The Kings had three “Legends Night’’ games this season. On Dec. 10, they honored Bernie Nicholls, who scored 70 goals in one season. They lost 2-1 to Dallas. On Jan. 2, they honored Daryl Evans, who scored arguably the most memorable goal in franchise history. They lost 2-1 to Colorado in a shootout. Last night, they honored Charlie Simmer, “Triple Crown Line’’ member and two-time 56-goal scorer. They lost to Calgary 1-0. Perhaps it’s time to honor some defensemen and reverse the karma? Then again, the problem with the Kings’ offense certainly isn’t pregame ceremonies. The Kings are now averaging 2.03 goals per game, shockingly close to falling under hockey’s version of the Mendoza Line (I know, this isn’t baseball). After another shutout and another 1-0 loss, the Kings are out of a playoff spot with 23 games remaining. Once again, Jonathan Quick lost and had his already minuscule goals-against average drop. What was the key aspect of the Kings’ 1-0 loss to the Calgary Flames? I present three options at the link below, and you can vote for your choice…
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I remember screaming DL draft Stamkos! DL draft Stamkos!
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wavesinair Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:53 am
@408kingsfan,
Then we’d be .500 and have 7 less points and saying how we should have picked Doughty.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:59 am
@408kingsfan,
He would have if he had the chance to.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:00 am
@Michael J.,
Don’t let reality get in his way!
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am
@wavesinair, I still remeber yelling it
Michael J. Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:35 am
@408kingsfan,
At the 2010 draft I was yelling “pick Hall”, he didn’t listen to me either.
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Bingram Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:05 am
@408kingsfan,
Stamkos wasn’t available.
Go Kings go!!
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:52 am
@408kingsfan,
Ugghh we picked second that year. Not 1st. Don’t you remember?
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am
@tacomakingsfan,
ha ha yeah I remember. My minds just gone numb from reading this blog and watching LA Kings hockey
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KindSir Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@408kingsfan, He still would’ve picked doughty. Stamkos isn’t a defense last I checked
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KindSir Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@KindSir, defenseman***
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I voted for the post I made in the earlier thread. Neutral zone play and predictability in the O-Zone. We make it too easy for teams in this league to defend us. We give them time in the neutral to regroup because we play so slow there and don’t attack. We cycle, go low to high and shoot with no traffic instead of putting men in the slot and moving defenders 180 degrees to open up lanes.
We’re totally predictable and easy to defend. THAT is why we’re losing and can’t score.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:59 am
@Cynic,
I agree and it’s been that way since we opened the season in Europe. Awful in the NZ leading to dump the puck, leading to the predictable easily defended cycle, leading to the low to high game that is so pleasing to goalies all around the league.
We got rid of a guy because that’s all he knew, we kept his protoge Kompon, and we hired another NHL relic who believes in EXACLY the same thing. What’s the definition of insanity again? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? It’s becoming unbearable to watch.
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bbb7 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:47 am
@Cynic, Agree 100%, the Kings are maddening in how they always turn back into their own zone or do D-to-D passes for a while before trying to breakout… meaning the opposition has tons of time to re-set and put up their blue line road blocks. For a couple of games right after DS took over the Kings played a faster-paced, quick-counter style and I thought “This is how this team COULD play”… but for some reason that was quickly abandoned in favor of the usual plodding, methodical style.
And the worst thing is watching then circle back, pass D-to-D and then have them do a stretch pass to a forward who tips it in to change lines… it’s like passing up 10% of your possessions. Watching good teams, the only time they will do that is when they just had an icing and needed a change badly.
But bototm line, we need to get rid of two stone-handed pure grinders and re-stock our 2nd and 3rd lines with at least a LITTLE offensive threat. And do it NOW.
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Opposing teams netminder to LA Kings:
“All your goals are belong to me.”
What time does Nash’s flight arrive at LAX?
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How about an option of “The Sutter philosopy of how to win hockey games is fundamentally flawed and rooted in the 1990′s”? Sutter/Murray, same/same. We might even be worse off.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:01 am
@40YearKingsFan,
Neither Sutter nor Murray can make Kopitar go to the net.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:11 am
@Michael J., They don’t ask him to. They ask him to aimlessly cycle the puck and get back defensively, and thats exactly what he does.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am
@40YearKingsFan,
Or it could be the curse of being trained to play hockey in Europe.
Last naight kopi and brown lookt like they dident want to bee on the ice.
Mabe trade them..
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Even if the kings got Nash (I still don’t think they will get him)…the kings still don’t have the depth up front. I think the kings are still 2 or 3 PRODUCTIVE forwards away from being a contender.
We should trade kopi for Kane straight up. hawks need a center and we need wingers. Richards can be our #1 center. Lokti looks better and stronger on the puck every game…I think he can be a 2nd line center soon.
I missed the game last night…and kind of glad I did! 120+ mins without a goal is embarrasing….
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bbb7 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:50 am
@Cruiznblue, I havent been a Lokti fan but he has been looking better, more confident. I feel bad for the guy, getting possession and turning to and fro trying to find someone to pass to and the other guys have no offensive sense so he has no outlets. A third line with Lewis and Clifford is useless – not good enough to be your checking line and not able to score.
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crashin' da net Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am
@bbb7, have to agree, Lokti looked real strong on the puck possession last night with no one to pass to….
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The time is now to raise the poor season ticket
holders prices ?
Why do the season ticket holders have to
pay the price of the team being run badly?
I say let’s get Luc and Daryl back on the ice for us?
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:07 am
@Gail Weber,
Don’t buy them. Has the organization earned your patronage? If you went to a restaurant and the food was as bad as the Kings production, would you eat there again? It’s just my opinion,’but I will not reward the Kings for what they sold us in the offseason and what they given us this year. Not one nickel of my money.
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Gail Weber Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:25 am
@40YearKingsFan, so 40 year King fan you
do not go to any games?
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:51 am
@Gail Weber, This year, only when the tickets were given to me by business associates. I go to the Toyota Sport Center from time to time and take in a practice. But, if it’s what you’re asking, the Kings will have to actually get serious about competing for Lord Stanley’s Cup before I start peeling off 100 dollar bills for decent seats. I truly don’t believe they are today and there are many other entertainment options competing for my money. A lot more attention to detail went into “pride passion power” sales pitch than went into picking a coach that could take us to another level. So no. I do not go. Sorry for the long winded answer!
Stagger Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:19 am
@Gail Weber,
This is actually a pretty scary thing. Not the actual raising of the prices, which is bad enough, but the timing of the announcement. To tell a very disgruntled fan base that the prices for some of their seats are rising, while the team is in the middle of a record setting scoring slump, makes management seem out of touch with the fans.
It’s one thing for them to build a team that, on paper, looked really good (Remember how excited we were last summer?) only to have them not play to their potential. That’s an honest mistake. A bad one, but an honest one.
It’s something else entirely to kick the fans when they’re already down by raising season seat prices at a time like this. It makes mgt. LOOK callous and uncaring IMO.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:52 am
@Stagger, VERY compelling points my friend.
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kingrussell Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:05 am
@Stagger, Not just going up,but going up by more than 40%. This organization doesn’t deserve to have any season seat holders.
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It actually hurts me to watch the Kings play rigth now. It’s painful to see them in this condition.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:13 am
@TripleNickel, Well said. Me too. And the hurt is manifesting itself in anger right now. I just think we all deserve better.
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kingrussell Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@TripleNickel, Watching paint dry is more entertaining and you’re just as likely to see a goal.
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Trade everyone and put me on waivers. This is why it will be sweet when we win the Cup. Happiness tempered by heartache GKG!
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A very complex problem. But there may be a simple solution.
What if Staples Center was like a restaurant and charged you after your meal?
Game which is a loss. $15
Game which is a tie. $25
Game which is a win $35
Add’l for Kings goals. $5 each
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Rich doesn’t like me harping on this, but I’m gong to bring it up again anyway. The Kings are 12th in the league in shots on goal, not at all bad for a defense first team. But only 6.7% of their shots are scoring, the worst average for which there are records. I don’t know if that’s caused by not having a net front presence or having a punchless period like the 2nd in last night’s game. So maybe it’s 2 or 3 in Rich’s list. But something isn’t right. It may be that the other teams in the league have figured out the Kings offense. Maybe it’s just coincidence that several players are slumping at the same time. Coincidences do happen. But this team needs to work on figuring a way to make those shots count. No team ever (for which we have records) has been as poor at scoring as this Kings team. It didn’t get any better at all with the coaching change, the Kings just tightened down and Quick nudged closer to the Vezina. If the Kings were even 29th in the league, scoring on 7.5% of their shots, they’d have about 10 more goals and they’d probably be leading the Pacific. Unless they figure out a way to get more of the shots they take to go in (which is not at all the same as shooting more, their shot count is fine), then they’ll be like Minnesota and slowly sink to the bottom of the West.
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crashin' da net Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am
@Donald_S, these stats are expected when the objective is “quantity not quality”. that is the style of the 70′s and 80′s. Too many men collapsing down low to clog everything up. Snipers and redirects rule the day. And this is something our coaches fail to teach our new kids. They ingrain them into the classic style of hockey. Banging and cycling but never getting a shot off. Look at DET (hate them). Not a vary physical team unless they have to be. Same with CHI. THis is not a player thing. This is a coaching style that the players are directed to employ. I’m ready for the next 5 year plan but only after we systemiclly clean house. This one is making me sick.
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No Heart, No Passion. The Kings are readable, predictable. The only players that show any spark is King and Nolan, maybe it is to show they want to stay up and not be sent back to the Monarchs? How about stop rimming the puck around the boards, outside and just crash the net and shoot at the net when the defence have the puck at the point
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GoKingsGo Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:07 am
@mcdangles, Other teams seems to always have someone in the slot but our team is always running around the boards. I miss the good old days when the opposing teams used to blame us for running into their goalie on purpose because it only shows we are doing an effective net presences.
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mcdangles Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:15 am
@GoKingsGo, more shots to and on the net= chance percentage of pucks will be ion the net. Kings would rather keep moving the puck outside making sure every player touches the puck, wasting time on the clock, especially on the PP. We see it every time the are on the pp, time to change it up if they want to come out with a goal out of a 2 min man advantage
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vinny Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am
@mcdangles,
cant discount the shot blockers tho..sometimes the lane just isnt there
crashin' da net Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:23 am
@mcdangles, Did anyone see how when PHO was on the PP they just stood still for about a minute and kept passing back and forth watching our guys chase like rabbits?!! Got our guys completely tired out. I think they scored but how embarassing that wsa.
bbb7 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am
@mcdangles, I dont agree with the no heart, no passion stuff, but the Kings are certainly THE most predictable team, probably in all of professional sports.
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These back to back shutouts are just a rehearsal for the playoffs. They’re getting ready for low-scoring, pressure games knowing they’re going to be on the road to start their Cup run.
Now they’ll work they’re way back up with two 1-0 victories, then slide into 8th and take down the Red Wings in 7…on the road…1-0 to move into the 2nd round.
Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?
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mcdangles Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:01 am
@wavesinair, not going to happen, that is a dream, this is reality
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wavesinair Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:04 am
@mcdangles,
Duh! Dreams are all we have left at this point.
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mcdangles Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:08 am
@wavesinair, wish I wasn’t. Looking forward to the next season to start, this one is TOAST!
Michael J. Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am
@wavesinair,
Oh, that’s it. Thanks for clearing it up for me. I’m not frustrated anymore.
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nykingfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:42 am
@wavesinair,
I like the theory!
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bbb7 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:55 am
@wavesinair, I believe you are correct, only the prep is specifically for those ’0-0 into the fourth overtime’ games in the playoffs. You know, the ones where we will have had 75 shots on goal and still not scored.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
@bbb7, I guess they need more practice then, cause they seem to keep losing the low scoring, 1 goal, playoff style games.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am
@wavesinair,
Alright, scoot over Waves, I’m running as fast as I can and I’m gonna jump back on the bandwagon! I’ve been mad long enough today!!
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@wavesinair,
What a sneaky plan!
Sniffing some glue, haven’t you…
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Top 5 Unintended Consequences of the Flames Game …
5. I won’t be giving the Kings any more of my money.
4. Ducks will (again) end up ahead of us in the final standings.
3. The Kings are now officially Sellers not Buyers.
2. Rick Nash takes the Kings OFF his possible trade team list.
And the number one Unintended Consequence of losing to the Flames …
Jonathan Quick will never resign with the Kings, at any price.
“Resilience if Futile.
You will be Humiliated.”
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This is getting ridiculous, im getting sick and tired of this crap!
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kingrussell Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:09 am
@kingsfan2316, The team looks sick and tired too.
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Pull the trigger Lombardi. Kopitar needs help and Nash would be great as a King. That way Brown can go on a line with Clifford. With 2 goals a game the Kings could win the cup!
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wavesinair Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:07 am
@PB Frank,
Kopitar needs to worry about his own fledgeling game.
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:10 am
@PB Frank,
Brown needs to be taken off left wing. It’s not working and he’s always on his back hand when he goes to the net.
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Man, it seems the Kings are trying real damn hard to lose the fan base. Two home game = two losses!! As much as I know that no one in the Kings organzation will read any of our posts, they need too. Many of you right here on the Insider have knowledge of the game. Yet no one listens. Over the last 24 hours many of you claim to have the amswer. We can only hope that someone out there will listen. Our guys are trying, they are skating hard, just nothing is going in. I still think we are going to turn it around and make some noise in the playoffs. But watching last nights game I had this strange feeling that the game looked, fixed!! Yes I said it. How can we continue to be awesome on “D” and yet not score a single point. “D” wins championships, right! I’m telling you guys something isn’t right with this group of guys. Penner looked the same and our first line did nothing at all. What do we do. Bet the under on every game? The Kings can’t score. Never have we seen a team so bad on offense. There are no answers!!! We just keep showing up, don’t we? Another sold out game. Another summer on the beach. Yes folks I’m pissed off!! We just want our club to win some games. Is that asking to much?
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mcdangles Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:11 am
@King Charles of Salt Lake, you would be surprised how many do read this, and not just the players of the Kings organization
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Stagger Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:28 am
@mcdangles, Enlighten us. Who reads it?
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King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am
@Stagger, We want answers NOW!!!!!
Kingsfan602 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:17 am
@King Charles of Salt Lake, at this even some goals would feel like a victory even if we did lose.
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kingrussell Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am
@King Charles of Salt Lake, At least they’re trying hard at something.
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sometimes you just have a bad season….starting with going overseas…..DD’s contract…TM being fored….Just like when a team has a dream season..this is the opposite.Some of it is mental…some of it is lack of talent…some of it is the system…some of it was the pressure….Now either the coach needs a way to get every one to relax and just play…or the players have to take the..”WTF” attitude and just play..dont think about the system or not scoring or anything..just play….More then likely next season will be our year…we will learn from this season and we will be under the rader….DS will have time to make changes and we will make the changes that are needed…
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Pesus Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@neil,
Nice to read a glass half full coment once in a while. Hopefully they all learn from this.
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bbb7 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@neil, At this point the rebuilding plan is iffy. It seems to me the only likely way to improve the forwards is to trade several now for as many picks as we can get and hope to develop a few forward gems in 2-3 years. The problem is by then our D core will be getting longer in the tooth and high-salaried and we wont be able to keep them and Quick all together. We went TOO strongly for improving the back line.
It would seem the solution to have the team come together sooner is to trade whatever we can from our proven grinders (and then sacrifice a few D prospects) and get a few young, unproven all-offense players from other NHL or AHL teams. I dont think sacrificing 3-4 players/prospects for Nash will do it; we need a way to trade 3-4 players/D-prospects for 3-4 O-prospects; 2nd/3rd line guys who can score a little.
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This is a great time to look at the positives that surround the Kings. We now know that DL DESERVES to be canned and that we can start the process of making this an all round team not just defensive. We can forget about Nash or trading any of our roster players as I don’t trust DL has the intelligence to actually pull off a worthy deal. Most likely we will tank and can get a high draft pick and can trade off our ufa’s and get something for them now instead of nothing in the summer. Please don’t trade Bernier cause there is no way in hell that Quick is resigning with this pathetic team. Last but not least we can ease our minds about landing Parise, and focus our attention on overpaying Semin, cause thats what the Kings need to do is overpay for a guy like Semin cause a guy like Parise DOESN’T want to go to LA. So moral of the story is keep your expectations really low so you won’t be disappointed.
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kingrussell Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:12 am
@Canadian King, Make sure they seal that can real tight so we never hear from him again.
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I voted other. This is TM hangover. The defense first, play afraid with no heart culture has been ingrained into the minds of these players to the point that no matter what is done they keep playing predictable crappy hockey no matter what is said in the locker room. Before TM was fired I posted that the year was lost. The tone for the season was set by Mr lamp post aka TM. DS brought a spark to the team with a temporary run of good games but that initial energy has worn off.
I get the sense that our players just don’t want to play. Ever notice how Kopi just disappears from games? He looks depressed. I don’t think it’s because he wants to leave, I think he is just sick of losing.
Unfortunately there is no quick fix. We can trade players and bring in Nash/Carter but that’s only a band aid type fix. To fix the Kings you have to go to the root of the problem. I think we all know what that is.
GKG
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Other. Kings suck. Every kings fan deserves way better than this. Cant wait for Tuesdays game here in phx. The players will feel my rage when i tell them some stuff when they go in and out of the tunnel. I also kinda want to throw my jersey back at them for this garbage play of late. Sooooooo frustrating!
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Deadendcruiser Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
@Kingsfan602, If I still lived in Peoria I would be right there with you!
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The problem goes way beyond these 3 options. Its the players, or its the D first sysyem or the players not buying into the system anymore. But something is wrong with this team and its been wrong fro a couple of seasons now. What I dont get is we still try and do the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again! TRY SOMETHING NEW!!! Jut switching players or line combinations doesnt help either, no matter the skill level of the player. When Simmons and Schenn outscore Kopitar and Richards you have a big problem. I think some players have mailed it in, and I dont blame them.
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Pesus Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:46 am
@Pesus,
Sorry for the spelling, dont have time to proof read at work.
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It was and has been a lack of any PP. We had 3more chances to their 1. Bury one of those and you have aa tie. Niry 2 with our defense and we win. Look at the stats – when we score on the PP we win, when we don’t we lose. OurPP and offense are totally predictable which makes them easy to defend by pushing us to tje areas outside the dots.
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this is what 7 mil a yr looks like – A D man that doesn’t score, inspire, lead, intimidate, fight, or hit – you got played DL – what a disaster he is – the problem is everybody else see’s how weak he is and now the team is stuck with this horrible contract – cant trade him no one will touch him -
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King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:31 am
@dirtmover, Great blame it all on DD. Because he’s a easy scapegoat! This team is one great “D” team. We all KNOW this!! Our “D” plays as a unit. If only our “O” can do the same. What we haven’t seen is Sutter blowing up on the bench yet. Maybe on Tuesday the monster will come out. Start Yelling at these guys, they need discipline
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Pesus Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:37 am
@dirtmover,
He’s probably gonna trade JJ, the one player who did him a favor by signing a team friendly contract. Nice loyalty Dean.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am
@dirtmover,
wow. he’s 22 years old man. just a teensy-weensy bit too soon to give up on him. you know, like by 4 years.
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Pesus Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am
@wavesinair,
Your right but he make adult money, thats what fans cant get over. Probably why our tickets are going up.
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Black Knight Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am
@dirtmover,
Did anyone see DD interview between periods and a video of him as well. Wow, someone needs a bigger helmet, or a smaller head… Diet and a stronger workout Drew (maybe he should be spending Summer’s w/Gary Roberts) a double chin in your early twenties for a supposed elite athlete is just sad.
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The reason for our scoring drought, is not lack of “net presence”, getting shots off to the point to get a dirty goal, nor is it the poor PP. We can’t score goals because we just seem to play very hot goalies EVERY night… LOL.
Does anyone have that colored powder stuff you put in your water and mix it with sugar? I could sure use a very large glass right now.
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The organization is at a crossroads. The two choices are:
1)Make one huge deal/two big deals
or
2) stand pat and face the facts that this just isn’t their year.
I’m leaning toward both.
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Just watch the Toronto game last night Malhothra scores a goal while diving face first to the goal. That’s how it’s done!
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LOL and everyone said i was crazy that the Ducks would soon pass us up…. Truth hurts
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The problem Kopitar and Richards have is they have no dominant wingers to play with. If some of you think Williams and Brown are top 3 wingers, you couldnt be more wrong. Matter a fact, if Kopi or Richards had Perry and Ryan on their wing, they would be piling up points right now.
Thats why when some of you say Doughty sucks, you are wrong. Doughty;s problem is that his talent is going to waste here. Thats why I say trade him and Bernier along with another player or prospect and bring in Nash and Carter, and Sanford. If the Kings make that move, it COMPLETELY changes the dynamic of our top 6 and makes the Kings a force to be reckoned with.
If not, well, start cleaning out your office Dean.
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KingsGuy Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@puck73, Yup…
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King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:46 am
@puck73, Good to hear your still kicking friend!! Do you really think Dean will make the mega trade? Will we make the playoffs? We still have a month to play. This season is no where’s from being over. We all want the same thing… Continue to play great “D”, continue to play Quick, and score some GOALS!!!
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Pesus Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:00 am
@puck73,
+1
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am
@puck73, Agree 100%
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bbb7 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am
@puck73, The thing that makes me leery of getting Nash and Carter is that Williams and Penner WERE top forwards before they came to the Kings and suddenly neither can score. Penner’s shooting percentage on the Kings is HALF of what it was even last year on the Oilers and half of what it was in ANY prior season. Williams has never been a sharpshooter but never near as bad as this season. Richards has ONE goal in his last 55 shots, and he’s always been an over 10% shooter.
There’s just something majorly wrong with the offensive system that exchanging star players wont fix. The mind set of the forwards has to be fixed first.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@bbb7, The one thing I would add to the absolute fact that good wingers have come here and turned bad is that there is zero coaching going on to make them better. Sutter doesn’t appear interested in changing one damn thing to jumpstart who have been good to excellent scorers in the past. Nothing and I think it’s fair to start pointing that out.
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Canadian King Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@puck73, +1
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could you imagine where they’d be if Quick didn’t stand on his head night in, night out? – wouldn’t be pretty
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pr0cess Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@petemagoop, Better get used to it, we are going to lose him. Why would he stay here?
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King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:47 am
@pr0cess, Because he owns a house in the South BAy?
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pr0cess Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:49 am
@King Charles of Salt Lake, LOL and he cant sell it cause??
Eric Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:51 am
@King Charles of Salt Lake, He’ll be paid enough by any other team in the league to buy a house anywhere. I don’t think real estate will keep him.
King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am
@King Charles of Salt Lake, The prices are to high and the houseing market is slow… Please don’t leave Quick, we need you!!!
408kingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:46 am
@petemagoop, right below Columbus I did the math
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Can we fire the entire coaching staff this time? Especially Kompon. Then get rid of Dean Lombardi at the end of the season. I’ve never understood the love for Lombardi. He’s the most overrated GM in the NHL. He sucks at making trades, and when he does make a trade he over pays. He sucks at signing players, and when he does sign them he over pays. I miss Dave Taylor, we gave up practically nothing for Ziggy Palffy and Smolinski. He was also the one who drafted our two best players Kopitar(when no one else in the league wanted him) and Quick.
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:48 am
@DrewStopCrossChecking,
Sure, that would be as easy as getting Doughty to stop taking cross check penalties
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puck73 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:49 am
@DrewStopCrossChecking, Dave Taylor was good at making trades, but his track record with defenseman and goalies was very poor. Also, keeping Andy Murray around, and letting that dictator never give the players a day off, and bag skating them until they dropped had devastating consequences.
Remember, the Kings under Andy Murray set records for man games lost due to injuries that still stand today. In fact, Allison, Palffy, and Deadmarsh were casualties of Andy Murray overworking them…THAT WAS, AND STILL IS ON DAVID TAYLOR.
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am
@puck73, dictator lol
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DrewStopCrossChecking Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am
@puck73, Ok let’s bring Dave Taylor back as an assistant GM ONLY to make trades since it appears Lombardi in clueless how to do it.
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puck73 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:10 am
@DrewStopCrossChecking, Agree. Dean Lombardi and Terry Murray tried to turn all our top 6 wingers into Guy Carbonneau and it failed miserably here in the post lockout era. Consequently, they chased all the top 6 talent away. What they did to Bud Hollway was wrong, and a friggen crime last season.
If Lombardi doesnt Bring help at the deadline, you can kiss his ass goodbye.
This team has been drifting for too long. It needs a major kick in the backside. I’d start with trading Brown and making Richards captain.
We are strong defensively and through the middle but the wings need major surgery.
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Rich isn’t posting the right options. He’s being too nice.
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DrewStopCrossChecking Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:55 am
@bmova, I chose (Other) – as in our system and coaching staff sucks big time!!!!!!
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bmova Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
@DrewStopCrossChecking, I picked “Other” too. Those were along the same lines I was thinking!
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Question: if I sign on for playoff pay as we play, anyone interested in buying half? 2 seats section 205 row 10 on the aisle.
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Other than the last 2 minutes of that hockey game I thought the Kings played well..better than Calgary, but they got the one shot in, we didn’t.
I keep seeing chances that somehow don’t go in. Whether it’s ringing the post, skate tip saves..I just have never seen anything like this.
The frustration level i’m sure has set in with the players. They feel as sick about this as the fans do. They have professional pride and the heart to win. This has to be killing them.
We can pick on individual games, but for the most part an honest look at this and the only thing missing from their games is finishing..something they’ve been able to do before. If a couple of those chances would have gone in, we’d be talking about a great effort to get 2 points. Instead we’re talking as if we have the worst team in hockey with no pride or heart. That’s so far from the truth.
My only issue with last nights game was the poor job in the faceoff circle by Kopi and Richards. They were beaten on every big faceoff down the stretch. You never know. a couple of those wins could have produced something.
I understand I’m going to get killed for still supporting these guys, but that’s an honest look at how these games are going. When you outwork and outplay your opponent, you should get rewarded at some point. The hockey Gods can’t continue to be this cruel.
also wanted to address something I read multiple times yesterday. The thought that JQ wouldn’t want to re-sign with the Kings because of what’s going on.
1-It’s always about the $$
2-JQ’s a team player and would never think to blame his mates.. privately or publicly
3-He’s playing for one of the best defensive teams in the NHL. Partly because of that, JQ will be making some pretty decent $$ in his next contract…see #1
Does he really want to go to teams like Philly where they score 5 goals, but play no defense and leave him shell-shocked with a 4+ gaa?
Think first people!
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Pesus Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:04 am
@nykingfan,
No rip here, I still see effort from the players too. Spot on about Quick too.
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:05 am
@nykingfan, nobody has any curve left on their stick.
Not one player has the ability to flip the puck up high or shoot top shelf.(especially on the back hand) Always right in the bread basket of the goalie or in his pads. We might hit some posts but never the cross bar. This is my observation of why the chances aren’t getting buried.
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number 6 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:22 am
@408kingsfan, and nykingfan
It’s what 408 said. I never for a second question the effort. I question the chemistry or lack thereof on the team. Theres a big difference between giving the effort and execution. They aren’t one and the same.
To be frank about this, I think it’s rather naive to expect a team that struggles mightily to score one never mind two goals a game, that they’ll all of a sudden break out and start scoring 2 1/2, 3 or 4 on a regular basis. You need finishers. It’s like in soccer. There are players in Europe who excel at that skill. If you don’t have them on your team you’re gonna struggle, and for the nhl version, the Kings don’t have them.
Why that is I can’t answer. My best guess (and I’m not trying to be sarcastic so pleeease don’t take it that way) is that Dean Lombardi sees it very differently than I do. My opinion is that the game has not changed a little…. it’s changed dramatically since the lockout. I’m not convinced that he sees it that way, or he does see it that way but feels personally that the basics of building a team the way one did in 1986 or 1992 still apply, and I respect that opinion.
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nykingfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am
@number 6,
If you want to say many of the guys aren’t finishers on the team, that’s fine.
But there are enough former 30 goal scorers on the team that they shouldn’t be getting shutout 1-0 every night.
All the Kings are looking for at this point is 1 friggin goal. If they got it, they might have gotten 4 points instead of 0.
1 goal as a team is not asking for the moon. They’re more than talented enough to sneak one past the goalie per night.
This is bordering on the most offensively challenged teams in the history of the NHL. Should that really be happening with guys like Kopi, JW, Brown, Richards, Penner, DD, JJ??
Is it really too much to expect those guys to find a way to work together to score 1 measly goal a night?
Gmo Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@nykingfan,
If the Kings where located in a canadian city DL would not stand a chance. He would be hounded and so would iwnership
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nykingfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@Gmo,
Especially Montreal, but you see how dysfunctional they are? Do you think that’s really better than what we have?
Same with Toronto. How long has it been there with people screaming for heads and getting them?
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Why is the local media so easy on the Queens? How about holding them accountable and calling them out? Nobody has any guts.
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puck73 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@Steevogt, This has been a Laker town ever since Magic Johnson came here in 1979. GEEZ dude, where have you been?! The only thing people care about around here is how many times Kobe took a dump in the toilet today, and free jack in the Box Taco’s…THATS IT/
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Steevogt Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:09 am
@puck73, I know it’s a Laker town. I’m not talking about Jim Hill at CBS. I’m talking about the reporters that cover the Kings, Lisa Dillman, Helene Elliot, Jim Fox, etc. None of them ever have any guts to really criticize the Kings.
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puck73 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:12 am
@Steevogt, Gretzky left town in 1996……..no mainstream people care anymore.
Steevogt Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:14 am
@Steevogt, That’s still no excuse for the reporters who actually make a living at covering the Kings to go easy on them.
Daren Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:07 am
@Steevogt, Because L.A. Is not a hockey town. Biggest bandwagon market in the world.
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gustavo Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am
@Steevogt,
More like nobody in the media is interested in the Lombardi product. Why waste time with it? LA Times got a lot of flak for calling out the firing of TM by guess who?
This ALL OUT DEFENSE system does not bring the results the organization is marketing. Period.
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kingrussell Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
@Steevogt, Because nobody in the media cares.
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Voted other…Lombardi’s curse!!
Time to start sacrificing goats and chickens. Throw in a few maidens for good measure, as well.
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Painted a piece of wood this morning, set it out back and grabbed a seat to watch it dry. Yep, it’s about the same.
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I for one think we still will make a run. We have one of the top goalies, defense, and penalty killers in the league. Defense wins Championships. Also I think having more games on the road to close out season is a blessing in disguise for this team. They say a persons past results usually dictate future results. This is usually very true when hiring new employees. So what mystifies me is that Kopitar, Brown, Williams, Richards, and even Stoll are all past proven 20 + goal scorers playing this same system (not Richards). Richards can store too and proved it earlier before concussion. To me that is what’s so frustrating I know they have it in them they have it done it before. Maybe it is the system as some have pointed out teams have us figured out we need to activate the D more be better at the first quick pass out of the zone idk… Something besides changing up the lines needs to be tweaked. I really feel like it is confidence and the mental part of our game. They are thinking to much grabbing the stick to tightly. Never never never underestimate the importance of having confidence and the mental part of the game.
I’m an optimist I think they will make the playoffs play a top seed and hopefully have the WTF attitude ad someone said earlier in a post and make a run.
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number 6 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:30 am
@Cunning Plan,
I disagree. Defense alone does not win Championships. If you have any questions regarding that, check out the post season stats for the Baltimore Ravens since 2001. In 2000 with an absolutely dominating defense they beat a very subpar NY Giants team in the Super Bowl. Since then they’ve won nothing.
Just like the nhl, the nfl has changed too. Peyton Manning won one. The Saints with their offense won one. The Steelers with a Balance of offense and defense won one. Green Bay with a torrid offense led by Aaron Rogers won one. Detroit, Pittsburgh and Chicago all had superb defenses. You can compare Boston’s win with the Kings… but check out Boston’s goals for total this year. They are 2nd in goals for. So as sports have evolved the old maxim’s don’t hold as true.
Defense doesn’t win Championships. Good overall Balance wins Championships.
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number 6 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:34 am
@number 6,
and btw, maybe in football you can win 3 post season games with a suffocating d and just enough offense. But for the SC you need to win 4 series and 16 games. No defense is gonna win you that scoring 1.5 goals per game. Sorry.
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puck73 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am
@Cunning Plan, Not with this offense they wont. No trade at the deadline to change the chemistry, then kiss Lombardi goodbye.
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Pesus Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@Cunning Plan,
Go look at the goals against and goals for for the last 10 teams to play for a cup. All of them are in the top 5 in GA. Most of them are up there too in goals against but not as hi as GF. Pitt won a cup with the 17th best Goals against. So D does not win cups, we play great D. How many cups do we have? We are 1-4 in overtime playoff games because goals win games in overtime not Great D. Our lone win was a PP goal. Cant just play D and expect to win anymore.
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I’m Not sure how to view Deans tenure in LA. He’s spent the past 6 years building and preaching the importance of defense. In that respect he has succeded. We have become a defensive juggernaut. But I’ve been concerned for a couple season about the building of a team filled with nothing but leaders, character guys, and two-way forwards…sounds strange right. We need a little arrogance, a little ME FIRST attitude. Its the attitude lacking on this team. Trust me, after 6 seasons of character building a few guys with this attitude shouldnt crumble this locker room. I dont see a deadline deal turning 6 seasons of philosophy around. Give me a 20-25 goal guy with a mean streak (Simmonds…oops) and a goal scorer that wants the puck on his stick at all times (and gets angry when he doesnt). Get a couple guys like this and bring a little atitude and arrogance with them…we need it !!
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I’m liking the Key Three thing Mr. Hammond – good stuff. As to “the problem with the Kings’ offense certainly isn’t pregame ceremonies.” – management has to account for the rise in ticket prices and lack of scoring somehow.
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Ownership presence. The owner doesn’t care then I don’t care.
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