Per reports in the San Jose Mercury News and on Yahoo Sports, San Jose’s Ryane Clowe will not face any supplemental discipline for interfering with play from the bench last night. The Mercury News also noted that there isn’t expected to be any supplemental discipline for any of the hits in last night’s game, including those by Kyle Clifford and Colin Fraser.
It’s interesting to note the number of fans, and even reporters, who have drawn parallels between the Clowe incident and the clock incident at Staples Center, as though one would excuse the other. At the risk of beating a dead horse, that once again indicates what an awful job the league has done in explaining the clock incident. Gary Bettman, on his TV/radio show yesterday, was asked directly about the incident — by a blog reader, no less — and basically said the league has no idea what happened that night. Bettman did, however, toss out the little nugget that the clock operator from that night is no longer working the clock at Staples Center. Why didn’t Bettman note that the operator is a league employee? And why even bring it up, unless there’s a shred of evidence of wrongdoing? That was very poor. So, the point is, it’s difficult to blame people who will draw parallels, given that the league can’t — or won’t — give a coherent explanation.
Bad day for the league.
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Team S Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@DBking, Totally Agree!
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dcaps55 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
@DBking, Extremely well put. Players may as well start reaching sticks onto the ice at will…
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Anjin Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@DBking, This action is now officially NHL approved!
Way to go, Bettman. If you weren’t a joke before you sure are now.
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IceGuy Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@Anjin,
So, president has been set by the NHL:
If a penalty is NOT called on the ice – THERE CAN BE NO FURTHER REVIEW.
If you Tomahawk a guy over the head with your stick, potentially causing injury, and it is not called on the ice, there can be no supplemental discipline by Shanny.
If you spear a guy in the face, potentially causing injury, and it’s not called on the ice, there can be no supplemental discipline handed out by the NHL.
If you are sitting on the bench, and you shove your stick into a passing opponent’s face, potentially causing injury, and it is not called on the ice, there can be no supplemental discipline by Campbell or Bettman.
You can bet pennies to pancakes, every player in the League will henceforth use this defense when “supplemental discipline” is levied against them. And legally, they have the justification.
And another point to all this, what about the money involved?
Some GM is gonna be really P.O.’d!
As a direct result of Clowe’s action, one team, the Kings or Sharks, stand to loose, what, a MIllion Dollars or so? How? Home Ice Advantage. Potential for 4 home game in Round One of the Playoffs rather than 3. One team will lose ticket sales. One team loses TV revenue. Support personnel at one arena lose a potential day’s paycheck. Arena concessionaires loose a game’s worth of sales. Hotels? Restaurants? Airlines for fan travel? Taxes? It goes on and on.
Perhaps some brave soul may well file a class action suit. Perhaps that might get Bettman’s and the NHL’s attention.
DBking, not a Bad Day, it’s a BLACK DAY for the NHL.
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I find it difficult to watch hockey anymore with such poor officiating.
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FaceWash Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@Seanyboy, ditto.
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If you can’t beat them, join them. Or at least sign them. Sign Clowe this summer.
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KingsGuy Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Will Hutchison,
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Will Hutchison,
So if the Kings are up 2-0 with a minute to go, is it OK if a Kings player breaks up a play from the bench? It’ll only be a minor penalty……
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@FKA PakiFro, Or better yet, if they’re leading by a goal, with 30 seconds to go, they should go ahead and throw their stick at a guy who’s on a breakaway.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
That’d end up being a penalty shot so I wouldn’t encourage that.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
They should be obligated to “not see” it.
Will Hutchison Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Throw a guy at the guy who’s on the breakaway!
Have an “assistant coach” perch on the boards like a seagull, and launch at dudes on breakaways, parkour style. Two minute minor, and only if the officials catch it.
FaceWash Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@FKA PakiFro, oh I would… League can’t impose a harsh penalty since they’ve set a precident… if there’s a scoring chance…do it. our PK is terrific (except last night).
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Will Hutchison Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@FKA PakiFro,
Yes indeed. It’s only a minor penalty if the on ice officials see it happen. All teams should do it, because it’s okay.
All players should dive head first into the boards when an opponent bumps them a bit from behind, like rat-faced Couture did in last night’s game, that’s okay too. Although, it’s probably much easier to throw yourself face first into the boards when you already look like you’ve been thrown face first into the boards a few times.
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KingsNewsDaily (formerly wavesinair) Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@Will Hutchison,
I have to agree with col king fan who said, ‘I’d rather lose like a King than win like a Shark’
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dcaps55 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:03 am
@KingsNewsDaily (formerly wavesinair), Amen
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KingFanatic08 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
@dcaps55, +1
Matt E. Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
@KingsNewsDaily (formerly wavesinair),
+1000
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King Alex Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
@Will Hutchison, I would drop my season ticket plan if the Kings brought in this buffon. He has no integrity, no class and no character. This man is a cheater and a liar to boot. I could care less if he scored 100 goals a season. He should never wear the crown & shield!!!
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Deeker Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
@King Alex,
Also he is a Newfie!
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Will Hutchison Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
@King Alex,
Buffon is one of the best soccer goalies in the world! I’m not sure how he could help the Kings though.
Sign Clowe the buffoon with the money the team saves after buying out Gagne, and let Penner and Stoll walk.
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alex11 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@Will Hutchison, I hate Clowe but would love him on our team he is going to expect a raise.
King Alex Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
@Will Hutchison, I could care less about soccer & my uncle coached the German National Team prior to his passing. I want nothing to do with any player who disgraces himself, the league or the game as Clowe did. Apparantely, you do not feel the same way & would be willing to watch, root for and help pay the salary of such bottom feeding players. I am really happy DL is our GM because there is know way DL signs that POS.
Eric K Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
@Will Hutchison, Haha, excellent. I think every team could use a Gianluigi.
Play Bernier
Quick aka Nabokov 2.0 choked in a big game……….again
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YuriM Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:50 am
@Paul G, Poorman is that you?
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Paul G Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@YuriM, Are we really going to go through this again? LOL no
There is a rather large but still quiet/underground part of the LA Kings fan base that still believes long-term JB is the man (mainly because of Quick’s poor playoff and end season play year after year
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@Paul G, Yeah, and they ignore shutouts, 1-goal games, and all sorts of rational reasons why they’re hallucinating.
Belexes Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am
@Paul G,
” There is a rather large but still quiet/underground part of the LA Kings fan base that still believes long-term JB is the man ”
…meaning you and @Poorman?
FKA PakiFro Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Paul G,
I thought it. You said it.
To be sure, Quick certainly has earned a chance at redemption.
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Kevin Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@Paul G,
Hey look, Poorman is back!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@Kevin, lol agreed he is back
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@Paul G, My God! Some people will latch onto anything that serves their agenda!
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Paul G Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
How good was Quick after playing only 40-something games in the league? Not that good
Bernier has only played a bit…imagine what he will be like once he’s hit Quick’s number of GP. Management has to let this kid develop.
Bernier 40 games into his career is hands down better than Quick 40 games into his career
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vplaza Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:03 am
@Paul G,
Holy smokes, it is Poorman.
vplaza Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Paul G,
LOL, the first 42 games in JB’s career: 20-17-0-5. The first 43 games for JQ’s career: 22-20-0-2.
Yeah, right, JB is hands down better 40 games into his career.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
@Paul G, You don’t get it do you? Quick is the STARTER. It’s the end of the season. You don’t change your starter at the end of the season unless he’s injured. NEXT PRESEASON is Bernier’s chance. NOT NOW. I said exactly the same thing to the Quick haters at the end of last season, for the same reason.
Paul G Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
@Paul G, @vplaza Ws only mean goal support…I’m talking GAA
At the end of the day Dean sees the same thing….why else would he keep Bernier? Call him a “core player”?
Quick is ONLY starting this post-season as his last chance to shine when it matters after stinking like a rookie against Vancouver and stinking like a bad-positioning goalie against SJ
vplaza Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@Paul G,
Keep trying…JB’s GAA in his first 42 games: 2.50. Save %: .910
JQ’s GAA in his first 43 games: 2.48. Save %: .914
JB’s still hands down better through the first part of his career, eh?
vplaza Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@Paul G,
Oh, and why else would DL keep JB? How about each team needs a good backup? Ever hear that reason? Or do you believe that every GM keeps their backups because they think their backup is the next coming?
The Batman Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@Paul G, welcome back poorman!
King Alex Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:16 am
@Paul G, How’s life under the bridge. I loved you in the movie TROLL.
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lvkingaholic Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@King Alex, this guy put me on moderation for six months………. gotta watch what i say…… can really get under your skin if you let him…..
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vplaza Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Paul G,
I’m waiting for the still quiet/underground to jump in here in support of Poorman…err…Paul G.
Quick had a bad game. The Kings PK played a bad game. Too bad because they played well on the PP and scored enough goals that they would have normally won with.
But to throw Quick under the bus in favor of Bernier at this point? Really?
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Careful Rich, you might get hit with a $10,000 fine for those words.
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KingsNewsDaily (formerly wavesinair) Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
@FKA PakiFro,
Interesting question actually. At first I thought, ‘that’s a silly thing to say.’ But you’re right. Because Rich is an employee of the Kings, wouldn’t it be at least possible for the league to fine him, even though he’s a reporter? Maybe not in this particular instance, but it does raise an interesting point about team reporters.
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EricC Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@FKA PakiFro, If Rich Hammond gets fined for this comment, I think we should raise the money and then pay Bettman in pennies.
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If he plays from the bench, can we add that statistic as it wont count as TOI..
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Wow…and, sadly for that question of integrity, there would be just about no excuse for the Kings NOT to try, intentionally, to do the same thing to a Shark player carrying the puck near the bench tomorrow night. In my (depressed) opinion, if the league will not level the playing surface, the team that got ripped off must do it themselves and dare the league to have no reaction…even if we serve a two-minute minor for it.
Insupportable. For the first time I’m rooting for another lockout. The NHL deserves it.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@Mel Powell, Of course, they’ll come down like load of bricks if the Kings do it and they’ll use some novel excuse as to how it’s different. For example, there could be “intent to injure.”
I am just shocked, however, that they could imagine doing nothing. Leaving the Kings and Sharks aside, what it says is “we’re not going to do anything about this unless it becomes a trend.” They’re basically inviting it to happen maybe half a dozen times over the next year or two and become a problem (for them) before they do anything about it.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Totally agree. It really isnt a Sharks or Kings thing. Its the fact that this sort of thing cant be tolerated…ever.
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dcaps55 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@puck73, Exactly. Shocking that the organization doesn’t at least get a public reprimand from the league. At a minimum, a fine and reprimand. Some kind of bench minor.
40YearKingsFan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@puck73, A game for cheating and a game for lying about it afterward would serve the league well and that’s not because he did it against the Kings. I would support Bettmen or the league making a statement like that regardless who did it. You’re right, it can’t ever be tolerated.
Bettman is a joke.
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Alex Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@dabronx, That’s exactly right. It’s why he gets booed at every public appearance. The league has a great product on the ice, it’s a shame that they can’t get out of their own way off of the ice. Don Fehr is going to own Bettman. Hopefully it won’t lead to a lockout, but one can hope it will lead to the end of the ridiculous Bettman era.
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dabronx Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Alex,
Its long been time for him to disappear. The man has no soul and I bet he cant see his reflection in the mirror.
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Anjin Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@Alex, I think it will lead to a lockout.
Bettman thinks he can play hardball with the NHLPA and it’s not going to work.
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@dabronx, agreed.
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kingrussell Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@dabronx, Agreed. This is why the NHL is not treated seriously by non hockey fanatics. The league is a joke and Bettman is a joke.
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So, in the third period tomorrow night, everyone on the bench sticks their sticks out on the ice when San Jose players skate by. That’s the only way for the league to learn. The league doesn’t handle things like this very well, and this looks like yet another such issue in a long list.
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mask0425x Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Better yet, next time Clowe is fighting near the bench, someone should lend our guy… uhhmm.. a lending stick.
Interestingly enough, and I have not seen anyone mention yet, the clock stopped again for about a second right after the Clowe incident. Watch the replay and it appears that someone attempted to stop the clock expecting a whistle (DUH!!!), nothing happened and they turned it back on…
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kingrussell Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@mask0425x, Better yet rap a stick around his neck so he can’t make those smug postgame comments.
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mask0425x Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@kingrussell,
I wanted to say something along those lines but did not want to be moderated
I do believe his ugly noggin represents a wonderful bull’s eye. Also would not mind to see Clowe or any other Shark being mysteriously sucked into the Kings bench (and let your imagination complete the scenario). If it’s OK by the NHL, why not?
Absolute joke, goes directly to the integrity of the game. It shouldn’t matter if the specific rule wasn’t applied at the time. Actions detrimental to the integrity of the game must be punished.
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Mucker Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@prlandra, Spot on the money! Where is the NHL if the rules are not enforced? Clowe cheated AND lied about it afterward. The SJ press excused it away as ‘just a minor infraction’, ignoring the fact that the Kings scored 4 power play goals, and the league ignores it. What does that tell the fans? Go screw yourself! Time for Bettman to go….
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kingrussell Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am
@prlandra, Integrity? This is the NHL you’re talking about. What integrity?
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Bettman saying that the league “Has no idea what happenned” is very easy for me to believe. Incompetence…
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kingrussell Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@Belexes, That statement could apply to just about everything.
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I dont really care about the Clowe thing. What is important is that the boys regroup and take it to the Sharks tomorrow. I fully expect Phoenix to lose one of their remaining two, so taking the Pacific crown from them in their own barn will be perfect revenge.
I’m also not particularly worried who we play in round one. We were 3-1-0 with St Louis, 2-2-0 with Vanc, 3-1-0 with Chicago, so the way the team is playing we have a good shot against anyone.
I’m just hoping Carter is 90% by Wednesday and the team gets back to playing THEIR game tomorrow, win or lose.
GKG!
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Sugar Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@bbb7, I would not want to play vancouver right now, no team should…
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lowegirl Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
@bbb7,
How can you not care? That was a breach of player conduct, at the very least. I would be mortified if it had been a Kings player.
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bbb7 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
@lowegirl, What I mean is the refs missed it, it might have changed the game outcome and it was a juvenile thing to do but it’s over. Nothing can be done now.
I was at the game Jim Fox mentioned where Tony Granato jumped off the bench to check a guy who was breaking into the Kings zone along the boards.. it was crazy (and, yes, he got penalized for too many men on the ice) but that was the end of it. No one called for his suspension.
Move on.
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Greater reason to win on SATURDAY.
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Kopi 1 goal from benche tomorow.
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Wow. What a disgrace and a wuss Bettman is. This opens a can of worms for other teams to do similar acts when the time calls for it.
Nice going Gary Bettman. Now all the people who only care about the Lakers around here are laughing at the NHL and saying once again…ah, who cares about hockey.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@puck73, Yup. That’s the real concern.
A lot of arguments can be made that the Kings lost for various reasons, etc., but the real concern is the league waiting for this sort of cheating to become a trend and changing a lot of outcomes before they do anything about it. Because of the nature of the cheating, it won’t happen three times next week, or anything like that. It’ll just happen occasionally, affecting outcomes of important games here and there. It’s shameful, and it makes the NHL look like the WWF if they don’t handle something like this immediately (even if handling it doesn’t directly benefit the Kings–like just a big fine for Clowe.)
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BigSeeGas Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
@puck73, I’m shocked! I really felt like he was going to step up! Especially for something so obvious. A fine at least but suspended for Saturdays game would have been what i was hoping for. Let’s rally the troops and head out to San Jose this saturday. I’ll rent the kidnap van and we can fill it with hardcore fans from this blog.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@BigSeeGas, The last time anybody used a rented van around here was when Dean Lombardi threw a black hood over Ethan Moreau’s head and threw him in the back of a white van with no windows and had him driven as far away from Terry Murray as he possibly could!
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kingrussell Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@puck73, At least we made the WWF playoffs err I mean NHL playoffs.
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unbelievable. Can you imagine this happening in any other sport? It would be a top story on ESPN. If a player on the sidelines of a football game tackled a player? If a basketball player tried to stop a player from making a basket? This is outrageous I understand he did barely touch the puck but the fact someone does this is dispicable. And no punishment? UNREAL
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Alex Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
@JG, It did happen. The Jets special teams coach and a few players formed a wall on the sideline and took out an opposing player. All were suspended. Hard to talk why one league is the most successful sport league on the planet and the other is the (distant) 4th major professional sport.
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kingrussell Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@Alex, Exactly.
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@JG, YUP there would be some stupid Yahoo! headline saying “NFL becoming the WWF??” but when its in the NHL West, one one knows/cares. this is ridiculous. At the very least, Clowe has karma coming against him/the sharts.
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oh well it over and done with..Win tomorrow and we will all be laughing at the cheater chokers in the NHL.
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BigSeeGas Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@KingsFanFTW, Agreed!
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So the league’s message is if you cheat and don’t get caught nothing is going to happen to you.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:03 am
@Maury, I think you pretty much nailed it on the head Maury.
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jonsey Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:03 am
@Maury, What if no one saw you spear someone? No penalty? What if they say sloppy seconds was said in an interview outside a game? Fines?
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GARY BETTMAN SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.The non call in the Kings/Sharks game last night on Ryan Clowe cannot go unpunished.It was a blantant plenalty and affected the outcome of the game.I have lost all faith in the officials in the NHL,they are a F…ING JOKE.The NHL has the worst officials in professional sports and are a disgrace to the game.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
@luckyluc13, Frankly, I think someone should hurt Clowe, if the league won’t handle it.
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dMan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, really, dude?
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i kind of mentioned this in the last post thread, but will expand on it a bit here in case some didn’t see. i understand that the rule book already says its just a minor penalty, but this can be a bit of a slippery slope. what if a guy jumps onto the ice while the opposing team is trying to shoot at an empty net and stops the puck from going in? is that just a minor penalty? lets take it a step further…clowe brings a whistle onto the bench and blows the play dead during an odd man rush against the sharks? my point is, where do you draw the line between a minor penalty (which is essentially “cheating”), and something that is more serious?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
@blahblah, I think the intent of the rule is incidental contact with the puck. I’m pretty sure deliberate contact with the puck falls under “conduct” rules which go much further. However, the Great Bettman would seem to have his own spin.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:05 am
@blahblah, When things of an unethical nature occur in any sport, it needs to be dealt with in the most severe terms. IMO, The Sharks should have had to forfeit the game, that would send a strong enough message to anyone who is thinking about cheating.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@puck73, If they were consistent, which they’re not, I’d find a forfeit completely fair.
Frankly, I’d put it in the rule book: “if a player is found to have deliberately committed an illegal act in such a way that it could encourage repeat occurrences of the same act to the detriment of the game, the commissioner may, at his discretion, determine that the offending player’s team forfeits the game.”
Something along those lines should cover it satisfactorily for the future, and a footnote could include this incident. I’m of the opinion, though, that Bettman wouldn’t have the balls to use the rule in the future. What’s more, a “softer” version of the rule is apparently necessary to “allow” supplemental discipline to be handed out to a player who deliberately violates a rule and is not penalized by the officials (which I don’t personally believe, but Wyshnisky does.)
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IceGuy Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
NHL Rule Book:
28.1 Supplementary Discipline – In addition to the automatic fines and suspensions imposed under these rules, the Commissioner may, at his discretion, investigate any incident that occurs in connection with any Pre-season, Exhibition, League or Playoff game and may assess additional fines and/or suspensions for any offense committed during the course of a game or any aftermath thereof by a player, goalkeeper, Trainer, Manager, Coach or non-playing Club personnel or Club executive, whether or not such offense has been penalized by the Referee.
There you go, “whether or not such offense has been penalized by the Referee”. Right there in the NHL Rule Book. Bettman, Campbell and Clowe have combined actions to make the NHL a joke entertainment venue – certainly not a professional sport.
SpencerMaze Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
@puck73, i totally agree. Why is Bettman do spineless? A forfeiture would have certainly sent a crystal clear message to the players. There is zero accountability when it comes to the code of conduct in the league right now!
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Before warmups end Kings should go to bench and all put their sticks on the ice evwdy fi
E Clowe gets near
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The analogy I can think of is a player does something out of turn.
So Clowe puts his stick out on the ice, potentially being a dangerous play.
Ok
So Sean Avery shoots the puck intentionally after a whistle at a player other than the goalie (I don’t think he did this)
Each of these is not appropriate and potentially dangerous.
Let’s say the officials see neither.
Would the NHL have fined Avery? (regardless of the outcome)
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:05 am
@jonsey, What did they do about Avery standing in front of the goaltender waving his arms? (Which I’m not sure should even be a discipline issue unless they find a way to word that as a rule.)
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:06 am
To further explain, something more similar would be sitting on the bench shining a laser pointer in the goaltender’s eyes.
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I can see the news headlines in big bold print on the front page of the sports section…NHL condones blatant cheating!
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Can you imagine. Jon Bernier from the bench stops the puck and shoots it on goal, hahaha 2 min Penalty to back up goalie. hahahahaha
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The reason so many people are raging over it is because it utterly and completely undermines the integrity of this game we have all come to love. If blatant cheating will be tolerated and officials can walk away with the excuse that they “didn’t see it” (which has been thrown around quite frequently this season) it makes hockey look like a joke.
I just don’t understand how four officials missed that. It was a power play rush, and all four of the refs weren’t watching the play? I think THAT should be reviewed.
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Will Stecher Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
@Seanyboy,
I find it absolutely amazing that both refs and both linesmen were not watching the guy with the puck (Stoll). How can nobody be watching the player with the puck?
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The NFL Commish banishes a Head Coach for a year. The NHL Commish has no idea what’s going on. Can the NHL borrow Roger Goodell for 2 years?
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Voice Of Reason, Roger Goodell is awesome! He reminds me of when Faye Vincent was the commisioner of MLB…a guy that doesnt put up with BS !
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colo king fan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
@puck73,
Agree 100 percent. There’s a good reason the NFL is as popular and makes as much money as it does… cause bush league horse puckey (no pun intended ; )) like that would never go unpunished.
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Once again Bettman dispoints
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KingsRockLA Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
“Disappoints”
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I don’t know how many of you guys saw ‘The Ides of March’ (movie).. there’s a line in it about how “democrats (might have been repubs or whatever, not the point) can’t win until they’re willing to roll around in the mud with the pigs.” I can’t stop thinking about how relevant that is… if the league won’t give the Kings justice, I guess they’ll just have to take justice for themselves… by stomping the crap out of those cheating scumbags in their own building.
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u know what tomorrow game all the kings player on the bench should put their stick on the ice when the sharks skates by and hit the puck…
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Well, what did we expect from a league that allows Todd Bertuzzi to play? Nuff said……………
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colo king fan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
@DesertKing,
+1
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@DesertKing, Cmon D king! This is a mans sport! Whatever it takes, and whatever you can get away with, right?
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DesertKing Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@puck73,
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BigSeeGas Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@DesertKing, Seriously!!!!! That is a freaking joke!
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seanster48 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
@DesertKing, AGREED 100%
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Will Hutchison Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:15 am
@DesertKing, Good point. That should have been a life-time ban for driving Moore’s head into the ice from behind.
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lowegirl Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@DesertKing,
Well said.
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What if a player held another player from the bench? Or held his stick? Or punched a player? Or threw a puck out?
The end of the game is the Kings lose. At that point the Kings were winning.
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Very slippery slope. For those who follow closely, the Kings have been hosed several times on missed video reviews (Hanzal’s high stick last year, Smyth’s last second goal in Ottawa) in Toronto, which caused Lombardi’s $50,000 tirade.
Regarding the clock incident, the Blue Jackets put themselves in a compromised position by taking a penalty with under two minutes. Players play to the whistle and the Kings we ultimately rewarded for outplaying the Jackets. This takes into assumption the the clock malfunctioned; Lombardi’s coloumbs hypothesis after speaking to the clock manufacturer has never been disproven, so it’s at best inconclusive. Worst result is that the game goes into OT where the Kings’ powerplay carries over and have a chance to collect the extra point anyhow.
Clowe’s act as a means of justification for the Columbus game is a total red herring. It’s excusing an indefensible act – there’s clear video evidence, then he lies about it with a smirk on his face after the game. He’s a goon and I hope the Kings in an act of solidarity, all attempt to disrupt a play of his near the boards. Refs can’t put the whole team in the box.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
@He Shoots, He Scores, From a moral standpoint, it’s completely horrifying. It’s an “ends justify the means” thing. It doesn’t matter that the Kings had no involvement in the clock “incident” and no one explains what really happens (and can be shown to have happened all over the place since.) It doesn’t matter that what Clowe did was DELIBERATE? It obviously does, and that’s the moral issue and why the league can’t sit on their hands when this takes place.
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Why all the concern? He said he didn’t do it. An upstanding guy like Clowe. I believe him…NOT!
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This reminds me so much of the Maradona’s “Hand of God”. That is the only fair comparison I can think of. People need to get of the “clock incident”. The players on the ice had no play in the clock getting stuck in a time paradox. In this case, Clowe deliberately interfered with play.
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Steve W Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
@Seattle757, You can add Tierry Henry ansd Thorsten Frings to that list.
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Steve W Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
@Steve W, Along with Brett Hull.
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“Per reports in the San Jose Mercury News and on Yahoo Sports, San Jose’s Ryane Clowe will not face any supplemental discipline for interfering with play from the bench last night”
Won’t believe a thing until I hear it from Shanny himself. (Or not hear it from Shanny, if the case may be)
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I still don’t understand how the nearest linesman didn’t see it. It happened to the PUCK CARRIER! It’s not something that happened away from the play. All eyes were on Stoll going up the wing. What on earth were all 4 officials looking at?
The linesman must have seen it. I thought the refs could confer with then linesman on matters like this. So ridiculous.
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KingsFan79 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@bitter, I absolutely agree. Wasn’t there any official paying attention to where the puck ACTUALLY was? Incompetence. Highlight of the game “Ref! You Suck!” chant.
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DesertKing Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@bitter,
Very pretty girl, section 107, row 2, seat 4. Just guessing since I was at home.
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I’d like to ee the league award a goal to the opposing team for any deliberate interference from the bench. The problem is the 4 blind mice didn’t see the play.
I don’t believe suspending a player when his actions were not intent to cause injury and no injury occured.
Should the league start suspending players who dive? It’s cheating!
Of course Brownie would be geting suspended quite often.
I think the only discipline should be given to the on ice officials who slept thru the game.
As far as the commissioner…I have no use for that man…I once heard a caller call into his show upset over the fact that he has the Centre Ice package and his cable provider which is cablevision (same as mine
) He was upset that cabelvision refuses to show the games in HD..his repsonse was too bad get another cvable provider.
Bettman didn’t bother to mention that the owner of cablevision is Dolan who also owns the Rangers..
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@nykingfan, Thats the way I feel as well. Either a goal should be awarded, or the team has to forfeit the game. That will send a very strong message to anyone who is thinking about cheating like that.
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Rich, IMHO, the fact that GB is choosing to do nothing regarding the blatant unsportsmanlike (i. e. cheating) act by Clowe just proves what a spineless commissioner we currently have “running” the league. The actions of Clowe are disgraceful and the fact that he will not be held accountable in any way makes it even more infuriating. What is Bettman saying to the players, fans, refs, owners, etc you ask? He’s saying that there is nothing wrong with the horrible officiating and that’s it ok to mess with the integrity of the game. Because that’s exactly what happened last night. He directly altered the outcome of the game by doing what he did. Bettman is telling everyone that a cowardly act like playing the puck from the bench is totally acceptable. Yes, I’m mad as hell. I don’t like the spirit of the game being mocked by players like Ryane Clowe.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@SpencerMaze, Thank you.
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SpencerMaze Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
@puck73, no thank you puck! I am on utter shock and disbelief regarding the non-action taken by the league. How is it that the commissioner of the league thinks its ok to deliberatly alter the course of a game thru a blatant act of cheating and very poor sportsmanship????? WTH is wrong with this guy? Does he not have advisors or some subordinates (or colleagues) to help him out with things of this nature?? The incompetence is truly staggering.
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Way to go NHL, you have an entire fan-base irritated with you.. Keep it up, in a few years we’ll see where it gets you
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Can linesman call bench minors? Or can they only call major penalties?
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
@bitter,
apparently, they only call collect :X
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seanster48 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
@bitter, obviously NOT, they just skate around, get in the way, turn a blind eye too the obvious…….WOW, I AM REALLY BURNT ABOUT THIS CLOWNE INCIDENT!! how do 4 refs NOT see that?? anyways…Go BLUES!!
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KingsFan79 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@seanster48, according to Foxy last night, they’re able to call bench minors. I’m surprised no conspiracy theories of refs being PAID UNDER THE TABLE is popping up. THERE I SAID IT – REFS WERE PAID TO OFFICIATE THE WAY THEY DID LAST NIGHT! GO AHEAD AND FINE ME, GB!
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Even with coaches running bounty programs, steroid scandals, and an alleged rapist being the face of the league, the NHL still can’t do any better than the NFL, MBL, and NBA. Why? Crap like this.
This league is just juvenile, even in comparison to all the other BS that happens in professional sports. The NHL always looks a half step away from total incompetence and collapse. It’s sad.
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Steve W Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
@aegwillnotwinthecup, Alleged, why do yu think thre was no trial- victim intimidation!
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Steve W Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
@Steve W, *you, There. Also, leaking victim’s name.
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HOLY CRAP!! YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!! oh well, too much to say, all for not! GO KINGS GO!!!!
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Saying that the clock operator is employed by the league doesn’t mean that they are impartial. It just means that they are employed by the league. I live in San Jose and a friend of mine was an off-ice official for Sharks games. He wore a very handsome NHL jacket but he was an is a dyed-in-the-wool Sharks fan.
All that said, I run the clock for my kids travel hockey games and there is no doubt that the clock operator has to anticipate the whistle blowing. I probably do this wrong 1-2x per game, generally waiting too long but there have been times where I stopped the clock inadvertently.
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Here’s a link to contact the NHL officials association/executive board:
http://www.nhlofficials.com/contact.asp
Everyone needs to bombard them with emails!
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seanster48 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@Marbles, THANKS Marbles, Handled it!! by leaving a comment,(to the NHLofficials) i feel much better! GO KINGS GO!!!
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KingsFan79 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@seanster48, done! let’s keep this going.
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lowegirl Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:43 am
@Marbles,
I want Bettman’s email.
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I hope Cloaca takes a puck to the chops and the ice crew has to spend several minutes gathering his teeth.
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Clowe is a punk. I thought his comments after the game were so blatantly arrogant. He knows exactly what he did.
What a coward. I hope he gets flattened on Sat.
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KingsFan79 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@bitter, Absolutely – let’s get WESTIE on his arse
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The only thing we can honestly hope for tom night other than a win is dustin brown drops clowe on his ass.
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Well, we will just have to boo Gary B. even harder when he has to present us the cup…Ok, or at least boo him the next time a player gets a milestone. And he wonders why LA hates him
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IceGuy Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
@these legumes,
When the Kings finally win the Cup, Captain Brown should not take the celebrated trophy from Bettman’s hands. Rather, instruct the Commissioner to put it back on the table, so Brownie can pick it up himself.
The Los Angeles Kings want NOTHING from Bettman – ever.
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If Clowe doesn’t make a public apology for his conduct (and I do understand that this sort of thing can happen to almost anyone in that split second before your brain engages) then he’s a punk and a child.
If he apologies then it’s all done. If not, he shows himself to be an immature brat.
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You have got to be kidding. So what, are we going to start making this a part of the game? Come on Gary, DO MORE! Not less
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Should have been a penalty shot, just like when a player throws a stick. At the vry least, it would have given us a 5 on 3. Oh well, win tomorrow!
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NHL Tonight showed Clowe on the bench saying “That was stupid”.
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Classless. What happened to sportsmanship? These guys are professionals.
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Rich. I listened to the commissioners show and I too wondered why he didn’t mention that the clock operator is employed by the league. The way Bettman answers that question makes it appear that it’s a Kings/Staples center employee that is no longer working the clock. I tried to call and get that question in, but I was put on hold and the show was over.
Very good observation.
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John Strachan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@Spidey35, I wonder why Bettman didn’t comment on other examples of clock stoppage, like happened in Madison Square Gardens, in the neighborhood of the league offices.
I am still trying to understand why a clock stoppage in the final minute of the game is any different from a stoppage any other time in the game. The officials are always adjusting clock time during a game. The fact that there may have been a clock snafu in the final minute could just as easliy mean that there was a corresponding issue earlier in the game. Unless the league can guarantee that every second and tenth of a second of 60 mins is played, I am not sure how they can somehow point to the final seconds as being that critical.
That said, the clock official got fired? So what discipline will yesterday’s referreeing crew face?
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Im going to agree with the league here, i dont think any supplemental discipline was required and apparently, according to the rules, it was not possible to dish out any supplemental discipline. It will have to be something the league has to look at and make a rule in order to be able to enforce it, such as the Sean Avery rule a few years back.
Bottom line is this HAS to be something that the REFS see. If the refs see it, its gets called a bench minor and the Kings get a PP. Why would the league need to get involved, other than the Referee Assessors giving the refs a bad performance score. If the refs miss a blatant penalty during the game, does the league get involved simply because the refs missed it and it could have changed the outcome of the game? Absolutely not, unless its head injuries etc, but not on delay of game type plays.
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puck73 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@Sebastian, Disagree with most of this post.
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The Puck Stops Here Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@Sebastian, The league gets involved after the fact all the time! There are missed boarding penalties that turn into suspensions. Coaches get fined and suspended for comments. It’s an embarrassment to the NHL, and should be addressed to rectify it.
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Sebastian Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@The Puck Stops Here, Right, thats the department of player safety who gets involved (Brendan Shannahan). this play had nothing to do with player safety.
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fsd1 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:53 am
@Sebastian, sure it does, what if the stick had caused a trip and injured a player. Has everything to do with player safety
fsd1 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@Sebastian, or hit a guy in the eye?
John Strachan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@Sebastian, That is fine, but Avery got suspended two games following his arm waving incident. So in other words, if you are on the ice and wave your arms, it is much worse than if you aren’t even on the ice and get involved in the play.
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IceGuy Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
@Sebastian,
NHL Rule Book:
28.1 Supplementary Discipline – In addition to the automatic fines and suspensions imposed under these rules, the Commissioner may, at his discretion, investigate any incident that occurs in connection with any Pre-season, Exhibition, League or Playoff game and may assess additional fines and/or suspensions for any offense committed during the course of a game or any aftermath thereof by a player, goalkeeper, Trainer, Manager, Coach or non-playing Club personnel or Club executive, whether or not such offense has been penalized by the Referee.
Right there in Black & White, ready for an honorable Commissioner to protect the integrity of the Game.
Bettman’s choice?
Dishonorable.
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Danielle Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
@IceGuy,
Agree. The articles saying that they aren’t imposing supplemental discipline seem to be basing it on the fact that the minor penalty for interference does not specifically reference Rule 28.1. But Rule 28.1 says “_any_ incident… during the course of a game.” It does not say “if the rule covering the incident incorporates 28.1″ – Bettman has the discretion to investigate and assess fines and/or suspensions. Perhaps Bettman needs to brush up on his contract interpretation skills… (and this is is coming from a Labor-side attorney)
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IceGuy Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
@Danielle,
I look at it this way:
Tortorella gets a $20,000 fine from NHL Comissionner for trash talking.
Clowe gets nothing for bald face cheating during a game, and quite possibly changing the outcome.
Bettman sure does have his priorities, I guess.
PS: and thanks for catching the “ANY INCIDENT during the course of a game”. I agree with you totally. I’m figuring this incident will be the legal basis for players attempting to avoid supplemental discipline in the future.
INEXCUSABLE!
Even when The Jets coach tripped a dolphin interfereing with a play, the coach was suspended.
VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3mFyKhJhfQ
STORY/FOLLOW UP http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/sports/football/14jets.html
This is inexcusable by the NHL
The lack of respnsse to cheating and lying, misconduct and unsportsman like condict it UNFORGIVABLE.
SHAME ON THE NHL.
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We cant be letting this Clowe stuff get too us so much. This is the Pro’s and it is time to move on everyone! We will settle the score on Saturday and let that be it. It isn’t good mentally for the Kings to care about this kind of stuff and Avery-type players like Clowe. The only difference is Clowe is actually good and will continue to embarrass our team if we allow him to be relevant so I call to a stop to all of this. Lets just learn how to hold a lead.
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alex11 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@alex11, Pros* damn auto-correct
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KingFanatic08 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@alex11, agreed! I have a hard time letting stuff like this go, but our boys need to use this anger as fuel and turn it into more anger and passion in tomorrows game and shut these guppies up for good! Quickie had an off day, it happens. I don’t blame him, I blame our PK that didn’t do their damn job. the only way to exact revenge is to win tomorrow! GKG
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alex11 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@KingFanatic08, GKG glad I’m not the only one!
Ryan Clowe is a certifiable idiot. His behaviour throughout the game was childish and certainly not professional. What’s wrong San Jose, afraid the only way you can win is to cheat? The League should certainly be looking at both the officiating in this game (e.g., call on Kopitar that wasn’t a penalty) and Ryan Clowe’s despicable and, no doubt, purposeful cheating behaviour.
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Rich, be careful what you say about the NHL. Bettman doesn’t like negative publicity, and he could fine you. (This might be satire). Bettman is biased. The league has it’s own interests. No evidence of wrongdoing should have resulted in the clock operator still working in the same position. This makes me want to not support the NHL. If I could support the Kings without giving the league a penny, I would do it.
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kingrussell Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@The Puck Stops Here, He should be grateful he’s getting any publicity considering how bad he is.
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God I can’t freaking stand reading the comments of shark fans on the yahoo sports page making what clown did to be OK because Fraz injured one of their guys, or when this incident happened and the sharks got penalties and they didn’t. GRRR They (the sharks and their fans) have now earned my hatred like the canucks and bruins. It is indeed a great day for sharks hockey to be placed under that category. F-EM! We will take that game tomorrow in their own crappy arena and win our division for the first time in 21 years. It is our time! GO KINGS GO!
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
@KingFanatic08, Yeah, I really hate ‘em now too. Thornton fighting Doughty was cheap too, even though I think he let Doughty off easy it was still out of line. San Jose packed a whole season’s worth cheapness into one game last night. We cannot let them bait us into that tomorrow. We can only beat them by playing better hockey. We can’t out tough them.
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Play Westgarth on Saturday with one mission: Kill Clowe. Who cares if he gets suspended….we’re not playing him anyways.
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And this is why Bettman is booed every time he’s in public.
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Four players that I hate But wouldn’t mind seeing in a Kings uniform next year.
1.Clowe
2.Torres
3.Ott
4.Eager
The Kings are a strong physical team but lets face it they get beat up by every team in the league. I’m talkin about fighting. Westy is a waste of space and money. Clifford has lost his mojo and gets smacked around by just about anyone. Greene could be the worst fighter in kings history. Has he ever landed a punch? It was nice to see donuts stand up for himself but really? We need number 8 scoring goals and collecting assists not getting his face pounded in or breaking a finger or hand in a scrap.
Thorton didn’t even get a face wash for messin with our “Golden Boy”. Not one King even decided to question him for almost hurting our cup hopes. The thing is who was going to punish Thorton? Thats right no one! There isn’t one player on our current roster who could handle that. Im not talkin about a cheap shot. Just a fair fight.
Lets hope no one decides to target Kopi because IMO if they want to go after him he’s dead meat. It’s kinda sad when your best fighter is Mitchell. He has size and punching skill. The reat of the boys put up a good show but in the end they all get slapped around. I’m really excited about the playoffs and Hope we take the division but we need to keep our gloves on!
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lowegirl Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@ILLEGALSTICK33,
I would never want a player of that low caliber on the Kings. Clowe is an asshat.
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ILLEGALSTICK33 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@lowegirl, Clowe made clifford and greene look like paper weights. Then he put the puck in our net! I would sign him as soon as we can!
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OneTimer Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
@ILLEGALSTICK33,
Here’s where we part ways. I would never accept a Cup from a team with cheating personnel … particularly my OWN team.
- I believe in karma.
- I believe Montreal cursed themselves in 93. In the 18 years since- they’ve managed 1 decent season and 1 decent PO run.
- I believe the San Jose Sharks, lead by Ryane “Ass” Clowne is next up on the Hockey Gods list.
alex11 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@ILLEGALSTICK33, Take out Eager, he is known to be a dirty hockey player with no talent. Take out Torres too, nothing that Fraser can’t make up for in skill and PK ability, former cup winner, and the same balance of grit. With Torres you would get fighting skill with a lack of anything else.
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ILLEGALSTICK33 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@alex11, Exactly! Thats what we need. We have enough “character” tough guys. We need a police man! Someone who is actually nice with his hands! Someone who can actually land some punches and make it clear that our top guys are off the market when it comes to scraps!
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alex11 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@ILLEGALSTICK33, Having someone who could actually scrap would be nice
40YearKingsFan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
@ILLEGALSTICK33,
Can anyone tell me the last time one of the Kings actually won a scrap?
The last one I remember was Simmonds last year breaking some guys nose. I cannot remember 1 “W” since. Draws, yes, but no clear wins.
Sometimes you fight to show you’ll stand up, like Doughty last night, and winning is not important. The rest of the time it’s to send a omessage or change momentum and winning is VERY important.
Well, I guess the NHL is really no better than the KHL thanks to Gary Bettman. Deplorable.
I expect Clowe to be REALLY careful skating by the Kings bench on Saturday. Now that the league has basically condoned cheating as OK, ‘Payback is a b-’ could take on serious meaning. OK, not really, but it felt good to say.
Honestly, I hope the Kings just beat the piss out of the Sharks in their own building Saturday, a la that 4-0 win last year. I gotta believe someone is going to ring clowe’s bell early in the game, just because.
The NHL is now known as the ‘No Honor League’. Congradulations Bettman.
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IceGuy Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@Cynic,
Here’s a thought:
Activate Scott Parse.
Put him on the bench.
When Clowe skates by, accidently club him.
Minor Penalty. (or perhaps the Ref’s won’t see it!)
De-Activate Parse.
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If you read posts by other team’s fans you would think it’s open season on the Kings since the timekeeping thing.
I guess since one league employee messed up the rules don’t matter anymore.
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Brendan Shannaham is a FRAUD, and should be immediately FIRED!
Clowe blatantly cheated, and should be suspended for Saturdays game. What’s to prevent
any player from doing this from now on? Anyone idiotic enough to compare clock
gate to this, is too stupid for words. The clock was a quirk of electronics, not
having anything to do with the team. Ryan Clowe cheated, effecting the play on
the ice. About the only thing a player could do that’s worse, would be taking a
bribe to fix games (i.e. Chicago Black Sox). A major black eye for The National
Hockey League.
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Pumpernicholl Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@Chuck, The guy operating the clock is a league employee. The league can’t suspend itself. That situation and this one are 100% different.
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Chuck Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@Pumpernicholl,
I never said they were similar. I said the idiots comparing the 2 events don’t know what they’re talking about. Again, the clock was a glitch, Clowe is a cheater.
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Pumpernicholl Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
@Chuck, My comment was basically agreeing with yours.
When a player sitting on the bench interferes with what is going on in the game, it CANNOT be excused. I don’t care what sport, what circumstances, what score, etc. The game has no integrity when this happens and absolutely nothing is done about it. Shame on the NHL. Regardless of who you root for, those of us who love the game deserve better than this.
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Now I see what kind of league the NHL wants to be, and what kind of game they want to have.
So now stick plays from the bench are fair game and no player need fear league punishment. Might as well build this stuff into every team’s coaching and game plan.
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I won’t feel bad if someone breaks both of Clowe’s knees. If no one sees it, it didn’t happen.
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ILLEGALSTICK33 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Led pipe to the knee caps? Nancy Kerrigan?
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What a joke. The Kings needs to give the Sharks some pay back in the form of:
1. Winning on Saturday and taking the title.
2. Drilling Clowe every chance they get.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@RobBordsen, Frankly, on the ice, I think they need to worry about playing the best hockey they can. Off the ice, I hope someone hurts Clowe. He’s obviously an amoral SOB who needs to learn THAT way.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Going after Clowe is exactly what Clowe and San Jose want. I mean, if you get a clean shot, yeah by all means take it, but if we get obsessed with the guy, as he would have us do, we’re going to lose again. It’s not our game. We’re not any good at it.
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I fully understand the frustration we’re all feeling over this incident and the League’s indifference is just salt in the wound. But the only payback we can hope for is a solid, physical win in their house to take the division (with help from Phoenix). I pray to GOD that none of our guys try to make a point by pulling something, all it will do is bring shame to us as it has San Jose. If we toss our honor by stooping to Clowe’s level and end up losing the game over it I’ll never forgive the guy who does it.
Skate, Hit, Score, Win… that’s our payback.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@nick, True. For us, it’s different. We can bitch and moan and write letters, etc. The Kings better figure out how they’re going to simply win the next game in regulation.
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This proves that the league is favoring the Sharks over the Kings. If not for Clowe, I’m positive there would have been a fine/suspension to either Fraser and/or Clifford. By not doing anything we can pretend that it never happened since the league can’t explain the clock or Team USA thrashing a room at the Nagano Olympics. Yeah, I still remember that and how GB was going to find out the guilty party. Well, I’m sure everything is fine the way it is with the refs and how no one takes responsibility. At this place and time, just do whatever it takes to beat them at their barn. Go Kings!
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Gary Bettman is the director of circus, and he cannot fire his clown.
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Blatant cheating, Gary Buttman and the league take no action… can we please get a commissioner with one once of integrity to represent the NHL! No wonder the best game on earth is looked as by most as a bush league joke!
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Is there a rule specifically about throwing water bottles? Just brainstorming.
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vplaza Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Probably not. Just like there’s no rule against drinking from a water bottle backwards and spraying the water onto the ice. (DB video somewhere on the net for this one.)
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Eric K Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Idea: Dustin Brown “accidentally” holds the water bottle the wrong way again and sprays Gatorade in Ryane Clowe’s eye. Hilarity ensues.
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http://www.nhlofficials.com/contact.asp
Use it wisely… but definitely use it…
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Hopefully our boys can move on and forget this… let’s get back to playing our style and take the division in thier house! GKG!!!
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Bettman is a little man and Brendan Shanahan is a clown and both should join the circus rather than running the NHL like one!!!That Clowe interference was disgusting. He should be shot and pissed on!!!
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@andy, Agree on both Bettmen and Shanahan and I think its worth pointing out the obvious, that there are several teams in the league that had Clowe done this against them there would have been swift punishment from the league. They’re playing dumb with all the BS about it being a minor and not really being sure whether or not they can punish or penalize Clowe or San Jose for cheating. It’s a mockery.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@andy, Brendan Shanahan, National Hockey League’s Vice President of Hockey and Business Development and head disciplinarian,,,,,, translated that means Bettman’s Puppet.
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NHL set a dangerous precedent with no disciplinary action following Ryan Clowe’s play of the puck from the bench. It can now be considered gamesmanship, a calculated strategy for a player to interfere with the play on the ice from the bench. If the on ice officials don’t see it, the league. Way to Go Bettman! And, Shanny dosen’t consider this to be a dangerous play?
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It’s now safe to say Gary Bettman has no Pucks or Balls!!!
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Bettman for PM! Prime Moron!
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Ive lost all respect for the NHL as now….
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If someone hurts Bettman and no one sees it, I guess it’s not punishable.
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Well, since the NHL insists on regressing back into “bush league” status, we might as well have the referees swallow their whistles in the third period, just like they did in the good ol’ ’90s.
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You know, this was Bettman’s chance to prove the haters wrong by actually showing people that he has a spine after all. Well, the non-fans of GB have been proven correct in a big way! The guy is completely worthless and extraordinarily incompetent. This simply cannot be argued anymore. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want the league to have any credibility whatsoever OR to be considered a sport with the utmost integrity.
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It’s a false equivalency. The clock operator is not a player on the ice and players play to the whistle. Clowe, on the other hand, is a player, knows the rules, and willfully violated them AS A PLAYER. The “ya but you guys…” defense is just a straw man argument and should be easily shredded by anyone with any integrity on this matter.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
@Kristie, Integrity? From a Shark or their fans? What do you expect?
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DISGUSTING. I just sent an angry email to the NHL League officials. If anyone wants to join me, here’s the link:
http://www.nhlofficials.com/contact.asp
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Sucker punch a guy and nothing happens. Swing a stick at a guys head and nothing happens. Blatantly cheat by interfering with the play from the bench and nothing happens.
Criticize the officiating and have the book thrown at you.
What a joke.
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SpencerMaze Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
@HockeyNerd, So very true. A head coach chastises a player by calling him a whiner then gets fined 20k for his actions. These are just words and an opinion yet the league comes down hard when someone talks trash toward a star player.
Yet when a player deliberately cheats thus altering the outcome of a game he gets zero reprimand or fine.
What’s “worse” as far as integrity and good sportsmanship is concerned?? Apparently Bettman thinks protecting the feelings of his star players is more important than protecting the integrity of the game!!!
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This is purely despicable. How can Bettman bring the clock issue up when that was adjudicated on its own merits??!! Bettman, your boys made a mistake not seeing that blatant violation…and we can forgive the linesman for claiming not to see it. But to not penalize Clowe post facto when the video clerly demonstrates this totally unsportsman-like egregious action and you cowardly reach back to a past unproven incident only serves as irrefutable evidence that yopu are completely incapable of performing your duty to uphold the most rudimentary tenets of this beautiful game. You sir are a disgrace to the game of hockey and with much reason, throngs will applaud your swift exit from your disastrous stewardship of this sport. You should be feeling “much shame”. Big-time hip-check to you.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@crashin’da net,
It could not have been said better.
YESSSSSSS!!! What he said!
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SpencerMaze Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@crashin’da net, Outstanding post!! Bravo
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It is unfathomable that anyone who knows anything at all about hockey could watch the clip and decide that the best course of action was to do nothing. The incompetence, if not corruption, is breathtaking.
The Kings lost the game on their own by allowing SJ to drag them down to their level, but leaving this willful cheating unaddressed is just beyond comprehension.
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SpencerMaze Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@40YearKingsFan, Could not have said it better in any way. How does the Commish or any other “official” look at what transpired last night and say to one another “no harm, no foul”????
The Incompetence is truly mind boggling.
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It has now become obvious that Bettman’s way of dealing with a problem is to deny it exists.
This is not someone who should be a leader.
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Incidentally:
The Lakers from 10 years ago did nothing but fight among themselves and argue which superstar was “the team”. I was not a Laker fan for that reason.
Roenick’s actions in the Olympics were despicable, and I wanted no part of Roenick on this team.
Avery was completely classless and I shed no tears when we got rid of him.
So just on case one of you Shark fans is reading this, yes I do have SOME integrity.
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After the Clowe incident, I heard one of my fellow Kings fan brethren state that “I’m ending it all as soon as I can”. I thought that he was going to do himself in and not what he actually did. He changed his last name from Clowe to King at around 10:15 this morning.
He told Judge Brown “I don’t want my last name associated with that San Jose Sharks clown any longer”.
The judge smiled and after it was all over took Mr. King aside and told him: “I can understand where you’re coming from, my friend. My last name used to be Avery.”
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HockeyNerd Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
@Buster, Awesome!
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Just heard on the radio that Couture is now tweeting about Clowe ‘what did he do’. I thought that Couture had some class but evidently the ‘class structure’ of that team is more or less out the window.
Too bad for them.
As for our team Drew Doughty has been busted on some blogs (our blogs) and rightly so. He should keep his mouth shut before spouting off about what they’re going to do to the Sharks, and he should actually learn to improve his defensive play. His maturity level still needs some work. And thats imperative if he’s going to come close to earning the salary that he’s getting.
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crashin'da net Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
@number 6, quite frankly, I don’t see him ever earning the salary we pay him. Chalk another one up to “irrational exuberance”…..
PS Should we begin referring to Bettman as “Buttman” on this board? It’s seems accurate and just…. “Henceforth in the Divine Kingdom of Hockey, thy nameth shall be Buttman, Duke of Analshire”.
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Buster Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
@crashin’da net,
OR Beavis N. Buttman
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smkdowntown Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
@number 6, He did what he had to do…Kings players take runs at sharks players all the time…
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@kingalex: who was your uncle?
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Last night Bob and Foxy were talking about what a great stick handler Mitchell was…he’s got nothing on Clowe!
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you know, if that was JMFJ carrying the puck & clowne stuck out his stick JMFJ would have “headfaked” right on by and this mess would’ve never happened!! enjoy golfing JMFJ! GO KINGS GO!!!
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The entire bench should throw their sticks on the ice after the puck drops on Saturday night.
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Maybe the NHL needs a bit more time since its been less that 24 hours but I’m surprised they haven’t even said this is poor sportsmanship and not how the game should be played. Fine, no penalty or fine but not even a word about how it was wrong?
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Ridiculous that Tortorella gets fine $20k for saying Crosby is a whiner but a player who interferes with the flow of the game while on the bench gets nothing nor does his club get punished.
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I applaud Jim Fox on spotting it immediately. The guy must have great vision as he spotted it as quickly as the players on the ice. He followed that by looking around to see which official or linesman caught it, but seemed in somewhat disbelief that none of the four did. His tone of voice was more than adequate based on the situation, which I was hoping would be a catalyst for the NHL to do something about it today.
I had faith they would at least do something going forward, like change the rule immediately going forward to prevent this occurring again. Should be an automatic penalty shot in my opinion plus a suspension if determined the “act” was deliberate such as Clowe’s obviously was.
Yes, a sad day in hockey when blatant cheating went unpunished and encourages this possible behavior in future games.
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SpencerMaze Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
@Mike C, Great post. Agree totally. Bettman could’ve shown everyone that he was taking the proactive route by taking swift action against Clowne as well as making sure everyone knows that this type of blatant cheating will not be tolerated. But, in typical GB fashion he does nothing. Can you imagine what Goodell would have done if something like this had happened in the NFL?! Immediate suspension and rules clarification.
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number 6 Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@SpencerMaze,
But…. but…. but…. Gary Bettman’s a great commiss……
OH….. wait. Maybe not.
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The rule book says its a minor penalty. Should the league suspend someone for hooking someone and getting away with it? Same thing. Cheating.
Gosh, over dramatic drama-kings…
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Gary Reply:
April 6th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
@Josh, The difference is the guy was on the bench. It’s not like clowe was on the ice and the officials missed the call.
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Josh Reply:
April 7th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
@Gary, 56.3 Bench Minor Penalty – A bench minor penalty shall be imposed when an unidentifiable player on the players’ bench or penalty bench or any Coach or non-playing Club personnel who, by means of his stick or his body, interferes with the movements of the puck or any opponent on the ice during the progress of the play.
Actually…it is the same thing.
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i’m late to this party, but solid, insightful comments, Rich
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What about starting a page on Facebook, Fire Bettman?!
I just had an idea that there a pages for almost anything and thought that Mr. Bettman deserves his own, that gutless punk. I would need help, but I do know a lot of hockey people. I would need help to make this happen, and I will post this on HF Boards etc.
Don’t really know what is their limit to freedom of speech in Facebook nowadays, but in my opinion its worth a try, like nhl is doing anything about the game of hockey. So at least they would have to contact Facebook to make this go a way, and probably would call it a day
Any thoughts?? You can find me Marko “kyle” Kylmamaa if you want to.. My status this morning in Finland! Go Kings!!!
“nhl blows it again, no suspension, no fine, no nada! I am all out for the lock out next season, nhl deserves it!! gutless punk Bettman, you are a disgrace to the game!!! how can it be possible to fine coaches who defend their players, how can you never fine refs for blown calls is beyond me! Bettman is screwing the fine coolest game on earth!!!! Shame on all of them… Anyways I’d rather lose like a King than win like despicable organization called sharks!!!”
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Tonight the KINGS will avenge the loss.. in SAN JOSE. What a better place to do it right were the lowlife lives during the season.
The WILD will win tonight and LA takes division. Even if it
does not happen no one wants LA In the first round. I know most of you love Quick, but I think Bernier is a better goalie and if were to win a cup it will be with him in net. The defense makes Quick look better then he really is. I teach goalies and Quick does not have a very good glove and a average stick. And cannot stop a puck over his shoulder.
Bernier has made great saves that I could not believe could be made. Give him more playing time and he will develope into a great goalie. And yes I am a good coach. I took one goalie average at 4.24 to 2.36 and my starting goalie from
2.45 to 1.62. I could give both of LA goalies some help. I just
dont think that It would be received very well. Go KINGS AND DESTROY WHO MAY BE IN YOUR WAY AND QUICKIE PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG.
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By the way I Like Bernier style and a coup
le of good goalies in the minors. Trade Quick and
GET ANOTHER SCORER. YOU WILL NOT BE SORRY.
GO KINGS BEAT VANCOUVER!!!!!
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