Does Darryl Sutter participate in scoreboard watching? Yes. Apparently, he’s also a Merle Haggard fan. Sutter was refreshingly candid today when asked whether he closely tracks the other teams in the Western Conference playoff race. Tonight, 10th-place Colorado — five points behind the Kings — is at Vancouver while Anaheim, still not out of it, plays at Pittsburgh. Before the Kings hit the ice tomorrow night, they can keep tabs on four relevant games: Chicago at the New York Rangers, San Jose at Tampa Bay, Winnipeg at Minnesota and Calgary at Dallas. And, of course, every other team will be watching the Kings (seventh place, 65 points) host Phoenix (eighth place, 63 points).
SUTTER: “Anybody who says they’re not (scoreboard watching) is going to have some time up there, when they get to the gates… [laughs] Anybody who says they’re not, they’re not telling you the whole truth. What’s the old Merle Haggard song, `The only one I’m not in trouble with when I get up there is, thou shall not kill.’ [laughs] Everything else is going to take a while. You know, all you hope for is not three point (games). I stayed here late last night and watched four games. I wanted to see Detroit break the record. I wanted them to win it so they could enjoy it for the last few minutes, and not just at the buzzer.’’
Nobody died.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
@Munchrat, Penner is in a Pancake Coma!!!!!
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Wow! Watching Boston vs. Montreal and saw something new – matching goaltender interference calls, one at each end.
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What you guys think???? I say past the Nash bait and just look for the team that WILL have the highest draft pick and go after the highest slot left-winger!!
The team just needs a different philosophy to get going offensively.
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vinny Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
@rogiesbackup,
ya im hoping nothing happens with that..i wanna see “homegrown” talent!
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rogiesbackup Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
@vinny, Yes. Seems there are many people who feel the same way we do.
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When we win the cup “We’ll all bee drinkin that free bubbleup and eatin’ that rainbow stew”.
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When we win the cup “We’ll all be drinkin that free bubbleup and eatin’ that rainbow stew”.
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If the Sucks win tonight, they’re leading 2-1 with about 8 minutes left in the third, they would only be 6 points out of a playoff spot. That’s pretty amazing considering their horrible start.
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brian spain Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
@CB14, Perry may have a broken wrist, that was a wicked slash. My buddy is a Ducks fan and can’t understand why they didn’t call the slash. I told him because the same ref watched Perry slash at the goalie. They are letting the guys play big time. Selanne was offside on the second goal if you ask me.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 6:23 am
@brian spain, By about 2 feet!
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Forum gold Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
@CB14, Looks like we have a heck of a game coming up on March 3rd. GO KINGS GO!!!
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Deke'r Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
@Forum gold, …it’s a must win….
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goldielocks Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
@CB14,
I was watching the game. They are playing really good hockey. Hiller is solid, Getzlaf and Perry are connecting. They look like one of the best hocey teams right now.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
@CB14,
Puck73 was prophetic when he talked about how much the quacks would miss Lubo and Blake when they went down with their injuries. Look at how they have improved since both guys have been back. It goes to show how having just a couple of key guys go down can really hury you. Makes me wonder what the season would have looked like with a healthy Gagne and Parse.
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SLIM Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
@Michael J.,
I think you might want to consider also
Giving Coach Boudreau some props here as well..
Took him a while..But he certainly has righted this ship or barge..
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KC23 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:10 am
@SLIM, Except pretty much the same thing happened last year. Puck73 was dead on. Ducks are very good when their healthy, but have no depth. Any injuries to key players on the top 6 forwards or top 4 d.
I still don’t think the Ducks will make it.
mrbrett7 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 6:24 am
@Michael J., Wasn’t exactly rocket science to figure that one out.
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Kopis contract was ridiculous thanks to AEG pressure….Doughty’s contract is ridiculous…thanks to AEG pressure….Because Quick is your best player this yea,r (thanks to DL keeping him)…..he’s going to want more money than Kopi and Doughty…that leaves you with not alot to sign someone like Nash who makes $7mil…the mistake was paying Kopi too much in the first place.
And that’s the way it is.
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DuckHunter31 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
@tellmeY,
Makes all the more sense to trade Doughty to pay for Quick’s next contract. Maybe even pick-up some quality offense in the process….or move Doughty to wing?
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California Royalty Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 5:49 am
@DuckHunter31, Typical Post
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
@tellmeY, I was born wrong, but quick doesn’t seem like the type of guy where money is everything. I’m hoping I am right and he resigns for something that doesnt break the bank. He’s not like other professional athletes coughDDcough
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Duncanz Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
@Lake Forest, That’s what agents are for!
- Let’s just hope he doesn’t have Scott Boras in his corner by then..
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KC23 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 am
@Lake Forest,
Quick may not seem like the money guy, but his agent makes a living at talking guys like Quick and DD why they should hold out for as much as possible. I think one of the main reason I’ve grown to like JJ despite is horrid plus/minus is how he helped the Kings by doing his own contract.
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The Puck Stops Here Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:55 am
@tellmeY, You think Kopitar is overpaid?! If he wasn’t consistently the top scorer on the team, and one of the best defensive forwards, I’d agree. I really don’t see Quick getting Kopi money. My guess is the Kings will lock him down in the $4-5M range. Then again, WTF do I know? I thought DD was worth $5.5M.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:08 am
@The Puck Stops Here,
I totally agree with you about the DD money, but if $7M is what someone is willing to pay you then I guess that’s what you are worth…
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:53 am
@The Puck Stops Here, Pekka Rinne got 7 million a year from Nashville. Whom do you think is better? Quick or Rinne? That will tell you what Quick is worth.
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Which player, both are the same age, would you want?
Rick Nash – 18 goals, 21 assists, for a total of 39 points in 59 games. A plus/minus of -22. On a team with the 28th ranked offense in the league.
Player X – 21 goals, 18 assists, for a total of 39 points in 62 games. A plus/minus of -12. On a team with the 27th ranked offense in the league.
You decide.
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
@CB14,
You know the more I think about it , 18 goals in 59 games is really nothing to write home about even on a team ranked 28th in scoring for what he’s making I would expect more like 25 goals after 59 games.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
@CB14, I say nobody!!! Keep Bernier and all and put pressure on our “stars” AND COACH to make the offense happen!
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Osaka Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
@rogiesbackup, The squeeze water from the rock technique, it didn’t produce scoring in 57 games but will now? I don’t think we need a superstar but a warm body or two would help. What a difference just having Nolan and King made for Richard’s line.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
@Osaka, Exactly!!! We have talent in our organization and young guys like Taffoli coming up. We don’t really need to look elsewhere!! Why we picked up Hunter and Moreau STILL makes me scratch my head!!
The Puck Stops Here Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:04 am
@Rogiesbackup,
Funny how hindsight is 20/20. I was all over this blog when those two got signed, and not a single person complained about their contracts. The consensus thought that gritty 4th liners at such a low expense was a good move. It’s easy to look back now and make an argument that it was a bad move, especially Moreau.
Osaka Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
@CB14, Nash and Penner aren’t near the same player, that proves that stats don’t tell the whole story. Vancouver, Boston, Toronto, Philly, NYR…. don’t want (and didn’t want) Penner. If you had to pick a Kings’ player on Nash’s level I think Kopi would be a fair comparison although they are different types of players.
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CB14 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
@Osaka, I agree, and I’m not trying to say they were close to equal at that point last year, but it doesn’t make me feel good to see those stats be so close to each other. Add in the fact that their stats the previous year were also nearly identicle and it makes me worry a little bit about the Kings potentially acquiring Nash.
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Osaka Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
@CB14,If you look at any player in the league they could be picked apart( Maybe not Malkin). Nash is probably a guy I would worry about the least if the Kings were to make a big jump. Other names like Carter, Sharpe, Kane….. I would be much more concerned about. I think Nash would be a force playing with either Richards or Kopi. I’m not saying we need him, but I wouldn’t mind him in a Kings uniform at all. If he goes to another team, I hope it is in the East, I do not want SJ getting him.
CB14 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
@Osaka, Carter worries me a TON. Sharp a little less, and Nash less then both of them. Part of my concern with Nash are the stats I showed, and his contract. His 7.8 million dollar cap hit for another 6 years is huge. I would be the least worried about Kane myself, and if Bernier were playing more often this season I wouldn’t be surprised to have seen a JJ and JB for Kane trade. Chicago needs a goalie and another top 4 d-man, the Kings need a top line winger. Although my speculation is moot because I doubt Chicago would want such an inexperienced goalie to lead them into the playoffs.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:06 am
@CB14, yeah, having that guy, forget his name…Niemi, with all of his 42 under his NHL belt didn’t work out too well them, huh?
just sayin
PaulHB Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:29 am
I don’t know if you guys listen to San Diego’s XTRA sports talk on AM but Lee “Hacksaw” Hamilton just reported on 2 rumors regarding the Kings….
The first is the one we all know about. Nash to LA for Bernier, Brown, and Voynov. I’d make that trade any day of the week if I’m the Kings and twice on Sunday! Do it now Dean!
The other is Patrick Kane to LA for Bernier? Straight up? What do the Kings need with another “#1″ center? Although I’m not convinced Kopitar, Richards, or even Kane are true “#1″ center. To me a #1 center puts up 80+ points a year and about 60 assists. I don’t see any of those guys doing that on a yearly basis. But if the Kings want Kane, are they going to trade Kopitar or Richards? Or is someone moving from center to wing?
I’d make the Nash deal now. I don’t know if I’d make the Kane deal. It depends on how he would fit with the rest of the team?
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:32 am
@PaulHB, in a NY second I would make that RN trade. DB would be the only roster spot we lose. Done and DONE
LA_1968 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
@CB14, X = Penner last year. Still blows my mind how he could have those stats. About Nash… the writer from the NY Post wrote that his internal source said Columbus wanted a young 20 goal scoring center (I forgot which one), a guy who looks real good but is in college still, and a first rounder. To me, Bernier, JJ, and a first rounder stacks right up with that if not better. Plus our first rounder will be in the middle and not the pick right before the 2nd round if from the NYR. Anyway, that was the only place I saw a asking price for RN. I want him if that’s the cost.
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CB14 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
@LA_1968, Yup. I think the asking price for Nash will be higher then that, mainly because there’s no one else available via trades. There’s Nash and Carter and that’s about it as far as forwards go. Something tells me he goes nowhere this season.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
@CB14, Smart money is on him being traded in the offseason anyway. Nash is a class guy and won’t be a baby if he stays the rest of the season in Columbus. By then more teams will be able to buy which would be better for Columbus. However, if he does move inside the deadline the Kings are way more likely to be able to get him. I still like JJ for Sharp.
DesertKing Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
@CB14,
So who’s Player X and can we get him?
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CB14 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
@DesertKing, I think it will be best if I don’t tell you who player X is.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
@CB14,
I checked in NHL 12 and there was no one named Player X? Is he from Czechoslovakia? Whats his cap hit? What is his favorite flavor of syrup?
friarking Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
@CB14, There is no player x?????
GoringFan72 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
@CB14, I think he is related to Racer X.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@CB14, I think Player X is Mikus.
CB14 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
@friarking, He disappeared once he got traded to the Kings last year.
@Desert King, He’s more like a figment of your imagination. He hails from a land far far away called Canada. His cap hit is 4.250 million. He prefers Aunt Jemima.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:31 am
@CB14,
Is he from Planet X? Does he know Godzilla? If we got rid of Penner, we could then afford Player X
California Royalty Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 5:51 am
@CB14, Rick Nash every time
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mrbrett7 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 6:32 am
@CB14, Nash, and it’s not even a question. One bad year does not make a career.
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KC23 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:23 am
@CB14, Just like I would never pick a mutal fund based on one year, I would never pick a veteran player based on one year.
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:39 am
@KC23,
Nash…Didnt even read all the reply’s, or have any idea who “player X” is suppose to be. There is only about 5 players you can put for PLAYER x to change the fact that Nash is the guy i want, and the guy you SHOULD want lol..
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A couple interesting takes on Nash being over rated with comparisons to Iginla: http://leafshq.com/2012/02/14/just-say-no-to-rick-nash/ and http://canucksarmy.com/2012/2/15/rick-nash-and-the-vancouver-canucks-this-is-not-a-fit
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Gary Livingston Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
@Gary Livingston,
Another good read:
http://www.fiveminutesforfighting.com/2012/02/pointcounterpoint-trading-farm-for-nash.html
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Osaka Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
@Gary Livingston, Every counterpoint could be made for Kopi. What would you trade for Kopi?
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
@Osaka, If the Kings were last in almost every stat and standings, what would acceptable for Kopi? We’d need bodies with some upside. Say 3 and hope two add up to half as good as Kopi.
Gary Livingston Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@Osaka,
Except. Kopitar isn’t 27 and has a lot of potential to develop further. He’s hasn’t reached his prime yet.
Nash has it seems.
rogiesbackup Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
@Gary Livingston, This is exactly why I would be concerned if Kings considered Nash.
Counterpoint: Franchise players should be great regardless of the talent that surrounds them. In fact, the truly elite players in the NHL are able to elevate the play of their linemates. Nash hasn’t done that.
Besides any good defensive team / system can shut down a Nash or a Stampkos.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
@rogiesbackup, Not like Kopi has done it either!!!!! If Kopi is a true #1 Center it shouldn’t matter who his Wingers are.
Deke'r Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
@Jeff_R, ….Kopi plays a much better two way game….
Jeff_R Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
@Deke’r, Kopi isn’t being paid 6.8 million to play defense. I do agree with you, but he did not get his cap hit based on defense. Also Nash and Carter you can’t really talk about there defense as they play on one of the worst teams in the NHL.
Mike in Oregon Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@Gary Livingston,
You have to be pretty friggin’ good to be compared to Jerome Iginla! Nash is a stud. Go Kings.
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Gary Livingston Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@Mike in Oregon,
Nash is falling quite short from the Iginla benchmark though.
They’re saying that Iginla is the closest player to compare Nash to in terms of situation (playing on a team without a supporting cast) and being a big bodied skilled offensive player.
They’re saying that Nash’s numbers don’t support his paycheck and that if he was really worth that paycheck he’d be able to produce as Iginla has despite his situation.
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Watch out!!!! Ducks might catch the Kings in play off spot. They just beat the Pens!! Why can’t we have that kind of streak?????
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
@rogiesbackup, Because Kings dont know what a winning streak is…
That why i know th Kings going to lose against the Coyotes because they dont know what a Winnign streak is even if it bites them in the butt.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
@rogiesbackup, …not sure but Calgary is closer….
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rogiesbackup Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
@Deke’r, Yes, but I HATE the ducks!! I predict they make the play-offs.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
@rogiesbackup, ….not a chance….(fingers crossed)
want dynamic? maybe patrick kane, man.
for what it’s worth (not much considering the source but anyway…) roenick said in an interview earlier today that the free-falling hawks need goaltending in a big way and that it would not be out of hand for them to trade kaner for a goalie.
what do you guys think of that? bernier and a pick for kane?
just throwing it out there…
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goldielocks Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
@king o’ philly,
Not a bad idea. While all attentions go to Nash, DL goes under the rader and steal the blockbuster deal. Woohoo!
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Michael J. Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
@king o’ philly,
Kane for a guy with 18 career wins? Maybe they will throw the Kings a pick too?
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rogiesbackup Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
@king o’ philly, If I was the Hawks I’d start rebuilding this season before their name players loose stock. They haven’t been the same since they got rid of many players at one time.
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Dominick Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
@rogiesbackup, That was just like the Ducks in 07′. It took a few years before the Ducks finally felt the pinch, but you new it was coming eventually.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
@king o’ philly,
If Kane comes here we will need to warn the local cab drivers.
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goldielocks Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
@DesertKing,
Don’t worry he got 1000 apology notes printed out already.
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Dominick Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
@DesertKing, No cabs needed. We’ve got Metro-Link.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@Dominick,
Oh, great, he and his buddies can assault riders by the dozen
bbb7 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
@king o’ philly, I would do that in a minute. Kane is the kind of quick, skilled sniper that we have exactly NONE of in our organization. If Chicago would trade him for an unproven goaltender and a draft pick they’d be really desperate.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:00 am
@bbb7,
Exactly.
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California Royalty Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 5:59 am
@king o’ philly, Another rediculous trade offer. You’ve got to be kidding me. Patrick Kane, one of the best players in the league, traded for an unproven goalie who has potential, “and a pick”. Just throwing the pick in there so you don’t sound too crazy. The Kings don’t have a 1st round pick and I think they don’t have a 2nd.
These trade offers on here are embarrassing to read.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:02 am
@California Royalty,
Always consider the source when trade offers are suggested, that seems to help me.
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Ducks only need 8 points just to catch up to the Kings wow…I guess that what happens when the Kings get by fooling around by win one game then lose th enext..
Get a Winning streak for once..
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Merle Haggard? I would’ve took Daryl for a Kissfan myself. I could just picture him with double peace signs and his arms criss crossing while sticking his tongue out, and waving it around like a snake when the refs skate by. That would throw’em off their game a little. Probably scare the hell out of them too.
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Steve W Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
@Dominick, Kiss-yech! By the way, I believe that Merle Haggard is a Bakersfield native.
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anonandonanon Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
@Steve W, “I’ll never swim Kern river again”.
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Osaka Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
@Steve W, He and Buck Owen.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:10 am
@Osaka, do do do, looking out my backdoor…
Nash + 1st round pick for Penner! It is tough, but I would do it!
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The Ducks will make the play offs…..
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KC23 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:24 am
@neil, I doubt it.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@neil, I would be willing to bet quite a bit that they don’t. They are New Jersey, last year.
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Off-topic question, does anyone know what time the morning skate is tomorrow? Got the day off work so hoping to go out and catch a practice.
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lakingbob(chi) Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
@LomitaKingsFan, Genarally its around 10 am , you should be save on the time
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AcDc has a song…Hell aint a bad place to be. Sutter needs Angus in his life.
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anonandonanon Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am
@KingCharlesofSalLake, He’s got Angus AND Herefords in his life.
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anonandonanon Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am
@KingCharlesofSalLake, He’s got Angus AND Herefords in his life.
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Im thinking we really need to worry about the Ducks right now, i can see them pushing us out if they keep winning…
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Subby Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
@pr0cess, the Ducks? Lol. No.
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7milforhickey Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
@Subby, they wont push us out. but we could let them slide in if we blow those two games against them
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
@pr0cess, They still have to pass over 5 teams to finish at least 8th.
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bbb7 Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
@Jeff_R, Agreed. It isnt so much the 6 points that they are ut of the playoffs but that they must pass 5 teams to get into 8th. They have four more games in this road trip. Unless they go 3-1 or better their path is very uphill.
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Maybe they are tradin Nash for Richards?
That way Carter and Richards will be together again.
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KC23 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:26 am
@Hockey Fan, DL would lose the fan base entirely. 90% of the fans would want DL’s head on a plater for that trade.
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:47 am
@KC23,
Lol..woudld never happen. Besides Quick, you have to argue that Richards was the best King at times. As i want Nash, its gonna be Bernier and probably JJ. If not,i could see Bernier and Lokti going, but either way, CBJ and many others want Bernier.
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Okay…couldn’t stay away…The Ducks could very easily make the playoffs…they are getting two points now on most nights…they are tearing it up in the middle of an 8 game roadie…beat the Pens on the second of a bcak to back…They can score! The Kings can’t…and now their D is stepping up…thanks to x King Lubo coming back into the lineup…that guy is awesome! How did we let him get away?!! Hiller has returned to form and they are definitely a threat…I have a bad feeling about this…Kings need to not look back and just keep going forward…push hard and play hard every shift…the puck will go in if the they put in the work…the playoffs start now!
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Hey guys:
I really want you to comment on my below proposal. I really think it makes alot of sense. I hope someone submits it to Mr. Lombardi, Mr. Solomon, and Mr. Lieweke. Please see below and give your thoughts.
To LA:
Nash (7.8M cap hit)
Carter (5.7M cap hit)
To CBJ:
JJ (4.7M cap hit)
Bernier (1.2M cap hit)
Stoll (3.7M cap hit)
Penner (5M cap hit)
1rd pick
Kings actually gain 1.2M in cap space
Salaries coming off the books in next 2 years to sign Quick:
Greene (2.9M)
Scuderi (3.4M)
Mitchell (3.4M)
Gagne (3.5M)
total 13.2M
Quick signed long term for 6M
Remaining cap space (1.2M + 13.2M – 6M) = 8.4M plus whatever they are currently under the cap
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:23 am
@jacky boy, I see you didn’t put Kopitar in your proposal. So basically our 3 centers will be making 6.8, 5.75 and 5.3 million a year plus Nash at 7.8 and Doughty at 7. That is a bit harder to pay Quick what he is worth, especially adding in the cost of other Wingers needed. You also have to realize that Columbus might not accept that proposal and the fact that JJ is in it, you might get a no on that from DL. I also don’t know if Quick will accept 6 million.
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Danny Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:12 am
@jacky boy, you live in a dream world. You know damn well thats way too good to be true. What would the jackets do with the pankake man? Bernier, yeah…makes good sense. JJ…are you high on pancake syrup? JJ is NOT INCLUDED. Another fisrst rounder and package penner and bernier yes. Not stoll. Hes the only weapon the kings have in a shootout.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:16 am
@Danny, not so much a weapon this year (2/8)… He was great, phenomenal last year (9/10), as was JQ, but both have fallen off this year in that regard.
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:50 am
@jacky boy,
Ive thought about it too. If were gonna make a trade with them, and they want to get rid of Carter that bad, take em both! We can use them! Get rid of Penner, and we added two new wingers that can SCORE. Its not a bad gig, just hard to pull off. Rememeber, they can deal Carter seperate to another team for more..(possibly) Unless it’s really true that NO ONE wants him cause how long his contract is, which i cant picture, considering its a good cap-hit, and he is in his prime.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@jacky boy, So, basically, your idea is to rape Columbus?
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Chicago plays today as well as the Kings. If Chicago loses today in regulation and the Kings win tonight they will move up to 6th place in the Western Conference. Tonight’s Kings game against the Coyotes is crucial in the playoff race.
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KC23 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:27 am
@Cesar A, King’s next 9 games are all critical. Count em … 9 in a row all have major playoff race implications.
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finally we have some Kings hockey again tonight. I hate these long breaks between games. It’s probably good that the boys get the practice time in, but that doesn’t help the fans!
My take on all of the trade rumors..I’m actually hoping the Kings stand relatively pat this year.
as crazy as that sounds, I still think this team is built to win in the playoffs if healthy.
I wouldn’t have a problem adding in a filler guy for the 3rd or 4th line, but I don’t think its the wise move to bring in a Nash and break up what you already have…JJ to me is a non starter. Weakening yourself in one area to potentially strengthen yourself in another is silly..especially this time of year. there’s no guarantee Nash will do anything more than Kovi did for the Devils after he was traded mid season.
Giving up Bernier leaves you with a giant hole in case of injury to JQ.
I’ve never been a believer that you have to have stars on your team to be successful. A quick look at the Knicks in the NBA and what Lin has done for that team shows you that it’s not necessary. Dolan’s been chasing stars since he bought the team and has never had success. Its only been a short time, but a former D league player is making all the difference in the world.
Same thing with the Rangers. They finally realized that building a team with good character players was the way to go and now look at them..they’re battling for the President’s trophy. they signed Brad Richards, but he’s been average to below average at best this year, yet they still win. Thy have a great goalie and they let their kids develop. they didn’t use their kids to get the latest star on the block.
just something to think about when salivating over Nash or Carter.
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Jack the Lad Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:13 am
@nykingfan, You my friend, are the voice of reason.
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rontheking Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:14 am
@Jack the Lad,
I agree. Sometimes the best trades are the ones never made. People seem to forget sometimes how quickly players age or diminish due to injuries in this league…or how hard it is to find an NHL-ready defenseman like Voynov–who could end up a star…or an NHL-caliber goalie (okay, we don’t know yet about Bernier)–especially one at backup in case of injury (or slump) (or burnout due to overwork)….
Any team has a chance once they are in the playoffs…it’s all about peaking at the right time.
And one of the biggest problems the Kings have had is developing team chemistry with new players coming in…so bring in more? This team has a chance…especially considering how well they’ve done with so few goals. If the goal scoring comes around, and it might…look out!
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Munchrat Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 am
@nykingfan, You may say we bon’t need s superstar, but we do need a leader.
In face, that is what this team sorely lacks.
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fsd1 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:24 am
@Munchrat, A leader leads by example, exactly what DB does.
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Munchrat Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:54 am
@fsd1, I was thinking more of am on the ice type of leader.
For example, I remember watching Marcel Dionne play. There were times late in the game when he would get this look in his eyes and you knew that the Kings were gonna score.
Michael J. Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:05 am
@Munchrat,
Kopitar is supposed to be that guy.
nykingfan Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:39 am
@Munchrat,
The way Dustin Brown plays every night is what a true leader on the ice is.
He goes hard every shift..same with Kopi.
When the kids like Nolan and King see this, they have no choice but to bust their asses.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:27 am
@nykingfan, How long are you going to go with well they play hard, bust there asses every night, yet there are no results coming from that. How long are you going to deal with that before you get pissed off and wanting DL to do something about it? To make a stand. To take a risk. I have been patient the last few years but there comes a boiling point when you see that maybe what is there isn’t working and it isn’t going to get better. Something needs to be done and big to change what we have. If it involves sending away some or part of the core to change things, then I am for that. I don’t want Kopi to be traded, but something needs to be done or we will be in the same position year after year.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:14 am
@Munchrat, Kopi is suppose to be that leader that you are talking about but he isn’t. The job of #1 Center is to lead the team when times get rough, make the players around them better no matter who they are. Look at Malkin in Pittsburgh. He is lighting it up this year and will probablt=y win the Hart Trophy. When the Penguins were laboring, not having Crosby, he has basically taken over and made all those around him better and taken the team on his back. He is playing lights out and willing that team to the playoffs. That is what Kopi should be doing, but he isn’t. Maybe he is too nice of a guy to do it, but he should be taking charge as our #1 Center and we shouldn’t be the worst offensive team in the NHL. If there ever was a time for Kopi to take off it was this season. When Chicago was in trouble last season Towes took the team on his back and he willed that team in the playoffs. Kopi is not that type of guy and I don’t know if he will ever be. All this talk about he will be better when he gets better Wingers to play with. Well he should be making those Wingers better himself. That is what Crosby does. That is what Malkin does. That is what Towes does. Kopi is not a #1 Center and we are paying 6.8 million a year for a guy with potential to be but whom may never be.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:20 am
@Jeff_R, I feel that Kopi is too cautious with his passing. He doesn’t try that pass that MR does, probably because he’s conditioned by now to know that his teammates won’t make good on the chance. I really thought that Penner’s hands/passing would gel well with AK, and for a hand full of games at the end of last season, they did just that.
Sad really, I think AK has grown accustomed to mediocrity and doens’t TRUST his teammates, and I don’t blame him. Enough stone hands in the room to make a mini great wall.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:33 am
@Stuart, I agree but Kopi is a great player and he should be taking the team on his back. If his Wingers cant score then do it yourself. How many times has Kopi taken the puck to the net, crashed the net? All I see him do is come down the Wing and then peel off to the corner, instead of taking it to the net. Remember his first goal ever against the Ducks and going around Pronger to the net? That was awesome. I have rarely seen that Kopi do that in the last 6 years since. Once in a while he does it. Where is that Kopi?
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:40 am
@Jeff_R, that’s actually another thing about AK that I think playoff experience will bring to the forefrunt. He’s afraid of contact. Yes I said it, and no I don’t talk to him every night before he goes to sleep, IT’S OBVIOUS!!! He doesn’t go hard to the net, he doesn’t pay the price (which is a positive becuase he doesn’t get hurt, too, but…). I think the worst thing that ever happened to AK was getting hurt last year so late that it caused him to miss the playoffs. 6 games does not = playoff experince, hell, the 12 games that everyone else has (our core) doesn’t = playoff experience. Until we pop that 2nd round barrier (for fear of the real word I wanted to use), this team will NEVER know how to get it done…
Another factor for my wanting Nash is that he too will gain that invaluable playoff experience with this group which IMO would forge the strongest bond a team can have…
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:49 am
@Stuart, Well I hope your right that the playoffs will change Kopi. However the point is the great players are fearless and do things even with the risk that they will be injured. That is what makes them great, they are fearless. Kopi won’t become great until he learns that. I am hoping that you are correct that he will learn that by playing in the playoffs. I agree that him missing it last year hurt him and hopefully this season he will take that next step in the playoffs.
fsd1 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:00 am
@Jeff_R, There is so much wrong with that post i dont know where to start so i’ll just say one thing, based on your analysis of kopi then richards sucks too since he didnt make his wingers better, so lets dump him too. Hell, lets just trade the whole freaking team, they all suck. Nash is not the Saviour. This is a team game.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:03 am
@fsd1, you’re usually pretty reasonable, and I don’t know if the Kopi slamming is annoying you, BUT to say that MR hasn’t made his wingers THIS YEAR is undeaniable, as well as the assertion that his wingers have been…well…crappy. But for years, now, while in PHI there was no denying that he did just that, and that he did put that team on his back and carry/will them forward.
and just ftr, I don’t think anyone has said Kopi sucks, he just has left a lot to be desired, I hope you can agree with that? And of course he’s not a lone on the current Kings roster.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:42 am
@fsd1, I am not bashing Kopi. I don’t hate Kopi. I love him, he is one of my favorite players and I hope he stays a King for his whole career. However we all expected Kopi to be so much more then what we are getting. When we got Richards I expected him to do real well and Kopi to truly take off this season and become the player we all expect him to be. The great player that we thought we were getting when he was drafted. The one that carries the team on his back when the chips are down. I never in a million years ever thought we would be last in scoring. If Kopi wasn’t from Slovenia he most likely would of been drafted 2nd behind Crosby. That is the Kopi I expect and what he hasn’t gotten to YET. While i know Kopi isn’t at the same level as Crosby, I do expect him to get close to it. Facts are though if Crosby or Malkin were a King right now we would not be last in scoring. Kopi needs to get to that level and with his salary he should be rising to it. However he is stagnant and at the level where he is just going to get 70-80 points a year. He has the talent and skill to be a 100 pt player a year. That is what I am expecting out of Kopi. I just don’t know if after 6 years he will get to that level. Crosby and Kopi are the same age with Malkin a tear older. Kopi has had enough time to get to the level of those 2. How much longer are we to wait until he does? How much longer are we to go through the same ol same ol that has kept Kopi from becoming what he truly should be? Those saying that we should stand pat, well open your eyes we are last in scoring and that isn’t going to change with the players we have now. Bob Mckenzie is right. If we are lucky enough to make the playoffs, we won’t get anywhere standing pat. We need to get Nash. That and possibly a mid level guy. We need to change what we have now, or this will just be another wasted season.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:47 am
@Jeff_R, but I will say that AK’s defense is much better than either SC or EM… Kopi is a product of the TM system, which is a double-edged sword… yes he’s VERY responsible on the D end, but his O side has been stunted by it. I don’t agree with asking that he be as good, or better than, those other two, unless those other two were great on defense as well… just my .02 on that comparison. but otherwise full Nash ahead!!!
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:57 am
@Stuart, I get what you are saying and I agree with it. SC and EM are at a different level then Kopi. Howver let me ask you this. What do you think is Kopi’s ceiling on offense? Is it the 70-80 pts he is getting year after year or do you feel (like I do) that he is capable of hitting the 100pt mark year after year? If he does hit that level along with his great defensive play then he is better then SC and EM as he would be a more complete player, in both ends of the ice. I don’t think he is at thee level at all, but I do think he is a step below. Step below being 30-40 goals and 90-100 pts a year along with the great defense.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:02 am
@Jeff_R, I can agree with that… as it stands he’s not an offensive jugernaut (although he has pretty sick puckhandling skills) and going into this season with the MR pick-up, I honestly thought AK would eclipse 100 pts… Do I think he’s capable? Not with the wings he’s been straddled with the last few seasons. With a bonafide goal scorer? Yes and both goals and assists would take off…
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:20 am
@Stuart, And that is another reason I feel he isn’t at SC’s level. Look at SC he is able to score 40-50 goals and 100+ pts a season, regardless of the Wingers he plays with. The one thing I heard about the Penguins is they are having a hard time finding a Winger to play with Crosby, yet he still regularly gets 100pts a season. Until Kopi can, if it is possible, become a player that can score regardless of who he plays with and makes those players better VS he will score once he gets Wingers who can score (bonafide goal scorer) he won’t attain that level. If he starting next season can average 30-40 goals and 90-100pts then will I say he has become the player I envisioned and what I think he is capable of. Then all this talk will go away and we win a Cup
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nykingfan Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@Jeff_R,
Unless you are expecting DL to go out there and put those pucks in the net, it’s silly to think he has to do something.
The Kings are still in playoff position with a chance to get the 3rd seed. I also realize that we’re close to being out of the playoffs, but I don’t think you can honestly belive that Phoenix or Calgary are beter teams than the Kings right now.
So I’ll go under the assumption that we are a playoff team. That automatically makes us a contender.
We go into the playoffs this year with hopefully a healthy roster and a fantastic defense led by Quick in goal..a guy who keeps getting better.
We haven’t scored this year, but we know this team is capable of scoring. It’s been 50+ games, but that doesn’t mean they can’t pick up that pace. the backs of their hockey cards say they should.
Moves like Nash should only be made during the off season. There’s no need to panic now. The Kings are still in good shape despite the brutal offensive output.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@nykingsfan, it’s not about panic, at all…it’s about fielding an AWESOME line-up for the next 2-5 seasons… but sure, let’s wait for the offseason when all there is, is Parise and the 29 other teams that are open to him…
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@nykingsfan, I am happy for you that you have the optimism that this team is suddenly going to start scoring as is. I was like you saying after 40 games, you know what these guys scored in the past they can do it again. 50 games still looking. Well now we are almost at 60 games and still no scoring. Whats it going to take that what happened in the past, is not going to help or happen this season. This season for whatever reason is a wash offensively unless we make some changes. This team is not going anywhere in the playoffs as is plus we aren’t going to go anywhere with 2 rookies on the 2nd line. Nash is available now and if as you say we should wait until the offseason, what happens if San Jose gobbles up Nash in the mean time. Can you imagine how this blog is going to blow up. As the saying goes The Time is Now and just as the saying goes we need to make the Nash trade. I said it, Stuart has said it, Bob Mckenzie one of the most trusted reporters in hockey has said it. Why all of a sudden is everybody so worried about Nash and why do most people think that it is all sunshine and roses and this team is going to all of a sudden change and start scoring. I don’t get this at all. We have a chance to get one of the best players in the game now. Who knows if he will be available in the off season. Who knows if we will get Parise July 1st. The Time Is Now!!!!!
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@Jeff_R, I don’t know about you, but I am beyond blue in the face and the cows are already in DS’s barn… for whatever reason (cold feel, stage fright, headlights. etc.) people are not going to realize that Nash needs to happen… I can understand because I’ve been a kings fan all my life too, and getting Nash is something that the OTHER teams always do and then go on to playoff success while I watch the games on Vs or ESPN and hardly get to hear Bob’s voice calling 2nd round games… There are too many reasons why it should happen, and the only one why it shouldn;t is the cap issue, but this is why DL is a lawyer and very good with numbers, he can wiggle his way into many situations and make things work…
I’m done for a little bit…at least until after lunch.
nykingfan Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
@Jeff_R,
Why are we concerned about Nash not being all he’s hyped up to be? For the same reason as Kovalchuk. Kovi’s talents are undeniable, but he’s not making teams better. Bob McKenzie loved the Kovalchuik trade by the Devils. He also loved the Penner move by the Kings. It’s funny how he’s grown silent about his incorrect analysis on both.
He gives an opinion the same as we do. He knows his hockey, but i’ll put my hockey knowledge up against his any day and I’ll hold my own if not better..that’s not bragging becuse there are plenty of people here in the same boat.
I’m not worried about other teams possibly overpaying for his services whether that
s now or in the off season. I only worry about the Kings and how it effects us.
Why do you assume that the scoring can’t pick up this season? It’s been way too long..but tell me why can’t players like Brown/Kopi/JW/Richards/Stoll, etc get hot the rest of the way? they’re all proven scorers in this league. they’re not injured (Except Stoll), so why is it impossible to think it couldn’t trurn around between now and the end of the season?
Blade17 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:26 am
@nykingfan, Well said. I think any major move this late in the year is a big time chemistry hit. Bringing in help for the 3-4 lines is the answer, if available. Don’t give up anything significant, maybe get a guy who just needs a change of scenery. I think the result would be much like bringing up King & Nolan has been, and maybe that’s all the team really needed. The Bernier + pick for Kane suggestion from an earlier thread is laughable. Hawks would be asking for something more along the lines of Bernier, Johnson AND a top 6 forward. Kane is a top 20 player in this league and they would need 2 everyday players plus more for him.
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KC23 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:29 am
@nykingfan, I agree. After the initial buzz of Nash possibly coming and reading some Columbus fans take on Nash and other info … I’m not all that crazy about the deal any more. I like what I saw in the two new rookies. I’m ready to go to war with what we got.
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Cry Baby Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 7:47 am
@nykingfan, What I hear you saying is be patient…and patience has always lacked on this site. I guarantee if the Kings lose tonight all you will hear is how the Kings should bring in Nash at any cost.
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The Puck Stops Here Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:27 am
@Cry Baby, Yeah, if the Kings lose tonight, this site will get Nashty! (ba-dum-tsh!)
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Shotongoal Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:34 am
@nykingfan, I would much rather the Kings go after a player like Nash in the offseason. But, the fact seems to be that he is being shopped right now. If the Kings were to miss out on acquiring him because they chose to stand pat then I would be disappointed. The Kings DO need a scoring threat like Nash. This is not a trade that would be made just for this seasons playoff run. Besides this Kings team may be built for the playoffs, but without some scoring they may a) not even make the playoffs or b) be one and done. Bottom line is that at this stage of the season this team is nowhere near what I’m sure the majority of us thought they would be. This team right now as it sits will not win a Cup or even go to the conference finals this season.
If Nash is available right now, and the asking price fits what the Kings have to offer than by all means they should pull the trigger. Because, this trade would benefit their Cup runs for the next several years, not just this seasons.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:44 am
@Shotongoal, and, haven’t damn near everyone on this blog been screaming for a scoring winger these past few years??? And now that it can happen, everyone is recanting, “no we don’t need Nash, let’s see what our youth has in store”… WRONG!!! The only way I can justify it is that inherant aspect of human nature that does not like change… but this isn’t change just for the sake of change, this is change for a reason, a purpose! Folks need to let go of their fears, step out of their comfort zone, realize that losing a piece or three to gain that “scoring winger” we;ve all coveted is going to be okay… I’d rather win a Cup then bone out in the 1st round with JJ and JB on our roster…
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:47 am
@Stuart, That’s right, as long as this blog has been around, when the name Nash was past around pretty much everybody has wanted him. This isn’t a selfish guy like Kovalsmuck, or a cancer like Heatly, Hossa didn’t want to come to a non- contending team like the Kings were at the time. Nash is one of those, Brad and Mike Richards type, probably a little more humble because he’s been playing on a team that has had, really no chance in HE double hockey sticks.We have always been told how great our farm system is, especially on D, we will still have a strong D. Even though accidents do happen, Quick will probably play most of the games here on out and all the playoffs(if we get in) the guy had the best physical testing during the ASG break, he will need a backup just in case, so we find a cheap vet.Next year we have some good money coming off the books, I read somewhere that Mitchell is working on an extension, and if King and Nolan work out we will be able to get rid of some dead weight.If we are able to pick up Nash along with those two guys coming up, along with Kopi and Ricky, we’ll be a big scary team that can score and still be pretty defensive minded, right now we are not very balanced and we need to give up something to get something. I think DL will work it out.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:50 am
@LVKINGS88, yes! on everything
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@Stuart, This is also what Dean has said from the beginning. He was going to let the young guys grow and when he felt it was time that they couldn’t go any forward, he would bring in help. Now is that time where we need the help. The young core has taken us as far as they can and we need to bring in reinforcements to help. Nash is exactly what we need to help our core get to the next level.
Shotongoal Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:42 am
@Stuart, This blog should be used as a case study for a Psychology 101 course! LOL
Rich could be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for engaging so many people who have a like minded issue/ interest, but have 1000′s of ways (wrong) to get to the promised land!
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@Shot, definitely quite a mixed up bunch LOL. or it could be a sociology class as well…
Danny Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:26 am
@Shotongoal, hey, watch out for those Duckies, quackin’ up points and are only eight points out. I pick ‘em to overtake or edge Kings in standings. A dose of reality has now made your hopes credible. The pancake man is slow as his maple syrup. Torontos coach wants him. Anyone there the kings want?
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nykingfan Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@Shotongoal,
Couldn’t you say the same thing about Kovalchuk?
There’s a proven goal scotrer who was not going to be avaiable during the off season. The Devils decided that he was worth the $$ based on his skill and he would help the team, not only for the stretch run, but going forward.
The Devils would love to pawn off that contract right about now, but they know that there are no takers for it.
Nash is a great talent with a huge contract who’s never won a damn thing in his NHL life. He’s 28 years old with great skill but couldn’t make his teammates in Columbus better. Please tell me when this starts sounding a lot like Kovi?
I don’t mean this to put down Nash or Kovalchuk, but sometimes the best moves are the ones you didn’t make. You don’t always need the star player. You need the right player.
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fsd1 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@nykingfan, word
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@nykingfan, Kovy is a selfish player and wasn’t worth $100 million. He was not the right player and it was our heart that was wanting him at the time and we weren’t thinking with our brain. Nash is different. He is a team player. He isn’t a selfish one. The fact that he hasn’t won isn’t his fault. That goes to the Blue Jackets management who couldn’t put together a team to contend. One person can’t do it all by himself. Nash is 27 and entering his prime now. These are suppose to be the best years of a players career 27-32. This is not a Penner situation. Nash works hard and he won’t take shifts off, games off. Nash is what this team needs to wake itself up from the Slumber it’s in.
Shotongoal Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@nykingfan, I think Nash is the right kind of player, I never thought Kovi was. Nash can’t help that he’s played for a terrible organ-I-zation. I think it speaks volumes about this guys character that he resigned with this team when he could have become a FA before.
Look I have never been one here to make off-the-wall comments about what this team should do or not do. And I’m always pretty patient with this team, but there comes those special moments when you just hope they do something big, and my opinion is that Rick Nash is something big. Listen if this was Kovi they were talking about right now I would hope the Kings would stay clear, but not Rick Nash, he’s worth it. It’s probably going to be a moot point anyway but you never know. I think the trade for Mike Richards was genius and if the Kings can come up with a package that is fair for them gettIng Nash would be genius too.
Totally off topic… What’s up with season ticket prices going up? I understand a little inflation, but damn! Over 10%?!
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:28 am
@The Puck Stops Here, someone mentioned this above (or maybe previous post, I can’t remember).
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:34 am
@The Puck Stops Here, Rich said it is what it is, a business desicion. take it or leave it.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:36 am
@The Puck Stops Here,
I haven’t had season seats since ’98 or ’99, and by do I feel a whole lot more freedom to pay for and go to games when I want to go. Stubhub has been a godsend. Now I go when I want and usually pay less than face value for the tickets.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:37 am
@The Puck Stops Here, My tickets are going from $23.50 to $35. It sucks big time. Especially with the way the season has gone. I be more inclined to pay it if the team was doing well. But sitting there every year and watch the Kings struggle just to make the playoffs, even when on paper they should be getting better and progressing, is not something that is making me hunger to renew with the new pricing.
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^^^^^^ I was thinking the same thing. My old friend and I have season tix but I don’t go with him anymore so I have been buying them from 714 tickets and they are usually cheaper then face value and I don’t feel pressures to go to every game and I can usually get then in 314 where all my people are ;D but you miss out on all the season ticket perks and playoff priority and stuff.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:45 am
@Subby, but if you sign up for those mini-plans, I think you still get playoff priority too.
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Subby Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:51 am
@Stuart, what about meet the players?
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:56 am
@Subby, nah, none of those perks, or breakfast with the GM ot the other functions. just playoff priority and the ablility to pick your seats if you sign up for full season tix the following year. I’ve done it for the past few years, and I was able to secure some playoff tickets which was a big bonus for me.
Subby Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:02 am
@Subby, yeah true, but don’t people use the playoff accessibility to buy up and sell tickets to help pay for the following year tickets? Thats how a couple from Detroit told me how they do it. I am just trying to weigh out the pros and cons before I decide :p
Subby Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:03 am
@Stuart, , yeah true, but don’t people use the playoff accessibility to buy up and sell tickets to help pay for the following year tickets? Thats how a couple from Detroit told me how they do it. I am just trying to weigh out the pros and cons before I decide :p
(screwed up above)
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:05 am
@Subby, That’s def genius… but as a fan of the Kings I’d rather go to the playoff games myself… now if the kings had made the playoff’s (and regularly went deep) I would def do that, sell some to fund the next season, but as starved as I am for one of the two home games in the playoffs, I wouldn’t considering selling them. But that does sound like quite the plan!
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:39 am
@Subby, Hmm that is interesting plan. Odd that I never even thought of that. That could help me to pay for next years hike.
Subby Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:08 am
@Stuart, well you are able to buy so many playoff tickets. I think 8? and in the first round I think you get them at the same price as regular season ones. Flip those for $50? Make a lil flow$$
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:17 am
@Subby, this is true. 2 games with 8 tix @ $50/per… that should go a long way towards the next season… but you’ll need to sell them. it’s not a gimme, but very likely.
SAY WHAAAA? ;O
I ain’t holding my breath.
“Which would be the most likely trading partner for Columbus in a Rick Nash deal?
Bob McKenzie: I will take the Los Angeles Kings, simply for two reasons. Number one, they are the most motivated buyer. Of all the teams that are looking for a big piece to add, they need a scoring winger, they’ve got to make a move, they can’t go into the playoffs, or even make the playoffs with what they’ve got. The second reason: they’ve got the chips to play with. They’ve got netminder Jonathon Bernier, they’ve got defenceman Jack Johnson, plus, plus, whatever it takes to get it done.”
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lakingbob(chi) Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:35 am
@Subby, Here in Chicago the papers are NASH NASH NASH
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goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:51 am
@lakingbob(chi),
What are they(blackhawks) nashing about?
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lakingbob(chi) Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:01 am
@goldielocks, Would be a good fit but they have no goalie to trade them nor defense, which means NASH could be coming west..
DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:05 am
@goldielocks,
Those are their teeth making that sounds, as they “nash” (gnash) them in furstration over their losing streak and the fact it is really cold there right now. Whatever happened to those patrick Sharpe rumors? Would we do Sharpe for Bernier?
lakingbob(chi) Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:15 am
@goldielocks, Really considering we have not played Bernier that much and quickie is still young, why not deal him..He will never be #1 goalie here unless we trade quick which will not happen so Yes take the trade..
goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:32 am
@DesertKing, @lakingbob(chi),
What’s troubling me is, if DL is really trying to trade Bernier, what makes his so sure to re-sign Quick. Does he have a word from Quick that he’ll sign? If he’s not sure but trading Bernier anyway, it could be a move that DL trying to save his own a$$ as number 6 suggested.
Defence from the Kings for offence from the Jackets. Kings have a lot of good defence and the Jackets need good defence. The Jackets have okay offence. 3 defence and a pick for Nash and Carter.
Nash can stop coming into Staples and killing the Kings and Carter comes over to play with Ricky. Which should have happend in the last off season any how.
Doughty, Voynov or Martines, ? and 3/4th round pick.
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Jamesonafterawin Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:23 am
@Jamesonafterawin, Or do the Kings need 8 average 40 goal scorers to come over, and once that happens they drop to an average of 20.
Which begges the question, is it talent as the issue, the system or bad habits or ?
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:41 am
@Jamesonafterawin, It isn’t the system it is the players. You got to change the players if you are going to get better. And with better I am not talking struggling to make playoffs. This team as is, is 2/3rds done. The offense is lagging and what is there now is not going to work.
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fsd1 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:55 am
@Jeff_R, disagree, what is there now WILL work if the players play at the levels they have done before. End of Story. We don’t need any stinking trades.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:56 am
@fsd1, “what is there now WILL work if the players play at the levels they have done before.” that was TM’s thinking too… where’s he at?
fsd1 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:03 am
@Stuart Does it really matter where TM is at? The truth is the same we have a damn good team.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@fsd1, you’re right, it might be the best team to miss the playoffs…
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:24 am
@Fsd1, If you think those players that haven’t scored all season are suddenly going to start doing so now then you must be a shaman. What are the lottery #’s next week?
fsd1 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:32 am
@Jeff_R, Yes I do think that this group of players will not continue the lack of scoring. It just can’t continue to underperfrom the entire season, and the numbers are 3, 11, 13, 26, 30………I get 25%
Here’s how we win the cup, trade Quick and Doughty for Kane and Sharp. Move Bernier into the #1 goalie slot bring up VV or AMart. Next year we bring in Parise. You give up our best player and the backbone of our team, hope Bernier is the guy of the future, add in young bucks King and Nolan and the dynasty begins.
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Sebastian Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:52 am
@Happy Lappy, trading away the kings best player is how they win the cup? haha. and why would chicago make that deal? the term “Dynasty” does not apply to the NHL…the last time a team won back to back cups was 14 years ago.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@Sebastian, so, we do what hasn’t been done in 14 years. You don’t think Quick and Doughty are enough? I would think we should get a # 1 pick also.
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fsd1 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:09 am
@Happy Lappy, yes and kane and Sharpe are doing SO MUCH for their team now. Lets blow up chemistry, get rid of our 2 top players and perhaps we could go on a 9 game losing streak too. Sounds like fun.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:12 am
@fsd1, man, someone is grumpy today…
what chemistry??? the stuff that’s developed in the last 2 games??? the stuff that we have going for us that can never be replicated???
it’s all just talk, fsd1…
Kings should be on the ice very soon, Rich has been rather not heard from today…
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:47 am
@lakingbob(chi), he’s just laughing at us going round and round about this Nash thing LOL
i would imagine it must quite amusing…amusing in a way like watching Homer J running on the treadmill topless. CAR CRASH action!
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lakingbob(chi) Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:52 am
@Stuart, Ya but Icannot see Rich being that amused.. Way to serious about this. FYI NHL Network reporting that Tampa is a team that is selling. Kubina sits out tonight, darn, they play San Jose..
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:54 am
@lakingbob(chi), double darn because I just picked him up on my fantasy team! :\
lakingbob(chi) Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:55 am
@lakingbob(chi), oopps
Michael J. Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:56 am
@lakingbob(chi),
I bet his post at 10:00, just to mess with our heads, will consist of two only words: Rick Nash!
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:57 am
@Michael J., it would be nice if we heard it from RH first, rather than HE…
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lakingbob(chi) Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:59 am
@Michael J., tick tock 1 minute to 10!!
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DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:03 am
@Michael J.,
New rumor – we are going for Ovechkin – okay, Rich, you can relax for the next day as everyone goes crazy with it (Rich is pretty smart guy to get and keep this gig since it basically perpetuates itself).
FYI – Just renewed my weekend 10-pack with a seat increase of $3 per seat. The only thing I didn’t like is my play-off seats move from the end where we shoot twice to the end where we defend twice. What the hell, we will bein the play-offs. GKG!!!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:20 am
@DesertKing, Why did your seats move?
DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:26 am
@Jeff_R
Per my agent, when you have the Weekend package, you share it with those who have the Big Game package. He indicated that there is a huge demand for Kings tickets, especially play-off seats right now, so their available inventory is low. Season and Half-season holders get first priority as expected, followed by the partial plans. If AEG claims they are not making money with the Kings, then they are full of (insert preferred substance here).
Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@DesertKing, Yea tell me about it. The fact that my seats are going from $23 to $35 is ludicrous. They say it is because of demand for the first 2 rows in the 300′s. I would say there is demand for them, as they are hard to get because of long time season seat holders not wanting to give them up. That is the only reason why they are hard to get, not all of a sudden the team is good. We have been loyal customers for a long time giving AEG/kings our hard earned money to sit in nice seats to watch the crappy play that we have been witnessing and this is how they repay us?
The Time is NOW for this franchise to stop doink’n around with Poni’s/Stolls/Penners/Moreaus/Hunters/fall down Browns/ and bring in an “ACTUAL” scorer to take this team to the next level! JJ is an average D at best and not Bobby Orr! If you have a chance to get NASH then it’s a NO BRAINER! Someone who gives you the goosebumps EVERY time he touches the puck!! DO IT DEANO!! Make it happen and quit with these mid level scrubs who bring nothing to the equation each year.
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:15 am
@kingszzz, Ummmm you get goosebumps when nash touches a puck?
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:22 am
@Lake Forest, lol, that is a little much, but I can say with 100% truth, that when he touches the puck while they’re playing the kings I sit on the edge of my seat, whether at home or at staples… and to go further, it’s even the full truth when I say that everytime he touches I think he will score.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:22 am
@Stuart, touches *the puck*… before you get all perv on me LMAO
DesertKing Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:28 am
@Stuart,
dude, really?
goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:42 am
@Stuart,
I thought the Kings did good job to keep him blank this season. He seems very contaiable to our defense. It’s still kind of thrilling when he touches the puck as to what kind of move he makes though.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:44 am
@goldielocks, indeed they have keyed on him and shut him down, but still I feel he can score on any shift at any time… I don’t feel that way about ANYONE on our current roster, as sad as that makes me to say out loud…
From tsn.ca:
Aaron Portzline of the Columbus Dispatch reports that he believes there are five teams on Rick Nash’s approval list: the Boston Bruins, the Los Angeles Kings, The New York Rangers, the San Jose Sharks and the Toronto Maple Leafs.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:35 am
@bmova, wow, if that’s the case, and if the Kings miss out, I’m praying for him to go to TOR!!
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goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:44 am
@Stuart,
Not the Sharks at very least.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@goldielocks, I don’t worry about the Sharks as they don’t really have much to trade without destroying their current roster.
goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@bmova,
Wait. What do they mean by “Rick Nash’s approval”? Does that mean Columbus’s GM 5 deals he can take, and only waiting for Nash to choose one of them?
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@goldielocks, basically… Nash still has his NMC that he would waive for a reportedly “handful of teams”…
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goldielocks Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Stuart,
OK then … he can visit LA with his GF and say “oh, she said she’s never been to LA so I just wanted to show her around” afterward.
Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@Stuart, imagine…
I think its big to say and nice to hear that we are on Nash’s list. More times then not, we could never make that happen.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@Michael_DD8, We are always on the players lists. Just it is at the bottom of it.
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Stuart Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@Jeff_R, more like the list of where NOT to go…
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DS’s hockey song: “down every road, there’s always one more city. I’m on the run, the highway is my home.” Love you merle!
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Not sure if this means anything but according to Aaron Portzline, Nash and Carter was held out of practice today. Now it could mean it was just a maintenance day, but inquiring minds like to know.
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