After a three-game absence as a healthy scratch, Dustin Penner will return to the Kings’ lineup tonight. Trent Hunter has passed through waivers and isn’t with the team, and Kevin Westgarth has a sore hand, according to Darryl Sutter, so in goes Penner, who has five goals and eight assists in 43 games. Penner is slotted on a line with Colin Fraser and Brad Richardson, and by all accounts, he better impress Sutter, and quickly.
SUTTER: “It’s not just giving him another shot. He’s a veteran. He better step up to the plate. It’s very simple. He went out of the lineup because he was horse(crap), so he’d better step up to the plate or he might not get another look. It’s simple. When we preach work and those things, and everybody does it, then he better do it.”
Regarding Westgarth’s status, Sutter said, “If we really needed him tonight (he could play), but that’s not the type of team we’re playing, either.” Westgarth was a full participant in today’s morning skate.
As for Stoll, it seems he’s not quite ready to return from the injured-reserve list. Stoll, out with a strained abductor muscle, participated in the morning skate but isn’t expected to play tonight. “He needs a contact practice,” Sutter said. After tonight, the Kings don’t play again until Tuesday at Phoenix.
(crap)
Coach does not sugar-coat.
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bobatremax Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@chip, Penner has been to use DS term Horse crap since he became a King. Time to step up & produce or move on. Penner doesnt hit anyone. Jim Fox says thats not his game. What a waste of size. Its shamefull to watch him play with no physical presence. What is his game? 5 goals for all that he is paid. Penner should hang his head when he picks up his paycheck.
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If anyone knows about horse puckey it would be DS… hopefully he wasn’t doing a disservice to horsewaste.
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rontheking Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
@Stuart,
I think he was…I expect hs everywhere is pretty offended by his remarks….
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Everyone, including Penncakes better leave it all out on the ice tonight.
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So I assume we will see a good game out of penner tonight…just guessing..
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@Cruiznblue,
Yes one game of doing well then followed up with horse crap after tonight.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@Cruiznblue, Doubt it. He doesn’t bring the effort and he is below average physically fit. 4m gigantic mistake
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If we don’t win tonight, we’ll be in 9th.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
@bmova,
If we don’t win tonight, we’ll lose.
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saydaysago Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
@wavesinair, hahaha
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thrustable Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@bmova, thank you captain calculator.
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nykingfan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
@bmova,
Are you rooting for that?
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Love it! If that isn’t loud and clear I don’t know what is! Penner can either pout or play his best game as a King tonight.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
@av8tr,
Or he can tank it on purpose because he’s already eying the summer and another team.
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Donald_S Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
@wavesinair,
That makes no sense. If he can play better here he could get 2 million in the offseason. If he doesn’t? 6 figures.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@Donald_S,
It makes a TON of sense in light of this quote:
“When we signed Dustin we thought he’d be a top-two-line player. We thought the contract ($4.25 million average for five years) was a starting point for him, but he views it as a finish line. I can’t watch it, certainly not for another 2 1/2 years.” -Craig Mactavish
HE DOESN’T CARE!
Duncanz Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
@wavesinair, If that were true, and I’m not arguing the point, why would DS not just continue to sit him?
If KW’s hand is really sore it’s a toss-up, I guess.
It would just seem continued selection of a player with no desire would do debilitating damage to the mission..
Sutter publicly calling out Penner, as nice as it might seem and make us all feel good, certainly doesn’t help what little trade value he has already….
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Pumpernicholl Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@Cynic, I hope you were never actually counting on any other team trading for Penner.
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Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@Pumpernicholl, Actually, it’s been reported and talked about by TSN that Toronto would want him for the rest of the season. Columbus wants picks and TOR would give a few to see if Penner would do better in TOR under his old GM Brian Burke, who he won a Cup with.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
@Cynic, For future considerations and a tiny prorated salary. So they can get a big bodied front net presence type with good hands. LOL
wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
@Cynic,
I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
@Cynic, When has he had any trade value with this team???
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Peter90210 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration, We could always trade him away to Denny’s to be their breakfast spokesman in exchange for free pancakes for anyone holding a Kings ticket stub. Other than that, I frankly can’t see any team wanting such a loser.
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Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration, Here’s exactly the problem. ALL of us here believe that, but obviously Brian Burke does not.
Which would you rather be: Right? or get Nash in a deal involving Dustin Penner?
It doesn’t matter what we think, it only matters what the BUYER thinks.
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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
@Cynic, You’re right as far as the “buyer” is concerned. It’s all in the eye of the beholder. When Brian Burke was the GM for the Dueks, right? Why hasn’t he gone after his “guy” then?? Because he wasn’t going to pay that kind of jing for a guess and by golly.
KC23 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@Cynic, Trade value? Dropping? Seriously? DS just saying what everyone that knows anything about hockey already knows quite well.
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It would be nice if Penner aka “Pancakes” or aka “Charlie Brown” would score a goal tonight. I wonder if really realizes this is his last chance by what DS is saying.
On a side note, I am really bummed out by the Kings orginazation as of late. The in-between whistles & intermissions are getting really horrible. That frozen shirt thing was the dumbest thing I have seen on the ice this year. The team does not score goals so we have to make fools of ourselves I guess.
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
@Hockey G, LOL i was saying WTF the entire time that frozen shirt was going on… I’m glad there was a time limit or those two saps would still be banging those things on the boards…
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jamesonafterawin Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@Hockey G, Yeah, Penner scores the only goal, somebody usually does.
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freezer flatten Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
@jamesonafterawin, good statement. sutter could have called out a lot of players.
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rontheking Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@Hockey G,
At some point they might have to resort to an ice girl wet t-shirt contest to make up for the lack of scoring on the ice….
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Doughty, Bernier, Penner, and Toffolli for Nash, Carter, and Sanford. The Kings immediately become a force with a top 6 that can match anyone. Would it hurt to give up Doughty? Of course. But Guess what? We dont need just a little help on offense, WE ARE DEAD LAST!
Plus, Nash and Carter are 27, they are in their prime so they would fit in. Having a backup goalie like Sanford gives you peace of mind going into the playoffs because he has NHL experience.
Unfortunately Kings fans, Dean Lombardi and Terry Murray chased all the top 6 wingers outta here so this is where we are at..Dead last in 5 on 5.
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broncokings Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@puck73, I think adding Penner doesn’t help the value that we are offering, and I wouldn’t want DD to go, add JJ and any prospect to that and maybe COL may look at the deal
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broncokings Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@broncokings, what i meant was switch DD for JJ
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puck73 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@broncokings, JJ isnt in DD’s class. And besides, you wanna change the dynamic of our top 6, this does it.
It’s unfortunate because DL and TM were so busy trying to turn every one of our top 6 wingers into Guy Carbonneau that they forgot that you still have to have skill on your team as well, not just character and mucking. Lombardi is finding this out the hard way.
I watched the Devils and Ducks last night and I wasnt bored one bit,. Their was speed, skill. and great goaltending. We have the goaltending for sure, but if you think our top 6 can match thoses teams then you have been drinking too much of DL’S koolaid.
Belexes Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@puck73,
I love DD but would only do this deal if it were DD, JB, and penns. Also the Carbonneau comparison is dead on.
Pumpernicholl Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
@puck73, I wouldn’t trade Toffoli. He’s the only true goal scorer in the Kings prospect pipeline. It’s good to actually have at least one of those.
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outsider Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@Pumpernicholl, +1
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puck73 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
@Pumpernicholl, Nash and Carter are in their prime. The time is now, remember that slogan? I think after 6 seasons of building, its time.
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broncokings Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
@puck73, I totally agree that our top 6 don’t match up and that we would definetly benefit with Nash and Carter(especially since MR and carter are friends). Its hard to get rid of someone like DD that is only 21 and has so much upside. I know you gotta give in order to get, there just has to be other pieces to give.
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@puck73, Sorry, that would be a horrible trade for the Kings. The last thing we need are two soft forwards having arguably their worst career years. Nash has worst plus minus on team, can’t play 5 vs 5 and Carter is a loose cannon. Two supposed studs and their team is dead last; that doesn’t spell winners in my mind. I’d rather keep the cap space and get a UFA in the off season without losing DD or Toffoli or Bernier
Pumpernicholl Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@puck73, “The time is now” … to trade Toffoli? I think not.
How about some other player rather than one of the very, very few guys in the entire Kings organization who actually has a nose for the net?
Michael J. Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@puck73,
Do it NOW!
I would switch out Richardson and Hickey for Toffoli. I think that works better for CBJ too.
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Bama Kings Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@puck73, I LOVE that trade. Where have you been? I’ve been getting crucified with those types of suggestions!
That is some good stuff.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@Bama Kings,
I’m down with moving Doughty, his selfish attitude, his millstone contract, and his poison-pill agent to CBJ for Nash. I’d make that deal every day of the week.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
@puck73,
I agree with Puck. You have to gjve something to get something. We have plenty of D and can afford to lose DD. We need offense! Nash goes on the first line with Kopi and JW. We then have an actual top notch 1st line. Carter goes to second line with MR and Brown (or Gagne). You have then just recreated one of the top scoring lines in Flyer.history. You now have 2the legitimate scoring lines that have creators, finishers. And toughness. We would still have plenty of defense. Love DD but we don’t score meed him as much as we dont need scoring.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
@DesertKing,
The way I see it it that the defence loses a bit of production, while the offece improves vastly. Bernier is an assett, but not producing much because Quick is so good.
Lets do this deal tomorrow!
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
@DesertKing, We are dead last in GF and third in D,we need more balance, with Nash and Carter we become more balanced. Any good player playing on a crappy team will probably always have a bad plus/minus, but Nash is top five in scoring since the lock-out, and Carter just started with a not so good team and was hurt.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
@LVKINGS88, Yeah bad plus minus in comparison to players on winning teams but the best player have the worst plus minus on the same team. That’s not a winner and not a guy I want for the Kings. Again, I’d rather save the cap space and get a UFA without losing a guy like Toffoli, DD or Bernier.
Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@puck73, I think the people are ready!! this is good.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
@Stuart,
Without question Doughty is the Kings’ biggest piece that can be moved. He will attract a “King’s ransom of he were dealt. The team caan afford to move him if they acquire scoring.
I’m ready!
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freezer flatten Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@Michael J., doughty is the only puck moving defenseman we have. we have no speed as it is. i would think twice before moving doughty.
wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@puck73,
The Dude cannot abide.
I DO NOT want to lose Doughty. No way, no how. I’d rather lose Kopitar.
Drew Doughty will win the Norris and be Captain one day AND hoist the Cup here in LA. I truly believe that.
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mckinggolf Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@wavesinair, Totally disagree. Doughty is too selfish.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
@mckinggolf, Doughty is not selfish. While I don’t think he deserved 7 million YET, the rules are in place that allow him to get it. I believe the same with Kopi. I didn’t think he was worth it at the time and still don’t think that. Those are the rules of the CBA that we are living under. Maybe it will change in the next one. Dean argued about this very thing after the CBA was signed, the 2nd contract when players weren’t ready to get it yet.
HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
@wavesinair, You’re absolutely right, it’s easier to replace a 2nd line center then it is a good up and coming young D-man.
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rcinsc Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
@wavesinair,
The only way DD wears a “C” and lifts a cup in LA is if he’s playing on another team. The Kings started the season decently without him. IMO, his contract is an albatross in the locker room, and his play does not warrant the $7M contract. He reminds me of one Michael Cammellari a few years ago- popular with the fans, not so much with his teammates. Trade him now, while he still has some value, before everyone realizes he was a flash in the pan. Go ahead, start bashing…
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Jimmyo777 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
@puck73, I generally agree but let’s through Brown in the trade and get Johansen ????
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jamesonafterawin Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@puck73, I like it. Sanford is a solid backup. Bernier is wasting away as a back up.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
@puck73, Think you’d have to throw in the # 1 pick too
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
@Kings x,
Doughty and Bernier is too much….
If ANYHTING id do Bernier Lokti JJ…..But not Doughty Bernier. Just like stated, Doughty is too young right now to give up on. We locked this guy up for his potential, and to just do all this to trade him is not realstic…JJ is a guy we can lose to fill in with VV who just would have to work on his defensive game and body. Resign stoll for a paycut, hed be willing, and he can center or third line again ,and stoll is damn good 3rd line center.. Id hate to lose Lokti and im a huge fan of him, but Rick Na$h is simply the man, and Sanford is a good backup to Quick.
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Shotongoal Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
@puck73, The only trade that I would be happy seeing Doughty involved in would be one that included the names Stamkos, Giroux or Malkin. I would have traded the pick that became Doughty for Nash back then but not now. No way no how! Carter and Nash are too old for that trade now. I think, althought don’t think it would happen, but the Kings might be able to make a huge trade with CBJ for Nash and Carter that wouldn’t involve Doughty, but would have to include JMFJ and Voynov and Toffoli. Include Bernier, Lokti and a #1. The question then would be if it’s the right move for the Kings. Stoll and Penner would have to go elsewhere (TOR and PHL?) for low prospects or draft picks to work cap wise for the rest of the season. That type of scenario I could live with.
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MindGeyser Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
@puck73, Bad trade. The big question is: why acquire Jeff Carter? How many centers are you trying to put on the ice at once? It seems like a trade that’s trying to acquire name value for its own sake, and take the devil you don’t know over the devil you do.
Not to mention, there are two LONG contracts headed the Kings way. Better be sure rather than a move just to shake things up.
If there’s another way to acquire Nash, it should be sought.
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KingsFletch Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
@puck73, HORRIBLE TRADE. Lol give up Doughty. no. i love how everyone blames the guy for getting a big deal and wants to trade him. He deserves the money and he’s the best young defenseman in the league. lol get real
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King Cobra Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@KingsFletch, The guy does as much harm to us as good. He has not earned the right to be our highest paid player.
He is not Lidstrom, he is not Webber, but he sure gets paid like them.
Maybe?? Some day…Blah blah blah, so over this guy. Get rid of him. I am tired of seeing game losing goals scored after his missed hip checks! We blame him for not playing better..
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Shotongoal Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
@King Cobra, I would totally disagree with your opinion!
Shotongoal Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@KingsFletch, Doughty is the cornerstone of the future for this team, along with Quick, if he stays a Kings player. I want Nash and would take Carter at the right price, but NEVER if it included Doughty!
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King Cobra Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
@puck73, Sounds like a great idea for the Kings!
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So Penner, do you understand what your coach is saying??
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Sutter doesn’t sugar coat it, cause he knows Penner will just eat that too.
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Choralone Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@Jeffreyryan, Good one
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Exospeed Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
@Jeffreyryan, I LOL’ed and shot orange crush out of my nose!
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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
@Exospeed, Now that was hilarious…….. ROTFLMB off. I’d like to have seen that.
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for a guy whom by all accounts seems as dynamic and perceptive as any off the ice, penner is anything but resembling those characteristics on it…
i don’t get him…
every coach in the pros has had the same criticisms of penner, that he’s a loafer and tries when he feels like it…that for such a big guy, he doesn’t use his body as much as he should…this is not news to anyone and not to him either…
his former edmonton oiler coach craig mactavish had the infamous quote years ago…:
“When we signed Dustin we thought he’d be a top-two-line player. We thought the contract ($4.25 million average for five years) was a starting point for him, but he views it as a finish line. I can’t watch it, certainly not for another 2 1/2 years.”
and today, years later, sutter calls him out, yet once again, with…”“It’s not just giving him another shot. He’s a veteran. He better step up to the plate. It’s very simple. He went out of the lineup because he was horse(crap), so he’d better step up to the plate or he might not get another look. It’s simple. When we preach work and those things, and everybody does it, then he better do it.”
it’s always the same story with dustin…and now he has another shot to head in a positive offensive direction on a team needing him to show us something good tonight more than any other time…
if he’s not moved up to the top-six somewhere by either the second or early third periods tonight, then that will give everybody involved a telling indication of what direction penner has decided upon embarking on….
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
@variable,
Mactavish hints at the root.
Everyone else is still running the race. Penner finished a long time ago.
ZERO heart, ZERO passion on the ice.
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MindGeyser Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@variable, Penner is one of those players you see in every sport that are elite complimentary players. Meaning, they can achieve a high level of success, but only in a complimentary role, and only in their comfort zones. Like a dead-eye three-point shooter in the NBA. They do one thing well, and they need help to get there, but once they’re there, it’s lights out. I think Penner is one of those players.
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freezer flatten Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@variable, how about giving him someone to play with. his strong point is front of the net, yet they keep expecting him to be a playmaker.
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We should trade JB, JJ, DP, 1st rounder & a prospect for RN & JC.
Nash-kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Carter
Brown-Loktionov-Nolan
Clifford-Fraser-King
Doughty-Mitchell
Voynov-Scuderi
Green-Martinez
Quick
?
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CB14 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@mike in LA, There’s also the salary cap to deal with. That line-up doesn’t fit.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@CB14,
If the kings want both Nash and Carter they will need to move Doughty’s contract as part of that deal.
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CB14 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
@Michael J., Yup.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@Michael J., More like Kopitar not Doughty.
mike in LA Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
@CB14, Trade or waive Stoll. Hopefully that should do it.
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Kings '93 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
@mike in LA, Everyones on Stoll…look who he’s had for a line mate most of the season….Mr.Penner…..you can see the frustration on the guys face and he’s our best faceoff guy since Dave Casper back in the 80′s….if we lose him we lose any faceoff advantage we have against any of the teams we face…which arent many….and that huge against teams like Vancouver and San Jose who kick our butts in faceoffs already…especially in the playoffs where you need every advantage possible…keep Stoll…get Nash and Stoll becomes better…I guarantee it…..
Bama Kings Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
@mike in LA, You have to move DD to make that a reality, and then the cap works too. . .
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Michael J. Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@Bama Kings,
Wouldn’t that be ironic if Doughty’s contract, and all that went along in the process, ended up forcing him out of L.A.? He demands so much that the team cannot afford to keep him, acquire scoring, and re-sign Quick. The Kings are deep on the blue line. Therefore, enjoy the rebuild on Ohio Dewey.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
@Michael J., If we were to get Nash and Carter then Kopitar will have to go. No way do you pay 3 centers over 5 million with one getting close to 7.
Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
@Michael J., Exactly why he is hated by some and why JJ is respected by many
Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
@Michael J., DL would not of signed Drew to that contract if it affected the Cap too much and his inability to sign/re-sign players.
Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@Bama Kings, Not really. Here’s a post in the last thread I just did on the subject:
http://lakingsinsider.com/2012/02/18/saturday-skate-update-18/#comment-1134302
It’s not the initial post by me, scroll down to the answer I gave CB14.
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Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
@mike in LA, Actually, CBJ would have to move a goalie and I gotta believe it would be Sanford, although if they have given up on Mason, I’d take that as a backup. Both are solid to sit behind JQ.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@Cynic, Probably be Mason now with Sanford getting hurt and Mason/Coach fight.
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Cynic Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
@Jeff_R, Yeah, I just saw that Sanford is on IR. Mason’s a big guy. Either is cool with me, although hearing Sanfors & Son at Staples would be kind of fun.
Steve W Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@Jeff_R, Didn’t Patrick Roy get traded after he was pulled, and argued with his coach?
Jimmyo777 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
@mike in LA, You’re dreamig unless LA also throws in Brown
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Paul G Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
@mike in LA, If what your suggesting plays out the lines would look like this…
Nash-Kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Carter
Brown-Loktionov-Stoll
Clifford-Fraser-Nolan
Scuderi-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene
Quick
Zatkoff (but CBJ would probably include Sanford)
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Paul G Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
@mike in LA, to get both LA would need to trade JB, DP, JJ, JS and AM
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Don’t trade for Carter. He’s just another Penner – no hustle or true skill. Never really played w Richie in Phi b/c he’s a C too. Only sometimes on PP.
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Paul G Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
@apol21, i wont defend Carter’s hustle but i will defend his skill
if he would to join LA he’d be our best sniper
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@apol21, Penner may not have heart and he might be lazy and not want to work hard, however that is fine when you score 20-30 goals a season. I really don’t care about someones attitude if they are scoring 30+ goals a year. That is why I would be fine with Carter. I would be fine with Penner also if he had 20 goals however he only has 5. Carter’s last 3 seasons, not counting this one, he scored 46,33,36. If he became a King and scored that, I wouldn’t care about his off ice stuff or if he is lazy.
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King Cobra Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
@apol21, I guess he scored those 40 goals with no skill….
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damn Simmer… 8 in has last 9 games. Never would’ve happened with us…
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@Stuart, if we had Nash he might do it
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@Stuart, Stop looking into the past. You’re comparing apples to oranges based on the systems they play in. Kopi would be scoring 200 pts if he played in Philly. Ah, bad trade DL
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
@Kings x, not comparing anything, just relaying two facts.
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Nice goal by Simmonds. In front of the net again…
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neil Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@outsider, of course.its not the system..or the coach…or the G.M. ……Its on the players…..
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goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
@outsider,
Compare that goal with Lewis’s play in front of the net in the last game. Both got wide open net but Simmer made forehand – backhand move to avoid goalie’s pad but Lewis didn’t.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@goldielocks, Lewis sux
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
@Kings x, Al Murray sucks for picking Lewis instead of Chris Stewart or Claude Giroux.
Gotta love the trade deadline
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
@broncokings, Honestly want to come and go already
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I don’t know if Sutter ever played a chess game but rook can only go straight forward or sideways. He demands work ethic from everyone, and that’s a good phylosophy. But if his purpose is to make everyone equally a grinder, I don’t see any difference from TM.
What Penner made was a critical mistake in the defensive zone. I was also mad when I saw it. But you can’t win the game with all pawns. You need all kinds of pieces to win the game. If Sutter thinks the rook should not be used because it can’t move diagonally, he won’t win the game that many.
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@goldielocks, good post.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
@goldielocks, Sutter can only coach with what he is given. Right now there are basically no scorers, so it seems that all we have are grinders. Slot in a Nash and it would make Sutter’s coaching different.
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goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@Jeff_R,
The game of chess is about what you give up for what. That’s exactly the situation we are in. Nash undobtedly a good piece for the game but again it’s about what to give up. For that reason, I don’t like the idea of getting Nash at all cost. We do not have to play their game but our own game.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@goldielocks, At this point what is the matter what we give up. It isn’t like what we have is working any. Plus the way Dean drafted the last few years was so he could make a deal like this and replace whatever he lost with as good/better then what he gave up.
goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
@goldielocks,
It matters to me especially there is possibility that we may be able to get other good UFA in the summer with nothing to give up. I just don’t see this is a better deal even though chance of getting it done is better.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
@goldielocks, When have we gotten a Nash type ever in UFA? What makes you think that is going to change in the future? You can’t say no to a trade just because you are hoping to land a ufa, when the odds of us doing that are like nil.
goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
@goldielocks,
Slim chance to get Parise with nothing to give up, better chace to get Nash at all cost. Sounds at least fair trade to me. Have you bidden anything with e-bay before? I’m just currious.
goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
@Jeff_R,
And my post is about criticizing TM and DS for the use of players. I know you would bring up Nash every occasion but he is not an actual piece we got at the moment. So there’s no point arguing over it but I respect your opinion.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@goldielocks, Yes I bring up Nash because I feel he would help big time
. Anyway with respecys to what we have right now. One thing I have noticed is how hard it is for us to get the puck out of our own zone and it has been this way the last few years. Basically one guy goes to get the puck and everybody else leaves, making it hard to break out. With this we either end up losing the puck in the zone or on the long ass passes being made, because nobody comes back to receive a short pass. Then when we are in the offensive zone everybody stands around on the outside waiting for a pass, instead of going to the slot or net to receive a pass for a one time shot. Also nobody goes to the net so when a shot comes they aren’t there to get rebounds or tips. Nobody, even Kopi, wants to go to the so-called dangerous areas where most goals are scored from. I don’t know if this is a coaching thing, tactic, or if it is the players who won’t do it. You look at our team most everything is done by the boards, nothing ever goes to the net. Even when they come into the zone with speed they don’t go to the net, they curl around stopping at the boards. I don’t know why they don’t go to the slot/net. I do however think that if we got Nash he would go to the slot/net with abandon and hopefully that would incite the other players to follow. Right now there is nobody who does it, maybe they are gun shy or afraid of injury.
I also respect your opinion and even though we may differ, we all want the same thing. The Kings to score goals and win.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
@goldielocks, I have done bidding on ebay but not a lot. However if there is a chance we can get Nash, even with giving up assets, you have to take it. Even if there is a chance of getting Parise without giving up anything. You have to do whatever you can to make your team better. Sometimes, like in our case, you can’t afford to wait. With the whole “The Time is Now” the Kings needs to make some noise in the playoffs. Noise meaning at least the 2nd round. Unless NJ decides to trade Parise now, which in my mind I would go for Parise over Nash. I doubt that NJ trades Parise until before the draft, if they do so at all.
goldielocks Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@Jeff_R,
Don’t get me wrong. I want Nash to be a king. That’s why I’m chcking this blog every minute. He’s a dynamic player like you described. He will compete hard more than anybody and be willing to go to the area where no one in this team would go.
Since everybody thinks this team offensively challenged, I have a counter opinion. What if this team is not that bad offensively (at least talent-wise) but just so easy to defend for the opposing team? To me, every team, especially division rivals know where to concentrate their diffense. We have so few key guys who can make play or create the opportunity. Kopi and Richards. If you want keep them quiet, all you have to do is double-team them. When we don’t score any, I notice the space those two are given is very limited. With Nash joining, the space will open up some for sure because he attracts defense significantly. But we still don’t have any player to attract opposing defense in our bottom 6. If I were a coach of opposing team, I would concentrate the defense on 1st and 2nd line and let 3rd and 4th be cause they won’t score on us anyway even though we make a mistake or two. Let them buzzing around and consume their time.
That’s where I see the problem this team has. So even if we get 1 superstar, it won’t solve this problem that much. We need more depth in our bottom 6. For that reason, I don’t think time is now but maybe near future if we can ever solve this problem.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
@goldielocks, I agree with what you say and i think that is a big reason why we have the troubles scoring now, because teams are basically putting there top defensive line against our 1st line, making it hard for them to score. Then our 2nd line for some reason isn’t scoring either and that leaves the 3rd and 4th lines needing to score more then they are able too. I think adding Nash would get Kopi and our first line going consistently and that would make it harder for other teams to defend us, making it somewhat easier for our 2nd through 4th lines to score more consistently. Having Nash he will go to the slot/net, the so called dangerous areas to score and hopefully it will get the rest of the team to do the same. That would make it a lot harder to defend us, which it isn’t right now with our guys basically doing a ring around the rosy passing the puck around the corners and not going into the middle.
Paul G Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
@goldielocks, if anything the Kings breakout is to basic and straight-ahead
they need to stop being so focused on going north-south and focus on east-west and things will open up
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
@goldielocks, The problem is also the Kings have sold to us fans “The Time is Now” so to not fix this problem now and I doubt it would be fixed by standing pat, as through 58 games nothing has changed, would be detrimental. Fans will be furious if this team doesn’t make the playoffs and basically all that we have hoped for will go out the window. DL will be fired and we will be back to square 1. With the Kings raising season tickets as much as they have for a lot of people, they better get there act in gear and show that they are committed to winning now. They don’t have to win the cup, just show they will do whatever it takes to do so. A Nash trade, especially all that Dean has preached these last 6 years would do greatly for us fans to know they are committed. I don’t know if getting Nash will change things as it is a risk, but a risk worth taking. The Penner trade was a risk worth taking. It hasn’t worked out but it showed that Dean will take risks. I do believe that getting Nash will change our offensive woes and be the final piece of the puzzle.
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When is LA going to really see what this guy is all about??? He Does Not Care about playing here. He could care less what this team does, where it goes. By him being so lazy it speaks volumes. Number 1 is that he’s an incredibly lazy, stupid and self centered individual. #2 His work ethic is that of Jabba the Hut.
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Simarosa Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
@Hat trick,
You mention many of my thoghts about Penner, but I wouldn’t include stupid in my description of him though. It just doesn’t oomprehend with me, these guys who make millions a year and don’t appear to work hard. Any of us would be fired.
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FabKings Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
@Hat trick, the only thing wrong about what you typed is you misspelled HUTT, not fair to Jabba since we all get Penner right!
Go KINGS Go!!
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On a postive note for Penner, at least DS didn’t call him dog(crap). I would always want to be horse((crap) rather than dog(crap).
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jamesonafterawin Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
@DesertKing, Yeah, atleast horse crap can be used as fertalizer. Unfortunatly that’s all that can probley be gotten for him on the trading side of things.
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
@DesertKing, but if you’re horse, you’ve got farther to fall…
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Buster Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@DesertKing,
I wouldn’t want a flaming bag of either one on my front porch. Send that flaming pile of crap to Columbus where he can be appreciated.
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Any way of finding out if any Blue Jacket scouts are at the game tonight?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
@CabbagesAndKings, They were there the other night. They probably saw all they need to then. All defense and Goaltending but no offense. Columbus has all 3 problems so dealing with the Kings helps with 2 of them.
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Remember how good Bryz was with Phoenix, not the same with a Philly team that doesn’t play defense. (I’m tired of hearing how well Simmonds and Schenn are doing).
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Subby Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
@BluLiner, I do agree that we talk way too much about them but they are not to be ignored either.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
@BluLiner, This is why you don’t spend oogles of money on a goalie, sending away 2 of your best players and not concetrating enough on defense. They should of known that Pronger wouldn’t last and yet they went ahead with this plan anyway. It is now backfiring on them. Instead of spending for a mid level goalie and using that money they paid Bryz to fix there defense. It is wild how opposite the Kings and Flyers are. If we had the Flyers offense to go with our defense and Quick we would be unstoppable.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
@BluLiner, 2nd, 3rd and 4th that motion
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Why is it that many of us as fans are so into and fascinated by rumors and trades? Most rumors are fake and when a trade happens the hype doesn’t last nearly as long as it should given the energy and attention we give them.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
@Subby, Because we are so desperate as kings fans to get any sort of player(s) to help make our team a perennial contender to win the cup. If we were a top 4-5 team in the league we probably wouldn’t even care. It’s just about getting depth players for another run
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
@Kings x, Agree
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Does anyone know what happened to Simmonds? I saw he was playing with a jaw guard attached to his helmet, but didn’t hear an explanation.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
@KingMe20, Pregame warm up puck to the grill. 25 stitches I think
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I think tonight isnt just a last chance for Penner, I think it is for a lot of guys, lines, etc. I think we will start to see Sutter get angry and calling everyone out; of course he will point our the good, but its sad we are getting shut out and shutdown too. I think the frustrations are mounting on everyone, everything.
I hope they can clear their heads and get things going. I think that Sutter is ready for some revenge on his brother too, maybe he does care more about the riveraly than he lets on.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Mars, Unless Penner scores 20 goals in the last 24 games he isn’t going to be back. Not even sure he would be even with scoring the 20 goals. Most likely he will be gone in the deadline, especially if we get Nash or an equivalent.
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Stuart Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
@Jeff_R, can you imagine if Penner DOES score 10-15 goals from now until the end of the season??? he would manage to play 20 games for next seasons contract…somewhere else!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
@Stuart, If Penner plays the last 24 games like a house on fire, then he will have really conned who ever signs him to a multi year deal based on that (if that happens).
If I was Sutter I would not give Penner another minute of ice time period. He should of met Hunter’s fate.
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Check out the additional Pic Waves put on my blog post…gave me chills:
http://deepinsidethekings.com/2012/02/potential-nash-trade-broken-down-to-prevent-widespread-panic/
Towards the bottom. Awesome.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
…or you can just see the pic here:
http://deepinsidethekings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/nashkings.jpg
He looks good in the Uni, doesn’t he? (well, as good as one can look in those jerseys anyway)
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BluLiner Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
@wavesinair, too many Flyer jerseys in the crowd.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
@BluLiner,
Because it’s in Philly! Or is it? Hmmm….
(no, really it is)
BluLiner Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
@BluLiner, I agree, road whites.
LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@wavesinair, NIIIIIIIIICCCCCEEEE.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@Cynic, LOL. That is AWESOME. Kopi would be over the moon if we got Nash.
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jamesonafterawin Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
@Cynic, Ha! good grief!
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Subby Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
@Cynic, AHHH don’t put ideas in my head ];
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Can’t get enough of Sutter I love it!!!! Penned is horse crap! Nash time LA get ready
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Jeffreyryan Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@Luc, I’m trying not to get my hopes up.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
@Jeffreyryan, Get ready for disappointment. And the la kings have traded for jeff halpern for lewis and Richardson
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Thought Penner played pretty well before sitting.Hope he comes out of his funk and pots a couple. He looked good last year with Kopitar but might never see that again. Good Luck to Penner and the Kings tonite against Calgary.
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
@Stemmer, Take him out behind the barn and shoot the horsepuckey
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freezer flatten Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
@Stemmer, positive statement. i like it.
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OK, I get that Penner needs to do a lot better but I don’t get that Stoll isn’t getting the same excoriation. He hasn’t been doing anything this year either, with only two more points (assists) yet having played eight more games. During the first games Penner was playing injured and I don’t remember hearing that about Stoll. I felt that Penner was showing more during a number of the games than Stoll as well. I would just like to see equal treatment for these two.
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This is an interesting read from last week. Don’t know if anyone posted it here before.
Comparing The Oilers Rebuild To Dean Lombardi’s Work With The L.A. Kings
http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/02/11/comparing-the-oilers-rebuild-to-dean-lombardis-work-with-the-l-a-kings/
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
@wavesinair, Interesting but not sure why they are comparing the two teams. Edmonton got bad and were rewarded with 2 #1 picks (Hall and Hopkins). Kings while being bad were never able to get a #1 pick. How would we look with Stamkos instead of Doughty? I admit our defense may not be as good as it is now, but it would most likely still be top 10. Our offense with Stamkos/Kopitar would be much better off though. As for Hickey, yes it was a reach, but it isn’t like the players mentioned that DL could of picked instead has done a whole lot. Stamkos would of been a key pick and changed the way Dean did things with regards to our offense since then.
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Darryl Sutter insulted horse crap with that comparison to Dustin Penner
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Kings x Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
@Paul G, Horse crap rang up dog crap and complained in outrage!
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Maybe… just maybe.. we should take a chance.. Nash and Carter for Doughty. Now.. Before I get flamed, just gimme a chance. I’m well aware of doughtys skill. And his upside. But I feel like our defense can over come that. I feel like voynov will be just as great in time.. maybe I’m crazy. But it’s just an idea. Flame away!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
@Jeffreyryan, How are you going to play Carter as a wing. He isn’t happy playing there and I don’t think he has done well doing so. Trading Kopitar is the only way you get Carter and Nash.
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Good post about chess and using players’s strenths. I like what we’ve seen out of Nolan. He seems to have a nose for being in the right spot. Penner can’t be long for this team . Whatever effectiveness he can muster, a public flogging like that won’t do the chemistry any good. I’m not blaming Sutter; something has to give
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I am glad that someone has finally and forcefully called Penner out. You have gotta wonder what is wrong with the guy. He is paid over $4 million per year, but obviously neither appreciates nor cares how incredibly lucky he is. How anyone could hold out even a glimmer of hope that this waste of talent is going to turn it around is beyond me. Not just because it is the right hockey move, but because it is simply the right thing to do for organizational self-respect, Penner needs to be dumped and dumped now. His continuing presence in the organization sends a bad message to the other players, and is an insult to the fans who have waited so long and so patiently for the Kings to put a championship team on the ice.
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freezer flatten Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
@rick, most everyone on this team plays below expectations. dont just come down on penner.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
@freezer flatten, That’s true but Stoll and Penner get paid a lot to score and they haven’t done so this season. That means they get most of the ire from fans.
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This is it, Penner. Step up now or pack ‘em up. Don’t forget your pancakes.
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I’m liking Sutter more and more..
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Pili Reply:
February 18th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
@DBking, Me too.
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From Katie Baker on Grantland:
“I have to say: I had mostly assumed all the Penner piling-on was a bit overdone and melodramatic until I went to a couple of Kings games live. The only way I can explain his performance on the ice is that his uselessness had its own presence, like when a particularly overmatched substitute teacher walks into a room and you just know. Just about every time I scoffed in frustration over a missed puck, an out-of-position setup, a flubbed shot, I would look up and there he was: no. 25 lumbering around before me. Penner. It’s impossible to watch a Kings game without balling your hand into a fist at least once and hissing his name, Newman-style. He’s basically the precise opposite of Jeremy Lin.”
Nothing further need be said.
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Why does everyone think that a top UFA is going to sign in LA this summer as opposed to the previous summers? No one wants to be here still. The only way to acquire top talent here is to trade or draft for it. I’m totally down with getting rid of Doughty. Not like trading him to Columbus is actually going to hurt us. They wont be good for a very long time.
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