Dustin Brown is back at practice today, as the Kings have shifted their top-six forwards. Here’s how they’re skating, with Jarret Stoll as a full participant, in a fourth-line jersey along with four others…
Nolan-Kopitar-Williams
King-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Loktionov-Lewis
Penner/Fraser/Richardson/Westgarth/Stoll
oh boy! tha will make everything better.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:34 am
@yetiman_oc, couldn’t be any worse. I actually like Brown with Richards I think that is going to turn out really good….
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MM Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@Jeff_R, I agree. I like the look of Brown skating on Richards right side. Hopefully Nolan’s hands are good enough to finish off passes from Kopi and Williams.
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
@yetiman_oc,
Split up the Kid Towers…
Not a bad idea.
I say we make a chicken sacrifice, with a trip to El Baja Fried Pollo Fresca for a Jovu-satisfying break from reality. Maybe that will stop the annoying tips/wobbles/hops of the puck keeping it totally out of the opposition net. Perhaps someone will throw pancakes on the ice, or a piece of cheesecake, maybe a Churro…
I like Hammond’s idea: Stop having Legends Night with a goal-scorer…
The Gods are laughing at us out there. I can smell them.
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Danny of Pasadena Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, hey, im pagan…what gods are these you speak of?????
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Stuart Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
@Danny of Pasadena, the hockey gods, of course… what other ones oare there???
tommy Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, LMAO
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Kissmyblarneystones Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:17 am
@yetiman_oc, Bring back Jimmy Carson.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am
@Kissmyblarneystones,
Bring back Johnny Carson!
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vegasking Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@Michael J., you mean Jimmy carson
Kissmyblarneystones Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
@Michael J., Him Too!!!!
Shakes Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@Kissmyblarneystones, His initials were JC for a reason.
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PRMan Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
@yetiman_oc, Well, it does put the 2 guys that go to the front of the net on different lines (Nolan and King, in case it wasn’t obvious).
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I like the lines, except Lokti centering the 3rd line instead of Stolly.
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Harry Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:32 am
@Kramsteezy,
Lokti has been playing great. Lewis has been feeding him the pucks and they are finding chemistry. Our 3rd and 2nd line were our “best lines” just as Sutter indicated after our loss.
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KING-C Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:39 am
@Harry, you mean stooly!
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wavesinair Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@KING-C,
Uh, you said ‘stooly’… you mean Penner!
bmova Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am
@Harry, When you get shutout for two straight games, and on home ice nonetheless, NO ONE is playing well/looking good. I don’t care how many chances they may have created, THEY DIDN’T FINISH. And at the end of the day, that’s all that counts.
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Danny of Pasadena Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:51 am
apparently the coach like this new guy I don’t know why but he does
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Whatever! I don’t see Nash on there so it’s just another stab in the dark.
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Kissmyblarneystones Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am
@Krusher, I’m 5′ 10, 230. If I did a piroette, would you call me a ballerina? These changes mean more of the same..
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bmova Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@Krusher, Well at least it seems structuedas opposed to TM who would often times pick names out of a hat.
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try anything, can’t hurt
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Just saw this on twitter from Aaron Portzline
Aaron Portzline @Aportzline #CBJ GM Scott Howson: “We’re waiting for the right deals. We’re getting closer. But we’re not there yet.”
https://twitter.com/Aportzline
Waiting for the right deals?!?! Why hasn’t Dean given him the right deal yet? Yeah, I know we might be giving up too much, but we’re kind of in a land of no return. If we DON’T make this move to get Nash, I think our playoff chances this year are doomed. Of course the system has to change too, but I think Nash can make change possible. He has the skill set to make Kopi shine and bring out his best game each and every night.
DL likes to use the poker analogy (Paraphrasing) “The best bluff is a set of balls.” I think we’re at the final table of DL’s career and he’s in a difficult position:
Either he goes all in for the win….
OR
He folds and peters out.
Don’t wait Dean. This team needs this. Don’t let another GM trump you here. It’s happened twice. Nash is the guy. I’ve waited 32 years. I’m pretty sick and tired of waiting.
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Eldoret Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:18 am
@Cynic, No.
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Cynic Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:23 am
@Eldoret, Sorry you don;t agree, although I can’t read why.
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am
@Cynic, “Yeah, I know we might be giving up too much”, says it all right there.
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Weasel Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am
@Cynic,
One more (sigh) year. Get Nash in the offseason – don’t rush now in a seller’s market. It’ll be okay if they don’t panic. Quick is the real deal. JMFJ and DD are good, not sure if DD will become truly great, but there’s still hope. The youn D-men VV and AM are also going to be good. If any of the young forwards step up…… Well, what’s another year (King’s fan myself from 1975-76)
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:28 am
@Cynic,
I know we want the Kings to do well this year, but what do you think is best for the long term? Better yet, for a chance to win the cup next year?
I don’t think that bringing in Nash is a move to help only this year, I think it will be one that helps out for years to come. But, is making the move now a better choice than doing sometning around draft day? I’m kind of scared that the Kings will pay way too much for Nash now, but might be able to land the pieces they need for a much better price in the off-season.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am
@Michael J., Yes it will especially when you have a team like SJ that is going after him heavily. This team is really close with our defense and Quick. We need to get our offense going and Nash is someone who can do that, especially on the PP. He and Kopi would really work well together elevating both guys play. Kopi will finally have a sniper to play with and Nash will have finally have a #1 center to play with. DL has said over and over he was waiting for the perfect moment to go after a top player to get us over the hump, Nash is that type of player. The fact that Howson is waiting for the right deal isn’t surprising as this is going to be a very hard trade to make and it most likely won’t go down until closer to the deadline or at it. The closer to the deadline the more pressure on teams to get a player like Nash so they up there offer. I don’t think Nash is going to wait until the offseason. If we don’t get him then we will go after Parise and that will be difficult as he may want to go home, to the Wild.
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Alex Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:42 am
@Jeff_R, What about the rest of the team?
Alex Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:41 am
@Michael J., 100% AGREE
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Alex Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:39 am
@Cynic, And again here we go. We give up a house for Nash and we will still have only one offensive line. But Kopi will shine….
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@Alex, How is giving up Bernier, JJ, Penner, 1st round draft pick giving up the House? The Kings are loaded with defenseman and Goalies. If our first line gets going consistently then the others will follow. Nash plays a game where he heads to the slot ready to shoot and also goes to the net. If guys see him doing it they will follow. The problem now is nobody does it. Plus Nash will elevate our PP.
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Gary Livingston Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@Jeff_R,
Last I heard they want Bernier, JJ, Brown, + pick(s)
Gary Livingston Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@Jeff_R,
But, it’s all a bunch of BS rumors…
Christian T Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Jeff_R, I’m a little confused why everyone thinks another team wants Penner? At this point with his contract expiring the only reason he would be traded is as a favor to us for salary relief.
tornado12 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@Jeff_R, that deal with penner doesnt work. CLB would be over the cap. is has to be stoll instead of penner…
OC King Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@Christian T, Penner is just an additional piece to dump salary. So it’s JB JMFJ and a pick fir Nash, and Penner for a bag of pucks. Besides Columbus could ship him onto Toronto for a pick because Burke wants a cheap pwrf and has a thing for ex d**ks
HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@Alex, Who says Kopi isn’t part of the trade?
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Scot Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:44 am
@Cynic,
Like everyone else, I would love to see Rick Nash here..
What I worry about is trading Bernier when it’s becoming more and more unlikely that Quick will have any interest in signing a long term contract with the Kings. I mean, would you want to if you were Quick?
I would almost rather trade Quick after this season and maximize value for him. If we trade Bernier for a big scorer, we also have to trade several other assets. If we trade Quick for one, we don’t have to trade anything else.
What about these hypotheticals? (after this season..)
-Quick to Chicago for Patrick Kane.
-Quick to NY Islanders for John Tavares.
Now I doubt either would happen, especially the latter.. JT is New York’s franchise player, AND they are stuck with DiPietro’s contract for the next 9 years or so. I don’t think they can get rid of that contract, and they certainly can’t afford both him and Quick. But just thinking how much Quick would enjoy playing back in New York near his family, and also be the teammate of his brother-in-law, Moulson.
Like I said, I doubt either would happen, but the idea is, we could get a big time forward, without having to give up so many other assets and draft picks, while still having a potentially capable starting goalie in Bernier.
My one other issue with making a big trade before the deadline is that I cannot see any one forward coming in and making a big difference in the offense, because you said it — The system has to change. The direction and leadership of Dean Lombardi and Darryl Sutter has got to go, in my opinion. I don’t see any point in trying to go “all in” while they are still in charge. I just can’t see this current duo leading the team to a Stanley Cup, regardless of the roster. This team was already “supposed” to go deep in the playoffs this year, but we were all dead wrong. I don’t think we are one forward short – I think we are a GM, a coach, and many players short. Almost our entire group of bottom 6 forwards needs to change as well, in my opinion.
As IceGuy said the other day — this organization is in a state of dysfunction right now.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Scot, You don’t think a guy like Nash, who has scored 40 goals before, could get this team to score 2-3 goals a game consistently? That is what this team needs to win as with our defense (which will be even better with Nash) and Quick shutting teams down. We raise our goals for from 2.03 to 2.20+ we will be really good. A guy like Nash can get the team to do that. Not asking him to turn us into an offensive dynamo, just one that scores 2-4 goals a game consistently. Nash comes in and scores it will be infectious and others will follow. Heck with 20 games left if Kopi and Nash takes off that might be all we need.
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SLG1013 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@Jeff_R, I think it’s totally unrealistic to think that Nash would be able to elevate the scoring from 0-1 goals/game to 2-4 consistently. Two years ago, Marty Brodeur was so excited to get Kovalchuk at the deadline because he believed that he would get the Devils an extra goal each game. It didn’t happen, and you can’t argue that Nash is a more prolific or dynamic player than Kovalchuk (especially when Kovi was traded two years ago). I don’t believe that the addition of a single player (no matter who it is) will change the fact that the Kings entire offensive system (along the perimeter) is completely ineffective. The only two players who have not been effected by this are King and Nolan because they haven’t been here long enough. Even Mike Richards game has changed to more of a perimeter game. Nash will not be effective unless he has people getting him the puck in prime scoring areas. Kopi seems to have lost his ability to do it and I don’t think that he and Nash would be particularly effective until they had significant time (and freedom) to develop the proper chemistry…
Scot Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:21 am
@Jeff_R,
Nope, I don’t.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@SLG1013, With Kovy the Devils are 14th in offense at 2.66 goals for. Last season they were without Parise for the balance of the season, plus while Kovy scores gaols he is more of a selfish player that does a lot of 1 on 1 play. He is not a team player guy, although he might be better now then he was in Atlanta. Still Nash is a total team guy and a power forward/sniper. Nash will be able to get the rest of the team to go into the prime scoring areas, as he will do it and be successful at it and others will see that and follow suit. Seeing that this change is made it will show the players we have now that Management is doing everything they can to win, by bringing in a world class player like Nash and the rest of the players will play harder. Stoll has said he wants to stay here as he knows we can win, so he will play harder in the last 23 games.
@Scot, We aren’t not scoring because of system or defense first. It is because our guys won’t go into the prime scoring areas. Nash will do that. When the others see him do that and be successful they would follow suit. A big reason why we aren’t scoring is the loss of Smyth and Zeus. They went to the net and deflected pucks for goals or put in rebounds. We don’t have that now. Nash would do that and he will help our PP big time.
Christian T Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@Scot, Quick is a smart guy and knows his very good numbers are in part due to the Kings defense. So unless it’s Detroit, Boston, or Vancouver he will not have that type of defense year in year out. Everybody should stop being doom and gloom about Quick. He can be a HOF goalie with the Kings D. Everywhere else he would just be good to very good. Ask Bryzgalov who had great numbers till he went to PHI.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:17 am
@Scot,
Quick is a King. Unless there is some bad blood that we don’t know about he’s going nowhere. Were it #8 that was an unrestricted free agent the story would be different; Quick has character.
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Scot Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@Cynic,
One more thing..
If you trade Quick, you get a game-changing forward in return.
(Do I want to see Quick traded? Heck no! But I’m thinking long term and whether or not he will even want to stay)
THEN, you can look at trading a package of Johnson, Brown, Hickey, 1st Round Pick, yada yada, etc, for ANOTHER big time scorer. Then you’ve added 2 major forwards, while still having a solid goalie, and defense in place. (Trading Jack Johnson would not hurt us defensively – And then it gives Voynov a full time job)
Last year, DL tried to add a big forward (Penner) and it did nothing but weaken the organization. The team got worse, and we also lost 3 assets.
I don’t think you want Dean Lombardi in charge of making another trade. He will WAY overpay in an attempt to save his job, and his pride. If he really wanted to do this organization a favor, he should walk away and leave us with what we have.
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StillKingly Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@Scot, No one is signing here in the offseason. And all the best will be gone this trade deadline.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@Scot,
The Kings will not trade Quick. If you think fans are upset now…
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Scot Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@Michael J.,
I hope not..
But what happens a year from now if he has refused to sign a contract? You have no choice..
Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@Scot,
Quick has character. He also knows that the scoring problems are an anomaly (in part), and that the issues will be addressed. The team still has a very young, talented core.
He will definitely be locked up this summer.
IceGuy Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
@Scot,
I do have some uneasiness regarding Lombardi’s motivation for trading right now.
I have said before that the only trade that makes sense to me right now is with Chicago – Bernier for Kane straight up. It helps both teams, now and in the future. Our risk is negotiating with Quick for an extension, BUT, if Kane can help establish some offensive drive with our other forwards, then quick will get more support, and will indeed continue to shine and STAY.
That trade makes the most sense to me. Will it happen? No idea, but I’d rather try that and not get a deal than to torpedo the the whole ship for Nash.
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DEH Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:23 am
@Cynic, last time we needed to make a trade in desperation to make the playoffs we ended up with Penner. Penner had better numbers at that time than Nash does now…
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@DEH, Penner was playing with Eberle, Hall, etc. Of course he had 21 goals. If you are trying to compare Nash with Penner??????? At least Nash cares…..
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DEH Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@Jeff_R, will he care when he gets traded to the kings and is force to adjust to a new role as a defensive forward?
Changing lines isn’t changing anything. I have been a fan for 30+ years and haven’t felt this hopeless about the team ever. Not even the year we tied TB for the worst record in the league. At least we could put the puck in the net that year.
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Weasel Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:28 am
@gralx,
Not hopeless, just the most vexing season ever (well other than that year Deadmarsh took that injury and was “day-to-day”. Yup, all they way until the day he retired. That Allison-Deadmarsh-Palfy line could really have beed special if…if……if
(Also if Mc Sorley just changes his stick in the last 5 minutes of the Cup finals game……sniff, sniffle, cry).
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:29 am
@Weasel,
And if Bo Jackson steps out of bounds on his final run of his career…
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King John Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:35 am
@gralx, me too for decades. This has got to be one of the most demoralizing seasons ever. Like you say, at least we could put the puck in the net in times past, and the fans had exciting forwards to root for. Sometimes, we just lacked a goalie to be really good. Now we have the goalie but no offense at all! It’s not fun to watch.
I’m contemplating watching the next Ducks game for some relief. I know at least there’ll be some offense (double meaning intended)… both here and there.
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MM Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
@King John, I was watching the NHL on NBC yesterday morning and watched Buffalo score 1 minute into the game. It made me sad.
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He broke up the only line that was “working” in Nolan/Richards/King
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What does DS insist on putting Williams with Kopi?? Lame.
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Alex Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
@SpencerMaze, Penner should be on that line with Kopi. Williams switch places with Brown and Brown with Lokti and Clifford
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SpencerMaze Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:50 am
@Alex, Wow totally agree. How about just swithing Brownie and Williams? I wouldn’t mind seeing Brownie on the first line with Kopi and the kid Nolan
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
@SpencerMaze, The last couple of games notwithstanding Kopi and Willie have been doing real well lately. I always wanted them to try Brown with Richards. I think they would work a lot better then Kopi and Brown.
PRMan Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@SpencerMaze, No. They haven’t. Kopi, Brown and Willie all find ways to stay around the boards their entire shift. Nobody goes to the middle, pretty much ever, unless they are going around the net to get to the boards on the other side. All the Kings lines play like this, except Richards (who throws it to the front all the time–how cute, he thinks somebody’s gonna be there), King and Nolan.
I was watching Detroit highlights the other day and I saw guys constantly peeling into the slot, or getting as near to the slot as possible. They would let off weak backhands, but they would go in because the goalie can’t cover the whole net when you are in the slot.
I’m sorry, but that is a hideous looking lineup. You/ve got two untested rookies with limited scoring skills at your two top LW positions, a third line that has accomplished absolutely nothing offensively, and a fourth line that features a world class bust in Mr. Penner. The absurd carousel we had at LW last year next to Kopi was child’s play compared to this.
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Weasel Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:28 am
@rick,
On the other hand, they can’t do worse.
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Or blow it all up and completely change the makeup of this team by grabbing Nash and Carter. Trade Bernier, Brown, Penner, Lokti, Hickey and a pick. The offensive futility of this current team is bordering on epic and historical. Oh and pitiful.
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714KINGS Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:28 am
@Krusher, That is good!
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:37 am
@Krusher,
That deal is not exactly “blowing it up”. Unfortunately, I think it would take more than that for Nash and Carter. If I were Columbus I would take that deal if the Kings added an NHL defenseman in place of Hickey. They need to cut their losses and move forward. They can’t get a goalie comparable to Bernier.
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Alex Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
@Krusher, Very interesting. I am with you. Than bring Toffoli and Vey and let it ride.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@Krusher, You aren’t going to get Nash AND Carter without putting JJ in there and possibly Kopi. I can’t see DL trading Brown yet. Kopi would need to go as you won’t be paying 4 centers over $20 million and Columbus is not going to take Stoll only.
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Jimmyo777 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@Krusher, That would be a good trade for LA !!!
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The only line that really made any difference when they were together IMO was the fourth line combination of Clifford, Fraser, and Westgarth. They were playing well and and taking a lot of gas out of the other team’s tank,,,,,,, so Westy was replaced with Hunter and I haven’t seen tham back together yet.
Other than that, the line combos haven’t really mattered. Not one has performed like they should be kept together.
So,,,,, whatever.
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King John Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:41 am
@40YearKingsFan, yeah, I think Clifford should be on the fourth line with Fraser. Try Stoll with Lokti and Lewis. I guess it’s Nolan or Penner for Kopi’s LW—I would hope Penner could do it by standing in front of the net.
Penner/Nolan – Kopitar – Williams
King – Richards -Brown
Stoll – Loktionov – Lewis
Clifford – Fraser – Westgarth/Richardson
It does seem strange that when a line works, the coach doesn’t go back to it.
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Alex Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@King John, I think Clifford has a lot more offensive upside than everybody thinks. He did score I believe 32 goals in the last year before joining the Kings. Need to give him a chance. He can skate, he can be physical and he Is not afraid to park in front of the net and do the dirty work. We gave up on a lot of young talent in all the years with out even giving them a chance, so let’s not do this again. This organization need to start to believe in the young talent they have and stop shipping them to other teams for who know what and then watch them to become real hockey players….. But not playing for the Kings
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@Alex, I agree. However this is just his 2nd season. Give him a couple years or so and he will break out.
Jimmyo777 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@King John,
This is what I would try:
Clifford – Kopi – Williams
King – Richards – Nolan
Penner – Stoll – Brown
Frasor – Loktionov – Richardson (Westgarth)
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Dean, please make the trade already!!!!
It is the only way to get this going! Voynov can step in for JJ.
DO IT DEAN!
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Maybe it’s time to pull a Billy Martin to shake things up. Pull the lineup out of hat……
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:47 am
@Weasel,
Or Sutter can go out on the ice after a bad call and kick ice all over the ref’s skates
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enough is enough already Send Lokti back to the Minors.
God are they that stubborn…
Kings and Nolan are sooo much better than Lokti this year…I know few years to come Lokti will become great but right now he not that good..
Stoll needs to be center even if he not doing nothing but at least he can win faceoffs
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Why, why, why Darryl……….
I like Nolan (for obvious reasons) but not sure about this promotion, perhaps King?
Anyway, Lotkionov should be replaced with Stoll.
Then 4th line is Penner, Fraser, Richardson
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KING-C Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:44 am
@Harty, Have you seen stool play lately? I’m not a fan of Lokti but he is playing better than Stol. As far as I’m concerned DB and BR do not belong in the NHL.
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Harty Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@KING-C, I know he will come back and make an impact.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@KING-C, While I would put Stoll on the third line in the playoffs instead of Lokti, the fact is Stoll is just coming back from injury let him start on the 4th line. Maybe that will help it get going, it seems to help Penner a little bit.
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Alex Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@Jeff_R, Playoffs??????????????????
Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@Jeff_R, Yes Playoffs. We are 4 points out of first in the Pacific and it isn’t like SJ is doing anything to lengthen that lead while the Kings are struggling. The Kings have not had any prolonged losing streaks this season.
2 guys just called up from the AHL are on our top 2 lines when we are on the bubble pushing for a playoff spot! What a team!
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Gmo Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am
@Whiskey_King,
That is dean for you
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@Gmo, Who else would you put there? It isn’t like there is anybody else until after the trade deadline. If we have King and Noloan on our top two lines after Feb 27th then you will have a point.
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I heard the Kings are signing Claude Lemieux and Steve Duchesne for the playoff push
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Kings have tried every possible line combo dating back to the TM days and nothing has worked. Pure HORSECRAP.
When is the organization finally realize that what needs to be changed is the style of play, system along with some players.
GKG
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dm3977 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
@Gmo, good point
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@Gmo, How many times has DS changed the lines since he came on?
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Gmo Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@Jeff_R,
Not as much as TM but do you really think in your right mind that now just like that , boom this will be the answear to our lack of scoring? I know he is trying but won’t be the solution
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@Gmo, Tell me who else are you going to put on the lines? The fact is we are stuck until the deadline with these players. Deal with it. It is DS’s job to get them motivated to play and score. Hopefully they are really disgusted by there performance this season and they go nuts.
GM Scott Howson: “We’re waiting for the right deals. We’re getting closer. But we’re not there yet.”
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@goldielocks, Not surprising with a week left to the deadline.
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goldielocks Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@Jeff_R,
Yea, but the question is who are we?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@goldielocks, A team looking for guys to score….
That 4th line is a band of misfits and rejects.
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The two guys on the top 2 lines main responsibility is not to score goals but rather dig pucks out and create space for Williams/Kopitar and for Richards/Brown. Hopefully, by having Nolan and King digging pucks and battling in the corners, Williams/Kopitar and Richards/Brown can be relied upon to go to the dirty areas and look for scoring chances.
I believe that each line should consist of a shooter/passer and guys that get in the corners and battle along the boards. I don’t like lines that have all shooters or passers. That’s like having all jump shooters as a starting five in basketball. You have to have your set-up guy, shooter and rebounder. Just like in hockey, you have to have a mixture.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@bfstyle33, but then who’s going to play defense?
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Doughty for Nash straight up?
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dm3977 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Michael J., players are not the solution. team has to change how they play hockey. everybody will suck in current system
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Ashykon Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:02 am
@dm3977, I don’t think it’s the current system because when it’s done properly we score 4 goals. A lot of our players are just not playing well.
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dm3977 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am
@Ashykon, how many times we scored 4 goals????
exactly my point
besides, even we score 5 goals in 1 game we still playing boring (defensive) style hockey
Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:21 am
@Ashykon, When we have scored 3 or more goals we haven’t lost in regulation and only once in OT. Would you rather us score 5 and give up 6 goals like Philly is doing? Defensive hockey is really bad? I guess you don’t like playoff hockey then.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@dm3977, That is because our current players won’t go to the dirty areas consistently to score goals. Do you really think that is a coaching decision? DS has said exactly what we all have been saying as to why they aren’t scoring. Yet the players now won’t do it. If DS could bench people until they started doing that he would, but then we would have to forfiet as we would have nobody playing.
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Scot Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@Michael J.,
In a heartbeat!
Plus, it gives Voynov a full-time job.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@Scot,
We agree on something!
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Scot Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@Michael J.,
Lol.
Seems like a no-brainer too.. It would benefit both teams.
Yet, I believe both GM’s would feel like they want more in return. Howson would want more for Nash, and Lombardi would want more for Doughty. Impasse.
If I was the Kings GM, I would do it. If I was Columbus’ GM, I would ask for a young forward in addition to Doughty. The Kings have suitable replacements for Doughty – Columbus does not have a replacement for Nash.
On a sidenote, man would I love to see Doughty get stuck in Columbus. He deserves to play there.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@Michael J., @Scot, I would never trade Drew straight up for Nash. DL would never do it. Possibly the only one I would trade Dre for straight up is Stamkos. Drew is a once in a generation defenseman and you will see that in the next few years. To trade him is a mistake and who exactly do you expect to replace him? Voynov? JJ is a much better option for Voynov to replace. VV will get to JJ’s level but never rise to DD’s.
Nash cant help Jonathan Quick score goals so he can’t help this team the least bit
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I would love to have Nash but it will take a lot and change the mix a lot. Giving up Bernier wont hurt at the moment cause he is rarely used, and giving up ONE D wont hurt since we’re sitting essentially three each game (counting VV in Manchester) but mortgaging the future further by trading Toffoli or a #1 pick… now we’re on the path of the OLD Kings. Our drafting strength has been in the back end, so trading back end for forwards just catches us up, but keep it to that.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@bbb7, Toffoli is not going anywhere and the #1 pick who cares. It isn’t like we are going to get a top 5 pick. Most likely be in the teens to 20′s. We also have a lot of offensive guys ready to try and make the team so what we draft anyway will most likely be 2-4 years away.
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New lines…probably same results…no goals.
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Also:
Dennis Bernstein @DennisTFP, “Hearing Kings offer expanded to Jonathan Bernier Jack Johnson Andrei Loktionov plus for Rick Nash”
0_0
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Eldoret Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@Gary Livingston, Lame. I don’t even like Rick Nash…
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dm3977 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am
@Gary Livingston, lokti and jj??? not a good trade
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@dm3977, JJ is tough to lose but we have Voynov and one of Hickey and Muzzin, etc that can come in.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@Gary Livingston, I really like that package for Nash. Be tough to lose Loktionov but you have to give to get and we can always grab another 3rd line center in the draft. Kopi and Richards will be our 1st and 2nd line Center for the next 5+ years so give Lokti a chance on another team.
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zulov Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
@Jeff_R, I think Lokti is a keeper. I get the Kings need scoring – but who says Nash is not going to slump like everyone else? Lokti has been showing signs he could turn into a Datsyuk type forward. We give him up for another big body, what’s gonna happen when Nashes hands turn to stone?
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outsider Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@Gary Livingston, way too much…
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
@outsider, I guess you don’t want the Kings to ever get a top 3 player then, as you like all that we have now. They aren’t getting one to sign here by UFA so trades and drafting is the only way and we aren’t getting a top 5 pick anytime soon.
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bbb7 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@Gary Livingston, I still question whether Lokti will make it in the long run cause he plays small and has been injured in the past like he is small… that said, JJ and Bernier for Nash would be fine, just have them take Penner as well and give us a draft pick for him.
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Where is Nash potatoes!?!?!
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one player is not going to make this a high scoring team. I hate to say this because it’s all the kings ever do but it’s time to rebuild once again. You need a lot more than one player. You start with a new GM and make sure he knows how to draft. I don’t know what the guy in Detroit is making but i get him out of there and to LA. Than trade doughtys big ass contract along with JB for player who can not only score but create shots and finish them. it’s a start
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Okay much talk about the system lately……..
I watched 3 games yesterday and all teams (6) used thier D and high guy in the offensive end more effectively.
D pinched often, the high guy was deeper to support not playing rover in between the D men.
Lets go……..do it
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Lombardi put some world class players on the ice to make us a contender. Hell, we even have four players on the current roster who have a ring to prove it. I don’t see how any of this is his fault
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I really don’t understand some of your thinking, Penner has been the Pinjata all season yet you guys keep saying put Penner on the first line, he’s played on the first line and whoopeee he scored what 2-3 goals in how many games?? Also everyone wants to trade him, bench him or whatever and then I read the same people saying…. “I’d rather see Pens on the first line” He plays no different on the first line then he does on the 7th.
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Dennis Bernstein of TFP is hearing that our offer at this time is Bernier, JJ, Loktionov plus for Nash
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SpencerMaze Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@Jeff_R, Works for me. What do you guys think? If JB goes who would be our backup to Quick?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@SpencerMaze, Dean would bring in a veteran either one of Columbus’s or from another team.
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Ari Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@Jeff_R, I like JJ
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@Ari, SO do I but you have to give to get. You can’t marry yourself to players or else you will be disappointed.
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zulov Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@Jeff_R, I like Loktionov
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Just insert Westgarth for whoever and I’ll be happy. They seem to lack that attitude and intensity when Westgarth isn’t dressed.
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the best thing for the Kings right now is to ride out this season and start over fresh. For christ sakes, start playing your top draft picks at least into the regular season and then see how they do. A trade to get Nash right now would just deplete this team worse than it is now, seek him out in the off season, if no other team gets him or and if the Jackets are just throwing Nash’ name out there right now to see the feedback they will get and rest on it till the season is over. The way the Kings have played all season, going to take more than one player to get this team in the direction that they THOUGHT they were going when they made the trades they did last summer. Nash does not have that presence that Lemieux and Gretzky had to make the rest of the team feed off of them and played 110% on the ice
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Gmo Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@mcdangles,
Yes you could be right too, just let it ride out . If we make the playoffs great if we don’t , it will be painful. Start the season fresh with possibly a new GM or atleast a more offensive system. Yes let’s not lose assets just for one player , this Xplayer will come and sink in this crappy system anyways. In the off season drop Penner,stoll,Richardson, Lewis, and find some actual goal scorers. But remember to change the system first thing
Go kings Go
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DesertKing Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
@mcdangles,
Agreed, I think we should just ride it out.Replace DL, DS and JK, pick up some decent free agent wings and go from there.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@mcdangles, What top draft picks are there that isn’t playing in juniors, Europe or on our roster already are there to bring in? Who in Manchester was a top draft pick? This is one of the reasons why I bring up the fact that AL Murray did a horrible job at the draft, especially in 2003 which set us back 10 years. The ones that Dean picked need more time to become NHL ready. Others have been rushed and it didn’t work out so DL has become cautious with the young guys coming in.
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agree. this season is history anyway
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Male Bovine Excrement!!!!!
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How did we get from “The Time is now” to this? We have a rookie on each of our top 3 lines. We have our top line LW out to concussion. We have our other top line LW out due to lack of effort. We had our 3rd line center playing 2nd line wing. And we have a guy centering our 4th line that wasn’t even expected to make the roster this season.
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SpencerMaze Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@Helvetica, yea – very frustrating to say the least. And was/is Gagne really that crucial to our offense? Guess so.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@SpencerMaze,
Look at what happened to the ducks when they lost Blake and Lubo. Two good players out of their lineup and they drop to the bottom of the conference.
The teams are all very close to one another. Gagne hurt and Penner a bust has huge implications. Suppose the Kings had 15 additional goals from those guys, how many more points in the standings would they have? Six? Ten?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@Michael J., Not to mention Stoll. Penner, Stoll, Gagne between them on paper to score 50+ goals. That is what we are missing. Imagine if they got anywhere near that 50+ we would be battling Detroit and Vancouver for 1st place in the Conference and way ahead of San Jose.
Helvetica Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
@Michael J., Well, so far, the Kings have posted something like 29 goals combined in all of Quick’s 26 losses. If you were to stay conservative and put the Kings in the middle of the league in goals scored per game at around 2.6GF, thats about a 0.5 goal increase per game. Lets say they score 1 more every other game. So, that could potentially turn 13 of 26 losses into wins or overtime losses. Again, being conservative, thats another 10-15 points in the standings. At 10 more points, they’d be at 75 on the season and locked into 3rd because of a commanding lead in the Pacific. Even if SJ somehow jumped them in points to reclaim pacific lead, they’d still be sitting 5th in the conference above Nashville, with the 4th spot not far out of reach.
Helvetica Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@SpencerMaze, I wouldn’t pin Gagne as somehow turning everything around. But, you’d hope he’d be able to contribute on the offensive side of things certainly. But it also starts the dominos falling with regards to playing guys out of position and bringing in rookies to fill the void.
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Ty Conklin on on waivers. Dean claims him, solid back-up, and trades Bernier?
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DanielC Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:21 am
@Who Knows, Yes I would think so..NHL experience and this quote per @dennistfp on Twitter “Kings Jonathan Bernier chuckles acknowledging rumors – ‘haven’t asked for trade but I want to start in NHL.’ Wouldn’t end his world if dealt”
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deadcatbounce Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@Who Knows, Not sure how solid a backup would be when he couldn’t stop a beach ball from going into the net and whose entire career has been marked by inconsistency. Very high GAA and very low save percentage on a very good Detroit team. Is this really the sign of a good backup? I mean, really?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@deadcatbounce, He was the Goalie in like the first 3 Winter Classic’s.
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deadcatbounce Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
@Jeff_R, So?
haha after that 0-1 game against calgary FSW played the commercial “All the pieces are in place…The time is now” …gave me a chuckle
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The loss to Calgary is officially the wake up call to this team..Lombardi need to get Nash here else he is prolly gone by end of season..tough times but will survive…GKG!
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The positive sign is that DS finally recognized that Kopi & Brown don’t belong together. Late, but I hope still not too late. I believe that offensive production would become better with new lines. OK, let’s try now the new 1st and 2nd line, but the bottom 6 should be:
Penner – Loktionov – Lewis
Clifford – Stoll – Westgarth
Scratch Richardson & Fraser and run all four lines!
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zulov Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
@outsider, Good idea. I predict another DL disaster if he gives up Loktionov in a Nash trade. Lokti will turn into a 30 goal scorer with 50 apples a season.
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this lineup is sooooooo depressing. not the combinations, but what is available.
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Dennis Bernstein@DennisTFP
Hearing Kings offer expanded to Jonathan Bernier Jack Johnson Andrei Loktionov plus for Rick Nash
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outsider Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@Jeffreyryan, way too much…
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:43 am
@outsider,
Yes.
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Jeffreyryan Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@Michael J., I agree. I think he lands in ny
Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@Michael J., No it isn’t. It is so funny. Dean has built this team through the draft yet when a top player is available and we are sucking, nobody wants to give to get. Losing Jack and Lokti is tough but we have replacements for them…Voynov for JJ and for Lokti it is easy to find a 3rd line center or just resign Stoll. As for Bernier we have 4 guys in the minors and juniors who can come in and replace him in the next few years. Quick is going to be the Kings starter for the next 10 years. A lot like Brodeur in NJ who has been there starter for over 10 years.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@Jeffreyryan, Who does NY have that is better then Jack and Bernier? They are too close to the Cap and will have to give up a lot off there NHL roster to get Nash. Plus what will they do with Gaborik. Two wingers making 7+ million? They will ruin all the chemistry they built up this season, the first they have been real good in a long time.
tornado12 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@Jeffreyryan, check the math, the numbers dont work, there is a salary cap people!!!
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Jeffreyryan Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@tornado12, just trying not to get my hopes up.
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tornado12 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Jeffreyryan, lol. i know, me too! it has to be stoll instead of penner in order for it to work, otherwise a third team would have to get involved
I like the idea behind these new lines, but would love to see Richards and either Kopi or Justin Williams play together. Richards has been playing his ass off these past few games, it’s just he hasn’t had a lot of support from the two young guns on his line. Give him one (or both) of those premier passers and let him focus on finding space and crashing the net.
I’d play Stoll on the third line as well. Loktionov hasn’t been doing anything out there. In my mind we need to rely on Richards, Kopitar, Doughty, and Johnson right now to generate some offense. So put those four guys in the best position possible to score.
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I still like……
-Doughty, Kopitar, Williams
-Johnson, Richards, King
-Clifford, Stoll, Nolan
-Penner, Fraser, Brown
sit (Westy, Richardson, Lewis, Lotkionov)
play (voynov, Drewiski, along with Martinez, Greene, Mitchell, Scuderi)
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Gmo Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@Harty,
Is worth a shot. What do we got to lose?hey if big buff can go from being a power forward to dman , why not . At this point let’s considered all our options
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SpencerMaze Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@fsd1, It is definitely NOT ridiculous. DD could easily be converted to a winger. What’s the worst that could happen? He won’t score? We’re already at that junction
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:59 am
@SpencerMaze, DD is being paid 7 million to be a defenseman not a Winger. Trying to change a guys position as drastic as defenseman to Winger never works or the opposite as the Kings learned trying to turn Boyle into a defenseman.
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rick Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
@Harty, Seriously? Take two guys who have played nothing but D for years and expect that they are going to handle an entirely new position? Sorry, I like your posts usually, but this is the NHL not a bantam league.
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SantaMariaKing Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@Harty,
Agree,Doughty has speed and good hands. If you hand him the green light up front hopefully we’ll see the redlamp glow.”The time is now”,at least that’s what it said in the yearbook
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Could it be possible that Tim Leiweke puts pressure on DL to get Nash even if DL doesn’t want to give up so much?
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Michael J. Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:59 am
@goldielocks,
That’s about as likely as Lieweke putting pressure on DL to sign Doughty to an overpriced contract.
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outsider Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@Michael J., sad but true…
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@goldielocks, I think the fact that we are 30th in offense has more to do with it then anything Tim could say.
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@DEH, Interesting idea. I kinda like it
I mean what’s the worst that can happen? They won’t score?? LOL.
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DEH Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@SpencerMaze, even if they don’t score at least no one will get away with taking a run at Kopitar.
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SpencerMaze Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@DEH, Very true
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Let’s put that winger who can’t finish next to that center who doesn’t really care to finish.
No wait, let’s put that winger who doesn’t care to finish next to that center that used to finish but now can’t.
Hmm … Decisions, decisions….
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Fourth line looks like:
Penner – Stoll – Richardson
I don’t mind seeing Penner down there because we don’t exactly count on offense from them.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
@LA_1968, Maybe being on the 4th line will light a fire under them.
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I havent been back to this so called insider site since the hiring of darryl sutter when everyone was joyous about replacing a dinosaur with a caveman. now rick nash? 60-70 pt career guy who makes 7.8 mill. a guy whos won nothing. a guy who doesnt know how to win in the playoffs. another pwf forward in la. dont rebut me about his fluke rocket richard that took place in the dead era. were big and slow enough and we dont have many trading pieces left after our system has played all our potential into the ground. you want results? fire the front office(minus hextall) before the deadline so dl doesnt make another stupid move as a last ditch attempt to save his job. hextall serves as interim gm and then pray that darcy is fired in buffalo or better yet, that lou packs it in and brings parise(his true star)with him to hollywood. sutter wont make it through to next year after dl is canned too…hope you enjoyed your stint more than melrose did in tampa. then maybe just maybe…our superstar elite netminder may decide to stay. 10 losses and counting after only giving up one goal. i wouldnt blame him at all, id root for him.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@makeitreign, How do you know Nash doesn’t know how to win in the playoffs? He has only made it once and he had 3 points in the 4 games. DS is a good coach and it will show as the season goes on and in the playoffs (when we make it.) Nash along with Richards and Towes was the best line at the Olympics for Canada. He is a big time player who hasn’t had a chance in his career to show it off. In the last 5 years he scored 170 goals including 40 in 2008-9 a year where scoring was high (not the clutch and grab era.) Since his 2nd season in the NHL he has scored 30+ goals every year except for one. He scored 27 that year. People trying to compare him to Penner, Dustin has only had 1 season where he scored 30. Everybody wanted Nash before he signed long term with Columbus and now we have a chance to get him and nobody wants him. It is unbelievable. This team hasn’t had a player and scorer/sniper like Nash in how long? This is a trade that HAS to be made. I don’t care what we have to give up. Dean has built this team to withstand a trade like this.
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SpencerMaze Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
@Jeff_R, Agreed. IMHO, we have to get him now. Sorry but if DL let’s him get away that would be unforgivable. Get it done!
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The Kings can add roughly $3.9 million to their current roster without any salary leaving via trade or demotion, and roughly $5 million if they send down Dwight King and Jordan Nolan. But if they used long-term injury exemption on Simon Gagne and Scott Parse, they’d bump that up to $9.4 million.
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tornado12 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@Jeffreyryan, according to capgeek the Kings have 850K of cap space.
http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=17
the thing i dont understand is this ‘max cap hit’ number. can anyone (quisp/token…) how this works?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@tornado12, Penner will go in any Nash trade as will JJ and Bernier. So that is 10+ million right there. Plus you add in Gagne’s insurance exemption and you can bring in another mid level scorer and a backup to replace Bernier.
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tornado12 Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
@Jeff_R, that would put CBJ over the cap, i did the math last night
Jeff_R Reply:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
@tornado12, Well once they trade Nash they might want to trade us Mason or Sanford as we need a goalie plus they will trade Carter also and possibly other high players as well. They are going to slash the budget and go through major rebuild.
crazy money for not scoring eh folks………
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I have a revelation straight out my lady’s mouth….”I have been watching them the last few games and it seem like there’s no chemistry between them. One guy passes the ball to the other and he does’nt know where it is”. It’s all making sense now!!!
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I can vouch for Jeff Carter’s ability to score, living near Philly. He could energize Richards and our ’87 Oilers power play. Obviously he’s come a good deal cheaper than Nash,in terms of trade value, not necessarily money. Could we get him for Bernier and Penner/Stoll?
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I actually like Loktionov a lot. You can sense he is getting confident in his puck handling, and will keep the puck looking for something, instead of getting spooked and getting rid of it for nothing. I have seen him protect the puck quite well come around the net, but no one around…
I have faith that if he had a player with good movement and vision like Loktionov’s he would be very effective. It really takes one player to muck up the whole line, and I do not think he is it by any stretch. Obviously if you get stuck by yourself, you might eventually get bumped off the puck.
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I think that put Stoll on the 4th line with Richardson and Penner and Fraser and Westgarth to play at Colorado for back to back games will be fair so for Wednesday at Colorado for the 4th line will be Westgarth Fraser and Stoll and give Richardson a day off so what do you think
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Kopitar was never a burner however he looks slower this year to me, a step behind. Maybe his ankle isn’t a 100%?
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it’s either go after Nash hard right now, battling with 5 other teams, or forget about it… Being scared into inactivity is the DL way… time to step out of the comfort zone and get’er done.
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DL is gonna go get some 3rd line scrub from somewhere. Claim that the Cap Hit and terms made sense and it fulfilled some magic box on his chart and all of us will cry in agony. Plain and simple DL is good at scouting and drafting, not trading and signing.
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Munchrat Reply:
February 21st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
@Hockey Jesus, Bottom line: DL can play great D but he is a snooze on O
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