I’ll have the full transcript of the Dean Lombardi conference call shortly, but here are the highlights…
– Talks with the Blue Jackets started “heating up” about a week ago.
– Lombardi said he understands that taking on Carter’s big contract is a risk, but feels it is worth it.
– Carter will have to do an extensive physical. The Kings hope he will be able to play on Saturday, but aren’t certain.
– Lombardi said that in terms of potential trades beyond this, he has “absolutely nothing” right now but said he will be open to talks.
– Lombardi said the questions about Carter’s character have been overblown.
– Slava Voynov will come up to take Jack Johnson’s spot on defense, and the Kings will send down a forward, although Lombardi did not say which one.
– Lombardi said he did not know whether the Kings were on Rick Nash’s reported “list” of teams to which he would accept a trade.
We’re on Nash’s list… that’s been widely reported.
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KingsFan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
@Dilapidus, IF we were on the list, which is a huge if, we were probably dead last. Hes going to SJ or NYR. Probably SJ in my opinion….
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
@KingsFan, SJ has no good draft picks plus good prospect to give Blue Jackets for a rebuild…So most likely Rangers
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rogiesbackup Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
@KingsFan, Might not be a bad idea to let Nash go to The Tank. The Sharks are gonna loose one of their top players like Pavelski or even Couture.
As a Kings fan, I’d like to see the Sharks loose two goal scorers and gain only ONE goal scorer.
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Dilapidus Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
@Dilapidus,
Oh man!! I was FIRST!!111!!1 .. I’ve never been first before.. now I missed the chance to claim… oh well.
That’s why the 1st rounder hurts though, we’ll need that for Nash/Semin/? I really think that DL needs to keep Nash out of SJ, at least if he want’s the division or anything after the first round in the playoffs.
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KDinUT Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
@Dilapidus, It’s okay, the “first” thing is not really welcome around here by most of the regulars. Just sayin’ . . .
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Niko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
@KDinUT,
LOL
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
@KDinUT, I’m somewhat disappointed there isn’t a special note about that crap in the margin on the right, perhaps under the part about posts continually expressing the same singular opinion.
KDinUT Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, True.
Dilapidus Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
@KDinUT,
Please adjust sarcasm meter accordingly.
red49er Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
@KDinUT, ya, well the 1st time you’re 1st IS kind of special. After that you need to act like you’ve been there before.
mrbrett7 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
@Dilapidus, It’s been widely reported who is RUMORED to be on his list.
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gene Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
@Dilapidus, NHL.com said there were only 4 teams Nash would go to. San Jose, Toronto, New York and Van
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:13 pm
@Dilapidus, Don’t know if we were ever on Nash’s list but Dean said he never talked to Howson about Nash. Most likely Nash stays put and gets traded at the Draft or off season.
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tantrum4 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:18 pm
@Dilapidus,
It was never confirmed, only speculated. Should be a lesson for people not to believe everything they read on the internet. I can’t believe people still need to be told.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
@Dilapidus, Maybe DL will go to “Plan A” come summer.
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flex Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:21 am
@rogiesbackup, Plan A for Dl is historily failur…Kovi.Brad Richards,..Nash
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I think this is a great deal!!!! YES
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boytano Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
@alex101, do you think this is a good deal?
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Donald_S Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
@alex101,
I wish it hadn’t been a first round pick that we gave away. We’re trading away too much future to get this deadline deals done.
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Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
@Donald_S, Sorry but we did not give that much future for Carter. JJ is not much of the D-man and probably never willl be. He is very replaceable. We have number of good defense in the minors are ready to step in. Voynov will do just fine and defensively he is an upgrade. And he does have that shoot the puck mentality. Good trade. Now we need one more for the third line.
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I think this is a great deal!!!! YES
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boytano Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
@alex101, seriously though… do you think this is a good deal?
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alex101 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:03 pm
@boytano, i am doubly happy you guys it’s done! why speculate lets get pumped finally something new! finally something to look forward too.
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
@alex101,
Until they lose 3-1 to Chicago and Carter has the only goal?
(guess you can tell I don’t like the trade much)
alex101 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
@alex101, Yeah. I guess I shouldn’t expect people on this site to ever be optimistic haha seriously we all need to change our mindset, just like the kings.
Lombardi would think the trade is worth the risk. He likely won’t be in LA when it ends. Good luck with Carter & Richards in the same locker room. Bad news
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Columbus wants couture and others for nash that’s not gonna happen
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:05 pm
@hockeymonkey, IMO, they’ll find a sucker to give the world for Nash in the offseason…that sucker could still be DL, and I really don’t want to think about that.
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hockeymonkey Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:15 pm
We can give them martinez king and nolan with penner lmao@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
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ESPN is reporting that Carter will not be available for Saturday’s game against Chicago.
If that is accurate, then it begs the question: how do you make a deal to improve the team’s offense–by subtracting an offensive-minded blueliner–and then NOT have him in the lineup for an absolutely crucial game?
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Choralone Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
@AJ, I think there’s a bigger picture than one game….
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AJ Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:05 pm
@Choralone:
Not for this season. Every single game–and the two points–is vital if the Kings want to make the playoffs.
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TheAcaciaStrain Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:05 pm
@Choralone, so…the point that he made isn’t valid??
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pr0cess Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
@Choralone, one game at this point can be the season
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
@Choralone, I’ve got to go with AJ here, primarily because we all know DL did this to save his bacon, and he needs as many wins from the next 20 games as possible.
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alex101 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
@AJ, why the hell would he not be available!? Downie got to the Avs so fast. We need him!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm
@alex101, prolly has something to do with the “extensive physical.”
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pr0cess Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm
@alex101, Because he is penner 2.0, this speaks Volumes to this right here.
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alex101 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
@pr0cess, can we be a little more optimistic come on guys
alex101 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
@pr0cess, can we be a little more optimistic come on guys
OneTimer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
@pr0cess, You have ABSOLUTELY no basis, knowledge, proof or fact to back up your post … And it adds nothing. So just cram it.
Thanksbuh-bye
Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
@AJ, The trade can still be voided if he doesn’t pass a physical. After the Smyth fiasco I am not surprised about this. I am sure he will be visiting a doctor tomorrow. Dean said he will make it to L.A. on Saturday. Didn’t say whether he would play or not.
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Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
@Jeff_R, Not sure what could be wrong with the physical. He did played last game and score the hat trick. I watched the game and he looked great.
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petemagoop Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
@AJ, Carter is expected to arrive in Los Angeles on Saturday night, meaning he will not be available for that evening’s game against the visiting Blackhawks.
from ESPN – must be taking the bus
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
@petemagoop, Most likely he will get on a plane Saturday morning and be here in time for the game.
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King Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
@petemagoop, Who cares what anyone on ESPN has to say? Their hockey coverage is worse than Penner going for a loose puck.
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Gary Livingston Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:50 pm
@AJ,
Voynov can provide just as much offense as Johnson. Especially, stepping into Johnson’s role and minutes.
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King Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
@Gary Livingston, You got that right. VV has got to be stoked. It’s the rise of the Russian!
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5holer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@Gary Livingston, First smart thing mentioned on this post tonight! That MUST BE the thinking behind this deal….But this deal absolutely stinks!! Only 2 D-men on this club could consistently get the puck up and out to the forwards…one is now in Columbus and the other is Mr Dewey Doughty of La La Land! Slava will have to do it right now! Hickey has to be another consideration as the only other puck mover we have on the back end in the system! Howson was supposed to be desperate to move Carter with few takers around…and along comes DL who is now more desperate then Howson to keep his job here…Bang overpay for the questionable Carter! Johnson’s loss with further hurt the offense here, as we will be hard pressed to get out of our own end from forechecking teams’ pressure, and we still have ZERO NET PRESENCE! Strong indications that there is more coming on the trade burner, now or later, involving Brown & Bernier for another goal scorer? Out with Taylor’s guys and in with the Philly connection! Still DL has no legacy here in 6 years other then the lone DD and some minor support pieces! The Philly Kings are here to stay as long as DL & staff are here! This club is worse today then yesterday and that is not a good thing at all! We must see what else comes along cause I am not making any play off plans this year! See ya and say what you will!
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The only “Deal” to be made is the kings making the playoffs… let’s hope this trade gives JQ the extra goal he needs to win the games he has been “winning” for the team all season long…
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5holer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:52 pm
@vern, Too late I believe! Mr Goalie Quick is showing signs of mental and physical fatigue! The organization has left him virtually alone on an island starting last season thru today! He is going to play 18 or more of the final 20 games which will make 70 starts plus pre-season and IF we go to Play offs. He is not 6-3 230 lbs. like Lundquist or Luongo or even Rinne. He is a slightly built young lad (tall and slender) who has already shown he can wilt after overuse by the previous coach, then faded down stretch & in P-Os! Bound to happen again and likely already is per last two starts! Bernier has to play +/-20 games for Quick to stay fresh IMHO! Proof is in the history books there! Need minimum of 92 points to get in at 8th spot(who wants it at 8th and go out 4-0 vs Wings!). Kings will get less then 90 points is my best bet! Next year Girls! Carter is Not Howe, Esposito or Hull! 1 man won’t do it! The slumber continues for the 3 top lines in my book! Anybody willing to go to the net? Nope! Lost! Reality hockey not Fantasy hockey folks!
So tell me to shut up then!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:25 am
@5holer, What are those signs? Skaters not playing defense, first on a back to back night when Quick also had a bad night, then the very next night when there wasn’t a chance to stop any of them that actually went by him? This whole “trend” people keep talking about is two games, one of which wasn’t really on him and both of which were also on the rest of the team. Go back ten games, and the trend is he’s still standing on his head. Let’s see what happens in the next ten games before we make the claim, huh?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:28 am
Oh, and the previous “wilting” was when he was younger and had a crying infant in the room, not to mention an Olympics distraction. Feel free to say you told me so if it actually happens.
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I like the trade causes he’s excited and I know for a fact richards is a happy king right now
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Eric Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
@hockeymonkey, Richards & Carter together is not good for a locker room. Not to mention they like to party a lot. They were seen out partying on the night before a game several times in Philly
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Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
@Eric, Stop saying what everybody else saw. You were not at that locker room so let’s stop speculate. We have got a very good hockey player. Big, physical power forward with a very nice touch around the net.
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5holer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
@Eric, If I only had a nickle (even a penny!) for every hockey player that goes out partying after games every night! Well, on second thought, I am retired since age 50 so I really don’t need the extra cabbages, but I would be stacking it a bit higher for sure! Hockey is an emotional sport, perhaps more so then most others! You need to wind down after spending it out on the ice with high adrenaline runs! So what guys go tip a toddy or 5 together to unwind, or scream or whatever! All pro athletes virtually do such things and it is not all bad! I have no clue about Carter & Richards any more then the rest of you in here do. It is all heresay for certain, and usually promulgated by the envious non-athletic types whose only sporting equiopment is pen to paper or as it were today, keystroke to laptop. Aren’t many of those types to trust for facts in this hockey world! I know only 1 guy I hold in that regard, Dennis Bernstein of the 4th Period, but no one else IMO! So to put anything into those incendiary rumors is a waste of time and way to courageous an act for me! Lots of retired players like to sip the joy juice. I know several who do! No one partied more then young Dewey Doughty for the LAks…just ask the 19 girlfriends he has had in the green room most game nights! So what about any of that stuff! Who the H cares!
Next move Dean! Bringing back Reggie Leach for the PP?
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Lest any of us forget what the major problem with this team is, here is a little refresher. IT IS THE ABILITY TO FINISH OFF SCORING CHANCES. Brian Engblom said it last night, the Kings get chances they just fail to execute. Lets face it, Kopitar and Richards are more playmakers than snipers, as is Williams. Brown is all hustle and effort, with very little touch. King, Nolan, Clifford, Richardson, Lewis, Fraser, ALL grinders with almost zero skill. Lotki is also a playmaker. Penner never was a guy who scored pretty goals, he scored dirty goals and now he scores no goals. Stoll believe it or not is the only guy on this team that can snipe a goalie from close range (the reason he was so successful in the penalty shot), and that ability has apparently gone by the wayside. Jeff Carter is exactly what the Kings need, a guy who can find a place on the PP and shoot the damn puck past the goalie and it the transition game.
I alwyas liked JJ but many of you overvalue him simply because he negotiated is own damn “team friendly” contract. Sometimes you guys act like it’s personal, not the business that pro sports is.
Good deal DL, go make some more…
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Niko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:05 pm
@Klong,
Completely agree, Carter is a pure sniper. Watched a bunch of youtube highlights and I’m convinced that with Kopi or Richards setting him up, he will do great here.
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Eric Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
@Klong, At what price? Yes, the Kings got a scorer. However, they got a scorer with a bad contract. They got a scorer who is injured a lot. They got a scorer who has been a bad teammate in the past. They got a scorer who cares only about his personal stats and not about the team. They got a guy who parties the night before games. They got a guy, who combined with is buddy Richards, can divide a locker room.
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Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
@Eric, Check your stats before you post. Specially about being injured a lot.
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puck73 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
@Klong, Great post! Totally agree, couldnt have written it better.
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King Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
@puck73, We are on the same page buddy!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
@Klong, Great post. Carter is a great pick up and the Sniper we have been looking for. Losing JJ is tough but Voynov will be able to take his place.
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5holer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
@Klong, Well there Mr Kling Klong, I will have to completely disagree with your analysis…Well almost completely! Now you make some dam good points about lack of scoring at the finish end, true enough! But you seem to miss one essential issue about the loss of JJ! Who carries the puck out of our end and moves it up to the forwards in break out plays and in transition? Well its 2 guys on D…DD & JJ! Slava will now have to do it consistently. He will in time be excellent at it, but not starting Saturday night! This will take time, and it may turn out better then JJ in the long run? I am open and optimistic that it could happen! The bigger problem compounding the loss of JJ is that no one goes to the net, stays in front of the goalie nor does anyone dare to take the abuse staying around the crease area for rebounds/dirty goals…Smyth, Simmonds, Handzus, Boyle and many others long disposed of! This is deadly for a lesser skilled group such as LA has. You are Bang on about Kopi, Richards and Lok being playmakers first shooters second, and of Brownie the PETE ROSE OF HOCKEY! Thes guys are helpless without help on Wings! The losses of Gagne & Parse really hurt along the deposed bunch out of town. Those two are finishers are sorely missed! Penner is and always was a “head case”, so nothing else needs said there.. Good bye to him by the entire NHL in my mind! Go retire to IHOP for pancakes galore! LAK made this Carter deal for a “hope to” this season, but more likely a long term desire for years to come! This year is gone beddy bye folks! Desperate move but no immediate returns!
Sad its gone, but so might DL be! Who else to screw things up again? Yikes what a history here!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:29 am
@Klong, The potential is there for this to be a decent deal. I’ll give you that. I initially voted it was a bad deal. I’m on the fence now.
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lets ust hope Carter could help the Kings score..And Voynov has token his spot back..Good news for the people that love Voynov
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Three things:
1) The system HAS to change. It will benefit Carter, Richie, Kopi, Brown, and even Penner. We have a very good D and of course Quickie back there and so we can afford when that D-man goes down low or pinches in.
2) The soul mates have been reunited so.. clubs beware!
3) Who gets on TMZ first: Carter or Richie?
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
@Who Knows, i pick Both Carter and Richars will get in TMZ LOL
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Steevogt Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
@Who Knows, Neither. TMZ doesn’t even know what Carter or Richie look like. The only way they get on TMZ is if they are caught partying with Kobe.
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Gary Livingston Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
@Who Knows,
It’s not the system. The coaches (both Murray and Sutter) have been pushing more offensive minded play styles this season. The players aren’t listening or executing the plan at all.
Go to the practices. Pay attention to the drills and emphasis being made for offense. Murray was focused on opening things up and pushing for more offense from training camp on. Sutter more so of course.
The players just aren’t doing what they are told.
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5holer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 9:46 pm
@Gary Livingston, You are absolutely correect! …but the truth is that this group is not a cycling, banging, net presence type of roster….yet that is the system still…players are accountable but silly management should know by now they haven’t got the requisites to do it…PLUS you gotta have possession to push the offensive pace…not with this group you won’t! Do you get that? Got to have horse to run a race, not donkeys as it is in this case! They can carry a load but cannot run! Analogous?
Just to think about it!
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5holer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm
@Who Knows, Yup! Nope!! But I will bring some Cake and Ice Cream to the celebration anyway! Dreamers do dream and so be it! So who is in front to jam the net? Not Carter, not Richards, not Kopi, not Williams, and no no not Penner! He is in Mr Astute Sutter’s Jail for the year! Good safe place for him too!! Help wanted in front of net! Will overpay for your services! Will ship you out immediately if no fast results! Bye bye Smytty, Sim and Zues!! Let’s be realistic here, there isn’t much hope for achieving much this year….but we get about $15 ML in Cap Relief on July 1st! Now go get something and overpay in dollars instead of in assets that we do not have to spare!! UFAs please sign here! Will overpay! Will provide beachfront property, Hollywood ops, and many other props! Order 2 Wingers please and shed some of the dung heap that cannot finish! Doe anyone remember Gene Carr? Or Murray Wilson(Dougie’s cousin from San Jose!)? They could flat out fly on skates! Couldn’t finish much, not even with Shutt and Lemaire in Montreal before Lafluer arrived for Murray Wilson! Sounds like Richardson and Trev Lewis revisited! So disappointing! Out with that bunch and quite a few more! Next year could be THE YEAR!
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Lombardi said the reports on Carter’s character are overblown? Really? Carter & Richards were the only two players on the Flyers last season who refused to sign anti-drinking pacts that kept the players from drinking prior to games. Carter & Richards were spotted out partying several times on nights before games. When he was confronted about playing less selfishly by Chris Pronger, he brushed Pronger off. Carter & Richards divided the locker room last season with their ways. Lombardi didn’t do his homework here. He won’t have to worry about it long term because he won’t be the GM for the Kings
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Deirdre Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
@Eric, You knew that information wasn’t true before you posted it. You don’t like Richadrs and Carter, fine, but spinning inaacurate info about them says a whole lot about your lack of character.
I live in Philly and have followed tyhe Flyers for over thirty years. I’ve watched a lot of terrific players come and go and Richards was one of the easy ones to adkmire, like Howe, Poulin, Hextall and Brind’amour. Coming to LA to a much healthier locker room (free of Chris ‘massive tool’ Pronger, who was the problem as he was with the other 4 teams he was traded from) was the best thing for him.
There was no ‘anti drinking’ pact…Per Danny Briere on a FAN 590 interview in July when asked about Dry Island, he said it was no big deal, that Lavvy came in one day and said he was tryijg to loes weight and giving up booze. He wrote his name on the chalkboard and invited anybody to join. Briere said only about half the team wrote their names, and laughed about it.
Locker Room Per Chuck Gormley now of CSN Washington formarlly of the Burlington County Courier last May 26 in his blog interacting with fans, when asked aot the locker room . (IHe’s covered the team for years and one of the few objective reporters on the Flyers beat)
“By all the games I’ve covered, by everything I’ve seen and all the players I’ve talked to, Mike Richards is liked and respected by every player on the team .Not one player, on of off the record, would say a bad word about him.’ He also said that Pronger was respected by most of the players but liked by few. Frank Seravelli of the Daily News also said it was a tight locker room and the players wer close and Richards was the most popular player in it. He said that some media factons blew the tension due to the team downfall last spring out of proportion. That he and Carter divided the room is based on a handful of reporters, who didn’t like Mike. That’s it.
I get by your other comments your don’t Richards, that’s fine. I don’t understand why you would get pleasure from trolling things that aren’t true.
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Kinglers55 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
@Deirdre, You sir are 100% correct
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Sorry Deano, bad trade and probably one of the last nails in the coffin. Jack is a good player, wanted to be here and proved it by working w/out an agent and signed for below market value, then you shipped him out(+ a 1st round pick??!!??). Good luck finding another player willing to take below market value.
Not sure which is worse, Vachon trading for every discarded Oiler or Lombardi trying to bring in anyone he worked with the last 10 yrs.
You’re a great team builder Dean, just don’r tear it all apart before someone else can come in and finish it.
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red49er Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
@Blaked4, how ’bout Richards deal with Philly?
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Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:51 pm
@Blaked4, JJ is not a good D-man. Never was and never will be. And in my opinion the 4.35 mil a year for him is too much for the guy who is carrier -81 in only 289 games.
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5holer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
@Alex, Once again the most ridiculous stat in all of sports! There are 5 guys out there in plus minus circumstances (PPs and PKs don’t count for +/-). On a no puck possession team like LA is, ther is bound to be many minus guys. LAKs do not score well in 5 on 5 hockey for many years!! Get it? Stupid Stat for Stupid Hockey People! Media’s favorite to rip a player with! No manager counts it that much, too much blame to go around with 5 guys in those stats every time! Meaningless indeed and a bad analogy in my book! A puck mover will ALWAYS BE MISSED! Hard as H to replace also!! Slava is a must to do thjis or we are set back for years to come. JJ is an excellent puck mover, among top 5 in all hockey!! Ask real hockey people about him, not some schmuck beat reporters!! Fill one hole and make another that harder to fill…unless Slava does it…maybe so, but not today!!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:33 am
@5holer, Yet those other 5 guys didn’t get “victimized” like JJ did? Pfft!
http://hockeyanalysis.com/2012/02/23/just-how-bad-is-jack-johnson/
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:34 am
@5holer, I also liked how you called people stupid for looking at +/-.
– Lombardi said that in terms of potential trades beyond this, he has “absolutely nothing” right now but said he will be open to talks.
Clearly the Kings gave away more than they gained in this trade, but what strikes me as really surprising, is that this is all Dean has, if Monday comes and “smart” move doesn’t come in terms of a trade, and the Kings miss the playoffs, DL is gone. There’s absolutely no way I see him keeping his job, and as someone pointed out in one of the previous threads, is that this is basically about DL keeping his job, this isn’t a long term solution for the Kings.
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KingsFletch Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
@TheAcaciaStrain, Is DL under contract for next year/the future? Because if he is.. this ownership is WAY too cheap to cut him loose if he’s owed money. If his contract is up, he’ll be gone.. but if his contract extends a few more years, which i think it might, he’ll be staying until the cheap @$$ ownership we have doesn’t have to pay him when they fire him.
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Niko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
@KingsFletch,
I may be wrong, but I think he has 1 more
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In reporting on this trade, TSN.ca anchor team tracking trades notes strong that Brown is in play. As a long-time fan, I’d hate to sse him go. He puts a class face on the team, not to mention hitting.
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DL you better HOPE and PRAY this works out and doesn’t turn into another Dustin Penner deal. If you do.. you’re done. Don’t know how i feel about this trade but Carter you better be ready to play and not slack off like a punk.
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dustin brown? really?
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Brown is in play to be traded. Don’t be surprised if Brown and Bernier get packed in a deal for another scoring winger.
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boxtime17 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:15 pm
@Steevogt,
not happening… not Brown… maybe Bernier.. i would have much rather seen Bernier, Johnson, #1 pick plus a prospect for Nash…
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Lvhatrick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
@boxtime17, I’d trade Quick before Bernier. Quick will get you much more right now and Bernier will be a long term superstar goalie.
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Dilapidus Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
@Lvhatrick,
But there is no way on earth you take that gamble right now.
Lvhatrick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
@Lvhatrick, you’d have a much better chance of going further in the playoffs if you could get Nash for Quick and a prospect then what we have now.
King Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
@Steevogt, That makes no sense. We need wingers. Why trade them, especially one of our top 6 & captain?
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5holer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
@Steevogt, Yup it is a fact from my sources! Who on the front end is NOT in play? Bernier was never given a single opportunity to show case his immense talents! So letting him go elsewhere to show his stuff is better for him…i.e. Boyle, Cammy, Purcell, Simmonds, and so many more! Here’s a scary thought Mr DL! 2013 Summer and Quick up for resign! Bernier gone to elsewhere in 2012 summer, and low and behold Quick sign in the Eastern Conference, near his home sweet home! What then Marty Jones Or JS Berube? No its Zhatkoff in nets! Kings with that high priced forward talent cannot win a game for bad goaltending!! Yikes!! Beware! Will the next LAK GM please stand up…its Craig Button perhaps!! Nice move Liewecke!! Trading of Heart (Brown) and Hope (Bernier) will deaden a dead franchise for this decade!! These trades by DL are made at way too high a cost to the club! has there been a trade by DL that has paid off for LAKs yet? Can’t think of one! No not Carter trade either! Maybe after next year’s roster changes, perhaps? but no sooner!
Off to check my crystal ball again! Its Nash, Its Parise, no its just Super Lombardi in costume again!
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Dont understand. Dean said they were calling up Voy, that gives them still two extra D men sitting out. Plus westy. So why are you sending down a forward. Trade one of the extra D men and get another forward.
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5holer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
@gene, Good thought there! Reduce your strengths and get some more dead heads up front for a run to nowhere once again! Its old, its tired and it does not ever change much! Addition is not completed by subtraction from my math prowess! Addition is only a feature of adding two or more items together, right? (ala Darryl Sutter!). Add, no more subtracts!! Got Cap in Summer…Lots of Cap!! So chase and spend then, not now!! Voy is coming to step in for JJ on pair two and PP, some PK as well…can you say very speedy learning curve? 20 games to do it or see ya next year girls!
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So if DL doenst know if Nash was on the list ..does that mean DL never asked if Nash was available??? If DL didnt ask..he is more of a knucklehead then I thought….Also did DL ask Richards about the trade and what he thought??? Did DL ask the bartenders in the beach communties what they thought???
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no like this deal……JJ is underrated by most of the LA fans…. we shouldn’t have given up a #1 pick in this deal. good blueliners are hard to come by…..
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Steevogt Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
@boxtime17, Check JJ’s plus/minus. Yes, he’s a decent offensive player, but he makes a lot of mistakes in his own end. He has been a minus every single year in the league. And on a good defensive team.
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Cortex949 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
@boxtime17, Except we have a minor league team full of them
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bbb7 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
@Poonagi, Interesting analysis, and confirms my opinion that JJ was in fact OVERRATED by LA fans (altho to be fair, home town fans oveerate pretty much all their players).
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
@Poonagi, I’ve been hammered for bringing up his +/- before, but it’s useful in context, and thanks for that link, which demonstrates that point.
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Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
@boxtime17, Sorry but JJ is not a good blueliner.
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This is a bad move in so many ways. The team just showed how they will treat you if you are loyal and sign a reasonable contract without any bs like DD pulled. He wanted to be an LA and played like it every night and proved it by negotiating his own reasonable contract. I feel really bad for JJ. Carter will be a bust just like Penner. DL has torn down everything he built over the last few years with the Penner deal, Richards deal, and now this. Totally went backwards.
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boxtime17 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
@Lvhatrick,
I agree!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
@Lvhatrick, Yea Philly who has done it also really hurts when it comes to getting players. This will not factor into any future negotiations. Jack knew this could happen as he didn’t negotiate a No Trade Clause.
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krash324 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
@Lvhatrick, Disagree, the team is showing that we want to win and win now and in the future. Gretzky got traded, please get over JJ.
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Steve W Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:47 pm
@krash324, and look who the Kings got for him-nobodies. At least JJ for JC isn’t lopsided (Remember the Gasol NBA trade-that was highway robbery)!
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red49er Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
@Lvhatrick, So maybe this trade, and I hate to say it, proves DD8 correct in holding out for max. deal. So I guess I agree with you on this point, of why get rid off JJ, or at least it proves it is all business no matter what they tell you. But how can you say JC is going to suck like Penner? Penner is an enigma. A huge flop that no one foresaw. Maybe JC will suck too, but he has even suited up yet so that prediction/statement is really weak on logic.
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IceGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
@red49er,
No one foresaw?
Perhaps you might want to ask a few Oiler fans about that.
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stilts19 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
@Lvhatrick, I said the same thing. Undoing all of that work to build up our prospects and minor league team. Getting desperate like this will doom the Kings, AGAIN!!!!!
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RLane420 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
@Lvhatrick, we are not going to get top 6 forwards for garbage. I like JJ alot but we are heavy on D and vrey light on offence, what did you think was going to happen. You have to give to get.
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RLane420 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
@RLane420, should read very light
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I want to preface my statement by saying I’m not opposed to this trade, but how many times do we have to go with our “Plan B” option? It seems like in the last three years or so, when we’re trying to make a move, whether before the deadline or in the off season, we never get the “whale” we’re going after and instead we have to settle.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:21 pm
@Kings Fan in MN, Who says this is Plan B? When has Dean said they were after Nash? He said he was never in talks for Nash. It was Carter all the time.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
@Kings Fan in MN, It’s not really “Plan B.” It’s more like “Plan W.” GMs sit on the phone all day and 99% of the time they don’t get a sniff of something that would work. 99% of the time the stuff that would work for them doesn’t work for the other team, and vice-versa. Hell, I’m pretty sure you’re not only past the alphabet but past the greek alphabet as well.
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He’s Ok with the Big / Long Contract?
Hopefully he gone quickly and someone else can fix the mess.
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Gary Livingston Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
@KYerky,
It’s something like $2.5 a year only.
Right?
How’s that a problem compared to Nash’s $7.5 (or something close to that)?
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RLane420 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
@Gary Livingston, sounds like there is still room for Parise. Which with the Nash deal would have been much harder to aquire. Parise & Carter>Nash any day. But good luck with DL signing Parise.
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Dear Gagne,
Please heal quickly.
Gagne/Richards/Carter
Williams/Kopitar/Brown
as the top 2 gets me a little excited…
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@colo king fan,
Unfortunately our bottom 6 still looks like crap
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colo king fan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
@tacomakingsfan,
why you gotta say that to me man.. after that funeral of a hockey game i attended last night cant ya just let me live my fairy tale for a day or two!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:39 am
@colo king fan, I’d say it looks promising, particularly if King and Nolan play on the third line.
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I’ll have to see the full transcript, but I think Deano’s lying through his teeth on 2 things:
-There’s nothing in the works as far as additional moves.
-He doesn’t know if Kings were on Nash’s list.
I call BS on those, for sure.
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Rainman Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
@xeropoint, What do you expect from a pig but a grunt!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
@xeropoint, It doesn’t matter if the Kings are on Nash’s list or not. He didn’t want Nash and his close to 8 million dollar cap hit. He got a guy a potential 40 goal scorer locked up for a decade at a 5.2 million cap hit. That is awesome. he can also go after another forward or 2. Then go after Parise in the Summer and re-sign Quick. He would never of been able to do that with Nash on the payroll. He also said there are no potential moves because there aren’t all that there is, is talking to other GM’s. There is still 3 days until the deadline for that to change.
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RLane420 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm
@xeropoint, I agree, if he wasnt inquiring about Nash he should be fired for that alone. As a GM he wouldnt be doing his job if he didnt at least test the waters on Nash.
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Lombardi didn’t know if we were on Nash’s “list” because he never considered Nash. Nash is not an ex-Flyer.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
@snbrdsummit, Give me a break…This whole Flyers connection does not factor into any trades. It is more of a coincidence that we have so many Flyers. He also traded for Ryan Smyth who wasn’t a Flyer. He goes for the best player with the best fit at the time that the trsde is needed. Heck why wouldn’t he be after Flyers players if they become available, they been one of the best teams for years. DL didn’t go after Nash because of his Cap hit and what he would have had to give up. Carter was a better option, plus he could make more deals and have enough cap space for a run after Parise, who is better then Nash.
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absoludicrous Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
@Jeff_R, coincidence? really???
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
@absoludicrous, He doesn’t just make trades for Flyers. When we are in need he will consider all options. It is a coincidence that it happens to be Flyers that are available. He would consider all possibilities. Carter and Richards are both great deals and will help this team for the next 10 years.
Gustavo Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:43 pm
@Jeff_R,
You think he’ll go after Flyer wing Wayne Simmonds now that he’s on fire, lol?
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stilts19 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
@Jeff_R, DUDE,the guy was being sarcastic! duh….
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snbrdsummit Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
@stilts19,
Thanks bro. Glad someone is paying attention.
For everybody still WAY over-valuing JJ… read this article:
http://hockeyanalysis.com/2012/02/23/just-how-bad-is-jack-johnson/
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gmo Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
@Poonagi,
good find
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goldielocks Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
@Poonagi,
Some people are humanly impossible. Show some respect for the guy who worked hard and offered the reasonable contract for the organization.
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RLane420 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
@goldielocks, and had the LA tattoo on his ass.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:41 am
@goldielocks, I don’t think he’s waving it in JJ’s face, I just think he’s responding to people who just don’t get reality and are butt-hurt that JJ got traded. I was never a basher, but his defensive irresponsibility always bothered me, and I’m not disappointed to see him go.
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Can JC, The Savior, raise the Kings from the dead?
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I agree there is more to come, if this has been going foer a week ,then there is more smoke..
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puck73 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
@lakingbob(chi), I think so as well. Something had to be done, this offense is a joke,DEAD LAST IN THE NHL.
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From a CBJ blog:
The pick is conditional on whether or not the Kings make the playoffs, if they do, the pick is in June. If not, the pick is in 2013.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
@JackKent Cooke, Actually if the Kings make the playoffs Columbus has the choice of whether using it in 2012 or 2013. They have up until 2 picks before the Kings 2012 pick to decide.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
@JackKent Cooke, According to TSN, that is backwards. If the Kings make the playoffs this year, it is a 2013 pick. If they don’t, Columbus gets to pick whether they want a 2012 or 2013 1st.
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bbb7 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
@tkecanuck341, thats what they reported but it doesnt make sense that way… Columbus gets a HIGHER return (ie, choice of picks) if we fail to make the playoffs? Dont think so.
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JackKent Cooke Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
@bbb7,
Rich-help.
Ok DL, here are my suggestions as armchair GM:
Trade Bernier, Brown, Loktionov & 2012 1st round pick to Columbus for Nash and 2nd or 3rd round draft pick. (Columbus got 2013 1st round pick for Jack Johnson)
Resign Willie Mitchell for $3 million, Colin Fraser to $825k and, Dwight King to $600k.
Sign Zach Parise to multi-year deal at $6 million cap-hit.
Trade any combination of Stoll, Penner, & Hickey, along with the draft pick from Columbus to St. Louis for Chris Stewart (resigned as RFA for $3m/season).
Euthanize Scott Parse & waive Brad Richardson.
Starting Lineup:
Nash-Kopitar-Williams
Parise-Richards-Stewart
Gagne-Carter-Nolan
Clifford-Fraser-King
Doughty-Mitchell
Voynov-Scuderi
Greene-Martinez
Quick
Zatkoff or Jones from AHL
Scratches:
Westgarth/Drewiske/Lewis
Cap would need to go up to $67 million (increase of 2.3 million), which is much less than it has gone up the last few years.
Win Stanley Cup.
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gmo Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
@tkecanuck341,
that is quite the team there my friend
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Who Knows Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
@tkecanuck341, According to Lebrun.. the Cap will go up to 67-68 million for next year.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
@Who Knows, If it’s $68MM, then that’s that much more we can use to compete for Parise.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
@tkecanuck341, The only way we can get Parise and re-sign Quick is if we don’t get Nash. Nash is not going to be a King. It is Carter and possibly 1 or 2 more forwards. If we got Nash we wouldn’t of been able to get much of anything else.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
@Jeff_R, Not true…next season, you let Scuderi go, and you have Drewiske be your #6 defenseman. You’re then free to sign Quick to a $5m/year contract (or more if the cap goes up). If you want to keep Scuderi, then you let Gagne go at the end of next season and you put Kozun or Toffoli in his place.
If you keep Gagne, defense looks like this:
Mitchell-Doughty
Greene-Voynov
Drewiske-Martinez
If you keep Scuderi, offense looks like this:
Nash-Kopitar-Williams
Parise-Richards-Stewart
Toffoli-Carter-Nolan
Clifford-Fraser-King
Very doable…
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IceGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
@tkecanuck341,
Please – Gagne is done. Why he isn’t on the LTIR, I have no idea. One more hit and the guy could become a slurring veg. It’s not fair to Gagne, and certainly not the Kings. He’s done. Quit dreaming. Move on.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
@IceGuy, That’s why I said let him go…
OK … I still don’t like this deal but maybe I was wrong about accusing DL. If Nash will stay with CBJ after the deadline, Carter would be the only big gun in the market. And if that’s the case, I guess DL had to make a deal as soon as possible cause we need a goal scorer right away. So he’s more realitic than any of us.
Well … what’s done is done so if Carter is excited to join the Kings, I welcome him with open arms and wish the best.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
@goldielocks, Wait to see what we do by the deadline and see if you are happy. I rather have Carter and say Pomminville/Stafford then Nash or whatever else we end up with.
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Craig Button is a MAJOR DBag!!..
According to this pathetic and disgruntled La Kings GM wannabe, now that JJ is gone LA has only one defense man worth anything on the blue line (Doughty). He doesn’t think much of Willie Mitchell, Rob Scuderi and Matt Greene….OK, let’s see how it all pans out now.
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Steve W Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
@Gustavo, I mentioned it before, but he also thought that Hull’s ‘Skate in the crease’ OT goal against Buffalo in the SC final was good (he was the Stars GM at the time).
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:43 am
@Gustavo, Craig Button may as well be Dick Button, for what he apparently knows.
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World record holder for being the biggest whiner / loser / weasel Craig Button is against the trade for careedr plus 40 Jeff Carter so it must be a good deal…
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Steevogt Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm
@jess, Button seriously has it out for the Kings.
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goldielocks Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
@jess,
Yea. He basically said this is the win deal for CBJ but not for LAK.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
@goldielocks, He also said after Doughty we don’t have any other defenseman. That the loss of Jack and Lubo hurts the team. What a bozo.
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jess Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:43 pm
@Jeff_R,
Yeah so Voynov and Mitchell and Martinez and Scuds with a cup ring are completely out of consideration? Putz..
KingMe20 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
@jess,
Craig Button has been angling for the GM job in LA ever since he got to NHL Network.
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Hate to spoil the party, but looking at Youtube highlights of Carter doesn’t impress me. I don’t see any special skills like skating or puck handling. Like I said he more like a “Charlie Simmer” type…just stand their and pounce on the rebound.
You mean to say we don’t have anybody that can do that???!!!
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Poonagi Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
@rogiesbackup, we don’t. look at how few goals we score… nobody’s doing the dirty work. and anyway, that’s a terrible analysis. that’s like saying Corey Perry isn’t impressive because he does that same thing.
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jess Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
@rogiesbackup,
Spoil this:
Career games Kopitar: 496, Goals scored 155, career minus 14
Career games Carter: 500, Goals scored 196, career plus 40
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
@rogiesbackup, He’s a sniper he stands there receives a pass and scores. In the slot or at the net. Something our team hasn’t done since Smyth, Zeus and Simmonds left.
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King Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
@rogiesbackup, Yeah, Charlie Simmer sure sucked. He only made the Triple Crown Line gel & flourish & scored a boatload of goals. Unfortunately Bobby Orr & Wayne Gretzky were not available.
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I have nothing against Jack Johnson, but it amazes me how many people across North America are all of a sudden saying that Jack Johnson is one of the best defenceman in the league. Out of all the 285 defenceman currently in the NHL, Jack Johnson ranks 269th in plus/minus and this is on a very good defensive team. What does that tell you? I like him, he’s decent offensively, but he makes a lot of mistakes in his own end and he is not one of the best defencemen in the league. I seriously wonder if anyone outside of this forum actually watches Kings’ games.
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Steevogt Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
@Poonagi, Thank you for that. I’m just astonished looking around North America at various websites and finding that pretty much everyone is calling Jack Johnson a “top defenceman” and what a steal it was for Columbus. It’s laughable.
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Niko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
@Steevogt,
It’s hilarious!
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Chucker Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
@Poonagi, those stats are ridiculous and nonsensical. At the time of the trade JJ has as many goals and points as Mitchell, Greene, and AMart combined.
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HockeyAnalysis Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@Chucker, Johnson has 14 of his 24 points on the PP which means he has 10 even strength points. Mitchell also has 10 and Greene has 9. Johnson has played 1049:05 even strength minutes, Mitchell 958:02 and Greene 823:46. At even strength both Mitchell and Greene have out produced Johnson, and offense isn’t what Mitchell and Greene are asked to do. Johnson gets his points because of opportunity (playing with good players, on the PP, etc.) and not so much because of ability. And defensively, he is atrocious.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:45 am
@Steevogt, Great take. You win 1k internets!
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This trade should of been o Presidents day jimmyCARTER- lyndon b. JOHNSON B. JOHNSON
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Possible omen-it’s 46 degrees and raining in Columbus.
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Dean Lombardi spoke with the national media during a conference call to address the Jeff Carter trade on 2/23/12.
http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hcatid=731&id=159762&cmpid=LAK|KV|Carter|TW
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Brown plays RW. Now that we have Carter, Brown can go back to his natural side. I also see this as a perfect opportunity to shake up the entire roster. I am hoping to see an energized team starting with Kopi.
If DS wants to call me, here how I would set the lineup on Sat.
King Kopi Nolan (all big guys that play hard)
Carter Richards Williams (Phillymarity with each other)
Richardson Lewis Brown (Everyone back to their normal positions)
Clifford Fraser Stoll (limited minutes, stay out of the penalty box)
Voynov – Mitchell (good)
Doughty – Scuderi (good)
Martinez – Greene (good)
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King Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
@UglyinLA, I would not put the 2 rookies on the top line. No way, no how. But that’s just my opinion.
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Mars Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:50 pm
@UglyinLA, Agree, JJ was good, but we already had a replacement piece. This will help plug a hole in our offense. It was a good trade. I would have hoped we didnt have to give up a pick though. JJ for Carter was a straight up good trade.
I am very hopeful on this, I dont think it will go the way of Penner, I think the rumored attitude issues with Carter were because of where (BJ’s) he was traded. I mean how would you feel going there (sorry JJ, but you will be treaded like a King there, yes pun intended)
Hopefully we get Gags back soon too, things are staring to go the right way in terms of line up and health.
Wonder how the Parse thing will work out next year too.
We still have JQ and JB, Voynov can replace JJ and we have some new netting talent, all around this is looking good.
Keep it positive guys, we need to rally behind our team too. I for one was getting bummed pissed and jaded, it doesnt do us good. Doesnt do our team good, lets get it going.
G0 Kings Go!
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Chucker Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
@Mars, if Parse is a healthy King next year I will be very very happy.
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UglyinLA Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
@Mars,
Thanks for the acknowledgement.
I hope Gags comes back soon, but I have my doubts. I have a feeling he is going to go the way of Marc Savard (BOS).
I agree with your take on Carter. Being sent to Columbus must have felt like being forced to marry ugly Betty. Now since Carter is free again, he can party with his buddies and do some ass whooping. People forget that Carter is a big guy 6-3 200+ and can skate. Also, Carter played the last four games of the 2009 PITT-PHi series with a separated shoulder.
I just dont understand how some Kings fans are questioning his work ethic. Are they watching the Columbus games on satellite?
In any event, I hope DL is done dealing. Play the game.
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UglyinLA Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
@UglyinLA,
I got the idea last Saturday when Bob Miller reflected on how Charlie Simmer and Dave Taylor were put on the line with Marcel Dionne, thus was born the Triple Crown Line. Albiet King and Nolan are not Simmer and Taylor, it could still have a similar effect.
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Mars Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
@UglyinLA, Now that is really getting my hopes up! I LIKE IT
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Chucker Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
@UglyinLA, No let’s go all out. 1st line: Carter Kopi Richards!!!! Then…Brown Lokti Williams…King Stoll Nolan…Richardson Fraser Lewis. Send Clifford down!!!!
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Mars Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
@Chucker, I am sure; we will see lots of variations coming, even when something is working, they will want to find the best possible line, I would not be surprised to see it.
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This is los angeles and it’s not show friends, it’s show business.Had to get a scoring winger and the casualty is Jack Johnson, so be it. Let’s go Kings!
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JC was a bad signing by Columbus. They brought in a shooter to play with another shooter (Nash). Bad move by the Columbus GM. Carter will be a sniper playing with Richards & I imagine he will see some time with Kopi too. JJ is a great guy & I wish him well but we have depth in D. Look how many Dmen we have in the pipeline. I also think VV has got to be the happiest King of them all right now. There is no longer any reason for VV to be in Manchester.
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IndioKingFan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
@King Alex, It wasn’t a signing it was a trade with the Flyers
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King Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
@IndioKingFan, My mistake. Bad trade. Can’t play shooters with shooters.
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IndioKingFan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 11:35 pm
@King Alex, Columbus made a bad trade (Carter) and signing (Wisnewski) Their GM felt they needed to make the playoffs this year and he panicked.
Lombardi just signed his termination papers. This will be another “Penner-type” trade. Our prospects pool better be deeper than it appears or we’re right back to being the Kings of the Larry Robinson era, crappy!!!
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jess Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
@stilts19,
Comparing penner to carter is just plain being un-informed of the facts:
Penner games played: 469, goals: 133 career minus 14
Carter games played: 500, goals: 196 career plus 40
Quit comparing Carter to Penner folks!
Just stop it…
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Mars Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
@jess, I agree.
I think they are concerned about his so called attitude problem or whatever.
I think that had to do with being bumped from Philly to the BJ’s, losing friends and his team turning on him.
Now he will have a better home, better climate and a few friendly faces around again.
This is good.
Plus we all need to get off the negative nancy wagon.
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Poor JJ. Have you guys ever been to Columbus?
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Mars Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
@Tony in Denver, Yeah, I feel bad for JJ, but it was a trade we can and do need.
He is on the list of guys welcome back (Simms, Zeus come to mind right now)
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KingMe20 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
@Tony in Denver,
Worse yet, Jack went to Michigan… they’re going to looooooove that there.
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Also, may I state the obvious…. We’re out of the Nash sweepstakes.
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Where are these Brown rumors coming from? Source?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm
@Subby, Bob Mckenzie TSN
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Wikipedia already has Jeff Carter listed as:
a Canadian professional ice hockey centre for the Los Angeles Kings of the National Hockey League
Now thats funny.
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Steve W Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
@UglyinLA, As people mentioned in a previous post, he is also listed as an alternate captain.
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This trade is the only positive thing DL made recently.
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Now we have that 1 2 3 punch down the middle ;]
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goldielocks Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
@Subby,
Let’s make it 1 2 3 4!
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This trade does fill a need. However the Kings could still use another scorer. The way the team is right now I don’t see the Kings getting out of the first round if they make the playoffs
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
@IndioKingFan, If Carter and Richards get hot anything can happen in playoffs.
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I don’t really care for this deal, but even if it works out, I think everyone is overlooking the most distressing part!!
Dean said he didn’t know if the Kings were on Nash’s list…… Really!??!!
that can only mean that (1) he never inquired about Nash or (2) feels Carter is a better player/fit than Nash.
I’m not a GM, but how is that possible? I though he always said he would look at all options.
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Niko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
@blaked4,
DL never reveals anything about trades until they’re done. He’s obviously full of it
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Carter just posted a hat trick the other night. When penner gets a hat trick, may pigs soar like eagles over pluto…
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Mars Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
@jess, Best line of the night!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:51 am
@jess, I agree in principle, but IIRC, about 15 games ago, he missed the net on a shot that would have given him a hat trick. Of course those two goals were kinda lonely all by themselves in several games. He occasionally shows you the guy you think you should see every night.
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well, if you look past this season, having Richards, Carter, Kopi, Brown, DD, etc (if the finish better than we started), might make the LA Kings a more interesting place for a first rate offensive weapon to join…maybe Carter isnt the last piece of the puzzle…just for now.
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jess Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
@jack, well said
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:53 am
@jack, Yeah, I was thinking about that earlier. If some kind of miracle happens in the offseason (you never know, because Sutter hasn’t had one with the Kings yet, and you never know what calls get made for transactions that can take place) the team might gel and get frighteningly good.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:54 am
That, and sometimes teams don’t come together on the year they’re assembled. Sometimes they need some time to figure each other out.
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Also, there is absolutely no way on earth to really guess how a player will perform when traded. I think the Penner deal is jading everyone’s view. As long as the coaches are reasonable and know how to use their assets, things should work…maybe the reason Penner doesnt click is that he is system mismatched, and hasnt had the will or smarts to get himself involved.
The system is generating chances to score, otherwise there would be no reason to be frustrated by our inability to finish…
Just stay away from the boards unless your gonna smush someone there!!
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The NHL network tore this apart saying O starts with D and it was a big mistake. Marty McSorley and the guys on the Edmonton intermission said it was a mistake. They questioned Carter, said he was slow and so are Richards and Kopitar so they will never keep up. They also said Dean needs to get out of his comfort zone and get away from Flyers.
It was obvious to everyone, his job rides on this.
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chip Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
@WTF, Then the logical next step is fire Lombardi, and hire someone who wants the Kings to be just like the Red Wings?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:56 am
@WTF, The irony of the cronyism isn’t lost on me, since McSorley was supposedly a required component of the Gretzky trade and that started an “Oilers south” era.
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here’s another forum to debate and discuss the deal…
http://deepinsidethekings.com/2012/02/we-got-carter/
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