Trent Hunter, Alec Martinez and Dustin Penner were the extra skaters this morning, so it’s probable that Davis Drewiske will get a crack at the lineup tonight. Jonathan Quick was the first goalie off the ice, so he’s the designated starter.
Simon Gagne and Jarret Stoll both skated and did drills before practice, but did not participate in the skate. Stoll said he also skated for approximately 20 minutes yesterday. More notes and quotes to come…
interesting that Martinez + Penner are out and Nash + Carter were held out of CLM practice.
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Branzilla Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:40 am
@Dave, You’re grasping at straws there.
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Dave Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:42 am
@Branzilla, maybe
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DanD Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:40 am
@Dave, Penner has been called out by coach for not working hard, so he gets to sit til he figures it out. Nash & Carter were confirmed to have taken “maintenance” days today. Don’t hold your breath on any sort of trade.
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Dave Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:43 am
@DanD, no holding my breath – but it is interesting that two likely pieces of any trade to CLM are sitting the same day the two players LA would be interested in from CLM are sitting.
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PRMan Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@Dave, Three. Hunter was also mentioned prominently in the trade talks.
Belexes Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:52 am
@Dave,
I think that it’s more interesting about Carter/Nash taking a day off than Alec/Penns.
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@Belexes,
Its already been said it was a maintenance day for those guys. Superstar’s on the last place team. Any who, as much as i think the kings are in on Nash, and hope we get him. This deal isn’t going to happen until Feb 26th at the earliest. Maybe it will be a last min deal on the morning of Feb 27. It doesn’t make sense for CBJ to deal him before then. It helps drive peoples offers up.
Also, last time Deano wanted to ‘make a move’(Richards) was a player non of us expected. So lets see what happens. I think the obvious is; somethings going to happen.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
@Michael_DD8, Why should Columbus wait? There are what only 5 teams in this race? How are offers going to get better waiting? Plus it isn’t like there will be more teams in the off season, Nash has control of the teams Columbus has to talk to. It is only 5 according to Aaron Portzline. Really the only teams of the 5 that make sense are LA, SJ and Toronto. So that cuts down on the packages that can be put forward. There is not going to be much difference in Columbus’s case to wait until the 27th vs doing it now.
Cesar Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@Dave,
If i could only wish that would be possible
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eric Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@Dave, I think that has more to do with Martinez’s play than anything else. He’s been horrible. I’d much rather have a defensive minded d-man than Martinez, especially when they already have Doughty and Johnson…
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The Puck Stops Here Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@eric, Where’s Voynov? He’s a great two way D man.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@The Puck Stops Here, he’s in MAN right now.
DEH Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@The Puck Stops Here, chillin in MAN to avoid putting players on waivers
#unclewillyson Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@eric, I agree w/ your statement about amart. He simply is not as good as people make him out to be. Drewiske isn’t any better. The real question is WHY DID VOYNOV GET SENT DOWN. VOYNOV IS A STUD ON D.Both offensively and defensively.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@#unclewillyson, two words: waiver exempt… at least I think those are the two words
bbb7 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@#unclewillyson, You have to start paying attention to the numbers game and who can and cant be sent down and dont think every decision is based strictly on abilities.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@#unclewillyson, Then why did Sutter scratch him before he was sent down if he is so awesome? The fact is Voynov hasn’t played any better then Martinez. They both have made mistakes.
Canadian King Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
@#unclewillyson, We needed to make room for King and Nolan cause of the Stoll injury and Voynov is the only guy that we can send down who doesn’t have to clear waivers.
Drewiske, very interesting. Glad Hunter is sitting. Can we get for anything for him?
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Sebastian Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:46 am
@Kevco, bag of pucks might be asking too much
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steve Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Sebastian, on my NHL 12 team Trent Hunter has 12 goals and 8 assists………….. can that be mentioned in the trade agreement?
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DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:50 am
@Kevco,
New shovels for the Ice Crew?
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goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@DesertKing,
I say new bikini!
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DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:57 am
@goldielocks,
You can shovel shaved ice with a bikini? Hmmm, interesting.
goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:23 am
@DesertKing,
I like that move.
Deadendcruiser Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@goldielocks, I second that
Alan Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@Kevco, I’m not sure why Hunter is still on the team. I would rather have a youg kid playing
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@Alan, What young kid in Manchester is ready to come that hasn’t already? I don’t get why everybody is harping on Hunter yet nobody wants a great player like Nash. It is like Hunter doesn’t play and we will magically score.
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Alan Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@Jeff_R, Um easy answer my friend Marc-Andre Cliche
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
@Alan, Cliche, is that you??? get back to practice so someday you’ll get the call-up!
Big game tonight. Can’t waste opportunities like this to separate ourselves from the outsiders looking in!
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We should be ranked 6th after tonight!!! Go KINGS Go!!!
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kostamojen Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@Csaba Bhody, if we win, and Chicago loses, yes. But if we lose tonight (in regulation) Phoenix will overtake us and we drop to 8th. Kind an important game tonight, eh?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
@kostamojen, Knowing how the Kings and Coyotes play this will go to OT.
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Rumour mongering::
Interesting how Hunter and Penner are both potential scratches… considering they were the ones mentioned in “the rumour” this week.
Just saying its interesting. As lazy as Penner seems sometimes, he does NOT deserve to be a healthy scratch IMO. Not by a long shot.
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Jgomez Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:42 am
@VanKingsFan, I agree but the second line is playing well so there is no room for him. Too slow for 3rd line and not physical enough for 4th.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Jgomez,
Pefect!
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Steve C Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:46 am
@VanKingsFan, Where was Hunter ruomored to go ?
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kostamojen Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Steve C, Eklund reported Hunter was part of the Nash deal. Complete garbage.
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Steve C Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@kostamojen, I can see Trent ending up in Columbus (or NYI) as a free agent next season where he will likely get more ice time but NOT for Nash.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
@kostamojen, That is what Eklund was told. He only reported what he was told. You really think Eklund believed in his heart that the trade would go down as presented to him?
FabKings Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@VanKingsFan, I think he’s lazy every game, it’s not the exception, it’s the norm for him. For whatever reason he doesn’t put in the effort, too bad because I liked the trade last year too. But a guy that big and with a hood shot is spreading around the germ of laziness, and he’s not helping himself out either. He knows he’s gone in a couple weeks, I’m sure that’s what he’s hoping for.
All these so called pro athletes should be ashamed of themselves for not showing up every game and getting paid a ridiculous amount of money. I hope he turns his career around somewhere else, it sure ain’t gonna be as a KING.
Go KINGS Go!
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Can’t wait! Too much time between games for sure…
Good luck to DD2 tonight
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Has anyone’s season ticket prices increased more than 10 dollars a ticket? Looks like I wont be a season ticket holder anymore.
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King Alex Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@Chriskingsfan, I have a 10 game weekend package and my renewal actually went down $1.00 a game if I renew by 03/24/12. I am in Section 317, Row 7 on the aisle
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lilcarp Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
@Chriskingsfan, Mine went up the same amount. When I was speaking to my ticket rep a few weeks ago he mentioned that the Kings have started dymanic pricing which means that they raise the price for games with high demand, but it doesn’t apply on season tix. Since most games have sold out this year they must figure they can make more money by having more stock available that they can raise the price on than they make off season ticket holders.
The quote I saw in the paper from one of their people was basically that if the ticket cost is now too high people can move to cheaper (worse) seats. In other words, if you don’t like it, step aside because there’s enough demand to make up for losing you.
I’ve decided to be angry about this. While I recognize that this is basic supply-and-demand stuff that justifies the increase as a business decision, it feels like they’re giving season ticket holders a great big middle finger for having stuck with them through some pretty bad seasons. Unless I find someone interested in splitting the season with me, I’m probably going to give up my seats.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@lilcarp, maybe the seats will start to look like they do in TOR, more suits and empty “corporate” seats then actual fans… shame, really.
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Alright Whiskey! Bout damn time he got a shot. The couple times he played this season he did fine. Go get em Davis!
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SSE6 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:57 am
@puck73, Davis is on a hot streak. He has scored 2 goals in his last 3 games played. Although that was in December…
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
@puck73, That was alot of dissembling by DS.
Knowing what we know about our Merle Haggard-lovin DS, it’s obvious that DS just realized all the “Whiskey” banter was about Davis. With a nickname like Whiskey, he’s got to be good.
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Kingstradamus Update:
For any of you interested, there are a few slots open to join our blogger prediction panel. I’m adding some players for the final 25 games. You’d start out at the bottom of the standings, but there is PLENTY of time to crack the Top 10 and make the playoffs!
Read more here: http://deepinsidethekings.com/
Comment or email me if you want in.
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Bay area kings fan Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@wavesinair, I’d like in…
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wavesinair Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@Bay area kings fan, [
comment over there with your score prediction for tonight’s game and a sentence why. i’ll add you to the list for the next game.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@wavesinair, I made a comment, do you move it up to the list?
wavesinair Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
just sent you an email. yeah, i’ll put it on the list.
wavesinair Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
@Bay area kings fan,
Just re-read this… you’re in for tonight’s game if you choose. Sorry if that was confusing.
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Designated starter?……same as designated hitter?……..this aint baseball
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side note – by ‘skating’ Rich really meant ‘didn’t fall over despite a large stack of pancakes digesting’ with regards to Penner
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when is the trade deadline? reading all of these posts about trade rumors is almost as annoying as reading peoples line combination suggestions every day. after the trade deadline, i believe the roster is expanded so they can call back players like 26.
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Canadian King Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
@yetiman_oc, Feb 27
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People talk about Nash as if he is our god given birthright.
Just simmer down and let’s see if we can score another 4 goals tonight. I have a great feeling about this team and believer we have not yet hit our stride. We will score more goals down the stretch!!!
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Sebastian Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Munchrat, A couple months ago everyone wanted to trade for Parise. i cant wait till the trade deadline passes so i dont have to see the ridiculous deals people propose.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@Sebastian,
I agree. Lets trade for Nash and Parise
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King Alex Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@DesertKing, I concur, We can give the Penns, Whiskey, Hunter, Stoll, Hickey & Zatkoff. That should be enough to land both!
Brown – Kopitar – Nash
Gagne – Richards – Williams
King – Lokitonov – Nolan
Clifford – Lewis – Richardson
Wouldn’t that be fun[;
We would never be able to fit under that cap though.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am
@Subby, Not convinced Gagne will be back… I would also keep Nash at his natural LW position.
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Subby Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@VanKingsFan, Oh I was wondering that, I didn’t know if Nash had a preferred wing.
Ok so throw Nash on Left, Brown on right and put Gagne on long term and throw Carter on that wing with Richards to have the Philly connection.
and the bottom two lines who can play with a lot.
Also conder Lokitonov as possible player in a deal for Nash and or Carter.
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Subby Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@Subby, I can’t type for crap
Jimmyo777 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@Subby, Except for Brown…Trade him as he is useless and taking up bench space
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Gmo Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@Subby,
Gagne should retire, I don’t think even if he comes back he will be the same. He is also prone to a recurring injury. Just hang them up and don’t put your long term health in jeopardy
GKG
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Getting Nash would be awesome, and I think the kings do have the players that could make a trade work (penner, hunter, bernier, and maybe a draft pick). But the thing with Nash is that he has a huge salary cap hit, which I’m not sure the Kings can afford (after taking on Richards, and having to resign Quick next year)
Hopefully something big happens and the Kings can make it deep in the playoffs, but I think they are kind of limited right now as of Cap space
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Blurker Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@kopitaristheman, It’s been pretty well reported that CBJ is looking for blueline help to go with the goaltending they need.
I’m expecting JMFJ to be included in any deal going towards Columbus in exchange for Nash. And BTW, no one is taking Penner in any deal when the head coach has publicly called him out for effort.
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fsd1 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:20 am
@Blurker, uh, we did didnt we?
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Blurker Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@fsd1, I don’t recall the Oilers coach calling him out for effort, and I’m pretty sure he had more than 4 or 5 goals for the season when we traded for him.
Kenny44 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@Blurker, MacTavish did (the previous EDM coach)
DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Blurker,
Penner is good at ping-pong. That should count for something.
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Duncanz Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
@DesertKing, Correction! Horcoff beat him in straight sets in that game last deadline day..
DanD Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@kopitaristheman, The Blue Jackets are NOT going to trade Rick Nash in a package that includes 2 useless, upcoming UFAs (Penner, Hunter). IF the Kings made a deal for Rick Nash, JJ & Bernier would have to be includes, along with a mid to top tier prospect + a pick. Would do that in a second to get Mr. Nash.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@DanD,
The Jackets would almost HAVE to take Penner to make the deal work. Getting Penner wouldnt be about helping the blue jackets, it would be about clearing space on the Kings to make room for Nash, and Penner would just walk away at year end, or re-up if he finds his magical touch again on a basement team. He’s not a long-term solution or problem for any team that acquires him.
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DanD Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@FKA PakiFro, By that logic, the trade would never happen then. Nobody is going to take Penner off our hands if they are trading their best player in the deal, just to help us clear salary. It doesn’t make sense.
Belexes Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@FKA DanD,
May not make sense, but it happens alot.
FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@FKA DanD,
I’m not saying Penner/Stoll for Nash. I’m saying whatever package (JB, JJ, or whoever) would also have to INCLUDE Penner to make the deal work. Otherwise, the Kings don’t have cap space.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
@FKA PakiFro, Remmeber when we got Jack for Belanger and Gleason. We ended up taking Tverdovsky off of Carolina’s hands. Anybody can go in a trade especially in a package. Even if useless. It is called a throw in. Columbus isn’t taking him off the Kings hands to be a permanent Blue Jacket. It is just to give them extra bodies to finish the season. Then he can go bye bye.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
@FKA PakiFro, It is also the same reason that DL signed 5 guys that one year. Only 2 of them Zeus and Preissing got 4 year deals. The other 3 got 1 or 2 yr and were only brought in to fill a roster with able bodies. if they worked out and were re-signed all the better if not who cares. It is just to fill space until you can get replacements. In Penner and Stoll’s case it would just be until April.
Listening to Tim and Sid on the Fan 590…What does everyone think of 4 on 4 hockey for the entire game…
Listening to their arguments I almost want to agree with them. Wow it would be exciting, end to end hockey. 6-5 Games galore. 8-7 games..
You would have to throw away the record books, but who cares! The game has changed so much over time anyways its impossible to compare 70s players to 90s players to 40′s era players.
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Subby Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@VanKingsFan, I play roller and ice but on roller I hate that its 4 on 4. Scoring is up but play making is decreased.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@VanKingsFan,
I’m not sure I’d like that, nor would the players. 4 on 4 would be a job killer. I wouldn’t mind seeing the NHL expand the rinks to olympic size, though that would be a seat killer, which the owners would hate.
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The Puck Stops Here Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@VanKingsFan, I’d be cool with 4 on 4 for OT until someone scores as opposed to 5 minutes of 4 on 4, then a shoot out. At least it would resemble hockey.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@The Puck Stops Here,
I like that idea. I can’t imagine no goals being scored for longer than ten minutes if they did go that route.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@FKA PakiFro, giving up 2 goals would be the new shutout…
DanD Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@VanKingsFan, Yeah, 4 on 4 for the entirety of the game just changes the way the game is played WAY too much. All for the 4 on 4 in overtime to increase the likelihood of an OT winner, but not for the whole game.
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Shotongoal Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@VanKingsFan, NO
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
@VanKingsFan, Not sure the Players association will go for that.
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I hope this Nashism will stop once the game starts. I’m officially anit-nashism! j/k.
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hockeynerd Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am
@goldielocks, agreed its exhausting
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kingszzz Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am
@goldielocks, not if we lose 2-0
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goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@kingszzz,
That would start “We want Nash!” chanting, wouldn’t it?
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:20 am
@goldielocks, would that make me a Nascist? LOL
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goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@Stuart, LMAO!
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DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@Stuart,
Hey, no politics! oh, wait a minute…. nevermind……
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I say we trade Quick, if he sucks in playoffs again. His value will be higher, thus not having to include more high value pieces to the package. Bernier is just as good, if not better than quick.
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lakingbob(chi) Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@#unclewillyson, What??
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Harry Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@#unclewillyson,
Bernier hasn’t proven much. Yes, he hasn’t got the starts as he probably wanted…however, Quick has saved us ALL YEAR LONG. I wouldn’t give up Quick so fast.
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Belexes Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:51 am
@#uncleTrollyson,
Um, no. Just no…
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Shotongoal Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@#unclewillyson, Heeeey @Poorman is that you?!
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King Alex Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:53 am
@#unclewillyson, Is this you, Poorman???
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King Alex Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@King Alex, I just asked what Quick would be worth on the trade market a few days ago (I would sign him long term at just about any cost) and some people completely freaked out. @BamaKing first reaction was to want to insult me so he just stopped typing.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
@#unclewillyson, You think Quick sucked last season against the Sharks? Quick is our Goalie especially since Nash is coming and Bernier is going
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JD Reply:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:12 am
@#unclewillyson, Couldn’t agree more, in a year quick is going to eat up about 5 million more in cap space, than bernier, that’s if DL wants to spend that much on a goalie, seems like alot of teams are getting away from the high price tag goalies. If we traded Quick now we at least get something for him. Do it dean
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Newest trade rumor, courtesy…ME:
To LA: Nash and Carter
To CBJ: Bernier, Martinez, Loktionov, Stoll, Penner, a high draft pick, and a conditional draft pick.
Wishful thinking, eh!
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Harry Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@bmova,
So what do you do when Quick doesn’t re-sign with the Kings if they don’t give him the lets say 6+?
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bmova Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@Harry, Cross the bridge when you get there. If that deals go through (and I HIGHLY doubt it will), it puts LA right up there to win a cup either this or next. That would be incentive for JQ to want to resign at a reduced rate.
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JD Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
@bmova, Don’t think DL is a cross that bridge when we get there guy, I don’t think he’ll put himself in a position where he could loose both quick and bernier, any anybody that thinks quick is going to resign with the kings because he’s a good guy might be disappointed, this is a business
LA_1968 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@Harry, The other side to that is what about two wasted seasons of Bernier from now until Quick signs or doesn’t? Bottom line is we’re pretty set in them middle and D/Goalie. At wing we lack. In fact on D and Goalie we have extra guys by any standards. At some point soon DL needs to parlay the extra body on D and Goalie into the wing. If he waits to do anything until two summers from now to try to sign quick we will have burned two seasons of the guys we already have set.
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JD Reply:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:20 am
@LA_1968, Agree, dont know if they can just let bernier just continue to sit there, maybe next season they could actually let bernier play some games, and find out how good he really is, if he is a number 1goalie, then DL can decide if the team is better off with quick at a 7 million or so cap hit, or with bernier with a cap hit of under 2 million
hockeynerd Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@bmova, Does anyone think Nolan or King would be included in a trade? reading DS comments regarding them yesterday, if they continue to contribute and improve, it will still come down to a numbers game, be a shame to see either of them get buried in the minors and if we do acquire Nash and or Carter their chances don’t look too promises cutting the line up, hopefully this not the case as we have two capable young players at dirt cheap. I would like to see room made for them, unload the dead weight.
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bmova Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
@hockeynerd, Maybe that’s also why they’ve both been brought up; to be showcased. But if either is involved in any trade, he certainly won’t be the centerpiece. As mentioned by Jeff_R, CBJ wants a goalie (Bernier), a defenseman (I’d rather trade AM as opposed to VV, but either one could work; I definitely don’t want to see JJ go), and obviously forwards. I know Hunter and Penner don’t count. But that’s why I say thrown in Stoll and Lokti; both are expendable. Draft picks also seem to be necessary in deals.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
@bmova, I think that Columbus is going to want at least 2 top guys in any package. Columbus needs a #1 goalie (Bernier), #1 defenseman (Voynov) and a top forward. Now that top forward they would love Brown I’m sure. They are however getting 2 out of 3 in our list plus Penner whom they can either swap or let last the rest of the season. They can then trade Carter for forward help. So this is my Nash proposal….
Kings
Nash
Sanford
Columbus
Bernier
Voynov
Penner
Hunter
1st Round Pick
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@Jeff_R, not enough proven roster-ready guys (DP and TH do not count)… it would stick on DB or JJ, IMO. Depends what CBJ would want.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
@Stuart, Possibly but I am sure the only sticking part for DL, if a trade was about to be made the other day and has not happened yet, is that DL doesn’t want to include JJ. Maybe if you add Matt Greene in the mix that would work. Defense and Goaltending are Columbus’s biggest problem. They could get more offense trading Carter/Penner. Not sure DL would want to trade Dustin Brown either. Maybe he puts in Loktionov.
goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
@Stuart,
The Blue Jackets are said to want at least one young roster player along with a combination of top prospects and quality draft picks.
http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/stories/2012/2/16/whats-the-price-for-nash.html
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
@goldielocks, then def not MG. JJ or VV? give an offensive ranch hand (Kozun since he has no dynamic in him lol) our pick and get the presser ready already!!!
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
@goldielocks, While it has been mentioned that that is what Columbus is after, it will be a little bit different what they end up with based on which team they deal him to. I expect that if he goes to NY then they will have to put in like a Dubinsky, Stahl, etc. San Jose would have to give up a Couture, Pavelsky and one of Vlasic/Demers and Greiss. Both SJ and NY are real close to the Cap so they are both going to have to give up a lot from there roster to get Nash. Is that worth it to upset the chemistry they have. As for the kings they have a lot in terms of 1 or 2 Nhl guys, prospects and pick to choose from and in LA’s case they have no offensive chemistry to mess up so that won’t matter to us.
bmova Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@Jeff_R, Why not Loktionov? I don’t get why no one seems to be throwing his name out there. God knows we have enough centers.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
@bmova, Was writing that and you beat me to it
Canadian King Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
@bmova, We wouldn’t have the cap space next year to fit those two in, we could throw in JJ instead of Martinez and the cap would work, then when Quick is up just give him Gagne and Scuderi money with some left over.
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bmova Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Canadian King, Where in Canada are you from? I’m out west in Vancouver (and I hate the Canucks!!!).
With Stoll and Penner, that’s almost $8M gone. Lokti, Hunter, JB and AM make about $3.5M combined. That’s $11.5M in cap hits gone. Nash and Carter together have a $13M cap. If we put Gagner on Long-Term IR, that eliminates his $3.5M cap it. DONE AND DONE!!!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
@Canadian King, I am sorry to say but if we trade for both Nash and Carter then it most likely is going to have to be Kopitar that goes in the package. We already have a thousand centers. It won’t work cap wise unless Kopitar goes and then you slide Carter into Kopi’s spot.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@Jeff_R, that’s where I pull out… i don’t want Carter at all.
bmova Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
@Jeff_R, I was only thinking Carter b/c I thought he played wing with MR in Philly. But no way give up Kopi.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
@Stuart, I am not at your point where I say Kopitar no way. I am stuck in the middle. It is hard to put him into a trade proposal, but if you look long at hard and don’t go by your heart it makes sense. It would also be the hardest thing DL would ever have to do. The problem lies in the fact that you don’t know which way Kopitar is going to go and whether or not just by getting Nash, a top 3 winger, would turn Kopitar’s career around. I am hoping like you, that is the case. However we are basically in the same spot as we were 3 years ago in terms of Kopitar staying the same in his 6th year. I am hoping he is a late bloomer and all it needs is for him to play with a top 3 winger. If we get Nash I am hoping it turns Kopi around, but what if it doesn’t? Well that is another story, but it makes you think which is better in this case. Brain over Heart and Emotion.
It’s been publicly stated that CBJ wants JJ, bernier, a first liner, and a first round pick for Nash so why would they take hunter, Penner, or Martinez in any deal? That’s ridiculous
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:59 am
@KH, link please to these “public” statements?
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KH Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Stuart, https://twitter.com/mayorNHL/status/169545885926166528
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King Alex Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@KH, It must be true if a well placed source told someone on Twitter!
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@KH, if it was a low round pick 4< then I'd do it. yesterday!
Newf Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@KH, penner is a 1st liner if you put him in pee-wee hockey.
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tornado12 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
@KH, that is way too much to give up for Nash.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@KH, While I think that is a good package for Nash, I would take Johnson out and insert Voynov. Adding Penner and or Stoll would make it so the Salary’s come close to matching, plus Columbus can easily get rid of Penner, Stoll or Hunter or all 3 if they are sent in the trade.
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I hope Stoll takes his time healing, seems like we play better in his absence. One side note……
There is no way in hell Nash is worth 7mil and theres no way in hell we aquire him on those terms
big pipe dream. So I would suggest we dream of an alternative.
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When did Rick Nash become a hockey god? Reminds me of the kovalsuck rumors everyone here had a you know what for….
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Gary Livingston Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@Lake Forest,
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