The only pertinent question about the Kings’ hiring of Darryl Sutter is, “Will it work?’’ Sutter is a proven quantity, a veteran NHL coach with a track record, and that can either be seen as a positive or a negative. He has enjoyed success at each of his three coaching stops, including a run to the Stanley Cup Finals with Calgary in 2006, but can he relate to today’s players and today’s game? It’s a critical time for the Kings and for general manager Dean Lombardi, who might be the next to find his job status in question if the Sutter hiring doesn’t work out and the Kings don’t make the playoffs.
Below, I take a look at why the Sutter hiring might work, or might not work. I’ll give three arguments on each side, and let you decide for yourself…
WHY IT MIGHT WORK
1. Needed passion/discipline
When a player such as Drew Doughty notes that Sutter is known for being a “yeller,’’ and Doughty openly expresses excitement about playing for Sutter, that’s a good sign that it was time for a change. Terry Murray was a fair, consistent coach. It’s not that Murray never got angry — players will privately talk about occasional locker-room bursts — but in general, this just seems like a talented team in need of an attitude adjustment. There will be nothing calm and relaxed about Sutter. He will demand full effort and execution from day one, and it’s hard to consider that a bad thing, given how the Kings have underachieved so far.
2. Past success
Understandably, there were calls among a segment of the Kings’ fan base to hire a young, up-and-coming coach, someone with new ideas who might be able to relate to players better than a veteran coach. But, at this point, the Kings aren’t interested in grooming a coach, having a coach learn on the job. Their window for winning is open now, and a team never knows how long that window will stay open. Sutter’s teams have only missed the playoffs once in his time as coach in Chicago, San Jose and Calgary. Sutter’s experience should pay off, and his reputation means he will have the players’ attention quickly.
3. Hungry to win again
Every former coach, even the most mild-mannered of coaches, has a bit of an ego, and thinks he could get behind the bench and win again if given the opportunity. Sutter didn’t go out on his own terms in Calgary. He chose to go upstairs, and trade in his coaching role to become the Flames’ full-time general manager in 2006, but after four years in which his moves were highly criticized at times, Sutter “resigned’’ in 2010. Sutter should still have the fire to win, and will want to cement a positive legacy for himself. What better way than to lead this underachieving group of Kings to the promised land?
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WHY IT MIGHT NOT WORK
1. Out of touch?
In the past, Sutter’s teams have been known for their grit and their tenacity, their willingness to slow the game down and grind teams into submission. Has that style of hockey gone the way of the dinosaur, though? Almost all of Sutter’s success took place before the 2004-05 NHL lockout, before rule changes opened up — for a while, at least — the offensive game by limiting obstruction. Sutter is very much an old-school coach who will demand structure and hard-nosed play. Is that going to solve their problem, though? Remember, this is a team that scores two goals and hopes it can hold opponents to one.
2. Too much yelling?
Yes, players such as Doughty and Justin Williams have spoken openly and enthusiastically about playing under a coach with “passion,’’ but they’ve also never experienced Sutter face-to-face before. Coaches with “passion’’ — a polite word for “coaches who like to yell a lot’’ — can often have short-term success but also often wear out their welcome when players get tired of being berated for every mistake. This isn’t the old NHL. Players have huge contracts, and star players with long-term contracts know they arguably have more security than the coach. Can Sutter push the right buttons with the 21st-century players?
3. Too late?
Yes, there are still 49 games remaining in the regular season, but the Kings are in a hole. To reach 95 points — usually a reliable number for making the playoffs — they would need 61 points in their final 49 games, the equivalent of a 30-19-1 finish. Impossible? No. Easy? No. Sutter will need time to learn the strengths and weaknesses of his players, and time to make whatever adjustments he feels are appropriate. That will take time, in January, to sort out, and the Kings spend almost all of February on the road. Even if Sutter pushes all the correct buttons, he still faces an uphill battle to turn things around.
Hello, all–I’m sitting on lakings.com but cannot find the live stream–it’s sorta like the Kings’ third goal of a game, I know it’s out there somewhere…anyone…? Thanks.
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Oliver Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@Mel Powell, Kingsvision doesn’t seem to be working.
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Mel Powell Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
@Oliver, Well, then why isn’t Sutter yelling at it yet?
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killshot Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
@Mel Powell,
Mikefromearth Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
@Mel Powell,
Ba-Zing!!
you da man rich! Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
@Mel Powell, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
rogiesbackup Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
@Mel Powell, I don’t know why every Hockey Pundit is concerned that he is “out of touch.” They say, it’s a new game and such…”pre/post lockout.”
Hockey IS hockey! There’s all sorts of game styles ever since day 1 of the NHL. Some a gritty players while some are finesse types. Those varying qualities will ALWAYS be part of the game.
Just because the guy has a full time job tending the family farm doesn’t mean he doesn’t pay attention to hockey. As a previous coach, I’m quiet positive he continues to play in his mind, “okay if I was coaching the Kings, I’d do this/that” when watching a hockey game.
I’m sure he not ONLY knows about the changes in the NHL but probably already has an idea how to deal with it.
Steve W Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@Mel Powell, If you’re looking for the live stream of the Sutter news conference, It is tomorrow at 1PM.
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Mel Powell Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@Steve W, Aw…geez…you’ree right, Steve, thanks, I’m off by 24 hours. This is why I can never remember which of the 8 nights of Hanukah it is without looking it up. OK, thank you, I’ll resume hibernating now. (Yes, I know Thursday’s game is at 7, not 7:30, just for the record…)
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Gann Matsuda Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@Mel Powell only off by 24 hours? He’s making progress!!
Mel Powell Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
@Mel Powell, Yeah, Gann, the Kings travel, and I get the jet-lag. Now *that* is a dedicated fan…
Paulp Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@Mel Powell, it is tomorrow
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Kenny44 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
@Mel Powell, It’s tomorrow, after practice. (I misunderstood, too)
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Mikey Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
@Mel Powell,
“As noted yesterday, Sutter will coach tomorrow’s practice, starting at 10:30 a.m. at the Toyota Sports Center in El Segundo. Afterward, Sutter will be introduced by general manager Dean Lombardi at a 1 p.m. press conference”
Thats where we all got confused. The day after yesterday and the day before tomorrow type of thing..
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Ok. 1st thing that Sutter has to do is hire a painter, to paint in the dressing rooms, Staples Center and practice rink Toyota Center, a scene of a -40 wintery scene to get these guys heads in the right settings!
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Darryl Sutter will leave an impact either way. He has passion and emotion which has to spill over to the players.
Some hockey players say his bark is worse then his bite……..
However one person’s opinion on what he has to do………….
-Kopitar (he must get his mojo back, he needs a boast with tough guy on his line)
-Gagne (Sutter has to teach this guy to backcheck and or at least give his body up to recover pucks)
-Williams (learn keep his feet under him, he’s on the ice more then anyone)
-Richards (get him well and keep him well)
-Penner (is catching fire, he has to keep his intensity)
-Stoll (has to offer more then faceoffs, Jarret what is wrong get your feet moving all the time)
-Brown (going in right direction, just keep going and don’t look back)
-Richardson (work harder recovering pucks)
-Fraser (use your speed on 5v5 more)
-Clifford (continue to play with an edge)
-Lewis (relax, and start to play like a 1st rounder)
-Lotkionov (go back to manchester time is over here)
-Hunter (go on waivers and head further south, perhaps the Mexican league)
-Doughty (has to play better D in his end, focus on your role man)
-Greene (work on foot speed which is lacking)
-Mitchell (stay in the lineup and stay focused)
-Martinez (play like its your last shift everytime not once in a while)
-Voynov (keep developing and you will be fine)
-Scuderi (continue supporting the younger guys, your the mentor now)
-Drewiski (work hard everyday, no let up)
-Quick (stay focused from start of game till last buzzer)
-Bernier (just be a solid backup and enjoy the ride)
……..and we should be fine.
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Mongo88 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@Harty, You are dead on with everything you said but, you left out JMFJ!
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Harty Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
@Mongo88, oh ya……
-Johnson (clean up your plus / minus record by shortening your shifts)
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KingsGuy Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
@Mongo88, Westgarth
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Harty Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@KingsGuy, geez……
-Westgarth (stop thinking your the goal scorer, take someone’s head off, period end of question)
dduffy Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@KingsGuy,
And your forgot about Gabby, one of the Ice Crew.
KingsFan88 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
@Harty, While I agree with most of your assesments, there are a few you’ve missed (In my opinion)…
Loktionov would be a star in another system (Detroit, Vancouver). He doesn’t have room on the ice to skate and create in a Defense First System.
Brown (again, in my opinion) should surrender the ‘C’; not sure to whom, but I’d start with Richards. It worked in San Jose when Marleau gave-up the Captaincy; by relinquishing the ‘C’ he was relieved of the pressure that comes with wearing it and became a much better player on the ice. I think Brown doesn’t posses the leadership skills needed to wear the ‘C’; very good player, but we haven’t seen that ‘player’ at all this season.
Kopitar is concerned about playing D instead of creating on O.
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Harty Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
@KingsFan88, Boy that is a tough one about Brown, I think rather then pull the C and give it out to someone. (Richards)
Why not trade him my reasoning why, then you don’t have to deal with the fall out.
Example, imagine if your boss was demoted and you became his/her boss…..how uncomfortable is that, tough to manage.
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KingsFan88 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
@Harty, Trading Brown is an option that I’ve heard in the Hockey world; if you’re not doing a job, then changes need to be made; in the business or sports environment…
Christian T Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
@Harty, I think all the take the C away from Brown talk is a bit off. He is maybe our best captain since Taylor. He also probably is a little like Nordstrom so you should expect him to let his hard work do his talking. Because the team is under achieving is not the right reason to take that letter away. If the Kings did remove the C what makes you think Richards would want a letter that becomes meaningless when things get tough.
I would hope everyone lets the blame and negativity leave us for a few weeks and see what the changes produce.
Neil Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:04 am
@Harty, I agree with giving Richards the “C”. I think that the illustration of boss working under you does not apply in this situation. Brown is not the “boss” but the “leader”. and his leadership has not done much these days for this team. This entire change being made doesnt land solely on Terry Murry (though most of it was him) but the entire team and organization. It fell apart from the top down. I think that Richards seems to have a leadership mentality, he can get the team moving, he can change the pace of the game, he can SHOW how to get things done. He walks the walk, leads by example, and isnt that the best way to do so?
Todd S. Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 12:06 pm
@Harty, I think the issue with Brown continuing on as the Kings captain has as much to do with what he does away from the rink as what he does on the ice or in the locker room. With all the charity work he and his wife do in the name of the Kings organization is highly regarded around the league, so pulling the “C” from him would be a huge PR disaster. I’m ok with him just leading by example on the ice, and letting the locker room, players-only meetings being conducted by a guy like Matt Greene.
EASportsMgt Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
@KingsFan88, I completely disagree on so many levels. First of all your saying to relieve him of the duties and pressure but then giving them same pressure and duties to Richards who many believe will strive here because he doesn’t have the pressure of being the Captain.
What really gets to me is how you must be present in the locker room or in the one on one meetings with the coach to know that Brown doesn’t possess the leadership skills. I mean you must in orser to make a statement like that. Otherwise how can you say that Brown is not a leader. There are many types of leaders, just because he is not your type of leader, I wouldn’t say he doesn’t deserve to wear the C.
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KingsFan88 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
@EASportsMgt, So you admit there is pressure?
This Kings’ Team was predicted to compete for a top spot in the Western Conference; a prediction that hasn’t existed for a Kings’s Team since Gretzky was here. that is pressure and Brown hasn’t answered the bell (Evident by his play, and lack of goals). I am aware other players are in a drought as well, but as the Captain, he needs to do more and I just don’t see it…I don’t need to be in a locker room to see that, his lack of leadership on the ice is enough for me to comment.
BTW, I don’t believe anybody who comments here is privy to any “behind the scenes” activity, but we still like to comment…
EASportsMgt Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
@KingsFan88, honestly I dont think there is much pressure here in LA. Now in Philadelphia yeah I believe Richards had a lot more pressure than anyone out here. Thats why I think Richards could come here and just play and not have tl do too much.
Then you talk about how Brown hasn’t showed you on the ice that he is a leader. I’m curious as to which player has shown that. By all accounts every player has struggled, Kopi is in a slump, Quick isn’t as hot, Richards is out, and all the other “scorers” aren’t scoring. Just because Brown isn’t going out every nght and hitting as much as he used doesnt mean he isnt a leader anymore.
What you dont see is what he does behind the scenes that keeps this team together. This team could have easily fallen apart with their slump, losing their coach, and the beat down they took in Detroit, but they didn’t. And a lot of it has to do with his leadership. During the Doughty holdout situation he would text Drew and make sure his head was right because he knew Drew stresses out about those kinds of things. He made sure Drew knew the team was ready for him when the business got done.
I don’t think you give Brown enough credit for what he does. I just think you don’t see the same Brown as last year and you feel that means he isn’t being a leader.
BTW some of us are privy to some of the behind the scenes. Maybe not what happens in the locker room as all players are tight lipped about the room.
BTW, some of us are “privvy” to behind the scenes. Not what goes on in the locker room but what goes on in general.
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EASportsMgt Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
@EASportsMgt, sorry couldn’t see if that last sentence was on there from phone or not.
408kingsfan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
@EASportsMgt, Yeah I certainly thought he pulled his weight against Toronto lastnight
KC23 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
@EASportsMgt, My problem with Brown isn’t so much with his hitting in general, it the lack of sticking up for team mates that get plastered or ruffed up. I also think he is often not verbose enough to the refs on occasions that call for it. He is not talented enough to consistantly get big goals, but I must say has impressed recently in that regard.
KingsFan88 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
@EASportsMgt, All I’m trying to say is; the Kings have fired their coach and it is time for Brown to step-up and lead this team, or he needs to go…very simple.
Do you watch other NHL games? Watch how the Captains from teams like San Jose, Chicago, Detroit, Dallas, and Boston play; how they conduct themselves during critical moments on the ice. Brown hasn’t been close this year whatsoever.
Try to remember when Brown was awarded the ‘C’; he played like a leader should; he was agressive, gritty, a blue-collar player, and he scored. He seemed to be involved in every critical play. I haven’t seen that Dustin Brown for awhile…I just don’t understand your allegiance to Brown; the time is now!!!
KingsFan88 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
@EASportsMgt, If you are included in behind the scene activity, then explain why Richards high-fives the team before the game? That is the role of a Captain…
Neil Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:16 am
@EASportsMgt, I think you are giving Brown too much credit. I very much like Brown and think he is a great person for this hockey club and mean no disrespect to him, but I believe that Richards has the mentality and drive that this team needs now. Learning from a guy like that and getting his support would be great for this team. You said that Brown contacted doughty during the hold out. As did Johnson, and im sure a bunch of the guys. should he be known as a behind the scenes leader? That is not what puts the C on a jersey. Behind the scenes is a huge part of it, but so is on the ice. In the game. In the moment. And i personally can see more of that in Richards. He was a great captain for philly (who were a better team)
chip Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 12:31 am
@KingsFan88, It worked in SJ how? Where have they been? ’bout the same as they were the year before? Yeah. The “C” doesn’t matter as much as fans make it out to be.
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silk Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
@Harty, You are missing the most important aspect of putting the puck into the net. It doesn’t matter how hard each player works and “moves their feet” that counts, it’s how smart they play. We played hard and were moving our feet last night, but did we score? NO…Why? We do have the skills, what we lack are the brains to get open in the slots and guys alert enough to anticipate them being there and feeding them the puck. We only have one player that does this consistently and that is Richards! Richards was the sole reason that we had any type of scoring or power play effectiveness. Since he’s been out of the lineup, we have been pathetic. Anyone with any hockey sense knew that we were in trouble when we lost him. I didn’t think that it would be this bad but I knew we would struggle in the scoring area. Gagne is perhaps the next player that understands the importance of positioning– but he primarily looks to feed others the puck in a scoring position, but unfortunately no one is in the prime scoring areas. Our defenders are on the points and our forwards are on the boards or behind the net. How can you score from those positions? You can’t! You need some lucky bounces–like last night. Even though we had 40+ shots; how many were really prime scoring opportunities? Very few…… It’s all about anticipation and being in the right position for the quick one-timer. We are the absolute WORST team in this area..that’s why we don’t score and that what Sutter needs to work on most….in my humble opinion.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@silk, I totally agree! I’ve always thought it IS the guy AWAY from the puck carrier that is causing our lack of scoring. They ‘re watching the play too much instead of moving and being creative in how to get open.
I think we need a FAST talented young skater now that TM is gone. I’d like to see the Kings try and acquire Magnus Paajarvi from the Oils. I don’t know why we didn’t try to go after Jakob Voracek from Columbus last summer. I know he’s a good skater!!
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CupRun2012 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
@Harty, Great summation! \
- Kopi needs to get his “scoring” mojo back…he’s still a horse that can dominate with puck control–his wingers need to find the net more often.
- Stoll just needs to find the net (period!).
- Penner is getting better every game–hope it’s not too late.
- JMFJ needs to rule his territory and take no prisoners–as much as he worksouts, he should be obliterating anyone in front of the net.
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Nice breakdown. However, interestingly the main part of question “Will it work?” is left undefined…work how?
I take it that in the short term ‘work’ means make the playoffs, which would be an admirable achievement considering the circumstances. I certainly would call it him a failure if he didn’t, depending on how the team plays overall. Work could also mean an improved offense…hard not to improve from dead last. Or it could mean a less Sybil-like team with far fewer losing streaks.
Of course, in the end, the question of ‘will it work?’ can only mean one thing… the Stanley Cup. Sure, if he ends up getting us there -or anywhere close- it would be a very solid step forward. But in order for this thing to work, we need a Cup in LA.
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Weasel Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
@wavesinair,
At this point just making the playoffs counts as ‘working’ – doing that will make the off season bearable and the team will have played well in the second half.
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Stuart Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@Weasel, to even further the points made…
at this point, scoring 3 goals in one 60-minute game would count as “working”
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
@Weasel, I’m curious why the sentiment seems to be that for us to make the playoffs we’re going to have to make a helluva run and play almost perfect hockey? We’re only 3 points out of the number 8 spot for the playoffs and 5 points behind the Pacific Division leader. We need to keep pace with the 4-8 teams in the conference and pick up a few points in the standings along the way and we’ll be fine. We need a strong second half and we can’t afford any prolonged losing streaks, but I still expect this team to make the playoffs and not with some last week of the season Hail Mary. I think our worst hockey is in the rear view mirror, and we’re still right in the thick of things.
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Jason4Kings Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
@40YearKingsFan,
It’s gonna be tough, but doable. Consider the Kings have played one or two more games than most teams in the west, and also look at the teams in the 1 through 8 spots. Who are we gonna gonna knock out? San Jose? Nashville? There’s a bit of a hill to climb.
mcsorleyfan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
@40YearKingsFan, For 95 points we need to be 6 games over 500,basically. Very doable over 50 games!
wavesinair Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
ugh, messed that up “I certainly would NOT call it a failure if he didn’t (make the playoffs).” Meaning if the team plays better overall and they don’t make it, I can’t put that on Sutter.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@wavesinair,
I am of the kind that believes if its going to “work”, it better be a Cup, nothing less. Why accept less than the top? The club is here to win it all, and if they’re ready to just accept anything less, than why go to the trouble of even trying in the first place?
Anything less than the Cup is unacceptable. Believe it. Live it. Get after it.
They aren’t here to look pretty. It’s for that large silver chalice thing.
Period.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
@Kingsfanone, That’s It!!!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
@wavesinair, I would define “make it work” as do significant damage in the playoffs, sufficient for the average Kings fan to believe the Kings are still on track to the extent they thought so before Kopitar went down toward the end of last season.
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
@wavesinair,
i think…at least from what i understood from upper management’s comments before the season…that team needs to make a significant improvement from last year’s first-round exit…whether “significant” means making it to the second-round or beyond, remains to be explained…
but i do think peeps not named dl still have lofty expectations for this team regardless of what’s transpired…however, from this point on, it would seem to me that how the kings play and where they end up at season’s end will become the final criteria in deciding dl’s fate…dl owns it now…he’s played his trump card…even if he got pushed by the higher powers that be to fire tm…
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kings king Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
@wavesinair, This team should still be able to make conference finals. We’re not that far behind in the points race and we have time. I watch almost all the televised games and, compared defensively against other teams, usually no one has an easy game against the kings in zone. This team has to work to balance their defense with good offense. I doubt we’ll have the quick strike style like Chicago but this team should be able to play a Bruins type game. I think we need literal work. Winning more battles, grabbing the puck and keeping it in our zone and letting our cycle go to work. Our advantage comes from our defensemen and they will ultimately win games for this team. It’s a matter of doing that at a high crisp pace. Best way to play defense is to play offense.
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We should stop saying what our record has to be going forward. We’re 5-6 points out of a playoff spot which means we have get 2-3 more wins than those around us. If we play to our potential, that will happen. If not, we won’t make it.
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Helvetica Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
@Yellow Pants, Thats not quite accurate. Other teams are winning at a higher percentage than we are. Which means, by the end of the season, the gap will be larger than it is currently. Certainly some teams will slow down, pick up, remain the same, etc… But, statistically, we need to win a lot of games to pick up spot. 2-3 more than those around us likely won’t cut it.
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Yellow Pants Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
@Helvetica, respectfully, I’m not sure I agree. The past is behind us and going foward, we need to do 6 points better than others. This said, I get your point, which is that we have to turn things around more than they do… I like it that I got 3 positive replies, instead of a bunch of negativity. Btw, I was at TSC tonight and saw all the boys for their holiday party and they looked pretty chill… I think I saw Coach Killer there too.
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Stuart Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@Yellow Pants, I just want to focus on jumping the teams ahead of us within our division… let’s take it to the sharks/yotes/stars repeatedly and finish in 1st in the Pacific.
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Yellow Pants Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
@Stuart, from your lips to God’s ears…
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
@Yellow Pants, I am ready to support this concept, or even better–winning consistently, where consistently is defined as not losing ground in the seedings, but gaining occasionally.
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Yellow Pants Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth, Absolutely, and everyone forgets that if you win 4-5 games in a row, it’s a whole new race. If they cycle and transition like Monday, they’ll crush Anaheim. That would be 2
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It will work… because it has to.
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Whatever. The only problem the Kings have is creating, or manufacturing goals. If the proper motivational speaker is all they really needed, then fine. I have my own concerns as to how 1, 2, and 3 apply to “why it might not work”, but Deans already made the choice.
I think it’s more than just getting the proper motivation, but hey! lets go with that, then when it doesn’t work, trade away some key assets to try and make it work.
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wavesinair Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
@Dominick,
I have to ask. If the Kings were in 2nd place in the West right now, would you be saying the same thing?
10th place 2.12 5on5 goals per game average – 30th in the NHL
vs.
2nd place 2.35 5on5 goals per game average – 26th in the NHL
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
@wavesinair,
Balance. If your not gonna count on offense, than your goals against will have to make up the difference. It’s no secret that teams who can’t score, but are exceptional defensively, don’t dominate the landscape of elite teams. Minnesota is doing it with defense only, and there are exceptions, but why purposely try to attain that?
The Kings problem is scoring goals. Defensively, were right with the best in the league.
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wavesinair Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@Dominick,
Agreed. Balance is what’s desired. We all want it.
Back to my question though, I think you would not be upset with 2nd, despite the imbalance. Which gets to the heart of the matter. Why are the Kings not better than 10th, regardless of their dismal scoring? Call it ‘proper’ motivation or lack of leadership or whatever. The point is to say the ONLY problem is lack of scoring doesn’t make sense in this context.
So back to your word: Balance…in both D, O, AND M(otivation).
Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
@wavesinair, Also, Toronto has no defense most noghts, and it’s pretty clear that Teams who can’t keep the puck out of their net don’t Dominate hockey either, unless their the Edmonton Oilers of the 1980′s.
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
@wavesinair, 2 ways to look at the Kings problem.
1. The Kings had a proper system in place, and the guys didn’t execute on a nightly basis to the ppoint where we ended up 30th in the league in offense.
2. The system they played was flawed to the point where no matter how hard they worked, they weren’t gonaa score.
If you don’t know enough about how to read systems then it could be theorized that the Kings could score from the walls, or penetrate the nutral zone by ragging the puck back in a regroup, and the only thing they needed was more talent, or someone yelling at them.
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wavesinair Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
@Dominick,
…or more.
1. The Kings had a proper system in place and the guys weren’t motivated on a nightly basis to the point where they ended up losing one goal games they won a year ago.
2. The system they played was working to the point where if they had better leadership, they would have won those games.
If you don’t know enough about human behavior then it could be theorized that ‘working hard’ in a better system automatically equals more wins or motivating a player equals increasing the volume of one’s voice and that the only thing they needed was a balanced system or more goals.
Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
@wavesinair, Would also loike to add that, you can’t end up top 5 defensively by working 1/2 ass. The effort was there, just not the proper strategy.
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snbrdsummit Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
@wavesinair,
Two points.
1. 26th in scoring versus 30th in scoring doesn’t seem like much. But being 12 goals behind that team in 26th (MN) is a lot. Even more given the second point below.
2. We are ranked 11th in shots on goal in the NHL. We are last in shooting % (and not even close). The difference between that team you said was 26th (MN) and us is 30%. Given the same amount of shots, they score 30% more often than we do.
I think the point Dominick is making and it’s one that he and I agree on. Is that the Kings are working hard. They just aren’t working smart. They need direction and an actual system.
Oh, and Dom… I see what you mean by puck-forward now. I misunderstood and you are right.
To the point of “Is Sutter the right choice?” My gut says no, but I’d love to be wrong. We just have too much talent to get excited about and I want to be excited.
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wavesinair Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
@snbrdsummit,
Shooting percentages even out. To your point though, are those 12 goals equal to 9 places in the standings? No. We can agree that the Kings aren’t winning the one goal games they won last year with the SAME system with more offensive tweaks AND more talent. Execution is huge and so is chemistry.
That being said, I’m all for more goals and being anything less than 15th in the NHL is just totally unacceptable. But the Kings have had success with no offense. I don’t like the idea that it will stay that way under Sutter but I do like the idea he will get more from the team than Murray did.
Also, something not really talked about yet is Sutter vs. Murray’s in-game adjustments. I think that probable improvement alone may be worth a few extra wins.
Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
@snbrdsummit, Exactly the point I was refering to in all aspects. I like you have a “hope it works” position right now.
variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
@Dominick,
i don’t know if the league keeps this stat, but i would love us to find out where the kings rank as a team in shots off-goal…
i have never seen a team miss the net as much as we do…
so it could be that we are not maximizing the output we generate as a whole because we seem to be using a lot of energy just to miss the net…
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
@variable, The stat your looking for is corsi. Behimd the net keeps track of all pucks directed at the net, then breaks dow misses, blocked shots, and so on. Fenwick numbers are simillialar, but break the numbers down a little different. I’ll put together a list of sites for you when I’m not too busy, and go oer the number breakdowns one day with you.
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It will have to work. it should not be hard to go 30-20 with this roster. If it is then they need a rebuild. Frankly most of us expected this team to get close to 50 wins this year.
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Last night was a good indication that the players are ready to work. Last few games they’ve had a lot of shots on net but last night there was some glimpses of creativity. Keep it going and we should be back on track
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It will work, DL will make it work.
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The live stream will be tomorrow after practice. I do believe, but maybe I’m wrong.
I will be changing my screen name soon. I feel that with the new coach coming in and changes are taking place, then I’m going to do my part and change right with them. I’m sure it’s not a big deal to most of you out, but to me it is.
Being a part of this blog site has been a joy. It has made being a Kings fan rewarding and also is a place where at times I have seen my knowledge grow. I in no way have the Hockey IQ like the many of you do. Each day here, reading most of the post has filled be with a lot of human emotions. I find it funny when we not always agree. Always trying to be the one on top, becoming the winner. All I know is that through the years it has been quite a ride. This is why I’m going to take this time to wish all of you a Happy Yule Tide Blessing.
As far as the club goes… What are they doing taking a day off from practice. Listen up, if any team in the NHL who could benefit from an extra day of practice, it would be the Kings. Family, are family could wait. We Need Ice Time!!! I’m happy with the win yesterday, but if Brown doesn’t come through then we are all sitting here bitching them out again. One wish many of us insiders are calling for is to get rid of Jamie K. Hopefully we will be singing the old Van Halen tune…OH Jamie’s Cryin. He should of got dumped last season, TM may still have a job if he would of dumped him.
Time to see what Coach Sutter bring to the team. Hopefully we come out and get after them early. And please can we give coach a few games till we start bashing his head in. Some of you are down right brutal when the Kings lose. It’s kind of funny because I picture some skinny nred looking dude behind his coumpter letting out all of his years of being beat on the Kings when they lose. You can be who ever you want on the internet and blog sites. But nothing compairs to face to face meetings. It is there when looking in others eyes you know who they are.
Keep up the winning way my King Brothern. The road is hard and tough ahead, but we believe and trust that you will put out your best efforts. Thank you and tarry not. Yours Truly,
…King Charles of Salt Lake!!!
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Forum gold Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@kinginsaltlake, Always enjoy your comments and if necessary constructive criticism. I am one of the let Kompon go Insiders and hope this coaching change is the right move. If it is not I have signed up to help with the house cleaning at Staples on April 8th. If KCSL has a broom you can ride with me. GO KINGS GO!!!
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trytodethroneus Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
@kinginsaltlake,
What if kompon reacts like the aerosmith song, Jamie’s got a gun”?
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BluLiner Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
@kinginsaltlake,
Nice post King Charles. I look forward to your future posts under the new name.
With your new outlook, I would also suggest giving Kompon another chance under the new coach. Tm was ultimately responsible for Kompon and until they fire him, we should see how he handles the power play under Sutter.
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nykingfan Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 5:21 am
@kinginsaltlake,
Not Metta World Peace???? lol
Good post King Charles…as always!
Merry Chrsitmas!
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another lost season.
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I voted No. This isn’t the 60′s, 70′s, 80′s or even the 90′s. Information moves at lightning speed, computers do all of the analysis, and for the most part men don’t wear plaid sportscoats anymore. Being out of coaching for 5 years in the 2000′s is like being out of coaching for 10 years in those other decades. The rules have changed significantly and you can’t tell me there are no coaches ut there who haven’t already seen Sutter’s philosophy on the ice and devised a way to beat it. Unfortunately, I think this is just going to be a relpay of TM but with passion. Predicatable but loud.
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
@DesertKing,
Sutter could surprise. I said the same when St.Louis signed Hitch. To Hitchcocks credit though, he had no intention of making his team a defense first team, and instead concentrates on a good attack to push teams back defensively.
I am concerned though.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
@Dominick, according to his own testemony ,Hichcoke took time to analize and understand todays game (before geting back to” business”)and become 21 cenury(like rich said) coach.Something TM never did and something DS would do and ..could surprise. I think DL knew and understand all this by making this /his probabably the most important choice of his cariere.
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
@Dominick,
hitchcook is a rarity because he’s an old-time coach that keeps up-to-date on the modern game and adapts accordingly…
he’s…by far…one of the most intelligent coaches of his generation…and his ability to adapt his peripheral philosophy and strategy is the difference…sure, he keeps his core beliefs intact…but he’s willing to work them into today’s game effectively…he does this by being an excellent teacher…
i just don’t see sutter being able to accomplish this…but like many on here whom have already said the same thing, let’s hope our doubt is ill-fated…
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g smith86 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
@DesertKing, Very good points…But the Kings know how to play the game…they need a kick in the pants and Sutter may be the foot
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Off topic here but go to NHL website and vote for Richards kopitar quick doughty and Johnson
For the all star game.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
@Kingfish, only Kopi and Richards are worthy, Quick is in with tough competition and DD and JJ aren’t all-star caliber.
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kingfish Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@Happy Lappy,
I hear ya, you’re right but I voted for them anyway. They dont really stand a chance but I put in the votes.
Hopefully Kopi and Quick get in. Quicks worthy.
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brian spain Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
@Kingfish, why would you want your top players who play heavy minutes to play in a worthless all star game. Hiller lost his season last year because of getting nailed in the head by a puck. I would want our guys home resting for the second half.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
@brian spain, they got more than enough rest..1 2 3 4 5 months “rest”..
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kingfish Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
@brian spain,
Because I don’t think they get enough coverage from the east coast centric hockey press. Especially Quick, he’s a top goalie in the league. Its good to have some King’s in the All Star game. One year I think the whole triple crown line was in the game.
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Rich, you said, “’ Sutter is a proven quantity, a veteran NHL coach with a track record”, but that sounds like the same old stuff that they were saying when they hired Terry Murray and Mark Crawford before him. The bad thing is that I do think that this is a good move because the Kings can’t afford to go with an untested guy in midstream with the season on the line.
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rontheking Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
@deadcatbounce,
Yeah, that’s kind of my final take on it too. Mid-season almost demands a retread screamer–someone who will get the most out of the players through sheer will and browbeating.
I still have my doubts he will last more than a year or two…but who knows? It will probably depend on the results of the experiment….
For now it seems like the right thing to do in a tough situation.
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I posted not certian, for we still might need a major trade to go far in the playoffs, Im sure we will make it to the playoffs, but we wont go far if we can’t get more then 3 goals pre-game..
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Sammuch Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
@Sammuch, Just a thought!!
I hope the group we have now, workout!
But if we keep on sliding and the ducks too, we might have a Ryan trade in place. They need defense the kings need offense? NYI & NYR have made major trades as rivals, it’s time for the Kings & ducks to do a major trade & grab Ryan?
May the best trade win! AM JB & JP or JW for Ryan, Ellis w/ 2nd round pick
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killshot Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@Sammuch, yes and no….the Ducks NEED a goalie FIRST, Hiller couldn’t stop ice from melting at the South Pole. So unless we’re will to give up Bernier and like 12 draft picks….it might be improbable.
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DanD Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
@killshot, um, yeah the ducks don’t need a goalie. hiller is a good goalie on a really terrible team. They aren’t lookiing for a goalie. Plus, the ducks aren’t trading us Ryan, period. Trades within the division are things GM’s don’t ever do, especially blockbusters like you are speaking about.
DanD Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@Sammuch, what major trades have the rangers and islanders made lately? Emphasis on major.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
@Sammuch, …ryan is downside now and who knows will (or when) he will recover? so be carefull with the assets you are ‘offering” …JP is much better than Ryan ,also I would not touch JB.
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Jason4kings Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
@flex, JP?
Let’s remember that Andy Murray was what the Kings needed when they got him and for a while, it worked. Eventually all the yelling and the mind games fell on deaf ears and he was dismissed. If DS can turn things around and make them play to expectations then it’s a good thing. But for how long?
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Michael J. Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@SaveByCechmanek,
Four years would be good for me.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@SaveByCechmanek, I agree and have been saying pretty much the same thing. Of course I could be wrong but I’m kind of viewing Sutter as a rental. We will see short term improvement. Maybe a whole lot of improvement, but nonetheless short term. The abrasive shtick doesn’t fly as well as it used to and probably won’t last. But it should get the kind of results that will keep ownership happy and Lombardi employed and I think realistically, that’s what this move is all about. I don’t think anybody is naive enough to think this team was a lock to get to the finals and/or win the cup, but going further into the playoffs is a must for Lombardi to have his contract extended. Sutter will help him do that and improve the team, and then he’ll wear out his welcome and be gone. Just my thoughts.
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SaveByCechmanek Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
@40YearKingsFan, Agree with you as well. It’s an antidote that if it works, it better cure ALL ills because any less of a cure won’t cut it.
Making it to the playoffs isn’t even good enough because what makes it work is what also helps kill it. Nothing less than a trip to the conference finals and beyond is what would validate this hire and keep DL’s job safe. It sounds crazy and downright ambitious but this isn’t 2008 anymore and the stakes are much much higher. I wish DS all the best and hope he turns on the right switches.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
@40YearKingsFan, ..lets forget about coaches …What did you expect from this team before the start ..back in september?
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 6:00 am
@flex, My expectations when I was being objective rather than a diehard Kings fan were that this team could get into the top 4 spots in the west, get home ice, and make it out of the first round. After that I figured they have as much chance as anyone to get on a roll and make a deep run. But that’s a hope not an expectation. The playoffs are all about who gets hot at the right time. So, my expectation was the get to the second round, my hope was they’d get hot, go on a run, and who knows?
#2 of ‘Why it might not work: Too Much Yelling’ is EXACTLY the reason why any contract longer than this season is an absolute FAIL. There has only been one report of a ‘Multi-Year’ contract being signed and I believe that was mentioned here in passing a few days ago. Dave Tippett is the PERFECT fit for this team and the only way I see Sutter working is in the short term to make the playoffs this year and have a chance. Anything long term will just burn players out.
Now can Sutter learn from his mistakes and change? Well, if I was the GM, he’d only have this season to prove that this indeed is the case. I really don’t understand Dean Lombardi’s thinking behind a ‘Multi-Year’ contract for Sutter, given the young, new NHL nature of his team. The ‘Cynic’ in me sees something fishy. Pure speculation, but there’s a big opportunity in full view coming up at the end of the season for the right guy and he’s doing this? What is DL’s goal? The Cup should be the goal, but I don’t think anyone really sees Sutter as the means to that end.
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fsd1 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
@Cynic, is there a “no fire” clause? Otherwise, could he not release(fire) him and hire tippet if he wanted? Im not sure.
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King Alex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
@Cynic, No GM can sign a head coach for a term longer than the GM’s current contract, therefore, DS’s agreement will be for the remainder of this year and next year in full as that’s when DL,s contract expires the 2012/2013 season
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Cynic Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
@King Alex, I’m aware, but thanks for that. If DL’s contract was up at the end of this season, this wouldn’t matter. Anything past this season is failure IMO.
Sure we could ‘fire’ him, but why not be upfront about the situation instead? Sit Sutter down, explain things, tell him TIppett is the target at the end of the season unless you can do something wonderous this season.
Much more upfront.
Problem is, Dean isn’t even targeting Tippett if he’s giving Sutter a ‘Multi-Year’ deal. I know he can’t talk about Tippett because he’s the Yotes property and all, but the deal he gives Sutter speaks volumes enough.
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KC23 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
@King Alex, I think getting Tippet is a pipe dream and hardly something you would talk to your newly hired coach, (which may work out, who knows) like it was a done deal, we’re going for Tippet. I would say even if we were in the market for a coach at the end of the season Tipper may just prefer to go else where. No doubt by season’s end they’ll be more coaches lined up to be canned. So Tipper will have options no doubt.
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DesertKing Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
@Cynic,
Couldn’t have said any of it better. I agree that we should target Tippet in the off-season. Unfortunately, I think this move will end in failure and cost DL his job (catastrophic collapses have a tendency to do that) so Sutter would have to leave if DL was gone. Boy do I hope I am wrong!!!
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
@Cynic,
re: sutter…
i agree…and you know this already, CYNIC, because we have discussed this at length previously…
i also think that either tippett or granato would be great behind our bench…but i don’t think they were ever seriously considered because dl was not about to lay in the weeds with the hope he would labd one of those guys…
if he’s gonna go down with the ship at year’s end, he will do so with someone he knows and trusts – not a stranger…sutter is dl’s guy for no other reason than this….
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Jason4kings Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
@Cynic,
It’s crazy to us, but I get the impression Lombardi would hire Sutter even if Tippett was available NOW. I think the contract is through next season. I’m willing to bet that unless things go really south (like Islanders south) Sutter will be with us through next season, unless Lombardi loses his job in the summer then all bets are off.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:40 am
@Jason4kings, I think you’re right on every count. This is an emergency situation for Deano and it would seem the “in case of emergency” scenario he’s probably played out in his head a million times has always led to Sutter who is the closest thing to a sure thing for Lombardi. I think the move is intended to show enough improvement to get his contract extension next year and continue with the long term plan, not necessarily to win the cup or make a big splash this year, or next for that matter. I like Lombardi and I think he’s good for the organization, but he’s not in San Jose because they saw him as a guy who couldn’t deliver the goods. A very good GM that just couldn’t win it all. Are we going to see a replay of that?
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30-19-1 to make the postseason. If we don’t do that we don’t need to waste the league’s time with our presence in the playoffs.
He’s a good fit for us. Defense is what we do well. Push the players for more offense. We don’t have any superstars besides Richards so the players should have a good attitude and respond to Mr. Sutter’s barking.
Time to see what this team really has.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
@LA_1968, …we DO HAVE some other superstars beside Richards…
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LA_1968 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
@flex, I hope that one day Doughty, Brown, Kopitar (2 all-star games), Johnson and Quick can someday be considered superstars outside of us die hard Kings fans.
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Can someon explain to me the changes that are discussed before/after the lockout?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@Lake Forest, Clutching and grabbing being called for what it is, stick fouls being called for what they are, the removal of the red line for two-line pass purposes. You could probably throw in this year’s additional critique of hits.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
That is, they didn’t change the rule book, but they began interpreting it literally.
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Lake Forest Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Thanks man!
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KC23 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
@Lake Forest, Also the 2 line off sides rule I believe changed then.
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Lake Forest Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
@KC23, can you explain that?
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DanD Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
@Lake Forest, 2 line off side is exactly as it sounds. if a player into the defensive zone passes it to his player on the offensive side of the red line, play is blown dead for 2 line, offside pass. Yes that rule changed after the lockout.
Stuart Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@Lake Forest, I’m not sure about the 2-line offsides, but they started with the non-touch up offside (meaning everyone had to not only touch up but WAIT until the offense brought the puck out of the zone = killed the forecheck once a team went offside) but then switched back to the touch-up we see now (which adds to speed the game up, timewise) and they took out the 2-line pass call (which i think they should bring back to lessen the speed built up coming into the zone and maybe halt some of the full speed collisions, not all but some).
So basically, the way the 3rd round and the finals are played used to be the NHL on a nightly basis… I think they put the 2nd ref on the ice after the lockout, but I might be going anachronistic right about now…
Stuart Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
@Lake Forest and DanD, ahhh, then what I always thought of as simply the 2-line pass was/is actually called a 2-line offsides pass. Gotit, thanks.
DanD Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@Lake Forest, Some minor changes too after the lockout would be:
1) When a team gets a penalty, faceoff is in the penalized teamas defensive zone.
2) If a player in his defensive zone shoots the puck untouched over the glass it becomes a minor penalty.
3) Changes are no longer allowed after a team ices the puck.
4) Faceoffs can ONLY taken at a faceoff dot (before they would take faceoffs on certain stoppages not on an actual dot).
4) goaltenders equipment has new regulations on size. Glove & blocker can only be a certain width/height & goalie pads are not allowed to exceed 12″ in width.
That pretty much covers it, not sure if i missed anything.
killshot Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@Lake Forest, and the 2 lines behind the goal where the goalie can no longer play the puck
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@spencerlakings Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
@Lake Forest, i think the main changes were the salary cap, allowing 2 line passes and the shootouts.
It seem that the intent was to have more high scoring games. But the kings really never turned into a high scoring team.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
@Lake Forest, I think the big changes that matter in regard to Sutter is players can’t clutch and grab, slash and hook any more. That caused big changes on defense (and others on offense, in response.) Of course, the stretch pass became popular when they got rid of the two-line pass. Frankly, I was pretty happy with the post-lockout changes.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
That’s what I meant about the changes mostly not being rule-book changes–before you could hook and as long as you weren’t “water skiiing” behind the opponent, you wouldn’t get called. You were pretty much never called for holding unless you tackled a guy, etc. Slashing pretty much had to be on the body to draw a penalty.
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Sounds to me like we will need 3-4 Prongers on the ice for Sutter to be successful…..I hate Prongers!
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
@killshot, No,..sounds wrong to you. a Pronger is good..Prongers No good…We hope DS develed himself to 21cenury level,like Hichcoke did. Being intence and demand (the Maximus)is Good!!
…I do expect good 60 minutes hockey +++ a Winger!!!
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They have to win a lot more than they lose from here on out to make it happen. It will be very sad if this team misses the playoffs.
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Why it won’t work: The team is overrated by the fans. Bottom 6 is impossibly bad, Top 6 is average at BEST.
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Stuart Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@Marc Nathan, dude, is there piss in your cheerios EVERYDAY??? I can’t argue the bottom 6 right now, but the top 6 is better than average, even though they’re playing below average at the moment…
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Michael J. Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
@Stuart,
Too funny Stuart
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DesertKing Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
@Stuart,
I think you meant Fruity Pebbles.
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
@DesertKing, Maybe he’s coo koo for coaco puffs!
DesertKing Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
@Dominick
Even better!
flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
@Marc Nathan, Before the start of seson ,did you have the same opinion? Look at SJ,Coyotes,wilds…do they have better SIXS …top or buttom? ..I do not think so!
Last year half of Pens team was injured,but they got very good records!!! So,the problems we have are not the players,not the quality…
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Marc Nathan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
@flex, i now have a 30 game sample which is more than enough… stand by my statement. Overall … top 6 is average among the 30 teams in this league (meaning 10 are better, 10 are worse.) Bottom 6 is atrocious, and I defy anyone to prove me wrong.
Goaltending is excellent for the most part, but as good as Quick has been, Bernier has been bad, and I’m a big Bernier fan, so I’m not just being negative for the sake of being negative.
As for the D… it’s above average, but not as stellar as we had hoped. Again, 30 game sample. Doughty… FAIL… and the rest are all subject to some criticism, but are generally giving us what we expected.
(and the line is, “Did someone piss in your Cheerios this morning?”) just for clarification.
The answer is, no, but this team’s been stale for the 36 years I’ve been wasting my money on it. Good thing I love the sport.
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30-19-1, eh?
Huh! Good thing there are just 16 games against Detroit, Chicago, Dallas, San Jose, Minnesota and Vancouver left. Oh, and 1 against Boston…
On a serious note if the Kings win 5 or six and feed off the bottom they may squeak in for another 6 and out show.
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tornado12 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
@USHA#17, if the Kings want to be a competitor, they need to prove they can beat ANYBODY. So far this year, they are terrible against the upper echelon teams. That has to change or whats the point?
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USHA#317 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
@tornado12,
Your right. Watching them play Toronto was like watching WWF Midget Smackdown. Two teams scraping bottom. In my opinion the Kings coverage sucked. They were lucky the Leafs didn’t pull ahead by 2 or 3 goals in the 33rd.
Anyone who says differently is fooling themselves.
Did you see that joke of a shoot out?
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I voted it will work. Why? Because as a fan I have to be optimistic. It’s easier to doubt things will not work out, but if that happens, DL & DS will both be fired and yet another rebuild of the Kingdom will commence. I do not want to hear TL’s BS of how that happened next year & how this rebuild will be different. I have hear way to many of those explainations. Let’s face it, the Kings have their backs against a wall & we have dug ourselves quite a hole to get out of. TM taught us well when we were young & hopefully DS will be the motivator I believe this team needs to win moving forward. Only time will tell but for this fan, I am eagerly looking forward to turning the page and see what happen with the rest of this season starting with the Might Fowl of Anaheim on Thursday. I have faith in this team although it’s been shaken at times but I really do believe the Pacific Division is there for the taking if we come together as a team & play as one.
Merry Christmas to all in the Kingdom!
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DanD Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@King Alex, Whoa there. It will not be a full rebuild. The core is still there (Richards, Kopi, Brown, Johnson, Doughty, Quick etc.). It’s mostly the supporting cast that needs to change. Secondary scoring the NHL is huge. Teams that win the Stanley Cup don’t rely on just one line to get the job done. It’s a balanced attack that wins cups. We have the core, right now its just about the supporting cast. We’ll see if DS can motivate these guys to play better as a unit, that’s what the team is really lacking right now.
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King Alex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
@DanD, If this does fail & I sure hope is does’nt, some familiar names & faces on the ice will change IMO. DL’s five year plan will be declared a bust, a new sherrif (GM) will be in town in with a new head coach & staff & all bet’s will be off as the core has had almost five years (not counting Richards) to get it done and did not do it. Uncle Phil & TL did not spend us to the cap this season for this result and if we do not turn it around & make the playoff’s this year, the Kings will be sellers at the trade deadline and yet another rebuild will be upon us. This of course is a worst case scenario should this coaching trade not work & we miss the playoff’s.
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I am of the opinion that the single most impportant job a coach has in this world of long term contracts is to MOTIVATE. It is his resposibility to get his team pumped up for the start of not just every game, but also every period within every game.
Every player on every team has been playing hockey since they learned to walk. They have been taught the rules, and responsibilities through their hockey maturation, including the time spent in Manchester (most at least) where the “system” was imbedded into their brains.
Is there someone in your world that gets you psyched to go to YOUR job efvery morning? Not necessary, since you don’t have media, 15000 fans in the stands and zillions more on TV watching to see how you perform. An uninspired day at the office for you and I pretty much goes unnoticed.
Yet, a hockey player is human too. Forget the money he makes. He needs that SHOVE mentally to forget about the bruises, the wife, the kids,etc. and go out on the ice and perform.
Sutter has that ability. Whether he can get us to the promised land, before he loses the attention of the room remains to be seen.
I am willing to watch and hope, the same way I have since 1969.
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USHA#17 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
@40yearfan,
I have to agree. Most fans look at just the money and forget about the human aspects. Aside from injuries, the worse think that can happen is a team and a system that turns stale.
Perhaps Sutter will be able to distract the players from the recent bumbling of management.
As I pointed out, looking at the schedule going forward, of the remaining 50 games only 16 are against quality Western Conference teams ahead of the Kings. Add 4 more for Tampa, St. Louis and Boston and the Kings should be able to win 30.
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
@40yearfan,
we don’t have the choice if we are loyal fans…all we can do is sit and watch what unfurls…
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I also woted IT WON’T WORK. I agree with those who say that the quality of this team is only average at best. But I still believe we could make a play off. Not more.
In my opinion we only have got 4 players above average right now:
KOPITAR – he’s such a talent but not enough will, killer instinct & confidence in him. Here Sutter should do something to help him. He should attack with more passion & confidence through the middle using all his power and crash the net whenever possible;
RICHARDS – he’s our best play maker, on PP & PK as well, but he should try to make his pases & the game faster as well;
DOUGHTY – getting slowly back to his best. We still need more creativity from him when passing the puck and he still has to limit his turnovers as well;
QUICK – excellent goalie, but a lot of work with his puck handling to be done…….
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Very misleading and inept title. I’ve noticed the quality of your work drop.
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fsd1 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
@Adam, Seiously Adam, get a grip please.
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CB14 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@Adam, Seriously dude? What’s wrong with the headline? Makes perfect sense to me. I don’t know how Rich puts up with posts like this. If you’re going to complain about something, at least be specific in what you don’t like about it.
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@spencerlakings Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
@Adam, Disagree. Rich’s posts have been awesome. Especially during this difficult time. I think he’s answered all the questions that I’ve had on my mind.
We are very lucky t have him!
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Michael J. Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
@Adam,
You can always try the Ducks blog if this one is so bad.
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
@Adam, Very misleading and inept post! Ive noticed the quality of your posts…… oh wait…there is no quality!
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DesertKing Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
@Adam,
Remember, dont eat the fruit that Eve gives you. It will make you crazy.
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wavesinair Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
@Adam,
Headlines and ‘work’ -meaning writing the story- are two different things. Some people write great stories and not very good headlines, while others the opposite. Few do both exceptionally well. That’s what editors are for (among other things).
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KC23 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
@Adam, I’ll just disagree and leave it at that. Way off imho.
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Who will you trade for Iginla?
He has played under Sutter, and you know how DL loves to connect the dots…
Your thoughts?
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NOT IMPRESSED Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
@Harry, The question to ask is “who’s salary do the Kings dump so that they won’t go over the salary cap.” A trade for Ignila, I think is impossible for that reason.
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Harry Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED,
Stoll, Voynov, Clifford and a 1st rounder is what the word is on the streets!
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Stuart Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
@Harry, will we become Calgary South?
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DanD Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
@Harry, Iginla is going to cost likely a 1st rounder, NHLer, & a prospect. Too expensive for us to trade all that to get a guy who has MAYBE 3-4 good years left, and that’s a BIG maybe. Feaster is kind of a moron though, so maybe DL can snake Iginla for cheap. Doubtful though.
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
@Harry,
i don’t think iginla is going to get traded…
not that a team’s ownership hasn’t lied to a player before, but jay feaster relayed ownerships commitment to keep iginla in calgary…
but i’m sure that could change if the flames drop 11 out of 12 before the deadline…promises like that tend to fade away once a team is mired in a long slump…
look no further than us…(!)
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It will work. One of Sutter’s first jobs is to sit DD (and others) until Drew desides he wants to play like he did two years ago. Terry Murray was too nice to make players sit and watch for not being their best.
One of the best teams right now is the Boston Bruins. Sutter can make the Kings play that style.
Kings will go 34-9-6 for the rest of the season.
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fsd1 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED, wrong, DD will not get benched. That is the last team he or this team needs.
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fsd1 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@fsd1, That is the last THING he or this team needs.
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@spencerlakings Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED, Oh I have to disagree. DD’s game has turned around. He was awesome against the leafs. He’s starting to play like he should.
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USHA#17 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
@@spencerlakings,
Your kidding, right? You grandmother would have looked good against the leafs.
And I suppose you missed the 3rd period when the Leafs stormed the net over and over….they are even worse then the Kings thank god…they miss two or three open nets.
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DanD Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED, Yeah, lets also bench Kopitar cause he hasn’t scored since November. May as well bench Richards when he gets back too, he was -1 in his last game before injury.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED, ..like Boston.Very good idea.There are some people on this board questioning the talent level we got.I do not think Boston got more talent than kings,but they a working system and knew how to use all those skills and amount of talent they got.Balance is the Key Word….DD is one of the best IN THIS LEAGE.The only thing wrong with DD is his age, “wrong envirment”, a contract-temptention (because of Late singinig)..
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USHA#17 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
@flex,
Boston has more talent then the Kings. Both on and behind the bench.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
@USHA#17, only behind the bench.Under Terry Murrey if two teams swich the players the result would be much the same!!!
I don’t see it working out. The Kings top 6 aren’t built for Sutter’s type of play. They’re skilled guys who aren’t very big. The biggest reason why TM was fired is because the players finally got tired of playing in an offensive system that limits their production, and weren’t confident that things would turn around using the current system. I hope that doesn’t happen under Sutter, but I feel it will. Also, if/when they go on a losing streak, I don’t think the guys will take too kindly of getting yelled all the time. That can get old after awhile, especially if you’re not winning.
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jess Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
@CB14,
You think he’s going to muck and grind the boys? What if he brings an offensive A coach with a modern perspective? I mean I don’t know either but I’m going to reserve judgement until I see all of the elements in place.
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CB14 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
@jess, You may be right, but isn’t Kompon still employed? LOL, therefore I’m not expecting an assistant coach with a modern perspective. As Rich said, “Sutter’s teams have been known for their grit and their tenacity, their willingness to slow the game down and grind teams into submission”. Unless this changes I don’t see it working, but I would love to be proven wrong.
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jess Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
@CB14,
I’d imagine Sutter would want to bring in his own offensive coach. I mean Hitchcock did adjust to the modern style, maybe Sutter will too. Last thing I want to do, is do what accountants do, which is to navigate the road in front of them by using the rear-view mirror.
flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
@CB14, ..also,much the same with Hichcoke…Teams have been known…,but this guy ,according his own testemony ,did some “researche” and become 21 century coach.Hoply,DS too would show up like he knows todays NHL.At list Dl understoond all this ,when he made one his most important choices.One think I like about DS is being intense.I do expect good 60 minutes hockey…and plus a Winger.Also,I like there are already two players who felt that this team needs this type of guy.Lets hope ..we all as loyal fans deserve much better hockey and of course it would be very nice to see how would silver of Stanley shining under LA sun.
Hadley Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@CB14, the Sutters, to me, are relics of a bygone era. Dan Bylsma is what a good coach looks like — and sounds like — in 2011-2012. I so hope I’m wrong. Go Kings Go.
DanD Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
@CB14, Yeah, well when you’re a professional, getting paid millions and millions of dollars to play hockey and you don’t do your job correctly, or work hard like you need to, you deserve to get chewed out. Not sure about your job, but if I don’t work hard or do my job right, my boss lets me hear about it in a not so nice way. It’s an unfriendly reminder that if I don’t do my job, i’m gonna hear about it.
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CB14 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
@DanD, I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but as Rich pointed out, “This isn’t the old NHL. Players have huge contracts, and star players with long-term contracts know they arguably have more security than the coach.” I would even go as far to eliminate the “arguably” from that statement. Your bosses boss isn’t going to fire your boss if you’re not happy with him. While DL will fire Sutter if he doesn’t work out. Different situation.
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fsd1 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
@CB14, My guess is that Sutter has not just been out on the farm milking the cows for the last 5 yeers, he is an intelligent hockey person and I imagine he has all kinds of ideas on how to make the LA Kings solid in this “new” hockey era. And he has the experience to do it, the same as Hitch. Im looking foward to how the team responds to him, however, I am not worried about it. Just think, 5 years of planning the next success story. Even if it is mostly TM’s system with Sutter tweaks. They executed it well for almost the whole game last night.
fsd1 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
@CB14, Not just to you CB14, general response just clicked in the wrong spot.
Michael J. Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
@CB14,
I bet they will be fine under Sutter. He’s not Barry Melrose, so he won’t be allowed to dismantle the team. I honestly think Sutter won’t make the same mistakes that Murray did. He’s gotta be smarter than that. He’s going to allow the kings’ players to play to their strengths. He’ll get good input from Stevens, Hextall and Lombardi.
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jeff Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
@CB14, Befor counting SUTTER out or saying it won’t work, why don’t we wait and see what kind of ssystem he will play. The fact is he had to play that kind of system with Calgary because outside of Iginla, they had really no offensive skill at all. They had to play the muck and grind defensive sytem to succeed. With the Kings, this will most likely be the best offensively skilled team he has ever coached. Things will be different in his approach.
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CB14 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
@jeff, @Michael J., @fsd1, You guys may all be right. Sutter might come in here and everything will click just right. We will see. I’m just basing my opinion off of his previous Head Coaching jobs, and how this current team is constructed. As the saying goes, I’ll believe it when I see it.
@fsd1, You’re right that they executed it well for almost the whole game last night, yet still couldn’t score more then 2 goals against the 25th ranked defensive team. Even if they had scored 3 goals, that still would’ve been under what Toronto gives up.
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
@CB14,
our bottom six have been very disappointing overall…
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
@variable, .did you think so,before the start of season or lets compare top and buttom of the kings with Wild,coyotes …yes, sharks.. and BOSTON .It is time to understand,we do have very very good line up and the the right question is “what is missing?’ not who is missing.Though ,I do think we need a winger and/or replacment for Zeus/smith in front of the net or reajust the “system ” (if any?)
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I think we need to cause a big uproar because Sutter doesnt speak Spanish! The LA Latino community will be up in arms if the new coach isnt bilingual!!!!
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@spencerlakings Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
@Sebastian, Haha. It’s the kings. Not Los dodgers.
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Sebastian Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
@@spencerlakings, you mean…LOS REYES?
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King Sachmo Stallion Maximus The Great Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
@Sebastian, Que?
Dom Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
@Sebastian, is de Kiins playin’ an not de Dojers…. is fine, no problem.
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DesertKing Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
@Sebastian,
Dos cervezas, mas frias porfavor.
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
@DesertKing, I don alwayz drin beer, but when I do, I drin Dos Equis.
Stay thirsty my friend.
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I’m actually very excited for Thursday. It would be great if we were especially loud that day
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I think that the LA Kings will keep it up that the Anaheim Ducks are now big Trouble against the kings that the Ducks got 9 of 19 is not looking good for the Ducks with 23 points can the LA Kings will go for a another 2 points win on This Thursday to play good offense and defense like if Jack Johnson and Drew Doughty are really good Defenseman so for the Defenseman lines will be like
Doughty Johnson
Scuderi Greene
Drewiske Martinez and give Voynov a day off rest and use Voynov against at San Jose
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a question i have is sutter’s possible involvement in partnering with dl regarding roster changes…
will he have any more influence in this than perhaps past king’s coaches…?
remember, sutter’s last job with calgary was gm…and an overwhelming majority of public opinion had his reign as the flames gm labeled as disastrous…it would be interesting to see if sutter will any significant contribution in these decisions…
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jess Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
@variable,
Interesting question. My impression is that Lombardi has made roster changes of late geared towards more speed and offense, and therefore it would make sense that he would look for Sutter to model the team’s system towards more of a balance of offense and defense. I believe additional roster changes will be further geared towards scoring more goals per game, and thus the dictation of roster and style will come from Lombardi with the expectation of Sutter to adjust the system style to this.
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
@jess,
trades are so hard to do these days before the deadline…
i would like to think yr right, JESS, regarding any future acquisitions needing to fulfill a speed and skill combo prerequisite…i wonder how much dl will ask of sutter’s assistance in courting possible players who are in the offing…? some interesting dynamics between dl and darryl…
i guess we hope that sutter is not crawford 2.0…marc’s screaming and yelling didn’t seem to work very well with some of the players that are still here since then…
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USHA#17 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
@variable,
They are especially hard when most of what you have to trade is playing like s….errr poorly.
I am excited because he is a coach who will make the players accountable. I think we have seen the last of Loktionov, Sutter is not going tom play a guy who will not get dirty to recover a puck, Loktionov refuses to get physical. I think he knows he is not strong enough to be in there with REAL men. They should trade him for a sack of pucks. I hate players who are afraid of contact.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
@brian spain, On the other hand, Lokti is only 21 and it’s sort of silly to discard every 21 year old in our system that not NHL ready. Besides, he’s obviously never going to be a physical player. Not comparing the two, of course, but Gretzky was deathly afraid of any contact…
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Harty Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, have you guys stood next to Loktionov, he is all of 5’7″ and about 165lbs.
he is small and will bruise or break easily if drilled, he has to skate and play creative as if not look out.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
@Harty, True, but some small players can be pretty tough; the toughest little guy I’d ever seen play was Doug Gilmour. Lokti is no Gilmour, however
USHA#17 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
@BringbackButch
Ever see Theo Fluery play??? The only think Gilmore was good at was playing the Kings and playing with underage girls
McCheese Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, same issue that we have with Moller. Just not enough lbs to hang along the boards or stay on the puck.
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brian spain Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, Gretzky never was touched, if a player touched him the big boys would pound on them. Today’s game, every player is hunted. Players do not respect the stars like they did in the Great ones day. Lokti, may have skill but he is too small.
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Osaka Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
@BringbackButchGoring, But Gretzky could score, what can Lokti do? If you don’t play physical you better put points on the board.
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snbrdsummit Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
@brian spain,
People used to say the same thing about Brian Boyle (big body never hits), Matt Moulson, and Teddy Purcell (You left your Purcell on the bench).
How’d that work out for us?
You must have really hated Gretzky.
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brian spain Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@snbrdsummit, You are not comparing the greatest scorer in history to Loktionov are you. The difference is Lokti doesn’t have much skill, he has been hurt in the minors, I see many times in every game where he could battle for the puck and keep it in the o-zone, but he backs off due to not being physical. He needs to work out or just get in there. But if he does he will get hurt. Theo Fluery was a little guy, but he was a stud and would take on anybody.
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snbrdsummit Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
@brian spain,
Nope. Separate line. Separate point. You made a blanket statement that you hate players who don’t hit. I’m simply responding to that point alone.
flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
@brian spain, Lokti does a lot of good things…Like recovering the puck,very good composure….psichicaly he was #1 last year (BTW) ..at this point it is very unclear who is realy is,also because TM misused this kid by trying to make him a winger.One thing is clear ,he got quality ,need good mentor
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Osaka Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
@flex, He misused him by putting him in the lineup. How many games did he play at wing? How many games at center? How could you use that excuse? Lokti recover pucks? Really? Clifford recovers pucks. Lokti will never be anything but an AHL player. Moller was a better player than Lokti.
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snbrdsummit Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
@Osaka,
AGREE!!! Moller was/is a better player than Lokti. More intensity, better vision, and always in the position to create a scoring opportunity. I miss him.
Assuming Dallas wins the game they have in hand over us, we’re only 7 points behind the division lead. With 49 games left, I believe there is plenty of time to not only make the playoff, but to win the division and secure home ice, for the playoffs first round, maybe two.
Right the ship, Sutter…I don’t care how. Just do it. Do it now!!
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
@Gustavo, Agree.Just do it. How ? simple ,Play 60 minutes intence Hockey ,move the puck as a unit,support each other ,ENJOY THE GAME you play…and eveything would be fine.Stop playing hockey ,that’s create cancer ,play hockey that fights tha cancer.
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Sutter is to “old school” like Murray, but It’s what we got since it’s all about hiring friends and family so I will rally around the team and coach and pray for the 8th playoff spot I suppose.
Umm how many more years can I do this is the real question.
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Hadley Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
@408kingsfan, Moses wandered 40 years in the desert — we are at 45 and counting. Go Kings Go.
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My guess is that Richardson and Lewis are going to benefit the most from Sutter, in that TM was constantly playing with their heads. Honestly, I expect Richardson to score at least 10 goals the rest of the season
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I voted #3.
I know the Calgary team lacked talent and had to play the muck and grind game to compete but San Jose had more talent and DS had them play a more open style with 6 players scoring 20+ goals in 2001-02 season of the “old” pre-lockout days.
I remember many on here believed the Kings had at least 5 and maybe even 6 players capable of being 20+ goal scorers. DS may still be able to coax that out of them – and if that does happen, there will be a lot of high-scoring games from here on out.
As for him being a yeller, I know from my own experience from both sides, coaches tend to yell for 2 reasons…1 is when you are sucking and the coach needs to remind you of that. The other is simply to convey the importance of the message. With the exception of the ’02-03 season in which SJ was suffering elimination hangover, players have generally not quit on DS as he gets the most from his players.
DS preaches defense, but which coach doesn’t. But his offense has always been to hawk for the puck and pound the slot, and that is what the Kings need now! The difference between DS and TM may well be the passion is openly expressed and if the player does right or wrong, that player will know it.
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408kingsfan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, “pound the slot”
ha ha thats funny
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
@408kingsfan,
Well, I know I am a lot happier when I am pounding the slot.
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The one thing I can be sure of is that Sutter would have no problem calling a time out when needed just remind the FSW people in the truck to turn bown the crowd mikes near the bench.
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JWR Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
@JWR,
Turn down the mikes.
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Randy Carlyle is the logical choice. Sutter won’t work with the way the Kings are. They are too soft! Lombardi got rid of the real hard workers like Smyth, Simmons and Handzus who went to the net for the tough goals. Start yelling now Sutter. Maybe Lombardi will go soon.
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KC23 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
@PB Frank, You realize that Ducks management would have to agree to allow the Kings to talk with Carlyle. If you think for one second they would … think again.
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CB14 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
@KC23, I believe they would. If he were to get hired by the Kings, or another team, then the Sucks wouldn’t have to pay him the remaining salary left on his contract.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
@PB Frank, .Hey ,what that ex duck did ,that seems so good….stanley ??? won by niedermaiyer,pronger and jeansebastian Guager(not sure about spelling)..
Dl is not that stuped ..he knows what is missing!!!
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
@PB Frank,
He’s one of my choices. The Ducks are where they are because after they won the Cup, they have gutted the teams talent to finally get out of cap trouble. Took them 5 years, and now they not only don’t have enough talent on the roster, but they have no depth to survive even 1 injury at any position without sinking.
Add to that Hillers not Hiller anymore, and Randy was the scape goat. Different scenario here in LA where they have built up their team for years, and have the depth to absorb many injuries at all positions, with a goalie tandem that is, IMO top 5 in the league.
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I’m really liking how you’ve organized things this year Rich. It’s really easier to see things point by point; I like the polls, and I like the balanced look.
Keep up the good work and tell Sutter we’ll all buy him a beer if he wins his first game.
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Could be a telling sign if Sutter puts Bailey in a headlock at the news conference
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jess Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
@Press Box Scratch, LOL
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30-19-1….
I’m optimistic, but I’m also a realist.
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Rich,
Any news on whether Stevens and/or Kompon will stay on or not?
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408kingsfan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
@Gustavo, Ranford is the one staff member we really need to keep.
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flex Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
@Gustavo, Stevens will stay .at list end of this season.Updated!!
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CB14 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
@Gustavo, Stevens is staying. Not sure about Kompon though.
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I’ll take the odds that the Denver Broncos win the Super Bowl over the Kings making the playoffs. Big overestimation of talent. Kopitar is not an elite player, weak 3rd and 4th line. DL’s plan has fizzled. We’re at least 5 years from contending.
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Mik3ysfv Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
@Bonvivant1, i agree it’s frustrating seeing DL have zero regard for offense and offensive forwards especially. I’d love to see what this line-up could do under a Bylsm a type coach and system. But I remember suffering under Nick Beverly, Roagie, DT, and worst of all Sam McMaster as GMs. The window has barely opened if at all YET. This was a laughingstock organeyezation. No longer. May not be there yet but look at the brightside: Mike Richards/Kopitar in the center, DD, JJ, VV as awesome offensive Dmen, two great NHL caliber #1 goalies, and some damn good young players. I’ll stay the course and say thank you DL. Jury out on Sutter, obviously.
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fsd1 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
@Bonvivant1, I will take that bet! Kopi weak? LMAO, How much?
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Osaka Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
@fsd1, To be fair he said Kopi is not an elite player, AND we have a weak 3rd and 4th line. He never said Kopi was weak.
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
@Osaka, He’s still missguided, even if he didn’t say it.
Osaka Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
@Dominick, Hahaha I don’t agree with him, but I can’t put words in his mouth.
LA_1968 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
@Bonvivant1, My 11 year old throws a tighter spiral than Tebow.
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Anyone catching the Pens n Hawks? Even with a 1-0 lead, the Pens are activating D1 almost all the time, cross ice passes in the O zone, and get this, they try to set up F1,2,or 3 for one-timers. Let alone D’s1&2. Please God, i hope Darryl has been watching what works and comes in and kicksass and instills this type of up-tempo style and attitude. I wish you the best. In case anyone is wondering, I do know DS’s reputation and style. Im not ignorant, just a Kings’ fan who has and always will have hope. GO KINGS!!!!
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LA_1968 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
@Mik3ysfv, Kings were looking for that one timer last night. Ask JJ (from Penner). He’s still mumbling about shanking that one. They were hitting Brown too.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
@Mik3ysfv, You are confusing me with all those letters and numbers. I think the Pens just play with more passion.
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I love you eternal optimists. It warms my bosom. Goodbye Lombardi. Third strike (Coach) rule. Sutter will fail. I guess it’s wait unti next year…again.
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dMan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
@Poorman, Bah-humbug!
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Poorman Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
@dMan, Kings keep losing humbug! Bah Lombardi 6 years humbug!
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Cry Baby Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
@Poorman, Why wait till next year…pick a new team so we don’t have to hear your same drivel over and over!
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jess Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
@Cry Baby,
Thanks man, couldn’t have put it better myself….
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Poorman Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
@Cry Baby, OK, I’ll pretend they’re doing well. Ughh, doesn’t work. Maybe, the Kings can give change GMs, and quit giving us this same losing drivel. They deserve to be scathed. AEG needs to get it together. Too many loyal fans spend too many $ to deserve this. Please let Lombardi go.
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jess Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
@Poorman,
–Or maybe you can get some kind of gig with AEG complaining about stuff. Let us know how that works out for ya…
Cry Baby Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 7:19 am
@Poorman, Sure you can have your opinion it just gets boring when you say the exact same thing time and time again. So I repeat myself. If you don’t like the Kings start watching the Rangers or something. If you don’t like the kings don’t spend your money at a game or on a jersey. And most of all if you don’t like the Kings then don’t come here and troll this site.
LA_1968 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
@Poorman, You got to admit DL is sticking to his guns. If he picked someone unproven or gimmicky it wouldn’t be him. Just as importantly, he know’s he can afford someone that risky. His choice proves that he knows he’s put up or shut up. Personally, I have faith in the DL doctrine. Tell me you don’t want to find that motivational speaker that McNall brought in. That was the only option left with TM as coach.
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LA_1968 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
@LA_1968, “can’t afford”
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Michael J. Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
@Poorman,
Thanks for the fresh take.
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Poorman Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
@Michael J., I wish I could have one. They just keep losing. If the Kings start winning, that would be fresh. It ain’t gonna happen until Lombardi is given his pink slip. But keep drinking that Koolaid. I say scoreboard.
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Michael J. Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:49 am
@Poorman,
Trust me dude, we all wish you could have a fresh take. I don’t know, maybe by weaving a little thought into your criticism rather than repeating the same old mantras and platitudes might be a good start. Plenty of people are tired of DL and were tired of TM. Some actually have something worth saying that adds to the conversation in a constructive matter. Some continue in their junior high level vitriol.
Osaka Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
@Poorman, Just a tad arrogant aren’t we? You know more about hockey then DL and Sutter?
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Poorman Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
@Osaka, You guys amaze me. Look at the Kings record this year. Open your eyes everybody. If the Kings were doing well, we wouldn’t be talking about this. I say it as it is. They are a major disappointment.
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Cortex949 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@Poorman, Yea I know… Why can’t they just go from a laughable team to chapms who don’t have any slumps in a few seasons? First it’s just as simple as firing the coach. Now it’s firing the gm. Hey why don’t we fire the new coach before he even sets foot in staples? Winning is just as simple as putting the rigt people together, the right coach and the right gm then it happens automatically.. Its not like there is another team playing against us every night or anything. And wow, we are such a terrible team and have sucked so much there is no way we can climb our way out of a 3 game hole into first. After all we only have 60% of a season left…
Osaka Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
@Poorman, If we had the perfect coach, perfect GM, and the perfect team of players we would still lose games dude. This is the NHL. Parity is strong. Does the same team win every year? The 80′s are over, no more hockey dynasties. Pick a team with the most talent, how many cups have they won in the last 8 years? Not more than one. The last 8 cup winners have all been different teams. The point is the very best teams in the league have a very hard time winning the cup. If everything is perfect it is no guarantee. We are not there yet but it is coming, just a bump on the road. Every cup winner goes through that also.
I get it, you want a playoff round victory, well wait til after the playoffs before you pack it in.
seriously…
would it kill this team to start to cycle the puck again and try to improve on our puck possession…?
that’s the biggest change i would like to see because that gets players into the slot faster than shot mentality…
slot mentality wins every time…and one way of making this happen is to get back to basics with an effective cycle…
it may be boring to some, but i believe it will pay huge dividends for us if we start to employ this philosophy as the priority in the weeks to come…
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Canadian King Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
@variable, Agreed, we have such a big team that it only makes sense to drive the net and use our size in the slot and along the boards cycling the puck.
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408kingsfan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
@variable, I saw a huge improvement in our cycle play against Toronto, in fact there were stretches when I thought Zues, Frolov, and Simmonds were on the ice.
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
@408kingsfan,
we definitely did that vs. toronto…
but it has been mostly absent this season so far…
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Cry Baby Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
@variable, Scoring goals is never boring!
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
@Cry Baby,
yep yep…
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I guarantee that Cliffords game increases ten fold once Sutter gets him driving to the net with his size. Hopefully he can do the same for Kopi, Penner, Brown and well anyone with size I guess.
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@brian spain,
Your right, thats been missing for a while.
Another problem is the defense is getting beaten and is missin their cover. In fact the whole team is blowing defensive coverage.
Did you note how many time two defenders skated to cover one Leaf…happened over and over. If the Leafs weren’t slumping they should have routed the Kings.
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What I don’t understand why are we questioning rather Sutter will be good or bad for our team. Don’t we all want the club to win their next game. I’m just looking forward to the Ducks first. Win or lose one game will not tell us how Sutter will do. It’s going to take 10 -15 games. We need towin now. We have got to dig out of this hole and win some hockey games. I.m glad we have a coach who has been behind a bench and knows how to manage players. It won’t take us long to get back on track, but the other side of the cion says we can dig deeper just as fast. Let us all keep the faith. We need to back our players and root for our coaches. Even if Jamie is still around. A person said earlier, ” Jamie may be a better PP coach under Sutter.” Made me stop and think, that he may be right. Let freedom reign. Release our goal scorers. Bring glory to the Kingdom!!!
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Steve W Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
@King Charles of Salt Lake, According to the updated coaching staff directory on LAK.com, Jaime is there, along with Derryl, John and Bill. That could change, since Sutter can hire his own people
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Steve W Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
@Steve W, *Darryl.
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King Charles of Salt Lake Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
@Steve W, Like I said It bothers me that JK is still on the bench, but if we win it would be a good thing.
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Cry Baby Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
@Steve W, Hopefully Sutter has the same expectations of his assistant coaches as he does of his players!
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Kenny44 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
@Steve W, Sutter’s “own people” really are his own people. Four of his bros worked with him in Calgary.
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Scootty Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
@King Charles of Salt Lake, Hopefully with Kompon still there, it’s just so the Kings can say, “Hey, look, we still have 3 coaches behind the bench. Sure the one on the right, you’re left, does nothing, but we still have 3.”.
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Give us 40 more games like last nights and everything will be just fine!
Sometimes you just need a change in attitude and Sutter will certainly bring that.
How appropriate the era of Sutter begins against the Ducks. Good hunting!
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I like what Barry Melrose had to say about the Sutter signing, I hope he is right. I want to see a hard working scrappy team. I don’t care how they win. I’ll take ugly goals GLADLY.
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Osaka Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
@M.T. Netter, Ugly goals count the same as the pretty ones.
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In consideration of Sutter’s new tenure, the elements of said contract should be examined from a common sense stanpoint. If say, DL was to set perimeters with regard to coaching staff etc.. Then all language and agreements are almost moot, unless of course Sutter were to agree to existing standards and staff. But this is highly unlikely, as there would be a carryover from the old to the new and thus a lack of accountability. Contractually speaking, the new coach would likely be given total control of staff and choice of team captain otherwise liability can simply be shifted by Sutter back to existing management and it’s previous standards. Sutter will either have to agree to the value of retention of any existing elements in writing or the entire contract is not worth the paper it is written on. This tells me that we will most likely see big changes and hopefully for the better.
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jess Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
@jess, P.S.-But please keep Ranford!!
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408kingsfan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
@jess, Yeah Ranford needs to stay put
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Just as a reminder: Don’t forget to vote for Quick in the All Star Balloting.
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Of course we are all armchair GM’s, that is why we are here, but the conviction some have about being so sure Sutter will fail makes me believe he might be the right pick. If you have ever followed professional sports for any amount of time you do realize things never work out the way most would think they will.
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wes Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
@Osaka, i vote for you being right. what else can an old Kings fan do?
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
@Osaka, Hope that’s the case. I saw a movie with Richard Dryfus once where he was trying to pick a horse race. He started asking strangers who they liked, and as soon as they picked someone, he crossed them off the list.
I would like to think that going against conventional wisdom is going to help us here, but until I see how the boys are playing under the new system, and if Sutter can make the transition smoothly in a very limited time frame, I have my doubts that we’re picking the best option.
We already have a defense first system, and can’t score goals. Hiring a defense first coach to replace the one we had isn’t the choice I would have made, that’s for sure.
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Osaka Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 5:32 am
@Dominick, If picking a winner was easy you could just go to Vegas and invest instead of gamble.
The Kings are 30th in offense, the most defensive coach could get more out of the team.
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Hard to feel good about this. Darryl Sutter’s coaching program was to play a shut-down game. This season’s Kings have played that game very well (generally one of the top 3-5 in goals against) and have a hard time winning anyway.
This isn’t the pre-lockout NHL anymore. It’s one thing to see that the Kings must re-invent their game, but now they’ve got a coach that’ll have to re-invent his vision of coaching successfully.
Rats. The past summer held so much promise for this team. The non-health of Parse was a bigger blow than most observers know, but given the personnel on defense and in goal, the offensive quiver should be more than adequate. This team needs to attack more successfully, not defend better. Sound like a recipe for Darryl Sutter?
You know the answer.
It’s NO.
Prove me wrong, Mr Sutter.
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Scootty Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
@wes, Seeing as Sutter led the Flames to a divisional title AFTER the lockout, with a far less talented team than what the Kings have now, I think he’ll do just fine.
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wes Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
@Scootty, well, i hope you are right. as far as that divisional title you speak of is concerned, the Northwest wasn’t especially strong in 05-06, there certainly weren’t any San Jose Sharks in it. and the Flames fought hard in the first round, but to no avail. Murray took this team as far as first round exits. it didn’t feel like success. so it’s a hard sell to see that first round exit as being a good season.
but i HOPE you’re right.
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wes Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
@wes, an addendum re. the ’05-06 post season: Edmonton, as an eight seed, had a nice run to game 7 of the finals that spring. not a best case scenario for Sutter’s Calgary squad by any means, but i’d take that over the Flames/Sutter divisional title everyday. wining a divisional title is nice (Kings have only done it once in nearly half a century!) but an eight seed far outlasting a divisional winner is — c’mon, just give LAK fans some of that!
DEH Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
@wes, Puck possession and net presence will win in today’s NHL. Look at Detroit, that’s how they do it. I would call a Detroit a defense first club, they seem to have no problem with that philosophy. By attack better if you mean better net presence, then Sutter will bring that, it’s one of his stress points. I don’t think shoot and pray ever worked since goalies started wearing masks. He’s a clean the garbage kinda coach were TM was about winning the board battle. True both are defense first, but they have different approaches.
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Just watch this video and notice how most of the Flames goals are scored. By players going to the net. No more dot-to-board. They get the puck to the net and the 3 forwards attack the net. The way you’re suppose to score goals. Murray’s system was all about low percentage shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inL5yn3GaFA
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johnjuan Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
@Scootty,
Yup!
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how many blog rules will Sutter break in his first month?? Will an interview with Sutter not make it on this blog due to bad language???
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DEH Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
@neil, First interview after a win:
That was a @#$$ @#$#@ @$#@ @$# #@$@$ #@%@% game. The $#@ #$@ #@$ @$#. I @#$ @$#@ %.
First interview after a lose
The @#@ @#$@# %#@%@ @#%@ @#%@ @#$ %#@% @%#@ %@%# @#$#@. @#$ @#$@# @#%@ @#$ @#$. @#@$ @#%#@ @#%@#!!!! $$#@@!@#!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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neil Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
@DEH, What Do I think of the Kings performance tonight???….LOL DEH !!!!!!
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
@neil,
Rich will have to break his own rules and substitute symbols for letters, or cut out 7 minutes of an 9 minute interview. Maybe now HBO will do a 24/7 on the Kings since we fit the criteria now.
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DEH Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
@Dominick, I’m thinking of the second Muhammad episode of South Park, he’ll bleep the whole moral of the story.
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CB14 Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
@neil, Look at it again, it says, “rules for blog commenting”. Rich is free to write whatever he wants without breaking the rules, which is good because there’s going to be alot of curse words coming from Sutter’s mouth.
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I liked the way the kings are starting to play now.
I hope we dont get bogged down with another “structure” stay at home on D philosophy. That wont work . I hope he gets us playing aggressive down hill hockey like we opened the season with and showed a lot of against Toronto. At least we will have fun watching again.
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DEH Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
@johnjuan, The team’s down fall was when TM tried to create offense instead of sticking to his game plan. In doing so the game sped up, they made mistakes and soon found themselves behind. The problems started when they tried to deviate from the defense first philosophy without an actual plan of attack. Now if Sutter would bring a offensive specialist to run the PP then we should be money, basically what should’ve happened before TM was fired.
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
@DEH,
Sorry but I totally disagree. TM never deviated from his game plan (even during games when it was apperent that teams had the Kings figured out). TM’s plan was always to slow down the oposition along the boards in both the offensive, and defensive zones, and not let the other team build up speed. That is a core belief in how his system works, and his system depended on it.
He started out the season trying to create more cross ice passing through the dots (as evidence in the first 12 goals of the season all came off of cross ice passes), but abandoned that plan when the Kings were still not scoring enough.
Problem was that he concentrated even more on defense because defense was winning us games, and the offense wasn’t. So the more he tightened down on defense, the less we scored. He tried to add more shots (shot mentality) as if that would improve the production even more, but the Kings were just firing on net from anywhere, and still not penetrating the areas that goals are scored from.
Worse, because they were firing on goal from bad angles, they were spending all their time trying to recover the puck.
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 12:26 am
@Dominick,
This!
Anybody have 2 tix for Mon. 12/26 game? Let me know. jwlindsey@gmail.com Thanks
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jeff Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 1:26 am
@Happy Lappy, Try Ticket Exchange.
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Sutter’s Pregame speach:
“okay guys, we’re playing the bleep bleep bleep bleep smelly bleep bleep bleep. Now I want you to bleep bleep up or as bleep is my witness I’ll bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep, that means you too bleep bleep doughty. Since you’re the highest paid bleep bleep on this bleep bleep team you will owe one bleep bleep million bleep dollars for every bleep bleep bleep goal they bleep score. And Williams! If you score 2 bleep bleep goals I’m going to buy you a bleep bleep shakeweight so you can bleep quit playing with your bleep bleep. And Lokti, in Soviet bleep Russia, they don’t score on you, you bleep bleep score on them! Now bleep bleep bleep!!”
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here’s a look at the nhl’s third-line center production…
enjoy…(!)
(or maybe not…all-things-considered…)
http://deepinsidethekings.com/2011/12/nhl-third-line-center-production-at-a-glance-less-bang-for-kings-bucks/
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wes Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
@variable, ouch.
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
@wes,
yep…depressing…(!)
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DL – Hey Darryl, c’mon, smile
DS – why?
DL – You got the job, your the coach of the LA Kings
DS – yea great. really great. you gave me a team that can’t score.
DL – Right but you can change that, right?
DS – sure, but we have too stay on defense.
DL – But what about generating more offense?
DS – yea, right, uh, we will utilize a “shot mentality.”
DL – Wait a minute, I’ve heard that before.
DS – yep, it worked years ago. you combine it with shots from the point and look for rebounds.
DL – I’ve heard that before too.
DS – it is a common offense, kind of predictable, but with a little luck it works.
DL – Wait a minute, that was TM’s strategy!
DS – well, what do you want from a defensive coach?
DL – I need some passion, some offense. No smiling, no offense, what are you going to give me?
DS – HOW ABOUT SOME SERIOUS $%^&&*&## YELLING and a really funny face on the Staples bubble vision.
DL –
DS –
TM –
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variable Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
@DesertKing,
he could have stayed on the farm and continue to curse at his flock…
“why won’t you cattle march to the gallows with !*&%#! authority…?!”
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I am so sick and tired of hearing about today’s players. Because they make millions of dollars they can’t be yelled at? What a crock of crap. Because they make that kind of cash, I expect them to put up with even more! What? Only people who make a low income should have to put up with strict discipline? Today’s players are loseing touch with regular people, and that is a big turn off. Why would a regular guy want to spent over $100 on a ticket to support a bunch of babies, who call themselves men,when they think they are above it all because they get paid millions to play a stinken game for a living? Boo fu@#^$ hoo! Lombardi and Sutter need more time than the rest of the season, before any judgement can be made. Give Sutter 3 seasons, after all this is the guy Lombardi wanted from the start, not Murray. I love this team, but if they don’t suck it up and act like great soldiers marching to their General’s beat, I will lose respect for them. With that being said, GO KINGS! Take care of business, and think about hoisting that CUP up, and know that when doing so, you will be happy to have bought in to the system of a real leader who puts his boys in place.
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Dominick Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
@vitaman, Crawford was the same type. Glad we didn’t give him 3 years.
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vitaman Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 12:04 am
@Dominick, Had Crawford made the playoffs 10 out of 11 seasons?
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Dominick Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 12:28 am
@vitaman, Had Sutter ever won a Stanley Cup? How many times out of those 10 years did he lose out in the first round?
Tell ya the truth, If I had my way, neither of them would of coached the Kings. Hope I’m wrong about Sutter, but in my book, yelling doesn’t automatically give him legitimacy.
Osaka Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 5:14 am
@Dominick, Crawford won a cup. He might not have been the right coach at the right time for LA, but his record needs no defense.
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scootty Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:29 am
@Osaka, That’s kind of a easy thing to do when you have Sakic, Forsberg, Kamensky, Deadmarsh, Ozolinsh, Young, Roy, Lemieux, etc., etc. playing on the team you coach.
The last time the kings scored three goals was ONE MONTH ago.
Wow.
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jonsey Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:33 am
@@spencerlakings, :’(
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jonsey Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:33 am
@jonsey,
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I believe things will improve with Sutter as coach. The team needs a coach like this to sharpen them up.
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It WILL work IF Sutter knows how to re-instill CREATIVITY with these guys as far as SKATING into an OPEN lane. Too many times the kings are an “east to west” team. They need to put some “north to south” or “SE to NW” into their skating mentality.
Please try and acquire Magnus Pajaarvi from the Oils. He can the creativity in skating going for these players.
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rogiesbackup Reply:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
**he can inspire other team members to be creative in their skating**
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Osaka Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 12:02 am
@rogiesbackup, Magnus in 25 games has 3 pts. all assist. Why would the Kings wan him? Because he can skate? He has 3 pts! Great skating is useless if you can’t play hockey.
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The way it to work for Sutter— at-least when it comes to “YELLING” would hopefully be in a constructive way and not as a loose cannon way. His playing style I agree with, but don’t be a Terry Murray and think ONLY DEFENSE. Sure defense wins games, but in order to win games, too, you gotta score. So I hope he brings an awesome offensive strategy to the game. Also, Jamie Kompon needs to go to if anybody else does in order to get this surf board on the right wave.
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Well it seems like we all over-estimated this team…We thought the Kings improved their line up over last year and for some reason that would assure us a cup run this year…what we all didn’t count on was a lack of work ethic from the majority of the team
See,…that’s just it…no work ethic…something I think Sutter will have an easier time identifying then TM did
And also, it will be easier for Sutter to call out the guilty party(s) when he sees it…creating competition amongst the players
Healthy, or unhealthy competition is good…necessary for team success
A lot of us had grown tired of TM s passionless portrail of another listless effort by the Kings…lets hope that Sutter restores some of that passion and rights this ship before it sinks
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For some interesting perspective on the matter, here is a Q & A with DD8: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/12/19/unplugged-kings-drew-doughty-expects-a-lot-of-yelling-from-darryl-sutter/
And here is Puck Daddy on Sutter in LA. http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Darryl-Sutter-Coach-Kings-deserve-but-not-the-;_ylt=A2KJjbx7c_FOXVEAQBJNbK5_;_ylu=X3oDMTBmYnBhcGw4BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA3NwMg–?urn=nhl-wp20356
After the emotional roller coaster of the last week, i am starting to hope again and pinning my hopes on the utter annihilation of the Ducks Thursday.
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For everyone who bagged on Murray for his interviews I hope you enjoy Sutter. Forget about the yelling, that is blown out of proportion, just listen to him speak. Your going to say WTF! Sort of like Stallone except Stallone is a linguist next to Sutter.
I’m not knock’n him as a coach, I love defense minded coaches and I love country tough. I admire cowboys and hockey players but I’m just saying. I can hear it already.
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Kenny44 Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 12:42 am
@Osaka, You’re right on, here. This time, it’s Rooster Cogburn coming to LeBouef’s home town. Let’s see if Suttr can hold onto his True Grit and not go totally mad
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With like 20 Sutters that have ties with the NHL, will he be the first Sutter for the Kings?
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chip Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 12:40 am
@Who Knows?, Weren’t there entire industries of Sutters shoveling coal for Frank Zamboni and his brother, in the pits of Mordor, long ago when sticks were made of wood?
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“Sutter has never coached a team which lifted the cup.’ Out of 30 NHL teams, EIGHT coaches have ONE cup each. No active coach has more than one. Five of the eight are still with the team that won the cup. Two of the eight won their cup 14-15 years ago. Get the picture? Cup winning coaches are uncommon. Don’t bash Sutter as a coach, he was one video goal review away from Lord Stanley & a place in a very prestigious group. Report this comment!”
Thought it was a good comment.
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Lou Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 3:52 am
@Subby, lol. Amen to that
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RobSD Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:35 am
@Subby,
That is a well thought out logical post. Why would anyone listen to that???
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I see no reason to bash a guy we all know nothing about.
I can’t tell u whether he’ll succeed or fail..in the end that will be determined by the players….
Hopefully he comes in with the right attitude and gets the players to buy into his way of coaching quickly. There is no honeymoon period for Sutter. This is a playoff team and it needs to play its best hockey the rest of the way.
I’m obviously a huge TM fan and thought he could lead us out of the funk, but the change has been made and Sutter is our new coach.
We all need to support him and the team the rest of the way.
whatever happens we can debate the merits of the hiring after the season, but right now it’s all about the points every night.
Good luck coach and :
GO KINGS!
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Dan Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 6:41 am
@nykingfan, I know Sutter and he will get the team to play hard in the begining and they will win and win a lot this year. If they don’t win the Cup this year then Sutter and the players will hate each other by this time next year. He is a mean man and that will only last so long. Look for the Kings to have a long winning streak this year. I pray to God they win it all this year and then after that who cares what happens. 1 Cup and I will be a happy man.
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nykingfan Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 7:32 am
@Dan,
LOL iagree…they can hate him after they win the cup.
This seems like a short term solution, which is strange because you would think it’ll be DL’s final coaching call….unless they win it all!
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RobSD Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:33 am
@nykingfan,
I doubt they would hate a guy that would lead them to a stanley cup after this debacle. He’s mean to an end… or there is a method to the meanness.
I like the Sutter hiring in as much as I believe he will be able to get the Kings to another level in the playoffs. To me there are different types of coaches. There are “gentle teachers” who are good for young teams learning how to win, and that’s what Terry Murray was. And there are “stern taskmasters” who then take those teams and drive them with a bit of a proverbial whip to greater success. Where I question the Sutter hiring is his track record. His history as a head coach in terms of playoff success is very similar to Terry Murray. But maybe this will be the right team for Sutter to achieve what he didn’t achieve at his former jobs, winning a Stanley Cup. I certainly hope so.
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What if Sutter has changed?? decided that yelling isnt the answer?? He’s become a more mellow coach??
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@Cry Baby and everyone else criticizing me. 1st, I am not the problem with the Kings. Wish I was; then I would correct nyself so the team could be corrected. 2nd, you say I keep saying the same thing over and over and over on Rich’s Blog. My answer is I wish I did’t have to say the same thing over and over and over, but you have a GM Lombardi who gets to keep his job and make the same coaching pick mistakes over and over and over for six solid years over and over and over. 3rd, you say I should get another team to root for? Incredible! As opposed to what? As a fan, I have a right to complain about the Kings consistent losing and underperforming over and over and over. The Darryl Sutter pick as Coach is nothing more than another TM, but this time angrier. Plus, this previously unsuccessful retread coach as not been in the NHL coaching since 2006! I sincerely wish I was wrong about this new coach and this awful GM, but I’m not. And @Cry Baby, do me a favor and “cry” at the Kings dismal performance, not me.
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fsd1 Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:33 am
@Poorman, There is a rule about posting the same thing over and over ad naseum, everyone here knows you dont like DL. So stop telling us every chance you get and follow the rules of the blog. Dl will be here for at least the rest of this season so could you hold your rants that we tire of until next year IF DL is still with the team? it is really a pretty simple request. As you just did above….
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Poorman Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:42 am
@fsd1, No, the Kings just announced a coaching change, and the entire media is discussing this, but if Rich wants to delete me, then I’ll go away and you can discuss strategy or whatever. Fair enough?
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fsd1 Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:46 am
@Poorman, Saying Dl sucks and should be fired is not in my mind a discussion of “strategy” and the announcement happened many many days ago and you have non stop expressed the same opinion. So until that changes you really have nothing else to say right?
Rich Hammond Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:47 am
This call all stop right now, thanks. Going nowhere, fast.
fsd1 Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:50 am
@Rich Hammond Will do sir, thanks
vplaza Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:48 am
@Poorman,
So, you KNOW that Sutter is just another TM, only angrier? You KNOW that this is the wrong coach even though he hasn’t coached a practice session yet?
And since you KNOW this, perhaps you also KNOW who they should have picked? Or better yet, who should be the new GM for the Kings?
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there’s a point where your passion makes you think that your opinion is fact. That’s MHO.
I don’t know enough about Sutter to say whether or not this is going to work. I believe that he has an uphill battle given the hole the Kings have dug. I also believe that this is going to determine whether or not DL is here next season. So, you may just get your wish.
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Michael J. Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:56 am
@Poorman,
Stirrin’ the pot!
Since we all are well aware that DL is the biggest jack ass this side of Mike Milbury, please enlighten us as to whom he should have hired instead of old “bitter beer face”?
Then, lets take it a step further: Who should have Lieweke have hired to be the GM back when he hired Lombardi.
Finally, who should have Anschutz have hired when he should have fired Lieweke?
Anyone can bitch and moan. Not everyone can come up with viable, successful solutions to tough challenges.
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nykingfan Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:45 am
@Poorman,
One thing I don’t understand is how you think he’s hired the wrong coach for the past 6 years.
Crawford was the only mistake I can think of and he rectified that by Hiring Murray.
You may not have liked Murray, but his record speaks for itself. He’s the most successful coach in Franchise history. His style may not have been the most exciting, but it worked for a while.
Does success only mean winning a Stanley Cup? If that’s the case, than 29 other GM’s should also be looking for a new gig.
If success is improving the team every year, well that’s what has happened for the past 5 years. We’ve gone from a doormat to a contender during this time.
Now we’ve reached a point where most everyone, including the GM, felt a coaching change was in order.
The Jury’s still out on whether this will be a successful tenure for Sutter, but you can’t dismiss the signing as another mistake without at least allowing Sutter to coach the team first.
Let the results stand for themselves. If we don’t make the playoffs, there’s a good chance that Lombardi won’t be back. I hope that’s not the case, but that’s certainly a possibility.
I think you’re putting the cart before the horse right now. the season’s 82 games long. We haven’t reached the midway point…nobody’s been eliminated yet.
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Every single situation is different. A record doesn’t necessarily mean anything. All the right amount of ingredients and luck have to be mixed together. Just because someone has a good track record and has won a cup doesn’t mean it will happen again. Just because someone has never won a cup doesn’t mean it won’t happen. They say this is the toughest trophy to win in professional sports. Lets give it a few games before we hang him.
I think this is exactly what the boys need. A fire lit under their butts.
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He’s a winner, he’ll make the team work. The problem is that his brand of hockey is SO boring, will anyone show up to watch???
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Weasel Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:43 am
@Chuck,
Winning fixes everything. If he wins the Kings will sell out. After 4 decades I doubt there are many fair weather fans around (maybe a handful who got caught up in 93).
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Weasel Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:43 am
@Chuck,
Winning fixes everything. If he wins the Kings will sell out. After 4 decades I doubt there are many fair weather fans around (maybe a handful who got caught up in 93).
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Weasel Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:43 am
@Chuck,
Winning fixes everything. If he wins the Kings will sell out. After 4 decades I doubt there are many fair weather fans around (maybe a handful who got caught up in 93).
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fsd1 Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:53 am
@Weasel, you can say that again!
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vplaza Reply:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:42 am
@Chuck,
I’ll watch boring hockey if that means the Kings are winning games.
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Hey Kings fans!!! Well it’s safe to say that we are all big Kings fans, otherwise someone must have a very boring life to want to read about “our” situation. I’ve read everybody’s comments and people get very analytical about “our” Kings team that we love so much. What I’ve started to do is just take a step back and look at the big picture. Can we just get all nervous/anxious and worry about not making the playoffs this season? Yes Would that not be the biggest disappointment ever? Yes But in the big picture, we are only 3 lousy points from a playoff spot and a lousy 5 points from 1st place in the division….with 48 games left to play at that. It’s a long season and I don’t see us playing much worse (that’s the great news). So lets just look forward and put some trust in “our” team and our new head coach. Go Kings Go forever and regardless!!!
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