As is being widely reported this afternoon, the Kings are talking to Columbus about a possible deal for Jeff Carter. TSN’s Bob McKenzie has mentioned that Jack Johnson might be the player going the other way, and I can confirm that as a strong possibility. Stay tuned…things could happen very quickly.
[UPDATE: I'm told that Carter would need to pass a physical -- standard operating procedure -- but that if the trade goes through tonight, he could be in the lineup for the Kings on Saturday.]
well geez
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UglyinLA Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@letswinthecup2012,
Well, I hope Columbus had to take Penner too.
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USHA#17 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@UglyinLA,
Should trade Doughty straight across perhaps with Columbus throwing in a pick.
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California Royalty Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
@USHA#17, Wow. That’s a terrible trade.
joe Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
@USHA#17,trade doughty not johnson
DEH Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@USHA#17, Throw in Nash, add Bernier and a pick and we have a deal.
USHA#17 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
@California Royalty and DEH
Tongue in cheek there…granted not obvious.
I was thinking about being saddled with two long term contracts and how any trade except one too good/lopsided to turn down, would not be smart right now. There is 20 games left for a team going nowhere…why blow it up now?
McSorleyfan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
@USHA#17, um… mental.
stickboy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
@USHA#17, agreed
DiggerRocket Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@letswinthecup2012, Please don’t be another loafer.
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dahack11 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@letswinthecup2012, I don’t like it….
This is worse than the Penner contract.
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@letswinthecup2012, What are we going to do with another center? Kopitar, Richards, Stoll, Loktionov, Lewis, Richardson, Nolan, & Fraser are all natural centers. If this happens, we will have 3 full lines of centers on the active roster, and still be incredibly short on wingers.
If this ends up being JMFJ & Bernier for Carter, I’ll be pissed.
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Nick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
@tkecanuck341, I believe Carter played wing in Philly with Richards at center.
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
@tkecanuck341,
DL LOVES his centers.
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tim chaney Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@letswinthecup2012, dl is going to get fired if its jj and bernier…
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luc20rules Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
@tim chaney, If its JJ & Bernier it better come with Nash or a #1 with Penner leaving.
I would still like to grab Jussi Jolkinen. We need a good Lefty that has shown over 5 years he’s 53%+ in faceoffs, and a guy that 50%+ in shootouts. I think a #2 pick should get it done, or maybe a prospect Hickey maybe? If we go for it we may as well fill all the holes.
I would also let Clifford sit out one game just to settle and maybe see the way the game looks from up in the booth. When you watch the game from up high it looks more like Xs & Os, and the plays and consequences of turnovers in the Defensive Zone.
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Snoop dogg Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
@letswinthecup2012, Don’t like that at all.
I like Jeff Carter but not for JJ.
Make it for Loktionoff or Stoll or Clifford or prospects.
Not JJ.
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Soureen Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
@Snoop dogg, I was praying not to loose JMFJ
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DanD Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
@Snoop dogg, JJ is the most expendable player. We have a plethora of dmen ready to play in the NHL. JJ is an above average defender at best. Beggars can’t be choosers. You want scoring? Gotta bet big to win big.
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Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
@DanD, JJ never was and never will be a good D-Man. I Thing he should of been playing wing. Do not have a problem to do this trade. Yes it’s a long contract but very nicely priced at 5.25mil a year. You give back 4.35mil of JJ salary than at years end you have Stoll and Penners salary gone and we do have plenty of cap space to go get couple of good players on the free agency.
it's good to be the king Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:31 pm
@letswinthecup2012, Two stats to think about….
1)In the last four seasons Prior to this season only Ovechkin, Kovalchuck, Iginla, and Heatley have scored more than the 144 goals that Carter has scored.
2)Since the beginning of the 2007-2008 season, Johnson’s rookie year, he has far and away the worst minus rating in the league at minus-85. (Brendan Witt, at minus-60, is next closest.)
As a kings fan losing the potential of JMFJ is tough but ultimately the stat above is a very telling stat. It would be a lot tougher to lose him if the kings didnt have Voynov(33gms, 11pts, +4 & 3 yrs younger) ready to replace him.
In my humble opinion the only possible downside to me is the length of carter’s contract but we shall see….
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Carter will be skating with us on Saturday…
BFF’s together forever..
Could be a good thing…
Had to shake up this team.
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SLIM Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@SLIM,
I’m thinking they should date
Paris and Lindsay..
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Buster Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
@SLIM,
\Do you want them on the LTIR after dating those two?
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@Buster,
You mean house arrest?
Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@FKA PakiFro, if nothing else they’ll have an itch that the didn’t have before…
Well if that means Voynov comes back up…then I’m all for it. Voynov will only get better…we need a shakeup.
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jackyboy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@Cruiznblue, Oh yeahhhhhhhhh!!! Thank u DL!!!!!!!! I hope its an even swap
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Cruiznblue Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
@Cruiznblue,
Think about it…maybe we could FINALLY move DB down to the 3rd line where he belongs with the addition of Carter and getting Gagne back.
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Jgomez Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
@Cruiznblue, AMEN! I would love that for sure. He would out muscle/skill 3rd line players and get back to scoring 20 goals like he use to! OH MAN! Too much excitement haha
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LETSDOTHIS!! Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
@Cruiznblue, don’t hold breathe on Gagne. I still say he goes LTIR for another player.
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bmova Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@Cruiznblue, What an idea. One of our leading goal scorers the last few seasons should be on the third line!
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Cruiznblue Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
@bmova,
funny huh? doesnt take much to be one of the leading scorers on this team.
RobSD Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
@bmova,
I agree. He has been the most consistent guy through the past few seasons with the exception of Kopi. Brown deserves a top 6 roll but he could also be a 3rd liner because of his tunnel vision. He might actually do better because he does it all himself. He and Stoll just put their heads down and go… Brown tries to take it to the net and Stoll just dumps it. Besides Stoll’s faceoff ability, he is useless. Bon voyage Stoll and Penner.
Token Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
@bmova, Fro scored just fine from the third line. Made everyone score fine.
It’s a matter of perspective. Some guys make whatever line better, some guys don’t. DB is in the second category.
We have finishers, we just don’t got guys to glue it all together, win those tough board battles and drop a kidney in the crease.
Smyth, Fro, Zus, Sims… You are missed dearly.
Too bad they stank up their final seasons.
Jericho Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
@bmova, yes very funny especially when one of those seasons he got most of his goals with Frolov and Handzus in the 3rd line
Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
@bmova, Actually it could be a very interesting line. But with Loktionov DB and Clifford
Don’t do it Dean.
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Bob Bobson Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
@mrbob25, Agreed, the term is too long and takes him beyond age 35! Dean-o don’t be a sucker and take on another GM’s mistakes. Even if we make the playoffs Carter does not take us very far and I shudder not only at the contract term but also what it will take to get him b/c JJ + 1st round pick will not be enough.
The time is NOT now!
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
@Bob Bobson, The last 3 years of his contract are for 3,2, and 2 mil. Doubt he would even play it out. His cap hit is only 5.2 so he is a bargain. Ruutu just signed in Car for 4.75.
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Bob Bobson Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@Osaka, True, he could retire but it’s the years leading up to retirement I am concerned about. How effective will he be for that cap hit when he is 32+? He is already 27 so after 5 years (and with half his contract left) I could see him being a dead weight on our cap hit.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:19 pm
@Osaka, Hooray for the AHL! He could clear waivers and be the leading scorer for Manchester.
Ken Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
@Bob Bobson, Going to quote Brian Burke here “I’m not interested in just making the playoffs and getting my ass kicked”. I’m all for a shakeup, but would prefer to shake up the forwards rather then our defense. This move sound desperate from a desperate GM.
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Snoop dogg Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
@Ken, Good call. I agree. The kings are young. Crap takes time.
Don’t screw it up now. Hold on to the core guys. JJ is one of them.
JWR Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
@Bob Bobson,
Well only grace in taking on that contract is that the NTC/NMC was voided when Philly traded him. So if he developes “Penner”itus he could be traded or waived to the AHL ala Wade Redden.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
@Bob Bobson,
If Dean does it this is a short term Hail Mary for no other reason than to make the playoffs and save his job. We’re not getting out of the first round any way you slice it or dice it. So why would you give up JJ for a guy who didn’t work out in Columbus? Dean always gets us Plan B and this is no exception. We developed JJ, we’ve watched him get better and better, we signed him to a very managable contract as part of the core of our team going forward and Dean’s going to give him up so he can get 5 or 6 games into the playoffs and call it good?? You shouldn’t have to give up Jack to get Carter. CBJ will be happy with a prospect a pick and to get out from under his contract.
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LB Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@mrbob25,
Why not? a proven 30 goal scorer in the prime of his career at a reasonable annual cap hit…for a #3 defenseman.
How is this not good for a Kings team struggling mightily to score goals?
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Morgueanna Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@LB,
Exactly how many 30 goal scorers have we traded for in the past three years? How has that turned out for us? Gagne, Richards, Penner (20 but still), the list goes on. We trade for goal scorers EVERY YEAR and as soon as the Kings uniform is on, their touch is gone.
Not to mention as soon as they leave our team again, wow, look at their numbers!
There is something fundamentally wrong with our system, the coaching and our approach to the game. It’s NOT the players.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
@Morgueanna, ….what do you want to trade for….no goal scorers?….we allready have those…DL has to do something as many here have stated…and JC is about as good a deal as we’re gonna get…
Heshootshescores Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
@LB, How bout Foot and Knee, maybe thats a good reason not to get this guy, hes a liabilty, and for what, to cover whats left of a bad season?
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tkecanuck341 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
@LB, Did we get a #2 defenseman and no one told me about it?
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LB Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
@tkecanuck341,
Am I the only one that conisders Mitchell more valuable to the team than Johnson? Plus Voynov can give us everything that Johnson has with a better +/-, once he has some more experience.
tkecanuck341 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
@LB, I like Scuderi more than Mitchell.
40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@LB, Penner, Richards, Gagne, and Brown are all “proven 30 goal sccorers” too. What would make one think for even a minute this guy will come in to our system and light it up?
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LB Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
@40YearKingsFan,
So than what kind of player should the Kings trade for? Guys that never scored more than 15 goals?
Roger Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
@40YearKingsFan, players not broke system is broke
Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
@LB, Agree
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RobSD Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@mrbob25,
He got a hat trick the other night. When is the last time a King had a hat trick??? Plus I think because this team is young, he will fit in. Flyers West! Bon Voyage to the worst plus/minus since entering the league. I think he is playing better but he is a huge liability. He would be better on the wing.
What’s up with AMart being turned inside out lately?
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jk28 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
@RobSD, how can you smash jj on plus minus when this team can’t score their way out of a paper bag? He mostly plays against the opposing top lines.
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Three Machine Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
@jk28, Finally somebody else who notices this! He seems to always be against the other teams top line or out with our fourth line against their second. And what we needed was not another sniper, we needed front net presence guys to play on the second and third lines and screen the goalie or just get in the way and mcreate some chaos. We always make it too easy on the other teams goalies
JD Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@mrbob25, He’s going to screw the team long term, just tryin to save his own butt
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But when exactly do you mean??? See I’ve already waited too long…and all my hope is gone…
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Ravens Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
@Stuart, How soon in Now
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Ravens Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@Ravens, I mean How soon is now…Smiths song that line is from
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SLIM Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
@Ravens,
welcome back..And I got the reference..
Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@Ravens, indeed!
another line that would fit…
so you go and you stand on your own [at Staples]…and you leave on your own [after another home loss]…and you go home and you cry and you want to die [but instead you jump on the insider blog and commiserate with everyone else]…
Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@Ravens, Just listening to that song last night.
408kingsfan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@Ravens,
I like “I’ll do it tomorrow” by that old band wall of voodoo. That was my favorite
Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
@Ravens, Good to see ya (under the circumstances).
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Ravens Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@Dominick, been away A long time I know….family stuff, then when I was able to get connected again, I thought it better to just keep my anger away from here
I hope DL is doing this to improve the team now and in the future and not some kind of panic move.
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Your late. Heard about this three hours ago.
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Rich Hammond Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
I’m thrilled for you.
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Cruiznblue Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
@Rich Hammond,
haha!
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ehdx3 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@Rich Hammond, +1000
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THEFL Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@Rich Hammond, that was awesome….
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@Rich Hammond,
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Dan H. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@Rich Hammond,
HAHA. I don’t sense ANY sarcasm Rich. Love it.
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andy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
@downsy89, you just got served.
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Josh Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
@Rich Hammond, Like!
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Jgomez Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
@Rich Hammond, And the HAMMER strikes!
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TheRussianKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@Rich Hammond, My hero!
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@Rich Hammond,
Rich, you rock!
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He Shoots, He Scores Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@Rich Hammond,
Nice – others value your journalistic integrity – you’re not a twitter speculator.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@Rich Hammond,
I believe that would be a Zing!
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LB Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@Rich Hammond, LOL
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California Royalty Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@Rich Hammond, Haha YYYYES!
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KingsGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@Rich Hammond, That brought a tear to my eye – Beautiful, LMAO!
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
@Rich Hammond, Boom!!!
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KingsJML Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
@Rich Hammond,
And that is why we love you Rich!
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Spidey35 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
@KingsJML, +1
Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
@Rich Hammond, …careful RH…you might be moderated…
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Cruiznblue Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
@Downsy89,
Then why didn’t you say something?
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Lithium Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
@Downsy89, Also, it is “you’re” not “your”. Double burn.
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Nick L. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
@Lithium, You beat me to it.
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California Royalty Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Lithium, Hahahaha!
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Keeper Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@Downsy89, You’ve just been HAMMERED!!!
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Just because Downsey89 has a 4G phone from AT&T, that’s no reason for you guys to give him a hard time.
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Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Dominick, more like 5G…he heard about it last week… LOL
He’s been Hammonized!!!
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Gary Livingston Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
@Downsy89,
*you’re
*sigh*
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
@Downsy89,
My granddaddy once told me “If ya dont want to get e’t by a b’ar, dont stick yer head in its mouf”
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colo king fan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
@Downsy89,
**You’re
And the difference is you can believe it when you read it here.
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MK Ultra Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@Downsy89, “You’re”
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DBking Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
@Downsy89, While you’re so wired in, can you tell us Rick Nash’s temperature?
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Staying tuned, Rich!
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So is it only JJ? I am actually fine with that. Like I had said on the other post, Carter currently has 15g in 39 games while Nash is at 20g in 60 games.
Are we saving JB for another trade?
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Timbo from Canada Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
@Jgomez, I hope so, getting Carter is huge but we do need another shake up – say Dustin Brown, Penner and Bernier for Nash? That would get us past the Sharks and make it really interesting in the playoffs
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@Timbo from Canada, With Carter we are not getting Nash. However we might be getting another forward possibly from Buffalo or somewhere else.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
@Jeff_R, ….Pominville….Stafford….
Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
@Jeff_R, Hope it will be Van Riemsdyk
Jgomez Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Timbo from Canada, If Gagne can come back, that can be a very good top 6.
Williams-Kopi-Nash
Gagne-Richards-Carter
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Roger Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
@Jgomez, yeah thats what everyone thought at the beginning of the season its Not the players it IS the system
Dilapidus Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
@Timbo from Canada,
I’d love that deal, but I think it’s JB (plus cap cleaners) for Semin.
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IceGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Jgomez,
Geez – if they want JJ so badly, MAKE THEM take Penner as well.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@IceGuy, Some other GM will get fleeced by Penner. Maybe Burkie will take him.
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RobSD Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@Jgomez,
Have to lock up Quick long term before dealing Bernier. Could end up getting screwed if Quick decided he wanted a change of scenery.
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Jgomez Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@RobSD, Very very true. I was haunted by this thought last night. I hope they work on an extension very soon on him because I would hate to lose the best goalie i’ve seen in a kings uniform.
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Roger Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
@RobSD, What if Mitchell leaves?
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The trade is probably done…just not announced officially pending Carter passing the physical.
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Don’t do it Dean. Jack is our best defenseman right now!!!! I want Carter but not at that price!!!
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Aaron Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@chip33, You are insane! Our BEST defenseman?! What games have you been watching? The guy doesn’t even know how to play defense. He constantly turns the puck over, is a step behind everyone, and every shot he takes from the point is either wide or blocked. We only need one overpriced offensive defenseman and we’re gonna be stuck with him for a long time.
Oh, and did you see JJ in the shootout? Come on… best defenseman is absurd!
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Timbo from Canada Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Aaron, Agreed!!! My question was why was JJ taking the shootout shot over Kopi?
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JWR Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
@Timbo from Canada,
I do believe Kopi either took a puck or a missed high stick and was off the ice for the end of OT. I can only think he was not ready to take a shootout chance.
LB Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@chip33,
He’s our #3 defenseman…and with Voynov only getting better, Johnson is very expendable.
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tantrum4 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
@chip33,
Johnson is our worst defenseman by FAR. -95 for his career tells it all. See ya!
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RobSD Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@chip33,
Worst +/- since entering the league. Look at these stats and tell me plus minus isn’t a valid statistic in the long term.
7. Nicklas Lidstrom, Plus-432
You probably knew, or assumed, that the Detroit Red Wings defenseman/captain/advanced-technology android was the active career plus/minus leader. You may not know he’s a plus-432, which is a plus-151 better than the No. 2 active guy (Jaromir Jagr). He’s No. 11 all-time in plus/minus, a plus-12 behind the late Brad McCrimmon.
6. Jack Johnson, Minus-81
The Los Angeles Kings defenseman joined the team before its late-decade resurgence, but his status as a minus man has continued. Johnson’s minus-21 last season was a career low, in the same season he posted a career-high 42 points. He was a minus-4 in the 2005-06 World Juniors. He was a minus-4 at worlds last season. It’s like he’s allergic to being a plus player. But the real kicker: He’s a minus-81 in just 297 games.
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egold44 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
@RobSD, Detroit has been a winning team; LA has been a losing team. +/- gets tilted as a result. Much rather keep JJ locked up at his salary cap hit for the Kings future than take Carter as a quick fix now. Flyers dealt Richards/Carter because of poor playoff performance, and we already traded for 1 of the 2 players that was worth adding to our mix. Nash or bust.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
@egold44, …think you’ve been out voted…
colo king fan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
@chip33,
I saw him slap a couple of 9 irons 4 feet over the net last night. As much as I like his attitude the Kings need a shake up; they need room for Voynov; oh and Carter just had a hat trick the other night – which, if you’re scoring at home, is almost as many goals as the Kings had for the week.
Only thing I’d do is increase the offer a little and try and get Umberger too.
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Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
@chip33, Best defenseman????????? R u kidding??????? Not even close
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Crossing my fingers, toes, and eyes that we didn’t overpay.
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Not Jack!:’(
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Well folks, if Rich is reporting it here, its a done deal. Now its just a matter of finding out the specifics…
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Pumpernicholl Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@sparky, Rich is (rightly so) not in the habit of reporting passing rumors. I truly appreciate that he makes sure there’s something real going on before posting.
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Oh good! The Kings are short on centers and former-Flyers. This will help fill those two voids.
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Aaron Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
@CL, I agree 100% Why can’t we ever trade for a natural winger instead of plugging these centers into roles they’re not comfortable with.
If the rumors are true that Philly got rid of Carter and Richards because they were partying too much in Philly, that shouldn’t be a problem in L.A. right? I don’t mind trading JJ. In fact, I was praying we’d get rid of the overrated putz, but would’ve been much happier if he was included in a deal for Nash… sigh… hope I’m wrong…
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
@Aaron, ….Carter played wing on Richards line so I thimnk he’s comfortable with it….can see it now…Carter-Richards-Gagne….deja vu…..
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
@Deke’r, …I thimnk alot…
vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@CL,
Need…more…Flyers…on…this…team….
Who else is available? Does Bryz have a no trade? Bryz for Bernier straight up.
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colo king fan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
@CL,
Don’t worry the color change to orange and black is coming in the next year or two.. LOL!
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ILLEGALSTICK33 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
@colo king fan, Like I said before….The Los Angeles Oil Flys!!!
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Roger Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
@colo king fan, good one
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Ugh…I hate seeing a guy that did the right thing for the team and hismelf and didn’t hold out get shipped out but I see why he’s such an ideal pickup for other teams.
Carter’s contract on the other hand….isn’t so cap friendly.
they don’t want Bernier instead? Send the guy that never plays.
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Helvetica Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
@Dan H., I don’t think the contract is that bad cap-wise, it’s just really long.
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He Shoots, He Scores Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
@Helvetica,
5.2 ain’t bad – leaves a lot more room than Nash would have.
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BFSTYLE33 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@Dan H., Maybe JJ did that so that he is cap friendly and easier to move. Maybe he wanted out of here. If you ask me, that’s a brilliant move on his part.
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Token Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@BFSTYLE33, Bingo! Winner!
JMFJ a Michigan boy.
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Pumpernicholl Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@Dan H., Carter’s contract is actually cap-friendly for the caliber of player he is. Also teams like the Rangers are showing that long multi-year contracts are not necessarily going to kill your ability to ice a top-level team.
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Kuffs Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@Dan H.,
Think on of Carter biggest upside is that it is VERY cap friendly.
5,27 is a real bargain for a player of his caliber.
However…the lenght of the contract is awful, and i’m not that glad to ship JJ for it.
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Dan H. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@Kuffs,
this could be…but remember you reduce numbers by 1/3 by coming to LA and the cap hit is the same
I kid I kid.
sort of.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@Dan H.,
He didn’t give THAT much of a discount. But if he goes, I’ll be very, very sad. He’s easily one of my favorites on the team.
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KingsMissLappy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@Dan H., AGREED!
While JJ may have lost his MF a long time ago, he’s still an awesome weapon on the blue line who just does his business (even negotiates his own deals!).
How bout DD for Nash, straight up?
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Soureen Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@KingsMissLappy, Now that makes a lot of sense.
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NO…enough of dl trying to get all of the old flyers. please aeg, get a new gm.
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NO…enough of dl trying to get all of the old flyers. please aeg, get a new gm.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@yetiman_oc, ….nothing wrong with x-flyers….their front office is much more hockey savi than L.A.’s…
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There goes my boy.
If it happens, and Carter falls into the same moneypit Penner fell into, some of you guys are really gonna not like me when I lose it.
Arrrrrggghhh!
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@Dominick, we can always go back to sniffing glue. Seriously, you and I both know that JJ costs us as much (if not more) in goal differential then he gives. Carter is a proven scorer. I think it’s a good deal if we didn’t give much else. I’m just wondering how we pay him (cap hit) with Penner still on the books.
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@Duckbasher, Guess you haven’t looked at Carters +/-? Or the way he collapsed once Columbus traded for him?
I know we could use him, but it still doesn’t fix why 3 other lines can’t score goals on the Kings. Hopefully it will provide a spark.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:27 pm
@Dominick, …bottom line…all you can do is hope….
vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@Dominick,
Yeah, but Penner’s contract is soon to be bye-bye. Carter’s is pretty much…forever.
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Helvetica Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
@Dominick, for 5.2 mil, i’m willing to run this experiment. If Carter turns into Penner, then I think we can all definitively conclude, whatever strategy this team is using is ruining players and needs to change.
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:19 pm
@Helvetica, I came to that conclusion when the number of ruined players reached 15 in the same season. Anything past that, and it can’t be coincidence.
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Helvetica Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
@Dominick, I need 16 to make up my mind =P
snbrdsummit Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
@Helvetica,
This experiment has already been tested and proven. I cite Ryan Smyth. Played better before the Kings, played better after the Kings. And if that doesn’t do it for ya, I got Moulson, Purcell, and Boyle for the win. Tic-Tac-Toe!
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snbrdsummit Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@Dominick,
Yay! Another Center to add to the 6 we already have on 4 lines. That’s okay… He can play left wing too right?
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Let me guess, he’ll wind up with a cyst in his foot and require additional surgery. Out 6-8 weeks.
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perhaps that’s better option then loosing too many kings for nash… I’m for staing bernie with us
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Just thinking about this…if JJ is the only one going from our current roster…do we have to put a current roster player in waivers or can we just sent Lokti back to Manchester?
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Helvetica Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@BFSTYLE33, so far it looks like 1 for 1, so why would we need to place anybody on waivers?
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Another “charlie simmer” type! Stands in front of the net and get the garbage goals. NO CREATIVITY!!! Man, we need a play-maker type that’s a fast skater with good hands!
I’d talk to the Caps see if what Ovie cost.
Kovulchuk would have pushed us into the finals and maybe get that cup!!
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@rogiesbackup,
That’s EXACTLY what this team needs is a player who “stands in front of the net and gets the garbage goals”. We should trade for Zeus, Smyth and simmonds back. Because that’s what we’re missing, guys who play in front and cause havoc and poke in the garbage.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
@Duckbasher, +1
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Roger Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
@Duckbasher, No Doubt
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KC23 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
@rogiesbackup, Ovi cost 9.2 mil cap hit. No thanks.
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Kingfish Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
@rogiesbackup,
Ovie is tied for the most popular player in the NHL, hes worth a fortune in marketing and TV stuff. Wouldnt say hes not tradable, even Gretzky got traded but I think the Caps hold on to him for at least another 4 yrs before even thinking about it. The caps would go back to being nobodys without Ovie. Plus he’s still one of the best players in the league, its his team and coach who suck.
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Jack Johnson is worth a hell of a lot more than Jeff Carter. Johnson has 12 playoff points in 12 playoff games, he’s signed below market value for the long term and he’s one of the premiere athletes at his position.
There’s absolutely no way the Kings trade Johnson for Carter straight up. Columbus has to a add, and add a lot in order to make this work.
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
@greg, I think King’s fans over value JJ, how many times has he been beat by an opposing forward this year? How many times has he failed the keep the puck in the zone on the powerplay?
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@Michael666,
I think some people focus too much on trying to watch for those breakdowns, when I believe he has actually been in very good position and made the correct defensive plays many more times than he got beat.
And about the PP, I counter that I see DD fail to keep the puck in the zone more on PPs than JJ. In the games I’ve seen, JJ has been solid at the blueline on the PP.
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Top6Blogger Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
@greg, Expect us to be adding…
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Oscar Moller's Beard Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
@greg, Jack Johnson + Dustin Penner for Jeff Carter and Rick Nash?
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
@greg, No way… this is a great trade if true. Carter is worth WAY MORE than JJ.
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greg Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@Duckbasher,
Johnson was third on the US Olympic team in ice time.
Carter didn’t make the Canadian Olympic team.
Johnson has 12 points in 12 playoff games.
Carter has 21 points in 47 playoff games.
AND HE’S A DEFENSEMAN..
Johnson’ contract is much more desirable. It’s below market value and only includes his prime years. Carter’s contract pays him until he is 37.
The trade straight up is a disaster.
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Choralone Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
@greg, Uh, fyi it’s a wee bit harder to make the Canadian Olympic team than the U.S. Olympic team….I wouldn’t use that as a point of comparison.
Helvetica Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
@greg, taking this season out of play for a second… Carter is what many would consider a premier player at his position, signed a cap friendly hometown deal, and was subsequently dealt to CBJ. It happens.Now, I will say that I am a fan of Jack’s and if this is true, i’ll be very disappointed to see him leave. But, if Carter works out, it will be worth the trade.
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Party Time!
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Soureen Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
@Ravens, Hey maybe by partying it will bring life to our team. That would be awesome
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Well, he & Richards led the Flyers a couple of seasons ago to the cup finals..so I approve this trade. Johnson’s Plus-Minus is horrendous and Voynov will slide nicely in his position as Second pair D. Remember, Carters best years was playing Wing..even if he’s listed as a center.
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he would be playing wing right?
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DanielC Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@Top6Blogger, yes
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Top6Blogger Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
@DanielC, as long as it is not a stretch moving him there im all for it…maybe bernier is getting shipped for JVR which makes this trade even better IMO
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All I have to say is they better figure out who’s playing wing…now we’ve got 113 centers. Hope this doesn’t include JJ. What happens with Bernier now? There must be a secondary move coming if Columbus doesn’t want him.
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DanielC Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
@He Shoots, He Scores, Carter had Career years as a winger.
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if its JJ this is BS!!! somewhere, a blogger named Dominick is not a happy camper right now. DL is bringing down this teams future with his job.
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If it’s straight up Carter for JJ, I don’t like it. I may be wrong, but I think Carter’s on a downswing in his career (even though he’s only been in the league one year longer) wile I believe JJ is going to get better.
I sure hope I’m off base but the Kings have not had a good track record of bringing forwards here (via trade or FA) and have them trend upwards. In fact, the exact opposite seems to be the case most of the time, where the forward leaves and then play well.
Maybe reuniting him with MR will do something, but I sure hate the thought of losing JJ and his cap-friendly contract.
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Helvetica Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
@vplaza, The down swing could certainly be attributed to signing a cap friendly deal and subsequently being dealt to CBJ. He was also injured this year.
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Funny! I was just reading last night how Carter went to Toronto already.
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@Dominick,
So hoping you’re right.
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Hope it’s not Johnson. Make it Voynov or Hickey + and I’m okay.
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Feel bad for JJ. He wasn’t a di** when it came to his contract(looking at you DD), didn’t hire an agent…he just wanted to play in LA. Now he’s getting shipped off to the NHL equivalent to Siberia? Like we all like to say…..that’s the business side of the game.
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NamidaEurope Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@Cup B4 I Die, feel bad for JJ too…
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@NamidaEurope, columbus is very close to where his family reides in Michigan. Probablly only like 2-3 hour drive.
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Bob Bobson Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@Cup B4 I Die, I sometimes wonder if stuff like this is why FA’s don’t want to come here. They can chase the money but if another GM can match it, I would probably want to go to another team also.
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Soureen Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
@Cup B4 I Die, I feel horrible loosing JMFJ
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
@Cup B4 I Die, …haven’t you heard….nice guys finish last….
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JD Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 1:25 am
@Cup B4 I Die, It’s all business, maybe JJ should have been a di** too, doughty was just doing what was best for his family, doughty was the smart one
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This season gets more heart breaking every day
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That would leave the Kings with 3 centers. Just a matter of time till kopitar is gone.
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DEH Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
@Granato, Carter is slated as a C/RW hybrid. Richards as C/LW. So I see the lines shaping up like:
Richards Kopi Carter
Brown Stoll Williams
King Lokti Nolan
Clifford Fraser Westy
Scuds DD
Mitchel VV
Marty Greene
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broncokings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@DEH, I actually like the look of those lines, JJ was a class act though actually stopped to sign autographs after a losing game
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Helvetica Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
@DEH, After the last few games, i wouldn’t be surprised if we saw:
Carter Richards Williams
King Kopitar Stoll
Brown Lokti Lewis
Clifford Fraser Richardson
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DEH Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:48 pm
@Helvetica, I would keep Stoll far far away from right wing!
MindGeyser Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:11 pm
@DEH, Ugh. More mismatched parts. This is the best I could do:
King Kopitar Williams
Clifford Richards Carter
Richardson Loktionov Brown
Nolan Stoll Lewis
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Soureen Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
@MindGeyser, I like that lineup
Unless Carter gets hurt a lot, which is a distinct possibility, this will be an upgrade for the Kings. JJ has upside but isn’t doing much nowadays.
Two things about this likely deal:
One… Carter would be the only guy with a no trade clause on the team. I thought that MR had one starting next year but it’s gone?
Two… Columbus might be asking too much for Nash, hoping to move Carter first. Well, they probably are. Perhaps accepting this deal, verbally for the night, for Carter is a way to get them to reconsider the other offer (whatever that is) for Nash.
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Wet Island, here they come!
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Shuchuk Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
@Miller29, chug! chug! chug! chug!
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Way to reward a guy for firing his agent and making a favorable long term deal with your organ-eye-zation. Guess Johnson should have held out like Doughty. What a joke.
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If this doesn’t wake the team I dont know what will!
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They already have him as a Kings player on wikipedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Carter
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Oscar Moller's Beard Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@Airwaves, And an alternate captain! Maybe we traded Greene?
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Airwaves Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@Oscar Moller’s Beard, I was searching for his stats online and I went on the Wiki page and the article said that. But can’t people edit that?
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Oscar Moller's Beard Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
@Airwaves, I’ve always tried to edit random stuff on there for fun but you can only edit if you a certified by Wikipedia, so I’m not sure.
Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
@Airwaves, ….yes….
bmova Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
@Oscar Moller’s Beard, What I was just thinking!
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Airwaves Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@Oscar Moller’s Beard, So maybe someone was fooling around…
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Stephen Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@Airwaves, apparently we have given him an “A” as well.
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sparky Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@Airwaves, yeah and apparently he’s going to be wearing an “A” on his chest!!!???
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Steve W Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@Airwaves, it also says that he is an assistant captain with the Kings. Must be an error since in the bio box, the Kings aren’t mentioned as his team.
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Hope JJ didn’t read this…he is probably crapping bricks…
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Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
@Cruiznblue, that’s gotta hurt!
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Kings fans..
Dealing Jack Johnson and acquiring Jeff Carter is a win for the Kings. All of you saying “noooo, not Jack…” Believe me, Carter makes us a more dangerous team. Voynov will be a fine replacement for JJ, and you won’t miss him. JJ makes way too many mistakes in his own end for crying out loud.
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DanielC Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@Scot, +1 JJ has offensive upside, but in his own end is the Twilight Zone for JJ
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broncokings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@DanielC, so does Voynov, I am actually excited to see him play now
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MindGeyser Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
@Scot, Voynov isn’t as adept at handling physical players as Johnson. Secondly, he has a great cap hit and contract length for his capabilities, and Carter’s contract length is worrisome. Furthermore, he’d have to play wing, and there are mixed reports on whether or not he’s done a significant amount of that. Johnson’s usefulness has been understated by commenters on this blog and it’ll be realized if he leaves. The mentality of “soandso can just be replaced by someone who doesn’t have a similar style of game at all” is why the team misses guys like Handzus today.
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
@MindGeyser,
Man, why do you want to come on here and make sense? Long contract? Who cares? No one other than Matt Greene to play the physical game on d? No worries. We’ll…… we’ll……
I’m sure DL will sort it all out.
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I bet hockey buzz is going to read this as post lol and change the time so they act like they got hands on it first
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first you tell me gagne is looking good on the ice and now you’re telling me a carter trade is could be coming a reality?
you sir, made my day
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first you tell me gagne is looking good on the ice and now you’re telling me a carter trade is could be coming a reality?
you sir, made my day
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Capt Jam Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@Derek,
You can say that again. LOL.
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All of you who think Jack Johnson is worth more than Carter are in a DREAM WORLD. I’m not saying Carter is god’s gift to hockey, but he is definitely worth more than JJ around the league. Stop grossly overvaluing these Kings players just because they’re on “your team”.
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@Poonagi, Well stated. JJ is no Shea Weber that’s for sure (and neither is Doughty for that matter). GO KINGS!
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Now all we need is to package a pick/prospect, AM/AL and Bernie to get rick Nash and we are set!
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
@King-C, not enough. AM and Al have little value. JJ is signed for long time at a favorable cap hit thus provideng value. Bernier is only signed for 1 more year and could walk (decreasing his value). And we all know that AM and AL are not proven NHL players at this point. It’s going to take someone like Taffoli, Brown and bernier to get rick Nash. And personally, we already traded Schenn (our best minor league player). I DON’T want us to trade Taffoli because he’s the real deal (like Schenn is).
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Jeff Carter is a pure goal scorer guys. Believe it or not, we wont notice JJ gone , but we sure as he’ll will notice Carter scoring..he and Richards are going to be happier then ever, which is when they should play there best hockey. Carter can easily score 30a goals a season for the next 5…
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Can’t he do Lokti, Martinez and a pick for Carter? I actually like JJ.
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I can almost see this as another Mark Hardy situation at the old Forum where it might be best to get rid of him while the boos are loudest. If this brings more life into JMFJ, I’ll be ticked off beyond belief.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@Buster, I remember hearing people screaming “Hardly” at him at the Forum.
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I hope we keep JJ, but i like us getting Carter, great scorer has speed and big body, chemistry with Richards, smaller cap hit than Nash and has been playing better imo. This could allow us to still go after Parise in the offseason and we still have 3 days til the deadline to fix our 3rd and 4th lines. Hope this isnt the only move we make.
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Hope it doesn’t happen. This is the kind of desperation trade I thought DL might make. I hope it works, but I don’t think it will. I expect Carter to perform like every talented offensive player brought here has, which is below expectations.
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Scot Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@CB14,
Dude.. We need this! Carter may not perform like his 46 goals in Philly, but only giving up Jack Johnson for him is a huge win for us.
If it doesn’t work this season, and we miss the playoffs..
At least we will have a sick group of talented forwards for the next regime to use properly.. you know?
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@CB14,
Hi CB. I suppose you already know what I think.
Desperation.
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@number 6,
So …. desperation getting DS which has massively helped the offense, which is actually worse than it was when TM was here…… and now a desperation trade.
Great.
Perhaps they don’t make the playoffs and DL might be more suited to an east coast team that is more adapted to his philosophy.
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@Geoff, Maybe JJ did accept a favorable deal just so he can be cap friendly and easier to move. Maybe he didn’t like it here. Just sayin…..
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@BFSTYLE33, Columbus is not far from where most of his family lives. Just saying.
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You know a few beers with an old friend might help Richie loosen his grip on his stick and score a few goals, right?
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@DEH, We can hope.
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Other rumor from an hour ago on the radio … take it as you wish … is that Dustin Brown is part of another deal (outside of the Columbus discussions). I can see that, he has strong value, yet in many ways is more part of the Kings past than there future. We’ll see …
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Steve W Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
@Press Box Scratch, He’s rumored to part of a Kings- Sabres trade
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So this leaves us Bernie + Brown to deal out.. But for who?
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loskingpride Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@MickSorley, If Dean could pry Pominville from Buffalo I’d be okay with seeing Bernier and Brown go back east.
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So this leaves us Bernie + Brown to deal out.. But for who?
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
@MickSorley,
Nash.
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MickSorley Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@Michael J., Not going to happen. They don’t want Bernier. Apparently he is too much of an unknown quantity at this point.
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@MickSorley, umm… maybe he should have been allowed to play some eh?
MickSorley Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@Duckbasher, No doubt about that.
MickSorley Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@Duckbasher, Couldn’t agree more!
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MickSorley Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@Duckbasher, Couldn’t agree more!
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broncokings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@MickSorley, what about JVR another philly player
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Pierre LeBrun: If LA can complete a Jeff Carter deal, that would basically leave NYR and SJ for Nash…
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broncokings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@bmova, I get the feeling Nash is going to San Jose, which would suck for the Kings
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Nick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@broncokings, I think Nash doesnt get moved until the offseason. For all we know the new GM might want to keep him.
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Hope most of you stop crying!
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@Lake Forest, I’m celebrating. Now if we’d trade Doughty for Weber it would be one of the better days for me ever as a King’s fan.
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We just got ripped off… IF JJ goes for penner 2.0… wow And you know what maybe im wrong and maybe “1″ player fixes everything… But im not going to hold my breath
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I don’t like the deal – JJ should not be a part of it! If Columbus is dealing, they want to build for the future which should mean there would be an interest in prospects. Would much rather see a Martinez or even Scuderi go, if necessary, and throw in someone from Manchester. Voynov went down for a reason as his play had tailed off the more other teams got to know him, so thinking he can come back up and fill Jack’s shoes is misguided. Carter is a roll-of-the-dice player, anyway, so why give up a top guy like JJ?? C’mon, Rich, talk some sense into them before it’s too late!!
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@5-hole, Voynov only went down because he had a two-way contract (didn’t have to clear waivers like the others). Otherwise, Drewiske and Martinez are both in Manchester and Voynov is dressed everyday.
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Anyone know the record for the most centers on one NHL team?
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Am I missing something but isn’t Carter a Center? We have Kopitar, Richards, Stoll at center locked up….why in the heck would we deal for another center? Especially Jack Johnson?
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Cynic Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
@A5MINMJR, Because Richards & Carter played on the same line in Philly,. One would move to the wing and it would be very natural.
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
@A5MINMJR, He played wing in Philly with Richards
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Mike Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@A5MINMJR, maybe because Kopitar can’t seem to get his ass unglued from the boards… Carter most likely plays wing. Once Gagne comes back to the 2nd line and from there if Brown is still here he can then go to the 3rd line where he belongs..
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If Bernier doesn’t get deal with CBJ maybe LAK can deal Bernier to Toronto for Kessel or Lupul..OR better yet get Nash for Bernier, prospect, and draft picks
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Somewhere in Orange County @puck73 is popping open a bottle of champagne.
Happy birthday Mike
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I would expect one of Stoll or Penner and a prospect D-man (Hickey) For Carter. Salary Dump for Salary Dump except Columbus would be rid of the salary next season. They can’t have Bernie unless we get Nash. CBJ is desperate to dump Carter. If we gave them Bernie in the Carter deal, we are most likely done.
If we give up JJ for Carter, Dean Lombardi’s career is most likely done.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@Cynic,
Agree, JJ might be too much for Carter. The Kings will be better with Carter than JJ, but that is only because VV is ready.
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Cynic Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Michael J., Yep. Martinez could go so Slava could step in. Stoll or Penner + Martinez (Maybe a low round pick) for Carter and we’re good.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
@Cynic,
Would they do that? Add one of the little guys down in Manch, of Lewie?
Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@Cynic, Or Lewie?
YooperSkip 24 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@Cynic, Columbus picked up G Curtis McElhinney amd 2 draft picks from the Coyotes for C Antoine Vermette Burnette. I think McElhinney was in the minors. Would they still be trying to get another G, such as JB??
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YooperSkip 24 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@YooperSkip 24, Vermette, not the double French name*
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Craig Button strikes again on TSN. He says that trade would make things worse.
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Airwaves Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@Jay GoLAKings, Dang it! Everything our team does is bad…
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Airwaves, I don’t listen to a word that idiot says.
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@Jay GoLAKings,
And I would I agree with him. A healthy and scoring Carter, maybe it helps. A Carter that resembles Penner, not so much.
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Jay GoLAKings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@vplaza, Losing JJ would hurt us, was Button’s angle
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@Jay GoLAKings,
Again, I would agree with that. Even though he hasn’t put up the same numbers in the later part of the season that he did early on (who on this team has?), I think JJ is an important part of this team.
The naysayers are focusing on the few instances that he has made mistakes this year (and yes, he has made them but much fewer than in prior years). When in reality, he has improved his defensive game greatly. There are plenty of times I see him make the right decision this season. Far fewer than the slap to the forehead “what was he thinking” like in past years. I take that as a sign of maturity and improving his game.
He certainly has made some bonehead plays (pretty much, everyone on this team has made their share, even Mitchell), but I dare anyone to look at the videos of full games this year and tell me that he made more of those than the solid plays that he has been making.
But, if someone just doesn’t like the guy and isn’t willing to look at the whole picture, then losing JJ is a plus to them.
Can’t believe there aren’t 10 posts already with proposed line combinations.
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loskingpride Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@JackKent Cooke, I could make some for you!
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why JJ not JB? I don’t like this deal.
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150 comments in 20 minutes. News travels slow around here.
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AM 570 on Los Angeles is saying it’s a done deal.
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D745 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@D745,
That’s AM 570 in Los Angeles, the Petros and Money show.
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@D745, Well if Rich is saying it, it’s as close to complete as it gets. Probably just waiting until they notify all the players involved in the deal before they announce it officially.
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@CB14,
LOL, they probably read it here and deduced the same thing…that if Rich is talking about it, then it must be quite a bit more than just rumor.
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Cup B4 I Die Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
@D745,
wow…it made local radio?
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Cup B4 I Die,
Slow day on all-Laker radio?
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@Michael J.,
’cause they don’t know if they’re trading or keeping Pau yet.
I’ll be in attendance Monday night against Nashville. Company trip! Would love to have something big to cheer for when I go. I can’t remember ever NOT really wanting to go to a Kings game and I only get 1 or 2 a year out here.
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fsd1 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@Bama Kings, Im going to the one on the 6th…..enjoy! I reside in clarksville, tn.
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I’m done with DL if he trades JJ for Carter. Plain stupid move.
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Same old story….we haven’t had a front office serious about winning the Cup since Bruce! And he was a criminal. Now we are being told we are getting steak, but look closer, it’s salisbury steak….DL didn’t do it in Boston, then he didn’t do it in San Jose…why would anyone believe that he was going to here? And then bring in the plague, Sutter? Nice…your core, is not our core anymore.
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Poor Jack – Hes a good guy. Tries Hard – Now he’s going to end up in Columbus, cause his teammates are underachieving BIG TIME… Bad deal for him personally for sure.
What IS a Blue Jacket anyway.
D
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stickboy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@dduffy, he was awesome while DD held out…how quick everyone forgets.
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Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@dduffy, A civil war soldier from the Union side.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@dduffy,
I think its like a Yellowjacket, but very cold..
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Jimmyo777 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
@dduffy, It’s a bird
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Giving up JJ is not wise in my opinion because Carter will not make this team instantly better. And we need to trade for players that will cmake an instant impact down the stretch. And Oh we need another center like we need more defense ugh
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I said way back early in the season we should get Carter as well. I hope it goes through. Mike will feel more comfortable, Jeff will be happy he’s the hell out of Ohio, and the Kings should look stronger. Leave finding Kopi a real winger for the summer Dean.
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stickboy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@Lime, who cares how comfortable they are….they were comfy in Philly and didn’t do it there…why would they do it here? I am not saying I don’t like either one of them, but if I am losing JJ, I want more.
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Please don’t give up JJ
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Should he play with Kopi on the first line? Or on the reunion line?
Either way, the Power Play is about to get a lot better.
If it’s a 1 for 1 trade, it’s the best deal DL has made during his time in LA.
This trade can turn this season around!
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California Royalty Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
@California Royalty, Williams + Richards + Carter = Reunion Line
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CL Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@California Royalty, Except that Williams already left Philly before either of them started in the NHL.
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California Royalty Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@CL, Still the Los Angeles Flyers
Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@CL,
Matching tattoos.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@California Royalty, It is JJ and a pick. How about putting him with Richards on the wings and Stoll or Loktionov in the middle.
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
@California Royalty,
Not sure how the PP gets better unless Carter can play the left point well (him being a right hand shot). JJ was perfect for that position.
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Carter is a center, no? Was he on P.P. right wing with Richards? Aren’t we in need of LW?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@KingsGuy, Richards can play left wing and Carter right wing with Stoll/Loktionov in the middle or go full board and put Kopi in the middle. That would be one heck of a first line.
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I’m on the fence. Really like JMFJ and hate to see him go, but dang we need some scoring help in the worst way (unfortunately not sure Carter is it, either).
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Jay GoLAKings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
@KDinUT, call up VV put JJ on a wing & see what happens
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Press Box Scratch Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@KDinUT, Me too, although I don’t see any MF in JJ’s play and haven’t for quite a long time
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LOVE THIS TRADE!!!!!
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‘IF’ it is JJ who is gone, who takes his place on the point on the PP?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@vplaza, Voynov takes his place. But we can have Richards on first line point and Stoll 2nd line point if DS decides that.
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@Jeff_R,
In the first few games, I thought Voynov did okay on the PP, but after that, he didn’t look too comfortable there. Plus, Voynov is a right hand shot, so either he or DD would need to play the side that they may have trouble keeping the puck in.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
@vplaza,
He hasn’t played the point on the first unit for a while and I can only assume Voynov gets recalled to play with Mitchell on the second unit.
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Scot Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@vplaza,
VOYNOV!!!
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
@Scot,
See my reply to Jeff_R above. IMHO, that’s not the upgrade on the PP that some people are thinking.
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Nick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:51 pm
@vplaza, Havent you noticed Richards on the point on the PP for the last few games. They were already planning on traded JJ. But Voynov would stop on the second unit for sure.
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If we gave JJ and a top pick this is a stupid trade. As a DL supporter for a long time, I think this wreaks of desperation. It may be time for him to go. This seems ridiculous, Carter will be on this team till I am a Great Grandfather (My oldest kid is 15). Ugg, if we are going all in like this, why not Nash then. Even with his cap hit we are much better off. I hope to god Carter works out and lights the lamp. If not by by DL, I won’t miss you. Bring on Hextall.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@BigMikeonD, He has 10 more years and the last 3 pay him 3, 2, and 2 mil a year. Not bad. Doubt he would play those 3.
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BigMikeonD Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@Osaka, Sweet so we can pay him a million per goal that he may score by then. This is a bad trade in my opinion. JJ is going to be really good long term. Carter has already peaked.
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I know everyone always wants to package Penner, Westgarth, and Lewis for Crosby but you have to give something to get something. Everyone is always thinking who got the better of a deal but it is subjective, you need to trade equal value. The last 3 years Carter scored 36,33, and 46 goals. Not many players in the league can match that. It is a complement to JJ if he is traded straight up for Carter, at this point he hasn’t show the value of a 35-40 goal scoring forward. CBJ would be making this deal on JJ’s potential.
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NamidaEurope Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Osaka, sad for Jack, but couldn’t agree more
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IceGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
@Osaka,
Only two good things I can see from this rumor.
A – Penner has to go to Columbus as part of the deal.
B -CBJ deal JJ to Detroit over the summer and he is in heaven!
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
@IceGuy, How do you figure? He has a higher goals per game percentage this season than any player on the Kings.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:16 pm
@Osaka, Sorry, responded to wrong post
IceGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
@Osaka,
No problem. I think we’re all a little in shock at the moment.
If you make this deal, Lombardi I take back every nice thing I ever said about you! I hope management steps in and fires you before this deal goes thru. BAD, BAD, BAD IDEA!! Why don’t you just trade Quick for Scott Gomez while your at it… Honestly, this trade sounds like a desperation move made by a guy trying to save his job, not improve his team in the long run. This is not the kind of player the Kings need.
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@InfiN8, We need scoring badly. We have too many defenseman. Voynov is better than JJ anyway. Carter+Richards=Good times both on and off the ice.
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InfiN8 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
@Michael666, This inst basketball! You need the right mix of players! Not just a poster full of “stars”. Kings have had a lot of success with strong play in front of the net and along the boards from guys like Simmer, Smyth, Handzus. Lombardi has yet to replace them. Get another guy like the three mentioned will create a lot of opportunity for the other players, and create match up problems for other teams… Plus Carter plays the half way/point on the power play. Kings desperately need a big body in front of the net.
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InfiN8 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
@InfiN8, Roster not “poster”
& half-wall not “half way.” Sorry…
Wait, why is Carter Penner 2.0?
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@Oscar Moller’s Beard,
Did you see his play and stats at CBJ this year since being traded? Looks like Penner when we got him.
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On Helene Elliott’s twitter just now:
Helene Elliott @helenenothelen
looking like Johnson and a first-rounder for Carter but nothing officially announced yet
https://twitter.com/helenenothelen
Too much. IDK.
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Cynic, WAAAAAAYYYYYYY too much.
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
@CB14, Like I said in a post above
We need scoring badly. We have too many defenseman. Voynov is better than JJ anyway
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
@Michael666, We’ve been struggling to score for years.
First replacing Frolov with Poni was supposed to be the answer.
Then getting Penner was supposed to be the answer.
Then getting rid of slowpokes Smyth and Zues was supposed to be the answer.
Then replacing them with Gagne and Richards was supposed to be the answer.
Then replacing TM with DS was supposed to be the answer.
How did all those moves work out? Yeah, thought so.
Now Carter is supposed to be the answer. Not likely.
FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Cynic,
Why the first?!!
I’m really glad I don’t have any deadlines this week…
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KDinUT Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@Cynic, That is too much!!
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IceGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@KDinUT,
Remember Higgins from “Magnum PI”?
Oh My Gawd!
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hell to the yeah!
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Way to pay a guy back for making his contract negotiations as painless as possible. He negotiated himself right off the team with his manageable loyalty.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@Dominick, Look what Philly did by trading Carter and Richards after signing long term, sweetheart deals. This is a business first…..
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@Jeff_R,
Welp, guess it means that anyone up for new contracts will think twice before giving the team the benefit of the doubt or the hometown discount.
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JD Reply:
February 24th, 2012 at 2:01 am
@Jeff_R, It is a business first, and it works both ways, so in the end doughty is the smartest guy in the room
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rontheking Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
@Dominick,
He sure did…I feel bad for Jack. And bad that the Kings will be getting a guy with a high hockey odometer in exchange for JJ who’s a stud and just starting to show that thoroughbred potential AND a first round pick? Are you FKM???
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bad trade. another penner deal
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Our scoring with D-men is 4th in the league, and JJ is the biggest part of it. What’s the sense in it since we are strrugling to score the goal? This is insane.
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dm3977 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
@goldielocks, nash for johnson…. maybe
carter for johnson is too much
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@goldielocks, Look at where we got with a high goal scoring defense and a very low scoring group of forwards. Nowhere. Plus losing out on scoring by JJ will be filled by VV who is probably better in all phases then JJ.
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goldielocks Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@Jeff_R,
Voynov will never be physically as strong as JJ. The guy is too weak for today’s NHL standard.
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Carter,Kopi,Richards,Williams,Brown,and Gagne. A good top six. Then you Nolan,Lotki and King. another good line.Then pick out of..Lewis,Richardson,Cliffy,Frasor,and Westy ..for your 4th line..so we are good there.Add Slava instaed of Johnson..good there…. Still have Bernier as an asset….Open up the system and lets play some hockey..Team is more balanced now!!!!! Plus you have Hickey,Vey, and Toffi…ready for the future…My sunglasses are back on!!!!
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If it turns out to be Carter for JJ it is a major upgrade for us for the next 4 or 5 years … then it we’ll be stuck with Carter’s contract, but for now it is a major upgrade to the Kings for exactly what we need. We are basically getting Voynof (just as good, if not better on the PP and much better in the defensive end) for -12 JJ. And we get Richards a winger he knows better than any other winger in the league that knows how to finish.
Plus we don’t lose Bernier. Considering Quick’s last two games that makes me feel a whole lot better.
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
@KC23, Isn’t Carter a -11? JJ is our most productive defenseman on the PP.
I’m gonna go along with it, but I gotta get my bitching, and complaining out first.
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the problem is… our bad bloods are still here. JJ3 is one of the player who plays good this year (I don’t mean he’s #1 D-man) But we trade him, I personally think JB is the right choice.
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Terrible move.. JJ and a pick for Carter is way too pricey.
What happened to Nash?
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toemas_sandstrom Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@alanj21, I bet Nash doesn’t move until draft day. Columbus wants picks and young, ready to play, talent. Looks like they just got both…
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Canadian King Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
@alanj21, NASH DOESN’T WANT TO COME TO THE KINGS! are you seriously complaining about getting a 40 goals scorer? you do realize we have the worst offense in the league right?
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Hey Ottawa lost there #1 Goalie Craig Anderson as he lacerated his hand preparing food. What about trading Bernier there?
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andy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:19 pm
@Jeff_R, If the Kings traded Bernier to Sens it would be for Michalek buddy!
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GREAT! another foot and knee guy, more problems, you watch JJ do Great wherever he goes, Good Luck JJ, as for Carter, give me a break!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
@Heshootshescores, JJ will never reach his zenith behind Drew. You see his best games were when Drew was out. This gives JJ the chance to be the top guy, something he never would be here.
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This reeks of desperation and nepotism on DL’s part. You’d better inflate your lifeboat before your Titanic goes down. I thought JJ was part of the Kings long term vision / holes B.S. Leiweke, anyone? Didn’t we just sign Jack to a reasonable 7 year contract? If you’re going to trade for anyone, please bring in a scoring left winger who’s durable and plays with some desire. Adding another Center to the mix is pure insanity, unless Deano’s just getting warmed up on the trade front. Just when you thought the Kings level of futility couldn’t get any worse.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
@Rainman, Carter isn’t an injury liability. Until this season he hasn’t missed many games.
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Rainman Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
@Jeff_R, I was referring to Simon Gagne’s durability.
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
@Rainman,
I agree with the desperation part. DL probably knows that if he didn’t try something and they miss the playoffs, he’s gone. By trying something big, he probably buys him something to buffer the calls for his head when they miss the playoffs.
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Down swing or not you have to cash in on your surplus. Obviously were not tading goaltending next best thing is defense. Were like the baseball team with too much pitching and we need offense and we gotta sell high while we can.
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I don’t know.. Big contract.. plus I don’t think he’ll be a big enough factor to get us over this scoring slump.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:13 pm
@tacomakingsfan, He won’t be the only move we make. Plus he will get Richards going. This is a win win.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
@Jeff_R,
Who else can the Kings give up? Bernier? maybe… but the rest is going to be salary dumps for picks.. I can’t imagine anybody else the Kings can be targeting.
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Poor Jack. He’s gone from Wolverine to Buckeye now.
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I personally don’t mind JJ and a first, as long as Bernier not involved i’m happy. Those of you freaking out about JJ, he sucks and I for one will be glad to see him go. As for the 1st rounder, this draft is the year of the defenceman we don’t need a d man. Carter is coming off a hat trick and his best years were as a winger. In the off-season we will still have a plehtora of cap space to bring in Parise or Semin. Also VV will fill JJ’s spot and then some.
I hope this trade goes down.
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Canadian King,
THE KINGS AREN’T GETTING PARISE….. BEST TO GET THAT FAIRLY CLEAR RIGHT NOW.
He would have no interest to come to the Kings and play on an underachieving team that plays all defense.
Trust me.
And it’s been said that it’s between Minnesota where he’s from and Detroit (who has loads of cap space).
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Canadian King Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
@number 6, wheres your source? There is no guarantee in him going to either of those teams. Minny makes sense cause it is home for him, but they suck bad and have no chance competing and Parise has said he wants to be on a contender. As for Detroit yes they have cap but there biggest need will be to bring in a stud defenceman. I’m not saying LA will get Parise I am saying we will have the money in case we can land a Parise OR Semin.
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BobsYourUncle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Canadian King, JJ sucks? Really? I don’t think ANY D-man in the NHL who played 343 out of a possible 394 games (due to injuries), not to mention 20+ plus minutes on average per game and accounting for 124 points would qualify as sucking? He is still young and learning as a player and although his +/- is an issue he is not even near his prime at 25. Please have a little respect for what he brings to the team (top physical conditioning, positive attitude, hard work and leadership) and leave out the absurd comments…
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Canadian King Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
@BobsYourUncle, Well when the guy has a 4.357 mill cap hit and is constantly taking dumb penalties and bad give aways, that constatutes over-rated in my books. You don’t like the comments then don’t read them, its the truth and you know it. JJ is a liability out there and every time he has the puck in our own end you just cringe. VV is the all round better d man anyways and we add a possible 30-40 goal scorer. So please tell me what the problem is?
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Our Flyers transformation is almost complete… just need Timmonen, Hartnell, Coburn…
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:16 pm
@EternalOptimist, Wouldn’t mind Hartnell.
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EternalOptimist Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@Jeff_R,
Wait a year or so when Clarke blows up the team again
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MickSorley Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
@Jeff_R, Without Giroux and Jagr, Hartnell aint’t worth much. And this comes from one of the few who like the guy.
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I don’t think Johnson will be too upset. He’ll be close to family out in Ohio.
I do have tons of respect for Jack though for the way he has conducted himself in LA.
Should have been Penner + Martinez
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Canadian King Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
@Cynic, come on man quit over valuing our players. No way in hell those two get you Carter.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
@Cynic, Yea you can’t get Carter for Penner and Martinez, especially with what Columbus gave up to get Carter in the first place. I will say it again…Don’t marry yourself to players you only get disappointed.
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Cynic Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@Cynic, Guys-
First off, I don’t care what Columbus gave up for Carter. That’s their problem. Nobody is going to give you the same return for a guy who sulked all year and hardly performed. They don;t want that problem on their team for the same reason Columbus is trying to dump him now. Why would anyone pay the same for that?
Penner is a salary dump. Martinez is a puck moving defenseman with NHL experience and potential. It’s not about overvaluing our players as much as it is taking advantage of a situation. Give them Hickey & Martinez with Penner then. Are you going to tell me giving up a 1-2 puck moving D-man AND a 1st rounder is worth a sulking Jeff Carter? We’re taking on MORE salary AND term with that deal AND losing MAJOR potential with the First rounder.
Carter can help, and Richards is the linchpin to this whole deal. They will both be locked up together for a LONG time. There are a lot of ‘IFS’ in this deal. As previously mentioned, other ‘supposed’ historically gifted scorers we’ve acquired have yet to produce. Why will Carter be different?
Yes Voynov will take JJ’s spot, but what’s better?
Doughty JJ Voynov
or
Doughty Voynov Martinez?
If you can keep JJ, you do it. Penner (Or Stoll) + Martinez and a mid rounder is the right price for Carter. JJ & a 1st is ridiculous. Howson is gonna look like a GENIUS to is ownership, especially after the Phoenix trade yesterday.
Think a little deeper about this y’all.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
@Cynic, If DL making another big move, which I doubt, he should try and get CBJ to take Penner. They only will have to pay 25% of the contract ($1 of $4M). If no other deals we might as well keep Penner as a scratch in case of injuries.
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LA will score more with Carter (both on and off the ice) but they will not be difficult to play against with Carter and Voynov in the lineup. Physically, they will strike fear into no one.
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@tom,
agree
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Carter plays wing just as we’ll as center! !! JJ for Carter is a good deal, pick isn’t fun, but we need something..
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Canadian King Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
@MichaeL_DD8, I agree!
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Downsy89 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
@Canadian King, Same here
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The Los Angeles Oiled Flyers of the West
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I posted this morning I’ve sort of accepted that JJ isnt the superstar I thought he might end up, and the team needed to swap him for a forward. Carter might not be my first choice, and I hope they didnt have to trown in a 1st round pick as well, but it DOEShelp us balance our F and D and we have plenty of D in the pipeline. VV will turn out better than JJ anyways.
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Great. Now we will have 2 Penners
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
@Munchrat, Carter is not Penner….Not even close.
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Cruiznblue Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
@Munchrat,
perhaps they will compliment one another very nicely!
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Not that Mike Milbury is The Genius Of All Time, but did anyone else hear him last night savage Jeff Carter for having a bat attitude and about as much drive as Dustin Penner?
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:13 pm
@Mel Powell,
I dislike Milbury, but I hope he’s wrong if this is the deal that is going to happen. Otherwise, we’ll have two tin men on the roster.
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MichaeL_DD8 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
@Mel Powell,
Even if that was true he still has 2 hat tricks in his last seven games. He scores. Go watch his highlight reel or his last 2 hattys. You’ll see
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
@Mel Powell,
That coming from the Eisntein who climbed over the glass to get at a fan.
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Jimmyo777 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
@Michael J., And went on the ice to manhandle a 12 year old kid that his son was playing against…Milbury’s an idiot.
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
@Mel Powell,
I did and posted it and got blasted hard for posting it. I said it reeks of risk and all anyone could say was that Milbury was an idiot. So…… we’ll soon see.
It effing well better work out for the Kings, otherwise, rather than one year of Penner underachieving they’ll get ten years of Carter. Good luck to them.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
@Mel Powell, I saw it. Loud and clear what Milbury thought about Carter. I hope he’s wrong.
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I was reading Johnson and a first for carter. Reallly? Dean should look in another direction and get a WINGER. even though we’re low on centers.
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
@mexicankingsfan, for the 1000th time, Carter had his best years playing on Richards wing.
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mexicankingsfan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@Michael666, True said. But still.
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IceGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@Michael666,
Yes, in Philly, without Deano’s D-first system in place.
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Carter and Richards could be reunited in L.A. Did they learn their lesson in Philly, or would Tinseltown be trouble?
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Capt Jam Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
@Harry,
Fortunately, the only person having anything even remotely to do with the Kings and Hollywood is Sean Avery, so I’m not concerned about that.
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toemas_sandstrom Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@Harry, Paris Carter and Nicole Richards, hope not…
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So look at this way
Would you have traded JJ + Pick Simmonds and Schenn and whatever else was included for Carter and Richards?
I don’t think many would. That’s what I feel like we are doing.
Carter for JJ straight up eh maybe
But I think Voynov should’ve been traded. Not JJ. He’s about to be in his prime is he not? I thought the time was now.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
@Subby, If we had made that trade last summer for both Richards and Carter this board would of lit up saying how great Dean is. You have two guys with the potential of getting 120+ points a season for JJ, Simmonds, Schenn, and a pick. I think we would of been real happy.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
@Subby, JJ and a first is still a good deal for Carter. I think we are taking advantage of CBJ. What would be the asking price for Kopi? Carter has scored more than Kopi ever has. His goals the last 3 years: 46, 33, 36.
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Carter has a higher goal per game percentage this season than any player on the Kings.
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Subby Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
@Osaka, he’s also played less games.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@Subby, Huh? That is why we use percentage. 39 games 15 goals for Carter. Kopi lead the team with 17 goals in 61 games.
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Capt Jam Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
@Subby,
He’s also not had to play under the TM’s straightjacket offense.
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noonch Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
@Osaka, That’s because he’s not playing Kings’ hockey.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@noonch, Worse, he is playing Columbus. They have the 27th offense and 28th defense.
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looks like DL has an agenda to ruin whatever left in LA
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I’d really prefer they NOT make this move. But, this DL doubling down and trying to save his job. Long run this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me at all. And for this year I just don’t see Carter fixing the problem by himself.
Can we have Carter and still have enough to resign Quick after next season?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
@Weasel, Yes. We could also sign Parise + Quick. I do think we will be making another move for a forward someone like Stafford.
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Weasel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@Jeff_R,
Carter is signed until he’s what 38? or 39? If he pouts we’re going to be eating his contract for a LONG time.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
@Jeff_R, I don’t know about that. I did a long calculation (not a guess) and it was tough to fit Nash and Quick (estimate $6M) with all the other contracts once we get to 2013/2014 when JQ would be in his new deal.
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fvkingsfan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Weasel, if we don’t resign Stoll, penner, scuderi, or Green. We would have 15.6m to replace said players and sign quick.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Weasel, Carter’s contract is a deal! 5.2 cap hit.
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Weasel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
@Osaka,
Yeah, I just saw that not a horrible cap hit although his salaryis more — but at least that won’t kill the cap. Wow what a gamble — okay MAYBE I don’t hate this trade — please tell me why I should LIKE it if you can do so.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@Weasel, Carter’s last 3 seasons goal total: 46, 33,36. Carter has 15 goal in 39 games this year, higher percentage than any Kings player. His cap hit is only 5.2 mil. Ruutu just signed with Car for 4.75 (he has never scored 30 goals). Carter has 10 more years on his contract but the last 3 are for 3, 2, and 2 mil. He has scored on CBJ team that is 27th in offense and 28th on defense…….
Downsy89 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Weasel, Yes, Because Penner will be off the books and Stoll this year. That is total of 7.850. But The year Quick a UFA Scurderi and Gange contracts are up too, and adding Quick contract now is total of 8.700.
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
@Weasel,
Who knows….. Who cares….. at least DL might…….. might be able to save his job. And isn’t that all that really matters?
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EternalOptimist Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@Weasel,
As long as Carter stays healthy and performs as expected when reunited with Richards, this is a great deal both short and long term. Getting a 30-40 goal scoring for 5 mil per is a steal!
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Please explain to me what you all love about JJ so much?
Defensively – he’s a career minus player. It may not be the best stat but year after year after year JJ has been unable to be in the positive. His consistent ability to turn the puck over and fail in coverage directly lead to goals for the other team.
Offensively – yes he’s gifted. But we have more offensive Dmen than we need. DD, VV, Martinez, and Hickey coming through the system. We can afford to give up offense from the blue line.
Intangibles – I agree, it’s too bad you have to move a guy who took a discount to stay with your team. We all like JJ and we don’t want to see him go… but this is a business and our current business model isn’t working. We need to bring in offense and JJ is a way to do that.
Having said that, I hope we don’t overpay for Carter. JJ + a first would be very close to overpayment. But I do think we’d have to offer JJ+.
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
@Poonagi,
I think you’re putting too much weight on the +/- stat. And a lot of what you’re looking at is prior year and not taking stock of what’s happening this year, his first year of his new contract.
Please, I may have missed all of them, but please point out how many games JJ has cost this team because of a gaffe. It’s easier to point recall the gaffes made by DD, Clifford, Kopi, etc. that led to goals against us that cost us games. Jack may have had those in droves before, but this year, not as many as you may think.
He has made more solid defensive plays this year than mistakes. I honestly have seen enough games this year where I’ve seen him make the right decisions.
Sure, he’s made some mistakes, but I would wager that DD has made more. And even Mitchell wasn’t immune. And Voynov? He may have played well at the start, but he tailed off. I saw stretches of games when he had difficulty getting the puck out of the zone, probably after teams finally had time to scout him.
So, why are some of us disappointed? Because JJ is a very good player and should only improve.
And it’s been said before, he negotiated a very team friendly contract to be a part of this group.
Finally, if people are whining that Simmonds and Schenn are doing so well after leaving here, I’m betting more will do the same if JJ leaves and develops into the player we think he will be somewhere else.
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Tim T Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@Poonagi,
I couldn’t agree more. JJ has always been a turnover machine and a defensive liability. He is a career -90 (5th worst in Kings history) and a team low -12 this year.
Carter for JJ and a 1st round pick is a bargain IPO. Our first round pick is probably 15th overall (hopefully much later than that). Carter scored 36, 33 and 46 goals the last three years respectively. If that is the deal let’s get it done!
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
@Tim T,
I just love how the “turnover machine” and “defensive liability” keeps cropping up with JJ, when no one can seem to point to many instances this season when he has coughed it up so badly that it led to a game costing goal. Not saying he hasn’t had turnovers, but as puddle below admitted, I think people exaggerate this for effect.
Or they simply like to look at past statistics and say that’s all he’s going to be without taking the time to look at the improvements he’s shown in his all around game this season.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, of course.
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Poonagi Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@vplaza, I’ll reiterate… I realize the +/- stat can be a flawed on to go by. But let’s get real here… JJ has the worst +/- on the team! AGAIN! Do you really think this is insignificant? Do you think this is just chance? You’re right, off the top of my head I can not think of a specific turnover that costed us the game. But I SEE him blow coverage in our zone on a consistent basis.
Again, I like JJ. I think he’s improving. I would love to keep him if we could. But you have to give to get. And simply put, JJ is not a great player right now.
kingsfanInsano Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
@vplaza, how about when he let the puck slide between his legs at the far post to the open player behind just last week. Cant recall who we were playing but jack was just staring at the puck.
I understand we are some people’s anger. You have to give to get. And this is the value of Jeff Carter. Mayber now we can start scoring some goals.
Great trade if it’s only JJ!
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@Subby, salary cap issues. U not only have to give up and take talent. U also have to give and receive $$$$
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Subby Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
@fvkingsfan, ahh true
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MOVE DOUGHTY TO WING !!! I will say this a million times more and I AM RIGHT on this. He is terrible on D and he has the mad skills to score 30+ goals as a winger. Kopitar with Williams and Doughty on W. Then Richards with Carter and Brown.
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Oh NOW you can comment on rumors. Shouldn’t you wait unitl it’s official? What ever, Corn Flakes Hammond.
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McDonalds Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
@Daniel,
…He comments on rumors when they cease to be rumors and begin the process of becoming reality
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Mikey Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@McDonalds,
FACE. No one bashes the hammer.
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Daniel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@Mikey, I do. Been reading him for 5 years now and he has really gone sideways as a “journalist” since joining the Kings organization.
puddle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Daniel, It’s not a rumor, genius. He’s reporting on the FACT that the Kings are working on a deal centered around these two pieces. Totally different from a rumor. Get over yourself.
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Daniel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
@puddle, Read his recent posts on the subject. Facts don’t happen until they do. The difference here is that the organization has given him permission to put this out there.
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Rich Hammond Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
That’s completely false, but hey, whatever your irrational disdain is for me, run with it. Just as long as everyone is aware that you’re spreading falsehoods, I couldn’t care less.
puddle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@Daniel, “Facts don’t happen until they do.” …and they did. So what’s the problem?
Fact: The two sides are working on a deal that centers around JJ going to CBJ and Carter coming to LA. That does not mean it’s done. This is not the same as a rumor.
Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm
@Daniel, That is not fair, Rich goes out of his way not to take part in or comment on rumors. Did you think for a second maybe he is in a position to have some information you don’t. I think it is safe to assume Rich is able to report Columbus is talking to LA because they are. A deal isn’t announced yet but it doesn’t mean this information is just speculation. Rich also reported Sutter was going to be hired before he was signed or announced.
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Daniel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
@Osaka, You are missing the point. There have been many “reports” about “possible” deals throughout the season. The deal isn’t done. They may be talking. He suggests that there is a strong possibility that they are. Great. Mr. Lombardi has often said that it’s a GM’s job to always be on the phone, always asking about players, talking deals. Most of those conversation go nowhere. He always says no deal is done until the league receives a fax. Sometimes not even after that. So, the point it – why make this statement now? By his own definition, it’s still a rumor.
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BluLiner Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
@Daniel, Cornflakes? Apology time maybe?
So if it is JJ and a 1st for Carter…would you at the beginning of the year have traded Simmonds, Schenn, Johnson, and 1st & 2nd round picks for Richards and Carter? This basically sums up what the Kings did. Opinions?
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
@lordstanleyscup, Nope.
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puddle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
@lordstanleyscup, At the time, yes I would have done that. It’s easy to say now you wouldn’t because of hindsight, but I think I would have.
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UglyinLA Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@lordstanleyscup,
I would absolutely make that trade. The captain of the Flyers and his wingman? Imagine Kopitar and Brown being traded to another team for a grunt, a prospect, a struggling D-man, and a 1st and 2nd rounder.
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Jeff Carter and Mike Richards were two games away from winning a Cup two years ago. Have people forgotten this already? Putting them on the same team isn’t a disaster waiting to happen, as everyone seems to insist.
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Eric K, Then why did Philly get rid of them?
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OscarMollersBeard Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
@CB14, The needed to dump cap for Bryzgalov..
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:36 pm
@OscarMollersBeard, Not both of them.
Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@CB14, Why did they get rid of Richards?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
@Osaka, Because they had Giroux coming along and because Pronger told them too plus the long term contract to Bryz. He is getting 10 miilion this year. Carter and Richards make over 10 miilion.
Weasel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@Eric K,
I hope you are right. I hope, I hope, I hope……. Do you think this is a good deal then?
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Eric K Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
@Weasel, I think there are valid reasons not to like the trade. Reuniting Carter and Richards is not one of them.
(And I hope so too.)
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number 6 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
@Eric K,
Do you know that Eric?
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Eric K Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
@number 6, Honestly? No, I don’t. But I’m not going to evaluate this trade based on Philadelphia media blowing things out of proportion.
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I guess this means Kopi will be centering the third line then…which sounds about right.
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BobsYourUncle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@Capt Jam, Man you people are on crack or something…? Goodness!
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Capt Jam Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
@BobsYourUncle,
15/16 goals is adequate for a third line center who specializes in defense more than offense now. #thinkingoutsidethebox
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No, not Carter !!!!! We are too deep in cen
ters we need a winger we need Rick Nash
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@Roadhouse, Carter can play Wing.
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toemas_sandstrom Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
@Roadhouse, Columbus never intended to move Nash during the season. He’ll be dealt on draft day. Nash was the dangling carrot, so when teams were willing to walk away from Nash talks they’d say “We’re also entertaining offers for Carter” Carter was the only one of those two they were willing to deal…
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Let’s just see what happens. Maybe we get instantly better and don’t miss JJ All we can do is hope. That’s all we ever do anyway
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@408kingsfan,
“Maybe we can build a campfire, sing some songs.”
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What is this? Past Flyers reunion place of choice? Theres a reason the flyers traded these guys away. Jeff has a history of missing wide open net goals. According to an online article by Jason Sapunka a (featured columnist) on Bleacherreport.com, “Carter has several glaring downsides; an 11-year contract, a habit of missing wide open nets, a resistance to physical play, and a tendency to miss wide open nets…..as many pucks as Jeff Carter has put in the back of the net, he’s shot wide despite being set up perfectly.” Does this sound promising or what? I say keep your defenseman Kings. JJ has the potential of a number one Line defenseman.
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Eric K Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
@Secret Squirrel, Bleacher Report?! Come on, man.
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Gmo Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
@Secret Squirrel,
Or oilers
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
@Secret Squirrel, If a guy scores 40 goals who cares how many nets he misses.
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JACK, I SWEAR
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DL has officially gone off the deep end.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
@Hat trick, This is a great trade. He has a great cap hit and allows us to get another Winger this trade deadline and also go after a UFA July 1st, like Parise. Parise is better then Nash. Yes he may not sign here, but maybe he will especially with Carter we make the playoffs and make noise.
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Okay, I’m done being panicked by this rumor. At first I didn’t like it at all, but Cap Keek shows Carter’s cap hit isn’t horrible (although he sure has a LONG contract).
Someone make me feel better about this – Tell me a few reasons why this trade should work out for us. PLEASE
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DanielC Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@Weasel, has played wing w/ Richards. Had Career years w/ Richards on wing. Both lead Flyers to cup finals a couple seasons ago.
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@Weasel, Richards+Carter=Goals. Carter played wing on Richies line Philly. We have too many defenseman. Johnson can’t play defense. Carter can score.
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DanielC Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
@Michael666, +1
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BobsYourUncle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
@Weasel, Because you will learn to bleed orange and black whether you like it or not…
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Weasel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
@BobsYourUncle,
I’d piss orange and black if it meant a Stanley Cup Championship
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Euphonic Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
@Weasel, Voynov replaces JJ, potential offensive and defensive upgrade. Lots of upside with VV. Kings already deep on the blue line. Carter’s cap hit isn’t bad. No Penner/JJ/Stoll means room for a serious run at Parise in July. Risky though. DL is hoping that Carter responds to getting out of Columbus and being reunited with Richards.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:36 pm
@Weasel, Carter and Richards had over 120 points the year they went to the Finals.
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puddle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@Weasel,
1) Jack is the most overrated player on the Kings. The Kings traded him when he’s having a “career” (read: most points) season, even though he’s still a +/- disaster and makes game-changing bonehead plays in his own end on a nearly nightly basis.
2) Carter’s deal, while very long, is not a bad cap hit at all. I’d take Carter at $5.2 mil/year over Jack at $4 mil/year any day of any week on any planet.
3) Carter can play wing, and has played wing very successfully alongside Richards. He buries the puck, something no King player can claim this year.
4) Looks like Bernier is not included. This is excellent news in itself. Bernier’s presence alone is bargaining power and a safety net during negotiations with Quick.
5) If the Kings were going to deal anyone, you’d want it to be a defenseman – a position where the Kings are just plain stacked. And if you are going to trade a defenseman, you want to trade the one whose value is the most inflated. That would be Jack.
6) Carter is a no-question top 6 forward. THANK. GOD.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@puddle, +1
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@puddle,
I really would like to see proof of #1. Please point to the games this season where JJ made a game-changing bonehead play. Every night? Seriously? Maybe you were thinking of last year and the year before, but not this year.
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tim chaney Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:48 pm
@vplaza, if anything, greene gets twisted around more than anybody…
puddle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
@vplaza, Ok, I exaggerated for effect about nightly basis. And yes, he’s been better this year. But I will certainly stand by my belief that Jack, as talented as he might be offensively, is a defensive liability, and the Kings will be better off with Voynov in his place.
vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:51 pm
@time chaney,
Thank you, yes, and Greene is the “defensive” specialist. Plus Greene has a penchant for taking more penalties than JJ.
vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm
@puddle,
I figured it was an exaggeration, so point taken. But here’s my point. The guy has made every stride needed to improve. He’s made it clear he is a team player by negotiating his own contract with little fanfare. He is clearly on the upswing in his career and I’d much rather see him get to his potential here than somewhere else.
And in Carter, I see a player who is possibly on the downside, at least, showing a potential problem for how he handled the trade to CBJ. I’m more comfortable with JJ than with Carter.
And I think it was said somewhere else, the lack of good left handed shooting point men will hurt the Kings.
puddle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
@vplaza, One thing we can all agree on is Greene drives us crazy haha
I understand what you’re saying, but I think Jack was the only reasonable play here. Martinez and Voynov weren’t going to fetch a sniper. Doughty’s not going anywhere. Don’t want to give up any of our forwards since that’s just filling the hole you created. It had to be Jack. I understand the reluctance, but I just don’t think he’s ever going to be the guy we hoped he’d be. Again though, I can see why someone would disagree.
CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
@puddle, Regarding #6, so was Penner.
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puddle Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
@CB14,
Penner has topped 50 points once in 8 years and is a -16 for his career. Career high goals: 32.
Carter has topped 50 points 4 times in 7 years and is a +40 for his career. Career high goals: 46.
Don’t tell me they’re the same.
Weasel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
@CB14,
thanks to everyone who responded — i’m now cautiously excited about this possibility.
Seriously people, this deal makes sense. Obviously the asking price for Nash is way too much for DL to handle. Yah it’s a little much with the 1st rounder, but both salaries are almost equal and for the same length. I said this was a better move in an earlier post. If we only lose JJ and first rounder, you still have Bernier around for Quick’s negotiations, then you use him for something better down the road. Plus this still leaves enough cap space now, maybe to do something else(getting bottom six help). Has anyone even thought about that yet.
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bbb7 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@P90X, Plus if you’re able to move a player who SHOULD be on the 3rd line (either Brown or Nolan) down to that line you improve your bottom 6 as well.
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
@P90X, JJ’s deal runs from age 24 to age 31. Carters runs from age 26 to age 37, plus his cap hit is about a million more than JJ’s. That isn’t even close to equal.
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P90X Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@CB14, It’s a lot better than Nash’s deal. With that deal the Kings are at the max. No room for any other moves and no room to sign Quicker. They’re screwed either way. Plus with Carter coming in you hopefully get Richards going again. This guy is worth the trade. It ‘s an improvement.Really.
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NBMatthew Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@P90X, Completely agree. Of course I would be sad to see JJ go as he’s one of my favorites, but a shake up is needed. You never know what might spark a team, but the current make up isn’t doing it. If Richards and Carter’s chemistry is anything close to what it was in Philly than this ends up being a steal. And for those who argue against Carter’s contract, he was taking less money to stay in Philly than what he would have on the open market. And everyone claims the contract going to age 35 is awful… ummm… have you seen how many hockey players stay incredibly productive late into their career and that 35 isn’t even really considered late into their career anymore. Also, ever heard of inflation? Salaries go up by more then CPI each year so as years go on the amount we’re paying him essentially lessens just since the dollar is worth less, salary cap raises, etc.
PS – When Richards and Carter were tearing it up Gagne was the other Winger. Keep skating Gagne, we need you!
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1-0 Carolina over the Ducks in the 1st. Carolina really likes playing Pacific division teams.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
@Jeff_R, 1-1 Ducks tie it.
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:37 pm
@Jeff_R,
LOL, why are you torturing yourself? Admit to the inevitable that the Quacks are going to pass the Kings in the standings. Even if this trade comes to fruition.
Carter isn’t going to magically score goals after sucking all year long.
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@vplaza, Carter has 15 goals in 39 games. Nash has 20 in 60.
vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
@Michael666,
Yes, and we all know how forwards who come to the Kings start lighting the lamp when they get here.
Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
@vplaza, He has 15 goals in 39 games. Sucking?
Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
@vplaza, So Nash would be no different then.
vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
@Osaka,
Sucking? Have you missed the news that he has been a big DISAPPOINTMENT in CBJ this year after being traded? Having an allegedly poor attitude? +/- of -11 (and I don’t hold much credence to the +/- anyway)?
vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
@Michael666,
I can only guess, but I think Nash could be different. He isn’t “toxic” like some consider Carter. And he is a much better talent than Carter so if anyone could, he could overcome the Kings hex on new forwards.
My main complaint about this trade is including Johnson in the mix.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
@vplaza, Not going to rehash the amount of goals Carter has scored this season, but will say that Carter is different. He will score goals. His attitude was blown out of proportion in Philly and you can understand why he was upset about being traded to Columbus. However he didn’t open his mouth publicly all the while he was there. He is better defensively then he has shown this year, I mean Columbus is horrible defensively as a team so it is no wonder they are mostly a minus. Carter himself has scored this week almost the same amount of Goals the whole Kings team scored.
DO NOT MAKE THIS DEAL DEAN!!!!
Are you kidding me? Carter’s contract is a joke, he’s injury prone and he’ll turn out to be another bust. Even if he’s half decent, it’s not worth it. We can’t win the cup or even make it out of the 1st round with this current team unless Quick post 4 shoutouts. Get some balls and show some leadership DL.
Here is some help:
Dear Fans,
We have a good young team especially in the goalie and defensive areas. It’s no secret we can’t score goals and need help at the forward spot. In looking at who is available at the trade deadline and what assets we would have to give up, we have decided that no trade would make our team better than it is today. It will be our goal to aggressively pursue the freeagent market this summer in an attempt to aquire 2 elite goal scorers. I thought I’d give it to you straight rather than make a trade that ultimately hurts our team.
Sincerely,
Dean
We would respect that a whole lot more than what is being reported. Don’t do it Dean, Don’t do it!!!!!!!!!!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@KYerky, How is Carter injury prone? This is the only year he has missed games. Last 4 seasons he has scored over 100 goals how is this not a good trade. Carter along with Richards made it to the Stanley Cup Finals together. His contract yes is long but at a cap hit of only 5.2 million it sets us up to make more deals whether through trades or UFA’s in the Summer. Along with another forward coming in we will be able to score now, as we will have finishers.
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KYerky Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
@Jeff_R,
right now our roster sucks. we are outmanned everytime we take the ice. He’s not the answer and JJ is playing a hell of a lot better than DD (don’t even bring up his last 2 goals. Team still lost) We should not trade a proven NHL defensmen for something that is not going to make us any better. So maybe we slide into the 8th spot and get whacked bt Detroit or Vancouver agian in the first round. DL needs to go and who ever comes in as the GM needs to acquire some forward talent. Look at any other team in the league. Their top 6 are uaually as good or better than our one good player (#11) We have a buch of 4th liners, a few 3rd liners, one or two 2nd Liners and one 1st Line forward. Plain and simple. You gonna put him with Richards and they are going to be the 1st line? Kopi gets screwed again!?! This is not a good trade.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@KYerky, Our roster does not suck. We have a top 3 defense plus a Vezina candidate in Quick. Our only problem is finishing. If we had score 15-20 goals more this year we would be way in first place. Jeff has 15 goals in 39 games. he and Mike Richards play real well together. Not only will this get Richards going again, but it will help us to win games instead of losing because we can’t score. Carter is a finisher something we don’t have. Not only that but we will be making another trade for another scorer to play with Kopi.
Geesh people, Carter can play wing! Richards played on a line with Carter and took the Flyers to the Stanley Cup Finals two years ago.
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DEH Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
@Marbles, Think about the potential of this line
Richards Kopi Carter
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
@DEH,
Its nice…until you think about the 2nd line
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Bottom line here people, we can’t trade Bernier away. Nothing is guaranteed we sign Quick. A stupid GM would trade away a starting back-up when our current starter’s contract is up. Personally, I would let Quick walk and make Bernier our starter, a much better technically sound goalie for a cheaper price.
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DEH Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
@Chris05, agreed, I would even go so far as to trade Quick for Nash if there was any indication that Quick might not resign for under a 5 mil cap.
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This is my first comment on here,but from all I’ve heard about Carter,I say no way!!! He my be as bad as Penner. Go for Weber or wait till summer to see what availible.
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:48 pm
@SIRGUY, weber? Am I missing something?
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
@Lake Forest, More like Parise
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just wait until Carter gets a load of Kompon’s crap…
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DEH Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@Mike, well Carter Murders Kompon in “practice” and everyone wins
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
@DEH, LOL…Where is Tanya Harding when you need her.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:51 pm
@DEH,
“Carter goes Sprewell on Kompon” LOL
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@Mike, Bernie Nicholls will talk to him. Carter will listen to him, not Jamie.
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DrewStopCrossChecking Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
@Mike, Can Kompon be part of the trade???
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Carter is a bad guy because CBJ are dumping him? They are also dumping Nash. They are dumping the whole team! Columbus is spending near the cap and have the worse record in the league, they are going for a rebuild. Why would the owner spend so much for no results? He can cut the payroll and still lose.
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@HayesTSN: Are people really questioning Carter’s attitude issues? The guy’s been traded twice in less than a year. Connect the dots.
39 minutes ago @HayesTSN: Carter has had 1 great year (08-09 – 84 pts) & has a terrible attitude. The guy’s got 11 years left on his deal. Wouldn’t take him for free.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
@Subby, who you going to trust him or Bob Mckenzie? Bob said Carter would be the better choice for the Kings instead of Nash and will get back to his level of play the last 3 years playing with Richards. Plus how do you say he only had one good year. I think the fact that he had 3 seasons of 30+ goals with one those 40+ shows he has been good multiple years.
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Subby Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
@Jeff_R, idk aha I was just posting it for people to see aha
I’m hoping Carter al get Richards scoring.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
@Subby, Hey if he can do what he did the other night against the Sharks when we play them the next 3 times I am all for it.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:48 pm
@Subby, I don’t even know who Hayes is!!!!
Jay GoLAKings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@Subby, I would take him for a Coke after what happened at the Pepsi Center
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UglyinLA Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
@Subby,
I think you’re overlooking one key variable. Carter was Richards’ wingman in Philly. Its like getting your best buddy back on the same line.
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Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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Not sure if already posted but here’s the latest from the LA Times
looking like Johnson and a first-rounder for Carter but nothing officially announced yet
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Well Bernier is not part of this deal apparently, so if it’s JJ for Carter then we could do Bernier for Hemsky or maybe DL will surprise everyone and hit it out of the ballpark and package JJ and Bernier + others for a Nash + Carter deal?
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deedub Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
@DEH,
Bernier for Hemsky?? You’ve got to be kidding. I believe Hemsky’s a UFA this summer. More like Bernier for JVR or package for Derek Roy, Jason Pominville, etc.
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Nikko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@DEH, That’s my hope as well and that “other player” would be Brown and rip that C away and hand it to Quick.
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I really like JJ and hate to see him traded. I thought he was part of the core after signing a home-town, cap-friendly contract. However, it may be possible he does not bleed purple like we all thought. Actually, a trade might be good for JJ, this could be the next step to furthering his career.
think about it….
1) In Columbus he is a lot closer to his family
2) In LA, he would always play in the shadow of our $7M D-man. We always saw Jack at his best with Doughty out of the line-up. In other words, he played best as a #1 offensive D-man.
3) Leaving the Dean-Sutter defensive scheme, he should be able to open up his game and get back to the offensive D-man we know he can be.
As for Carter, I know it’s a desperate move, but I would be devastated if we had gone the Nash route and traded away Bernier before signing Quick. Also, we can still go after Parise this summer! We all know 1 guy won’t fix this team, but Carter is the first step imo. One thing is for sure, it can’t get any worse!!
Next Season could be phenomenal if we get Parise.
Parise-Kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Carter
Lewis-Loktionov-Brown
Clifford-Fraser-Westgarth
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
@Niko, Gagne is done.
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Cynic Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:48 pm
@Osaka, Yep. Pretty much. Shame.
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Niko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
@Osaka,
That’s what I thought too, but then Rich posted this earlier today…
I’m still pulling for him.
“Gagne said he’s been skating every day and feels good, but it’s still not known when/if he might be able to return from his concussion. Incidentally, I saw Gagne hit the net at least eight consecutive times with one-timers from the right circle. I’m not sure if I have seen that in any Kings practice/game this season. Perhaps Gagne is more ready than he realizes.”
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tim chaney Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
@Niko, toffoli on the 3rd line? always possible…
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Do you think theDucks would take Penner?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
@Subby, More like the Maple Leafs. Burkie signed Penner originally.
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NOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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Excellent….Sutter will whip him up.
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Look where all our Character guys have got us, time we bring in an a-hole.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
@Osaka,
good one!
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Shuchuk Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
@tacomakingsfan, sign all the a-holes! spezza! heatley! hell, avery?!?!?!
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
@Shuchuk, Spezza is 4th in the league in scoring.
If your name’s not Kopitar or Quick, good riddance
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Shuchuk Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:51 pm
@Ukwazoo, what’s a “Kopitar”?
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When is the organization going to realize this is a coaching/management issue and not a player issue? The players we have now are stars, and have shown their scoring potential. They just need the right people and system to make this team work.
Trading away players every year hasn’t worked. We have traded for 30 goal scorers before- they come here and dry up. There is something fundamentally wrong with LA’s system and until that changes, they can trade for Crosby, Ovechkin, whoever they want. It’s not going to work.
I can’t wait for Lombardi to be fired.
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tim chaney Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
@Morgueanna, let detroit be your model, and quit looking at philly.
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Good because: Carter only has a 5.2 million cap hit (not bad for a 30+ goal scorer and Ruutu just signed for 4.2 million) BUT the biggest thing is it would re-unite Richards and Carter which people should know is a crazy 1-2 punch on the same line. Carter scored 40 goals skating on the wing with Richards.
Bad because: JJ’s gonna be missed but Voynov will get called up and he’s gonna develop into a fine defenseman.
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Capt Jam Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
@Kinglers55,
Considering that everyone on this team is producing at half of their normal output, would $5.2M for 15 goals be a good deal?
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Eric K Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
@Capt Jam, It’s a better deal than $4.25 M for five goals, haha.
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art Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
@Kinglers55,
Ruutu signed for 4.75 cap hit and it appears Hemsky may resign with Edmonton for 5.0 cap hit. I’d say that 5.2 is a pretty good deal and will look pretty good in 3 years, maybe not so good in 9 years. Hate to see Johnson go, but you gotta give something to get something. Voynov will be a good replacement and hope that Hickey pans out. I guess there will still be some cap space left over to try getting Parise, and as bad as Stoll has been, the organization likes the guy and would love to bring him back at a lower cap hit. We could have 3 good scoring lines if the guys actually play better.
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FIRST AND FOREMOST, DO NOT TRADE JACK JOHNSON – get him some glasses so he can hit the net. He is our best left haded shooting defenseman, and these are important on the power play. Imagine how bad our power play would be without Jack!
Interesting trades offered up on this site. But let’s look at the long term effects. Both Quick and Bernier have contracts expiring in summer 2013. We will likely want to keep one of them, if not both, here in LA. If we want to offer up Quick, we might be able to swing a Parise trade straight up. Lamorello will absolutely take the chance that he can re-sign Quick next summer. Parise is by all accounts a high energy, quality professional, who never takes days off and produces regardless of the circumstances, rarely having and “off” game. Like Quick…
We have salaries coming off the books this summer and next, which will allow us to re-sign Quick even with the raise he will be seeking. Penner will be gone. Mitchell will have a new contract somewhere (hopefully here).
Problem is, there is simply very little out there. Nash will be expensive and has long since become accustomed to losing. Carter has been a winner in the past, and is clearly not happy in Columbus (did any one notice his hat trick the other day?) Who is to say he’ll be happy here? He is obviously not enough of a professional to suck it up and play his best hockey despite his thought on playing in Columbus. In my book, that makes him a head case and not worth the risk, especially with his current, VERY long contract. JVR is fun to watch, likes to win and seems a consumate professional, although I am not as familiar with him as some of the others…What would be very bad for this team would be to see Nash get traded to San Jose, and, in an effort to placate the fans, the Kings get Carter and give up too much for him.
I’m leaving out a few names – the “enigmatic” players like Hemsky and Alexander Semin, the “no chance” players like Bobby Ryan, anyone the swindlers in Edmonton have to offer short of Hall or Nugent, and all the no-help “veteran character” guys. Our character is just fine…in fact, if nice guys really do finish last, maybe we need a couple of SOB’s who won’t be denied instead. Remember, guys who win Conn Smyth trophies usually win cups. Guys who win Lady Bing trophies don’t. Ruuttu has been re-signed in Carolina…the available players seem a pathetic lot. Maybe we should sell when everyone else is buying like they do in the stock market. Kopitar would likely bring a very Nash-like return if we let him go (just food for thought, people, please don’t crucify me).
Which brings us full-circle to Quick for Parise, straight up or with a prospect on the side either way…
-AJN
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bbb7 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
@GKG, I actually think our PP would be better with VV instead of JJ, and obviously the coaches think JJ hasnt been crucial since theve gone with Richards on the point with DD instead of Jj (tho, granted, to no improvement.) VV is more creative than JJ and doesnt always try to blast it; he looks to make passes to tip, which JJ rarely does.
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GKG Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:18 pm
@bbb7, VV is a finesse player, like most Europeans, and, as such, he has had pretty good results and has a lot of upside as a scoring defenseman. Jack, like DD, will hit you from time to time, is stronger on the puck, particularly with respect to the ever important “stick on puck” play as a defenseman. These are 2 different players, and with his seniority, Jack had better be (and is) a much better player than VV right now. We are all blinded by goals and the lack thereof. Does anyone remember who got our first game winning goal this year (and how?) and under what circumstances? That was creative and intelligent play by the passer (MR) and the receiver/shooter. Who were our two best players in the playoffs against Vancouver 2 years ago when our power play was on fire? DD and JJ. JJ has been there, is cap friendly, and under Sutter, his +- has been the best it has been his entire career. Send Brownie for Carter, keep JJ, lose Whiskey somewhere along the road, and get VV up in a less high-profile situation as a bottom-3 defenseman…he’s not ready for JJ’s minutes or responsibilities yet on a night-in and night-out basis.
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This is a REALLY long physical…
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The LA FLOYLERS?
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What if we get Carter and DS doesn’t play him with Richards, like TM refused to play Gagne with Richards for the longest time? haha …I hope DS isn’t that stubborn.
Maybe Gagne (at some point) – Richards – Carter …
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
@King John,
Why do you think Gagne is working so hard to get back – he thinks he is going to be reunited with his linemates.
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At this point the deal has to happen, or you’ve got Jack Johnson having been traded…and then not getting traded…and no matter how professional he tries to be or succeeds in being, you’d have to trade him for Pau Gasol sooner than being able to keep him and keep the team focused. It’s too far gone not to happen now. But if it takes Jack Johnson and a first to get the LESSER of the two guys in Columbus, I wonder what it’ll take for Columbus to move Nash at all, and if they’ll end up losing him for nothing because no one will meet their price.
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Shuchuk Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
@Mel Powell, don’t confuse NHL players for baby-ass NBAers. JJ will be fine, he’s a grown up.
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Bob MacKenzie is now reporting Dustin Brown could be on his way out. DL is running for the hills!
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm
@California Royalty, don;t see it on his twitter
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California Royalty Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
@Michael666, Was on the intermission of the Leafs/Sharks game.
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm
@California Royalty, I really hope that is not the case.
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toemas_sandstrom Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
@California Royalty, Dennis Bernstein @DennisTFP Close
Bob McKenzie says Kings Jonathan Bernier and Dustin Brown (good cap hit) in discussion though nothing close.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
@California Royalty, He said there are discussions involving Bernier and Dustin Brown. Maybe it is for Buffalo’s Pomminville and Stafford.
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
@Jeff_R, Why would Buffalo want Bernier?
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
@CB14,
Miller to CBJ for Nash
California Royalty Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
@CB14, Rumors are swirling that Miller might be on the move.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
@CB14, Yea Miller might be moved. Wonder if Detroit would try to get him.
Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
@Jeff_R, Wow!
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CL Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
@California Royalty, It would be sad to see the captain go. Especially sad for him if he really has that famed tattoo…
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11 years still left on Carter’s contract… WOW I don’t like that… Could be good for a few years but what if he goes flat for the rest.. Not good too risky for long term
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
@Jay GoLAKings, Look at each year. It is a sliding scale the money goes down after the 5th year. It would be easy to trade after that if they choose to do so.
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Weasel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
@Jay GoLAKings,
I hate that part too — But I’ll gladly suffer next Tuesday for a Stanley Cup today.
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Jay GoLAKings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@Weasel, I thought your name was Weasel not Wimpy… lol
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Niko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@Jay GoLAKings,
DL had to do something, standing pat would have been a bigger risk imo. No deal is ever going to be perfect. The contract is long, which is why he could be had for a still-developing offensive D-man. The low cap hit (compared to a Nash trade) allows us to go after Parise this summer and keep Bernier (thank god). If he goes flat in a few years, trade him for prospects. Ideally he will have a Cup (or 2) on his resume by that point
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art Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
@Jay GoLAKings,
Well if he goes flat they can send him down to Manchester to play for the remaining 5 years. They’d still pick up his salary, but it would be down to 3mil, 2mil and 2mil for the final 3 years. It’s AEG’s money, not mine. We’re already paying the higher ticket prices.
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We better get another player along with Carter if we’re trading Johnson AND a 1st!
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Did something happen? What did I miss???
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
@Lake Forest,
Kings won the stanley cup!!
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CB14 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
@Lake Forest, We landed on the moon!
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
@CB14, I vote for this as best response. “We landed on the moon people!!!!!”
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Mel Powell Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
@CB14, Please, if the Kings tried to land on the moon we’d hit the post.
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
@Lake Forest, Can’t tell. I’m distracted by the trade deadline.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@Dominick,
Dammit you beat me to it!
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Wow,
THANKS to everyone who responded to my last post asking for reasons to feel good about this potential trade. I DO feel much better now. I’m beginning to hope it does happen (as long as Bernier is retained).
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
@Weasel, If Bernier is traded DL will obtain a backup. Possibly Conklin.
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Weasel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
@Jeff_R,
Noooo, Jeff Bernier is a #1 goalie (imo) – I’d trade him, but not as a throw in.
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loskingpride Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
@Jeff_R, Conklin just got sent down to the AHL two days ago didn’t he?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
@loskingpride, Yes. Might be a little tricky but we can get him. Or else find someone else.
love jj but he’s a consistent – player on a defensive team. voynov is smarter with the puck and is on pace to match jj’s point output.
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
@rene, It will change with a different responsibility for VV. VV doesn’t even have 1/2 JJ’s offensive output. JJ also averages 22:31 minutes a game, and VV averages 18:02. JJ matches up against the top 3 offensive pairings offensively/defensively, while VV covers 3rd and 4rth line players, and only matches up against top 3 match ups in mostly offensive situations.
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rene Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
@Dominick, we’ll see. ppg are almost identical and jj has logged a lot of pp time. jj has always been a – player. there has been enough of a sample size on jj.
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
@rene, JJ was a minus becuase of how he was used. Since Sutter took over, he’s only been a -2 in close to 30 games. Huge difference from when Murray was his coach where he was a -10 in the same amount of games.
Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
@rene, Also, the first time VV was called up, he had 7 points. He was sent down, then called up for a longer stint before being sent down again. He currently has a total of 11 points now. 4 points since his first call up.
NOOOO!! dont do it!!!
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brown is next.
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Reports are JJ and a #1 pick for Carter…still think it’s worth it? Why not just throw in Bernier and get Nash?
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@stickboy, Because that wouldn’t be close to enough.
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broncokings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
@stickboy, where are these reports coming from
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Niko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
@stickboy,
Would have to be more like Bernier + Brown.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
@Niko,
Just think. Our #1 goal scorer from last year and captain being traded in a package.
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Nikko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
@DesertKing, let’s be honest. it doesn’t take much to be a #1 goal scorer on this team.
stickboy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
@stickboy, Bernier, DD and Penner…lose all the dead weight (minus Bernier, I like him) in one trade and get Nash.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
@stickboy, Columbus doesn’t want Bernier and most likely we weren’t on Nash’s list. Better yet this deal and others could help us to land Parise in the Summer, who is better then Nash.
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If they trade JJ their would be no defense, no sniper or someone who has a great feel for the game. I think DL would be fired if he made that trade because DL has no sense of pride or faith in the team. I would get rid of doughty and pennar because they are the ones slowing the team down and do not play to their potential. We have talent and yes we need more offensive guys, but there is something else going on in that locker that is reflecting on the whole team and why there is no sense of urgency or consistency.
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Michael666 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@RMV299, Suderi, Greene, and Mitchell would beg to differ on that first sentence of yours.
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RMV299 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
@Michael666, i do not think so because he is the only one shooting, because no else is.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
@RMV299, JJ has like 6 goals how is that a sniper?
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RMV299 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
@Jeff_R, 8 goals to be exact and he shoots from the point. A sniper is a long distant shooter, most of his goals are from the point.
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Nikko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
@RMV299, do you want to score goals or not? maybe you like this type of misery when watching hockey?
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JJ Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
@RMV299,
DL will be fired if he doesn’t make any moves. No playoffs, no job. Maybe even no second round, no job. His paragraph answers to yes or no questions have become old to TL.
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holy crap, we just traded for Marty McSorley & Grant Fuhr!!!!!
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
@Shuchuk,
you wouild think so with all this hype
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Weasel Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
@Shuchuk,
Ohh back in the day that Fuhr trade killed us…..And then he revived as soon as he left.
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Bleh. Don’t like it. Trading a guy with character and untapped upside for yet another streaky scorer that is earning a rep as a locker room cancer. Smells of a GM abandoning his values because he’s desperate to keep his job…
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stickboy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
@Bill M., I agree…DL see’s the end of the tunnel…another failed experiment…he’s probably already talking to Columbus about GM job there.
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EternalOptimist Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
@Bill M.,
Never heard anything bad about Carter in Philly so I don’t know where these cancer in the locker room rumors are coming from. If he is such a bad guy, why did the Flyers offer him a 10 year contract?
Anyway, if he does wind up here, let’s give him a chance before throwing him under the bus.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
@EternalOptimist, I know I have to scratch my head on that.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
@Bill M., Bill you need to look at Carters stats the guy is not injury prone by any means and is not a streaky scorer,my list for his stats is a couple of posts down and like Eternal said why would Philly give him a 10 year contract if he was a cancer.
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How many centers would the Kings have if this is true? Could it actually be a precursor to a second move?
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
@ForumFan, 6000000000
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UglyinLA Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
@ForumFan,
Yes, I’m thinking they can now trade Williams, Cliford, and Brown for three more centers !!
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Anthony Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
@UglyinLA, Yeah trade them for Andrew Bynum. Then trade JB and DB for dwight howard.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:18 pm
@ForumFan, Just because Center is there Natural position doesn’t mean they can’t play wing. What does Pittsburgh do when Crosby and Malkin play on the same line, which they have done at times.
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Hey Rich I hope your planning on staying up late to post if and when this happens as I will be glued to the computer waiting….:)
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we should be more worried about Calgary winning tonight
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GET CARTER!!!!
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Something has gotta be going down soon if Rich is posting about this.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
@art,
That is so almost “3 hours ago”
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As usual – we need wingers after starting the season with the best 1-2-3-4 center line-up in the league and what are the trade talks centering on – another center. But if Cater and MR were linemates, how did that happen if they were both centers?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
@DesertKing, A Center can’t play Wing?
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
@Jeff_R,
I guess? I just get confused with all the stuff that flies around – “get because he scores” and “don’t get him because he is a center.” Just mae a deal for Parise and there would be no argument there. He’s a winger who scores and plays defense.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
@DesertKing, Hopefully July 1st
I really don’t know where people get the idea that Carter is injury prone or a cancer,so here are the stats for both Carter and JJ,I’m fullt aware that they play different positions so please don’t go there.JJ is 25 and Carter is 27,JJ is 6’1, 220 ish and Carter is 6’4 200,Carter was a 1st round ( 11th overall), and JJ is a -90.
Carter
05/06- 81-GP…23 G 19 A 7 PPG
06/07- 62-GP…14 G 23 A
07/08- 82 GP…29 G 24 A 7 PPG
08/09- 82-GP…46 G 38 A 13PPG
09/10- 74-GP…33 G 28 A 11 PPG
10/11- 80-GP…36 G 30 A 8 PPG +/- +27
11/12- 39-GP…15 G 10 A 8 PPG
only one year did he have a bad +/-,
JJ
07/08- 74-GP…3 G 8 A minus 19
08/09- 41-GP…6 G 5 A minus 18
09/10- 80-GP…8 G 28 A minus 15
10/11- 82-GP…5 G 37 A minus 21
11/12- 61-GP…8 G 16 A minus 12
I wish we could keep JJ, I wish we could keep all the players even Penner and Stoll ( yeah right) but we have to look at the facts,this team stinks right now and we can give up some of our D for scoring, I mean heck JJ is the worst we have just by his +/- and all of this stuff we hear about Carter is hearsay.
I know we have all pretty much liked having Richards here and Carter is his best friend, I’m sure Richards will take care of Carter if the rumors are true. I still think we need another player, and when we are done with Pens and Stoll it will open up some space.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
@LVKINGS88,
Kompon is looking at those PPG numbers and thinking “oooo, a new toy. I just need to find the perfect position for him on the half-board, like standing right next to Kopi, They would look perfect together.”
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
@DesertKing, HAHA DK, really! I think Kompon should be part of the deal, JJ and Kompon and some Pinks hotdogs for Carter and, what does the city of Columbus have? mmmm how about just Carter.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
@DesertKing, Carters stats are pretty good though, I think he was plus 27 last year,wow plus 27 I don’t think our whole combined is that good this year or last. I think Carter will be happy coming here,unlike Penner who last year was happy not being in shape or responsible at all.I also think it paves the way for more free agents to think about coming here,maybe Parise, but I don’t have the numbers on such a deal, somethings gotta change and we as fans rifgt now don’t have any say.
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One side bar to this situation, if the deal goes thru:
No one, NO ONE EVER will give Dean Lombardi/LA Kings a home team discount on a contract ever again.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
@IceGuy, Did DD give us a discount?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
@IceGuy, Didn’t seem to hurt Philly trading Carter and Richards shortly after singing long term sweetheart deals. This is a business the players understand it.
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EternalOptimist Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@IceGuy,
Was JJ’s contract really a home discount? In looking at the stats LVKINGS88 posted above, I think he’s actually overpaid right now. In the future, he may turn out to be a bargain, but not now.
If you want to see a home discount, look at Lidstrom’s salary.
At least we’re not the Flyers who actually traded Carter away before his 10 year contract even kicked in!
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Well if he comes to LA I hope he is happy because he has shown he is only productive when happy. But I really dont want to give up Jack for him, I’d say Penner, Loktionov, Martinez and a high draft pick.
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JB, DB, 2nd round pick and a prospect for Rick Nash & Mason
Penner-kopitar-Nash
Gagne-Richards-Carter
king-Loktionov-Williams
Nolan-Stoll-Fraser
Mitchell-Doughty
Scuderi-Voynov
Martinez-Green
Quick
Mason
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King Alex Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
@mike in LA, Penner in DONE here bro!
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mike in LA Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
@King Alex, Maybe, but picture how dominant a line could be with the whole 1st line with 6-4 200+ players on it.
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CL Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@mike in LA, Why on earth would we want Mason?
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broncokings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@CL, if you trade bernier I would think you need a backup goalie….
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CL Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
@broncokings, Are there none in Manchester? Mason’s post-rookie numbers are far too Cloutieresque to mess with.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@mike in LA, First off if the Kings were to get Nash they would have to include Penner. Also Gagne won’t be coming back anytime soon. Nash isn’t coming to L.A. That ship has sailed. Think more about Buffalo guys coming here, Pomminville, Roy or Stafford.
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Eric K Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
@mike in LA, Bernier to Mason is a major drop unless Mason gets his confidence back. But it’s an offensive upgrade. Not sure if LA would be willing to make that deal.
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Okay, okay, NOW I’m distracted by the trade deadline…..
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was penner a first round pick?maybe we could send him in the deal?
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broncokings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
@broncokings, never mind he was never drafted
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I like this trade if is is straight up. I have been asking for Carter for awhile now. I am pretty sure Kings brass spoke with Mike Richards & if Carter is good to go by Richards standards, I’ll take him in a heart beat. Richards deserves this after carrying that Penner Piano and the Stoll Stool on his back this season. I can give a rats behind about the length of the contract as it has no NTC clause. We can cut him outright or ship him off down the road if necessary. Now the Kings must loosen up the D mentality and let the offence loose. We still have depth on D and are strong in goal. If DL can’t get the offence going, he will go & we will still be strong up the middle, on the back end & in goal. That will be a great starting point for a new GM if we need to go down that road. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this works out & that Gagne can make the same comeback he did at last season’s playoff push. This type of trade was needed as we were going down in flames as it was.
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I am relieved that a desperate Dean Lombardi didn’t deal more away. I was more worried about what he would give up than with what we would get. My fear is that he isn’t done. We still don’t have enough to make noise in the playoffs, if we get there, but at least the foundation is in place to continue building for the future. Maybe Anonymous could jam Dean’s phone service until Monday afternoon.
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broncokings Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
@JackKent Cooke, I could see another trade happening
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Ha ha ha ha! You guys use logic to deduct that Carters numbers won’t nosedive once he gets here…………becuase?
Didn’t his numbers nosedive when he got to Columbus? This is so much more different becuase……..this is the Kings, and it just makes sense that it has to work.
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bbb7 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
@Dominick, I would expect his numbers to resemble those on Columbus, since they are as offensively challenged as the Kings… which would mean, at his goals/game average, if he played every game he would lead the Kings in goals.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
@Dominick, This season Carter’s numbers project to 31 goals if he played a whole season. Nosedive? I think you are making thing up.
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
@Osaka,
Let me do the math for you. He currently has 15 goals, and that puts him on pace for 23 goals at his current pace.
Let me know if I’m going too fast?
He scored 5 goals in his last 9 games to boost that number up, or he would of been on pace to score 19.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
@Dominick, I said a full season Einstein, he played 39 games. 82 games in a season. He was out injured awhile .
Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
@Osaka, Yes, lets not forget the guy just came back from a seperated shoulder.
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Osaka Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:06 pm
@Dominick, But it projects out to 31.5 goals. Nosedive.
Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
@Osaka, Also, his ptsPG is currently 0.64. Lowest total in 4 seasons.
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EternalOptimist Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
@Dominick,
How did his numbers nosedive in Columbus? He’s got 15 goals in 35ish games. That projects to 30+ goals if he was completely healthy this year.
He had 40+ goals once with Richards as his center… if he ends up here, let’s give a shot first before questioning the move.
One aspect of his game that I haven’t heard mentioned in his ability in front of the net/net presence. This could provide a big lift to our PP.
The more I think about this deal, the more it makes sense and could turn this season around. We just need to sneak into the playoffs and with this team and Quick in net, we can beat anyone!
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
@EternalOptimist, and? Dustin Penner scored 32. He’s on pace to score 7 (if he even plays again). Kopi is our leading scorer, and has scored over 30 twice, and he’s on pace to score 17.
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snbrdsummit Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:09 pm
@EternalOptimist,
Shot given to Justin Williams “A proven 30 goal scorer”. – Injury then Underperform
Shot given to Dustin Penner – Underperform
Shot given to Mike Richards – Underperform
Shot given to Ryan Smyth – Underperform
Shot given to Marco Sturm – Underperform
Shot given to Alexei Ponikarovsky – Underperform
Shot given to Simon Gagne – Injured and possibly not going to return
Shot given to Halpern, Fraser, Moraeu, Hunter, Modin…. I could do this for everyone we’ve acquired since Lombardi took over.
Not a single player we have picked up has equalled or exceeded their projected production for this team. EVERYONE underperforms.
Now here’s a nice change of pace:
Since being traded…
Ryan Smyth – Exceeded expectations
Brayden Schenn – Exceeded expectations
Brian Boyle – Exceeded expectations
Teddy Purcell – Exceeded expectations
Matt Moulson – Exceeded expectations
Michael Cammalieri – Exceeded Expectations
Brad Stuart – Exceeded Expectations
Kyle Quincey – Exceeded Expectations
Wayne Simmonds – Progressing as expected
Oscar Moller (Swedish League) – 25 points in 48 games {I like this kid and think he got a bum rap}
Not everyone we trade away exceeds expectations, but the majority do. However, 100% of players never meet nor exceed expectations when traded to the Kings from another NHL team.
At some point we have to wake up and realize that it’s not the players. It’s the coaching.
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
@snbrdsummit, Nice post. I was working on something similar to show the difference in when players were here, and when they left, but you pretty much summed it up nicely.
JJ is a lifetime -100 or so. He is a nice guy and plays hard but is poor on defense and can’t seem to get his shots on net so bring up Voynov and say hello to Carter.
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I’m not sure this is a good move for the Kings. Carter has 10 years remaining on his contract and that is a lot of years for a guy who is injured a lot. On top of that, Richards & Carter were toxic to the Flyers locker room. They divided that team last season. The Flyers were also upset about the amount of partying the two did together. This good be trouble for the Kings locker room
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:05 pm
@Eric, …maybe they need a little “trouble” in the locker room…..best buds doesn’t seem to be working…
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One of two things will happen, Carter will become a bust like Richards has been so far. Or Richards and Carter will use their chemistry to get this team going. I hope its the latter scenario.
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Niko Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
@408kingsfan,
A risk worth taking imo
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I can hear San Jose laughing at us from Redondo Beach. Man did we get a colossal kick to the nuts this year…
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
@snbrdsummit, Respectfully disagree. Yes, they are better than us but in games played they barely beat us. An offensive threat is no joke to them.
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snbrdsummit Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
@LA_1968,
I was just talking about Dean Lombardi… He seems to be falling apart at the seams.
Not so much San Jose’s team production….
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
@snbrdsummit, ….feel like they won’t be laughing so much after Mar 20….
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Done deal. https://twitter.com/#!/darrendreger
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
@Liza, McKenzie too confirm pending physical. Wow.
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Trade done.
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If this is true, I am glad to get Carter but sad to see JJ go. Seems like he worked hard, had good character and was a big part of this team for the past few years. Thanks for helping to set the power play on fire in the playoffs against Vancouver, JJ. Good luck in Columbus.
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Confirmed!
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Where has all this talk that Carter has tanked this season come from? He was injured this season, but even after being traded to the worse team in the league with the 27th offense, his numbers project out for a full season are still 31.5 goals.
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Carter for Johnson and a 1st in 2012. 2013 if we don’t make playoffs.
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The trade is final
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Hearing that JJ to be packaged with Nash + goalie possibly to Sharks in big deal. Also that Brown is gone.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
@mortonie, …really?….who are the Sharts giving up?….Marleau and Thornton?..
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I atleast hope theres free shipping on this deals.
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Bob McKenzie
Jeff Carter has been traded to LAK for Jack Johnson and 1st round pick. Pending a medical tomorrow.
just got it off his twitter….
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What really irks me about this deal is that the Kings assumed all the risk. Lombardi should have held out for a second rounder in 2012 or at least a 3rd!
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Wow, can’t wait for Saturday’s game!
Good luck in Columbus JJ!
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welcome aboard Carter!!
good luck Jack, thanks for the ups and downs.
Props to Deano on pulling something, and possibly not being finished yet.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
@Newf, ….yeah hopefully….Brownie next?…
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CRAP…Can only welcome Carter to our home town and thank JJ and wish him the best. As I sit here it doesn’t sound good to me to give up a KING for an unknown. I truly hope in the end we get a KING in return. Not a former Flyer or Blue Jacket, but someone who buys into and “owns” his role as a King, in our fan base and our community. Someone who wants to be a KING and will cherish this opportunity with fierce loyalty, untiring work ethic, creativity, brotherhood and success. Someone who will be an embassador to the community and truly love being a member of this team and all that it represents. Happiness is not getting what you want (Drew Doughty), it is wanting what you’ve got. Join our nation under these circumstances Carter, or not at all.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
@GKG, …if he does he’ll be the first…
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its official now
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I would have preferred to keep JJ and trade DD for Nash stright up. I know what I’m losing in JJ – not a stay at home Dman but one that has pretty decent hands and score occassionaly. I’m not so sure what I’m getting with Carter. Too much of a gamble. I KNOW what I’m getting with Nash.
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However, we now need to get Pomminville. Stopping here would be a shame. We need more otherwise all we did was get Richards a party buddy.
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Now, lets see if we can get Vanek for Brown and Penner. If NY trades for Nash, maybe we can get Gaborik. If we start scoring some goals Quick can lead us to the Stanley Cup this year, as long as we don’t have to play Detroit in the 1s round.
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crashin'da net Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:58 pm
@art, I like it
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
@art, ….we have nothing NY wants….
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Yea cool, keep trading all my favorite players… I guess ill just be a Philly Sharks Rangers Blue Jackets Oilers fan now… trade kopitar too while your at it.. non of the kings memorabilia in my room now matches the team…
hope carter brings the offense.. i havent even looked at his stats yet
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
@bfarm, …not many players stay with one team their whole careers…thats why I don’t have a name on my jersey….I’m a team fan not a player worshipper…
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Bob McKenzie also reporting Kings Dustin Brown is in play. Looks like they’re not done.
Doesn’t mean Brown will be dealt tonight, but it’s possible he could be moved by the deadline.
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crashin'da net Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
@mortonie, Brown to a NE team for a 20-25 goal scorer. Or bundle him for someone really good.
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snbrdsummit Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
@crashin’da net,
Really man??? I mean have you looked at the stats???… Brownie is a 20-35 goal scorer. He’s the only one scoring lately since moving back to his preferred position on the team. He’s playing nearly as well (pts/gm) as Richards and has more goals scored than everyone but Kopi. Really???
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red49er Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:21 pm
@crashin’da net, why, thats Browns ave/year
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EternalOptimist Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
@mortonie, Wow didn’t known Brown was in play as well. I actually would prefer that he stay and move to the 3rd line where he can go back to playing smash mouth hockey which is what he excels at.
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mortonie Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:11 pm
@EternalOptimist, Yeah, I’d like Brown to stay. They seem to want what Penner was supposed to give us but didn’t. Dean seems desperately out of control to me. We now have 2 guys who had problems in Flyer’s dressing room. On the other hand, they had to deal with Pronger, a known problem. Just doesn’t feel right giving up homegrown studs for other teams potential problems.I saying this as one who didn’t like the Richards trade either. Some think I’m too negative.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
@mortonie, …homegrown??….who dat?….
Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
@mortonie, ….whose homegrown?…
mortonie Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I consider Johnson, Simmonds, Schenn & Brown to be homegrown. I’m referring to the LAK org.
I think that Jeff Carter need to change his number because since he was with Columbus Blue Jackets he wears # 7 is Rob Scuderi’s number so can Jeff Carter will wear # 17 for the LA Kings
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If the Kings make the playoffs — make the playoffs! — they don’t draft until the fourth round this year.
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Jack shows loyalty and character – signs a modest cap friendly contract without agents. How is he rewarded? – TRADE
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mortonie Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
@zulov, Yes sir, you are correct & look at the example it sets for the rest of the team….unless he was unpopular and they’re happy to we rid of him. We never know what goes on behind the locker room doors, We here that’s exaxtly what happened with Richards and Carter in Philly. Who knows?
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