The Kings have called up forwards Dwight King and Jordan Nolan from Manchester, to take the roster spots of Jarret Stoll and Slava Voynov. Stoll is on injured reserve with a lower-body injury. Voynov was assigned to the Monarchs.
This season, King has been tied for second on the Monarchs in points, with 29 points (11 goals, 18 assists) in 50 games. Nolan has nine goals and 13 assists in 40 games. King, a sixth-round pick of the Kings in 2007, played six games for the Kings last season and did not record a point. Nolan, a seventh-round pick of the Kings in 2009, is the son of former NHL coach Ted Nolan and has yet to appear in an NHL game.
voy really???
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@jkking, I thought AMart looked especially bad last night…
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Helvetica Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@jkking, because he’s waiver exempt. Martinez would have to clear. They are trying to get something going with the forwards so they called up a pair of guys to see who works out best. Would be my guess…
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Kings4life Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:15 am
@Helvetica, Hope somehow we can dump PENNER in next couple weeks. He is useless
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Anjin Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@Kings4life, so are ________ and _______ and ________ and __________ and ________ and ________.
Just pick any random name on the roster to fill in the blanks.
Stoll looked like he got a knee to his thy last night. He was limping off pretty badly. Dont know if they showed that on t v or not.
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variable Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
@flakingsfan,
yeah…i saw it…
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Meh…
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Good moves. Voynov wasn’t being played so may well keep his developement going in the AHL. Be good to get a look at King and Nolan.
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Dominick Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am
@Perro, Voynov was sent down because he’s the only one who could be without losing someone.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
@Dominick, and Lokti, too… but his audition continues.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@Stuart, Well with Stoll out we have nobody to come in and replace Lokti, as he belongs in Manchester. Oh well learning on the fly could help him for the future.
JWR Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@Stuart,
I know Loktionov centered King and my have also played with Nolan at Manchester.
Maybe Saturday we see
Penner – Richards – Richardson
King – Loktionov – Nolan
and hope that gets Lokti on track.
adanac Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@Perro, Both Nolan and King have size and have the ability and desire to score. I like this move.
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Neil Shafton Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@adanac, King didn’t do squat last season, and Nolan is a little bigger than Clifford, but with less upside in terms of scoring.
Size isn’t what the Kings need, its creative play making and speed. Kozun should get a shot, he isn’t a north south type of player.
King and Nolan are just going to end up bangers, not going to add much offensively.
Lombardi is desperate, he knows he is going to have to make a move.
How many offensive prospects have the Kings developed other than Lewis and Loktionov?
Waiting for Toffoli/Weal/Vey is too far down the line, and Nick Shore also.
Too many defensive player drafts, too many goalies, not enough offensive prospects in Manchester.
Lombardi didn’t draft need, he drafted the best player available, which he should have ignored.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Neil Shafton, …..shoulda…..woulda…..coulda……don’t help nowa…..
KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
@Neil Shafton, Kozun is a huge minus player in the AHL. You think he’d be a plus player in the NHL? Very unlikely. Both Nolan and King have size and are plus players in the AHL. This is exactly the right move.
And those who point to what King did last year need to remember how developement works. Not uncommon to see huge improvements in performance in short time frames.
Hey Holloway … if you’re reading this, you f’ed up dude.
puckbob Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
@adanac, Hey, it can’t hurt
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JD Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
@adanac, “neither winger has a dynamic offensive history” they may have the desire, but the ability is questionable, just what we were missing, more bottom 6 guys. And putting Clifford on the second line just shows how bad our roster really is, Richards must be ready to jump off a cliff
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adanac Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@Perro, I hope they move Clifford into the top six and have Lotke, Nolan and King on the third line.
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fuzzerson Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@Perro, “…well keep his developement going in the AHL” did you mean KHL?
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Free shakeup… why not.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am
@Michael_DD8,
Exactly… Time to see what thse guys got.. I’m just hoping not to see King on the 1st line again.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Yeah, that was pretty unfair if you think about it. Going up against the best players in the NHL to start out.
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i hope Dwight Kings has a better stint this time…dont know much about Nolan, havent seen him play but might as well give some younger guys a chance. maybe they could permanently sit Hunter
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@Sebastian,
Nolan is a big boy. He’s probably still a couple of years away though. I expect King to not look so out of place this time – especially lined up next to Fraser.
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
@Michael J.,
I’d think he takes Stoll’s spot next to Richards.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@FKA PakiFro,
Oy…
Jim Martin Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:00 am
@Sebastian,What do you mean, a better stint this time? Dwight King look good when the Kings brought him up the last time. He went into the corners very tough and showed some speed. He was not giving enough time to show what he could do. And Nolan look good in the pre-season!
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Jgomez Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@Jim Martin, Speed with King? I remember him being extremely slow his first time around. Might have been the jitters though as I am really hoping one of these two can contribute in any way.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@Jim Martin, The problem was they put him on Kopi’s line which was not a good idea. He is better on on a lower line. They can move Clifford to Richards line.
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Sad about VV but hopefully nolan and king can get some things done a couple of big bodies that’ll hopefully park in front of the net and pick up some greasy garbage
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
@meister könig, at least with the new bodies, they should be willing to take the abuse and stand in there to earn a spot on the big club, at least that’s what I’m hoping for.
Now sit TH and plug Westy in from here on out.
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meister könig Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
@Stuart, exactly what im thinking these guys are prob. So pumped to finally get a chance to show what they can do up here they’re going to do what ever it takes to stay and for them its going to the dirty areas.
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Voynov has shown he belongs in the NHL, what is he supposed to learn w/ Manch? Kings, I wish I knew how to quit you.
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Dave, he was a healthy scratch, what else could they do? let him keep sitting?
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Stackhouse Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Dave, Boy, does that last line sum up how I feel after losses like last night. It’ll never happen though. I’m a lifer.
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DEH Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
@Dave, that there are a crap ton of D-men in this organization
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@Dave,
What’s the real difference between VV and AM since both have been healthy? Realistically, not emotionally. The defensive game does not drop with either in/out of the line up and the offense is sleeping regardless. Neither of these two guys is supposed to jump start the goal scoring. Voynov’s been sent down due to his two-way status, not his play. At this point, the Kings need to try new forwards rather than have 8 d-men on the NHL roster with 2 sitting.
Honestly, I wish they tried Kozun instead of Nolan, but I haven’t seen any Manch games.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@Dave, I think Robert Plant said it best… “I can’t quit you baby…but I’m going to put you down for awhile…”
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
@Stuart, I think the whole team seems dazed and confused.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
gralx Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@Dave, I have the same problem… last night’s game was so darn frustrating. If we could get someone to actually move into the scoring areas we might have chance. We controlled the play big time the first 1/2 of the game and got point shot after point shot.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
@Dave, ….better to go down than not play….if he’s that good he should dominate in Manchester, no?…
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
@Dave, He is the only defenseman with a two way contract and the King’s need to look at what they got at forward in the minors because the big club forwards … well, they suck.
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I said something like this a couple of posts back but I think it bears repeating,
The success or failure of the Kings rests in the balance of the play of 11, 23, 28, 10, 8, 3 & 25. These are the guys that will make the difference the rest of the way out. Quick is going to play great. Mitchell is going to play great. Scuds will play well, as will Green and Bernier. Lewis, Richardson, Clifford, Westy, Fraser and Martinez will give the Kings all they have to offer.
The “best players” on the team have to play like the best players on the team. The lower paid players may not be scoring like we expected, but what did anyone really expect other than three or four goals more per bottom six forward? It is the top six guys and top paid defensemen that are not getting it done. I don’t know if there are any answers to this problem.
Yes, the Kings will make the playoffs.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Michael J., Add #14 to that equation.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@mrbrett7,
Yes, forgot JW.
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trytodethroneus Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
@Michael J.,
He was forgettable last night
Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
@Michael J., ….wouldn’t it have been easier to just say “team”?….
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well, i guess they’re the cavalry…
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@variable, too bad it’s Custer’s cavalry…
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
@Stuart,
In that case they aren’t going to make it in time for the game.
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@Stuart, Are you saying that we’ve lost the element of surprise?
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:59 am
@Kenny44, I’m saying they’re being led to slaughter… At least thier offensive production is.
Kenny44 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am
@Stuart, maybe the plan is to attack without mercy. “There is nothing more surprising than an attack without mercy.” (Gen. Custer in Little Big Man)
Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@Kenny44, Uhh there offensive production can’t be any worse.
variable Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@Stuart,
there’s not much else that can be said about our lack of offense…
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Thanks for the info Rich, but really… Yawn…
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I have no problem with this move. The Kings’ offense is a disaster, so why not mix it up with a couple of dudes from Manchester? Their offense can’t get any worse at this point.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
@Tyler, Reverend!
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Dominick Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@Tyler, Everybody said the same thing before Lokti was called up.
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Can you say desperate?
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Im 1/2 surprised they did not send down Penner.
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California Royalty Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@vicarious, He would be on waivers
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@California Royalty, I think that might have been the point…
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First and obviously foremost, I really hope Stoll recovers soon for his own sake.
But I also have a question about how it will affect the team. It’s getting close to the trade deadline, right? Let’s just say that DL was considering trading Stoll. How does Stoll being on IR factor into that? Will it make him less desirable to other teams and then harder for DL to get someone of value? It’s all hypothetical, especially since we don’t even know how long Stoll will be out or if DL actually intended to trade him, but I just want to know if anyone else thinks this injury might hurt on a lot of different levels.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@FiG17,
Stoll will only be traded if the Kings decide to “sell”. He has little value to any team that would be “selling” to the Kings because his contract expires in 27 games.
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Hope Stoll is ok. I would of much rather see him benched but not for this reason. This gives the new guys a chance. Look forward to it, excited about the changes.
I know MOST of you will not be happy, but let’s see how they play before we judge.
GKG
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@Lake Forest, I think it is Penner that deserves to be benched not Stoll. At least Stoll tries unlike Penner. How many times have you seen Penner just stand there and look at the puck when it is a few feet away from him. Instead of fighting for the puck he just sits and wait until a teammate comes, but more likely it is an opponent that gets it. He is useless on this team and I never seen a player play so disinterested in a contract year.
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Johnny Virgil Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@Jeff_R,
WORD
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
@Jeff_R, Stoll’s all work, and the haters are only looking at offense because the balance of the Kings is biased toward defense. I don’t see that as Stoll’s fault.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, I think that is somewhat fair to say. Stoll is still a plus forward at least. Don’t get me wrong though. I still think he is over rated and over paid.
I don’t know what’s more surprising. Voynov going down or King/Nolan being the two recalled. I’m sure Cliche, the Monarchs points leader, is wondering what he did wrong right about now. I guess those scouting trips revealed a few things about him. Kozun and Vey are scoring too, which begs the question…
How are Nolan and King going to help our offense? Answer: They’re not.
Hmmm…
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@wavesinair, Maybe Halloway can send Cliche a text and buy his ticket to Sweden, too…
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:57 am
@wavesinair,
Maybe to add some toughness? Or maybe not
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@Michael J., I certainly hope the noobs bring a “take no prisoners” attitude. We need more aggression, whether it’s attacking the net and slot or just getting physical.
We’re here to beat you. That needs to be our attitude.
This season and alot of last season have looked like “we’re here to avoid bad things and hope for good ones.”
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meister könig Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:01 am
@wavesinair, they’re DL type players big body power forward grinder type guys that will hopefully park in front of the net
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Dominick Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:02 am
@wavesinair,
Agree on Cliche, Kozun, and even Vey. Nolan and King are obviously being brought in to be bulldozers in front of the net because of their size. Wish DL would change his whole mindset and go for more skill, instead of the status quo with size and strength. Kind of defeats the purpose of even developing skilled players.
That being said, I hope Nolan, and King have a good time while their here. I find it funny that @puck73 was just complaining about King, and King was the guy DL called up.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:03 am
@Dominick, ironic huh? LOL
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Dominick,
Puck doesn’t complain
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@Dominick, I think that will change next season when guys like Toffoli, Kitsyn, Kozun, etc will be ready to come in.
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Belexes Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:04 am
@wavesinair,
At least TM can’t be blamed this time, with his “heavy game” requirement. I guess DL really likes these two guys. Hope that he’s right…
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jose Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@wavesinair, clune is a center not a wing…that’s probably why they didn’t call him up.
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Simarosa Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am
@wavesinair,
Cliche would have to clear waivers, Kozum is playing good in Manch but at 5’8″, would get tossed around like a dish rag. Looking forward to seeing Nolan and King play for the Kings. Nolan has made a whole lot of progress since last season and King started this season off very slow, but has picked his game up a lot lately.
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DEH Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@wavesinair, for Cliche, we need wingers not centers. The only way Cliche gets called up is if we send Lokti down… which might be a good move given lokti’s performance.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
@wavesinair, That is exactly what I expected to be moved up. We have plenty of centers. Cliche is only average size. Both Nolan and King have size to go along with be plus players and they play wing which is exactly what we need.
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Stanley Cup, here we come!!! Ballsy move DL!! Wow!! Outta left field!!
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on XM they keep saying how boring this team is..it is pure torture to watch..no offensive creativity..and what do we do in drafts, draft more goalies and d-men…Etem available, who do we draft another defenseman..Etem is tearing up the Juniors, sure that might not transfer to the NHL..but atother than Trofolli, who is the best offensive prospect?
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@Vahe,
Vey and Kozun also tore it up in juniors. Kings have enough small, quick wingers who can score in the junior level.
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Vahe Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:17 am
@Michael J., Kozun and Vey are having mediocre seasons in the AHL..so I’m not sold on them..all the eggs are in toffoli’s basket
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
@Vahe,
Yes, and Etem is following suit by tearing it up down in junior. Its a whole new ballgame playing against guys in their twenties versus teenagers.
KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@Vahe, Vey isn’t doing badly at all, but Kozun has a ways to go with a -9 plus minus in the AHL.
Dominick Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:06 am
@Vahe, If it makes you feel any better, I thought Etem was a no brainer. His skills might not transfer to the NHL (we’ll see), but neither could Forborts, and we already have enough D men. DL should of used his later round draft picks to draft more D, and spent his top picks on Wingers.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
@Dominick, 100% agree. DL broke the most important rule in life … balance. Everything you do in life has to be about balance. Your work, your play, your famly. Over do it with any of them and you play the price.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
@KC23, *pay the price … although somewhat amuzing pun.
spidey35 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@Vahe, I listen to XM daily and you are right, they have been killing the Kings lately. Can’t say I don’t blame them. I’m getting ready for them to say that the Kings are’nt going to make the playoffs.
They also rip into Deano for all the players that have left and done well. Today is was time to mention Simmonds and Schenn…….Oh well, I guess all we can do is hope that our team starts scoring.
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@spidey35, If we put together a comprehensive diagram of who DL has let go and who he has brought in over his tenure, I don’t think it would look pretty.
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Choralone Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
@Vahe, Lombardi has been drafting a lot of forwards the last couple of drafts. Schumacher and Andreoff are two more names I haven’t seen mentioned yet. It’s not like he hasn’t switched his drafting strategy – the problem is the lag time in development.
Did he draft too many defensemen and goaltenders in the past? I don’t know – what if some of those guys didn’t pan out? I say credit goes to DL that such a high percentage of his defensemen and goalie picks weren’t busts – otherwise we’d all be complaining that he didn’t draft enough defensemen and goaltenders, or that the Kings didn’t develop them properly
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
@Choralone, I say the problem is development period. Many that we have brought up have done well … once they left. Pretty much means our offensive developement system is total crap.
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I don’t understand the Voynov thing at all. From the King’s website: Voynov, 22, has 11 points (4-7=11), eight penalty minutes and a plus-4 rating in 26 games with the Kings (his first season in the NHL). Among NHL rookie defensemen Voynov is tied for seventh in points, tied for first in goals and tied for eighth in assists.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
@KingsChic, There are basically two kinds of contracts. They are seperated by the terms “One way contract” or “Two way contracts”.
Players with Two way contracts can be sent down to the minors and no other team and touch them.
Players with One way contracts have to clear wavers to go to the minors. Clearing wavers means ANY team can claim them and they become members of another team, plus the Kings are still responsible for part of their contract. Basically, you gave them away and are playing them a portion of their contract to play for another team.
King’s only have two players with Two way contracts. Loktionov and Voynov. The only way the Kings can call up players from the minors is to either have a player injured like Stoll or have a two way contract player sent down to the minors. We are heavy on defensive players and hurting for forwards so that is why Voynov is going down and Loktionov is staying up.
That is the nuts and bolts of it as far as I know.
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LAPD Line Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
@KC23, I love a rational post.
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Bringing in another big guy? We have westie and hunter already.. and another d-man when we have martinez and drewiske. Drewiske actualy played decent in his last games (2 goals in back to back games) why not give him another shot before pulling up people?
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
@kopitaristheman, Both guys are decent play makers and scorers and both are wingers. Drewiske is a defenseman.
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kopitaristheman Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@KC23, thanks for the info, I thought for some reason nolan(name?) was a defenseman
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I am happy Nolan was brought up. I have liked this guy the whole time.
Brown Kopitar Lewis
Penner Ricahrds Williams
Clifford Lokitonov Nolan
Ricahrdson Fraser King
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:02 am
@Downsy89, Lewis on the 1st line? Talk about rewarding for nothing… We already have 1 anti-finisher/hands on the top line, let’s not add another negative.
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Downsy89 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Stuart, Lewis can play up there look what he did last year in the playoffs. Its just because his role is to play deffesne. So he plays in fear of creating offense because he cant make a mistake. But I would give him a chance.. and get our 2nd line going.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@Downsy89, anything is worth a chance, I guess…
I cannot wait until the team stops playing with fear in their bellies…
Jgomez Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:21 am
@Downsy89, If we’re looking at last year’s playoff scoring, put Clifford on the top line
Harty Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:40 am
@Downsy89, this is great news………
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44 years, and counting…..
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oh ya why both of them though? Is there a trade that might happen?
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Cynic Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@Downsy89, Actually, my take was they are both being showcased with AMart for a possible trade. More King than Nolan I think, but because Voynov was the only waiver exempt d-man, he was probably told he needed to go to help the team situation out.
A little conspiracy theorish, but whatever…Sounds somewhat probable.
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If Bud Holloway and Oscar Moller hadn’t run off to the SEL, they would probably be getting the call right now (probably would have gotten a call up when Gagne went down). Anyway, I’m glad some of the kids are getting a look. Hopefully one of them grabs this opportunity by the balls.
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TheDryer5 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:25 am
@Kostamojen, Holloway is leading his team in points is Sweden. Sure would be nice if there was a way to get him back if no trades are coming together. Wish the kid wasn’t so short sided and couldn’t wait one more season to get his call up.
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spidey35 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@TheDryer5, Can you blame any of them for not sticking around. If they do happen to come up, they get put on the 3rd or 4th line where they don’t belong. Then, they get traded or signed to a contract by anothher team and go on to bigger and better things.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
@TheDryer5, ….some players just have visions of grandure…
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The more I see of Lombardi recently, the more I realize that TM wasnt the only blockhead. Leading scorer of Manchester gets left in the dust again. WOW ! Havent we seen this Holloway movie before?
Tell ya what, if Dwight King ends up on Kopitars line yet again, I hope Leiweike flies out with Anshutz to Long Island and they fire Dean personally.
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:05 am
@puck73, Leiwieke? Maybe. PA? NEVER
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Belexes Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:09 am
@puck73,
haha. I said the same thing above (but with a lil less vinegar). Guess TM gets a pass this time..
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@puck73, just to put it out there, remember the blockheads from the old gumby show? They were a pair as well…
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DesertKing Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@Stuart,
He was once a little green slab of clay…. WE NEED GUMBY!! Fearless in the slot, always going to (and through) the net, fastest skater in the world on one foot, he would take us right to the Cup… with his good friend, Pokey too, if you got a heart then Gumby’s… on the first line tooooo.
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Belexes Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:44 am
@DesertKing,
Wasn’t Prickle one of his friends too?
variable Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
it seems that many on here are reversing their previous feeling and support for dl…
i guess “in dean we trust” is no longer a favorable mantra around here…
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
@variable, i still trust!
My last comment a few weeks back was more “In Sutter I Trust”
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Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@variable, I still believe in Dean.
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variable Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
@Lake Forest, @Stuart,
i’m starting to wonder more and more about him…
it’s becoming more like, “in dean i hope”, rather than “i trust”…
he’s a good gm that, unfortunately, laid down plans for us to be more potent on offense which haven’t worked out thus far…
NUMBER 6 and i have had many discussions on here and outside of the blog regarding his questionable acumen when assessing forward talent…and a lot of our concerns – among those of others whom have also participated in this discussion – have come to fruition…
i had said previously that the hiring of sutter was not a panacea for this team…and as we now know, my sentiment was sadly accurate…
Stuart Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@variable, maybe I just don’t want to start another tear down/rebuild with a new GM who will bring in a new coach, have the boys “learn” a new system, swap out to swap back in…
I hear you about his lack of good offensive talent-spotting, but shouldn’t that be his scouts’ call? I’ve always believed that the best bosses aren’t the ones that can do everything themselves perfectly, but are smart enough to know to put great people around them to help things become more efficient and whatnot… Or maybe he doesn’t listen to his scouts until round 3 and beyond… Which might also be the case, he has a darling that he’s going to pick no matter what, and then he’ll listen to them afterwards??? who knows… but I’m not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
@variable, ….you know how it goes here….”subject to change without notice”…
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
@puck73, Cliche is a center. We need wingers. Makes sense to me.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
@puck73,
Wait a minute, what happened to all your “In Dean We Trust” t-shirts???
I thought “trust” involved some commitment? Am I wrong?
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I think DL was probably the kid in school who gave up his Twinkie for and Apple. Things never change.
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puck73 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@kingszzz, Good analogy. To say that Lombardi undervalues top 6 wingers in the post lockout era is an understatement, and the fans are paying the price for that philosophy. I have never been subjected to paint drying hockey since Barry Melrose’s last 2 seasons with the Kings, Disgracefull.
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kingszzz Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@puck73, He’s just not a very good salesman/negotiator.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
@puck73, The Escort Service?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
“Let me introduce you to Kelly Hrudey. He loves eating puck. It’s a staple for him. Be sure to put 35-45 shots on net now, and if I can help you stand up in the crease and swing your stick at him, just let me know.”
I don’t know what’s more surprising. Voynov going down or King/Nolan being the two recalled. I’m sure Cliche, the Monarchs points leader, is wondering what he did wrong right about now. I guess those scouting trips revealed a few things about him. Kozun and Vey are scoring too, which begs the question…
How are Nolan and King going to help our offense? Answer: They’re not.
Hmmm…
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:12 am
@tristan, No one in the Minors or even in the NHL trades going to help The Kings out this is a lost season already
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fsd1 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@KingsFanFTW, never a lost season until you are eliminated, last i looked we were still in 7th.
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puck73 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@tristan, Exactly. I told on the people on this site last night if Lombardi had somehow lucked out in the lottery and was able to draft Hall or Landeskog, those guys would still be down in the juniors learning how to play like Michael Pecca…what a joke already!
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@puck73, You realy believe that? He said Kopitar would start in the minors but Kopi showed he belonged in the NHL and never went. Doughty didn’t start in the minors, nor did Simmonds or Moeller. So if we had gotten a guy like Stamkos or Hall they would of started with the Kings. Schenn also was with the Kings, but he endned up going back to Juniors and then traded to Philly.
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puck73 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@Jeff_R, Kopitar was a Dave Taylor pick. Schenn was going no where fast under Lombardi and Murray. I dont have a problem trading for 26 yeard old Mike Richards, but even he is struggling under TM and DL’s hamster wheel system.
Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
@puck73……not alltogether true…MR was going great guns until the concussion….was that DL that hit him??…
DEH Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:50 am
@tristan, easy, Nolan and King are wingers and Cliche is a center. We need wingers not centers!
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Damn, just when Stoll started to find his groove…and the back of the net. Lol not!
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Gmo Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Josh M,
Lol. You got me
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
@Josh M, Dam, he got me too.
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I think they are showcasing both Nolan and King for a top six winger.
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Capt Jam Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@Michael J.,
Agreed.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@Capt Jam,
Sarcasm font was on
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PP Anybody? Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@Michael J., maybe we can get Nash for those two if they play well this weekend.
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Things to Do.
Realize we aren’t going to win the cup this year. Check.
Promote two forwards from Manchester. Check.
Trade Penner to the Leafs for a 2nd round pick.
Trade Stoll for a 2nd round pick.
Resign Mitchell to a multi-year deal.
Trade Scuderi to Phi or Chi for a 1st round pick.
Ride out the season.
Resign Quick.
Sign a UFA winger.
Trade picks/bernier for a winger.
Draft a winger.
Keep marketing slogan — but change it’s color and font so it looks new.
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kingszzz Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:19 am
@CabbagesAndKings, makes WAY too much sense for DL to actually consider
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DesertKing Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@CabbagesAndKings,
You forgot:
Lower beer prices. Check.
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Lake Forest Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
@DesertKing, beer and nacho prices.
plus I know this is just me, but I wouldnt mind having cheerleaders in the stands every so often…Might as well watch something interesting…
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
@DesertKing, The way the Kings have been playing — they should be giving the beer away.
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Johnny Virgil Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@CabbagesAndKings,
This actually makes sense………………..not gonna happen
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Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
@CabbagesAndKings, ….think the last one is more important….after all it is just business and L.A. peeps will buy anything as long as it’s marketed correctly…(see reality shows)…
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Why dont we play Moulson? Sorry to bring up that up, but I dont think he had enough of a chance with the Kings
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puck73 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:20 am
@Vahe, He was not heavy enough on his stick, he had to go! Dont you know anything about hockey? lol
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Vahe Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:23 am
@puck73,true.. we dont need a guy who can score 30 in a season consistantly
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:26 am
@Vahe, hell we dont even need a 40 scorer consistantly that has alot of heart……We got rid of them this off season..
Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am
@puck73, I am sure Moulson playing with Taveras and Purcell playing with guys like Stamkos, St Louis and Vinny is helping these guys be better. Kings didn’t have any of those type of players at the time they were here.
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MK Ultra Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:31 am
@Vahe,
Add Purcell to that list.
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Meanwhile, Shenn scored again. He’s finally starting to pick up. It’s amazing what happens when you recognize talent and trust it with a real chance to develop (i.e., 9 games is not enough).
It will be interesting to see how these guys get used. If they’re up as a stopgap, why not bring up Cliche instead? If they’re up for a real shot, are we getting ready to reset the 6-year plan?
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DEH Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:55 am
@Kenny44, we don’t need another center, we need wingers that’s why. Cliche is a center.
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
@DEH, If it’s a stopgap/temporary measure, he could play on the wing a few games. (This isn’t baseball.) I hope DS saw something he really liked in these kids. King’s stint last year looked an awful lot like Penner.
This is either a precursor to something else, a desperation move, or indecipherable genius.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
@Kenny44, You rather have Schenn and Simmonds back instead of Richards? You really think this situation would be different if we had them instead of Richards?
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DEH Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@Jeff_R, given our shortage of wingers and cap situation yeah. If we had simmonds, we would have a full top 6 with stoll resuming second line center role. Plus simmonds can finish, he was consistently towards the top of the team in shot percentage averaging around 12%. Without Richards we wouldn’t resigned Handzus who led the team in shot percentage for players who played full seasons.
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JackKent Cooke Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
@Kenny44,
It was an open net goal at the end of the game.
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Kenny44 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@JackKent Cooke, ???
Double checked and it was 15:07 of the 2nd period. And Simmonds got an assist
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Guys, this is not a recall of Sidney Crosby or Steven Stamkos. If we look at this as emotionlessly as possible, do any of you really think these recalls are anything more than a continuation of mor “Team Grinder”? Not psyched here.
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puck73 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:25 am
@Poorman, No, I dont see anyone here on this site getting pumped.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@puck73,
I’m pumped about it. Now we don’t have to listen to Bob and and Nick repeatedly saying “Stoll, shoots! wide right.”
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@DesertKing, LOL sorry to say this but we still have to hear..Doughty Shoots Wide..JJ shoots wide..
KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@Poorman, I thought i won the lottery…Dam i went in to find out that i didnt,they laugh at me because i didnt even came close…
but for reals nothing DL going to do is going to make this team success…I think he destroyed it in the off-season getting Richards was the right idea but losing Simmonds was a bad thing and plus picking Stoll over Handzus was a really bad idea……
Handzus maybe slow but he has alot of heart and he goes to the net…This team doesnt go to the net because they suck at it
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
@Poorman, I certainly wouldn’t color any of these responses as Psyched. I consider this just a minor developement move along with a desparate attempt to find some offense.
I don’t any of us expect much from this. I know I don’t.
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Oh no, Stoll is on the IR. Where’s our second-line scoring going to come from…!!!
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tristan Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:43 am
@bmova, Apperently Manchester.
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I can’t believe I’m going to say this…but I’m starting to lose faith in this team and I NEVER lose faith. Its gonna be another long off season. I really hope this team can come together and win some games.
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Vahe Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@KingsGirl, Thats normal..it happens to all Kings fans every season..We will go the offseason and go strong for Parise, and get a 3rd line player instead
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:30 am
@Vahe, LOL u mean 4th liner ??
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spidey35 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:35 am
@Vahe, you forget, no good FA signs with the Kings. I would love to get Parise, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
@Vahe, Then we will find that Parise can’t get a sniff of the net with the Kings.
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
@KingsGirl, I’m starting to lose faith in DL offensive developement philosophy. Actually, I’ve lost faith in it. They don’t have a clue what they are doing in developing offensive talent. It is clearly obvious.
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Dont worry guys..This season we won the Stanley Cup already in my eyes….
how many goals we been seeing the Kings score they score once a game thats a Stanley Cup contender.All u people overreacting about its a lost season..Not like we are in the middle of the season close to the playoffs…We still got lot of games left..
Oh wait it is the middle of the season close to the playoffs…Well this sucks…
I wonder what DL going to trade for ???A 4th liner maybe a another Center since we all know we need that.
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Manchester is right next door. Its no surprise one or two players are going to get in a couple of NHL games under there belt. The bonus would be if they actually have an impact and we win these last two road games.
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Nothing to see move along
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For a number of reason I think this is great news……
Go get ‘em Jordan………..
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Stagger Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:43 am
@Harty,
Um, what reasons are those?
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tristan Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
@Harty, At least DD’s here.
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Dominick Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Sorry Rich,
My nephew filled his name out in the comment information before I new what he had done.
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Dean Lombardi is losing his grip on this franchise…
We are in NEED of scoring and he sends Voynov down (much more upside than Martinez) and brings up Dwight King and Jordan Nolan, two scrappy, 3rd/4th line players.
Let’s just build an entire team of Kyle Clifford’s, we’ll be tough but we won’t score!
Figure it out Dean, make a trade and pick up a scorer and stop going with guys that you like, because obviously that is not working.
And by the way, anybody in Manchester can do what Penner and Hunter are doing right now, which is nothing.
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puck73 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@SPOTON, Very succinct, and to the point. Good post.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
@SPOTON, I don’t see any trades being made by any team, so it isn’t surprising that we haven’t seen any made by DL. I don’t think any trades are going to be made until closer to the deadline. Too many teams are still in it or believe that they are still in it for trades to be made now. I also sincerely doubt that DL is holed up in his office plotting how to bring in more guys like Kyle Clifford over skilled guys. We don’t have any skilled guys that can come in right now as they are either in Juniors or Overseas and we need to wait until there seasons are over. The few in Manchester are obviously not ready yet. Our problem dates back to previous GM not stocking our coffers, so DL had to basically start from scratch when he took over. Defensively we were horrible so he started from there. If you look at what DT left all he did was Kopi, Brown and Quick. It takes a little time to get skilled guys when you aren’t picking high in the draft. Looking back on Pittsburgh and Chicago they had years where they had top 5 picks, whereas the Kings had only 3 years.
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Well, there’s only 20-odd games left. It’s time to get some younger guys a chance so we see what we have for next year.
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puck73 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am
@CL, Isnt that what their doing by bringing up Grinders like King and Nolan? Because these 2 guys will sure help out our top 6! lol
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KC23 Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
@puck73, Despite being grinders they are two and three in scoring in Manchester, both have good plus minus and both are wingers. Cliche is a a center … Kozun is -9 and tiny. Vey might be an option but his numbers don’t stack up to either King or Nolan and he is smaller than both of them (might have a speed advantage though, don’t know).
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Kevco Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@CL, To what next year will look like you can watch replays of the last 5 years.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@CL, It is funny that people are talking about next season when the Kings are only 2 pts behind San Jose and it isn’t like San Jose is running away with things. They are having problems of there own.
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CL Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
@Jeff_R, They’re also only 5 points ahead of 12th place. They have only one win and 5 goals in their past 4 games. Each time they manage to score 4 or 5, it seems like perhaps they’ve turned a corner, but then they come back with a 1-goal performance the next couple games. A tenuous hold on 7th place is a sad position when your goaltender has the second-best GAA & save percentage in the whole conference.
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Showcasing? Hah. What a goofy thing to say.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
@Howe 9, ….no no no…..it’s true…they put glitter on the guys and spotlight them whenever they’re on the ice….really….
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Finally we are someone from the minors a chance. Good luck Nolan, make the best out of it
Go Kings Go
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StankBloat Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
@Gmo, Nolan is a gutsy, blue-collar type player who doesn’t back down from anyone. Kings fans will absolutely love him.
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Sad to say…season is slipping away. Still, lots can happen in the last quarter of the season, but the way things are going, hard for any Kings fan to be optimistic. No fire. No offense. Kids called up. Probably no real trades to be made.
Only bright spot is Quick, but I’m sure he’s getting tired of getting no goal support.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
@vplaza, How is the season slipping away, we are 2 pts behind San Jose and on pace to have a higher pt total then last season. Yes we are struggling scoring, but it isn’t like we are going on 5+ game losing streaks.
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vplaza Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
@Jeff_R,
Because SJ has four games in hand, so that 2 points is a mirage. Because they are a no better than a .500 team when they need to be playing higher in order to make the playoffs.
They may not be going on long losing streaks, but the win one, lose one, win one, lose one, etc. doesn’t do much good.
And if by some chance they make the playoffs as the 8th seed, are we really expecting this team to beat the #1 seed in the first round? I think that movie was on before.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
@vplaza, They may have 4 games in hand, but San Jose is on a 8 game road trip in 14 days, so that 4 games in hand is going to come down. Plus if you look at the ROW line in the standings San jose has only one more win then the Kings. If they end up tied the Kings could have the edge based on ROW. That 4 games in hand, they still have to win those 4 games. The way San Jose has been playing of late, they aren’t playing that much better then the Kings.
Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
@vplaza, As for making the playoffs and playing a higher seed, that higher seed will also have trouble scoring with the way the Kings play defensively and with Quick playing the way he has been. So don’t go saying that the Kings will be an easy mark just because they have trouble offensively. Playoffs are a new season where all stats are thrown out the window.
vplaza Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
@Jeff_R,
I think the Kings can hold their own on the defensive side. So sure, Quick can keep them to 2 goals, maybe three. How confident are you that in the “new season”, the Kings can score more than 1 goal consistently enough to win those games that Quick and the defense keep the top seed to 1 or 2 goals?
I haven’t seen ANYTHING in the past month and a half that instills any confidence that this team, as it’s put together and as it’s playing, can do that.
Maybe they prove me wrong, but reality needs to set in at some point.
trytodethroneus Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
@vplaza,
Was Kopitar in that movie last year?
Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
@vplaza, Nobody thought the Kings would score any last season against the Sharks in the first round, without Kopitar and Willie. Yet they did and took it to 6 games. Like I said playoffs are different then the regular season.
vplaza Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
@trytodenthroneus,
He was not in that movie, but he’s been in the movie this year, yet the Kings are averaging how many goals a game? Does that magically change in the playoffs simply because it’s a “new season”?
vplaza Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
@Jeff_R,
Yes they took it to 6 games last year, but is that really any indication that this playoffs will result in anything differently? I can understand optimism if this team was at least average in scoring all year. But they’re not. Not by a long shot.
I find it a bit too optimistic to say that the team will somehow play that much better just because it’s the playoffs. If they’re not playing well now, is there really a “switch” that gets flipped when the playoffs starts?
In order to win in the playoffs, you need to score more than 1 goal a game. You can’t hope that your keeper and defense can pitch a shutout every night (especially the top seed). Maybe they get hot with a few weeks left in the season and enter the playoffs on a roll. That would be cause for cautious optimism.
But right now, the way this team is playing, with the call up of two kids at a critical stage…well, suffice to say, not much to be optimistic about.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
It’s the 5-on-5 that’s trouble. Penalties will go down in the playoffs and the Kings will get even fewer goals.
Brian Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@vplaza, DITTO my friend….
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I wouldn’t be surprised if they send down Lokti and bring up Cliche.
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Jeff_R Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@DEH, That would be a move I can see, unfortunately I don’t know if Cliche is 3rd line material. Unless you have Lewis or Richie center the 3rd line. Or Fraser.
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Lokti should have gone down and not Slava should have stayed in what a bigger mess now, well after 24 years now, as above it was stated, I am losing my faith too, what else is a fan to do?
We go cheer to each game, and even if we are not in seat at game, and never try to give up, and wow is all I can say except for Stoll please feel better and take good care of yourself and get better, and can only hope you are not hurt too bad.
Yes this season is a goner for sure, just like in the past.
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Jack for Ryan just do it!!!!
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JD Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@Bowtie SilverBlack, That would be to good to be true, don’t see the ducks going for it
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Well, I guess for those of us who are huge Voynov fans, it appears that for the time being, he will remain with the franchise. I don’t think DL would send him down if he were going to be involved in a trade………..
At this point, its the little things that make me happy………wake me up in 7 months
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I get the feeling Martinez is playing so scouts can see him. Sutter gave no other sensible explanation so that’s my theory.
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Deke'r Reply:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
@jason, ….hockey savant??…
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voynov to minors???????????????? this organization is absolutely useless
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It’s about time they bring someone up and hopefully sit some players (cough cough Penner, Hunter). I don’t think King and Nolan are going to solve are problems but we nothing to lose… These guys need a wake up call.
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It’s looking more and more like this years playoffs will be One and Done..
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Thats the problem with DLs thinking – he thinks his master strategery will make his team a winner – so he sends one of the bright points of the season down and brings up some more question marks.
DL is afraid of losing. Thats what it is. Hang on, hold on, clutch, grab, don’t let go of that safety net!
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I’ll sure be happy when you guys start looking at the forwards the Kings have and realize there are only about 4 NHLers out there and the rest are career AHLers. You can switch up the lines til you have them all standing on their heads and they still won’t beable to put the puck in the ocean standing at the end of the Santa Monica pier with a Snat Ana blowing at their backs @60 mph. DL got the team built out to the defense and then forgot it takes forwards to complete the job, we have NO SUPER STAR that can turn a game around and also score the big goal. Please quit trying to make Kopitar something he isn’t and never will be. As I’ve said before, we haven’t had a super star since Marcell, Butch, Wayne and Luc.
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