By all accounts, today’s call-ups, Dwight King and Jordan Nolan, will be in the lineup tomorrow. King will play his seventh NHL game and Nolan will make his NHL debut, and they will play on either side of center Mike Richards, who played his 500th NHL game last night. Darryl Sutter kept the first line (Brown-Kopitar-Williams) and third line (Clifford-Loktionov-Lewis) intact. That leaves five players (Fraser, Hunter, Penner, Richardson and Westgarth) to fill three spots on the fourth line, and it’s not known what direction Sutter might go, because those five players rotated in drills today. Sutter, no doubt, hopes the shake-up will give the Kings some life and some urgency.
SUTTER: “We’ve got to get more scoring out of guys. This isn’t about `wait and see.’ This is about now. You can be patient and teach and give them confidence, but they’ve got to perform too. That’s part of the deal. These kids are big kids that can skate. They’ve had the same knack for offense, historically if you look at it, that is the same as the group here, so why not?
“We’ll just get some big kids who can skate and play with energy, and hopefully have the identity that we’re looking for. … You’re just trying to get everybody to do the same things over and over, and keep it within that framework. So we’re going to take a real good look at these two boys, because we think they’re capable of doing that.’’
Is there a chance, then, that Penner might be out of the lineup tomorrow? It’s tough to say, but Sutter clearly was not pleased with Penner. After a strong game against Tampa Bay, Penner struggled last night in Florida and was benched for more than half of the third period. Here’s what Sutter said about Penner…
SUTTER: “You want to be consistent. If you’re in a playoff race, which we are, you need consistency out of everybody in terms of their performance. Everybody does it a little different, but when you’re playing in basically an offensive role, you’ve got to be fairly consistent in the percentage part of it.’’
Has anyone heard any rumors? Talent we might get that could maybe turn things around…?
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gralx Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
@Jeffreyryan, There are credible rumors everywhere (e4)
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Jeffreyryan Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
@gralx, haha ek…. More to come..
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Cruiznblue Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
@gralx,
As he would put it… “My VERY good sources have told me a BIG trade between TWO teams is about to go down, and involves a REALLY good player”.
That guy is ridiculous…just pulls stuff out of his arse all day long (e5)
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jacky boy Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
@Jeffreyryan, If the Kings cant get Parise, I would think that they would have to pull the trigger on the carter trade. Maybe Voynov, Lokti, and a second for carter
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
@Jeffreyryan, Nash and/or Carter from Columbus. MacArthur from Toronto.
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adanac Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
@KC23, Why do you want overpaid and ego driven lazy players like Penner. I want to see Nolan and King. We will be lucky to make the playoffs and amazing if we can go further. We just do not have the forwards.
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linny Reply:
February 11th, 2012 at 7:43 am
@adanac, is it your opinion that penner is ego driven n lazy or do you have a psychoanalytic report at your disposal? Yes it would be fine to c the two kids play…on the third or fourth lines..but penner blasted a couple shots in the net recently and looked better doing so than anybody else on this “team”. The only reason the kids are coming up is because they’re being shopped as part of a deal n it looks like penner will b gone anyway. But to think that these two are going to bring magic is unrealistic.
Got it…I think.
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It’s almost like he’s saying, “Let’s throw crap on a wall and see what sticks”.
I am excited to see what Nolan can do though. Liked the pick when DL drafted him after watching his crazy self pummel guys in the O. His game has a lot of energy and spunk, and hopefully that will carry into the NHL>
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Hat trick Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@Whodawat, At this point can it get much worse???
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Urgency – that feeling you get right before you have to go to the bathroom.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
@DesertKing, don’t forget, there are different stages of urgency… right now, we’re at about stage 4, which is the crowning stage…
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
@Stuart,
I was thinking they’re at the “i gotta pee real bad!” dance.
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wavesinair Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
@Stuart,
i just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
@wavesinair, glad to be of service!!! LOL
vplaza Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@Stuart,
What stage is it when you pinch it off?
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@vplaza, you’re back to stage 0… no threats in the foreseeable future.
FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@vplaza,
Playoff hockey?
tornado12 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
@vplaza, terminal
The rookies scoring can not be any worse than what it has been but thy better bring their best defensive efforts or any goals they do bring may be for nothing.
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Christian T Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
@yetiman_oc, I hoping since TM didn’t communicate with Manchester maybe he didn’t spread the antiscoring contagion to Nolan and King. I’ll be happy when Voynov is back though.
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Hat trick Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
@yetiman_oc, At this point, I’d rather have them be more O minded than D minded. Being too D minded has put us dead last in the entire league for goals scored. Dead Last…think about that for a minute.
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I may be stating the obvious, but I bet Sutter’s trip to Manchester during the All-Star break had to do with this selection of players. Just saying…
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
@SDKing, I’m sure DL asked him to take a look and some notes, list some players 1 through 5 on who he would like to see called up and in what order…
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adanac Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
@SDKing, He’s pretty much running the show now!
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How much worse can they do than the guys they’re replacing? Score negative goals? Own goals?
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Helvetica Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@vplaza, They could not be up to NHL speed and spend most of their time chasing the play. At least with the other guys our GAA was low.
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vplaza Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@Helvetica,
Perhaps. But losing 6-0 is not really that much worse than losing 1-0, 2-0, 2-1, etc.
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Helvetica Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
@vplaza, You say that now, but the difference will surely look greater if thats the case. If we lose 0-6, that measn the team was doing nothing right. At least losing 0-1 indicates they didn’t suffer too much on the defensive side of thing. Either way it hurts, but i’m just hoping these guys don’t get caught staring at the puck.
vplaza Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@vplaza,
Guess my only point is keeping GAA low is fairly meaningless if you’re not scoring goals. Losing sucks most ways you look at it. I’m for some losses that may have “moral victories” in them, but at this stage, there should be little consolation that the defense and Quick are keeping goals against down because it’s not translating to wins.
I agree, I hope they don’t get caught chasing the play more than leading it, but they’re rookies and that should probably be expected. But that said, the people they’re replacing weren’t scoring anyway, so I say they probably won’t do much worse.
Cruiznblue Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
@Helvetica,
I bet they will work hard at least…this is a chance for them to make a permanent mark on management and coaching.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@Cruiznblue, ….it wasn’t a question of guys working hard…
vplaza Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@Cruiznblue,
Sounds like last night, it was a question of guys not working hard.
Jim S. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@vplaza,
I hear you! I’ll settle for 100% hustle on every shift!
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@Jeffreyryan, Yeah, we are getting Carter, Nash, Parise, Morrow AND Semin. All we are giving up is Penner, Hunter, Moreau, Drewiske and maybe a couple mid-round draft picks. Stanley Cup, here we come!!!
Go Kings Go!
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Jeffreyryan Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
@Just Another Fan, no Crosby? Wow. I give up.
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Good opportunity for both to prove they belong in the big leagues. I think we’re missing some serious chemistry. We lost too much of the hardhat mentality with Zeus, Capt Canada and Simmer.
We still have some hardhat guys like Cliffy and Richie, but the holdover hardhats just don’t have as much skill as the ones that departed.
Now, all that said I still like the Richards trade (just wish we could have kept Simmonds). But, I think we need to forgot the high expectations of this year and restock the team in the off season.
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Christian T Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
@Weasel, I like the Richards trade and I like Simmonds but if we had kept Handzus we’d have maybe 3-4 more wins based on his SO performance alone. Looking at it now we should have resigned him and moved Stoll. Oh well.
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@Christian T, dude, stoll was 9 for 10 last year in shoot outs. How could you justify at that time keeping Stoll and moving Zus???
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
@Lake Forest, sorry keeping Zus and trading Stoll
Cruiznblue Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@Lake Forest,
Well if DL’s plans at the start of summer was to get a legit 2nd line center…then stoll could have been easily let go. But who knows…
I for one am not ready to scratch this season… there still remains a lot of game to be played, and WON! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???!!!
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HockeyfanB4Gretzky Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@Stuart, Whats his Major?
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
@HockeyfanB4Gretzky, good question, but he was in his 7th year of elligibility with a 0.0 GPA!! classic!
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Forum gold Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
@Stuart, RIP Jim Healy. GO KINGS GO!!!
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xrosczech Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@Stuart, pretty sure Japan bomb Pearl Harbor, not Germany..just sayin…
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
@xrosczech, pretty sure you’ve never seen animal house and you’re not an adult yet…justsayin.
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HockeyfanB4Gretzky Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
@Stuart, Blutos major was history according to the movie.thats what makes the scene so funny
Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
@HockeyfanB4Gretxky, really??? That’s funny and sad at the same time because I too am I historian… it only hurts when I laugh. LOL-ugh
OldKingsFan Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@xrosczech,
The Germans were at the submarine races that night
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PP ANybody? Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
@Stuart, You’re on a roll
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slapshot Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
@Stuart, Breaking out the Animal House DVD now thanks!
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Doughty2Simmonds Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
@Stuart, Its over.
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
@Stuart, Are you suggesting that this was a really futile and stupid gesture?
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adanac Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
@Stuart, It was Japan hookie.
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Its time for DL and DS to understand enough is enough. Its wrong when you have players making the kind of money they are and don’t care and don’t give 100%. Its one thing to loose, its another to loose becasue the players don’t try and or give 100%. Bring up more Manchester players and let go of Penner, Brown, Stoll, and Hunter. Even Richards is playing like he doesn’t care.
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Christian T Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@gene, Umm Brown obviously cares. He hits everything except the back of the net. Penner, Stoll and Hunter are underachieving. Brown is just not our saviour so fans are calling for his head. Richards and Kopi need to carry this team offensively not Brown.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@gene, I just posted a response to Dek’r saying that I would hope saddling MR with some “captain” like responsibilities might help get emotionally invested in this team, speed up the ownership process for him, at least… I wonder if he feels this isn’t his team, he’s just a player on it…
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KingsGuy Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
@gene, Yes, let’s drop 2 of our best 5 O players… That makes sense…
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gene Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
@KingsGuy, Who are the two????? Who has played this year at 100% and done what the team expected of them at the start of the season???
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gene Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
@gene, I am not talking about the Goalies or D men. Just the forwards
KingsGuy Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@gene, Brown & Richards (even coming back from concussion)…
I swear, it’s like listening to a guy coach a mites squad.
“We’ll just get some big kids who can skate and play with energy, and hopefully have the identity that we’re looking for. … You’re just trying to get everybody to do the same things over and over, and keep it within that framework. So we’re going to take a real good look at these two boys, because we think they’re capable of doing that.’’
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I wish the rookies the best of luck!
I’m sure that they will bring tremendous hustle & energy to the team, which in and of itself will be a good thing because that was a god-awful game in Florida. Oh yeah, be sure to chip in a goal or two since you’ll be playing with Mike Richards on the second line, so do that in addition to playing a hard & heavy game while providing net presence as well. Not too much pressure, huh? Well… the growing pains from losing dependable vets Symth & Handzus continues… yet the team is still in playoff position. Kudos for that! Looking forward to the Isles game and some physical & net presence from these guys! Good luck King & Nolan!
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I thought DS quote on team identity was spot on. Not sure what the future holds but I truly believe DS has a plan to make us a champion. GKG!
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if you need a place to complain, prognosticate, wish upon a star, vent, daydream or just waste more time from yr job – perhaps, all the above – here ya’ go…interested to read what good ideas all y’all will suggest…:
http://deepinsidethekings.com/2012/02/realistically-what-can-the-kings-do-to-get-more-offense-after-55-games/
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Listen up, Kings fans! Hockey is a business, so tell the uppity-ups in management that the Kings business is not delivering the goods, and STOP GOING TO THE GAMES! I’m a fan. I watch every game on TV. But I refuse to spend my hard-earned money on seeing the Kings suck in person! And if the best we can do is a 7 or 8 seed, and a first-round re-match with Vancouver, I’ll stay home.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
@Tony in Denver, stay home…in Denver?
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Tony in Denver Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
@Stuart, Well, for me, yes. I work for an airline, so we get the free flights. But the rental car, hotel, and game tix are not worth my money at the moment.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@Tony in Denver,
I hear you! the tickets alone would’ve been a fair enough answer, but add all that other headache??? no way
Pesus Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
@Tony in Denver,
Too bad my tickets are already paid for. But I sure let my agent know how boring the games are and that I will not purchase tickets next year. Hope he doesnt call my bluff.
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Aren’t the Kings due for a surprise call-up success story? It seems like many other teams each season have a call up that just fits in and contributes right away. I think (and hope) Nolan could be that guy. Please Hockey Gods, let him be that guy for us. Aren’t we due for SOMETHING positive this season?
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Forum gold Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
@PurpleBlacknGold, We are overdue for another Chris Kontos story. GO KINGS GO!!!
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
@PurpleBlacknGold, Cinderella boys, tears in their eyes I guess, former Manchester Monarchs about to become . . . Stanley Cup champions.
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Richardson has not done squat for us all year…he’s been given the chance to play, and hasn’t produced. He should sit tomorrow.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@Cup B4 I Die, I agree. One of the most over rated players by King’s fans on the team. He hasn’t done squat.
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The way the Kings are playing on this road trip is very reminiscent of the Kings on TM’s last trip as coach. very uninspired, and very boring to watch. I wish I could have known how frustrating this season was going to be, wouldnt have got my hopes up with all the hype in the summer.
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“..have the identity that we’re looking for.” If you mean, play heavy and grind it out, no thank you.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
@PP ANybody?, What is all this Grinder stuff. Nolan and King are 2 and 3 in scoring on the team. Only reason Cliche isn’t here is he is a center. We need wingers.
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I like the move. Lets see what they can do (King & Nolan). One thing that should be interesting … in the past few years here … the way you made it to the big club was defense … now … you score some goals and you’re in.
Should be interesting to watch especially since these to kids are getting one of the best play makers in the NHL to give them their shot.
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fsd1 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
@KC23, Totally with you! All the World is crashing around a team that is still in 7th with every opportunity to be better. Hopefully it gets Richards more involved.
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I think it’s a great idea bringing in some of the young blood, in fact I would have done it 3 months ago injuries or not. “staying the course” is not working and that’s an understatement.
I am strictly talking about our offensive numbers and nothing else. Our record is what it is because of our awesome defense and that kid who plays goalie for us.
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Dean Lombardi Jedi Trade Trick…
East Coast Team GM: Let me see your best trade offer.
Dean Lombardi: [with a small wave of his hand] You don’t need to see my best trade offer.
East Coast Team Asst. GM: We don’t need to see his best trade offer.
Dean Lombardi: This is the player you’re looking for (picture of Dustin Penner).
East Coast Team GM: This IS the player we’re looking for.
Dean Lombardi: He can go to your team tomorrow.
East Coast Team GM: He can come to our team tomorrow.
Dean Lombardi: Move along.
East Coast Team GM: Thank you very much… moving along.
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fsd1 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
@BobsYourUncle, That isn’t koolaide in your cup right? lol
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Helvetica Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@BobsYourUncle, Isn’t that how we wound up with Penner? ;P
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Anthony Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@BobsYourUncle, LMAO!!
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As much as I want Penner to do well, I really dont feel that guy even breaks out in a sweat, let alone gets winded during his shifts. Maybe Im crazy but it just seems that way.
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I have to say that I’m not impressed with DS at all! I would never understand his line changes yesterday in the third. So many funny line combos for too long with no logic at all to finally come back and play Kopi & Williams on the same line again. We should be honest and admit that this is the only pairing that click 100 % from the season start. Brown is lucky to play on the 1st line where he doesn’t bellong. On the other hand Richards was productive in the past playing together with whom? It was… Brown! And don’t forget Clifford – Fraser – Westgarth was a very good 4th line in the past as well. I dont agree with Penner demotion too. He has good hands, he is well prepared and he is willing to contribute. With Gagne and Parse out I would give him a chance on the first line. He did play very well with Kopitar and Williams in the past, but didn’t get any chance to do it this year again. I support the additions of Nolan and King, but not with Richards, as a checking line please!!!! This looks suicidal & crazy… Maybe with Stoll out one of them could get the chance, but not both at the same time…
Tomorrow I would go with the lines as follows:
Penner – Kopitar – Williams
Brown – Richards – Lewis
Richardson – Loktionov – Nolan
Clifford – Fraser – Westgarth
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
@outsider, I think the line shuffling last night in the 3rd was more of DS showing his displeasure with all the carpet bagging skaters who just weren’t showing their comete (
)… what else was he to do? I agree with your idea about keeping the 4th line in tact, and I’ve said a few times in the last few days that I think Westy should be in the line up for every game here on out. Penns…IDK what to say or think about him anymore. I don’t think very many people are productive playing with DB other than DB.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@outsider, “I dont agree with Penner demotion too. He has good hands, he is well prepared and he is willing to contribute. ”
Alright Penner … back away from the blog. You are fooling no one.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
@KC23, LMAO!!!
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bmova Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
@KC23, LMAO!!!
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bmova Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
@outsider, I actually like these lines. We’ve hit rock bottom in terms of goal scoring; so this can’t be any worse. Penner would essentially be replacing Smyth on that top line.
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outsider Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
@bmova, don’t understand me wrong. I’m not a Penner supporter at all, but at the present time there is no better LW available… Even more when we agree to reunite Richards& Brown… As simple as that!
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gene Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
@outsider, Why are you still playing Penner. He was benched as he should have been for being lazy and not giving 100%
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I understand that the players have to say all the right things and give the same old lines when interviewed. But I would kill to hear their true thoughts on what they feel they need and what is going on. It will never happen but it would be great to hear, there is something going on here that we will never be privy to.
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Well folks I’m going to make the trip come spring break. Yes I’m going to use my hard earned money and pay for a cheap flight {jet blue} A room at the Best Western in Long Beach, get on the Metro and watch our Kings play both the Sharks and the Blues. Now call me silly or call me a cheerleader I really don’t care. The Kings are my hockey team. Win or lose I’m there. Look I love the game of hockey and yes our team can’t score, but I’m not throwing the towel in just yet. We still have some big games coming up and if we can get some kind of scoring we are going to be OK. No one said this was going to be easy, except for Dean. He thought he had this season in the bag, but NO!!! We are in a dog fight and by the looks of things it’s going to last for awhile.
Good to hear at least our club made some kind of move today. Maybe these two kids will come in and light a fire. Just find your way to the front of the net and you will be fine. It’s all about scoring goals now. I don’t care where they come from or who scores them. Just find the back of the net. Tomorrow we have to win, so get out there and show us what you guys are made of. Sit Penner, Sit Penner, Sit Penner!!
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
@King Charles of Salt Lake, I know you think of me as a negative person, but I also like the move a lot. I also am hopelessly addicted to King’s hockey and have the bills to prove it.
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vplaza Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
@King Charles of Salt Lake,
I’m guessing you had to control yourself and delete a few letter “h”s in your last sentence.
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One thing I do know is even if Nolan and King can’t help with scoring, they will work a heck of a lot harder then Penner ever has. All they need to do is cycle the puck get it to Richards and then go to the net either for a rebound on a Richards shot or a tap in goal on a great Richards pass.
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gene Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
@Jeff_R, agree 100%
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
@Jeff_R, True but the ice girls work harder than Penner and they look a heck of a lot better.
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Anyone else think Brown should be back on the right side? This experiment doesn’t seem to be working.
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outsider Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
@bmova, maybe, but first I would like to see him on Richards’ LW…
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Fraser, Richardson, Westgarth on the fourth line?Let Penner sit for a few games.
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gene Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@Anthony, agree 100%
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Also the Richards, Penner, Stoll line was considered the “Defensive” line playing against other teams top line. What now?
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
@Anthony, Only one option, really: top line vs. top line. But on the road, it’s not our choice unless we change on the fly an awful lot.
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This is an act of desperation bringing these guys up. No jab against them, I’m just saying. Plus…Think about, if you’re Richards right now, you gotta be thinking “REALLY?… THIS IS WHAT I GET AS LINE MATES?”
And speaking of Richards, has anybody else noticed he looks distracted during the games. I have a theory his sub par play is a protest against this whole thing, being traded to a team with no depth. Watch his play closely, it looks like he’s working a con/throwing the game. He is either really injured, or really fed up, but something does not add up watching him play like this.
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Alright, couple of rooks to route for. Good luck boys. Make us proud.
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