Does the trade deadline impact the psyche of players? Even in the largely insulated world of NHL players, chatter is unavoidable. If you read every report out there, you would think that Rick Nash has more “lists” than an obsessive-compulsive grocery shopper. But, as Justin Williams said last week, the trade deadline has reached “national holiday” status in the minds of many, even though it’s often more hype and rumor than substance. If the trade deadline had a surname, it would be Kardashian. That said, it’s certainly a fact that the Kings are looking to upgrade the roster before Monday’s trade deadline, particularly at forward, and chances are if players come in, other players have to go. With just a couple days before the deadline, do players start looking over their shoulders? Does concern about trades start impacting the way they play, and prepare for, games? Darryl Sutter, who has seen the situation as a coach and general manager, was asked for his thoughts.
SUTTER: “I don’t know. You try to keep a good read on it. I don’t sense that. I think what’s most important is the seven or eight guys that have to be our strong guys, and always have to be that. It’s not the distraction part of it. Guys talk, but that’s the business, right? It’s not like the old days. That’s the business. That’s the way it works.”
Question: As a coach, or GM, do you have to keep an eye on that, to make sure guys aren’t distracted?
SUTTER: “I don’t think so. It’s a 23-man roster and there’s a salary cap and there are guys that need waivers and guys that don’t need waivers. That would be like saying, last week when we put Trent (Hunter) on waivers, that wasn’t a distraction. It’s the way it works. That’s an opportunity for another kid.”
Incidentally, since Sutter mentioned Trent Hunter, he has reported to Manchester of the AHL and presumably will start playing soon. Hunter seems to have avoided the concussion symptoms that struck Ethan Moreau after he was assigned… For Hunter’s thoughts on joining the Monarchs, click here for a story from the team’s website.
Well it’s a distraction for me. I have my laptop opened to like 10 hockey sites (this being number one) while I am in class or at home at all times lol I can’t get my hw done and I can’t even play NHL 12 well. I miss faceoffs because I am typing in here :p hehehe
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“If the trade deadline had a surname, it would be Kardashian.”
…priceless
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@likegangbusters, I always think of the Kardashians as classless.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
@LVKINGS88, ….yeah but not cashless….and as the man says it’s money that matters….
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Mel Powell Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
@likegangbusters, Isn’t Anze Kopitar dating Kim K? Can’t he just ask her what’s up with the Nash trade?
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luc20rules Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
@likegangbusters, I would have went with “Snookie” myself. Blouted and not much to look at, and really quite annoying.
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Is Sutter still here
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
@39scars,
Yep, out in the south forty in El Segundo, trying to deeeevelop a new fangled type of offense that will score goals. He heard a new term the other day, “head fake,” and combining that with his continued support of TM’s “shot mentality,” he will introduce the new offensive strategy of “head shot fake mentality.” Man, we are going to need a new goal horn after this one gets implemented. Yee Haw!
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Kings plus trade deadline = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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kingeyes Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
@jimrad, Kings will not get Nash like they didn’t get Kolvachuck they will get a goal scorer who when he gets here will foprget how to score
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saydaysago Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
@kingeyes,
HA! such a good point. Totally agree with you on that one
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I have no clue what is actually going on in the locker room or the heads of players, but it sure likes this team is waiting for something to happen instead of playing.
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Distraction? What distraction? The season’s over right, we won the Cup again, didn’t we? Who would’ve thought that trading Penner for Lamar Kardashian would have brought the Cup to LA? I see absolutley no reason to think the trade deadline is a distraction.
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puckhandler Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
@DesertKing, +1 hahahaha
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It seems every year I get the call from the season ticket rep about renewing my seats while we are buried in this same garbage. I emailed him back and said after 20+ years I don’t think I am going to renew because I am sick of this and he returned my message asking how I wanted to make my payment toward my seats???? unreal
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Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
@jimrad, even he knew that you were just frustrated… you’d be back, they always come back…everybody floats down here.
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saydaysago Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
@Stuart, ha! nice reference, one of my favorite movies
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Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
@saydaysago,
LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
@jimrad, Sounds like he’s just as clueless as our offense. Maybe you’re rep is in India and doesn’t know how bad the team is.
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If I was JJ I might not consider another convertible Ferrari. Maybe a hard top or a Range Rover.
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anonandonanon Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@LA_1968, Ex-King drives ride just like the Queen’s ride? VERY stout!
Kinda a sticky situation for Dean. Hope the guy holds his sand. If he does nothing he kisses this year off. If he goes big and wrong he could cripple us for a long time. It’s a fine line.
I want Carter and think we can overcome not having Jack. But just remember Parse not Parise was the plan at the start of this year. That misplaced confidence has always struck me as delusional.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
@anonandonanon,
Actually, Gagne and Penner was the plan. Parse was a wildcard that turned out to be a dud.
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It IS certainly a distraction since the Kings will lose out to the Rangers and get nothing.
I’m so down on the team right now. DL MUST be fired if they don’t make the playoffs.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
@Carol Vadnais,
I posted this in an earlier thread because someone else made a similar plea…
Who do you suggest replace him? Good GMs are harder to find than coaches. Lombardi hasn’t done a bad job, but he hasn’t done a great job either. The difference between here and SJ was the offense that he was able to get for the Sharks in the form of Marleau and Nolan, (who coincidentally was acquired for an offensive D-man). Here, he’s done a wonderful job on D. I don’t necessarily see the reason to fire the guy if they miss the playoffs this year. It certainly wasn’t for lack of trying. Did anyone really honestly predict a 30 point season from Richards and Brown? He can’t be blamed for the collective snake bite that everyone has experienced. He’s managed the cap well and has left a ton of flexibility going forward…If he screws that up, then I’d be OK to fire him.
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Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@FKA PakiFro, Hexie!
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
@Dominick,
Interesting.
DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
@Dominick,
I think you and snbdsummit are actually right on track. He would be perfect. Knows the players, knows the organization, knows the farm teams and completely knows all of the contracts. Plus, he would bring some fire to the organization.
PP Anybody? Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@Dominick, I dunno, do you really want anyone that has been a part of putting this together, to continue to be a part of fixing it from here on out? I’m leading towards not.
Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
@Dominick and @DesertKing, but wouldn’t he also bring the DL mold/philosophy? What makes you guys (or maybe just @Dom) think that Hexy would bring in a new philosophy?
jackyboy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@Dominick, If DL goes so should Hex and Sutter
Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
@Stuart,
The owners would have to make it clear what direction they want. The mistake for AEG was not giving DL guidelines on a proven system. They used Detroit as their mold, and DL followed it to the letter in every way except system. Their mold works, and the Kings mold worked, but the Red Wings played a system that not only wins cups, but has proven to develope complete players systematically.
Every player they trade for contributes, and every UFA they sign, provides what their looking for. The Kings went another direction.
DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
@Stuart
Something tells me that Hextall does what he wants to do, unless he is under orders. When he becomes the GM, he would only have to follow his orders, and after being in his current position, I have a feeling he has learned from what DL has done right and what DL has done wrong.
Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
@Dominick, there is no way n that cold place that I would trust ownership to steer this team wrt to playing/drafting/building philosophy… I’d be willing to bet that the reason there were no guidelines given was because up until DL cam on board TL was flying by the seat of his pants… I can see AEG now when it came time to pick a team to emulate…blindfolded with a finger pointing to a table…”I want…THAT ONE” (lifts the blindfold and pointing to DET) “yup, that one works for me, now carryon…”
bah. DL is doing what he said he would do, it’s just that building the offense is taking longer than he initially thought or gave weight to. Maybe building the back end took longer than he planned and now his time table got pushed back a year or *gulp* two… I’m not calling for a new GM yet. Like I was saying to @puck73 the other night over the phone, I do not want to start another rebuild with the team we have in place because our core will def be old by the time it’s done.
I reckon it to a quarterback in football… have a top level QB have to play under a different offensice coordinator for each of his first 4-5 years and he will never amount to much because there’s never a solid system in place for him to learn and excel in and make his own… stability goes a long way in producing results…
The only fault I might be able to see in DL is that he put his eggs in the wrong group of “core” players…
Dominick Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
@Stuart,
AEG’s plan has been the same since Taylor was GM. Build through the draft, develope our own homegrown players, stockpile the farm system. Taylor lost patience with the plan, and blew the team up to win now. Ultimately the team blew up with injuries, and he was fired. Lombardi accomplished more with that plan, but his coaching choices, and draft tendencies would suggest that he put no priority on scoring.
The next GM will still have the same mandate, but AEG needs to make the next GM aware that balance is the only route. Systematically, his coaching choices will have to look at what works in the NHL, and apply it. Not hold true to an outdated concept that 4 years running hasn’t produced 1 single offensively stable team.
There are no more excuses for LA Kings Management. I don’t lay this on the players, I don’t lay this on the coach. This Fiasco rests squarely on the shoulders of Dean Lombardi. Personally, I wish we could trade him. That’s the only trade I’d make. If I was AEG, I would tie the guy’s hands, and not let him screw things up any more than he already has. Make him sink or swim with his 6 year plan team.
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Gary Livingston Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
@Poorman,
When the players are not performing to even 50% of their proven ability how can you not blame the players?
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Cry Baby Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
@Poorman, Sutter and Lombardi for Poile and Trotz
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
@Poorman,
I think it’s preposterous that you don’t lay any of this on the players or the coach. It’s the players who go on the ice and can’t score. Players who underperform are DL’s fault?
Actually, I though you laid enough on Quick for being such a loser compared to Bernier.
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I still say bring in Robbins it worked for a while when gretzky was playing. Hey let’s try anything and everything. Take the penny out of the ice and put penner in.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@twnclick,
I would suggest Magic Johnson, but I like my popcorn with just the right amount of butter on it.
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Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
@DesertKing, paging @puck73 to the LAPD hotline phone… LOL
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
@DesertKing, Tommy Lasorda.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@Jeff_R,
Mmmmm, lasagne!
Bonvivant Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
@twnclick, Baskin?
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All in all the team could use a distraction. Seriously, performance wise (other than injuries) could it get much worse?
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Kings players except a few have NO passion, NO glory, NO pride, and NO hearts which is the opposite of what they advertise so if I were DL I will trade half of the team..I have love this team since the 80′s and its painful to see them play like crap..
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@lakingsphan0427,
Are you suggesting our new team motto should be “Just say No, No, No”?
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Just another excuse, this whole season cant be blamed on tradedeadlines…
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DrewStopCrossChecking Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
@Kenny, Completely agree Kenny.
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The trade deadline should be an incentive for ALL players to start playing better and nothing more.
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I think the biggest distraction they have is playing hockey. Seems to really mess up their beach time.
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Roger Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@KC23, you mean golf time
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Pick up Kyle Beach from the Blackhawks. dude’s a beast!
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Shhhhhhh! I can’t hear with the trade deadline goin on.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
@Dominick,
(whisper voice) its pretty cool, its like watching air……………………….
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I’ve said this numerous times before, DL has done exactly what he said he would do. He built this team on defense and goaltending first, starting with very little. The numbers don’t lie. We are in the top 3 in defense and JQ is hands down our MVP. Offense is the next step and unfortunately we are stuck with what we have because the offense is coming but just isn’t ready for prime time yet.
If DL can add a piece he will. If someone wants to stick it to him/us with no Vaseline he has my OK to take a pass.
The GM thing is also a red hearing. Dave Taylor did a great job at selecting players, not so good with trades. DL has also done a great job with our draft picks and trades, not so good with signing FA, but I truly believe this is because no one wants to play in LA. All the limelight is on the right coast with Bos, Phil, NYR, WAS, etc. The only guys that want to come here are the ones who don’t like the limelight or get traded…did you see the NHL 36 with Mike Richards last night. I think he is someone who appreciates being able to do fly under the radar in LA without everyone stopping him. People in LA still don’t know or appreciate what this guy brings to this team. Be patient and just wait until we get into the playoffs. The one reason DL made this trade was because we were seriously lacking leadership during the playoffs. MR has it in spades and will deliver if we can just get there.
Penner???? Contract year and this is the best he can do? Something is seriously wrong between the kids ears. Has world class skill and size but no heart. Stick Mike Richards work ethic in Penner’s body and we don’t need a Rick Nash. You thought Frolov was frustrating to watch and for coaches to coach. Penner wins that one along with all the pancakes you can eat.
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Capt Jam Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
@Barry’s Mullet,
I was sorta with ya until I read that Penner has world class skill. Really? I’ll leave that softball for others to whack.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
@Capt Jam, He does have world class skill he just doesn’t have the work ethic or the heart to put the skill to use.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, The only thing I don’t agree with is Dave Taylor being a good drafter. Yes he has made some picks that worked but overall he used Al Murray as head scout and picked horribly. The 2003 draft especially was horrible after the Dustin Brown pick. Just seeing who was picked by the Kings and the players available it is shocking that we didn’t come out better in that draft. We could of traded our two bottom picks for a higher pick and picked 1 player out of Parise, Richards, Perry, Getzlaf, Kesler. In the 2nd round he picked Pushkarev instead of Patrice Bergeron. In 2006 he picked Lewis instead of Chris Stewart or Claude Giroux. Al Murray is the reason why we are struggling now so much with finding and developing Wingers. Had we drafted better DL would be in a lot better place now instead of having to do a total rebuild. So that basically put DL in a tough place and why it has taken so long to find Wingers through the draft and develop them. That takes time.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
@Jeff_R, DL picked Lewis instead of Stewart or Giroux, not Taylor.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 25th, 2012 at 9:40 am
@PP Anybody?, I was talking about Al Murray when it came to Lewis not Taylor. Dave went on the advice of Al Murray when he made his picks. Dean did too in our first draft which is how we ended up with Lewis. Al was ok with picks in the top 15, but most of his picks lower then that were absolutely horrible.
jlium Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, “DL has also done a great job with our draft picks and trades”? You got to be kidding! Give me some examples. Three of our core guys were picked by Taylor: Kopi, Brown, and Quick. We got JJ by trading another Taylor pick, Gleason. Besides DD who is evan playing for the Kings at a high level. Hickey is a classic example of how DL thinks.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
@jlium, Uhh Gleason was picked by Ottawa and Taylor traded for him. As far as Deans picks what about Schenn and Simmonds who brought us Richards, Doughty, Bernier. The rest of his picks are prospects still working there way to the NHL. Oh yea Lokti also. As I said a lot of our problems were brought on by DT not drafting well. Outside of Kopitar and Brown, Quick wasn’t exactly a high pick. While not all draft picks don’t work out, DL’s percentage is higher then DT.
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tellmeY Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, 100% agreeable. Although this was the yr for a better offense, things with Penner, Richards, and Gagne did not quite work out as well as hoped for. You are spot on with DL strategy…if those three guys…(and admitidly Kopi having even just 10 more goals) we would have not problems this year. Even if Brownie had another 6-10….****sigh****. With all those one goal games we would be approaching 100 pts very soon. So strategy wise I do not blame DL one bit. I think he hired a very good coach. It’s all up to the players at some point. Seriously.
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Roger Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, Lombardi has made some mistakes 1) Trading Smythe for an injured player 2) Drafting Hickey 4th overall 3) Firing Murray and hiring a guy who is exactly like him. 4) a FIRST rounder for Penner ….The Mike Richards trade was a no brainer….What I think we should do is make no trades and go after Dave Tippett…If we keep sutter we will be in this spot next year if he does not get fired during the season.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@Roger, What was he suppose to do with Smyth? He was only allowed to trade him to one team. Had he said no we would of had a player upset at being here and a big distraction in the locker room. Hickey was a reach but we needed defense at the time and had Hickey not had 2 shoulder injuries he might be here now or possibly traded for offense. Trading for Penner was a good trade. His bust of a year is not Dean’s fault. There is no way to have known he would only have 5 goals. While hiring Sutter is debatable, I do think in the long run it will work out. Mike Richards was a great trade and I believe he will make some good trades by Mondays deadline. Don’t want Tippett and doubt AEG will want to pay for 3 coaches.
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MmmmYummy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, “DL has also done a great job with our draft picks and trades” – uhh one word: Pancakes. And a few more words: there are others.
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DrewStopCrossChecking Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:19 pm
@MmmmYummy, Yeah, how has DL done a good job at trades??? He sucks at it.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 25th, 2012 at 9:42 am
@MmmmYummy, Like I said Pancakes was a good trade, it just did not work out. Just because a trade doesn’t work out doesn’t mean it was a bad trade. Not all trades work out.
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“Hunter seems to have avoided the concussion symptoms that struck Ethan Moreau after he was assigned”
=)
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KingsGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
@jmsalsa, Classic post by RH
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Simarosa Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@jmsalsa,
Thank goodness…. Hunter has made it from LA to Manch to PA (for tonights game) all without getting a concussion, imagine that.
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people people calm down..Asking for heads is not right..We not winning doesn’t mean we have to ask for people heads…
Lets just sing a song ..okay am losing it i think am bipolar i get mad too fast then i go nice next second :/..
But i say this…
I try to stay on DL side but after the trade deadline if he doesn’t trade for anyone of this heartless players and get another heartless player well am going to be in the next line with all those who asking for his head..So Monday i find out who side i am on with…
Am just not ready to throw in the towel on DL just yet…Am not going to say DL ur a bad GM because nothing going right,Or saying sending down Voynov was a bad idea which i say he pretty much earn a spot on the team but am not going to throw Martinez under a bus because i believe Martinez is pretty good still may not be prefect but who is…If u throw Martinez under a bus like Throwing Bernier under a bus..U cant throw Bernier under a bus because he just as good as Quick but hasn’t gotten a shot on playing games when he supposed to
Am just going to be a fan of this team that will support it because for me i have no idea whats going on beyond those close doors..
Maybe it is DL fault maybe it not…Could be the players fault could be not…Hell Sutter might be the problem maybe he isn’t..We don’t know because we are not seeing what the players/GM/Head coach are seeing..
All i see is players that doesn’t believe in themselves to get a good winning streak going..
Its easy to point finger than it is to understand the problem..U think u know it but at times u will question it.When things goes good everyone happy,but when they get like this we all go to this state of asking for heads.
Kings is a very very hard team to keep a positive thought and to be called their favorite team…The Next GM which may happen next year..Might have a different idea for this team and change it up and have to wait another 4 years for just to be a Stanley Cup Contender and may not win it or may win it dont know into it happens..U think we be like the Sharks ,but might not be like the Sharks.I believe the GM of the Sharks now got lucky .Their GM that had to change a lot and made them a threat even tho they are not at their best right now.
So it is very hard to understand then it is to point a finger at players or GM or Head coach or AEG..To me I am a very confusing person.
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OnTheFly Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
@KingsFanFTW,
Just remember.. it takes two to trade. Sometimes doing nothing is the best move. Maybe the price is to high. U know all GM’s know the kings need scoring. U think they are not going to ask for the moon. Like you said, we dont know what goes on behind the trade talking. So doing nothing might be the best move right now and wait till july 1st. We will never know what was offerd and at what price.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
@OnTheFly, yea very true..
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I thought Carter was a center? Or does he moonlight as a winger? Sounds like an LA King already…..playing out of their ‘natural’ position.
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pr0cess Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@Cup B4 I Die, Carter is penner 2.0… we dont want any of that… I sware if Sj gets Nash…
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@pr0cess, Carter is nothing like Penner. All of that talk about him is overblown. The fact is he averages 30+ goals a year with one year he got 46. Penner has never done that in his life, getting 30 only once. While Penner stands around and waits for the puck to get to him which is how he scores goals, Carter gets the puck himself and will shoot from everywhere. Carter has a built in support group here in Richards, Williams, Gagne and Stevens. He would thrive as a King.
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pr0cess Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@Jeff_R, So the talk is just that then? Nothing to it? So why would people make that up about him? SO what was said last night on the post-game from Mike Milbury is just his opinion?
Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@Cup B4 I Die, As long as they score goals doesn’t matter what position they play.
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Wait, the regular season already started and the trade deadline is coming up? Silly me, I thought it was still preseason the way the Kings have been playing.
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If the surname is Kardashian, then shouldn’t Kopi be dating it?
Backhand wristshot slapshot GOAL!
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We need goals scorers like this one
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/capitals-mathieu-perreault-scored-goal-tongue-vs-ottawa-062153596.html
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i Wish the trade deadline was distracting. I could not wait for this season to get started now I cant wait for it to end
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maybe play bernier instead of quick back to back games is it that hard to do that and hey is it hard to change up the shootout line instead of having the same guys?
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Bob McKenzie 5 min ago:
LAK and CBJ are working hard to get a Jeff Carter trade done — Jack Johnson’s name featured prominently as well — but told not done. Yet.
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KingsGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
@LA_1968, Yup… I read “deal is done”…
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Subby Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
@LA_1968, if we get Carter Nash better go to the East.
If Rangers get Nash I’m still not happy because that’s 3 players they get that we didn’t
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@Subby, Maybe in the offseason Nash moves. Price must be too high for Nash. If it’s too high for a desperate DL then must be for everyone right now.
3 centers though? Hrmmm.
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tornado12 Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
@LA_1968, jack johnson for carter would be unwise! God I hope that isnt true
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IceGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
@tornado12,
Hey, another guy from Philly? Deal done!
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Darren dreger and bob mckenzie both reporting on their twitter accounts that us and CBJ working hard to get carter deal done and that JJ is main part of the deal. Darren called it minute by minute watch
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Boy I’m sure glad I got Richards on my away jersey and not Johnson. I’m gonna be really sad if he gets traded.
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OnTheFly Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
@Subby,
To think, We were all cheering for JJ at the start of the season because he worked out a cap friendly contract. Thought he took a home town discount to be a King. I Really dont want to see him go. He’s not even in his prime.
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Subby Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@OnTheFly, really disappointing. He’s on of the oldest Kings too.
I have 3 little miniature toys I got from Kings games one year.
They feature Brown Kopitar and Johnson :/
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@OnTheFly,
I guess giving the home town discount doesn’t do much. Just ask Mike Richards.
If JJ is going, I’d be greatly disappointed. I thought he was the one who showed up for this team at the start of the season when DD was out. He may have tapered off, but he has had a very good season and I think his upside is really good for the coming years.
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The deal for Carter will come back to haunt the Kings and whoever their new GM is.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
@Naturallawyer, Yea having Richards and Carter really haunted Philly. They only made it to the Stanley Cup Finals.
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jackyboy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
@Jeff_R, I like that point!! Dl you still got some fight in you. Im pulling for u DL
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Naturallawyer Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
@Jeff_R, might want to check out your facts first. Carter had nothing to do with that run. He missed half the games and scored a sterling 7 points in 12 playoff games, and was a -5.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/phi/year/2010/seasontype/3/philadelphia-flyers
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
@Naturallawyer, While he may not of played in all the games in 12 games he had 5 goals, but during the regular season he only missed 8 games and finished 2nd in scoring with 33 goals and 61 points so he was a big reason why they made the playoffs, which they did on the final day in a shootout.
jackyboy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@Naturallawyer, I disagree. JJ is def a top 1 to 2 dman… But we have our top dman in Doughty and Voynov brings most of the skill that JJ brings… In fact he hits the net more often… Carter is def a big time scorer… He will def score 30-40 goals for the Kings and we sorely need that. Plus, he is pretty young at 27 and his cap hit for the next seven years is very reasonable for 5M… The last 3 years are tough but we must win now. Also, this trade does not really raise our cap. It allows us to go after Parise in the offseason. We also still have Bernier as trade bait. Perfect trade if we couldnt get Nash. I like Carter way more then Pominville (29 years) and JVR (never scored 30 plus goals).
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Losing games has been the biggest distractionn for this team.
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Deal done for Jeff Carter, who did we send to Columbus??
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@Ryan, Where did you hear deal done?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
@Jeff_R, According to Bob Mckenzie they are working hard on deal and JJ is prominent part of deal, but not done yet.
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pr0cess Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
@Ryan, ya were?
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
@Ryan,
Crap. I hope it’s not JJ going for Carter. Please say that’s not the deal.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
@vplaza, Umm I think you might need to start crying then because it sounds like it is. I feel that it is great getting Carter and I would love to keep JJ, but you need to give to get and we have Voynov to replace JJ.
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IceGuy Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@Jeff_R,
For all you folks who bitch about Jack Johnson – why the hell is he the center of all the trade rumors that involve the Kings? Odd that. Perhaps others see something we’re missing?
Isn’t it time for the requisite-yet-worthless “players only” meeting behind closed doors? Or has that already happened, and I just missed it? The Kings have apparently bored me to death and I seem to have lost track of which last-ditch effort is currently being employed. Signed, My Frustration.
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Kopi+brown + Quick/Bernier for Toews + Hossa/kane/Sharp + Crawford
Kopi+brown 31 goals, 82 points
Toews+sharp 53 goals, 108 points
i feel like the heart is lacking with the leadership of the kings
Kopi is one of the worst 6.8 million dollar scorers out there and I feel like hes not trying sometimes.
Chicago would be our best deal and to get some of their players I would trade Quick
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Still waiting for Lombardi to pull of the best deal of his career. If he doesn’t then he should be gone at season’s end. With Stoll and Penner coming off of our books that will free 8 million in free agents next year. That will cover Nash’s contract and if they give up Johnson then they can resign Mitchell. Either way they must make a move. If they settle for Carter then keep JJ. Bernier is enough for him and his 10 year contract.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:24 pm
@PB FRANK, Sounds like we won’t be getting Nash especially with what appears us getting Carter, sources say that Columbus is not big on Bernier so looks like we wouldn’t of gotten Nash even if we were on the list.
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Stuart Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
@Jeff_R, add to that I heard they weren’t big on JJ either, saying they didn’t value him as highly as the Kings did…
pfft, whatever. another brick in the PHIwest wall…
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Sources say Johnson plus high pick for Carter
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vplaza Reply:
February 23rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@Jeff_R,
I know that it’s a business and stuff like this happens (just see MR). But you gotta feel for JJ who negotiated a team-friendly deal with no hassles, came to camp prepared, and stepped in when the team needed it early on. He’s improved his game markedly and has some really good potential.
Again, I know this is part of the business, but I just think that there should have been other players more expendable than JJ.
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Interesting poll results.
http://www.nhl.com/ptth/app?service=page&page=PollPopPage&pid=19525&skinId=4&choiceId=81229&ip=true
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…..DL going after Pominville and Stafford…
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No worries folks. If CBJ’s go after JJ, he’ll just headfake, sending them into the popcorn machine and remain a King.
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no cause we already are a distracted team
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