Friday practice; Moreau on waivers

Posted by Rich Hammond on 9 December 2011, 11:43 am

The Kings are on the ice for practice, but without Ethan Moreau, who was placed on waivers this morning. Moreau also did not play in the third period last night. Otherwise, the top two lines are the same and Willie Mitchell is once again a full participant in practice. Moreau’s presumed removal from the roster tomorrow — teams will have until 9 a.m. Pacific time to put in claims — would clear up a roster spot for Mitchell. More updates to come…

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Stuart says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:46 am

My heart almost doens’t care anymore at this point… I don’t remember feeling this deflated in a while…probably since our lossing streaks last season. So I guess it hasn’t been that long UGH!

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StillKingly Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@Stuart, Your right, last night was the first game of the season where I didnt get mad, I just laughed. I have no expectations anymore for this horrible team

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bonvivant1 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@StillKingly, I was of the same mindset.

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Mars Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
@bonvivant1, Even worse, I didn’t even watch they game, just played some MW3

PRMan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
@bonvivant1, I forced myself to finish it. It was similar to the Dan Quinn days…

rontheking Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
@Stuart,

I wonder if this isn’t a message to the team as a whole to wake up and start playing with some intensity and urgency from the first drop of the puck. This team needs some real leadership–somebody needs to step up and inspire. It seems like the absence of Richards created a huge vacuum….

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BobsYourUncle Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@rontheking, Green should sit, he is slow and takes bad penalties…

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bubbaganoush Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
@Stuart,
Ha… a message. Have you seen him on the ice ? He looks like Wilsie only he takes bad penalties and is out of position.

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LA_1968 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
@Stuart, This solves the roster problem for Willie BUT who will be the odd man out of our defensemen tomorrow? Voynov? VERY TOUGH CALL if you consider that you can’t lose your job because of injury.

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Brownkingsfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
@LA_1968, TM has already proved himself a liar with the “going with the hot hand in goal” thing. I wouldn’t put it past him to sit Marty. Voynov is our best defenseman so far this year. Depth is a good but hard problem.

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LA_1968 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
@Brownkingsfan, Totally agree about Voynov but I wouldn’t call TM a liar. If TM is going to follow the hot hand system then that strongly implies that when the goalie has a bad game he’ll be out. Otherwise how does that other guy ever get in there. It would seem Bernier starts Saturday.

Stuart Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
@LA_1968, and I posted earlier I think it’s time for JB to play the next 3 in a row, at least…

Stuart Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@LA_1968, I can actually see Greener sitting a game or two… from my seat, he wasnt up to speed last night.

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LA_1968 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
@Stuart, Maybe so. Someone will have to sit. It shouldn’t be Voynov because he scores and play good D. TM has to find the weakest link somehow. Someone will not be happy. Martinez did make that terrible turnover last night when he just had to look around.

HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
@Stuart, Who was?

Stuart Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
@Hockey…, Greene. But it could’ve been just the few times that I looked hard… I’ll watch the game from my couch and see if it was any different…

Mik3ysfv Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
@Stuart, JB for three, here here! Nothing against Quick. He’s been MVP. Just that JB needs to play. He’s great, too.

rudedogg Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@LA_1968, not a tough call at all, Martinez made a very nice pass to the opponent right in the slot, he can thank Quicks glove and the post for saving his ass. Send Drewiske down he is such a waste of a roster spot.

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DanFan says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:47 am

If they waived Moreau, does that mean Richards is healthy?

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B-MEL Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:48 am
@DanFan, Nope, this make room for Mitchell to come back

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BobsYourUncle Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@B-MEL, Mitchell was not on the IR, so that is not the issue…

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PCloadletter Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Mitchell was put on IR when Martinez was taken off. That is why they had to clear a roster spot.

DanFan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:48 am
@DanFan, I should probably read the post first, lol.

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Marc Nathan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:53 am
@DanFan, No, it means that someone woke up and finally realized that this guy was a complete waste of a roster space… something MOST people who know anything about hockey realized about 10 minutes after they signed him. Ridonkulous Lombardi doubletalk speak about veteran leadership in the locker room.

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TD Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
@Marc Nathan, more than Hunter? And don’t say, well he scored last night! He’s terrible and the one who they should’ve wavied!

Marc Nathan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
@TD, read my rant below. Both of them… believe me… I get Heinze, Rasmussen and Eloranta chills just THINKING about those two signings.

kovalking96 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
@Marc Nathan,
Sorry but Moreau has done more then Lewis and Richardson so far. Richardson plays hard every shift but Lewis has been a waste of space for 2 years now. I honestly can’t remember the last time he scored or did anything that made me say I am glad he was a king. Moreau at least hit and got in guys faces, and has at least scored this season. Moreau is a solid veteran guy that the kings lack on offense. It’s about time they did something but they did it with the wrong guy in my opinion.l

Play2Win Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
@Marc Nathan, Marc I’m sure your post was meant at an attempt of humor because Dean Lombardi is the best thing to happen to the Kings in 30+ years. I’ve been following them since the late 70′s and I’ve had to endure some really, really bad teams, coaches, GM’s (yes Dave Taylor you SUCKED as GM) and players. Our team used to have 3rd and 4th liners that had NO business of playing in the NHL. Dean has brought this team to respectability and more importantly accountability. So I really take it personal when someone bashes Dean and what he has brought to the Kings. My advise is to relax, realize it’s a LONG season and hope that the end of the season comes with a Stanley Cup. Also, drink some damn Kool-Aid man and chill!!

Telos Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
@DanFan, It could mean the opposite, to keep Loktionov around as a replacement. It could also mean to keep Voynov around, or it could mean that you are right and they are preparing for when they re-activate Richards Who knows… I wouldn’t read into it until the truth comes out.

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kovalking96 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
@Telos,
Loki needs to be sent down, he has done nothing since his call up and doesn’t fit in on the 3rd and 4th line.

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Mik3ysfv Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
@kovalking96, he does what he’s allowed to do. Were he allowed to create and ad-lib, he would. He doesn’t cuz he knows he’ll be benched if the slightest thing goes wrong. Theats culture. Were it acceptible, all forwards would be creative. However, the F2 still hesitates, and the F3 is a third defenseman. Thats system/culture issues plain and simple. Can anyone name the last time F3dipped below the offensive face-off dots, trailing by two goals, without SWITCHING with F2?
BenCan says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:48 am

About time! Hunter should be next.

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Crownme87 says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:49 am

Interesting move.

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Hockey & Rocky Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
@Crownme87, I agree. Is there a trade in the works?

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KC23 says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:49 am

At least there is some sanity somewhere. It was clear that Moreau was not working out, but the King’s organization gave him a fair shot.

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Scot Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:56 am
@KC23,

Yup. This was the right decision.

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T says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:50 am

Put the whole team on waivers.

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fsd1 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:55 am
@T, Yes, that would be the right solution.

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Samantha Krieger Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:57 am
@T, except for Penner and Cliffy

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DesertKing Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
@Samantha Krieger,

And the equipment guy. The team always looks sharp on the ice.

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Duckbasher Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@DesertKing, They should put whoever sharpens Brown’s skates on waivers too.

Whodawat Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@DesertKing, the medical trainer seems pretty good too. I like his compete level and he plays a heavy game. From dots to boards, there’s simply none better. He needs to have more of a shot mentality though… thats what I’d like to see him improve on.

HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
@Samantha Krieger, When’s the last time Clifford has done anything to turn this stuff around? Zilch, just like and I hate to say it, Brown, Greene, Loktionov, Lewis, Doughty and I probably missed another one or two.

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bubbaganoush Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
@HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration,
I would love to see Brown traded….. In the minority, but he is the most frustrating player to watch the last few seasons.

Mr. Hockey Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
@T, Put you on waivers as a fan… probably won’t get picked up though…

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T Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
@Mr. Hockey, I’ll put the [/sarcasm] tag after my next post. I was kidding, you silly goose. Although after last night I’m surprised my TV is still in one piece.

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Marc Nathan says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:50 am

REDEMPTION!!!! I’m sorry for Ethan Moreau, the person… but for Marc Nathan, the long suffering Kings fan, we are 50% there… Trent Hunter, you’re next sucker You got your 100th NHL goal, GO OUT ON A HIGH NOTE and stop making me re-live all the crappy retread Kings of the past 40 years. You’re impeding the progress of a team that has grown together.

I TOLD YA SO Buh-bye Moreau…

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jdm77 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:55 am
@Marc Nathan,
I agree with you. I’m constantly frustrated with Moreau and Hunter’s playing time. They just don’t have anything left. I would much rather have Richardson play in their places and/or give someone in Manchester a chance- like Cliche or Jordan Nolan (watch him at hiockeyfights.com, the dude kick arse).

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Marc Nathan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
@jdm77, I wore my Jordan Nolan jersey to the game last night. Unfortunately, after a loss, I try not to repeat for a month… Lots of jersey recycling this year.

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Harty Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@Marc Nathan, say hello to Jordan from Harty, relative.

KC23 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
@Marc Nathan, I agree that it was worth a look at Hunter and Moreau, but enough is enough.

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DesertKing Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
@Marc Nathan,

Don’t hold back Marc, tell us how you really feel

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Marc Nathan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
@DesertKing, I’d rather see Esa Pirnes back.

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Kingsfanone Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
@Marc Nathan,

Uh………no you wouldn’t!

Marc Nathan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
@Kingsfanone,

Uh……..yes I would!

Kingsfanone Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@Marc Nathan,

bubbaganoush Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
@Marc Nathan, I second that… Moller or Murray would be fine too. Hell call in Noah Clarke for all I care.

The Third Vopat Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@Marc Nathan,

What’s wrong with crappy retreads??? I liked your comment way above about Heinz and all. It’s the Pavel Rosa’s and Nathon Lafayett’s of the NHL world that we love/hate to remember. Then again this is comeing from a Roman and Jan Vopat Fan. LOL.

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joan fondell Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@Marc Nathan, I’m glad I’m not the only once dissatisfied with Moreau and Hunter’s contribution or lack thereof. Haven’t seen the names of Rosa, Lafayette, Vopat in a long time. Glad to see some REAL LA hockey people. You know the players. I’m sorry to see us giveaway Purcell and Moulson. I think our defensive system is good…the BEST teams (Minnesota, Detroit and Boston) are built on strong D. You need scoring….but the 3rd and 4th lines have to be REAL scrappers–the Conachers, Granatos, Drapers, the pests who keep pestering and shake the puck loose and most importantly know what to do with it, when it springs lose-they bury it. The Kings have NOT have great 3rd/4th line scrappers in awhile. Cliffy is good at that, as is Richardson. They’ll be on the minus side every while, because they may be up against the other teams top line….they come thru. Moreau, HUnter, Westy are “extras” at best. They are as good as any young player without the experience. But I haven’t seen Moreau or Hunter “act veteran”–ie not taking dumb penalties or whiffing on the puck or being out of position or not being able to bury the puck. And why TM had them on the PP on occasion as the second squad is beyond my comprehension! Obviously someone had enough. I don’t think the waiver is to open up a spot for Mitchell–someone else is on their way to the team…and it is likely not from Manchester. There must be a DL deal that is in the works–and room is being made at the inn.

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Pumpernicholl says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:52 am

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought Mitchell was never placed on IR. I thought he was intentionally not on IR while he recuperated. Thus the roster spot would indeed be for Richards’s return.

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Marc Nathan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:54 am
@Pumpernicholl, they placed him on IR yesterday, retroactive, so they could activate Martinez.

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40YearKingsFan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
@Marc Nathan, Yep. I think the move is so they can keep Voynov on the big club until they figure out what to do with Martinez. Somebody, eventually will be the odd man out.

well, that and the fact that Moreau did nothing but chew up minutes.

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PRMan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
@40YearKingsFan, Just pointing out that Drewiske looked TERRIBLE last time he played. I would rather have Martinez sit the bench and just waive DD2 already. If we get into D trouble, just activate someone from Manchester.

yenom2003 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:54 am
@Pumpernicholl, Mitchell was placed on IR yesterday to free up a spot for Martinez last night.

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jim Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:55 am
@Pumpernicholl,

Mitchell was put on retroactive IR to make room for Alec

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Regent Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:55 am
@Pumpernicholl, Retroactively he was placed on IR on Thursday morning I believe.

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Stuart Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:55 am
@Pumpernicholl, he was placed on it retro to the game it happened just the other day to make room for AM to be on the roster… The retro allowed WM to be ready and off of it by tomorow.

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Andrew: The second coming Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:58 am
@Pumpernicholl, So this would deffently would be for Richards because Willie is on the IR yesterday. Hopefully. Or they just want to get rid of him

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Stuart Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
@Andrew: The second coming, no, WM was put on the IR retro to the night the injury occured… MR has no time table to return as of yet, I believe.

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Andrew: The second coming Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
@Stuart, Sigh -.-

Pumpernicholl Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
@Pumpernicholl, Thank you for the responses everybody. I see the article on Mitchell going on IR now.

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neil says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:56 am

Dl is making sure that tm doesnt play moreau anymore…….

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Bobo Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 11:59 am
@neil,

100% agree, Moreau has been in most if not all games thus far, and Terry Murray has always enjoyed him. This speaks to the GM telling the coach he doesnt like what he sees for so and so. Plus it doesnt make sense to waive a forward for a D man to come back. Richardson should be playing!

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fsd1 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
@Bobo, Tm works with the players he has been given, he doesnt do waivers, trades, call ups or any of that sort of thing. Gm is telling himself this is the thing to do. With the rational of some of our bloggers TM should also be blamed for our economic woes in this country.

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neil Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
T@fsd1, if tm spent more money it would help the economy….no?

Duckbasher Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Terry Murray talked DL into signing Moreau, so that helped “dump” some money out there. Right?

puck73 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@neil, LMAO !!!

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Nickdoh says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:57 am

Was wondering who it was going to be, sadly quite a few candidates floating out there! Hopefully the purple and gold brings some luck Saturday!

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nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
@Nickdoh,
I was thinking the same thing…there’s a whole list on guys who should be put on waivers.

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Sam says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:57 am

WHAT?!?! Not Hunter? I’d prefer both honestly and I hope Hunter leaves when Richards comes back but of the two I like Ethan 10000x more.

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Helvetica Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
@Sam, I would not be surprised at all if Hunter stays with the team. He’s been slow to get going, but so has the whole team. I still believe that, by the end of the year, we’ll be happy to have him at his current payroll.

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fsd1 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
@Sam, Nothing at all wrong with Hunter in a 3rd or 4th line situation.

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Kingsfanone Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
@fsd1,

And isn’t Hunter back from a serious injury? We all know it takes a while. Like Zus took a while. Id be okay with keeping him around, just to give him some time. It’s not like its only his fault the team is playing poorly, correct?

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Duckbasher Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@Kingsfanone, Moreau was hopeless… Hunter has been hapless.

Giz Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@Kingsfanone, I’d agree with Hunter on the 4th line. 3rd is a stretch. The problem is he’s been sprinkled into top 6 and PP duty since Richards got hurt. Is the team really in such bad shape that the best thing TM can think to do, whilst attempting to mix for some additional offensive chemistry, is to take a guy who is in the sunset of his career and was signed off a tryout, and throw minutes at him because he will play conservatively and avoid mistakes? It’s not wonder the Kings can’t put up 3 goals in a game.

PRMan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
@Kingsfanone, And I NEVER want to see Hunter on the PP again!!!
Jordan says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:59 am

thank god

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Scott says:

December 9, 2011 at 11:59 am

But Marc, Hunter is the key to our awesome power play!

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Marc Nathan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
@Scott, KILL ME…

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cjms says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:00 pm

23-11-15, 14-10-12, 22-28-25, 13-24-47

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fsd1 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
@cjms, combo to the safe?

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DesertKing Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@cjms,

1-1-1, 2-2-2, 3-3-3, turn the lever and enter the Matrix. Ask for Neo.

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Kingsfanone Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@DesertKing,

I did that. I got chocolate chip.

ps – it was delish!

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DesertKing Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
@Kingsfanone,

OK, you must have taken the blue pill.

Harry Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
@cjms,

Actually, I would leave Penner with Kopi and Brownie until Richards comes back. Penner has been playing better, plus he has 2 goals in 3 games.

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Zuggyfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
@Harry, penner plays well with Kopi. He did last year before Kopi goy hurt and it seems they are again playing well this time around.

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neil Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
W@cjms, where is lotki? Who is 10? (Richards)) penner on third line and richardson on first?

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cjms Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
@neil, Meh, just going back to what worked, kind of, last year. Brown is unquestionably better on the left.

At the very least, they should put the 22-15-13 line back together after it worked in the playoffs against SJ.

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Harrison Merkin Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@cjms, @all Pens/Brown/Kopi should have been on a line since day one. Throw three big bodies at em then follow with speed and skill in the form of Gagne/Richards/Williams. That’s a top 6 that can give other teams fits. If Kopi can play the way he did last night in the 3rd more consistently that line could do some real damage. We’re not going to be the runaway division winners we all hoped for but we will make the playoffs and when we do we will be a hard to team to play against. Also for all the “system” talk, while I agree that it isn’t currently working nor is it particularly exciting I think it’s interesting to look at The Kings record against the east over TM’s tenure. There is no doubt that we play an east coast style and have had success doing so. I think that bodes well for this team in making a deep run in the playoffs.

The Third Vopat Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
@cjms,

I can do that too. marlins, Coco Puffs, Kathy, Voodoo Child.

Random thoughts…. oh Line combos…Boring.

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Mik3ysfv says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:00 pm

I am sorry for Ethan Moreau. He is a class act. Now who’ll listen to Mitchell on the back of the bus? Godspeed, Mr. Moreau. I hope sincerely everything works out for you. Again, you are a class act.
Moreau, being one of Murray’s favorites, what message y’all think has been sent to TM? Sux Moreau took the fall for TM. Ethan Moreau just did what TM asked of him.
Hope you sleep well, Murray. Be a man, resign with a modechem of dignity. You cost an innocent man his job. Jerk

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nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
@Mik3ysfv,
He did what TM asked him to do?
You mean all of those terrible penalties he was taking was at TM’s request?
Class act or not, he was brutal as a King and should have been jettisoned long ago!
Post of the year!

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Scot Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
@nykingfan,

Lol!

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PRMan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
@nykingfan, That’s true. Any positive contributions Moreau had were completely overwhelmed by Offensive zone penalties!

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PP Anybody? says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:01 pm

Wow. Great move. I’m sure things will pick up now. Forgive me if I’m underwhelmed.

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DlParker says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:01 pm

Can we put Terry Murray on waivers to see if someone will pick him up.

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Lead Feet Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
@DlParker,
THAT”S the right move!!

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Paul G Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
@DlParker, Ontario Reign wouldn’t even touch him

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Poe Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
@DlParker, I was gonna post the same thing. LOL

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John Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@DlParker, I would LOVE to see that happen. Guarentee NOBODY would want him.

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cjms Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
@John, Montreal would probably take him.

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scheme31 says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:02 pm

I liked his grit and would rather have waived Hunter.

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Simarosa Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
@scheme31,

Maybe Hunters next???

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Zuggyfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
@Simarosa, It is a mostest to me why they even signed him in the first place.

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Kings of Pedro says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:03 pm

Place your bets now. Moreau signs with Columbus and scores 2 goals against the Kings when they play next….

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fsd1 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
@Kings of Pedro, And we have 3 years of listening to how stupid mgmt is for letting him go.

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Marc Nathan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
@Kings of Pedro, Even Columbus is smart enough to know better. They had to endure his over-the-hill-no-upside-within-two-continents play LAST season!

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joan fondell Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
@Kings of Pedro, seen that before!

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Barry's Mullet says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:03 pm

That was the obvious move. We have 4 or 5 players that all play the exact same way.

Those calling for TM’s job…look no further than across town to the quacks and how much better they are with a new coach. Columbus has a new coach every year….why aren’t they any better.

This is about 20 players being committed to each other and playing as a team. If you’re not going give 110% for 60 minutes every game…this is the result!

We saw this a few years ago when the Kings would fall behind early in games because they weren’t prepared to play at the start. Somehow that disappeared last season and we still have the same players and added a stud in M. Richards. You can just tell their confidence is shot.

Props to Kopi last night for giving it his all…need more of that from him, but he can’t do it all himself!

A nice long road trip with some Kings players dropping the gloves (Clifford and Westy) and playing some ugly hockey to get back on a roll. This team is still in the top on defense and goaltending. Just need a few ugly goals and the bottom 6 forwards to pick it up!

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fsd1 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, Nice post! Im with you!

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Scot Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@Barry’s Mullet,

Just to stir the pot a little bit..

“Those calling for TM’s job…look no further than across town to the quacks and how much better they are with a new coach”

To this, I would say look at St. Louis. They are something like 10-2-2 since getting a new coach, after they had an awful start.

Moral of the story is, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

I just think fans around here are feeling like it can’t get much worse, so what have we to lose at this point? We are underachieving, and playing uninspired..

I have always loved your nickname by the way!

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gralx Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, Good point about the fights. We are 28 games in and I think Fraser, who started the season on IR, has more fights that Clifford and Westgarth combined.

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Harty Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@gralx, what tells you clifford is a fighter?
because he fought often last year, he got dinged up and stupidly as a result of the fighting hipe, let him play hockey

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nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
@Barry’s Mullet,
Good post man.

I think we’ll turn it around on the road trip.
They’ve done it before coming off a brutal homestand only to have a great road trip and get themselves back in gear.
I expect that again.

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tornado12 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
@nykingfan, what happens if they fail on the road trip? will it be time for a change then?

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nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@tornado12,
I’ll always blame the players for the failure on the ice, but realistically speaking, I wouldn’t be shocked if that were to occur.
I’ll stick to my original thought which was he makes it thru the season…but there are pressures from above that may decide a change is necessary.

tornado12 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@nykingfan, fair enough! I too think (cautiously optimistic is probably a better word) they will do well on this road trip. If not, then I think DL will be forced to make a move of some sort. As you suggested, usually its just easier to axe the coach.
I havent read any comments on what people think of Carlyle. To me he is the obvious choice, but then again I have to admit, I am not well versed in such things as ‘highly touted coaching prospects’.

Mr. Hockey Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, Nice accurate post!

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Harrison Merkin Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, ~Firm hand shake~

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Deke'r Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
@Barry’s Mullet, I’m in agreement as well….perhaps DD’s holdout affected team moral more than people realize…in team play you have to respect your team mates and play for them as well…just ain’t happenin’…..

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number 6 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
@Barry’s Mullet,

Thing is…. can this bottom six score? Seriously, you have to wonder if Cliffy had an exceptional rookie season (a bit sad to say that…. not like seven goals is exceptional), Lewis has topped out at ….. what (?), six? Hunter still there. Stoll no way to know if he can score again w/o JW and Smyth on the wings.

We’ll see but they have a dang bit of work to do because it’s not just that they’ve barely losing. The play looks stodgy, and totally lacking in either speed or creativity. It’s not as though there are three teams in the nhl who play with speed and creativity. There are like twelve or thirteen that play that way…. minimum. That’s almost half the league. How that is not possible with a team thats up to the cap is totally and completely beyond me.

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Et219 says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:04 pm

Will never get tired of saying this, get rid of Lokti. One measly point in how many games? Muscled off the puck every time I see him near it. He was put in the center and even that hasn’t worked. It’s just not going to happen unless he fills out and has a growth spurt. Even Penner’s got more points and I know how much people rag on him.

I bought tickets to watch my Kings. Win or lose, I’ll still be watching. If you can’t handle the ups and downs, I suggest you take up golf or underwater basket weaving. Less disappointment.

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tantrum4 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
@Et219,

Are you kidding? Golf has more ups and downs than any sport in the world! On top of the world after you hit that 280 yard drive right down the middle of the fairway, then you want to throw your clubs in the water hazard you just shanked your next shot into

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fsd1 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@Et219, Lokti actually had a real good game last night.

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nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@Et219,
21 years old?

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KingVern Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
@Et219, Yeah just waive him because there is a pipeline of elite offense in Manchester and Lokti is 21 so if it hasn’t worked out by now, it never will.

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KingsGuy Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
@Et219, +1

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cjms Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
@Et219, Waiving him probably isn’t a good idea, but he should be sent down and we should see if he gets any sniffs on the trade market. I don’t think he’s an NHL player (yet). Whether he will be in the future is an open question.

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Hackwoods Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
@cjms, I concur. I agree that Moreau was not all that great and took some stupid penalities, but he does add value to a team, as he does not have to play everynight to be an effective 4th line winger playing 8 minutes. He is a guy that can be scratched and switched out when Westy needs to be in the game as the enforcer. He would not get rattled or lose confidence in these situations, whereas guys like Richardson and Lewis, still developing, can be impacted mentally by long absenses as a healthy scratch.

Lokti should have been sent back down, and we do not lose anyone. Lokti is not ready to center the 3rd or 4th line, as that his not his place, nor is wing on any line. He might be effective as a 1st or 2nd line center, but we have those covered (for the most part). He has not showed me much upon his return. Very little do I even notice him. I know he is still young and developing, so let him play more in Manchester and he can be ready when needed down the road.

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bubbaganoush Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
@Hackwoods, Moreau was a liability and needs to be traded…. Inside joke….. but he was terrible and put this team in to many bad situations. I haven’t hated watching a player like that since wilsie

Cruiznblue Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@Et219,

We need a little Russian in our blood stream if we are going to get creative on the offensive end.

I think Loki is building confidence…he looked better last game.

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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@Et219, I thought Oscar had come back from Europe and now you tell me it is Loktionov, well I’ll be.

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tantrum4 says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:04 pm

So does anyone else agree that this must mean Voynov is staying up for good?

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variable says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:05 pm

i’m also feel bad that it didn’t work out for moreau here…chances are he’s probably done at this point of his career…

i don’t expect anyone to pick him up…he will either finish the year in manchester and be someone to possibly call up in case of injury or simply retire…

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StillKingly says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:05 pm

good start

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Paul G says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:06 pm

Manchester Monarchs have a new captain or does Marc-Andre Cliche stay as captain?
Moreau probably gets an A

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TheCrazyWhls says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:07 pm

Personally, I’d have waived Hunter first. Good luck to you Moreau.

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2hitnik says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:07 pm

So does TM dress 7 d-men or does Voynov, Martinez, Green or Scuderi take a game off?

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goldielocks says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm

Poor Moreau. Someone who never blames himself used him as a scapegoat.

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gralx says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm

Gettin’ dicey in here.

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DesertKing Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
@gralx,

Are you in Vegas?

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nykingfan says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:09 pm

Finally…I’ve never hated (bad choice of words) a player on the Kings more than Moreau.
He might have been a nice guy and a leader elsewhere, but during his brief tenure with the Kings, there haven’t been many worse than him.
His terrible penalties and poor play have finally been rewarded with a trip out of town.
Lt’s hope this sends a message to the players who are also under-performing..
Get your butts in gear or get the hell out of town.

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KC23 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
@nykingfan, Great interview, but he had no upside on the ice. Slow, not that physical and no offensive ability what so ever.

I’m still p1ssed at Holloway for going to Europe. He could of had his shot right now.

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nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
@KC23,
yeah who would have known that his best shot would come when he decides to leave.
Timing is everything….I wonder if he regrets it now?
I know the Kings are probably regretting that he went.

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Stuart Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
@nykingfan, I thought the Kings owned his rights and he could come back to play for them? So then what’s the status, he’s just gone?

nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
@Stuart,
way to ruin my day man lol
I guess he can be recalled but he would have to pass thru waivers to come back….

PP Anybody? Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
@KC23, Holloway is currently 6th overall in scoring in the Swedish Elite League right now with 11g 14a in 29 games, and is the leading scorer on his team (http://estat.hockeyligan.se/c/LPlayersPoints.aspx?LId=248). I’m guessing he’s probably having a lot more fun, and is glad he chose not to stick around only to get called up by Murray and asked to play a grinding, “heavy” game where he probably wouldn’t even have a single goal. I’m guessing that if the Kings actually fire Murray, he might come back next year. If not, forget it.

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Stuart Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@PP Anybody?, are you on moderation?? This would’ve been good to look at earlier… sadly you’re probably right about it being better for him that he left and found his game!
Jason4Kings says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:12 pm

Awesome, stanley cup here we come.

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King4life says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:14 pm

Good, put Hunter on them too!

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ScarredSince93 says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:16 pm

Did we put TM on waivers yet?

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AZ King Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@ScarredSince93,

Don’t know, why don’t you ask the guy who posted the same thing above.

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John Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@ScarredSince93, +1

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Michael J. Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@ScarredSince93,

Old joke, still not funny…

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questionhere says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:16 pm

I am going to occupy staples center until Murray is fired. WHO’S COMING WITH ME?! #occupystaplescenter

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nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
@questionhere,
does it come with free tickets?

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John Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@nykingfan, free tickets to see the Kings lose some more games? No thanks

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nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
@John,
They’re still our team, no?
We’ve rooted for them when they were the worst…they’re just going thru an ugly stretch…can’t give up on them yet

DesertKing Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
@questionhere,

I would but most everyone will think you are just camping out and waiting for the next Twilight premier.

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Harrison Merkin Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@questionhere, Hell

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KingVern says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:16 pm

Hunter and Moron both have 1 garbage goal so DL reviewed tape of which goal was more garbage and went with Moron’s beaut, then waived him.

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SVIK says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:17 pm

Sweet!! get Richie back in there. Moreau was a waste of a roster spot all year

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AZ King Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@SVIK,

Which d-man do you deactivate then? Someone has to come off to get get Richie or Lewis in the line-up. My money is on Voynov. Not that he should get sent down, but it still makes the most sense.

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Scot Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@AZ King,

It does not make the most sense to take Voynov out of the lineup.

In fact, it makes zero sense to me!

He’s been one of our best defensemen for several games now.

He is our best quarterback on the PP, he settles things down & gets us set up.

I understand the waiver rules, but if a player (Voynov) outplays another player (Martinez), you need to make adjustments to accomodate keeping that player (Voynov) IN the lineup.

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AZ King Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@Scot,

Okay so what’s you solution? You have less than 24 hours to make something happen. Do you expose DD2 or Martinez to waivers and hope you don’t lose them for nothing. Do you try to pull off a quick trade and probably get a lot less than what you could get if you were a little more patient. Or do you stay the course, keep you options open, and not put yourself in a bad position, even if it means that Voynov needs to spend a few more months in Manchester.

Harrison Merkin Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
@Scot, Slava’s points are the sexy choice but he drives me nuts in his own zone. He tends to get himself in trouble then gives his problem to the nearest forward. I hardly think he’s anywhere near our best defenseman. Get back to the familiar pairings and spot start Slava for Martinez based on the opposition.

2 cents-

Scot Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
AZ King,

Voynov needs to spend zero time in Manchester going forward. He belongs in the NHL. I am sure DL has planned ahead, & has options with Martinez (offers from other GMs). Maybe they aren’t great, maybe they are workable. If I had to make a choice, I would sift through my offers for Martinez, & choose the best one. If there isn’t a best one, & they are all terrible offers (like a 5th round pick being the best offer), then I would risk Drewiske on Waivers, with the intention of sending him down. If he gets claimed, he gets claimed. Losing Drewiske is not going to cost the Kings a chance at the Stanley Cup. However, keeping Voynov in the lineup will help the Kings TOWARDS winning the Stanley Cup.

40YearKingsFan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@AZ King, You’re right. Eventually they’re going to have to move someone but until then I think Voynov is trhe only logical option to send down which is a shame. He’s been the best surprise of the season, but we can’t just give a talented young D-man away on waivers. Maybe we just carry another D-man?

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Scot Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
@40YearKingsFan,

Is Davis Drewiske a talented young defenseman? With all due respect to him, he’s not. As I stated to AZ King above, losing Drewiske on waivers would not cost the Kings a chance at winning the Stanley Cup. However, keeping Voynov in the lineup would work towards winning one. He’s a keeper. We don’t need to keep Voynov out of the lineup JUST to keep Drewiske. That’s just silly.

Cruiznblue Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@AZ King,

voynov needs to stay in the lineup…trade Martinez or DD and get something for them.

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vtecjunkie says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:17 pm

Ethan Chopper Moreau

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California Royalty says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm

Step in the right direction. Hopefully he clears and can teach the Cliche how to be a good power forward.

He was good when he captained Edmonton for all those years, he was just over the hill.

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What's the frequency, Kenneth? says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:20 pm

Wow. All these comments are probably more than the topic deserves. My perspective was that it was simply the right move. At this particular point, we see that he didn’t work out and he’s dead weight. I’m neither going to call it a great or horrible move; it was a simple and fairly obvious move. If people think it means the Kings are going to suddenly start scoring again, or people think that it’s ruined the season, you’re deep in hyperbole.

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Role Call says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:21 pm

When will they put Murray on Waivers. With all the added talent, the team has grown beyond the talent of Murray. In addition, rid Hunter, Penner, and send Clifford to Manchester. It seems every game resembles a pee-season line up, trying to figure out the players and line combos. Except nearly a third of the season is over with out progress. Stop messing with the line combos and line up for a few games already, let the chemistry build. Time to figure the players role has come and gone.

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Renbe says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:22 pm

Speaking of Hunter…Does everyone remember the key to TM’s powerplay a few years back with the mighty Kyle Calder on the powerplay and playing on the 1st line. Just that should get TM fired. He just doesn’t know how to make and keep a line.

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bmova Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@Renbe, Do you remember when Matt Moulson was on the first line?

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KingsGuy says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:23 pm

Too bad we picked him up 10 years too late, lol. Good luck Moreau!

I wonder if and who he will be picked up by…?

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cjms Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@KingsGuy, He’d have been a darn good pre-lockout guy.

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Eric says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:24 pm

He was actually an effective player, especially on the fourth line with Fraser and Westy. I don’t understand this at all. Why not waive Lewis, or send down Loktionov?

Moreau was arguably the most physical player on this roster. The team has just gotten softer and wimpier. I guess this is Dean’s way of shaking things up?

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C-Note20 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
@Eric, Yup he was very effective at taking bad penalties at the wrong time.

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PaulCat Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
@Eric,

Please tell me you are joking. Waive Lewis and send down Loktionov for 36 year old Moreau who arguably hasn’t done a thing since he’s gotten here. This was the right move. If you are going to be a 4th line guy then play the role.

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C-Note20 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@PaulCat, Joking about Moreau taking bad penalties in the offensive zone, NO !!
No logic in keeping a 36 year better odds with young players whom have yet to get close to the thier prime.

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C-Note20 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@C-Note20, sorry Paul that was not mean for you
Luke M says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Wil Wheaton must be doing a happy dance!

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T Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@Luke M, Whil Wheaton?

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Oliver Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
@T, Wil Wheaton (the actor) is a passionate (sometimes emotional) Kings fan. His tweets have shown that he is not a fan of Ethan Moreau at all. He is also not a fan of Terry Murray and you can envision things being thrown at the TV with some of the tweets he makes during games.

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yetiman_oc says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:36 pm

Just because he is on waivers doesn’t mean he is gone for good. Look at Avery for the NYR.

What’s obvious is the Kings are not well. What’s not is what to do to fix it. I’ve not liked a Kings head coach for a very long time. I’d start there.

I’m protesting by not going to any games until I’m happy with the product on the ice. It seems to be slowly working…there have been a couple of games not sold out this year. More to come if something isn’t done to fix the product on the ice.

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jess Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@yetiman_oc,

Well said. Like it or not, the Kings are a product, and a brand. With that said it is the coach’s job to organize and guide and train the team into an effective unit. If the coach does not carry the fire in his belly to lead, then things deteriorate into a benign mish-mosh of impotence and confusion.

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Mike J. says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:47 pm

Moreau got canned because Moreau couldn’t produce points. So Hunter will be next to be canned and after that they should take a good hard look at the other forwards on this team that are royally sucking it up. I know most people are thinking Penner, but let’s look at Brown (yes, it’s time for Dustin to finally step up and become captain and lead on the ice), Justin Williams, Brad Richardson, and of course Jarret Stoll who can’t score unless he’s the only player on the ice (ex: shootouts). I would not be shocked to see a few of these players gone by the trade deadline or sooner.

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Alex says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:50 pm

Tm sucks!!!!

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dmoney says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:52 pm

What are the odds that Moreau still finds a way to sneak back on the ice in the third period to take a bad penalty?

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40YearKingsFan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@dmoney, Now that’s funny. Like in disguise with nose and glasses on.

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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
@40YearKingsFan, No, for the other team.

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jess Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
@dmoney, LMAFO!

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Alex says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:52 pm

Last in offense??? Y????

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John says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:55 pm

Good move that I support. DL is sending a message to TM. I keep checking for updates on NHL.com, hoping that TM has been replaced.

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Scot says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:55 pm

@AZ King,

Lol.

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AZ King says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:57 pm

His name was Ethan Moreau……His name was Ethan Moreau…..

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nykingfan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
@AZ King,
who? lol

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40YearKingsFan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@nykingfan, Don’t look at him. Don’t make eye contact.

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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
@40YearKingsFan, Now that was funny.
Jay Russ says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:58 pm

Now that seemed like eternity how long he was with us. It was like nails on a chalkboard watching him play.

p.s. on your way out don’t forget to take that other practice pylon Trent Hunter with you!

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Phillip says:

December 9, 2011 at 12:59 pm

So much for all that pre-season talk about Moreau’s grit and leadership. Hard to believe but I’m worn out on all the grit, character and leaders on this team. We need speed and creative puck handlers to break down the defense and open things up for us in the offensive zone. We all bitch about Murrays system…well I dont think we have the talent (other than Kopi or Richards) to play a more opened up style. Just look whats happened since he did loosen things up this season.

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Stuart Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
@Phillip, I didn’t complain at all the chances MIN got in the 2nd because the Kings were trying to be “creative” and were giving up quality chances because of it… which is what we’ve wanted right? More creativity at the expense of giving up some chances that we feel will get bailed out by JQ/B?

this is a process, and unfortunately we’re still in the middle…the end of the middle, but the middle nonetheless.

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Marbles says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:02 pm

Good I hated Moreau, definitely a waste of space.

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He Shoots, He Scores says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:08 pm

Wow, this is surprising. I was actually thinking about this earlier today, and sure enough, it happens. Great guy, just wasn’t able to put up the numbers, took bad penalties. So much was made of the additions of former captains and to have the team so flat just seems counter intuitive. I think Hunter deserves the door too.

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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
@He Shoots, He Scores, Think about TM quickly.

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Subby says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:14 pm

I wish we had Zues still

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Stuart Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@Subby, me three!

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KC23 says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:14 pm

After reading the article on espn with DL … I think a coaching change is coming sooner than later. Unlike most though, I do feel bad for TM and wish he could of got it done. I think TM will get his 500th win tomorrow night against Dallas, but will be replaced during the road trip. Then again, who would be his replacement?

While a coaching change may give me some new excitement and hope, I can’t say I’ll feel all that good about things in general.

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California Royalty Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
@KC23, so it’s the player’s you’re not thrilled about?

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KC23 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
@California Royalty, Specifically, its the leadership in the locker room. Brown makes for an excellent spokesman for the team off the ice, but on the ice … I’m less than impressed. Where are the players only meetings? I think there needs to be some serious arse chewing going on between the players to get an edge back to the team. Clifford looks like someone has taken his manhood and locked it up. What’s up with that?

I think TM “losing the room” started with Quick’s shut out streak benching. Something just hasn’t seemed right since then imho.

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jess Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
@KC23, Very interesting..

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dMan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@KC23, It’s entirely possible that Murray gets axed. Not sure who would replace him though that could really take the team to another level. I’ve liked him, but if things don’t change, it’s certainly one of the options Lombardi has to shake things up a little; the Moreau to waivers notwithstanding.

The thing is, there are stretches in life, relationships, work, etc. that we all have to struggle though and once we get to the other side, it’s been a learning experience for all involved and I feel that’s what this team is going through right now. It’s been frustrating as it seems to just drag on and as much as several posters here want to blame things on Murray, I’d say there’s quite a few more people to blame, but it’s always easier to point the finger at one person.

I said it some time back, but I think there is a leadership problem in that locker room right now – the pink elephant in the room – that no one wants to deal with. until that happens, I don’t see things changing; new coach or not. It’s possible that bringing in all these vets with locker room presence undermined Brown.

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KC23 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
@dMan, I wanted to think the same for a long time (just one of those down stretches), but DL hasn’t been the same since Doughty deal went through. Puck73 thinks that perhaps DL’s hand was forced from above on the Doughty deal and I’m starting to think he might be right. Since that deal went down DL seems to have distenced himself from the team in general.

Something just doesn’t feel right atm and I’m not talking about the play on the ice.

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Deke'r Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
@dMan, …or possibly mentally intimidated him in the locker room…afraid to speak up for fear of what the more expierienced guys would think…

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Subby says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:15 pm

This is also the LAST time I read into the “hype” about our team. This has bee so disappointing. That’s my mistake though for getting all excited I guess :[

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Kingsfanone Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
@Subby,

Stop reading billboards while you’re driving! Dangerous!

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fsd1 Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
@Subby, I get excited that hockey season starts and depressed when it ends. Haven’t stopped watching them for over 40 years and Im not going to stop now….

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PVHockeyDad says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:16 pm

The problem is that the Kings got too many of these “vet-grinder” types in the off season. Fraser, Hunter, Moreau; any 1 of these would have been fine. They ended up taking playing time away from the young guys that need to develop. 1 more of these will go by the end of December. Moreau was actually my favorite. Skills are diminishing, but he always brought effort and I liked his leadership in the room. I’m sad t see him go, but 2 of these 3 need to be gone.

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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
@PVHockeyDad, Fraser has been the one surprise that has been fairly representative of a hockey player, he must have learned it in Chicago.

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Phil says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:17 pm

Penner-Kopitar-Williams
Brown-Lokti-Gagne
Lewis-Stoll-Richie
Hunter-Fraser-Clifford

I think part of the reason Stoll has only 2 goals this season is that he was stuck playing with Moreau for awhile. Put him with some more skilled wingers and see what he can do.

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Dumphy Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@Phil, with Richards back in the mix in a week or two, what do you think of these?

Gagne-Kopitar-Williams
Richardson-Richards-Penner
Brown-Lewis/Stoll (interchange) – Think Stoll can generate more offense from the wing.
Clifford-Fraser-Hunter/Westgarth

IMO, Lokti has been overly soft and non-productive

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Phil Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
@Dumphy, Looks good although I think Brown should be on the 2nd and not 3rd line. Makes sense to send Lokti down when Richards comes back since there really isn’t room for Lokti.

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TradedForADraftPick Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
@Phil,
I agree brown should be on the second line, and I’d even put Penner on the top line. Having Richardson and Lewis on the third line would make me one happy camper however.
Gustavo says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:19 pm

Best wishes, Ethan…too bad it did not work out. Hope you have a good career as a TV analyst or even coaching.

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40YearKingsFan says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:20 pm

I think Ethan Moreau is now posting on this site using a different identity and he sounds extremely pissed off at Terry Murray.

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Forum Gold Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
@40YearKingsFan, If he is claimed by another team I sure would like to hear what he has to say about his time here under TM. GO KINGS GO!!!

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Melissa Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
@40YearKingsFan, Haha, I thought the same thing.

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Michael J. Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@40YearKingsFan,

He does have a kid…

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paige says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:20 pm

Ok. I know I am going to get reamed for saying this, but I kind of liked Moreau – better than Hunter. Moreau is kind of mean out there on the ice. If Kopi’s scoring was consistent, if brown, stoll, williams, penner, gagne, had put up the numbers they were supposed to, If clifford, lewis, richardson, doughty, etc. provided the secondary scoring they were supposed to, then the role players wouldn’t be so pressured to be something they are not. In a seven game series, those gritty, mean players are punishing and help wear down the other team. It’s the guys who aren’t scoring according to their capability who are letting down their teammates – not they other way around.

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Devilmachine Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
@paige, EXACTLY!!!

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Giz Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@Devilmachine, after watching this team play for the first half of this season I couldn’t disagree with you more. For most of this year, it’s been like watching 2 teams. You wake up and pay attention when Richards and Kopi lines are out there and your eyes glaze over when the 3rd and 4th line are out. How often have you seen the 3rd or 4th lines establish any sustained cycling time or offensive pressure? It’s not just that they haven’t managed to score any goals — it’s that they aren’t even able move the puck forward.

The 4th line needs to be generating energy and excitement. They need to be punishing the opposing D, and putting a scare into people, even if it’s just for a couple of minutes a period. Finishing your check on guys who have already moved the puck to the breakout, just doesn’t cut it. The 3rd line needs to be generating scoring chances. The bottom 6, at least under the Murray system, have been invisible. Richards got hurt at the worst possible time, but it has further exposed how thin they are in the scoring creativity and puck lugging department. At very least the 3rd and 4th lines need to put pressure and establish possession of the puck, and the Kings bottom 6 just don’t have the ability to do that right now. Something had to change, and if it’s hit rock bottom, you have to look at giving younger guys a chance.

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Sean says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:22 pm

Wow, sad to see Moreau go on waivers man. He has been really physical and a great team guy to have, I hate to see him go down like that after the hard work he’s put in on the ice being a physical player.

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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
@Sean, And if he was still here, you’d be griping that DL didn’t waive him. But that is being a good Kings fan as we always ride both sides of the boards.

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Dunphy says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm

This is unfortunate, great presence in the room and would be a solid guy to have on the bench come playoff time. I wonder what Richardson and Lewis have done to fall so far out of favor given the run they had in the playoffs last year? I understand Lotki is young, but my goodness is he ever soft on the puck! He was put in to provide an upgrade on offense and he really hasn’t done anything.
I’d love to see line combo’s like this: 3 interchangeable 1st/2nd lines
Gagne-Kopitar-Wiliams (skill, awesome, skill)
Richardson-Richards-Penner (Speed, smart, net)
Brown-Lewis-Stoll (Tough, speed, speed)
Clifford-Fraser-Hunter/West (check)

Roll those top 3 and take Kopitar off the PK – only use him there in crucial situations.

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K Yerky says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:28 pm

I played in a pickup game one night during the lockout with Ethan. He played on a line with his brother and his Dad. He couldn’t have been more gracious and kind. True gentlemen. Bummer it didn’t work out for him here and hardly his fault. Dean can’t wait until February to make a considerable deal. Good luck Chopper. I hope you land somewhere and play well.

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Sean Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
@K Yerky, Yeah that’s the impression I got from Ethan. He’s always been praised as a great leader and locker room guy, which is what the Kings need at this point. Their frustration is palpable, and seeing him keep going after Bergenheim (and watching Bergenheim cower away from him) after he hit Richards was something not a lot of the Kings are doing right now, sticking up for their players.

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K Yerky Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
No one besides young Clifford will stand up right now. Bottom line is this team is too soft. The one thing they can control is to be tough to play against….. And their not.

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vicarious says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:30 pm

Wonder if Moreau ends up with Manchester. Sounds from reading they’ve been doing OK but could use some help. I sort of doubt another NHL team would claim Moreau at this point. As far as team leadership, IMO you really have to produce to be a team leader. IME, playing guys with big personalties (or coaches favorites) over more skilled players will kill a team. Better to play some young kid. Don’t know how Moreau is as far as teaching, or if he would produce at the AHL level, but maybe they’d be better off leaving Manchester alone. Mannie has enough grinders on that squad.

Moreau reminded a bit of Gauthier: big strong guy, smart player, a step or two slow for the NHL. Seems like a pretty good guy. Moreau was 14th overall draft pick, many years back.

His waiver is (another) wake up call to the Kings.

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Devilmachine Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
@vicarious, perfectly said!

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Niko says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:31 pm

THIS JUST MADE MY DAY!!!

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RobBordson says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm

That would make one less player taking stupid penalties out there. Did I mention, “Yay?”

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Sean Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
@RobBordson, I don’t think Ethan took nearly as many stupid penalties on the ice as Greene or Doughty personally.. I can’t think of one anyway.

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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
@Sean, You are right!!

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Michael J. says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:48 pm

@Scot,

No comparison Scot. Yours are Pullitzers compared to this guys.

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Devilmachine says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:53 pm

Perfect!!

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Ducksuck says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:54 pm

Wow shocker! I had my money on whiskey considering Voynov playing so great. This move I understand, but why will DL do when Richards is back? Martinez and whiskey gotta be scared knowing they are next and in my feeling should have been gone this time. O well we need goals, that’s it goals and quick to play not like last night and the team is good. Bye Moreau, Hunter and Penner keep it up. Btw brown and atoll need to put that puck in the net already! Williams was close last night plus he is not 100%, but at least he makes player around him play better.. Brown and Stoll need to step up!

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Dave says:

December 9, 2011 at 1:55 pm

Hallelujah!

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dean says:

December 9, 2011 at 2:01 pm

Really…..Hunter and Moreau the reason the kings are strugling? They play 6-10 minutes a game !
Get real ! Its the regulars that are the problem.

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K9Jeeper Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
@dean, No, the problem is a lack of puck possession, a lack of skill clearing our own zone and an inept coaching staff that doesn’t adjust within a game. If any of my players dumped the puck on the power play, they would ride the bench for a while.

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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
@K9Jeeper, Or even on the penalty kill and they have possession nobody within 20 feet and they send it into the other teams zone so they can start their play. Back in the day it was called “Ragging the puck”, you’d hold on until you were going to get some pressure and then dumped it. Kings give the puck up to easy and then it bites them in the butt.

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Capt Jam says:

December 9, 2011 at 2:18 pm

I just hope a division rival doesn’t pick up Moreau, only to have him become a scoring force against the Kings in a more contemporary and productive system.

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AZ King Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
@Capt Jam,

Not really all that worried about Moreau turning into that kind of player.

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ForumFan says:

December 9, 2011 at 2:51 pm

for a minute I thought this said Terry Murray on waivers.

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AZ King Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
@ForumFan,

Wow 3 of the same joke in one post…still not funny.

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ForumFan Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
@AZ King,

Guess I should have read all of the posts first. Actually I’m sure TM is a wonderful guy, with a great family. The team seem to have completely tuned him out though.

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kovalking96 says:

December 9, 2011 at 3:01 pm

God I hope Lewis is next, complete waste of a roster spot. Much more the Moreau, at least Moreau hit people and has scored.

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Michael J. Reply:
December 9th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
@kovalking96,

Exsqueeze me…..

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K9Jeeper says:

December 9, 2011 at 3:24 pm

Good riddance! He was only good for putting us into penalty trouble. Now if only Deano would put Terry Murray on Waivers and bring up Pat LaFontaine!!!!!!!

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