do you combat that? No one’s asking them to stay home, but just be more careful about where they go and who they let hang around them. As my boss once said to me, “Just try not to do anything stupid.”
Being a professional hockey player is a thrilling life, and winning the Cup puts you at the top of that profession, but it also paints a big bullseye on you. I think Doughty and the rest of them have to ask themselves when they go out to bars and clubs if it’s worth risking all of that for just a few hours of fun.
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Purple and Gold Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am
@Weasel, Most people are not making snap judgements, From the information available the accusers story does not add up, that is the point most people are making.
As bad as the actual crime is lying about it, causes serious repercussions as well because the persons accused reputation is tarnished for life, even when not proven guilty.
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DLB Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
@Purple and Gold, I have no problem with points about the story not adding up being made; unfortunately many here have made snap judgments and added derogatory language (“ho,” “skank,” etc.).
Many studies have shown that while false accusations do occur, unreported assaults are a much more frequent problem in this country. Most victims do not come forward, and an atmosphere of blaming the victim no matter what the circumstances contributes to that.
As Paige said, this has not been a pleasant experience for some female readers today at the Insider. I had hoped for greater moderation.
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Sometimes I get the feeling I’m the only one in the world that just ignors these stories as they can never be proven one way or another. This doesn’t change my feelings about DD one tiny bit.
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the saddest thing is seeing Insiders’ turning on their own. Ultimately, this is none of OUR problems!
And for everyone even mentioning Sandouchesky in the same breath as this incident needs to have their head examined. Predation on children (in general because nothing has been proven in the PennSt. case yet) is far more heinous than the absolute worst thing that could’ve possibly happened between 3D and this woman.
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Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@Stuart,
I menationed Sandusky and reason is that victims don’t come forward due to shame even in the worst cases. I am not saying this is the same thing. I am saying that the name calling of alleged victim and her choice of lawyer is in bad taste because sexual abuse is so stigmatized.
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paige Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I agree that references to the Penn State case are extremely inflammatory. I think the reason it keeps popping up on this blog is because people are trying to point out that we should guard against a culture that tolerates sexual violence. On this page alone today, I have seen women described as “bimbos,” “skanks,” “gold-diggers” and “prostitutes.” On the heels of a rape allegation, it was suggested by one commenter that laws skew too far in favoring women. It’s just been a banner day for the ladies on the LA Kings Insider comments.
I think that the overwhelming defense of DD, here speaks, at best, to our desire to believe that someone we admire or like couldn’t be capable of something so terrible, or it reflects skepticism of the scant details revealed so far. At worst, it reflects a dismissive/permissive attitude toward sexual violence and an instinct to blame the victim.
I have no way of knowing if this is a genuine rape case or a false allegation. I can’t argue that either is the case. I have seen people suggest that this is a good learning opportunity for DD. I think it’s a good learning opportunity for people on this blog. Estimates vary according to the studies cited, but roughly between 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 women are the victims of sexual assault at some point in their lives in the U.S. Conservatively, 54 percent of rapes are never reported to police. The FBI estimates that 8 percent of cases reported are unfounded.
A lot of the commenters here are guys. What do these stats tell you? Odds are that a woman you care about has been the victim of sexual violence but did not report it. If the comments on this blog tell us anything, it’s that people are quick to attack the reputations of accusers.
It’s wrong to convict DD without proof. It’s equally wrong to convict the alleged victim without proof.
In a case like this, all the facts will never be made public. But at least we all can be measured in how we talk about it.
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DLB Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
@paige,
Thank you for this post. I hope everyone reads and reflects on it.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
@paige, Thank you!!!!!!!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
@Stuart, My intention was not to compare the two. It was to make a point that people CAN see stuff happening before their very eyes and NOT do the right thing. The “his teammates would have stepped in” or “the cab driver would have called the police” is very naive.
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Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That is the law of the land & how I look at these allegations.
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KC23 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:22 am
@King Alex, Bingo. Until then I just don’t give a rats ….
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Let me guess, they have sex and she says “Wait, I could totally Kobe this guy!”
Drew needs to talk to Dave Chappelle and get the “sex contract”!
KOBE!!!
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WE WON THE CUP!! WE WON THE CUP!! GKG-AGAIN!!
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Stuart Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:33 am
@DesertKing, I can’t wait to hear David Courtney introduce the boys as: YOU’RE 2012 STANLEY CUP CHAMPION LOS ANGELES KINGS!!!
when do you think the banner raising will happen? 1st home game? sometime during the 1st week?
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Stuart Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Do’h! wrong you’re! YOUR!
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DesertKing Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:37 am
@Stuart,
I have been told first home game. Most of us will probably cry when it goes up. Hopefully our opponent that night will be either Anaheim, SJ, VanHoover or the Cryotes.
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If I were a millionaire professional 22 year old athlete, I’d be banging around also. The key really is he is 22. It’s crazy what we did at 22 that we stopped doing by 30. Anyway, the fact that the detectives investigating goes out of the way to indicate that the accuser has credibility issues rather than just merely stating that there is not enough evidence (which they could have easily done instead)leads me to believe this is just someone trying to get a settlement.
And why would his teammates stop him from consentually taking a women to a hotel? That’s the main purpose of barhopping. Anyway some of the hottest girls are also the nuttiest. My opinion of DD is not going to be tarnished by claims that were not supported by a thorough investigation.
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KingsFan79 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
@BringBackButchGoring, Agree 100% and yes, stuff I did at 22 seems non-existent in my 30s.
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Alright, enough of that.
Does anyone have any clue as to what the Kings will do at the draft? DL has always been a major player in draft day dealings. Might he package Hickey, Muzzin, or Vey, etc with that 30th pick to move up? Or is he stuck with it due to the Carter deal?
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
@Michael J., I’m guessing Columbus is going to take the pick. From their perspective, it makes more sense to take the 30th pick this year and have someone by draft day next year a year closer to making the club than pick 25th or whatever next year
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Michael J. Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@BringBackButchGoring,
I hadn’t thought of it that way. I hear that the 2013 draft is much stronger than this years, so that may play into it as well. If I were CBJ I’d take the pick (from the Kings)this year too, ship out Nash for prospects and picks, and start the “5 year rebuild” ASAP.
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Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@BringBackButchGoring,
If I were Columbus’ GM I’d take the pick — I nothing else because being a GM is a day to day job and a player who can help me sooner means I might keep my job longer.
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BringBackButchGoring Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 11:15 am
@Weasel, I’d be shocked if DL was not getting numerous calls about DD2. After seeing the Kings win the SC, it appears from several GM’s comments that there will be a renewed emphasis on defense and DD2 instantly step into the lineup of many teams.
Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
@Michael J.,
Really, really hoping that Pontus Aberg falls to us — huge gamble with huge upside as far as the scouting reports look — could just be a player who is toosmall to make it in the NHL or could be special as he played well in the Swedish Elite league at 18. At 30th and stocked pretty well for the short run a long term gamble might just pay off huge.
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Michael J. Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Weasel,
Not familiar with Aberg, but he is listed at 5’11″, which isn’t too small…
I find it interesting at what “too small” is. I’m all of 5’7 1/2″ tall, and I’m at least an inch taller then Foxy and Evans. If “40 is the new 30″ then 5’11″ coule be the new 5’8″…
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Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@Michael J.,
From Hocky Prospectus website (I think it’s okay to cut and paste since it’s in their non-subscribtion section)
9. Pontus Aberg, Left Wing, Djurgarden-SEL
Pontus Aberg has had a nice year over in Sweden from a counting numbers perspective for an 18-year-old, logging over 10 minutes per game, which is good for a player his age in that league. He got off to a hot start, but injuries impeded him somewhat in the second half of the year. Aberg is a plus skater with very good acceleration off his first few steps and a pretty dangerous top speed. He also has a plus shot which will drive a decent portion of his offensive value and allow him to maintain an above league average shooting percentage over his career. His shot is pretty accurate with good technique on his release, his one-timers fly off his stick with remarkable speed, and Aberg has the makings of a dangerous power play triggerman. Aberg has great hands and can show some flash in that area in terms of being able to make great individual plays in creating space for himself. His true strength isn’t about being a dangerous puck controller, though, as it is playing a speed game and getting the puck to the net. At times, he can move the puck around at an average level, but he doesn’t overly impress with his vision. Aberg also needs to work on his defense, although with his on-ice work ethic, there is reason to believe the finer points of his defensive game will come along. Aberg’s physical game also likely tops out as below-average because of his size but he does work hard and has a gritty edge to his game.
Ranking Explanation: This was a much closer call than the Murray vs. Aberg decision. It also was one where the two players were very different, which certainly made me think hard about the decision. Aberg is a really fast, really skilled sniper, whereas Faksa is a good do-everything player without a lot of high-end flash to his game. Aberg is a better skater, has better puck skills, and a better shot, whereas Faksa is a better passer with better overall hockey sense in both ends on top of a much better physical game. For the evaluations, I determined their raw possession skills are about the same with maybe a marginal edge to Faksa, although Aberg’s was more on puck skills whereas Faksa’s was from his puck skills but also puck-moving skills. Aberg is a notch better skater, but in regards to physical game, the gap was more than just a notch as Aberg’s ceiling in that regard is below-average whereas I see Faksa being above average. If I had stopped the evaluation there, it likely would have been a dead tie or a marginal edge to Faksa. However, two factors made me go with Aberg. One was his shot, which is high end. In a possession driven league, I tend not to favor shooting ability so much in my evaluations because it is incredibly hard to identify with the eye or over a season or two and isn’t a very persistent talent in the NHL. However, I will consider it a secondary factor that can play into ties when there is not really a gap between the two players considered. The second factor that helped Aberg was how impressive he was in the first half versus men in a top pro league, albeit at 18 as a late birthdate.
Michael J. Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 11:08 am
@Weasel,
Thanks. It appears that he isn’t very “heavy on the stick”
mcdangles Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@Michael J., If the Kings do get to keep the 30th pick, hopefully Tanner Pearson will still be up for grabs. Another 2 players that I have seen the past couple of years in the OHL that I hope the Kings might try to get either one, both have amazing speed, both over 6′ but need to fill out, mind you they are still only 18, both have great play making skills and would be key to the Kings in a couple years on the offensive end. Andreas Athanasiou and Matia Marcantuoni. Matia has actually told me last time I spoke that the Kings have met with him a couple times already as well as the Tampa Bay Lightning. Nick Kerdilas is another that is actually a L.A local kid, played with he LA SELECTS and is currently on the U-18 development team USDTP
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Weasel Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
@mcdangles,
Again all from Hockey Prospectus
27. Nicolas Kerdiles, Left Wing, USA Under-18 National Team-USHL
Kerdiles is the top forward on the US U-18 team in what has been a weak crop of forwards for them this year. He’s not a truly flashy player but certainly has good offensive skills and is a pretty well-rounded player with several offensive elements and gets it done in his own end as well. Kerdiles is a good skater who has a technically sound stride and can really be a pest on the forecheck with his speed. He has solid puck skills with the ability to make the odd move in open ice and shows some creativity off the rush. Kerdiles will flash the ability to be an above-average distributor but is inconsistent in that area as there will be times when he has tunnel vision and doesn’t show desirable sense, only to make a great sense play later in the game. He’s a hard-working two-way player who will drive the net, pressure physically on the forecheck, and hustle back diligently to help on defense. Kerdiles will also be used on the penalty kill and shows the ability to be effective. He doesn’t have a really notable weakness other than his somewhat skinny frame, though as stated above, he doesn’t have a standout skill.
68. Andreas Athanasiou, Left Wing, London-OHL
Athanasiou looked brilliant at the summer Ivan Hlinka tournament, showing high-end offensive tools, getting some thinking he had legit top-15 potential if not top 10. However, that’s why you keep tabs on players for lengthy durations, as it was clear throughout his OHL play that Andreas has the potential to be that player but is a long ways off. Athansiou is a plus skater, with a great one-two step burst and the ability to turn any play off the rush into a breakaway if the defender loses his gap. He also is a tremendous puck-handler who can really dangle and make opponents look silly. He uses a stick that’s a little long for his size but still manages to show tremendous coordination in tight, and he’s good at getting his stick on loose pucks. Alas, though, while all these things are great qualities, there’s a ton Athanasiou needs to work on. First of all, his hockey sense is bad, replacement level at best. However, he shows flashes of good playmaking skills, and flashes of okay defensive ability, but the majority of the time, he doesn’t really do a whole lot distribution-wise and plays a mostly one-way game. He’s also a slight guy who has moments where he drives the net and engages, but most of the time, he looks like a perimeter player who doesn’t go to the high percentage areas.
79. Matia Marcantuoni, Right Wing, Kitchener-OHL
Marcantuoni came into this season with a fair amount of hype and had some scouts thinking he could potentially go in the top 10. Many months later, now, after several notable injuries including concussion issues and an overall disappointing season, dreams about being taken in the first round have faded for Marcantuoni. He’s a high-end skater with fluid, smooth movements and great jump in his step. His push-offs look effortless and he generates so much speed in every stride. Marcantuoni plays a high-energy game as well and really leans on his best asset to soar all over the rink, and will also engage physically. He’s a good puckhandler who shows good coordination, and when he’s on his game, can create offense without his speed. However, there are simply too many nights when he’s off and looks one-dimensional. He’ll force a lot of bad plays and overall doesn’t show impressive hockey sense on a consistent basis, although when he’s on, he shows nice vision. There are some in the industry who wonder how much these concerns have to do with several head-related injuries or if this is the kind of game Marcantuoni would have played regardless. He’s a big risk for whoever drafts him, but with significant upside.
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Didn’t someone sing that the more money you’ve got the more problems you have? DD gotta get used to this sorta thing. Gotta be real careful with the lady friends.
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Cant wait for a hockey post
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Rich
do you have any info on Frozen Fury Tickets?
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vplaza Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 10:52 am
@BrokeKingsFan,
Presale started today at 10am and lasts until June 25 at 10pm.
The presale for the “Battle for the Empire” in Ontario also lasts until June 25 at 10pm.
The bummer is I’m out of town the weekend of the Ontario game! And I was really looking forward to it.
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@vplaza, do you know the internet pre-sale password? you need a password for the pre-sales….go figure
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vplaza Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@BrokeKingsFan,
VIPENEWS and KINGSPRIDE
BrokeKingsFan Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@vplaza, your the man…thank you!
@chris,
Cause she is only looking for cash. Both sides can take a lie detector and be done with it.
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Good thing we have a Brad Doty and not a Drew Doughty on this team
Why is this story even relevant?
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STOP THE PRESSES!!!
Juraj Mikus Traded(?)
http://www.hokejportal.net/?q=clanok/obranca-juraj-mikus-sa-zo-zamoria-presunul-do-hc-lev-praha/40594
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What seems painfully apparent to me is that Drew put himself in a bad spot by going home with a, shall we say “unscrupulous” women, who is obviously trying to get some of that 56 million. This case will, without question, be ultimately dropped.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
@SpencerMaze, That too is Monday morning quarterbacking. If indeed DD is the victim here than he is just that, a victim. Just as if a woman is raped she didn’t “ask for it” neither did Doughty “ask” to be blackmailed.
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Rich, thanks for the info. Sorry my brethren have decided to pull our hockey blog into a debate about over pre-determined bias in gender relations. Even though I know it’s faulty, I hope our justice system gets it right this time because sexual assualt is a very serious issue.
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I’m a little disappointed when I see so many people making light of what, potentially, could be a very, very serious situation for Doughty and the Kings. All of you name-calling–this is why so many women are hesitant to come forward.
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pr0cess Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@deadcatbounce, Indeed i have said more then once, making light of Rape is not cool at all…
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KingMe20 Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@deadcatbounce,
Agreed.
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A sexual assault is very serious. From my experience and judging from the way other sexual assaults involving celebrities were handled authorities take these very seriously. So if a victims story begins to fall apart in any way shape or form, investigators become very apprehensive. This is not a game. Investigators know a lot is at stake. If you read the stories this woman’s story has Become shaky. If she’s not being fully honest, that’s an afront to real victims. I think the lesson that needs to be taken is that these athletes need to be careful who they involve themselves with and how they treat people.
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this reminds me of Kobe. A chick who just wants money and get famous, other than amitting of having a great time in bed with s star NHL player, she needs to say i got raped and ruin someones career, and life. That chick needs to grow up, and myabe get raped and see how it really feels to woman who get raped. This is not a joke. She would not even let him in the house if she did not want to do it. Also the cab driver would of known something in the car and would of called the cops if anything. Bad thing is we have a few fans who jump the gun and blame doughty. why dont u stand behind ur team/family. and nail this chick hard. When it comes out and say everything is all dropped charge her for slander. Hang her out to dry.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@vancitykingsfan, If you stand 100% behind every statement you just made you are being incredibly naive. And one of your statements — and you know which one — was totally uncalled for.
I don’t know what happened and I’m not claiming to but I do know this: women DO get raped, people DON’T stick up and do the right thing all the time and inviting a man into your apartment is NOT an open invitation for sex.
And BTW I happen to be male.
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vancitykingsfan Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
@HockeyNerd, I am 100% percent behind what i said. I know a girl hwo got raped and was willing to do anything to get that guy. She is not even talking to the cops or wanting to do a exam on herself. Also since this happened in March. why did she not say anything then, but has to say it when they won the cup. The chick is a lier and faking it to get money. Guess drew never paid for that hooker. lol
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
@vancitykingsfan, WE are finding out about it now. My understanding is SHE reported it immediately.
And again if you think everyone always does this correct moral thing when this stuff happens you obviously never heard the news from Penn State.
I agree with one thing — throw the book at her IF she is making this up. But innocent until proven guilty. Or does that just only apply to famous athletes and not to women?
I’m not prematurely convicting Drew, but please think before you write because if Doughty played for the Ducks you’d have already given him the death penalty.
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Eric Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
@deadcatbounce, No. I wouldn’t have. Thanks, though.
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I personally think this is a bogus charge not because I have any personal bias but it seems that if you are being truthful in your allegations then you would cooperate in the investigation. It seems very odd that the “victim” is the one being uncooperative. In maturity does not translate into this kind of thing necessarily. He’s only 22 so what do you really expect but that alone does not mean he has the mentality to go out and assault somebody. My 2 cents.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
@KingsFan100, Your Two cents just inflated many times over. Unlike 99% of the posts above you explained your position well based on the ACTUAL FACTS. Kudos.
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Darryl Sutter’s closing remark at the victory celebration seems to be hanging in the air over this situation.
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Just my thoughts. Not on the guilt or innocence, but on the character assasination.
Single people meet everyday. I have found myself on a few occasions meeting an engaging female, sharing drinks, and (on even fewer occasions) spent intimate time with that person. I do not consider myself (or her for that matter) “immature”, and I absolutely do not consider myself some sort of sexual deviant.
This is what adults do.
Yes DD should be more gaurded considering his standing in the hockey community (which his livelyhood depends on), and the fact that he can be targetted financially, but he has done nothing different from most single 22 year olds (or even single 40 year olds) do.
I do hope that some light can be shed on the circumstances surrounding this unfortunate serries of events, but it in no way sheds any light into the whether DD has grown up or not, and morally judging after the fact, or placing relationship values on any 1 person is not the way to properly convey your own views.
Just my thoughts. Take it or leave it.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 20th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@Dominick (defrim65), I’ll take it. Very well put.
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Dominick (defrim65) Reply:
June 21st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@HockeyNerd,
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I, for one, take it. Pretty coherent thought Dominick. I am a woman, and even I have had such encounters. Not with famous athletes, of course, but still. No matter who you are, man or woman, rich or poor, begger or superstar, you have to be careful going into these situations. Its just unfortunate that this is what we’re talking about when what we should really be doing is celebrating our first STANLEY CUP. GO KINGS GO!
PS, I’m a closet reader, and first time poster, so go easy on me
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Dominick (defrim65) Reply:
June 21st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
@Tommiegirl,
Probably too late to welcome you to the insider, but…..Welcome to the insider. I agree, it is very unfortunate.
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