Darryl Sutter’s postgame thoughts…
(on losing a second consecutive 1-0 game…)
SUTTER: “I don’t think I’ve ever done that. Maybe in a playoff series or something, but not in the regular season. … It’s frustrating. You’ll got to be really careful that some of these guys don’t get out of sync with what their strengths are. It’s frustrating. Tonight, you get an off-the-net bad break. You’ve got to really break it down. You’ve got to emphasize that areas like the power play have to keep it simple and get shots and traffic. Same with some of our workers. They can’t get away and try and get away from their game, because that’s when you get in trouble.’’
(on getting top players such as Kopitar going…)
SUTTER: “When you break it down, it’s not a team thing. We’ve stuck with Kopi, Brownie and Willy. The Richards line has been our best since we called those kids up, clearly. We’ve stuck with the Kopi, Brownie and Willy line. It’s just not, right now, getting a lot. That’s what they do, is create and score. I’m not sure, as a line, that they’re getting a lot of opportunities.’’
(on whether he will look at make line-combination changes…)
SUTTER: “We have to try to give them different looks, and help them as individuals. So we’ve got to look at it. We’ve been in a position where it’s been hard to break them up, because how do you? Stolly has been out, and Dustin (Penner) has been so up and down in it. We moved Brown to left wing, 10 days ago, to see if that would get him going, but the last goal he scored was actually against Calgary. We’ve got our work cut out.’’
(on talking to management about trade possibilities…)
SUTTER: “First off, I wouldn’t do that, and secondly, that wouldn’t be something to talk about in the media.’’
(on the Kings’ “inconsistent’’ offense…)
SUTTER: “I think that we really have to bear down on the opportunities that we get. You don’t get a lot of opportunities. That’s not anything that’s inconsistent. I think that’s consistent. We don’t get a lot of chances, so you’ve got to bear downs on the ones you get.’’
(on getting a lot of shots blocked…)
SUTTER: “We outshot them 2-to-1. That’s what you’ve got to try to do, right?’’
(on being worried about Quick’s mental state…)
SUTTER: “I’m not. We’re trying to be a playoff team, and your concern is not the mental part for him at all. He’s probably the strongest guy we have. My concern would be, we’re in a position where he’s our best player. He’s probably, arguably, one of the top three or four in the league. I might think he’s the best. My concern would be just the physical part with him. It’s tough to gauge that, and it’s tough to get away from not playing him.’’
Sick and tired of the same analysis from Sutter. It’s BS. This team doesn’t have the skill to compete. This debacle is on Lombardi. They got rid of him in San Jose because he couldn’t build a contender there and he can’t do it here.
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gmo Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
@Jeff,
exactly. i dont really know why some ppl think really highly of DL or think he is a genius. how many cups has he won as GM?as the sharks GM how well did his team do in the post season?
THE TIME IS NOW, to get rid of DL AND KOMPON.
GKG
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Dd Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
@gmo,
agree, DL needs to go sooner than later, before he destroys what is left in a self preservation effort.
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Mudfish4 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:21 am
@rogiesbackup 3-4 guys in front of the net eh? That better be one heck of a 1 player that’s not there.
rogiesbackup Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:34 am
@Dd, Nah, DL is fine……The coaches need to pursue activating the week side defense men into play more often. I wish they’d done it in the first period instead of the third, and done it in the beginning of the season.
I think this will create even more chances for the the team to win.
Still not seeing too much movement with guys WITHOUT the puck on the PP.
adanac Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:36 am
@Dd, We are no going to win the Stanley Cup and even if we add a couple of player’s it will cost too much. Enjoy this season and there are many other teams who are having the same eccentric fit’s by the fans. Hang in there DL
Daniel Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
@gmo, Lombardi is a complete failure.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:13 am
@Daniel, Lombardi buys the tools the designers(coaches) and the carpenters(players) are at fault!!
DL is fine!!
OneTimer Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am
@Daniel,
Wrong.
40YearKingsFan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:28 am
@gmo, Sutter’s worried about them getting “out of sync” with what their strengths are? Was he even at the game last night? Is this incoherent babbling fool actually trying to say the Kings are playing well and he’s worried about them changing their game? Or does he fancy himself so smart he thinks he’ll say a bunch of garble again and we’ll just interpret it as too smart for us or think it’s funny?
I’m now completely worn out with his intentionally nebulous BS. Say what you mean Partner or just pass on the interview. This “stupid country bumpkin” schtick is bad enough when the team was doing mediocre like they were earlier, but its unbearable now.
Hey Daryll, in case you haven’t noticed or don’t care, the team you coach better get “out of sync” soon or they’re going to miss out on getting embarrassed in the first round again.
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DEH Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
@Jeff, doesn’t have the skill? I count five 30 players on our active roster that have scored 30+ goals in a season. It looks like they have scored before. The skill isn’t the problem. They are playing sloppy, they can’t make passes, and there is little to no chemistry. It looks like TM’s shoot and pray mentality is still ingrained in their heads. There is not enough movement in the O-zone, hence no open lanes to make passes and a lot of blocked shots/passes. We need someone to step up and force the D to double team him so shots can get through.
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Jeff Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
@DEH, no I don’t think that this team has the skill to compete. DL’s judgment and hockey sense is suspect. Look at the players he has acquired in the not so distant past- Gagne, Moreau, Hunter, Penner, and Hickey. The guy doesn’t know what he’s doing and the team he has put together stinks.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
@Jeff, Uhh we may share the same name but you are so all over the place that it is hard to dissect what you said. If you think Moreau amd Hunter were brought in to score a lot of goals then I don’t know what to say in response. Penner was a good hockey trade that just didn’t work out. The last 4 years he has 23, 17, 32, 23 goals. There was no reason on god’s green earth to think he would only have 5. Gagne was a risk but one worth taking and unfortunately it didn’t work out this year. The last 6 years he has played in 60+ games, except for 1. There was no reason to believe he wouldn’t play at least 60 or score at least or close to 20 goals. It also boggles my mind why people keep bringing up Hickey. We are one of the best defensive teams in the Nhl and who exactly offensively could we have gotten instead? The only one would be Couture but our problem then was defense and who knew that Hickey would have 2 seasons of shoulder injuries and have that stunt his growth. Right now he is doing well in Manchester and made the AHL All Star game. He is now on his way to making the NHL. Whether or not he does it with the Kings remains to be seen. Other then Couture nobody else from that draft has really done much in the NHL. Voracek is doing ok but I don’t know if that would be the same if he were playing for us plus he was traded. Just wait until our drafted players start coming in. Toffoli, Kitsyn, Kozun, Weal, etc. Loktionov is going to be really good soon.
vinny Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 7:04 am
@Jeff_R,
great post, cant wait to see some of those kids come up. id really like to get a look at vey right about now too…
crashin'da net Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
@DEH, ++
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Steevogt Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
@Jeff, I thought Sutter was supposed to hold EVERYONE accountable? Not just Penner. Why doesn’t he sit some more players?
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Jeff Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
@Steevogt, Beats the heck out of me. Most of these guys should be sitting. They’re pathetic.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
@Jeff, Since nobody is scoring out of our forwards I guess we would have to forfeit since they will all be sitting.
DEH Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
@Steevogt, well nobody would be playing if he held everyone accountable.
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WTF Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
@Steevogt, Kopitar should watch the next 10 games form the gym trying to learn how to be an athlete
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SEALS 70-76 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
@Jeff, TRADE EVERYONE!!! FIRE EVERYONE!!! Kings fans kill me. A little adversity and you turn on your team. You guys are the real losers!
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Dazed N Confused Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:20 am
@SEALS 70-76,
You make it sound like we have won a cup and made it to many cup finals. i have been a kings fan for over 25 years and since 96/97 we have been rebuilding. Now we are supposed to be a solid team. We have a great D group, our goalie is fantastic, and we have brought some goal scores in. These players are not doing the job plain and simple. So I believe I have the right to be pissed off at a team that is underachieving year after year. I am not turning on this team but I am not going to continue to watch a team that cannot score.
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5th Line Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:41 am
@Dazed N Confused, I wish they would stop playing the commercial “This is the team we’ve been waiting for” This is not what I have been waiting for…this is what I have been waiting THROUGH…..
King Alex Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:13 am
@SEALS 70-76, It’s been 45 years bro! You should learn to accept others views & perspectives without insulting people. Every fan has the right to show their displeasure with the debacle that is this years team.
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JD Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:03 am
@Jeff, When DL started, the whole organization was a mess, overall he’s done a pretty good job of raising the talent level throughout the organization, that being said, it probably is time to bring in a new gm, we now seem to be going backwards. You have to wonder though where we’ d be if he didn’t let TM run so many of our more talented, less physical players away. One area dean did not do as well, was in head coaches, Marc Crawford, then Terry Murray, and then with all these smart young coaches out there, he brings in the ultimate retread in Darryl Sutter, just not good choices
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Alex Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@JD, Absolutely agree. We should of looked at the young more energetic coach with new and fresh approach.
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Jimbo Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:57 am
@Jeff, O hey guys look like I really missed a lot, didn’t miss anything and I’m the one who gets antagonized for badmouthing team. Hope everyone had fun!
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Scott3343 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:38 am
@Jeff, doesnt seem like anyone can make a contender out of SJ
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the hockey don Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:42 am
@Jeff, Sutter reminds me of Beaker from the muppets…just saying.
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Tommie Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:57 am
@the hockey don, And Kompon is the Eagle. We may not get good hockey, but at least we have another Muppet Show.
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Danny of Pasadena Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:10 am
@Jeff, dude…Sutter was the toilet paper for wiping the bottom of Murray. The kings are raising their prices to pay for better players. I said tippet would be a better choice…nobody listened. This season is in the regriverator…the eggs are coolin. the jellos jigglein. And the butters gettin hard…
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Alex Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@Danny of Pasadena, Agree. We are not going to make playoffs and I hope everybody in the management will look around and make notes of this season that should of been….well let’s not go there. DL is not that bad but he does need to bring some players, not just one ( Nash ) because we still going to have only one scoring line and that’s not going to help. We need help in all three lines. And I am for one not going to bash Panner. I think the guy will find his game if you put him in the wright situation.
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I know now why sutter likes scoreboard watching – looking at a 0 gets boring.
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Jimbo Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:02 am
@colo king fan, Adios Lombardi you suck!!!!
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Sutter didn’t address if he still thinks Penner is playing like Horse (crap). I’m curious what his thought process was to have Penner out there with 2 minutes left in a game where you playoff spot was on the line.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
@Luke M., Who else exactly would you put out there? Nobody is scoring. Penner has scored before why not put him out there. You put your top players out at the end, Penner is one of them.
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Alex Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@Jeff_R, Penner should be playing with Kopi and Williams. Brown should be with Clifford and Lokti. Or maybe we can get a bigger and more grittier center for that line. One thing I do not understand, Phily made it clear that they r willing to trade VanRiemsdyk for a Defensive help. Why are we not doing anything about it. JJ and another player will do the trick and than you can go and get Carter with RJ Umberger from Columbus for Bernier, Martinez, Hickey ++++. Tis way you will help yourself everywhere. Just a thought
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Na, naa, naaaaa, na
Na, naa, naaaaa, na
Hey, haaaaaa aay
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Pesus Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
@39scars,
Goodbye……..When will we sing that at staples?
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RLane420 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
@Pesus, That is what they are singing at Staples. Goodbye to there playoff spot.
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I think Sutter knows the Kings team he’ll be coaching in Phoenix will have some different faces on it.
Tonight was the last straw…
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jeffreyryan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
@Shane, You better be right. Really.
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Steve W Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
@Shane, It will have to happen on Tuesday. I’m not sure if trades can be made on Sundays and holidays.
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Shane Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
@Steve W, – so it will be a few less faces we’re used to seeing in a King’s jersey on Tuesday in Phoenix. Might be we’ll have a few more call-ups for a game that will be more about shaking the mind-set we’re locked in to than winning.
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RLane420 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
@Shane, Really? Who is the next Penner DL is going to bring in?
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The Puck Stops Here Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:50 am
@RLane420, Carter?
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“We’ve stuck with the Kopi, Brownie and Willy line.”
Could have said “We’re stuck with Kopi, Brownie and Willie “
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bmova Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
@JackKent Cooke, Brown should go to the right side with MR. Put the rookies on each of the LW. Get Lokti off that third line and put Richardson, Clifford and Lewis together.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
@bmova, You think Lokti is the problem? Now I seen every thing.
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zulov Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:50 am
@Jeff_R, The Loktionov hate is really mental. He is by far our best forward in these last few games, and he gets league minimum, while Donuts and the gang are rolling in money.
He has Clifford and Lewis on his wings. Nuff said.
vinny Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 7:13 am
@Jeff_R,
lol no kidding, love watching him play
WTF Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
@JackKent Cooke, Brown is a 3rd line player, Willie, 2nd. Kopitar, until he learns to work hard, bench.
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OC Kings Fan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:36 am
@WTF, Exactly. Brown doesn’t belong anywhere close to the 1st or 2nd line. Kopi at this point looks like a 2nd line center and Richards our 1st.
I would love to see Brown traded for even picks at this point.
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Gross Misconduct Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 7:52 am
@OC Kings Fan, i agree…..Kopitar,JJ,Bernier + pick for Nash,Carter…..do it Deano…pull the friggin trigger! ( + Penner )
Jim Martin Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:41 am
@OC Kings Fan, When will the Kings realize that Kopitar is not a first line center. He does not like the physical part of the game. He admited that to Dustin Brown a few years back. He is more suited to the large European rinks and sytle of hockey. You know its time to move a player when a goalie knocks him on his butt. How many times has Kopitar dropped his gloves or for that matter crash the net. He is overrated and when the Kings realize that, the whole team will improve. Just move Richards up to the first line to center it with Williams and Nolan on the wings.
KingInVegas Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@JackKent Cooke, Wasn’t it last year’s play-off when we had Clifford/Richardson/Simmonds line was just tearing it up? Exactly!!!! I agree, put Clifford and Richardson together again with one of the centers. There’s no chemistry with most of the line combinations. Kings attacks are sooo mundane and predictable.
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Well, there’s always next year…or some other time.
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Bad choice to put DS as head coach.Mr DL is responsible for it.Players not responding.
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I love how the armchair GMs think that if you trade 4 crappy players somehow that equals one superstar. If the Kings don’t want certain players anymore, why would another team want them? You have to give up somebody to get somebody. You can’t just keep adding stinky player after stinky player and assume that somehow that increases the trade value.
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colo king fan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
@Steevogt,
Because a team like columbus wants expiring contracts and cap space. They know they aren’t winning, so why waste money paying Nash 7.8M? Send em a future goalie and a roster player with a good contract plus some picks or prospects that they can have cheap for the time being and relieve them of a big financial burden that – through no fault of his own – isn’t bringing them any more wins.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:00 am
@Steevogt, According to everybody who ever leaves the Kings become awesome players on there new team. So why not get all of our crappy players.
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Honestly, I think he is full of crap!!! talk a lot and say nothing.
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Steevogt Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
@jack, That’s what ALL players and coaches do in every single professional sports league. They just babble cliche after cliche. I don’t know why anyone even interviews pro sports people anyway, it’s a waste of time and doesn’t tell you anything.
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jack Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
@Steevogt, agreed!
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Pesus Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
@Steevogt,
+1
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Poorman Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
@Pesus, The problem is the beat writers have to kiss their butts in order to have access to them.
Get ready, here comes the TM solution – Line juggling.
By the way, our offense is actually very consistent – consistently bad.
Once again, no PP goals = a loss.
We had more PP opportunities than our opponent and thanks to JK’s wnderful coachinv, we failed to capitalize on that advantage.
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g smith86 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
@DesertKing, line juggling is better than cat juggling…that is just sickening
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DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
@g smith86,
You must ne wearing some Cruel Shoes from a wild and crazy guy!
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Mars Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
@DesertKing, in practice, try dropping two D’s and use 5 O’s for the PP.
Wait, no, go 5 D’s on the PP. They have a better chance.
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@Mars, And then Kompon can tell DD and JJ to fake shots. No, don’t fake, you pretend to fake. You think about faking. And the shoot.
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I heard a rumor we are looking at a trade for Kobe…
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colo king fan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
@Cortex949,
aren’t the lakers just as offensively challenged as the kings these days? hell the only team in staples that does score is the clips.. god how sad is that..
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crashin'da net Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
@Cortex949, the city?
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Kingsfanone Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
@crashin’da net,
The beef.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
@Kingsfanone, Hey!! that’s what I was gonna say,you guys make a bad Kings team bearable.
DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
@Kingsfanone,
Where’s the…..
PASSIONLESS. PRIDELESS. POWER(play)LESS.
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g smith86 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
@fvkingsfan, “The time was now”
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zulov Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:54 am
@g smith86, The time is now…. to become sellers
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
@fvkingsfan, You beat me to it, I was thinking the same thing when I was reading the earlier posts. ” the pieces have never been in place,the time is NOT now”.
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Duncanz Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:26 am
@LVKINGS88, Lol, you seem to have good reaction time … can you skate by any chance … ?
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Can anyone translate “bear down on the opportunities”? is that how he coaches? I wonder if his last advice before they hit the ice is: Score when you have a chance,,,bear down on it…He says we dont get a lot of opportunites…well, cant he coach them into some????
How will get chances if the puck movement sucks, the direction sucks…When will he have an impact on how the players position themselves??? if this is best these coaches can do with pro hicley players, sorry…that is sad!!!
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Shane Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
@jack, remember – Sutter isn’t an offensive minded coach. Like people who think that those in life who are rich got so because they were “lucky”, Sutter apparently thinks scoring opportunities are doled out by the NHL office. No matter what you do, everyone gets “opportunities” and then it’s just about bearing down on them.
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jack Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
@Shane, Thats funny!! maybe Dean can date someone at the NHL office…
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You can’t milk the cow if their milk is dried out. Am I wrong?
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crashin'da net Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
@goldielocks, and you can’t pull the feathers off of a winter cabbage (?)
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DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
@crashin’da net,
anx you cant score a goal in a Kings uniform.
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SLIM Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
@DesertKing,
And…You don’t mess around with…Jim…
DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
@Slim
I thought it was Slim (at the beginning of the song)
Kings x Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 4:26 am
@goldielocks, You can milk a cat though
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Miller29 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 6:02 am
@goldielocks, if you plant wheat, you can’t get corn. DL built a team out of a mediocre core, players past their prime due to injuries, or cost-effective players who aren’t talented. He’s a cheap skate and it shows on the ice. Penned is known for his laziness, yet he ignores that and over pays hoping for a miracle. Gagne, with all his medical issues from hernia to concussion is another crap shoot that didn’t pay off, and giving DD nearly 8 million after showing a downward spiral is just poor mismanagement of funds. We are nearly at the cap and this is what we have to show for it??? Looks like it’s another year in paradise.
To add another depressing note, my 7year old asked me after the game if it was alright with me if he watches some Pittsburg and Detroit games as well as LA His competitive nature gets him angry and stressed after watching the Kings play their typical game (something the kings players probably don’t even do as they are getting the phat paycheck, partying, and enjoying the weather and the beach). By the way, I said it was alright to do that.
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Look for DL to trade Nolan and King and for them to turn into the new Sedins
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It’s official, the KINGS ARE OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS! Nice team you’ve assembled Lombardi. What do you do for an encore? Make a deadline deal trade with Edmonton and get robbed…again?
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jack Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
@Steevogt, he reminds of that commercial for cable TV…the guys gladly give away money and crap to the thieves…
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rabidhockeyfan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
@jack, And raise season ticket prices, because we are SOOOOOO good!
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Mars Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
@jack, DL must be related to Grey Davis.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
@Steevogt, Who cares where you are on 2/18 all that matters is where you are on 4/7.
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linny Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:15 am
@Jeff_R, really? Ask the fans in columbus or Detroit if it matters to them. Columbus season is over now n Detroit is sitting pretty. For all the expectations (for most fans), slogans (pride, passion…), etc…, where the kings are now…matters. More than that, it’s HOW they’re losing that also matters right now
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:10 am
@linny, Let’s say on 4/7 the season ends with the Kings winning the Pacific and finishing in 3rd place in the conference. Would you be sulking about our offensive woes then? As for Columbus they have no hope for the playoffs and Detroit on 4/7 may not be in 1st place. Look at Chicago a few weeks ago they were in first and then they lost 9 in a row. You never know what might happen. The Kings could go on a 10 game winning streak. You don’t know.
linny Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
@Jeff_R, 1st…I’m not sulking. I stated early in the year that this team is nothing special n that the best they could do is sneak into the playoffs for a 1st round defeat. IMO Lombardi has destroyed this team. U keep defending the Guy. We don’t have the players right now n we’re capped out. What was his answer for the playoff push? Bring up two unproven kids? Please…he did that because we have no cap space n he was desperate.. using ur logic if he puts out ALL minor leaguers it would be on them. Its ok…just rebuild again..I’m ok with that…we’re not going anywhere with this team.
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as quoted by @dennistfp on twitter “When team gets skunked back to back games at home by team below them, there is no ‘best line’ for Kings.” Yep, sums it up..
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And they are raising season ticket prices next year because ? I have not had a raise in six years and the organizaton thinks they deserve one ?
Put on a better team and we will all gladly pay more.
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Mark Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:06 am
corporate sales
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Blah Blah Blah!!! Sick and tired of this crap! And on top of it, they thank the loyal season ticket holders with a wonderful Valentine’s Day gift. Massive increase in prices! A few words come to mind, but I can’t use them here! I really hate this team at the moment!
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Dont worry about Quicks mental state, worry about which state he will be playing in next year,NY,NJ
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Mars Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
@mark manila, He can pick a team, anyone would give up the farm for him.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
@mark manila, Why would Quick leave? He has it good here. Not to mention he is a Hart Trophy candidate thanks to the Kings inability to score. There is no doubt in my mind that Quick will be a Kings goalie for a long time. Plus the Kings will never be this bad offensively ever.
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I hope Kings management does not let Lombardi make any more trades. He’s had his chance. Keep the team intact, and make DL sink or swim. The next GM can deal with the pieces. That being said, I hope DS sees that sitting Quick a game is worth a shot.
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Mars Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
@Poorman, I hope AEG drives in with a white van tonight.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
@Poorman,
I was with you all the way until the last sentence
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:09 am
@DesertKing, Really DK, maybe Poorman can change his moniker to,Poor(sight)man,Poor(observant)man or Poor(it’s getting old blaming Quick for the loss)man,sheez.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
@Poorman, What trades exactly have been bad that DL has made? Before you say Penner that was a good trade. Nobody in there right mind would of ever thought he would have only 5 goals this season.
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Poorman Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:00 am
@Jeff_R, RIP Moulson, Boyle, Cammilieri, Simmonds, Purcell, Schenn. Smyth. Gifted Offensive players are dealt in Favor of the “Team Grinder” mentality.
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Kings x Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 4:27 am
@Poorman, Don’t forget Gretzky
RLane420 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:28 am
@Jeff_R, Read what Oilers coaches have said in the past about Penner it is not a suprise he is an under achiver, it was known. How about Purcell for who was it Halpern. How bout Smyth for Fraser, ya I know Smyth wanted out doesnt mean you have to oblige. See also Shenn and Simmonds for Richards. I like Richards but how is it looking now. Simmonds has more goals than any King. How about the Cammalleri trade. How about just letting Moulson go? This is DL offence. He did a great job building the D and goaltending but you still need some kind of offence. He built the backend with no regard to an offence. He believed this was the team that was going to get into the playoffs and do damage. Now they are saying IF we make the playoffs anything can happen. Sorry but this isnt where we were supposed to be after 5 years. Time to bring in the GM to finish the process.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:20 am
@RLane420, WHat do you mean not oblige Smyth of a trade. The guy asked to be traded. How do you think it would of been in the locker room this season if Smyth had stayed? As for Richards we haven’t seen him at his best this season, except for the one month strecth in November. He is though playing much better now. Schenn and Simmonds are doing well offensively, do you really think they would be doing that well here? Plus it isn’t like they are rocking it defensively. I am ecstatic that Cammy is gone. Since he signed his 6 million dollar deal (which he doesn’t deserve AT ALL) he has 26 goals and 50 pts his first year, 19 goals and 47 pts and 14 goals and 29 pts so far this season. You really think that deserves 6 million? As far as Moulson goes how do you know how he would have done if he were still a King. He is playing with one of the best young forwards in Tavares on a horrible team. Purcell is another one that is doing well but playing with world class players and the team is awful this year. As for Penner it was Craig Mctavish that said that, then he was fired and Penner went and scored 32 goals the next season. He had 23 last season. There was no way in knowing he would have 5 goals this season. Regardless of what was said about him, he still was scoring 20+ goals. It is not Dean’s fault that kevin lowe signed him to a 4 million dollar 5 yr deal. As for offense. You know how hard Dean has it in building an offense here. He has the ball against him as no UFA will sign here. Drafting is a tough thing as you don’t want to rush these young kids, plus when we had top 5 picks we were horrible defensively, so he chose to do defense over offense. Knowing that once our young core was ready to take it to the next level he can parlay that defensive draft choices for an elite offensive guy, along with other assets. He drafted Voynov who is capable of taking JJ’s place, so that JJ can be used to bring us a top Winger. We have a great young backup goalie who can also go for said Winger. That is how you build a team. Plus we have our young offensive guys ready to come in next season (Toffoli,Kozun, Weal, Vey, Kitsyn)….2 of those guys could come in (we also have Holloway and Moller) and play on our 3rd line with Loktionov. In the 4th year of our rebuild we are real close to getting over the hump and being a top team that contends year in and year out. To get to the same level as SJ, Detroit, Vancouver. This trade deadline is going to be a key cog in getting to that point. Hopefully we will end up acquiring Nash and possibly Carter.
Hey! I hear the team is getting together after the game to pull another all-nighter on the beach. I heard last night’s was sick!!!! Anyone wanna go?
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TiredOfIt Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:05 am
@crashin’da net, Thats ALWAYS been the problem with this team since salaries skyrocketed….TOO MUCH BEACH…period…no focus…mediocrity is accepted
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No idea how much I’d miss Zues, Smyth, and Simmer. Even though I am still for the Richards trade, Holmgren is smart.
Trade Bernier, Brown, Penner and pick for Nash if they will take it. Give Mike Richards the C.
This team desperately needs a trade. Do it.
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Jimmyo777 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 7:44 am
@DBking, Agree 110% Get rid of Brown as he’s useless and only a 3rd or 4th line player.. Definitely need a change with the “C” ..Richie has the experience as he’s been the Captain on every team he’s played for….Can you hear me Dean & Daryl ??????
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King Cobra Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:18 am
@DBking, Sounds good to me.
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@mark manila,
I believe he will play in California next year since he still has 1 year left on his current contract.
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crashin'da net Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
@DesertKing, How did those new $80 skates work out for ya??
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DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
@crashin’da net,
Really nice, thanks! I haven’t fallen one with them. Of course since i dont skate very fast (or well) either
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crashin'da net Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
@DesertKing, Good you are now our 1st line LW. Your bus to PHO leaves in 4 hours.
DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
@crashindanet
I will be great at crashing the net since I don’t know how to stop
Did Willie Mitchell get his jock back?
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summitwalker Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 7:49 am
@JackKentCooke,
Thanks, I literally just spit coffee everywhere!
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i was watching the SUTTER interview and when asked about what would it take for the team to be more consistent offensively, to me it seemed that his mind just went blank. he did not really know how to answear that right away. took it a while to respond to that question
go kings go
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JackKentCooke Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
@gmo, maybe because if the Kings aren’t anything else, they are consistent.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
@gmo, Don’t you think if he knew what to do he would of already done it? Had DS came in here with a brand new system and style of play I believe it would of been a lot worse then it is now.
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I hope Tim Liewike gets rid of Dean Lombardi sooner rather than later. He doesn’t deserve the opportunity to try and improve this team. He missed his opportunity to do so when he fired Terry Murray, instead he hired a Terry Murray clone to keep with his defense first mentality. That type of play went out of style with all the clutching and grabbing after the lockout. Unfortunatly our GM has failed to recognice this, and it will more than likely end up costing him his job.
P.S. I feel so sorry for Quick. I would go postal if I were in his position and had to deal with this pathetic display of offense.
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gmo Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
@CB14,
i second your motion to let go of DL
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flex Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
@CB14, i feel sorry for the whole infected team. Tm virus is too strong.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
@CB14, If you llok at DS’s last full season with the Sharks, during the clutch and grabbing era, he and DL had the 4th best offense in the NHL that year. I think he knows how to coach offense and DL can bring in a good offense. This whole defense first mantra has been beaten to death and is not the reason why we can’t score. Next season when DS has a chance to have a full training camp he will be able to bring in a new system and style of play. He didn’t want to change it up now, as he came in too late for that and thought it best to keep it the same as TM. So that is why it appears to be the same with DS as with TM.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
@Jeff_R, It appears DS should rethink his strategy of waiting till next year to change things then, cause at this rate he and DL won’t make it to next year to change things.
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CB14 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:10 am
@Jeff_R, “during the clutch and grabbing era” exactly my point, that was pre-lockout. I don’t think their style of play fits in the new NHL. I also don’t see Sutter and Lombardi being around next year. The heat was on Lombardi to show improvements this year after AEG shelled out some big time financial commitments this off-season, I believe Leiwike said they took on more guaranteed money in contracts this off-season than they paid for the team. Lombardi’s had 6 years to turn this team into a Stanley Cup contender, they’re not one at this point. Even if they land Nash I don’t think they will be one, that’s why I think they should send Lombardi packing.
I know there has been alot of discussion about trading for Nash, and I know we’re on opposite sides of that discussion, but do you believe that if the Kings traded for Nash that they would then become legitimate Stanley Cup contenders? I just don’t see one man having the kind of an impact on a team that this team needs.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:38 am
@CB14, This team as is is almost there. They don’t need to score a lot to win. 2-3 goals a game is all. All Quick is giving up is 1 goal a game pretty much. I do believe that Nash is the type of player that can change things around in a hurry. The way Nash plays the game is what we need. Going to the dangerous scoring areas, crashing the net. That is what we need and what our players now don’t do. Even in the clutch and grab era that SJ team finished with over 3 goals per game. We have that now we would be 1st in the west even better then Detroit. I also think that we will make the playoffs. I believe what ever moves Dean makes by the 27th will help us to start scoring again and once we do I believe we will challenge San Jose for the division title. I am hoping it is Nash. I also would like Nash and Carter. I think we have gone as far as we can with Kopi and a change of scenery will really help him. I don’t see him progressing any further as a King.
Duncanz Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:10 am
@Jeff_R, Jeff, I would like to think that if Hitch, then Boudreau, and lately Muller could come in mid-season and revamp at least the attitude, then it must be possible it can be done here.
After all, we started off the season better than all of those clubs!
Do we really have to settle for seeing no significant change until after training camp ’12/13?!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:40 am
@Duncanz, Just because DS doesn’t change to his style of play and all now, doesn’t mean we can’t succeed. I think after the trade deadline things will be different, in terms of us scoring. Next season will truly be different. I feel we will make the playoffs and win a round at least and next season with the moves DL makes and having DS starting in training camp it will be a lot different.
King Alex Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:51 am
@Jeff_R, DS does not create the “system”. DL does and we play the same system in Manchester. DL is the architect And what he built is a house of cards and it has collapsed. DL will never GM a team to a Stanley Cup ever!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:38 am
@King Alex, Uhh excuse me the GM’s job is to bring in the players. A coaches job is to create a system that will help the players he has be successful. The system we play should allow us to be successful but for whatever reason this season it hasn’t worked. Now that the trade deadline is coming it is DL’s job to bring in 1-3 new players to help the team to score. The way this team is built is a good way. We are just missing 1-2 Wingers to help with scoring. Our defense and Quick are lights out. Now just need to start scoring a little and then we will win a lot more then we lose.
RLane420 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:36 am
@CB14, The Kings are selling out games. This is what AEG cares about. I wouldnt be the least suprised to see DL keep his job untill this changes.Sad but true.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:41 am
@RLane420, I hope DL stays and gets to finish what he started. We have had the best 3 season stretch this franchise has ever had and that is because of DL. The fact that we aren’t scoring is not all DL’s fault. The players we have should be scoring, as they have done it in the past. Penner and Stoll having horrible seasons doesn’t help and it is shocking as they are both in a contract year, a time where most players have very good season. I don’t know why they aren’t. It isn’t the system or coaching.
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vinny Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 7:37 am
@Jeff_R,
good to see you sticking up for the team so much!!
neil Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am
@Jeff_R, DL has said that its his system and he wants it played in the minors also….
Jeff_R Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:16 am
@Neil, The coach brings in the system and then it is translated on down to the Monarchs so that when players come up they will have an easier time of grasping the system. Why do you think Kings and Nolan have made such an easy transition since coming up, because they know the system and have been playing all season. It is a system that will be changed by DS next season, provided DL and DS are still here. I hope they are because I believe DS can turn things around, just needs the off season/training camp to do it. All this talk about bringing someone new in (instead of DS) and totally changing things/different system mid season would of been too hard for the players to grasp and it would of made things worse. The fact is for the first month in a half DS was successful in getting these guys to work and they did score enough to win. I don’t know why they are suddenly back on to the non-scoring again.
Kings x Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 4:29 am
@CB14, Fire up the lynch mob, torches and all
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Blow it up!
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crashin'da net Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
@Seth,
Break it down again
No more sleepy dreaming
No more building-up
It is time to dissolve
(Tears for Fears)
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Duncanz Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
@crashin’da net,
I can’t understand you
Is this the start of the breakdown?
I can’t understand you
Is this the start of the breakdown?
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As of this moment I am now boycotting the LA Kings until they do one of the following
1) Fire someone, idc who, they are all responsible
2) Score more than 2 goals a game for an extended period AND stop playing the horrible dump and chase system
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
@Paul G, Other then Lewis and some of the defenseman who exactly dumps and chases?
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the mayans were right….
the kings are free falling..
the ducks are climbing.
if the quacks finish ahead of the kings again this yr…then it is for real!!!!!
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So glad i missed today’s game. All one would need to do is post this score for every game and change the winning team to who ever the kings are play. Let the free fall begin… Drum roll……. GO QUEENS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cmon Darryl…just say it…we all know it…this team SUCKS!!!
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crashin'da net Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
@Hat trick, My name is Luc Robitaille and I approve this message.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
@crashin’da net, LOLOLOL
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Kings x Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 4:31 am
@crashin’da net, vote for Lubo, here have a cookie
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Has anyone on the Kings ever watched Detroit score a goal? Zetterberg is able to score because Holmgren blocks the goalie’s sightlines. It is not that difficult a concept to understand a goalie can’t save what he can’t see.
Tonight, the Kings left Kiprusoff alone and shot 27 pucks straight at him. The only guys who were remotely close to Kiprusoff’s face were the two slow fat guys they brought in from Manchester a week or so ago. Everyone else just stayed away.
Couldn’t we just once get a penalty for goalie interference?
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the day we fired andy murray on nhl network craig button said dean lombradi should take the responibility he built this team with not many good scorers. The reason he said they cant score is becasue dont have any real scorers. guess has a point now. also said DL basically is overated
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
@Mark, I’m sorry but Button is an (can’t say the word or else I will be banned). He talks like he knows everything but he doesn’t know anything, at least when it comes to the Kings.
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sorry i meant terry murray
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Duncanz Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
@Mark, Thank god, for a moment there I thought I’d been wasting my last 10 years!
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Just so everyone knows this isn’t a bad team skill wise. Sutter doesn’t need to go, Dean doesn’t need to go. Fact is, the Kings are trying to play an opportunistic game without being opportunistic. If the power play was still working we would have won a lot more in the last week and a half. The fact that the players themselves don’t realize this and put a major emphasis on a multi-dimensional PP shows a lack of awareness, will to win and preparation. All of the three are bad habits that were picked up while under the coaching of Murray.
A lot of plays are forced by the defensemen to the forwards for one. This causes a lot of turn overs at the blue line. The Flames forcheck attacked our defensemen and instead of being patient and skating it up to the forwards, the defensemen skated deeper into the zone and relied on the boards to get the puck up. Which means forwards are digging pucks out all game making them tired and taking the rhythm away from the game. The forwards need to come down low to support yes, but nowadays the defensemen also need to skate the puck up to support their forwards. The way they play it looks as if they haven’t identified it as a problem.
Murray had a terrible sense of awareness in a game and the players are doing the same. I think Sutter has been out of it for too long to see what the problems are in this days game. Is it coincidence that the best line has been a line of players not coached by Murray? Even Loktionov looks like he gets it. It just doesn’t seem that the players are aware of their mistakes when they make them. The little things have to be executed well to win. When I see Williams, Kopitar and Scuderi three vets forcing 5 foot passes it means they’re cheating. They’re looking for other ways to win. Some self-awareness on the ice would go a long way.
Also if people missed out, Brown had a pretty solid game. Fans must remember he’s a classic Power Forward; takes the body, screens the goalie, good in corners, quick to rebounds, drives the net. Not a player who is going to have the puck on his stick a lot especially playing with Williams and Kopitar. His play is directly influenced by how his line mates play. Same with Nolan, he’s most noticeable when his line mates are noticeable. While I don’t like Brown’s answers, you trade him and I guarantee this team will be hitting a whole lot less.
I know he isn’t the guy to call people out publicly, but I think it’s getting to the point where Brown will do that and I highly advise it. Players need to be called out, not on their work effort, or for not going to the net or not playing with the team. Justin Williams need to be called out for not playing like Justin Williams, Kopitar needs to be called out for not looking like Kopitar. It’s called adversity, you can throw a lot of techniques at it, or you can throw your heart at it. It will take a lot more than video, or on ice practice or off ice workouts.
Self-awareness. Williams needs to stop going out and looking for Williams, he needs to ask himself who Williams is.
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gmo Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
@kings king,
i admire your optimism
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TiredOfIt Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
@kings king, There is NO way anyone on this team will EVER call anybody out…public or not…Watched this team for over 40…it has NEVER happened…sorry
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Horsepucky….How does DS keep the two lame assistant coaches on this team? Doesn’t he have ANY friends he can bring in? In all of his years? What a joke. The PP blows…change something
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DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
@TiredOfIt,
Stevens coaches the defense which has bedn awesome. We need to keep him.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
@TiredOfIt, Stevens and Ranford stays. Sutter didn’t want to rock the boat when he came in and wanted to keep things status quo. If he is our coach next season you will see new assistants and a new/different system and style of play. He didn’t want to do it in the middle of the season. By new assistants I mean no Kompon. Stevens and Ranford can stay. Maybe he will have Bernie full time.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:20 am
@TiredOfIt, This is a problem at any work place; people getting hired due to knowing or being friends with the applicant rather then connecting the dots and looking for REAL TALENT.
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Penner was horrible and LAZY tonight! I hope that I never see him wearing a King’s uniform again! He absolutely sucked!
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DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
@rabidhockeyfan,
He did hit somebody – on accident.
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pr0cess Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
@rabidhockeyfan, Fro was lazy at times ive never seen someone as crappie as penner…
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Harry Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
@rabidhockeyfan,
Actually, the 4th line had better shifts than 1st line
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
@rabidhockeyfan, Actually other then Richards I think Penner came the closest to scoring. That should absolve him of everything else that he did badly.
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Kings x Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 4:33 am
@Jeff_R, Skate razor save
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gmo Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
@rabidhockeyfan,
penner?noooooooooooooooooooooooo. i find that hard to believe
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zulov Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 2:17 am
@gmo, Its true. Penner did come close to scoring. Thats one of the problems with the Kings – they can be accused of working too hard. Penner is a smarter player, but on this system he just looks lazy. He is out of sync in our system. Thats why its 5 goals. Thats why he is out of position.
The Kings are built to emphasize hussle and responsible defensive play – and thats exactly what you have.
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Can we trade Loafitar? Every year, same slow, weak player. Stamkos was told he was slow and weak, so we worked with Gary Roberts each off season and is not the top goal scorer, WTF will it take for these lazy slow sacks of Sugar Honey Ice Tea to get the F in shape!!!!
I am coming off a knee injury and busted my ass to be able to play again. When I did, I realized I still needed to work harder, now I am better then I ever was and lead 2 leagues in scoring. I have a full time job and other hobbies, so what are these slow lazy ass professional player’s excuse?
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jack Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
@WTF, wrong…they need more off ice practices reading books in LA County Library and days off…thats will cure everything.
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Ryan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 4:34 am
@WTF,
you lead two leagues in scoring? useless information. 99.9% of people in California cannot tie up a pair of skates. I busted my knee also and broke my leg… This teams problem is not loalitar or training….. it is the General Manager. plain and simple
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its a fiasco…Its like watching an incompetent crew sink themselves in a boat…
A lot of what KingsKing said above is true, but they players need leadership and direction and specific coaching tips that help….I just do not sense any guidance from anyone anywhere.
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kings king Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
@jack, The organization is behind what I would call the “trends” in today’s NHL. This team has the personnel to win now, but the coaching standards are from 2 years ago. Ask Ovechkin, things from 2 years ago aren’t going to do it all now.
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Please…please…please…
Learn how to spell a player’s name correctly before you post.
Learn the rules of the game before you post.
Thank you.
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It’s official. the hockey gods hate Los Angeles Ducks on a tear Kings up (a certain) creek with no paddle… WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN US?!
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lvkingaholic Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:29 am
@OC King, cursed i tell ya……… cursed
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I was at the game. We had our chances, but didnt finish.
Some lady sitting behind us was a BIG penner fan. She wasn’t happy with me after all my yelling.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:15 am
@Lake Forest, Truth hurts
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Hat trick Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:22 am
@Lake Forest, She was probably wondering the whole time why two lines are blue and one is red.
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Can someone explain too me how a gm goes about getting fired? Who does it? What makes it happen? I mean I think its pretty safe to say DL doesnt read these boards. I just dont get how its guna happen
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CB14 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:19 am
@jeffreyryan, It’s done by either the President of the team or the owner. Since our owner isn’t involved with the team in any way, shape, or form, it would be on Tim Liewike to decide whether or not to fire Lombardi. It’s gonna happen once Tim Liewike sees how many of his season ticket holders aren’t renewing their seats for next season because they don’t want to spend even MORE of their hard earned money on this pathetic display of a product they call the Los Angeles Kings.
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gmo Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:27 am
@CB14,
i think every season ticket holder should send a personal email or letter to liewike stating that they would not renew their tickets unless the whole team philosophy,ideology,vision and style of play changes. meaning letting go of dl for a new direction. seeing all those letters/emails would make him realize how much money the team could potentially lose and act upon it
go kings go
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:29 am
@CB14, A big reason why we aren’t renewing our season seats has little to do with what is happening on the ice. We Season Ticket holders have been loyal through thick and thin. We would stay loyal except now the Kings have raised a lot of the tickets upwards of 50%. That is the reason people aren’t renewing. Trying to get Dean fired over something that doesn’t need a lot of changes is wrong. This team just need to make 1-3 trades at the deadline, bring in 1-2 Wingers who can score like a Nash and things would change. This team the way it plays defensively and with Quick, doesn’t need to score a lot to win. Plus when it comes to playoffs scoring becomes even more so a premium and the Kings will be well versed in playoff hockey, as they have pretty much played it all year. Other teams will have a little harder time adjusting to the vast difference of playoff hockey.
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One final thought for the night. What home game should we start wearing the bags over our heads at? This is a freaking disgrace!….Good night
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ill say next one
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Why were the players sitting on the bench after the game? the sound was turned off at the bar I was at.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:24 am
@LVKINGS88, waiting for fans to come down and get the warm up jerseys they auctioned off. the players were going to give them out personally
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:33 am
@TiredOfIt, Oh, thanks TOI, I thought maybe DS was going to make them skate again,LOL. They looked like they had just lost game 7 in the 3rd OT, really PATHETIC. Funny thing is I have never used the word pathetic more than when descrbing this team, this year.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:56 am
@LVKINGS88, Someone else thought DS was going to pull a miracle on ice line to line skate on them. pathetic is a good word lately
wavesinair Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 7:57 am
@LVKINGS88,
Every time that happens I wonder the same thing and every time I forget about the jerseys/legend night.
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We’re all pissed. We played a pretty solid game tonight. Kipper was on crack with some of those saves! What are you going to do?
I can tell you two things that this team KNOWS is wrong with itself but HASN’T changed:
#1 – Neutral zone play. ESPECIALLY breakouts in their own zone. How many times do we see forwards start to come out, then pull back and cycle in their own zone? Or D-men passing the puck back and forth, slowly moving backwards? TOO DAMN MUCH! This allows teams to regroup and even collect their forecheck to put even more pressure to leave your own zone. Many times, this is where we give up pucks. If we do get it out, at least one forward is going th ewrong way because they feel they have to come back to help, which leaves us short handed on the rush. NEUTRAL ZONE PLAY MUST BE NORTH/SOUTH AT ALL COSTS!!! If we lose the puck in the neutral, most times we’ll get it back. Your D-men are already in their own zone.
The only line that did NOT have this problem was King-Richards-Nolan. Imagine that. The line who has played the least amount of games in this defensive system has the best movement in the neutral zone, then the coach says they’ve been the best line on the ice! SO WHY DON’T WE LEARN FROM THE VIDEO OF WATCHING THEIR NORTH/SOUTH NEUTRAL ZONE MOVEMENT!?!? I’m beginning to question the video we’re watching.
#2 – O-Zone positioning: Plain and simple, guys are not in the slot. Our O-Zone time has all been about outside perimiter, cycle, low to high, shot with traffic (Except the traffic has nt been there, another problem). How was the winning goal scored tonight? Kosty sends a blind pass to the middle to Cammi who was where? IN THE SLOT! Kosty didn’t have to look because he KNEW someone would be there. F3 (Cammi) saw the play develop and immediately went to the net in the slot. Score. Why? Because he was in the right position.
Anyone remember Richards throwing that centering pass through the middle and nobody was there? Wonder why? Because the O-Game we’re playing the forwards are taught to play the boards to cycle and get pucks low to high for shots. The F3′s first move isn’t to the slot, but to the boards, expecting the pass around to continue the cycle.
THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND MOST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE!!!
It’s also a main reason why we’re the lowest scoring team in the league. On most other teams, the cycle is SECONDARY to working the slot. Not us! We’re predictable. Sure we get the occasional loose puck chances where we just blindly shoot at the net over and over, hoping for rebounds, but calculated passing into the slot? Nope, not us. Until we free up the F3 to come deep into the slot more often, things will stay the same. Watch Phoenix next game. Watch how many times they pull guys, either the F3 or D-man into the slot somehow and try the pass to the middle to connect instead of continuing the cycle. They don’t even have the talent to finish those plays like we do, but they understand that more QUALITY chances come from this strategy than the cycle, low to high work. Goalies are just too quick these days.
If the Kings were to change and fix these 2 things, we’d be winning these games hand over fist. A little defense might be sacrificed, but not enough to make a difference.
MAN I wish someone on the Kings who could DO something cared enough to read this and act on it. Seems obvious to me so I gotta believe it would be to them. It’s frustrating to see them do what they’ve talked about doing wrong every single game, over and over. It’s like they’re stuck in a loop or afraid of making a mistake.
Goals will come when this team stops being so predictable.
Now that being said…DEAN: GET NASH NOW! I honestly don’t care what it costs at this point. 32 years as a fan to have the players we have playing like this is a flat out joke. Nash-Kopitar-Williams WINS GAMES! They’d at least get us 1 goal a game if you refuse to tweak this awful offensive system. Maybe 2 if Kopi starts feeling challenged. WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?! Pull a Holmgren and make Howson an offer he CANNOT refuse! Man up. For the sake of all that is decent and Kings related. I won’t hold it against you, I’M ASKING FOR IT!!!
(sigh!)
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DEH Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:42 am
@Cynic, what offensive system? Part of me thinks that Penner is sucking it up b/c he hates the system.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:45 am
@Cynic, Thanks Cyn, and yes I saw that pass, I said something to my buddies about it like where is the guy in the slot, I think that happened right before Cammy scored. I’m not sure if that was a line change or not, if Kopi or Brown were coming on the ice they would of never went to the net, that pass went by two Calgary players, but no King was present.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:38 am
@Cynic, I’ve been saying the same things all year. As much as I’d love to have an all ALL-STAR line up, I’d settle for just a team that is coached with one iota of an idea of an offensive attack. Perimeter play, hanging back on D, and constant regrouping for the perfect breakout that never materializes is just incredibly demoralizing to watch, and seems to have the same effect on the team, too.
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MmmmYummy Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 1:49 am
@Cynic, nice assessment of Kings play. So right – quality chances is what they need not just more chances.
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Kings x Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 4:37 am
@MmmmYummy, Oh so like not shot mentality, good scoring shot mentality
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Ryan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 4:23 am
@Cynic,
Cycle is a 3 pt continuous movement. downlow… half boards and in front of net/Slot.
You think a cycle is everyone just doing a circle? there is a method behind the madness. When you have the puck you look up at your options(other 2 pts) and also Dman. If nothing is available then you “cycle” the puck back.
As for Cammy’s goal. It was a shot off the side of the net that Quick redirected directly to Cammy and then it went in the back of the net. It certainly was not a pass directly to cammy.
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Cynic Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:31 am
@Ryan, A ‘Cycle’ is NOT always a 3 point continuous movement. It can involve 2 and the purpose is to keep possession until something opens up. I’m not saying our strategy is a bad one, just completely predictable because THAT IS ALL WE DO. I’m saying to be a little more creative. Teams EXPECT us to have the F3 join the cycle on the boards and move accordingly. Let the F3 move into the SLOT or have a D-Man go backdoor with the F3 to cover his position and take a chance on the cross ice feed, If it gets through, quality chance. It’s what SO many teams do against us and succeed at.
That is EXACTLY the strategy Cammi used to score his goal. Kosty was trying to feed it to the front. His pass missed but luck didn’t. If Cammi didn’t read the play correctly and come down into the slot to be ready for that pass, he would have never been in position to bury that lucky bounce.
It’s about position more than anything. Why do you think Mitchy got turned around? He thought Kosty was going behind the net because he had his back to the play on his backhand. Not Mitchell’s fault, right read, but Cammi made the right read also.
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Kings Fan South Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 6:02 am
@Cynic, Good post!
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Miller29 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 6:22 am
@Cynic, Well if Sutter can read, hopefully he can read your post and integrate it Tuesday. If not, let Kompon read it without self interPretation.
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King Cobra Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:39 am
@Cynic, Yeah I have seen Richards make that centering blind pass into the slot with no one having the sense to be there dozens of times this year!!
It is a sad joke to see Richards brilliance wasted out there night after night.
And you have the clueless on here crying about Simmons did this Simmons did that.
Get some finishing players for Richards and we will score a goal for god sakes!!!!!!!
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I’m looking at the bright side. I am going to save hundreds of dollars in playoff tickets.
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You know … maybe DL was right about TM. He was a good coach cause he had foreseen this. He knew this group of guys can’t buy a goal so he preached “shot mentality”. If you shoot without knowing where you shoot at, you might get lucky bounce or two. That’s how he sees this game right? And look what happened tonight on Frames goal? 0ne lucky bounce BOOM, a dagger in the heart.
This team is bred for the single purpose. Grind, grind, grind, and go for the lucky bounce. No one knows how to use their soft hands but hands of metal. You want to change the system? I’m afraid it’s impossible because those guys are not for offensive system. If you want to see more offense in the system, you need to cut those players with metal hands and bring in the soft hands.
If we can land on Nash that would be a huge upgrade. But not the expense of our defense because our defense is the only offensive weapon we got. We can do blowout sale with our forwards. Who needs those incompetent guys anyway? Maybe Richards is useful but others can be let go. If CBJ wants Kopi and Brown, they can have them plus Bernier and prospect and a pic. Give us Nash and Carter in return. Then we will make a move for a couple of bottom 6 forwards. We can ship out Lewis, Richardson, Lokti, Frager, Penner, Stoll to get those guys.
When we get new blood in our vein, forget the system for a while. Let them play freely and then decide which system suits the group. If the coach won’t accept that, fire him and bring Randy Carlyle. Fire Kompon is must and foremost. Stevense and Ranford can stay.
I know I’m crazy but that’s the only way I can see this team can finally go to the different direction we hope.
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chip Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 2:35 am
@goldielocks, Yo, Rustilocks, serious anger issues, dude…
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zulov Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 2:41 am
@goldielocks, I agree with the first part of your last sentence. To claim that everyone on the roster is a grinder is not true. Every line on the team has 1 to 3 grinders on it – that’s true.
Here they are, with the biggest grinders at the top
Clifford
Brown
Fraser
Richardson
Stoll
Lewis
King
Nolan
The rest are not grinders, but are forced to play like grinders because there is absolutely no offensive system in place for anything else, and because the actual grinders only know how to dump, chase, and cycle along the boards.
If I could trade, I would start trading our character guys for some actual offensive talent.
Kopi is a keeper, but he needs rehab after being forced to play the worst offensive system I have ever witnessed.
Send Brown, Clifford, Fraser, JJ, Drewiski, and Bernier, for Nash, Carter, and 1 backup.
Then get the following lines going:
Nash Kopi Penner
Carter Richards Williams
Nolan Lokti King
Lewis Stoll Richardson
DD Scuds
Mitchel Voynov
Greene Amart
If Penner continues to stink it up, waive him when Gags is ready to play.
If the salary cap is an issue, the trade Penner and Stoll to some other playoff bound team for prospects and / or picks.
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I’m at a point right now where I think Kings should trade away Kopitar. He is to hot and cold type of player for this team. The Kings need consistent scoring players and he is not bringing this. Yes, he is one of the best two-way players in the league but I’m not sure if he is the right player for the Kings to build around. And don’t get me wrong I’m a huge Kopitar fan and I’m from Slovenia too, but he is not the right guy for this team. That’s why I would like to see a trade of something like this:
To Blue Jackets
Kopitar
Penner (salary dump)
To Kings
Carter
Nash
I don’t know if this is enough to get the Kings under the cap, but I think it is.
or the other one:
To Devils
Kopitar
To Kings
Parise
Henrique
1st round pick (conditional: if Parise doesn’t sign with the Kings)
This one is a bit of a gamble, because you don’t know if Parise will resign here, but if he does, it’s a very good trade for the Kings and obviously for the Devils.
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Kings x Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 4:41 am
@LF13, You’re over valuating kopitar.
Kopitar, bernier, penner, vovnov, vey + 1st for Nash and Carter
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LF13 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 5:00 am
@Kings x, maybe Voynov or Vey and of course Penner but Bernier is too much… If you add Bernier you want Mason the other way (he could still be a great goalie even though in the last years he is not showing it…). The 1st rounder is too much, maybe 3rd tops, but I don’t think a pick is necessary, so you would get this
Kopitar, Penner, Bernier, Vey/Voynov for Carter, Nash, Mason
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rt16 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 5:50 am
@LF13, regardless of who is involved a jolt is needed for this team to get them out of this terrible funk . . . you all know they have to be feeling it. losing these past two games to the team right behind them, both by 1-0 scores, at home, has to be a major source of concern. Something, damn near anything, has to give. these guys are rudderless right now . . . and nobody who can step up to the plate and show them how inside that locker room . . .
SpunkyTheBeagle Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:03 am
@LF13, take Kopitar out and you take the heart out of the team. Not a good move.
LF13 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@SpunkyTheBeagle, that’s why I would make this move. He is the player this team has been built around and you can see there is no scoring going on. Yes, they loose on the defense, but they gain a lot on offense and it changes the identity of this team a little bit and that’s what they need.
Jim Martin Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
@LF13, I agree with you on Kopitar. At best he is a second line center. He doesn’t like the physical part of hockey. He is more suited to European hockey and rinks.
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Good morning to the 9th place LA Kings fans…What is the record for being shutout in a season? As of today we have been shut out in 15% of their games thus far. WOW! In my 47 years I can never remember a team in any sport being this poor offensively. Maybe AEG actually has to remove DL and hold him accountable because as of this wonderful rainy and possibly our first nowy day of the year in Charlotte, I have no more answers. At least I didn’t stay up to watch the rest after the first period was so uneventful.
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We lost two back to back 1 – 0 games against the two teams that are tied with us in the standings.
No time to panic yet. It just means the number 7, number 8 and number 9 teams are all very good.
It is just they got the lucky bounce the last two games and got one and we didn’t.
Nash or Carter would be great additions (prefer Nash) but you don’t want to blow up the team just cause we lost a couple of games.
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Steven H Brown Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 7:29 am
@Hockey Fan, it’s not just a couple of games! the Kings have played 9 games in February, and given up only 13 goals, if they were almost any other team, in the league, that would have them shooting up the standings instead of dropping like a stone. they are 3-5-1 in February, because they have been shut out 3 times (all 1-0 losses) scored 1 goal 3 times (2-1 twice and 3-1 once.) scored 2 once, the Doughty beat the clock game. 3 goals once and 4 goals once. The most frustrating part is that in the 2 home losses 1-0 we outchanced the visiting team, but a failure to take the right shot, when the opportunities to score, happened prevented goals, and points. When Richards was stopp by MK’s glove at 1st I thought he had shot it into his pad, but he got the puck up, just not up under the bar, the same with Williams more than once in the Phoenix Game. Even on a 2nd and 3rd chance goal, the puck has to be just barely into the net, to score! How often do you hear metal, when either Jonathan gives up a goal? Yes the bounce off of the net, had Quick give up a juicy into the slot rebound, but with 2 d in fairly good position in front of him, quick probably couldn’t see Cammi, and didn’t realize, that noone was playing him, rather than an area in front of the net. of course those bounces and miscommunications are going to happen, 1 goal shouldn’t beat you, it has 3 times in the last 8 games, and at least 4 times this calendar year. CBJ beat them 1-0 at Staples Center too! The guy who is getting psychologically crushed by this is not Quick, who at least get’s to go out and fight for a 0-0 tie over a 60 minute plus game, but Bernier, who see his opportunity, to play diminish to one game in a road back to back, every time, they lose another 1 goal game in regulation.
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Just saw the fat lady warming up her pipes…
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Why is Rich not writing anything about Nash? It’s not a secret Kings are in the hunt, maybe even frontrunners.
TSN, 4th period, everyone talks about it. Not to mention all the comments in here..
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Rich Hammond Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:37 am
http://lakingsinsider.com/2012/02/15/williams-on-trade-deadline-emotions/
http://lakingsinsider.com/2012/02/16/kings-reportedly-on-nashs-list/
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MacSwede Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@Rich Hammond, Touché
Sorry Rich, and I actually read those.
I just wanted some fresh information from the Insider, but maybe thats hard to get.
Keep up the good work.
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Calgary fans are all thinking HEY KINGS FANS YOU SUCK
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Any stat guys out there who can say where we stack up on goals for in history since the original expansion? How many teams over that last 40 years have sucked this bad on offense?
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I have nothing more to say besides This Sucks!
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:00 am
@408kingsfan, Oh wait I do have something to say…. nevermind
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Kopitar is a stiff……for christ sakes try Richards on the first line so he doesnt have to play with a couple of AHL guys..this is MIKE FRIGGIN RICHARDS…
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Jimmyo777 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 8:28 am
@Gross Misconduct, Problem is that LA doesn’t have any first line wingers …Try Kopi on the wing, as he’s doing nothing as a center.
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King Cobra Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@Gross Misconduct, Friggin A – Could not have said it better myself!!!
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And we just finished another game in. . . . . The Twilight Zone!
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hate to say it, but if we don’t make the playoffs i’ve got a feeling that aeg is gonna gut this fish wide open………. major changes a comin………
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Hey Rich pretty soon you won’t have a job because there is absolutely nothing new to report
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I winder if Richards wishes he would’ve just joined “Dry Island” at this point?
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number 6 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:03 am
@Stagger,
I have to admit that that’s funny.
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To put things in perspective, Columbus would be in fourth place right now if they had Jonathan Quick
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DD is not worth the money. Sorry but I just don’t see it. DL, want to show some balls, use DD as trade bait.
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Danny of Pasadena Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:23 am
@SpunkyTheBeagle, spunky, dd was okay before other teams figuered him out. Lots of players just dont play well h ere and excel elsewhere. I get hemsky from edmonton and put bim with the pa.kace man. Id get rid of stoll before pancakes. Trade whiskey and a few other kids for nash and you might have something tbere
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puck73 Reply:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:26 am
@SpunkyTheBeagle, You are partially correct. Drew Doughty’s talent is going to waste here because the Kings have no wingers that can finish. Therefore, he is a valuble asset that can bring us both Nash and Carter and change the dynamic of this team totally.
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@Shane, shane…come back…SHANE……!
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Hey Sutter,
Time to start kicking trash cans and asses. The positive back slapping approach is no longer working.
Please do something. I am tired of feeling sick to my stomach.
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