The New Jersey Devils held their media availability at the team hotel this morning, and no changes are expected, but the Kings are expected to make one change, with Simon Gagne drawing in for Brad Richardson. It’s not known whether Richardson has an injury — ice time in the first two games wouldn’t suggest so, at least not an injury preventing him from playing — but Gagne would be back in a game for the first time since he suffered a concussion on Dec. 26, likely in that fourth-line role alongside Colin Fraser and Jordan Nolan.
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And so the ‘impossible’ is becomes possible. Never say never as many of you did. This is a big move by our fearless leader Sutter. I’m sure he has a very good reason to mess with chemistry. Our 4th line has been money most of these playoffs, but they didn’t have their best game on Saturday and I thought Richardson was the weak link out there. He looked like he got beat up a bit. I just hope this doesn’t backfire!
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Lime Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:23 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Wonder why He didn’t roll with Kyle…
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@Lime,
Because KFC doesn’t play on the PP, which is the biggest thing that is not working for the Kings.
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:43 am
@vplaza, yes, I agree with this reason 100%. Not so much for his 4th line time, but his PP time. Although, considering we’ve had 2 PPs, I don’t know who effective he’ll be. But it does give PDB something else to think about…
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am
@Lime,
To me it’s simple. Gagne’s experience.
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
I agree that his experience will be helpful. I only hope that he’s at 100% game speed or else he may be limited in how he can help the team on the ice.
Northern Fan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), It;s all about getting Gagne’s name on the cup if they win. Better hope this doesn’t backfire on Sutter. Richie deserves better
Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
He won’t be at “100%” because he hasn’t been playing in games. Sutter’s hoping his experience will carry the day though. And very few of those players on both teams are 100%. Sometimes one player’s 60% is far better than another player’s 90%.
Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
A lot of hot air will be wasted below by those not having taken this into consideration..
Josh M Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am
@Lime, Worst comment of the day. Lol. JK. Should be interesting to see him out there. The cameras will be on him at all times so those of us without tickets will get a nice glimpse of him on TV. Haha
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Lime Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@Josh M, Get the box tickets from your work dude, you know i’ll jump on board with that.
@Vplaza Yes, putting Gange in to improve the PP makes a whole lot of sense.
@Waves Here’s to hoping he doesn’t play with any nervousness since he’s been out since, what, December?
Lime Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@Josh M, Gagne… even.
Twilt Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@Lime,
I believe the decision was made because NJ needs to come out aggressive down 2-0. In doing that it seems like they will give up the agressive penalties such as boarding and slashing much like phoenix did in game 3 at Staples. To win tonights game, the power play will have to be effective or a failed power play becomes a let down. If it works DS will look like a genius. I see at least 5 power plays for the Kings tonight
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m.r.morris Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
@Lime, Couple reasons… Gagne is a thorn in Brodeurs side and he is good on the PP. I just hope he is rollin hard tonight.
GO KINGS GO
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
I really had my doubts that DS was going to make a change for the sake of making a change unless something wasn’t really working. But, the reality is, the PP was not working at all, so if he thinks that Gags is ready to go and help that unit out and not hurt the line 5-on-5, then I trust DS.
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Northern Fan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@vplaza, gagne hasn’t played in 5 months – he won’t see any pp
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@Northern Fan,
How can he be any worse than the current PP units?
Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Northern Fan, I bet he does…that is if the Kings do.
PRMan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Northern Fan, Don’t be surprised to see him take Dustin Brown’s spot.
loskingpride Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@Northern Fan, Our 4th line goes out on the pp when our pp units can’t do anything. Gags will get time.
spidey35 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), I hope Gagne can keep up and not get re-injured.
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Kopi Bryant Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@spidey35, I honestly believe that DS would not put somebody in who is not ready to play at this point.
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Hutch Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
@Kopi Bryant, Good point.
Real 7 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@Kopi Bryant, for sure he’s ‘feelin’ it’ and must be nervous about now….
I’m sure he’s as physically ready as is possible…
cromartee Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
IF this is true, I have to admit that I was 100% wrong. My reasons: 1) Players coming back after a long layoff are probably more often lousy than good. 2) There are other options if Brad Richardson is pulled for some reason.
Last year my favorite player, JW, came back into the playoffs after a shoulder injury and he sucked. I believe AK was injured by then so things were bleak. Perhaps if the Kings won that series (San Jose?) JW could have got it together by the next. It’s definitely a crap shoot and not necessarily the player’s fault if they turn up rusty under game condition.
We’ll have to put our trust in DS on this real surprise.
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PRMan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@cromartee, JW played pretty good last season.
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cromartee Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@PRMan,
He was my favorite player then as now so I should be biased in his favor. I thought he was way off.
hawaiikingsfan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@cromartee, JW had 3 goals and an assist against SJ last year. Far from sucking.
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cromartee Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
@hawaiikingsfan,
Was San Jose lucky?
iekingfan71 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@cromartee, JW was also still injured, he was playing in pain. Body and head are completely different animals when it comes to injuries. Just hope Gagne doesn’t get injured again, because that would be the end.
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Devilmachine Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
@cromartee, JW looked great his first game back, he had half a shoulder and still took what he could! Gagne will come out with fire in limited minutes. He’s a highly skilled player that could really help the PP.
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jorb Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), People are worrying about Gagne’s conditioning too much, there’s no way he gets in the lineup if he’s not ready. Team chemistry is pretty much the only factor that was keeping him out. Yes, we have won 2 games, but they were as close as you can get. Our offense has been struggling against NJ and Gagne has the most experience of anybody scoring against them.
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Kenny44 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Richardson was doing interviews – no mention of injury. This makes the most sense to engergize the power play. The PP is the easy way to ease Gagne into service, as you typically have more time and space then (players like the early power plays to get time to handle the puck and make passes). Our power play is not working now. Period. So there is no chemistry to disturb. But how will the PP units be set up? I would have liked to see the first two lines kept together as the PP units. I think we need to split up MR and Kopi and get Penner’s net presence in there. But adding Gagne probably means no Penner, unless MR is on the point. That’s probably what I’d do – add Gagne to MR’s line, with MR taking the point / half wall on one side.
I’m actually interested to see Nolan and Gagne work together, too. I’ll be looking to see whether Richardson’s speed is missed. He can be disruptive on the forecheck, at least, which is hard to see on a stat sheet.
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zulov Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
@Kenny44, I think Richardson has been great in his role through the payoffs. I am glad to see him in the lineup and making a difference. I can see why this is Sutter’s secret weapon though. With Nolan looking to make plays, this may just play out as a huge advantage for the Kings. Hopefully, there won’t be any drop off defensively and on the forecheck.
We need Brown to show up in these 2 games like he did in the first 2 and a half rounds.
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paige Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Holy!!!!!!!!! I think Sutter just got sick of the same old story lines and tired of answering the same questions, so he is throwing something new into the media cycle. Gagne is such a skill player, but his game has a physical edge, too. Remember that regular season game when some guy tried to sucker punch Kopi into the boards, and Gagne took him in a flying tackle? I wonder if he will be able to bring that edge after everything he has been through this season.
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Howard Berger Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@paige, Can’t say enough good things about your team, Kingers. My blog today from here in L.A. with some neat aerial shots from flight here yesterday… http://www.bergerbytes.ca/2012/06/it-bears-repeating-kings-are-remarkable/
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Howard Berger,
Howard, thanks for keeping this up. My favorite quote from your blog:
“Sure, you can argue that going 4-for-4 in overtime – and beating Martin Brodeur in such fashion, consecutively, in the Stanley Cup final – requires a dose of karma. But, which of L.A.’s 14 victories this spring hasn’t been earned?”
The Kings may have been fortunate to win the last two games, but in no way, shape, or form, did they not earn those wins. They put themselves in a position to win them and did what a good team does…finish them.
paige Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@Howard Berger, I love that your hockey blog post included pictures or flowers. I believe that is a first.
rontheking Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
@Howard Berger,
nicely written!
G. Faulk Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
@Howard Berger, thanks so much for the professional way you roasted Bommer this am on the power play. That guy has pissed me off with his lack of respect for the kings. It was great to hear all the things you said about the Kings that made them look like the Hockey studs they are. The best was at the end, hey Bommer go to hell. Good job and keep it up.
Kings x Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), SG has been skating for two months and been cleared play for one month. Has been full practicing with the team for weeks. Low minutes and some PP time and I think he will be a much better asset than BR. He has the speed and way better skills. He can always be used as needed to mix up the lines.
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I think it will be for one game and just to make him eligible for his name on the Stanley Cup.
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@Big Rob in Dallas, That is the last reason on earth it would happen.
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Big Rob in Dallas Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Then why not put in Cliffy? I can’t think that Gagne can just step in after missing so many games and be effective. In Sutter we Trust!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@Big Rob in Dallas, That last part! Sutter is a TEAM first guy always. No way, no how does he do anything for the individual, let alone something so risky. Clearly, he believes Gagne can offer more than Clifford.
spidey35 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
+1
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rick Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Agreed. That would be a very arrogant move on Sutter’s part, which he ain’t gonna do at this point. Regardless, a very strange move to me. If it is for the power play, how can he expect that Gagne has anything to offer after so many months off? I agree that Richardson hasn’t been playing well and am OK with him sitting, but why not put in Clifford? A strong skater and physical presence – just what we need against the Devils.
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OneTimer Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Disagree 100%. This is a Darryl Sutter coached team we’re talking about. If Gagne is going in (and I like it) – it’s because he will benefit the ENTIRE team’s chance to get their name on the Cup – not just Gagne’s.
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OneTimer Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@OneTimer, … Sorry – misplaced post.
AGREE with Paul.
Disagree with Big Rob.
Elac Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@OneTimer, It will be interesting to see if Gagne ends up on a line with Richards and Carter, bringing the three ex-Flyers together again.
deelo Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@Big Rob in Dallas,
Gagne’s name would have been on the Cup anyways. Injury appeals are always accepted.
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dannybuoy1 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@deelo, No it wouldn’t. He has to play in a minimum of 41 games. The Kings can believe it or or not petition to have Jack Johnson on there.
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ajg Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@dannybuoy1, what about bernier?
spidey35 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@dannybuoy1, that’s not true. JJ is no longer with the team.
deelo Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@dannybuoy1,
They could appeal for anyone.
Injury appeals are ALWAYS accepted. Marc Savard is the most high profile one recently. Same injury too.
Bill M. Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@dannybuoy1, Not true. If you play 41 games, no appeal is needed, you get your name on the cup. BUT if you are traded, it negates that.
The appeal is for players that didn’t make the 41 games due to injury, but are still on the roster for the playoffs. If you were traded, nothing will get you on.
Also I believe for goalies, the backup goalie gets his name because he dresses for the games, even though he doesn’t start. It’s the players that were not dressed for the game (i.e. IR or Scratched) that are the issue.
deelo Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@dannybuoy1,
That should say almost always accepted….but you know what I mean. If you are a veteran and were hurt during the season playing hockey. You go on the Cup.
7MILforHickey Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@Big Rob in Dallas, ^
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ike Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@Big Rob in Dallas, Ding ding ding…I can’t think of anything else. Gagne will be playing 4th line minutes so he isn’t going in for scoring.
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KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@Big Rob in Dallas, Then you don’t know much about DS or DL. Gagne 75% is better than Richardson 100% any day.
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Not sure how I feel about that. Will he be able to give us the speed and hitting that Richarhson did on that line? I’d much rather put Clifford in.
Some how feel like this is only being done so he will for sure get his name on the cup. I could see doing that if you are up 3-0 or 3-1, but not 2-0, when the series is still very much up for grabs.
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Richardson won’t really be missed, even if he has a good motor. Can’t wait to cheer when Gagne pots one
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Fuzzerson Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am
@Dave, The Marty killer
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Rich,
What of the new Kings-Fox $250 mil contract?
Speculation says that means immediate Quick-signing money…
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, does that 250M mean we don’t have to worry about the cap? I don’t think lack of money is a factor in signing JQ, the cap on the other hand…
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@Stuart,
I actually do…
The Kings/AEG are not a bottomless well of money.
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PRMan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, Um, yes they are…
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/54/DSAK.html
Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, but the cap is more the restricting factor than the cofers of AEG…but what do I know… hve you heard? Gagne might be in the lineup tonight!!!
BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@PRMan,
No rich person/corporation became rich by risking all of their money…
@Stuart,
Yeah…
Richardson’s been a liability, esp. in puck clearance…
Gagne is speed, speed, speed with requisite skill…
Gagne has SCF experience…
Team only needs two wins, but this may tip the very competitive balance between the teams…
Gagne can draw penalties…
Kevco Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, AEG ‘IS” a bottomless pit, but not the Kings. However you still have to fit into the cap space. AEG has always said they will let DL spend if it means winning. Cap is what DL needs to worry about, Quick is going to get a BIG pay check soon.
Kings x Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, The kings are a write off for the entire redeveloped downtown area owned by AEG
KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, Kings have never had any money issues with the current management.
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Bad move imo. Gagne hasn’t played since forever. I love Richardson’s hustle but he’s have a tough time out there. Why not put Cliffy back in? They need someone tough and gritty along the boards and can make that play to the net. Gagne just seems way too fragile a player.
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Northern Fan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@Hat trick, lets put Cliffy in so he can take a couple more stupid penalties
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rontheking Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
@Northern Fan,
He has taken a couple of real boneheaders….
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@Hat trick, if we look back a few months ago and read some of the posts you’ve put on here, I think we’d all be better served to wait and see and just chalk it up to – In DS We Trust.
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KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@Hat trick, Cliffy 100% ?< Gagne's 75%.
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Diego Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@KC23,
If Cliffy’s actually 100%…
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I think Simon Gagne and his offense and experience would really help. That being said, he is not a 4th liner. He should play with Stoll and King on the 3rd line IMO.
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Harry Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@puck73,
I hear ya, and might agree to some point…however, Stolly/Lewey/Kinger are clicking and playing well together…not sure if I would break that line… (so is our fourth line) but we will see. Most likely for his presence and PP purposes.
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Crown Royal Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@puck73,
Not a bad idea. Lewis is really good defensively but just as poor offensively. Might make the third line really dangerous.
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Hackwoods Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@puck73, Gagne is a LW, so if you move him to 3rd line, then it would be Stoll, Lewis, and Gags. I am ok with this, but maybe not in the first game back for Gags in 5 months. Keep him on the 4th line tonight and see what happens.
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EmptyTank Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@Hackwoods,
Yep, gotta keep him at 4th line minutes
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Kenny44 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@EmptyTank, Correct, or he might end up with your name.
PRMan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@EmptyTank, 4th + PP
AJ Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@puck73
I think that the fourth line makes sense–limits his minutes, does not disrupt the cohesiveness of a line that has played really well in this series so far, and lets the team see where he is at this point.
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@puck73, no way is Gagne on the 3rd line… the forecheck would suffer treeeemendously.
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@puck73, Yeah, we talked about this a week ago. Rich is not saying for sure it’s fourth line. Put him on 3rd line, move Lewis or King down and both lines will be better… even if Gagne is a little rusty. If there’s a problem, Gagne they could easily flip back. Maybe it is the 4th line though. They were not able to get the momentum back like they had been.
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zulov Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
@LA_1968, I think its a bad idea to break up the 3rd line. Gags on the 4th line is a much better idea. Nolan is encouraged to make plays. Gags and him can have chemistry.
Stoll Lewey and King have a good thing going – no need to mess with that.
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brianguy Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@puck73, agree but it’s the perfect role to get him into this series, if he plays 3 shifts and 2 PP tonight I’ll take it. If it ends up as a 6 or 7 game series you want this guy available and at top speed. He becomes another Carteresque X factor if things go that way and Sutter ends up looking even more like a genius. If he does nothing, who cares it was still a better option. thought Richardson might’ve been replaced last game so not any huge surprise there.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@puck73, I think he doesn’t want to break up that 3rd line. They play too many minutes to screw with that.
However, the 4th line doesn’t, especially towards the end of the game, and if the Kings get PP time, putting Gagne out there for that may help.
Just my thinking…
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Kenny44 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@mrbrett7, King hasn’t been great in this series. Seems to have slowed down quite a bit. I can see spotting Gagne on 3 and 4 to see how things go.
This move definitely shows that DS does not view this series as “in the bag”
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@Kenny44, Right. This Coach Sutter being proactive and not reactive (to a loss). Good, good, good.
KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@puck73, Both King and Gagne LW, can’t do that.
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Good for Gagne. Shocking if this is purely “coach’s decision” – why fix it if it ain’t broken? But if Richardson is nicked or exhausted it makes sense.
Gagne vs Loti — no contest Gagne all the way
Gagne vs Clifford — This is much more debate worthy.
Will be a definite curiousity to see how he looks after all that time off — has anyone seen him practice? Did he look sharp?
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Any word on Gagne?
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@DoomViking,
Well, I know one thing.
He’s in North America!
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@DoomViking, He’ll never get into a game. Wait till next year.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), I’m gonna look into the archives like you do and see just who was spreading those vicious rumors..
Ha ha ha!
There is a God … and he might just be walking the earth and in our presence …
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@DoomViking, Good one.
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brianguy Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
@DoomViking,
Nah don’t get your hopes up.
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OK.
So who assured me falsely that Simon Gagne was done for the season and we probably wouldn’t see him again in a Kings uniforrm?
Names below, please.
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Scot Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@Duncanz,
Scot
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Shuchuk Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@Scot, Me too. I really hope this works :/
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Scot Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@Duncanz,
Although, I did say he would be ready for next year
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@Duncanz,
Mark
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DesertKing Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@Duncanz,
@DesertKing and I still say it is a bad move. Hopefully they don’t have to cart him off the ice or the Devils get a goal scoring chance because his timing is missing and he can’t keep up on the D-side.
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UpTheIrons! Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@DesertKing, +1
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Cup4la Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@Duncanz,
I didn’t but I woulod have if given the chance. Crazy move IMO. It could pay off but it seems something that you would do more out of desperation.
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bbb7 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@Duncanz, I didnt say it here but I certainly thought it UNLESS someone in the top 6 got hurt or we lost a couple of games in a row. This does indeed surprise me, but I’m sure we dont have all the info yet.
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zulov Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
@bbb7, I see the genius in this decision. Kings may have won both games, but in game 2 certainly the Kings were outplayed. They seem to have effectively shut out our scoring enough to make a 1 goal allowed a nail biter.
Its obvious that the only thing the Kings lack in the series is PP and scoring.
That’s why you put in Gags and thats why you put him on the 4th line. Low risk, potential high reward.
He is a clutch player, he is a good player, he will be super amped to play in the SCF. Now is a good time to try it too. It’s not desperate – its a secret weapon move.
I like it.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@Duncanz, Me…now stow it.
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Kenny44 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@Duncanz, DL pretty strongly implied that Gagne was done. (Or did I infer it?) DS was more circumspect. Who really listens to anyone else?
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LomitaKingsFan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@Duncanz, Seeing this news made me grin recalling the conversation we had at the Kings practice last week. Now lets see if your prophecy comes further to the truth with Gagne getting time on the first or second lines.
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if you kids are honestly befuddled by this then you obviously didnt see how bad richardson was last game. everytime he even touched the puck he lost it within a second. put your “4th line was doing so good” mentallity awayy cuz no mattter how “good” they were doing they can always be better. i bet gange scores tonight
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Danielle Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@7MILforHickey,
That’s what I was thinking during the last game. Richardson just didn’t seem to have it together
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Beast88 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@7MILforHickey, I agree, Richardson was off his game on Saturday. With him struggling, why not give Gagne some action? He’ll probably see limited 5-on-5 action, and maybe shake up the dismal power play.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@7MILforHickey, I agree, Richardson hasn’t been good since the Vancouver series in my opinion.
But, putting in a guy who hasn’t played at game speed, let alone playoff and finals speed since Christmas is a big gamble in my opinion.
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KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
@7MILforHickey, Agreed. Richardson hasn’t a fraction of the skill and experience Gagne. Not to mention Gagne is excellent on the PP which is something we need badly.
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wow. They did this with Parse last year and we saw how that went. I can’t believe he’d put Gagne in over Clifford. Gagne is in no way ready for game shape and 4th line duty isn’t exactly his forte. Our fourth line has been our best line in game one and did well in game two.
This is an unforeseen unfortunate move. I hope it works for Sutter though.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@Dan H., Kings are full of surprises, this year.
I am almost surprised at people’s surprise, nowadays?
When was the last time a DS lineup decision backfired?
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Dan H. Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@Duncanz,
Hey in Sutter I trust but I’m still a long time fan that keeps waiting for the other shoe to drop because I’m used to the history of the franchise.
Changing the engine on a car that’s been running through everyone this far is a strange thing to do unless Richardson is actually hurt. Even then…Gagne has NO legs for games like this. He’s not regular season ready, much less playoff ready, much less SCF ready.
This will for sure be a surprise for NJ…but I don’t know that they’ll be upset.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@Dan H., In fairness, we don’t know if Gagne is in game shape or not….
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@HockeyNerd,
We do, by virtue of his selection by he who shall receive the key to the city of Los Angeles, before the year is out!
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Dan H. Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@HockeyNerd,
How many games has he played since December?
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@HockeyNerd, Zero.
And?
Everybody who has ever come back from an injury has played 0 games since that injury. Should anybody getting hurt any time mean they are done for the year? No matter what?
Look, I’m with you. I’d have put in Clifford IF Richardson is even hurt. But I don’t know how Gagne feels and you don’t either. DS must have seen enough in practice that he thinks Gagne can give some fourth line and PP minutes. And that’s good enough for me.
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Dan H. Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@HockeyNerd,
No they shouldn’t be done BUT they shouldn’t be put in 6 months later when you’re in the SCF’s up 2-0 with your team rolling at a 14-2 clip. Don’t give NJ ANYTHING to build on.
When Richards came back from his concussion…WAY shorter time than Gagne he wasn’t right for a month. When Doughty did the same thing last season…not good for a month. The Kings don’t have time for him to play back into shape. That’s all I’m saying.
I’m cheering with the Kings but I hate seeing something like this get tossed in the mix to change ANY momentum.
HockeyNerd Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@HockeyNerd, You keep saying “play back into shape” like a broken record. YOU DON’T KNOW AND I DON’T KNOW.
DS DOES know.
Get it?
Besides do you really think the conversation in the NJ locker room is going to be something like “Hey Gagne’s playing”. Now’s our chance to get back in the series”? Get real.
He’s not going to play on the first line. He’s going to play on the fourth line and on a power play THAT HAS BEEN NEXT TO WORTHLESS. Don’t mess with winning chemistry? What exactly about the power play has been working?
It’ll be fine. Relax.
BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@Dan H.,
Parse lied about his physical condition, to TM & staff, and admitted so, later…
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Dan H. Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy,
I know. That’s all true. I’m just saying and players have proven it out…riding a bike and skating for practice isn’t near the same as playing in a game.
Look at how long it took Drew to get his legs and he’s 21 and just missed training camp.
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DS for President Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@Dan H., Really? “Gagne is in no way ready for game shape”! And you are so confident of this how? Maybe you should fill in for DS tonight and he can go back to farming. Clearly us fans are in a great position to question the moves of a coach who has gone 14-2 in the playoffs and taken this franchise further than anyone else in history. This has nothing to do with names on a cup either. DS cares about one thing and that’s winning. Since he has way more information on this than anyone else out there; I’d suggest you guys roll with it and get ready to cheer on gags. Gkg!
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vicarious Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@Dan H., Seems to me Sutter and the other coaches, as well as Lombardi and Hextall et al, know their players very well and IMO their judgment has been pretty darn good. Its always a risk bringing a player back from injury. However, I don’t think Parse is that good a comparison. Parse had a bad hip, which effects your mobility, while Gagne’s head injury didn’t effect his motor skills. Also, Gagne has a ton of experience and I’m sure that includes playing banged up. If Gagne’s playing 4th line minutes conditioning shouldn’t be that big an issue.
Richardson? Well, on Jersey’s goal Saturday Richardson got caught in no man’s land. He thought about helping down low, changed his mind, tried to get back, then lost the shooting lane. Gagne is likely more solid defensively.
IMO Clifford would have trouble with New Jersey’s pressure. Even the more skilled guys have trouble with New Jersey’s pressure. Gagne is a better fit. If Gagne’s healthy and his head doesn’t concuss, it’s an upgrade over Richardson or Cliffy IMO.
Props to Nolan, who has been playing very well for a rookie.
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KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@Dan H., Parse had a hip issue … BIG GIANT DIFFERENCE.
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Kings x Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@Dan H., He is as good of game shape as Cliffy.
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zulov Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
@Dan H., Guys – chill out. Do you really think Sutter would be putting Gags in if he thought Gags legs will fail him? I am sure the coaching staff has run Gags ragged to make sure he can handle it.
He is a two time 40+ goal scorer, right? He is someone NJ won’t be prepared for. If the Kings can put in 3 goals, no way Jersey can hang with that.
And its 4th line role – but with Nolan there is an offensive spark. Jersey’s 4th line are excellent energy guys, and good forecheckers – but if you catch them in an odd man situation, you would want someone to make them pay – and I love BR, but he will most definitely hit Marty in the chest from any angle he shoots from.
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Wonton28 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@Dan H.,
How do YOU know if he’s in game shape or not? Obviously he is or else why would Sutter put him in?
Our PP is not great, only scored 2 goals each of the 1st 2 games, he’s a former 40+ goal scorer… how can he hurt us? Oh and he plays pretty solid defense as well.
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Wow, that’s a surprise to me… almost tempted to watch the game now (which starts at 2 AM where I’m at
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Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com) Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@Christian, You in Slovenia?!?! LOL.
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Christian Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), That would be fun, but nope. Sweden.
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Powerplay needs help, Gagne can provide that. Veteran presence who has been in the finals before, and he has played against the Devils and Marty more than any other King. Makes sense if he is healthy to let him play. When he scores tonight i Will be cheering all the way from PA.
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KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@Jenn, Bingo.
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rontheking Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
@Jenn,
That would be awesome! From your lips to the hockey gods’ ears….
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In Sutter we trust !
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Would much rather see clifford inserted in this spot. Not sure what the reasoning behind this is but if it is only to get him stanley cup eligible then it’s a bad move no matter how you slice it.
I know there are far more knowledgeable fans out there so I was wondering if anyone could set me straight. Is there any possibility that the Kings go after Rick Nash of Columbus? Cbus needs goaltending and since Quick has put all doubt aside about who is #1 then doesn’t that make Bernier expendable? With the JJ trade the Kings have already established a good relationship with Cbus. Don’t re-sign Penner or Stoll trade Bernier along with a Clifford/Richardson/Gagne/Parse (any or all)combo. Can you imagine Kopi,Nash,Richards up the middle? Unstoppable dynasty and I do mean nasty.
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@justlu, Nash has final say in where he goes because of NMC and it seemed LA wasn’t on his list of destinations. Anything can happen and after JQ is locked up I’m pretty sure JB is on the move. We can even give another piece to add in the mix, but it’s all up to Nash. I don’t think we need him as badly as I thought we did earlier on though… funny what winning does.
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KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
@justlu, Reasoning is easy. Experience and skill far far above Clifford.
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Not sure how I feel about this. I’m sure both DS and SG himself feel he is in game shape and ready to go. And if that is truly the case, yes a healthy Gagne is definitely > Richardson.
I think DS may have also decided that we can’t keep dodging bullets with the PP, that at some point we will desperately need to score on it.
I very much doubt it but IF this is only to get Gagne’s name on the cup it makes ZERO sense…..
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@HockeyNerd,
Coach Darryl would not make an emotional decision to put this campaign at risk.
This is not an option on a shift change or a PP formation.
SG’s progress has been carefully monitered all this time.
He will be ready, even if he ends up playing reduced minutes.
What an addition with our fourth line now playing a less robust role!
Good on ya, Coach!
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Put him on the POWERPLAY!!!!!!!
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HockeyNerd Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@BigFatKingsFan, I’m sure that’s the idea
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Well, this brings back to life that dead horse that has been beaten over and over…Gagne plays and maybe, just maybe, the Kings score on a PP.
I guess it was good to keep on whacking at the dead horse…
BTW, any updates on Gagne?
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@vplaza, I know, right?
It’s been 26 minutes already and still no news!
Oh well, we can always ask on the next thread, I guess..
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@Duncanz,
Maybe they need to do a Paul Pierce with Gagne tonight…psyche out the Devils.
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KingsFan in OC Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@vplaza, Not sure of any Gagne updates, but I am still wondering if Bob and Jim will get asked to call one of the SCF games.
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@vplaza, imagine if SG comes in and the PP goes 7-10 for the rest of series… Kompon would then be saved…AGAIN
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@Stuart,
I don’t think THAT dead horse can be saved. I think it’s already been converted to glue.
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@vplaza, hopefully it’s two thighs deep into the grinder as we speak!
Called it…..good move
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KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
@neil, Me too, saw this one coming when I heard DS was feeding Gagne pucks to shoot in practise. You don’t keep an experienced goal scorer like that out when he is 100%.
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players always have a great game their first game back. its the 2nd game that they look out of shape.
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@eric20,
Richardson had a great game his first game in the lineup when KFC went down…let’s hope the same holds for Gagne.
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wow!
I didn’t expect this at all. Let’s hope Ritchie’s ok and good luck to Gags tonight.
I don’t buy for a second that the move is to get his name added to the cup. Last I looked, we haven’t won the 16th game of this post season so therefore it’s insanely premature to think that. Besides if that were the case why not wait until it’s 3-0?
No reason not to have 100% faith in DS and his moves and motives.
I liked Gags early in the season, but prior his concussion he was playing like dog poop It seemed he was challenging Richards for goal scoring futility. Let’s hope he’s he’s ready to come out firing!
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Sc4sc Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@nykingfan, Like Poop? He was on fire before he got hurt. I believe he was leading the Kings in scoring when he got hurt.
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T-minus halfway between Doug Houda and Tim Watters.
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kinglouie Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@vplaza, T-minus halfway between Juha Widing and Warren Rychel.
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Someone ask Richardson’s mom for any injury news?
If she knows nothing then I’d say it isn’t because of injury.
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Simon Gan-yayerrr!
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It’s probably so he can be eligible to get a ring, since you need to play 40 season games or 1 Stanley Cup Finals game
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Lake Forest Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@Roadhouse, Not if you are injured….
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WOW! He has been out for 6 months. I’d said Clifford fits in the 4th line better, but Only if Richardson his Hurt….They are playing so well why mess it up???
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KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@Sandy Avina, Richardson did not play all that well either game.
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It’s funny that people would be questioning Gagne’s readiness as if Sutter might overlook such a critical element. What people have to remember is, not everything Sutter says is the full truth.
The one quote I always keep in mind is when he said to a reporter, “It’s none of your business.” In other words, there’s plenty going on that we do not know about. I never bought the notion that Gagne wasn’t ready. He’s been skating like a devil (hehe) for months. This is a clear case of an ace up a coach’s sleeve and he’s playing it.
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Token Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), BINGO! I like the move. Bold.
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jimrad Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), +1
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Out the folks here, you are probably the one who has more visibility to this since you see them practice. Most of us go by what is said and what we read.
That said, Sutter’s gotten the Kings this far and if he feels this is the right thing to do to win these last two games, then that’s all I need to know.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
I am surprised!
Gotta give Sutter props for pulling this surprise! Nice move.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsSnubsDaily.com),
Was that hapless hombre holding up his press card for Coach to see that particular day, or did you leave it in your other reporter jacket?
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NoOneUKnow Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
That’s what I wanted to hear.
Shaking things up right now doesn’t sound like such a bad idea to me. Its almost like saying – keep pushing and playing hard and here’s some reinforcements (in fresh legs from Gagne). No?
GKG!
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KC23 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Yep, but I don’t think it’s a bold move. No brainer if Gagne’s ready. Gagne for Richardson? Pleeeese. They barely belong in the same league.
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If Gagne flops DS looks like an idiot! If he makes a difference DS looks like a Genius! Idiot VS Genius…….Im hopiong for the ladder! If there is one area right now that Gagne could help us its the PP…..maybe that was a driving factor? who knows….i hope if anything he doesnt end up being a liability and hinder our ability to roll 4 lines. You do however have to like Gagne’s #s against Broduer though….He is a Marty killer! lets go Gags!!!!!
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Maybe he worked on the power play while he was off….oh wait…whose in charge of the power play?…scratch that thought..
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DesertKing Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@tellmeY,
Damn, theres that dead horse again. Could someone please get this dead horse outta here?
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Kingsfanone Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@DesertKing,
Damn……..someone call the dead horse hauler again!
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DesertKing Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@Kingsfanone,
Call 1-800-ELMERS-GLUE, thats 1-800-ELMERS-GLUE…….
DS wouldn’t put Gagne in without believing that he’d be able to skate 10-14 mins for the game.
Gagne is a gamer and has playoff experience. He’ll skate hard, and get some shots. What more did you want from him? He’ll help on the powerplay, and play defense. That’s all we need him for.
Plus, it adds a wrinkle to The NJD’s plans.
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GregDM Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@Scott,
Agree. I think our fourth line was a little exposed in the defensive zone last game. I think Gagne’s experience and defensive ability could be helpful.
Agree on your plus as well. I think it’s intimidating to put another 30+ goal on the ice.
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Would Gagne’s name make the cup?
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Capt Jam Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@AlexPiw,
Yes, he just has to play in 1 Finals game.
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This is a really good move considering how we got lucky and won two stinkers in Jersey.
Gags on the 4th line is to limit the minutes should he not be in 100% playoff shape, but don’t think one second DS wont adjust that if he lights it up on the ice.
Good stuff.
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I was hoping for this. So happy for him. Go get it, Gags!
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@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), yeah its kind of annoying that everyone is saying “bad move”. gagne brings dangerous potential where as we know what richardson already brings to the table
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REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY: This is for our own good so as to assure it won’t happen…
“Now known as the “Gagne Curse” the Kings dropped 4 straight to the Devils, extending their Stanley Cup drought. McSorley jumps for joy.”
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com), Before game 1, you had a photo, or a link to a photo of the practice. Gagne was shooting with other non-red shirts. The other 3 red-shirts were down on the other end of ice.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Funny!
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Minnesota Kings Fan Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Don’t joke about things like that. You’re freaking me out!
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@Paul Armbruster (KingsNewsDaily.com),
Or, Sutter could put in Bernier instead of JQ since Quick has played too many games.
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Conditioning? He’s gonna probably play 4th line minutes + PP, so conditioning shouldn’t be too much of an issue. And if he finds the twine on a PP, so much the better.
A little scary sure, but we’re talking about 1 player, not wholesales changes to the lineup. In DS I trust.
Go Kings go! Go Gagne go!
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…feel bad for Brad. But our PP has been anemic. I like the move. didn’t play that well last game all things considered. Sutter sending a message–don’t feel good about yourselves
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In Sutter I Trust
May I ask that IF we lose we don’t condemn this move by Sutter and place blame on gags!
He will be ready, Sutter obviously has made sure of that.
He will probably switch the lines a little bit between 3 and 4.
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puck73 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@Lake Forest, Totally agree. NO WAY Sutter would play anyone at this point if he wasnt 100% convinced he could contribute. Sutter is a stickler for work ethic. If your not ready, your not playing.
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LA_1968 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@Lake Forest, Yes, In Coach Sutter we trust. He better stick around for many years btw. Last game was not good for our 4th line. We actually lost momentum when they got put in. Coach Sutter also said before game 2 that the 4th line (or whatever he called them) guys were fighting to stay in lineup.
1 + 1 = 12
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@Lake Forest,
The truth is, Sutter has not had to make major changes in the early rounds of the playoffs because things were running exceedingly well. In the last four games, the team has struggled a little even though they’ve found ways to win three of those games.
Since Sutter obviously thinks that Gags is ready, here’s a good opportunity to bring in an experienced scorer when one of the main things needed now is to score goals.
I joked in a prior thread that Gagne would be playing for the Kings….at Frozen Fury, but I also said before that that “if” he is somehow able to make it on the ice, he would potentially help the Kings.
In Sutter and Gagne I trust!
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I called Gagne playing in this series (to my wife) while we watched the Kings practice before this series started. He’s ready. He played in the last 2 Cup Finals before this one and he knows what it takes.
Adding a bonafide sniper to a 4th line that has already played some big, dominating minutes could pose another huge problem for a NJD that is already being stretched thin by our roster depth and the fatigue of having played a few more games than the Kings.
Let’s go Kings!
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Wow! If Gagne scores, Sutter is going to look like even more of a genuis than he does right now!
Honestly, I was thinking during the last game that Richardson was getting knocked around and looking overmatched at times. He may be exhausted and getting worn down.
In Sutter I Trust!
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I think one of the reasons why Gagne instead of Clifford is not just because of his offense but also because he knows the Devils well and Marty, moreso then Kyle. That could be a difference.
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puck73 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@Jeff_R, I think thats part of it. Also, his playoff resume with Tampa Bay and Philadelpia speaks for it self. He should also be very fresh for tonite !
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Well he will be the freshest player on the ice after the war both teams have been thru. I’ll go with Sutter on this one as Gagne is a veteran, Richie must be hurt and Clifford is the only minus player on the roster. No problem to put him out on one of the pp units.
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First line penner, brown, kopitar. Second line richards, gagne, carter. Put williams on either third or fourth line he’s a great 2 way grinder.
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Brandon Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
@FF, id put 1st line-brown,williams,kopitar, 2nd-gane, richards, carter (great chemistry) 3rd- penner, stoll, king 4th- Nolan,fraser,lewis
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I believe in Coach DS (Sutter) will get the team to play as always “Together”
Gage has been ace in hold waiting, (“Time’s Up”)
“You Want To Win Don’t You?”
Go Kings Go!
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Good for Gagne and good for Kings if he scores-but just when I was expecting richardson to slot one!I trust Daryl Sutter heaps so GO KINGS,GO!!!!
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Prices are going down steep on Ebay for today’s game! Section 117 was just sold for $549…
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Csaba Bhody, outstanding news! I’ll be able to get one when that first digit falls off!!!
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Adam Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
@Stuart, LOL
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Csaba Bhody Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
@Stuart, I’ll let you know if I see something around $50…lol
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@Csaba Bhody, let me know if you see 2! LMAO
I had just finished reading this quote:
”I think 5-on-5 and short-handed, we played really well, (but) the power play has got to be better,’
and was agreeing wholeheartedly …and then read it was a quote from Kovalchuk and I thought “well, it’s a universal problem.”
Then I read the news on Gagne and somehow maybe the two are related. I agree Richardson has been the weak link on the 4th line, so they have little to lose replacing him with Gagne, and also gain by having Gagne to play on the #2 PP unit.
GKG!
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Gegne will score…backdoor pass from someone and whack!!! In the net. Shattering the camera!
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@Jack,
… and simultaneously one of @DessertKings favorite contemporary expired equines!
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Gags was an obvious threat when he played in the playoffs with the Boltz. This move simply aggravates Deboer’s plan. Besides, we could use more scoring touch.
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i thinking put im on with carter and richards…they all have chemistry and just limit his ice time
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him*
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gags name will be on the cup if he plays one game in the finals.
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It has been widely reported (maybe from a common source) that Coach Darryl has been consulting intensively with contacts and colleagus from aroundhtmlfoot the league wrt trying to find any edge there was to beat the NJDs.
One of these gentlepeople was his newly reesteemed brother, ex-Coach Brent Sutter.
Maybe we will have two Sutters to thank if this encouragement came from him and it pays off for “The Mighty Kings”!!!
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Peter DeBoer must really be challenged to figure out how this will impact the game tonight.
He might say it doesn’t matter, we have to go out hard etc, but it does matter and he IS thinking about it.
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T-Minus Mark Hardy
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Real 7 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@vplaza, now T minus Rob Blake…
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Sutter must have had dinner at The Magic Castle last night.
This is about misdirection.
The Devils are already tinkering with their defense pairings.
The Devils already know we roll 4 lines.
Now we have Fraser’s Line, with a sniper on it.
So how do you defend that?
This is a chess match move.
So while deBoer is looking at Gags, I’m thinking King or Brown for the big plays tonight.
I can’t get a damn thing done today!
GKG
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jess Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@IceGuy,
That’s an interesting take.
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How can Gagne be put in when he doesn’t have a play-off beard? :-X
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bbb7 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@John Roy Morgan, Good point. I think Sasha Baron Cohen is done with his Dictator beard so….
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tellmeY Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@John Roy Morgan, he does have a playoff beard…
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The Questin is….Will Gagne retire after his names on the cup? Would free up cap space.
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I don’t think many here are questioning whether Gagne is in game shape. Sutter wouldn’t put him in if he wasn’t.
I welcome Gagne back, but IMO Sutter is probably being deceptive about the placement of Gagne, cause the 4th line for his style of play doesn’t seem to make much sense.
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@jess,
Our fourth line heavy forecheck has been withdrawn for this series.
They’re playing a more positional posture.
Gags fits right in there now.
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All this cup talk and whose name will be on
It and whose will not be on it is I think a
Little premature, we have two games we still
need to win before anyone’s name gets attached
to anything. Let’s focus on the task at hand,
Win two games! GO KINGS GO
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Het @Stuart, DS didn’t happen to drop by your place after Saturday’s game by any chance?
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Duncanz Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@DessertKing,,
There were no beers left, anyway..
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@Duncanz, roger that! and I didn’t even put the other 18-er in the fridge…
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@DesertKing, I thought I saw him… but my vision was a little blurred!
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Kingsfanone Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
@Stuart,
What? Did Sutter blend in with your couch cuz he was wearing that brown plaid jacket?
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
@Kingsfanone, bwahahahahahahaha!!!
What is with the love affair with Gagne. He hasn’t done a thing with the Kings even when he was healthy.
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FiG17 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@Cunning Plan,
To be fair, that was under Murray when he was probably expected to be much more defensively responsible. Sutter gives them more freedom to be aggressively offensive, so that could be a difference. High caliber forwards coming in always seemed to struggle in the beginning with Murray’s system.
Besides, Gagne in the playoffs does not equal Gagne in regular season.
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Hipcheck Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@Cunning Plan, really? He was scoring at a .5 pts per game clip under murray’s system. Over the full season would have been roughly 40 pts…good enough for 5th overall in team scoring. Also not out of the question to think his scoring rate would have gone up under Sutter.
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Long time to not be in a game… let see what the man is made of, as it could cost us the game…
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This thread is really blowing up …
Jeez, BOOM!
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At the very least, both teams have rosters full of bruised and banged guys. If he’s at 100%, having a fresh guy with that much skill could be a huge advantage. It’ll just come down to how rusty he is.
I feel bad for Richie, though. I have such a soft spot for the guy. :/
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Kingsfanone Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@FiG17,
Wait……..you and………..Richie?
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FiG17 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@Kingsfanone,
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Ticketmaster just reopened the ticket page for tonight’s game. With a little patience and persistence you might find a release or two for tonight and get in.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@Capt Jam,
Unfortunately, I don’t have a spare $1000 lying around…….
sigh!
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Gagne is just decoy and won’t play tonight.
Gagne will play tonight and have either a good or bad game
Gagne will play either 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th line, with or without PP/PK.
Now I can later say “I called it” later.
Oh yeah… Mark my words.
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@LA_1968, LMAO!! spoken like an Insider veteran!
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Been expecting this since DS said “you either lie or you say nothing,” when asked if Gagne would see any time. If it was for the name on the cup, it’d be in game four with a 3-0 lead, but I don’t think DS would ever make that move. That’s a sentimental move, and DS has his sentiment on hold until he hoists the Cup.
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@todd, yes, that quote stuck out that night!
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WHATTTT!!!!!!!!! This is absolutely AWESOME! Put Kopidor and Brad Doty and Gagme on the same line!
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Does anyone remember how well it worked out for Vancouver when they brought in a certain player (one of the twins I believe) and how that player had a great game and gave the Kings one of their few losses in the playoffs. If Gagne still has the moves like he had on the beautiful goal in the first home game this could be a great move!
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Kenny44 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@IceMonkey77,
He’s got the moves like Gagne!
(sorry)
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Kings x Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@IceMonkey77, On the pp btw
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And now the Ace comes out of the sleeve. I can just see Darryl at the card table.
Ain’t that a daisy!
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vplaza Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
@Kenny44,
Or Doc Holliday saying “I’m your huckleberry.”
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I bet he goes straight onto the second PP unit. Stoll, Williams and Brown have got absolutely no zone time for three series now. They haven’t come close to scoring.
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Kenny44 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@ViperHockey, That is not a PP unit – it’s just the scraps who didn’t make the first unit. For it to go on like that so long is a damn shame.
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Wearing my lucky Brown tshirt today!
As i have during all the Kings wins!
Feelin good about today!
Glad Gags is in!
GO KING GO!
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Capt Jam Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@Mars,
I really hope your lucky brown shirt wasn’t a lucky white shirt originally.
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I hope that Gagne, being somewhat of an “x-factor” due to the prolonged absence, will make NJ a little edgy.
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Scott Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@Robert R, I think being down 2-0 with only 2 flukey goals so far in the series is enough to make NJ “a little edgy.”
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I think I’m gonna be sick….I DO NOT like the idea of messing with line chemistry at this point, experience or not.
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elijah Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@Meg Jarrell, ssshhhhh it’s gonna be ok, remember all the things we have questioned through the year and how they have all pulled together for the stars to line up. in sutter we trust.
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if theres ever a “good” time to try something, it is right now. sutter has been making great decisions to get the team this far, and if he feels this is a good fit than he is probably right. in sutter we trust. but i am super happy for gagne
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Gagne gets payed $7 million for a reason…if he’s healthy he should play! Good Luck! Play Hard! GKG!
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I’d much rather see Gagne on the 3rd line with King and Stoll than the 4th with Fraser and Nolan.
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Pasadena Hockey Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@Scott, I agree with you and keeping it simple on the 4th line. I would go with Clifford, but we could easily be down 0-2 in this series.
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Wow! I never saw that coming.
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I freaked out at first too, but this Gagne move is actually freaking genius.
First, it’s logical. Gagne’s got 105 playoff games under his belt, 37 goals, 22 assists, 11 power play goals. A point every 2 games, a goal every 3. He’s been in the finals a few times, and it’s not his first rodeo.
THEN there’s psychological warfare. The Kings are 14-2, they are 4-0 in OT, even with their power play absolutely being terrible. And yet this whole time they’ve had a 40 goal scorer riding the bench and are about to unleash him. If you don’t think that’ will get in the heads of the Devils, you aren’t thinking straight. A behemoth has yet another trick up their sleeve.
It’s not quite the Sedin return in the Cansuck series, but it’s giving the Kings ANOTHER powerful storyline. Between Gretzk dropping the puck, the Kings trying to keep their 3-0 in every series streak alive, and the return of Gagne, the ROOF IS GOING TO BLOW OFF STAPLES.
And this little nugget is pretty awesome too:
After defeating the second-seeded New Jersey Devils in the opening round of the 2010 playoffs, in which Gagné was injured, the Flyers met the Boston Bruins in the second round. After going down 3–0 in the series without Simon Gagné, the alternate captain returned for Game 4. He scored the game-winning goal in overtime, and chipped in two goals in Game 5. After the Flyers became just the sixth team to force a game seven after being down 3-0, Gagné scored the series-winning goal in the third period of Game 7 to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals.
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I bet Jersey fans are all saying oh crap, I forgot about this guy.
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Wow! That came out of left field, oh wait, this isn’t baseball..
Ok makes me a bit nervous changing anything right now but I understand the decision due to our PP woes.
May Gagne skate with all the skill he posses tonight and make Sutter’s decision look brilliant.
Sorry Brad, I feel for ya.
Kings for the win!
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PW Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@KFII, I don’t think the powerplay is the reason. I think BR is injured or maybe they want to get Gagne on the cup.
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He’s gonna come with something to prove. I like it. Go Kings
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Please everyone who is saying “this is to get Gagne’s name on the cup” give the King’s some credit, it’s insulting to think a professional organization on the cusp of it’s greatest achievement is going to play elementary school games with its future. That is the very last reason they would do this. They are professionals and btw we have 2 games left to win before we think about who the heck gets engraved.
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Hipcheck Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
@gretzkymademesayit, Agreed totally. Its not like Gagne is some schlub. I can understand the argument of wanting Clifford in the lineup, but to badmouth Gagne over Richardson is comical.
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i think it’s a curious move, but we need help on our pp…so maybe gagne play about 10-14 minutes and get pp2 time…
anxious to see how he’s skating…
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The last thing you insider arm chair coaches should be doing right now is second guessing DS or this team. Believe!!!!
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I like this move…maybe will give our PP a different look.
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THIS IS THE BIGGEST LOAD OF CRAP THE KINGS MANAGEMENT HAVE EVER PULLED….
THE ONLY REASON HE IS PLAYING IS THE “WHINNER” IS WANTING HIS NAME ON THE CUP AND AT HIS CONTRACT PRICE WHY NOT SAYS MANAGEMENT. BULL CRAP…….
THIS GUY HAS DONE NOTHING TO PUT THE TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS AND CERTAINLY NOTHING TO GET THEM HERE TONIGHT.
THIS SHOWS SUTTERS REAL SAY FROM THE BENCH LEVEL, WE’LL CHANGE NOTHING, HA…..
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Stuart Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
@Harty, you are so off base with this post! I’m surprised it’s still allowed to be up.
I expected better of you…
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SLIM Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
@Stuart,
I agree with the boozed up one…You
This post is very immature…
You can be better..
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Wonton28 Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
@Harty,
You’re not a hockey fan. You just hopped on the bandwagon. Enjoy the ride. We will see you next year’s playoff threads.
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Harty Reply:
June 5th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
@Wonton28, don’t think so I have over 500 blogs invested in two years on the site, but thanks.
to suggest I’m not a fan based on my sensible comments oh boy……..
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I love this move the more I think about it. Its unpredictable and crafty. You are up 2 games but clearly the pendulum was starting to swing for NJ in the last game. DS can see where the ship was heading, so he is adjusting course way before the series goes 2-2.
TM would have done all the “safer” things that some folks are suggesting – 1. Not change or 2. put in Clifford.
DS is going aggressively for the win, just like he expects the players to. I love this move.
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JW looked great his first game back, he had half a shoulder and still took what he could! Gagne will come out with fire in limited minutes. He’s a highly skilled player that could really help the PP.
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Well, I’d say this is pretty shocking for all of us. Just about a month ago when asked Sutter didn’t know which continent Gagne was in. Good luck Gags!
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Gagne is one of the great clutch performers of recent years. Those who don’t want him to play don’t know hockey.
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Could this be Darryl’s “McSorley Moment?” Though I am hopeful and confident that there will be no adverse effects to this decision? This is such a gut check move. I’ve got to believe that the design is to force The Devils to make adjustments on top of the ones they already desperately need to make.
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I like the move….low risk high reward. On the PP he may bring a missing element. On the 4th line he will bring some experience. Heck, if he can dump it in or at least get the shot on goal it will be a win/win. We talked about Richardson being a weak link last game so I like the move. Provide some vet presence with Nolan and spell one of our skilled guys for our nonexistant PP. Gagne is nails in post season play and has a lot of experience playing against the Devils.
Once again…low risk, high reward and maybe the move that will be the back breaker.
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I think most people forgot who Gagne is. Former 1st Rd. Pick, 2 time 40+ goals, 2 time 30+ goals, + on +/-, 12 points last year in the playoffs, 9 goals with the Flyers on their run of 2010. Yes, I pulled up his stats but I will take 75% Gagne over 100% Richardson. Hell, Gagne is probably close to 100% or else what they hell would he come in? Especially now?
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His presence on the lineup just gives the Devils more things to worry about. I predict he’ll be nervouse for a couple shifts, but his 100 Plus play-offs game will come to him(MENTALLY). Kinda like riding a bike. Yoy physically know how to do it but mentally you also will have the memory of the “feeling” of riding the bike.
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