The Kings are back on the ice for practice in advance of Thursday’s game against Phoenix. There aren’t any changes to the line combinations, meaning Brad Richardson, Colin Fraser, Kevin Westgarth, Trent Hunter and Dustin Penner are all in the yellow fourth-line jerseys. Jarret Stoll, on injured reserve, is not skating, but that’s not really a surprise. He wouldn’t be eligible to play until Saturday at the earliest. More updates to come…
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Jgomez Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@Stuart, Trade deadline! Although I am not reading about too many rumors…
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YuriM Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@Jgomez, get on twitter and follow a few hockey peeps and then your timeline will b just rumors
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Yeah yeah, I vote for
Richardson-Fraser-Penner
Grind Grind Grind
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@Kimo, at this point, I’d rather see Westy in there for every game!
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@Stuart, I’d rather see Westgarth go home. Doesn’t hit. Doesn’t score. Can’t fight. Has no business playing in the NHL.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:08 am
@Kimo,
Grind Grind Eat
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nykingfan Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:13 am
@wavesinair,
LMFAO!
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@Kimo, Yeah, if we aern’t going to trade Penner, we definitely need to get him back in the lineup. I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the 3rd line with Lokti, they have played some good minutes together in the past. That would bump Lewis down with Richardson and Fraser.
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Gustavo Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@CabbagesAndKings,
Why, does Penner need to go back in the lineup?????
Burying his salary in the minors is a more viable option. If he has no trade value, who cares if he does not clear waivers. At this point his lack production is such a detriment to the team mood. Getting rid of him ASAP sounds like a plus to me.
I hope he’d come around after his injuries were healed. I give up!
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gene Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Kimo, So Penner is in the dog house for not playing at 100% and you want hmim to play?? Relase or tade him. He is like a cancer to the other players. See how much fun they had when the two kids showed up and gave 110%.
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gene Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@gene, Let Westy play, he gives 100%, not like Pancakes.
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@gene,
We need some grit. Westgarth plays softer than Lady big herself. Loktionov hits more than Westgarth and he probably weighs in at about a buck fifty.
Glad to see Westgarth in. I see no upside to keeping Hunter in instead of Westgarth.
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@KC23, I agree. At least with Westgarth, we are developing a player. With Hunter we are just filling a hole.
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Shakes Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:21 am
@CabbagesAndKings,
that’s a really good way of putting it
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
@Shakes, I dunno if I’d go so far as to say we’re “filling” a hole with Hunter – more like setting up an orange cone next to the hole, until we find something to fill it.
Cruiznblue Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:20 am
@KC23,
I agree…Westy seems to me to bring a lot more “off ice” qualities to the team.
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Duckbasher Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
@Cruiznblue,
Yea… that’s what we need. More “off ice” qualities. We need some hitting. And Westgarth is our least likely guy to actually hit someone (except with his face on their fists).
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Steve C Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@KC23, Then why is Westgarth consistently getting less ice time than Hunter when he is playing?
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Hockey & Rocky Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@Steve C, Unfortunately for Hunter, he wouldn’t be missed if he was gone.
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Buyers VS Sellers
As much as I want the Kings to make a deal to bring in a mid-level winger (Wheeler, Whitney, etc) – in hopes that will somehow magically put us over the hump (I know it won’t)… I’m becoming more and more inclined that the Kings become Sellers at the deadline.
I know teams sitting in 7th place don’t become sellers – I know. But I think we are sort of in a unique position to move some pieces without significantly hurting the team. And with so many Buyers out there fighting over so few players on the market – the value of every player on the market is going up.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to think we can bring in, at the least, a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Penner and Stoll. And I know those draft positions don’t sound sexy – but that is where you build the strength of your franchise.
I also think Bernier could get us a 1st and 2nd (like Varlarmov), or maybe a 1st and a prospect. (This can be done at the draft or next season, depending on when we can get the best value).
But I think the biggest deal would be one of our big three on defense. We could trade either Mitchell or Scuderi or Greene. I’m not sure why we haven’t resigned Mitchell yet (any ideas?), but if we aren’t going to resign him then lets trade him, the market out there for him right now is huge. If we are going to keep him, then resign him already and think about trading Scuderi or Greene. (no need to rehash the “we need three stay at home Dmen” argument – I understand the point , but just disagree). There are cup contending teams (Phi, Chi) just waiting to overpay in prospects/picks to pick up that coveted stay at home defenseman.
We traded away some youth and depth thinking this was the year. Well, it’s not the year. Let’s bring some of that youth and depth back into the organization and keep building. This is an incredibly deep draft coming up – I would sure love to have more than one pick in the first 3 rounds.
To Recap.
Penner: 2nd round draft pick
Stoll: 3rd round draft pick
Bernier: 1st round draft pick + offensive prospect
Scuderi/Mitchell: Draft pick + offensive prospect
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AZ King Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@CabbagesAndKings,
Trading Bernier for anything less than a high quakity NHL winger is a waste. Getting only a draft pick, and maybe a prospect is a flat out crime.
Trading Mitchell or Scuderi would be a mistake IMO. I’m not surprised that Mitchell hasn’t been resigned yet, but I also don’t see it dragging on very far after the season is over. As a team that is still in a playoff position, you don’t trade away a great stay at home d-man, just because you’re worried about losing them for nothing over the summer.
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nykingfan Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:18 am
@CabbagesAndKings,
Who in their right mind is going to give you a 2nd rd pick for Penner?
5 goals and a healthy scratch usually bring you back a 5th or 6th rd pick.
Stolly might be different because he does a lot of different things, but I still think his value is with the Kings come playoff time.
Any trade of our D’men will occur during the off season, unless it’s moving one of the young kids on a deadline move, which I don’t see.
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johnjuan Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@nykingfan, Teams that play sytems that score goals dont worry about the lack of numbers from Kings players. They leave here and become scoring machines.
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nykingfan Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
@johnjuan,
so they overpay for that?
Not likely!
PP Anybody? Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
@nykingfan, Bottom line is, as much as Kings fans can only see what’s happening right now, the league still sees a guy who has proven several times to be a 25-30 goal scorer in Penner. The rest of the league also knows that the kings main priority is to have all their players play defense first. I’m convinced that there are some teams out there that would be more than willing to take a chance on him arming up for the playoffs. I’m also convinced that if he winds up on a Detroit or a Vancouver or a Boston, he just might wind up scoring again and winning another Cup.
It is more than reasonable to think that a 2nd round pick, decent prospect, or mid level winger could be had for him if DL plays his cards right.
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nykingfan Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
@PP Anybody?,
your lips(fingers) to God’s ear!
I cansee those teams willing to take a flyer on Penner to see if there’s anything left, I just don’t see thsoe teams willing to surrender anything other than minimal prosepcts/picks for a guy who doesn’t want to play hard. those are the guys you get bargain basement cheap.
I hope you’re right and I’m wrong!
LA_1968 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@CabbagesAndKings, I agree that Penner is worth something. Same for Stoll. I like your conservativism in valuing them too.
But with Nash on the market throw this to Columbus:
JJ, Bernier, First Rounder
for
Rick Nash
Call Voynov and a backup goalie up, then pray we can sign Quick. If we can’t then we’d be stuck with trying to sign a free agent goalie after NEXT year.
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art Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@LA_1968,
I’m with you on this, but I don’t think that’s enough to get Rick Nash, and I wouldn’t be too happy with giving up more than that. The key to that deal is Bernier’s value, and I think we tend to overvalue him. I’d like to see a contract extension for Quick this summer and then we’d have a full year to look at offers for Bernier. It seems like the longer that we wait to sign Quick, the higher his contract value with be. We’ll have $8mil that summer with Gagne, Scuderi, and Richardson off the books, but we also will need to give raises to Clifford, Voynov, and maybe even Jordan Nolan. The good thing after this year is that Loktionov hasn’t earned a big raise and King hasn’t played enough at the NHL level to earn a big raise. They’ll both be re-signed at value contracts.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@art, I agree with you that we tend to overvalue our own guys. I find myself doing the same thing. However, I have given Bernier a lot of thought. Last year he was ranked as a prospect on all the sites that rate that sort of thing even though he was still a backup with the big club. Bernier was in the top 10 on all those sites. He, and Schenn, were the main reason we were rated as the top prospect club. I’m not saying Bernier should bring as much as Schenn. He may have lost a little value this year but personally I love the way he plays goalie. By virtue of being a top (10) prospect he is mathematically worth more than a first round pick. There are 30 of those yearly and only a handful make it to top prospect status. Again, mathematically, in my estimation he would be worth 2 first rounders simply by the odds of kids panning out. You can even further the odds by considering the buyer can pick the position (not every year there is an available player at the position you need when your turn comes up). So if you buy this logic, then you’re basically offering 3 firsts (2 for Bernier plus 1 real pick) plus JJ for Nash. Plus they only have to wait for one of the picks to mature or trade it.
hockeynerd Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
@art, Nolan isn’t up for a contract he still has one more year on his entry level contract. I highly doubt he is King on the other hand if up for a new contract this summer, so lets hope they don’t give him a crap qualifying offer like they did Holloway.
hockeynerd Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@art, Sorry i was going to say i highly doubt he is getting a raise this year at least (Nolan)
hockeynerd Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@art, Also King has played more NHL games then Nolan. and is the one up for a contract this year, did you maybe get them mixed up ??
taylorskings Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
@LA_1968,
Rick Nash is 66th in points with 18 goals and 39 points, with no one ahead of him even close to his -22 +/-, he is just ahead of Justin Williams, who has 11 goals and 39 points, a +6. That means to get 7 more goals, you risk giving up 22 for a cherry picking/non back checker, and at $7.8 million per year, vs. $3.6 per year for Williams, I would go find more players that are non-marque, but do similar work production. Cut loose the dead weight, and not give up JJ and others.
P.S. Brad Richards in right in the middle of these two in points at 17 goals 39 points a -2, at a $7.8 million in cost.
Its not like either of these two(Richards or Nash) have carried their teams on their backs. They are overpriced for desperate teams.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
@taylorskings, Have to totally disagree with your opinions on those two guys. They are both studs. Brad Richards is older but still has a lot in the tank. Main difference in NYR being the number one team in the league right now.
PARKING_053 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
@LA_1968, Liked your trade proposal, but would include Penner as part of the deal – mainly because of his $5MM cap hit.Maybe we could get a goalie (Mason or Sanford) as part of the deal. I know Mason hasn’t done much over last two years; but he’s a sitting duck behind Jackets D and a change of scenery, plus our defense might be what he needs to rebound.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
@PARKING_053, Yeah, I didn’t talk about that… there would have to be a salary dump of some kind. Otherwise we couldn’t get Nash under our cap. I like it when they play Sanford and Son music during the game too.
puck73 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@CabbagesAndKings, If you think anyone would give up a 2nd round pick for Penner, you couldnt be more wrong. Selanne is worth a 2nd round pick and a prospect, even at 41. Penner ? Be real man. I would re sign Mitchell and Scuderi, and keep Greene. As for Stoll< a 3rd round pick is possible. Bernier? I agree with you. He is worth alot whether we trade him at the deadline for a big fish, or we trade him in the off season.
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:34 am
@puck73, I think GM’s have longer memories then fans do. Just because Penner has been horrible on the Kings, doesn’t mean he couldn’t have significant value for an offensively minded team looking for some size up front. I have no doubt Toronto would make that trade.
@LA_1968, It’s hard not to overvalue your own players — I think all fans do it when suggesting trades. I tried to be objective as possible. And I’d take that Nash trade, no doubt.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@CabbagesAndKings, DL must go after Nash hard. He is a dream player and would fit our system perfectly. In return Columbus can’t expect to get half a team though. They might be just waiting for an offer they can’t refuse.
nykingfan Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@CabbagesAndKings,
Teams may have interest in him, but nobody’s going to give up a high draft pick for an under-performing player…unless you think you’ll find that one dumb GM!
Put yourself in that team’s shoes for a second…If you see a player who has the potential to score, but for the past year has played completely uninspired hockey for a playoff team. He’s played for 2 coaches…You can blame TM, but what about DS?
Knowing all of the gross baggage that he’ll be carrying to your team, why would you give up something so valuable as a 2nd rd pick..even a 3rd rounder?
His value is in getting him dirt cheap and hoping he goes back to the way he used to play.
MindGeyser Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@CabbagesAndKings, The problem is and was, the team has enough pieces to be competitive, but not elite, now. What good does re-upping on prospects do? It moves the time to become elite further away while not reducing the competitive nature of the team to get those high draft picks. It puts the team in draft purgatory, and for what? Because this season didn’t turn out as hoped? The Kings aren’t the only ones in that boat.
Over valuing prospects as a means to replace quality to high-end veterans is how you wind up missing Handzus all year.
The best move to make here is none at all. This year, the team isn’t going to get value for what it can afford to pay unless Calgary is really, really kind and takes players it doesn’t need in return for one the Kings do. Yet, if the team decides to make a move just to make a move, then it diminishes the ability to get the value it needs later. The reason the Kings were able to get Mike Richards is because Lombardi rebuffed all the previous attempts other teams made to acquire Brayden Schenn.
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bbb7 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@CabbagesAndKings, I’m more and more inclined to agree with you. The Kings will have salary cap issues if they signed Carter or Nash, enough that we might have problems re-signing Quick, which would be an eternal mistake. Better to get a mid-level 2nd/3rd liner for Stoll or Martinez, and get draft picks for Penner and Lewis. I’d even be inclined to trade Scuderi for a decent 2nd-liner; I havent been all that impressed with his play this year. Trading or not resigning Mitchell would be a big mistake tho.
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MindGeyser Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@bbb7, Stoll (3.6), Penner (4.25), Parse (.9), and Hunter (.6) come off the books at the end of the year. That’s $9.35 mil. Gagne’s $3.5, Scuderi’s $3.4 (a great deal), Drewiske’s $.6, and Richardson’s $1.175 come off the next year. That’s another $8.675 mil. No need for trades to clear space yet.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
@bbb7, If DL and Jeff Solomon thought they would have salary problems trading for a Nash or signing a guy like Richards, Parise, Kovy they never would go after them. They know what Quick is going to command and they planned accordingly every move that they make. As for bernier there are only 2 guys I would trade him for and that is Nash or Parise (At the deadline.) With discussions for Quick starting July 1st on an extension they will have time to work out a deal. However if the Kings have a shot at Nash they gotta do whatever it takes to get him. Nash’s stats this year and his defensive stats are all a product of the horrible team that he plays on. Put him on a better team and his stats will change. I doubt Nash has ever had a Center the caliber of Kopitar. I believe he would take off playing with Kopi and become the 40-50 goal guy again. To get him as I said in earlier threads, Bernier, Johnson, Penner (throw in), one of Toffoli, Kozun or Kitsyn and a first round draft pick. That would not only help us by getting Nash, but it would be one of the best packages for a rebuilding team which Columbus will be making this trade. We also get Sanford to back up Quick. It is a Win Win for both teams. Mitchell will be resigned.
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tim chaney Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
@Jeff_R, not giving up jack, not giving up toffoli…
hockeynerd Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
@Jeff_R, Can someone explain why Kozun is such a highly regarded player? 6th round pick he’s listed at 5’8 165 he looks like hes 5’5 ……. he as had OK numbers, he is a minus player this year -8 on a line with King and Vey who are both plus players.
I don’t get it, is this more of a fan favourite type thing or am i missing something ….. Moller was/his a way higher caliber player then Kozun and he can’t make it.
I want to see the Kings win please let get a winning streak for once!
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I vote for a trade
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Has Gagne still been skating? Any updates on him?
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Matthew Motush Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:19 am
@lilwaynesimmonds, He skated before practice http://twitvid.com/O9Q4Z
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Dominick Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@Matthew Motush, Nice to see him out on the ice.
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Rich,
Any word on how Gagne felt after he skated the other day? Not really expecting much, but hoping he’s at least starting to feel back to normal.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:17 am
@AZ King,
Here he is 30mins ago…
https://twitter.com/deepinsidekings/statuses/169493951819153408
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AZ King Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:23 am
@wavesinair,
Thanks for posting that! Really nice to see him back out on the ice. Like I said, I’m not expecting much, but it would be great if he’s able to be back in time for the playoffs.
It looks like he shaved his beard off…
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furrylats Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@AZ King, BAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHA.
I’m sorry, I’m sorry. Thought I read playoffs. Oh shoot, I did. Hmm…
KC23 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:23 am
@wavesinair, Thanks for the video. That was about as cheerful looking as the end of “Ole Yellow”. He looked aweful lonely.
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@wavesinair, As always, thanks for the update.
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Cruiznblue Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@wavesinair,
Yeah thanks for the video…looked kinda depressing watching him though…you could tell he couldn’t do much on the ice.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
@Cruiznblue, Yeah, he was taking it easy. That’s probably all the doctor wanted. Right after that they give him a symptom test to see if there’s anything. If not, try it again a little harder. If he doesn’t run into any symptoms he’d probably take a month at best to pass all the tests and get in shape to play.
wavesinair Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@Cruiznblue,
He skated really hard too…
Mongo88 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@wavesinair, Thanks for that!
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Dominick Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@wavesinair, Good news for fans to at least see him skating. Not too long ago, he couldn’t even be at the rink.
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Wearing a yellow jersy. Awkward!
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Does Penner realize how many millions of dollars are on the line for him? Be selfish that way if for no other reason.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
@LA_1968, Hes getting paid 4+ million to make pancakes at IHOP. He made a ton of money thanks to Kevin Lowe. I doubt he is worried about money. He can sign a cheap 1 yr deal next season with a team and get back to his inconsistent 20+ goals he scores so that he can get a multi year contract 2 years from now.
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LA_1968 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
@Jeff_R, If he’s not worried about money now he will regret it later after he retires. His contract next year would be his prime years contract. He’s looking at proving himself again next year for 2-3 million. That’s instead of a 4 year deal for $20 million. If DS’s benching works it just might save Penner $10 million dollars.
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since the first two lines are set for now, how about this for the 3rd and 4th lines:
Penner-Lokti-Lewis
Richardson-Fraser-Clifford
Got some size, speed, and playmaking ability on each line.
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Cruiznblue Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@Phil,
Except your missing the “finish” ability on each of those lines…
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Dominick Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
@Cruiznblue, We’re missing the finish ability on all 4 lines. That is why we’re 30th in offense. I’m not convinced that it has anything to do with line combinations exclussively. So far no matter how the players are aligned, we’re still 30th in offense.
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Penner needs a ‘For Sale’ jersey, anything to keep the youngsters in the mix. Also, keep Westie in the mix, it will give the opponents something to worry about having an ‘enforcer-type’ coming over the boards periodically….
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eric Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:32 am
@Seals2Kings,
Westie should be dressed every game unless the Kings acquire another enforcer thats a better player, like Ben Eager.
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JWR Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@eric,
We already have one currently on the roster, Jordan Nolan.
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Bernier + Johnson + 1st for Rick Nash. Also would need to dump some salary (Penner).
It would be painful for everyone (except Jeff Zatkoff), but it would land a superstar.
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puck73 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@Jonathan, I would make that deal if Columbus would agree to it.
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@puck73, throw in DB and they might… they’ll need to fill holes with adequate players, not just heartbeats…
I would be willing to roll the dice and land Nash. but you already know this.
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Cruiznblue Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@Jonathan,
You could even throw Stoll into that trade…I’d take it in a heartbeat!
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@Cruiznblue, I would rather “throw” DP in then stolly…
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DesertKing Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@Stuart,
I would do any of the above deals listed above as long as Kompon is part of the package.
Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
@DesertKing, that would bring the immediate VETO to the table for any team… LOL
Newf Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@Jonathan, i’d go for that. get rid of pancakes too.
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Gustavo Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:52 am
@Jonathan,
Nash has a no trade clause he will NOT give up to be moved to a western conference team, except Detroit. He’s sick and tired of losing in Columbus, but he’s just as tired of traveling. My bet is the Rangers get him and win the cup this year by beating the Canucks in Vancouver in 4 games.
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bmova Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@Jonathan, Why does everyone want to get rid of JJ??? Bernier, Martinez, a first rounder, and a conditional draft pick; you can throw in Penner too!
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
@bmova, only because you have to give to get… Nash IS a franchise player.
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art Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
@Stuart,
Totally agree. As good as Mike Richards is, the only franchise player forward we have is Kopitar. I can see Nash as a 50 goal scorer and Kopitar a 100 point player if these guys were playing together. And MR would be putting up more points playing with better wingers too. In order to get Nash we would have to give up JJ. Luckily we have VV who can probably step right into JJ’s spot and Hickey is still developing nicely in Manchester.
mash-ola Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@Jonathan, That would be a great trade for the Kings. But it’s a trade, and both sides have to agree to it. Why in the world would Columbus accept so little for a franchise player Like Rick Nash? If I’m Columbus and I was forced to deal him, I’d ask for a top-line forward, a defenseman and maybe a goalie and a 1st round pick or two. Nash isn’t holding a gun to management, so he’s not forcing their hand, and I believe he is under contract for at least another 2-3 years. I would ask the Kings for Bernier, my pick of either Willie Mitchell or Jack Johnson, my pick of Justin Williams/Dustin Brown/or maybe Kyle Clifford and a 1st round pick. But that’s just me thinking if I were in the Blue Jackets shoes…
It’s funny to see how some people here think they can simply dump the Kings trash on another team and that the other team would JUMP at a chance for players like Penner, Martinez, etc. Penner makes too much money and puts out too little effort for anyone to be seriously interested in him.
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@mash-ola, I’ve stated JB, DB, a roster-ready veteran Dman (of which you listed a few, except I wouldn’t put WM out there) and DP’s contract… do the deal?
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mash-ola Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@Stuart, Columbus would probably want a pick as well. I put Willie Mitchell there with Columbus’s best interests in consideration. He would instantly solidify their blueline, and if they are looking to free up cap space, he’s a UFA at the end of the season. But yeah, you’re probably getting close to what the Jackets would ask for in return. To me, I’d do anything BUY trade Nash if I were Columbus. I would maybe dangle him to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan and Lubo… but that’s just me!
Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
@mash-ola, but if they are going to go 100% rebuild-mode, I would think they’d want more than just 2 NHL ready roster players, with the obligatory picks…
Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@mash-ola, Look at Columbus. There two biggest problems are defense and goaltending. Trading Nash will help with the defense (JJ), goaltending (Bernier.) We then add in a prospect and #1 pick. Toffoli, Kitsyn, Kozun (one of these.) The Blue Jackets can then trade Carter for an top forward. As for Detroit I don’t know how they can afford Nash, especially when they will be needing help on defense if Lidstrom retires. I am sure they will try and get Suter or Weber and they are going to cost a lot. As for the Rangers I just don’t see them having enough to trade to help Columbus, even though they can afford Nash. That is why I think the Kings are one of a few teams that have everything Nash would like and Columbus too inn trade.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
@Jeff_R, I forgot if Columbus will do it throw in Penner. Then Columbus can throw in Sanford to us.
Bama Kings Reply:
February 15th, 2012 at 5:49 am
@Jonathan, The move needs to put us in a position to sign Quick later and keep other guys when it’s time. I’m going to get stoned, but DD and Bernier get the deal done. We could even add penner and get another player back. Depending on the quality of that player coming back, we can toss a pick in to equal it out.
Between lossing Penner and DD’s salary, plus the salaries that come off the books at the end fo the year, you have a core that includes:
Kopitar, Nash, Brown, Richards, Quick, Williams, VV, JJ…. some strong stay at homers and some good youth.
You also have a ton of cash to resign Quick long term and go shopping in the off-season.
This is the move. Some combination of DD and Bernier and Penner and Picks for Nash AND player(s) coming back that are NHL level.
Jackets get a core to build with, we keep our core and add a franchise player and an NHL player. We lose the ridiculous contract we have for DD, we take a shot a the cup this year and we can add even more talent in the off season.
This is the move to make. And I can’t imagine the Jackets not taking it.
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Clifford – Fraser – Westgarth seemed to be a good fit. I’m not really seeing Clifford as effective on that 3rd line.
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eric Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@KC23,
I would like to see the Kings get rid of Loktionov and Lewis, who IMO, are the reason why Clifford is not playing up to par on that line. Swap Loktionov for Stoll (when healthy) and Lewis for Richardson:
Clifford-Stoll-Richardson
Clune-Fraser-Westgarth
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KingsFletch Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
@eric, Couldn’t disagree more. Lokti needs to stay and be our 3rd line center of the future. Young kid, getting better and stronger… with another full offseason under his belt he’ll be a really good player. Stoll sucks. I’d like to see him as a 4th line center for cheap pay, if not let him walk in free agency cuz he sucks. At least Lokti has some upside. And Richardson… lol what a joke he is
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
@KingsFletch, I am not sure if he meant getting rid of Lokti for good or just the rest of this season. I think Lokti will be better off in Manchester and going through there playoff run and put Stoll back as 3rd line center for our playoff run. Next season Stoll will be gone and Lokti can take on the 3rd line center. Preferably his linemates will include the likes of Toffoli, Kozun, Kitsyn, Weal and the like.
KC23 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@eric, I’d take Lewis over Richardson any day. Richardson is as useless as any King on the roster.
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AZ King Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@KC23,
Clifford and Westgarth play really well with each other. Fraser is the most positive surprise of the season.
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eric Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@AZ King,
Very true. That line was very effective. Why DS broke them up is beyond my thought process…
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puck73 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@KC23, Agree. Clifford plays a more effective brand of hockey with Westgarth on his off wing. I think its because Clifford can concentrate more on playing the game, instead of looking to kick someones ass. With Westgarth and Fraser alongside, he can do just that, and drop the gloves if need be.
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eric Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:39 am
@puck73,
Yeah, that line was ferocious and brought big game intensity. Although I don’t agree with DS’s decision to take Clifford off that line, he must see serious potential in Clifford to give him more ice time on the third line, not to mention on the penalty kill.
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Has anyone noticed that Simmpnds has 18 goals and 16 assists. Schenn had two goals in the last game, including the game winner
Nice trade!
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Interesting. Finally got to hear an angry Sutter. First I’ve heard him yell. Basically let loose with an expletive filled rant during a botched drill.
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Mikey Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:48 am
@wavesinair, I hope you got that on video!
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@wavesinair, at who??? was it a passing drill by chance??? I wonder what DS voice sounds like when it’s yelling??? I’m picturing the mountain man from Blazing Saddles LOL
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Michael J. Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
@Stuart,
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wavesinair Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:54 am
I missed it. Was uploading…
Was directed at everyone but it was a scrimmage drill between the first and fourth lines. Hard to tell what he was keying in on, but he kept saying puck over and over with a few other choice words.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@wavesinair, boo..ur fired..lol jk
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@wavesinair, sre you sure he was saying “Puck” with a P?
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DesertKing Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
@Lake Forest,
What are you trying to do? Get Waves sent to the cornfield?
Michael J. Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
@wavesinair,
Look, we all get pissed at Puck73 every now and then. Today its Sutter’s turn.
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Penner/Fraser/Westy got a long look. Video uploading to twitter now… @deepinsidekings
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So lets say we put Penner on the trading block, and no one picks him up, do we put him on waivers? he clears waivers and is sent down to AHL? I’m not sure if his contract is 2-way. Anyone want to fill me in?
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TeamJMFJ Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@Mikey, he definitely has a 1 way contract. He would have to go through waivers and would most certainly be picked up.
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Simarosa Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@Mikey,
Rather not have Penner in Manchester……..the Moreau thing didn’t work out so well.
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AZ King Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Mikey,
In real life two-way contracts work differently than how they are shown in the video games. Basically all a two-way contract does is set two different player salaries, depending on where the play. For instance, Voynov gets paid more for playing in the NHL than he does playing in the AHL. Penner is not on a two-way contract which means that he gets paid the same no matter where he plays.
Hope this helps clear up some confusion.
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KC23 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@Mikey, Penner is more effective than Hunter, Richardson and Westgarth. I’m thinking Richardson and Hunter are going to be seeing serious press box time although I think Hunter will go on wavers as soon as Stoll can play.
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Mikey Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@Mikey, Thanx guys, really cleared it all up
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Anybody seeing the Rick Nash rumors floating around out there? Does anyone think there is a remote possibility the Kings pull off an incredible move here?
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fsd1 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@tylock07, have you read any of the blog today? It is all Nash.
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@tylock07, well, if you’re asking my opnion…
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Dominick Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@tylock07, I say “no” personally.
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KC23 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@tylock07, I doubt the King’s will get him, but it is possible. I just see no reason why Nash would want to come to LA unless he likes playing with Carter and he is in the deal.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
@KC23, I would think think Nash would love playing with kopi more so then Carter. Carter isn’t the playmaking Center that Nash needs. Playing with kopi and even Richards he would be really happy. Why else wouldn’t he want to come to L.A.? There is no problem here in terms of media, we have some great players to play with including Kopi and Richards. Really the only reason I can see why he wouldn’t want to come here is the travel. But the Kings are a young team (around Nash’s age) and he can grow with them. Plus he has friends from Canada Olympic team in Doughty and Richards. The Kings, regardless of what some people here think, are a contending team for the Cup.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@tylock07,
You need 4g. Nash was so 3 days ago…..
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
@DesertKing, LMAOROFL!!!
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Shakes Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
@DesertKing, hahahaha
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Dominick Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
@DesertKing,
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
@DesertKing, ROFL
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mash-ola Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
@tylock07, Also on TSN.ca, Deren Dreger did a radio interview and spoke in detail about the Kings’ presence being felt around different venues as they are scouting heavily (Montreal) as the trade deadline approaches. He also said they figure to be players shoud Rick Nash become available. Listen to it as it’s an interesting 12 minute audio spot.
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MickSorley Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
@mash-ola, Link?
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Lombardi’s here, watching intently. Super hard skate just concluded. End to end for each line, over and over and over again. Post-practice shoot around in full effect now.
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KC23 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@wavesinair, The plot thickens. Maybe Lombardi needs to speek to some out going players?
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DesertKing Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
@wavesinair,
Uh oh, DS must have watched “Miracle” again.
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Shakes Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
@DesertKing,
we will not quit until we can beat the Swedish “B” team!…
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DesertKing Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
@Shakes,
“Again!”
mash-ola Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@wavesinair, It seems like they shouldn’t have to rely on a pair of young kids, get yelled at by the coach, or feel the presence of what may be a trade deadline deal to bring the Team some energy and motivation.
They’re sitting dangerously close to missing the playoffs, they are not playing altogether that well, and they’re having horrendous problems scoring. They know they are not out of the woods by any means.
Shouldn’t this be motivation enough without having the coaching staff/management breathing down their necks? Are they that oblivious? Crazy, eh?
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People…I can’t take looking at another trade proposal involving JJ.
It makes less than no sense.
You have a young stud 2 way defenseman jut heading into his prime. Working under a very reasonable contract with plenty of time left.
He’s not going anywhere and to suggest that he should be INCLUDED in a package for Nash or Carter is beyind laughable.
Forwards are always available in this league…JJ type Defensemen never are.
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fsd1 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
@nykingfan, I’m with you!
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
@nykingfan, which is why he might be a lynch pin in the entire (theoretical) deal… Forwards might always be available, but one of Nash’s ilk? it’s a 3-2 league and Nash could get us to 4 a lot more often than not…
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nykingfan Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@Stuart,
we all thought the same thing about Penner.
Nash is a great talent, but he never made anyone in Columbus better by playing with him.
How do we know he’ll fit in with the Kings smoothly? rwemember Kovalcuk going to NJ at the deadline? Is Nash more talented than Kovalchuk?
We know what JJ brings every night and we all know how much better he’s going to get.
Both he and Doughty are irreplaceable parts on the Kings.
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
@nykingfan, I’d really have to think about whether or not Nash is MORE talented than Kova… I’d put more value on Nash, at least he has some inclination as to what D means.
And just for the record, Penner could not even stand in Nash’s shadow. If we got Nash and he laid eggs like Penner has, I would submit myself to the ultimate humiliation that a kings fan can suffer (whatever that may be).
It seems to me that a lot of fans suffer like DL has in his past, afraid to deal with change. And I don’t mean change for the sake of change, change for the sake of getting exponentially better… and before you bring up Penner’s name again, even if he scored more, no one thought he would make the Kings EXPONENTIALLY better, just better.
mash-ola Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@nykingfan, Do We??? And Are They??? That to me is still up for debate.
nykingfan Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@Stuart,
Forget the Penner comparison. A newborn brings more to the table than he does.
I meant when Kovalchuk was traded mid season to the devils. Even with all of his amazing talent, he couldn’t help the Devils make the playoffs. He didn’t mesh with their system at all and it hurt the team.
I’m not saying the same thing would happen with Nash, but you can’t escape that possibility. That’s why I would rather wait for the off season to make a move like bringing in a Nash.
KC23 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
@nykingfan, Don’t remember seeing anyone saying “should”, but lots of “coulds”. The fact that JJ has a reasonable contract is actually the reason that he “could” be used. As far as laughable … no more or less laughable than JJ’s plus/minus.
Don’t get me wrong though, I like JJ and hope he stays. I think his plus/minus will get better and better.
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nykingfan Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@KC23,
the contract is a huge part of whay we shouldn’t trade him.
Unless we want to go into the playoffs with 1st year defensmen playing in a 7 game series agiant the likes of SJ/Vancouver, you’re almost forced to go out and get a guy like Weber or Suter. at what point can the Kings no longer afford to take on these ridiculous contracts?
JJ’s deal free’s you up to spend more money on other areas of weakness.
We’ve all beeen arguing the merits of +/- I do know his play has been much much better this season than in any years prior.
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KC23 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
@nykingfan, I’m just a believer that there never is anyone that shouldn’t be traded … for the right price.
Barry's Mullet Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
@nykingfan, 100% agree!
JJ is under appreciated by too many on this board. Players of his caliber at the reasonable cap hit he has are few and far between. His defense is soooo much better. Just wait for this team to sort out there offensive problems and watch this guy blossom. Not to mention he is one of the more slippery dmen in the league. He seems to get out of trouble easier than most.
One of the main reasons why we are in the top 3 in defense!
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, what kind of trouble do you see JJ getting out of? absorbing big hits? I see him getting out of trouble by making terrible passes leading to turnoves which put someone else on the ice in “trouble”… JJ’s good, but he’s not untouchable.
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Barry's Mullet Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Stuart, The kings are at the top of the league in defense. JJ is not untouchable, but pretty damn close. It may be hard for you to believe, but the offense is easier to fix than defense. Don’t mess with the defense. I read another post of yours where you thought this team would be ok without Scuds or Mitchell…I believe you take this teams defense for granted. Nash would be nice and I would trade JJ and Bernier straight up for him, but CBJ would never make that deal.
Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, not WM, I think I’ve said Scuds and Greener, even JJ if that’s what the deal hung by, but not WM… And I might take our D for granted, but considering a lot of folks wouldn’t mind giving up 1 more GAA to score 2 more, I would give a little D to get a lot more O. With the youth movement we have coming up, we’ll need to move a Dman or two in the next few years to get those boys into some games…
Dominick Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
@nykingfan, Couldn’t agree more. I think most just can’t fathom how they could get their fantasy player on the Kings without using JJ, or Bernier.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@nykingfan, Like I said I would only trade Bernier for 2 guys Nash and Parise. The same goes for JJ. With the fact that we have VV in the wings and Hickey close also it helps to alleviate the loss of JJ. I don’t want to see JJ leave either as I feel he is going to get better and better. However our need for a guy like Nash and or Parise changes that.
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Play Penner only if you want to lose…
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Here’s some of the hard skate…
https://twitter.com/deepinsidekings/statuses/169513779216920578
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tornado12 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
@wavesinair, that looks like fun!
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I wouldn’t mind Stoll and Penner continue to be where they are at the moment. Healthy scratch and IR. They haven’t done anything this year and I have liked what I have seen from Nolan and King. Lets keep seeing if they can continue to play well.
If it continues then don’t mess with a good thing. If they need to take Stoll off of IR then I say put Trent Hunter on waivers to keep both Nolan or King up. Healthy scratch Stoll and Penner then.
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AZ King Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
@Todd,
Stoll is an important part of the team. He needs to be in the line-up when he’s healthy. He’s not showing up on the score sheet, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t do a lot of other important things on the ice.
He should not be on the 2nd line, which is part of the problem this season. He needs to be the third line center, between Lewis and Richie. That’s where he’s going to be most effective.
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KC23 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@Todd, Stoll and Penner are both a lot better than several in the bottom 6. Especially Stoll.
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Niko Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
@KC23,
Agree. If DL does not get a deal done the Kings will need Stoll and Pens in the line-up come playoff time. There’s no reason to dump Penner if we don’t have to clear cap space for a Nash or Carter.
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Just heard a tsn report about 2 King’s scouts following Montreal closely. Word is Kings want a winger with size. Kinda funny considering Nolan and King sudden appearance.
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
@KC23, Isn’t the all the Kings ever want… not speed, not snipe, size.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@KC23,
Hopefully it isn’t the same scouts who recommended Penner.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
@DesertKing, Penner was a good trade. Nobody could of ever predicted he would have only 5 goals scored this season and be a huge failure. I doubt any scout watching him would of predicted that.
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mash-ola Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@KC23, I’m guessing it’s Travis Moen, Andrei Kostitsyn, or Rene Bourque… Wouldn’t mind seeing Moen with the Kings if the price is right. Max Pacioretty would be nice, too, but since he’s the Habs’ leading goal scorer, I doubt it.
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
@mash-ola, Moen could be very valuable in a PO run, he sure was with the quacks… (excuse me while I gargle with vinegar after saying/remembering that)
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MickSorley Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@mash-ola, Going strictly by the numbers I am not that impressed with Moen. As the poster above mentioned there could be some intangibles but don’t we want wingers who can put the puck in the net? Moen has only had one season where he scored more than 10 goals (11 in 05-06).
Kostitsyn is a bit better with a couple of 20 goal seasons so maybe there is some potential upside there.
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Been listening to several trade deadline reports. I find it telling that Penner and Stoll’s names never ever comes up. Along the same lines it is also interesting that Mitchell name never comes up. I think it must be well known that Mitchell is not out there for a trade. Hopefully DL can somehow keep Mitchell.
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@KC23, I have had DL’s back throughout this whole process. if he let’s WM go, I will NEVER EVER defend him. Trading WM is simply out of the question in my opinion. I do not think for a second that he is expendable. he is the backbone to our defense, definitely a veteran leader for our young guys.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
@Lake Forest,
Definitely need to keep WM and resign him. Heart, soul, skill, leadership plus he found a way to increase his offensive production.
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KC23 Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
@Lake Forest, Depends, if DL feels there is no chance of resigning Mitchell all bets are off. That being said I am a HUGE WM fan and want him resigned more than I wanted DD to sign actually.
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@KC23, you have a good point there.
For all you Nash’ers out there: Keep dreaming. The only way the Kings pull that off is if they include names like Doughty and Brown in the deal. No way we’re getting him for Bernier & a pick, Penner & JJ, or any combination of the above. It’s going to have to be a blockbuster deal.
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@DY, i have no problem including names like Brown in a deal for Nash… why not? Is DB such an integral part of this team that it would not be able to ice a relevant team without him? I think if people are unwilling to part with something to get somethign in return, then they’re dealing from their hearts, and not their smarts!
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DY Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
@Stuart, I agree. I’m just sick of bloggers posting crap like “Bernier & a pick for Nash.” Totally unrealistic.
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
@DY, totally… or all of our Dmen rookies for Nash, or anyone else for that matter… oh well, we’ll see what happens.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
@Stuart, I like to keep Brown as he is the only guy left pre Lombardi and the Senior member of the team. I really like us to win with Brown on the team. However if he is the difference in getting Nash, then bye bye Dustin and hope you do well in Columbus.
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Sebastian Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
@DY, not to mention he would have to waive his no trade clause to come to LA, which I am very pessimistic about
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
@Sebastian, Coming out and saying that Nash is available could only be done if Nash said ok to it. I sincerely doubt that Columbus came out saying this without getting his ok first, whether he initiated it himself or Howson came and asked him remains to be seen. But none of this would happen without his ok, so the NMC is basically not in affect anymore. Of course they may not trade him at all, but I am sure now that it is out it will happen sooner then later.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@DY,
Since Blockbuster is just about out of business, should we now start referring to significant deals as “Netflix” deals? Just sayin’,,,,,,,,,
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
@DesertKing, considering their business decisions as of late I would hope not.
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Dominick Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
@DesertKing, Maybe they could tie it into the X-Box 360 so fans can make the trades themselves. Maybe a video game or something.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
@DesertKing, Didn’t Dish Network buy Blockbuster?
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PP Anybody? Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
@DY, Exactly. I know it’s fun to fantasize about getting rid of all our bottom ring players for one of the top 10 talents in the league, but get serious people. If anything, think of what other teams can offer for Nash. Heck, Chicago could offer Patrick Kane and still be in a good spot with getting Nash in return. We aren’t getting Nash for anything less than adding any combination of JJ, Brownie, Doughty, Bernier, Cliffy, or JW into any trade conversations.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
@PP Anybody?, Why would Chicago make a trade for Nash? There problem is Goaltending and Defense not offense.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
@Jeff_R, If Nash is available, every team in contention will make a run for him if they can work it out. Chicago can make that deal, then figure another one out for a D man or goalie. Good teams think about lots of options and in layers of how to address making their team better.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
@PP Anybody? Chicago is not a good trading partner for Columbus. They just don’t have the Cap space available to get an almost 8 million cap hit that Nash has. Yes they could trade off of there roster but how does that help Columbus any. Yes they can get a top forward but they can’t get a top defenseman or goalie, like they can from the Kings. Basically to equal the Cap on both ends it would have to be like Kane, Sharp and Seabrooke for Nash. As a Hawk fan do you really want to do that (don’t mean you personally.) Hawks can’t do it cap wise on just prospects and picks and Kane. Just won’t work. Ask CB14 about cap woes and obtaining a high cap player. The fact that CB14 is saying what he is, is more to do with the Hawks then the Kings.
Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@PP Anybody?, why would CBJ want to trade 1 star for 1 star??? Rebuild!!! As many as they can grab for their 1 blue chip!
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PP Anybody? Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
@Stuart, I was simply stating a starting point for Chicago. They can mix prospects and picks too if that get’s them a deal. I’m just saying to look at what other teams can offer, as opposed to thinking that the Kings can just offer Bernier and have a done deal. Just ain’t gonna get it done. Lots of teams will put forth good offers for Nash. Pony up.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
@DY, I think that Columbus would rather have JJ then DD. Mostly because DD’s cap is 7 million and JJ’s is just above 4. Trading Nash means they are going into FULL REBUILD MODE meaning slashing budget. I also feel that Columbus will be fine with JJ. Remmember they will most likely have 2 first round picks (maybe 3 with Carter trade) after the Nash trade, with the first one probably being #1. Jack would be better for Columbus as will Bernier and one of our forward prospects and 1st round pick. That is something I feel Columbus will go for, to help plug a couple holes of the many holes they have.
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What is everyone’s thoughts on trading for a guy like Mike Knuble? He’s verbally expressed not being happy in Washington. I don’t think we’d have to give up too much. He’s a gritty front net presence guy that we have missed since trading away simmers, smyth, and zus.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
@Kingscup25, I thought about trading Penner for Knuble. Both of our problem childs. Helps both teams out.
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how about this scenario, as far fetched as it might be
Penner and King to Toronto for a 1st and maybe 5th or 6th round draft pick (as much as i want to give King a good long chance, I think he would be a solid addition to help this trade)
and then Bernier, Martinez, and a first round pick to Columbus for Nash
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MickSorley Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
@ThreeMachine, Part 2 is highly unlikely. Even replacing Martinez with JJ would be a stretch.
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ThreeMachine Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
@MickSorley, I thought so too, but I’m not sure who else we could add in that would make the deal work, and I am a firm believer in not trading Johnson. At his salary cap hit, potential, and the experience he already has, I don’t think we should trade him, but at the same time i know it would take someone other than Bernier in order for the Jackets to even consider it
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As exciting as the Nash news is, I don’t think a deal gets done until this summer. Trading now would require too much, which would likely throw off the little chemistry we have. Gearing up for a playoff run, the last thing we need are new holes to fill. Brown is arguably our best LW atm, and has been rumored to be part of DL’s offer. Who fills that spot? Bernier and/or Johnson would probably be included as well, and I don’t want them replaced by rookies with the playoffs around the corner.
DL is patient, which I think is one of his strengths, he doesn’t overreact. I know teams will be throwing the farm at the jackets, and to get Nash to come to LA of all places, the Kings will need to give up more than a bonafide contender. This trade would be best suited to pursue over summer so DL would have time plus any holes created by the trade.
If DL pursues anything, it should be a mid-level LW to fill the hole left by Gagne with maybe a couple years left on his contract (since Penner won’t be back next season). For this type of player I wouldn’t mind parting with Martinez/Voynov + a prospect or pick.
All this said though, DL has never been under such pressure to win. Anything could happen at this point.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
@Niko, If we get Nash Johnson can be replaced by Voynov. I feel that amongst all our defenseman right now, he is most ready to fill in a top role. If it werent for the waivers situation he would still be here. As far as Bernier he would be replaced by Sanford (most likely DL would have them include him).) As for other holes we might have, there is always a rookie from Manchester or another trade can be made for a mid level forward. This is a trade that needs to be made. It is a lot more realistic that we get a guy like Nash then hoping that we can get Parise July 1st.
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Stuart Reply:
February 14th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
@Jeff_R, yes
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Any trades made by DL right now is to save his job. So don’t be surprised to see him trade the farm for someone like Nash or Parise. It’s now or never for him. Anyone is available. Maybe Doughty or Kopitar won’t be because AEG would veto that trade. Besides guys, this team is not that good. Even if they do acquire Nash, our offense isn’t going to magically start scoring 3-4 goals a game. Nash will improve it, but not dramatically. Look at teams like Detroit, NY, Vancouver, etc and can you honestly tell me that we match up against them. We all drank the Kool Aid that Lombardi was selling and we’re looking at another first round exit as of right now.
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lol really ppl? no1 wants Penner. he’s a BUM! B. U. M. BUM!
lombardi needs to hook him up with a good softball league where he can hit clean-up
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