Jarret Stoll is still on the ice, and didn’t take regular shifts during the morning skate, so it’s probably unlikely that he will play tonight. Dustin Penner came off the ice with the rest of the game group, and Alec Martinez and Kevin Westgarth are still on the ice, so it seems Penner will replace Westgarth tonight. Jonathan Quick was the first goalie off the ice, so he’s the likely starter. Here’s how the Kings skated this morning…
Brown-Kopitar-Williams
King-Richards-Nolan
Clifford-Loktionov-Lewis
Penner-Fraser-Richardson
Scuderi-Doughty
Mitchell-Johnson
Drewiske-Greene
Quick
Bernier
Potential Big Moves.
Signing Parise in the off season: This is the ideal situation – as we get a superstar that has chosen our organization. He’ll have a pretty high cap hit (7m-7.5m), but we won’t have to lose any assets to acquire him. The con obviously, is that there is no reason to think we’d be able to sign him – so waiting until then will put us in another Kovalchuk situation all over again. Afterwards, we will be able to rename the situation, “The Parisalchuk”.
Trading for Carter: I don’t know if he’s the complete hockey player that I imagine Parise to be – but Carter has as much potential to score goals as just about anyone in the league — which in my mind, makes his 5.3m cap hit a steal. Another bonus is that we could potentially acquire him at a discounted price considering his current situation. The con being that if he ended up flopping (like Penner), then we are stuck with his contract until 2022.
Trading for Nash: Nash is a monster hockey player – no question about it. Where Carter is an “opportunist”, scoring goals when the chance presents itself (like Semin); Nash creates opportunities to score (like Ovechkin), which in return helps the entire team score more goals. He is an elite, franchise hockey player who can single handedly win games for his team. But as the Pros seem large, so are the Cons – his cap hit is 7.3m which is a lot by any standard. And unlike Carter, you can bet the Blue Jackets aren’t going to let Nash go cheap. So with Nash, we are going to lose a bunch of grade A assets and take on a monster contract – which together is pretty hard to swallow.
Trading for Van Riemsdyk: Everyone in Philly agrees this kid has a ton of potential – as is apparent by the huge contract he signed (4.2m until 2018). Although he isn’t at the same level as the other players mentioned, this move would leave the Kings with cap flexibility and with assets to make an additional move of the same basic level. Cons include: we are again paying for potential and hoping it works out, and that Riemsdyk has just come back from a concussion – which in these times should be a huge concern.
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Downsy89 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@CabbagesAndKings, Nash cap hit is 7.8 and Carter does compete watch the videos of him. He snips and goes in front of the net. He does not do any fancy moves. He another guy who can take faceoffs. Yes Nash create plays, but I would go for Carter if that allows us to keep Johnson. Remember Carter controls his no trade cause, and MR told NHL 36 hours he talks Carter 3-4 times a week.
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@Downsy89, videos are usually only hi-lites… I’m sure there is enough videos of our roster players hi-lites throughout their careers… video means nothing, it’s what you’re doing on the ice without the puck since 95% of the TOI doesn’t show up on “videos”…
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@CabbagesAndKings, personally, I’m tired of the word potential. I would stear very clear of “potentially” great players and start going with either a) known performers or b) minor leaguers how yes have potential, but don’t break our bank becuase of it…
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The Puck Stops Here Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am
@Stuart, I agree. We have a roster full of complimentary scorers, but no real snipers. I think Carter could be Penner, part 2. It’s quite a pickle we are in, and I think we need to release assets to gain offensively productive assets.
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Canadian King Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@CabbagesAndKings, Great analysis on the potential moves. I personally would love to add anyone of the names mentioned, however in saying that if I was to choose I think we would be better off trading for a Carter or a JVR. They would come cheaper and we would still have enough money left over to sign Parise in the off-season once Penner and Stoll and the other ufa’s come off the books as well as whatever trade chip goes the other way. Nash would be the best choice though in terms of pure sniper and power forward but would easily cost us the most to land.
Just my thoughts!
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@Canadian King, I don’t understand how people can think the signing Parise is going to happen??? WHy would he come here when he can go elsewhere, anywhere, where they don’t have the “system” issues that we have???
Forget Parise, GET NASH
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CB14 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@Stuart, Then why, according to reports, is Nash willing to come here?
Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@CB14, the difference being one is a trade scenario, the other is a FA scenario…
CB14 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@Stuart, Yes, but Nash also has a No Trade Clause.
Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@CB14, Yes, but Nash has reportedly submitted a short list with the Kings being one of the 5, reportedly.
Are you going to argue with me about the chances of Deano landing a FA?
CB14 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@Stuart, Yes, I know he has. I’m not arguing with that, just not understanding your reasoning for why Parise won’t come here. Since it doesn’t apply to Nash, why does it apply to Parise?
Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
@CB14, only because of DL’s history of landing big name (east coast, to boot) top UFAs. He doesn’t send the right message or something, or worst, he explain his hockey philosophy of defense first and it drie up interest?
I’m only saying we’re less likely to pick up Parise in the off season because of DL’s inability to do so with other players in the past.
CB14 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
@Stuart, That’s understandable.
broncokings Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@CabbagesAndKings, I saw last night that Philly was interested in JJ along with some players from other teams, seeing that JVR is back today makes sense what we would trade for.
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absoludicrous Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
@CabbagesAndKings, i would love to have parise on our team, especially without giving assets up in return. but i’m just curious why people think that parise signing a 7-7.5 million dollar contract is great but nash coming over with his 7.3 million dollar contract is a big hit? isn’t that the basically same number?
i would love to have either of them. but honestly i think the only way we’re going to get a big named winger to play for us is through a trade. unless we can turn things around from here on out until the end of the season. i’m just worried about what we’d have to give up to get nash.
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KC23 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
@CabbagesAndKings, Top name UFA don’t come to Kings unless we over pay them. DL tries to under pay so we don’t get squat top names. You got a better chance of getting hit by lightning than Parise becoming a Kings.
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Any one hear anything today regarding Nash or other players?
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Jkking Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@Jeffreyryan, They want Kopi and bernie
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Jeffreyryan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@Jkking, no way. Where did you hear this
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@Jeffreyryan,
I saw that too, but that was Craig Button who id say is the worst TV analyst ever, who said that. Craig Button wants Deano’s job, so he’d more then happy to have the kings trade Kopitar which it would forsure lead to Deano’s firing.
Im probably one of the most ‘ Pro Nash ‘ people here, but NOT for Kopi ,Doughty ,Quick or Richards. Those guys are literally untouchable, and not improving anyting by getting rid of those guys. But seriously , Craig Button really just ruins my day, he annoys me so much.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@Jeffreyryan, Kopi isn’t going to be traded for Nash. Bringing in Nash would be for Kopi. However if Carter is in the deal, maybe that would be different. I doubt DL would go that far though.
Subby Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@Jkking, I thought you were joking. O_O
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Hal_B Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
@Jeffreyryan, We should all start a chant tonight at the game… “We want Nash, We want Nash…!”
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
@Hal_B, I only started that after DB got called at the end of the game. I wanted to start it a lot earlier, but I was so hopeful that the Kings were going to score, let alone win, that I thought it would be in bad taste. Even when I did yell it a couple times, no one helped me to spread it…
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I think this is absolutely the last chance Penner will get with this team. If this fails, he better start working on his bat swinging skills.
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Shakes Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
@tornado12, I hear there’s a team that needs someone to bat cleanup…
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tornado12 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@Shakes, in Tijuana?
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Stop the Puck Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@tornado12, I mean did you see the quote by sutter that rich just tweeted? It was pretty scathing…
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tornado12 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@Stop the Puck, what did he say?
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KingsFletch Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@tornado12, I kinda like him on the 4th line, maybe it will motivate him to be more physical and go after some guys. He’s a huge body and he can hit, he just needs the motivation back. (obviously a huge if). This is Penner’s last chance, hopefully him being in the lineup today is his audition for another team (Columbus)
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tornado12 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
@KingsFletch, he is getting paid way too much to be a healthy scratch. put up or shut up time for DP. I forgot how waivers works with regard to salary cap. i believe if he is claimed first time then claiming team is responsible for the whole salary, but on re-entry waivers then Kings pay half? anyone know for sure how that works?
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I’m getting tired of that top line with Brown on LW. Put him with Richards and then have the newbies on the LW of the top two lines. That first line has not done much as of late.
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outsider Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:16 am
@bmova, Agreed, but I would give Penner one more chance to impress with Kopi & Williams. Last season they played very well together before Kopi got injured and they didn’t have any chance to play together this year after Penner got 100 % after his injury.
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KingsFletch Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@outsider, I disagree with messing with the 2nd line at all right now. That 2nd line is great, needs to stay put as is. Therefore moving Penner up to the 1st line isn’t realistic.. although i wouldn’t mind seeing him on the top line to try and prove something or audition for another team.. i just don’t see how it works unless Brownie goes to the 3rd line.
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outsider Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
@KingsFletch, …where he bellongs…
Get Nash!!!!!!!
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@Alex, Please get Nash… This city deserves on Ovechkin type player. Please!!!R
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I want goals tonight!!! Please I am tired of this. We had 30 shots yes but all of them are above the circle. Lets get in the slot!!! hello!!! Point shots dont help if we have no one in front. So go the slot or put bodys in front of the net!
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palmspringskingsfan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@Downsy89,
Good call that is where penner should be.. he is big enough to block the golies line of sight
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@palmspringskingsfan, F penner complete waste. He will never be anything of value. Ever
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poe Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@Downsy89,I have been blogging the same thing for years.And nobody listens . Penner should look like Bertuzzi in front of the goalie—like a huge tree!!!And if we get lucky with a five on three…2 big bodies in front of the goalie. Also I do not want to see Kopi behind the net tonite, nor on the boards to the left of the goalie. Pleez, release him from always having to play D. GKG
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By the way isn’t it ironic that a team owned by the NHL with no good players is doin so well. While the kings (whom the NHL have not motivation to see do well… Since they already sell out… Are struggling) I’m just saying. Think abt it
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I liked the way Penner played yesterday in the small practice. He seemed to have a bit of fire in him. The coaches were watching intently, so I presume they saw a similar effort. We shall see.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am
@wavesinair, It is nice he does it in practice. Now just translate it to game.
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goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@wavesinair,
I hope he’ll make a statement that he belongs to the team. I’m still not giving up on him.
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USHA#17 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@goldielocks,
Too late, he should have made that statement four months ago. I wanted him here. Now I want him gone. Frankly I’ve tired of weak no look backhand passing.
What we’ve seen is what we got. Do you really expect this team to suddenly surge? Did you expect the team to surge against St. Louis? Florida? Long Island? Carolina? How about Phoenix? I hope they do but believe they won’t.
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outsider Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@wavesinair, get him the chance to play with Kopi and Williams. Park him in front of the net!
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Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:21 am
@wavesinair, That fire was probably heartburn. When a coach has to call you out publicly for not busting your ass, it’s usually something serious. It’s all show until he becomes that monster on the ice we got him to be. That has to do with his mentality and the only one that can fix it is Dustin Penner. Maybe more cowbell.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@Cynic, Yep. And as far as the end result, I am still very much cynical.
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Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@wavesinair, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. LOL!
MORE COWBELL!
Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@wavesinair, I like the way penner eats breakfast. He’s very aggressive and seems To have a constant front Table presence. He’s consistently buries helping after helping leading to an allstar caliber flapjack total.
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Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@Kings x, If I was drinking something when I read this, it would have been all over the computer screen. Good thing my timing is better than Penner’s.
ROTFL!! Totally agree. I especially like his syrup to butter ratio. LOL!
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rontheking Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
@Kings x,
He DOES really seem to have his mind in the game when it comes to pancakes…but let’s face it–he’s a butterer, not a batterer–what a waste of a big body and decent hands….
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@wavesinair,
Meh, Practice??? Totally different atmosphere when you’re playing against an opponent. Almost one full year of being a King and he has produced next to nil.. Ship him out for a new Zamboni or something.
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Gmo Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@wavesinair,
Yes but that fire will only last one game or 3 the most then he will go back to his old tricks of bein lazy
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
@Gmo,
One game? Heck, I’m hoping it lasts more than one SHIFT!
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Insted of calling Penner Pancakes, going to start calling him Nine Lives. He gets another chance tonight.
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The NHL has just renamed the area of the ice starting from the crease to the top of the circles the ” No Kings zone”.
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@Puckn-A,
LOL
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I can’t believe Richardson is in instead of Westy… unbelievable.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
@Stuart, Even though Richie isn’t scoring he does seem to keep the puck in the zone or get to loose pucks or cause turnovers.
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@Jeff_R, what’s the point?? I thought it was nice to keep buzzing around and I thought, 20 games later, that by now they’d found their rythym and potted a few, but no.
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goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am
@Stuart,
I have to agree. Richardson and Lewis … all they can do is buzzing around, eating up TOI. Westy can bring more physicality.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@goldielocks, Sutter should put them on the top line with kopi. Guaranteed success!
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@Kings x, wrong, just more speed with no finish…
outsider Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
@Stuart, not impressed with him on D at all!
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palmspringskingsfan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
@Stuart,
richardson is much better than wesgarth and quicker.
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KC23 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
@Stuart, Agree 100%.
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Please score. Randy Newman’s “I love LA” snibbit has barely been played this season. (although it also means the weird new “Hey” song isn’t played much which is good). If I wanted to see people not score I could save my money and look through my high school yearbook each night
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I’d like to see Richards and WIlliams play together on the same line. Need to get Richards going ASAP, and Williams can help that. Gulp…maybe try Penner with Kopitar again? Or King.
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Watching the Chi-Columbus game and both Nash and Carter seem to be playing not to get hurt.. Chi up 2-1 in period 2
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outsider Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@lakingbob(chi), you wanted to say “not playing” again? Off night again? NO Nash & Carter for me!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@outsider, Yea like getting Nash or Carter or both wouldn’t make this team better. Two guys that can score 80 goals between them and you don’t want them.
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Is anyone watching the flyers game? Simmons on the PP makes a direct bee line to the front of the net. Why can’t we do that?
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palmspringskingsfan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@Jeffreyryan, that should be penners job.
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Jeffreyryan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@palmspringskingsfan, or kopitars. he does well in front of the net
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@Jeffreyryan, Because we flat out suck with a system that flat out sucks
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Maybe the kings should go after the player that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense and cant score and that will work… Like back in grade-school, opposite day.
Gomez anyone?
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Solid points made by none other than Cynic…
Potential Nash Trade Broken Down to Prevent Widespread Panic
http://deepinsidethekings.com/
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@wavesinair, I really like that analysis and think it was pretty much spot on. I really want Nash on this team and I think that not only would Kopi benefit but the rest of the team will too. He is an awesome 2 way player and the sniper that this team has lacked. Losing those players would be tough, but it is a reason why Dean has drafted the way he has, so that he can replace those lost. Voynov can replace JJ with Hickey close behind. Not sure about draft picks though, as we don’t have a 2nd or 3rd rounder this year but do have our 1st. One last thing….Nash does what most all the players we have don’t want to do….Go to the slot and the net. When we get him and he does that, it will be infectious and others will do it along with scoring goals.
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@Jeff_R, if not infectious, at least the others will see how it’s done and the rewards of taking the punishment… Gawd I really hope, for my sanity’s sake, that we get Nash sooner than 2/27.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@Stuart, Me too. Stuart are you going to the game tonight?
Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@Jeff_R, unfortunately, no. I don’t see anymore tickets in my future this season (money) but I’d like to finagle one PO game is they make it…
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broncokings Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:46 am
@wavesinair, that actually seems like a pretty good trade idea, can he email it to DL?
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
@wavesinair, Thanks Waves, good read and it makes sense to me. I like how Cynic broke things down with our players like Cliche and Bernie, I also believe Nash would be great along with Kopi, people don’t realize that Nash has played on a bad team for so many years and has scored a lot of goals for them . Just think how good Kopi will be with Nash on his line. We take a little step back on our D but we are third best, with JJ gone we may drop a little, but with Nash our offense moves up from last, and any movement up from last is a plus.There is no guarantee that we get Parise this summer,we have had very little luck with FA, at least we have a shot at a top goal scorer who is hungry to win.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@wavesinair, Doesn’t sound like anything new except I doubt they will give up vey or forbort and they don’t have any # 2 picks unless you are talking 2013. I don’t think DL wants to lose any picks for next year since he lost so many this year. also Sanford is on the IR an the extent of his return from injury is unknown.
JB, JJ, DP, JM plus #1 pick – if it takes more than that, it is too costly
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“(Penner) went out of the lineup because he was horse(crap), so he’d better step up to the plate or he might not get another look.”
Sounds like Sutter doesn’t want to use Penner at all but myabe DL does?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@goldielocks, Or maybe he doesn’t have a choice but to play him. It isn’t like those playing in his place has helped any.
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Kings fans remind me of really bad parents. “Ok Penner you have ONE more chance.”. How many one more chances does this guy get??
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In Columbus Mason was just pulled and had it out with the coach.. Bernier to Columbus??
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Subby Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@lakingbob(chi), had it out? explain
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lakingbob(chi) Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Subby, The Chicago people are saying Mason and the Head coach have not been eye to eye at all and words were said when he was pulled. Package for Nash with Bernier in the mix..
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
@lakingbob(chi), This may work even more to our favor for a Nash trade with a goalie in the package especially since Sanford just went on IR
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My viewpoint on a potential Nash trade:
http://deepinsidethekings.com/2012/02/potential-nash-trade-broken-down-to-prevent-widespread-panic/
Have at it.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@Cynic,
Ha! I just posted this above silly man.
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Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@wavesinair, Yeah, but I never read your posts.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@Cynic,
Oh, that was GOOD!
I hate you.
Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
@Cynic, Bro-Love man….
Bro-Love.
CB14 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@Cynic, You forgot to address the affect his cap hit would have on this team. We’d be ok this year and next, but once Quick signs an extension we would have nearly 34 million tied up in just 5 players. I don’t think that’s the best way to assemble a roster, and I don’t think Nash is the solution to this teams scoring problems. Even if we do get Nash, would we be a Stanley Cup contender? I don’t think so.
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CB14 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Plus Nash’s numbers this year are nearly identicle to Penners last year before he was traded to the Kings. They were both on similarly bad teams as well.
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@CB14, I thnk we win the Pacific, assure ourselves a spot in the POs and then haveas good a chance as anyone else… so yes, I do see SC contenders.
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Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@CB14, I think the cap hit is irrelevant if Penner and Stoll are moved because as you mentioned, we’ll be good until Quick resigns. A lot can happen in 2 years. Just look at out team 2 years ago compared to now. Have you ever looked at the cap this way:
Your top line, top 2 d-men & goalie: 40 mil/season
Leaves roughly 24mil (Assuming the cap does not increase, don’t see it decreasing with the league’s improved revenue lately) for the remaining 17 roster spots. That’s an average of $1.41Mil per player. With the league minimum at $525K, you could have some players a 3mil a season and others at the league minimum with no problem. You’d be at the cap, but we’re practically there now!
Right now:
Kopi: 6.8mil
Penner: 4.25Mil
Richards: 5.75Mil
Doughty: 7mil
Johnson: 4.36mil
Quick: 1.8mil
TOTAL: 29.96Mil for your top 3 Forwards, Top 2 D, and #1 Goalie
Take into account the money coming off the books (More than likely) for next year:
Stoll: 3.6Mil
Parse: 900K
TOTAL: 4.5Mil
Put the Nash Trade in the Mix (Good for this and next season):
Nash: 7.8Mil
Kopitar: 6.8Mil
Williams: 3.65Mil
Doughty: 7Mil
Mitchell: 3.5Mil (Will probably Resign for the same money, but an untangible)
Quick: 1.8Mil
TOTAL: 30.55MIL
Not much of an increase to what we currently have, is it? You could essentially add Carter (5.27Mil) and drop Greene (2.95Mil) and only add about 2mil to the cap total. DON’T FORGET, Simon Gagne is a UFA the same year Quick is. We don’t even know if Gags will be back this season yet! That 3.5mil could easily go to Quicker.
There are SO many possibilities for us to spend to the cap ceiling and fit Nash AND Carter, take care of Quick and still make room for the prospects for the next 5-7 years, it’s crazy! We just have to move the right salaries to do it.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
@Cynic, This is a very good post and realistic to where we will be with Nash on the team. There are reports that the Cap will go up to 68-69 million next season, however that could change with the new CBA.
CB14 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
@Cynic, A couple of things. In the first set of numbers you listed the Kings 3 highest paid forwards, but in the second set you didn’t, that’s why there isn’t much of an increase. I agree with you that it COULD be done, but that’s an extremly top heavy line-up in a league that values a balanced line-up. Nash, Kopi, Williams, Brown, and Richards make a combined 28 million. Doughty, Mitchell, Scuderi, and Greene make a combined 18 million. Quick would make about 7 million. That’s 53 million for 10 players. That leaves mabye 13 million for 13 players, and that’s with an increase in the salary cap which if you’ve noticed in all the 4 major sports, the players percentage has decreased in each of the collective barginning agreements.
jacky boy Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
@CB14, I disagree if we get Nash we are very much in contention for the cup!!
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@Cynic, Great one , I read it on Waves post and also commented, I like your thinking.
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goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@Cynic,
Bidding for Nash is getting higher if other teams show interest. I’m sure Howson is enjoying this right now. It would be a silly game DL to play if he give up so much for the reason to match up the offer others make. And the only reason he would do is saving his a$$. I don’t see any reason Howson needs to make this deal in a hurry. All he needs to worry about is to secure the 1st round pic (which is almost done), wait until the best offer is made for Nash or Carter. So why DL has to give up so much now when it is clear that other good UFA will be available in the summer?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
@goldielocks, How much higher can it get when there are only 5 teams bidding? Looking at the 5 teams NY, Philly and Vancouver would really have to put a dent to there team by getting Nash, plus it could ruin chemistry. SJ and the Kings are really in the best position to get Nash without messing with there team too much. Cap wise we will be fine now and the future. Pittsburgh has 2 guys making over 18 million and they seem to be doing fine.
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goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
@Jeff_R,
There are teams so-called wildcards other than 5 teams, and if this will take more than the deadline more teams will emerge.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
@Jeff_R, Yea but it is Rick Nash that gives the list of teams he would accept going to. According to reports the Kings are one of 5 teams on that list. Unless he has changed his mind or there are more teams on his list then reported, then there are no wild card teams on it.
Bryzgalov sucks. -__-
I had a GWG in Jagr right now and Bry gives up 2 shortys, one being on a 2 man advantage.
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@Subby, and yet the other day somebody responded to my post about PHI having a bad situation in goal by saying they didn’t have a problem in net… seems they do!
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outsider Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Subby, Bobrowski sucks too, another two cheap goals scored by Penguins… Maybe Flyres would be ready to give up some of their ofensive power for Bernier…
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@outsider, but the sad/scary part is take any of their offensive players not named Girioux and they will flounder on our roster. No thanks to more PHI heads…
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broncokings Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
@Stuart, What about JVR, I think he would be good here, having already played with MR.
Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
@broncokings, no thanks for more “potential” and I said earlier, take a PHI player into our system (not named Girioux) and they will not be what you think they are.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
@broncokings, We need a known name to change things around not one that has the potential to do so, but may not realize that potential. We have enough of that already. Plus JVR just came back from a concussion.
Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@Subby, I know. Watched that game. Worse to bryz signing that deal and bob always coming to the rescue. Makes me wonder in JQ would really be that good is he was off a defense first team. Look at mike smith emergence. Labarberra is just that bad
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everyone is over looking the fact that quick is getting played too much. didn’t the staff learn from the vancouer series. a tried quick leads too early playoff exit. if they can’t score a burned out goalie isnt gonna make many saves. PLAY BERNIER.
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