The Kings are scheduled to be back at practice at 10:30 a.m. in El Segundo. For the past couple days, they’ve publicly talked up the return of injured winger Dustin Penner for Thursday’s game. This morning, I’m told that Penner is “not ready’’ to play yet — no further explanation yet provided — so it’s likely that the Kings won’t need to make any roster moves today. Today was a notable day, roster-wise, because if the Kings intended to put a player on waivers in order to create a roster spot for Penner, they needed to do so by 9 a.m. today. They didn’t. There’s also the possibility of a player going to the AHL, but now that doesn’t seem likely either for at least the next couple days. More information should be available after practice today…
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And the intrigue continues…really makes one think that Penner’s days here are numbered.
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PK Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:35 am
@vplaza, Trade Penner immediately. (If anybody will take that contract.)
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vplaza Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
@PK,
Sad, but I don’t think anyone will take him. It probably means a dump with nothing real in return. Maybe an injured player from Edmonton again? Oh, wait…
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PK Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
@vplaza, i wonder if Rob Brodson is still available?
Jim Reply:
December 1st, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@vplaza, I’ll take an injured player. Who could we get? I’ll take him!
No worries, Penner is better when he doesn’t play anyways…
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:51 am
@John, You cracked me up John.
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A Trade coming?
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Perro Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:26 am
@Brody, If there is it liekly will not include Penner. I would like us trading two player for one to clear up a spot for penner, and possibly increasing our depth. Hopefully the kings stay clear of Rene Bourque. He is too streaky.
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Newf Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am
@Perro, at least Bourque has a streak..Penner has nothing. I’d rather see them open up a spot for a bag of pucks on the bench than for Penner.
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Perro Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:21 am
@Newf, at least penner’s contract is up at the end of the year. I do not believe Bourque’s is. If we get rid of penner hopefully it we will not bring in anyone that is under contract long term
just finagling more time for the line-up we are currenlty throwing out there. I’m cool with it.
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FRO Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
@Stuart, i sat here and read over that word at least 50 times and i have never been more intruiged with a single word. finagling…
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Kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
@FRO, … Finagling… I like it
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A longer look at Lokti on the third line.
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I would of liked Penner to succeed with us. Too bad he hasn’t and sounds like he won’t.
Hoping for the best!!!
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hahahha BTW, it’s funny that the homepage on lakings.com says “Penner now ready to play!”. Looks like someone screwed up!
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:03 am
@John, didn’t say with what team, lol
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Niko Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:18 am
@John, I’m sure he’s ready to play, but the Kings aren’t ready for him to play.
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Gustavo Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:48 am
@John,
Being ready to play (health wise) and chosen to play (by coaching staff) are two completely different things.
I hope he stays and performs well.
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I wouldnt be upset if Penner never played another game for the LA Kings. I had alot of hopes that he would bring it this year and have been sorely let down. If he is put back into the lineup i hope he turns it around. I like our game day roster right now and would like to see it stay that way.
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jkking Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:31 am
@BrokeKingsFan, wouldn’t it be funny if we win the stanley cup without him playing another game this year….
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Or perhaps they want to keep Loktionov and Voynov in the lineup to showcase them for a potential trade. I still find it hard to believe anyone would take Penner with his production and salary right now.
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jess Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:05 am
@VanKingsFan, Trading away what works for a new set of problems?
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:17 am
@VanKingsFan,
i just don’t see voynov going anywhere…
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#unclewillyson Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@VanKingsFan, Loktionov and Voynov are to valuable to trade.. why would you say that?
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Maybe Kings should trade Penner and Bernier for Bobby Ryan..I am sure they will welcome Penner back and they need a goalie..
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Brownkingsfan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:58 am
@lakingsphan0427, I think a goalie is the last thing the Ducks think they need. Jonas Hiller is their guy. I don’t see Bernier going to a Pacific Division team.
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:17 am
@lakingsphan0427,
the kings don’t want bernier playing for anaheim….
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Niko Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am
@letswinthecup2012, hell no
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Did Penner brake a nail again?
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Sebastian Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:27 am
@Sebastian, *break lol
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408kingsfan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:28 am
@Sebastian, I think he broke the bank if anything. We need this guys cap space off the books quickly in order to go after a scoring left winger
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Anaheim says they want a 2Centre, and top4D and a top prospect. Would they take:
Stoll
Voynov
Bernier
For Bobby Ryan?
Gagne – Kopitar – Brown
Ryan – Richards – Williams
Penner – Loktionov – Richardson/Hunter
Clifford – Fraser – Westgarth
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Kings Fan South Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:33 am
@VanKingsFan, I don’t think ANA will ever trade with us.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am
@Kings Fan South, Could be a three team deal.
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Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:33 am
@VanKingsFan, I’d rather put a healthy AMart in there than VV.
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Yuri Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:34 am
@VanKingsFan, who would be the back up goalie, then?
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Sebastian Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:35 am
@Yuri, Ersberg? lol
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bmova Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:02 am
@Yuri, Chechmanek, Fukufuji, Cloutier…take your pick
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Sebastian Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:34 am
@VanKingsFan, Stoll is not an attractive candidate because his contract ends at the ends of this season and then is UFA. Meanwhile theyre giving up a guy with a long-er term contract.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:55 am
@Sebastian, Yea but they would get a franchise goalie in Bernier. If we didn’t have JQ, we’d not even think of trading Bernier. I think we under value Bernier ONLY because we have Quick. Let’s hope DL doesn’t.
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LA_1968 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:42 am
@VanKingsFan, It’s a sure thing that Anaheim is shopping Ryan. Well, more sure than one blog trying to get some hits. It’s obvious to me that thing Kings need some quality at wing. So the Kings must be talking with the Ducks. Ryan’s age and contract fit our other players as well. Not sure the Ducks need a Bernier though.
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wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:45 am
@VanKingsFan,
Yeah, let’s bring another 30 goal scorer here so he can under perform in our system and then wonder what’s wrong and hope to trade him. Hmmm, sounds vaguely familiar…
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am
@wavesinair, Man… I was thinking the same thing.
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am
@wavesinair,
exactly
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deadcatbounce Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am
@VanKingsFan, I think you’re thinking of this trade solely from a Kings standpoint. If I’m the Ducks and you come calling about Ryan, my counter offer to you would be Bernier, Loktionov and Johnson. Your package offered two relatively untested players and an impending UFA for someone whose already established themselves in the league and I would prefer to have at least one guy whose established a name and a place for himself.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am
@deadcatbounce, That’s an insane trade for the Kings. Bobby Ryan plays with Perry and Getzlaf which would tend to inflate his numbers somewhat. At most Ryan is worth Bernier and Lokti OR Bernier and JJ, not all three. Actually 1st wouldn’t work anyway since we would be 3 million over the cap. Only trade that makes sense is including Penner such as Bernier, Penner and Martinez or JJ, Penner and Martinez.
Think Ryan will end up with Rangers or Stars however.
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BringbackButchGoring Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:21 am
@BringbackButchGoring, Whoops sorry meant to say Lokti and JJ rather than Bernier and JJ
BringbackButchGoring Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:21 am
@BringbackButchGoring, Whoops sorry meant to say Lokti and JJ rather than Bernier and JJ
Jason4kings Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:44 am
@BringbackButchGoring, I think even that stuff is too much. Bernier and Johnson? Just Ryan back, I wouldn’t do it. I wouldn’t even trade JJ straight up for Ryan. You’re right about inflated numbers, he’s skilled but playing with those other two makes a big difference. Look at James Neal all the sudden with Crosby, he was scoring before but now you could see him getting 50 just tipping those passes.
Jason4kings Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:45 am
@BringbackButchGoring, Sorry, didn’t read your correction.
LA_1968 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:04 am
@VanKingsFan,
Lokti
Voynov
Penner
First Round Pick
for
Ryan
I’m thinking that would be the best deal DL would come up with. Would you do it if you were the Ducks?
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bmova Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:08 am
@LA_1968, 2 top prospects AND Penner…I mean AND a First Round Pick??? You know that DL is not Garth Snow, right?!?!?!
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LA_1968 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
@bmova, In my deal Penner is really just a throw in and would allow us most of the cap space for Ryan. As far as the other three (Lokti, Voynov, 1st Rounder) go you have to take into consideration that Ryan is a proven commodity. Two unproven guys, and a pick (may not even make the NHL) for one proven first liner.
Jason4kings Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:48 am
@LA_1968, Wouldn’t do it if I was DL. Too much depth lost. 2 players max, Martinez-Penner maybe. Probably not good enough for Ana but whatever. Ryan is good, but he plays with two monsters, need to remember that.
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LA_1968 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
@Jason4kings, Very good point about Ryan’s linemates. What scares me about my offer is Voynov. He could truly turn out to be an awesome player. I cannot say that about Lokti.
Canadian King Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:14 am
@VanKingsFan, I think that is an overpayment for Ryan, plus they don’t need goalie or a puck moving D (they have Visnovsky and Fowler). A fair trade would be:
Stoll/Lokti
Martinez/Greene
1st rounder
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“I wouldn’t be surprised,” Ryan told the Orange County Register. “If they feel like it’s got to be the right move for the team, then I’d certainly welcome it.”
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wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:54 am
@petemagoop,
He also said… “You just kind of try and stay off of whatever websites,” (this one)… “I’ve dealt with it for five years where some guy’s in his basement (vankingsfan) writing a blog that I’m the one being traded.”
LOL. There you go van…
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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:09 am
@wavesinair, HEY… my office is on the fifth floor, not the basement…although my apartment is a basement apt…
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wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:23 am
@VanKingsFan, Classic! See, he nailed it!
I hope we don’t trade VV. Lokti we can do without but VV has been our best puck moving D-man all year.
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TYLER Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:40 am
@King-C, i beg to differ..
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wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am
@King-C, If by ‘all year’ you mean 12 of 24 games played, then maybe.
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California Royalty Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:42 am
@King-C, Voynov isn’t going anywhere.
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spidey35 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:02 am
@King-C, Sorry if I’m missing something, but who is VV?
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am
@spidey35, Voynov
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Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am
@spidey35, Viatcheslav (spl?) Voynov.
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:22 am
@Stuart,
slava voynov?
Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:30 am
@letswin, Slava is the truncated version of Vyacheslav (I had to look up the spelling)
spidey35 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:08 am
@Stuart, Thanks guys. I figured they were talking about Voynov, I just never saw the real spelling of his name.
letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:43 am
@Stuart,
oh okay.. gotcha
henry Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:11 am
@King-C, our……………..LOL
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The funny thing is people blam TM for the Kings problems but who made all the moves? Dean Lombardi
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TYLER Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:40 am
@Alan, who brought us from out of the dungeon? Dean Lombardi.
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PK Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:17 am
@TYLER, Absolutely. DL is a man on a mission. Be patient grasshopper. It’s now in the hands of the players. DL and TM have put a good plan in place over the years. DL could not predict that Penner would suck this bad. Not to mention he just brought us Richards and Gagne.
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wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:48 am
@Alan,
Yeah, that move to bring in top talent like Richards and create a farm system like we have NEVER had is all DL’s doing. THANK GOD!!!
We have a top end indy car, we just need a driver who can handle it.
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Marbles Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am
@wavesinair,
well said!
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:58 am
@wavesinair, Well stated.
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Brownkingsfan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:02 am
@wavesinair, Agree 100%.
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TYLER Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:20 am
@wavesinair, +1
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Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:24 am
@wavesinair, so let’s run with your indy car analogy – who would be the person to determine the driver of said car? And at what point does that person remover the driver, who has been driving the car for the last 4/5 years (since it was a jalopy on up to its current “top end” billing), and start fresh with a person who has experience driving other cars, but not our top end car? And what is the likelyhood that while the new person gets accustomed to the car, there are several brushes with the wall that facilitate modifications to our top end car until our top end car isnt the top end car that the new driver started with at all, leaving us with a) a better, kind of modified, more top end car or b) something that doesnt resemble the top end car we had started with at all, leaving us clamoring for the days when we had a top end car and our old driver who at least new the ins-and-outs of it and at least gave us a chance to win some races?
As stated before by others, a new driver does not always equate with more wins or better efficiency/production… And more often than not a new driver would not be standing in the winners circle until some seasons into the future. Is it worth taking the step backwards now or keep trudging forward with what we’ve got? I’m not sure how I feel in this respect.
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Lake Forest Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:36 am
@Stuart, whats the warranty of the car and is it US made? wait…..what?
wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:42 am
@Stuart,
The analogy states someone who CAN handle the car, not someone who might be able to. But I get your point and I agree. If this was a horse and you’re crossing a river, then you never switch mid-stream!
But sadly, this indy car is finishing 25th out of 30 cars in time trials (scoring 5on5). Sure, some cars crash and that allows our car to finish in 8th place sometimes, but in the end we still never win the 500 at the brickyard.
So eventually, we will have to replace the driver if this continues. I don’t want to, but it will happen if we keep finishing in the back of the pack.
My vote?
Danica Patrick
Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:46 am
@waves, fair enough, someone who CAN handle would be nice.
not at you, but in general: does someone above the GM ever call for a change? I know it wont be Uncle Phil (doubt he knows what 5-5 is *sarcastically, kinda*) but maybe TL?
wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:00 am
@Stuart,
I’m as cynical as it gets when it comes to AEG owning the Kings (and everything else downtown) but I actually don’t think Lieweekly pulls Dean’s strings. I think TL has his opinions and maybe sometimes tells Dean, but in the end I think TL defers to Dean’s expertise and stands by him.
That said, TL can certainly fire Lombardi whenever he chooses if things go south. That’s sports.
Funny thing is, I think Uncle Phil would call a shot before TL would.
fsd1 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:35 am
@wavesinair, We already have the driver, he just needs to adjust his racing suit
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Looks like Waivers is still on both PP units….
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Losing Voynov seems like a big mistake.
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Brownkingsfan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:03 am
@Randy, Who said anything about losing Voynov? He’s still here, and no apparent deal is going down.
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:23 am
@Randy,
agreed. he is going to be a special dman in the future. giving him up would be kinda crazy imho
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With parity in the league,every move is crucial.If we can add a scorer(Penner or someone else)to this team and play with the energy and intensity from the last game….we will move up the standings.Coaching and GM moves are sooo important this year.Giving up points or games due to wrong moves will bite you in the end.Penner(or ???) added to the third line will help us with secondary scoring.Its our only weakness.We have the D..We have the goalie(s)We have top 6…
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:02 am
@neil, Agree. Looking at the close games we’ve lost, if we had just had 5 timely goals out of our 3rd and 4th lines, we’re one of the top teams in the league. We’re not far off guys. Just needs a tad bit more scoring and we’re in it to win it.
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To keep a spot open for the current lines I say we trade Penner for a parking lot attendant and a hot dog vender to be named later.
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King-C Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:54 am
@Maury, I’d take a bag of peanuts!
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Newf Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am
@Maury, I’m down with that. At least that way if the Kings aren’t scoring you can say ‘but damn this hot dog is good’
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Lake Forest Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am
@Maury, What about that stack of tires?
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:03 am
@Lake Forest, Do they have any tread left? If not, toss in some hubcaps and we have a deal.
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wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:58 am
@Maury,
Sadly, we’ll still need to make a move once Martinez comes back. Who do we ship him off for? Westside Rental Man?
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DesertKing Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:09 am
@Maury,
I was gonna throw in the guy with the turkey baster who works on the net mounting holes in the ice, but the more I watch him work, the more valuable I think he is. Those net posts always fit in those holes!
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SpunkyTheBeagle Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@Maury, I’m partial to Iams myself
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colo king fan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
@Maury,
At least get a bottle of decent hooch out of it.. I’ll settle for some black label.
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Nothing to read into people…they are simply waiting for someone to get hurt first before they activate him
Remember how Colin Fraser was ready was before he was activated?
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I’d like to see more offensive output from Loktionov.
This guy is an offensive player and he’s played well in spurts..but his overall numbers suck!
He’s getting another chance in the NHL, but at some point he needs to take advantage of it and put up numbers.
I was watching some of the Pitt-NYR game last night. The Rangers call up players from the minors who contribute immediately..when was the last time we had a forward come up to the team and make an immediate impact?
It’s time some of these guys do what they were drafted to do..score goals!
ps..please keep this to the player and not include the coach…
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am
@nykingfan,
voynov…
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nykingfan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am
@letswinthecup2012,
I was talking about the forwards in particular.
D’men have done the job for us..Martinez last year..VV this year
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:41 am
@nykingfan,
agreed
Gustavo Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:14 am
@nykingfan,
This team (and this coach) does not allow, encourage or welcomes players who focus on offense first. How can you as not to make comments about the coach when EVERY single offensive player we got is expected to carry a defensive load each and every shift they take?
Change the system to a more offensive balanced approach by all and you’ll see pure offensive players flourish. That’s what Pitt has, and it works great. I honestly think we have just as much, or even more talent in this team than they do.
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nykingfan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:38 am
@Gustavo,
i knew not to even post what I did because of the usual BS..
Nobody is holding anyone down offensively. Does Mike Richards look like a guy who’s offense game is being held down by the coach?
change the system and start losing games 6-5 instead…will that make you happy?
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Jason4Kings Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
@nykingfan, Mike Richards has earned the right to play his game. TM is trying to teach Loktionov how to play both ways, it’s micromanaging that TM feels he needs to do with Lokti (and he’s right). Loktionov is probably concentrating on being where TM wants him, more than playing his instincts because he correctly understands that’s his best chance of staying up. Lewis, for example, stayed on TM’s good side all season last year just doing what he’s asked (that’s obviously changed recently, but it took a long time.) You can’t really use MR as an example, he’s a veteran world class two way center that does it all, and he would have to REALLY fall apart for a long time before being benched or anything, so he gets to play his game. Loktionov hasn’t earned that right yet, but if he plays boring, but positionally sound and responsible for a while he may get there. He also may not get there. You can’t look at his numbers yet, they’re meaningless.
nykingfan Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
@Jason4Kings,
I don’t think so. Loktionov was brought up to add an offensive dimension to this team. You have to be defensively responsible, but I’m talking specifically about his offensive game..inside the opponents blueline.
What I’m really talking bout is his scoring and point production. tghey aren’t mutually exclusive.
You can play both offense and defense. It’s not his 1st time being called up.
Besides the defensive structure is taught throughout the org…that should be second nature to him by now.
Jason4Kings Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
@nykingfan, You may be right, that was just my opinion. They definitely have other options (Lewis, Richardson), so i’m thinking they feel Lokti gives them a better shot at 3rd line scoring. We’ll see if they leave him there. I think Richardson at third center might be worth a shot.
Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:45 am
@nykingfan, Loki had a killer flick from the slot in the last game, but alas it went high and not even recorded as a shot…
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I think the likelihood of a trade with the Yucky-yuck-Suck-sucks is less than the typical, unrealistic trade rumor coming true, which is to say less than 1%.
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DesertKing Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:13 am
@wavesinair,
I agree, but say DL pulls off one of those special deals where the Schmucks trade Ryan to another team for theplayers they need, and then we send players to that team in exchange for Ryan (similar to the Angels sending Napoli to Toronto and then Toronto sending him to Texas). It would be interesting , but as you said, I don’t see it happening. Besides, if that happened, we couldn’t call him “Cryin’ Ryan” anymore
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Dan SanDonkey Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:20 am
@DesertKing, Yes we can
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:21 am
@DesertKing, yeah, we all know how well that trade worked out for the Angels, lol
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DesertKing Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:44 am
@Happy Lappy,
As an Angel fan with “Napoli” on my jersey, I can you tell you that trade was @$%&#@!!!
Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:23 am
@DesertKing, yeah, we know how great that trade was for the Angels, lol.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:24 am
@Happy Lappy, from the department of redundancy department
Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:14 am
@wavesinair, no way we’d ever trade Bernie to the Sucks, that is a disaster waiting to happen, and boy u think this place is negative now!
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Michael J. Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:27 am
@Happy Lappy,
Yup. Then everytime Bernier beats the Kings… Wow!
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:28 am
@Happy Lappy,
yea bernier is too good to give to the sucks!!
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Aren’t the Flames considering the possibility of moving Iginla? He would look good with either Kopi or MR.
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If the Kings trade Bernier to Anaheim, what happens to Poorman?
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Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am
@Michael J., he doesn’t post on here anymore?
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rich hammond board, where everybody is a arm chair gm. the kings have a bad one already, they don’t need more. the trades that some of the people here are too funny.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am
@henry, so u think DL is a bad GM, you must not be a long time Kings fan, I can list the bad ones and DL is the best one we’ve ever had!
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TYLER Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:22 am
@Happy Lappy, +1
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Perro Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:42 am
@Happy Lappy, I think DL is a huge upgrade to what we have had in the past, but in no way do I feel he is one of the best in leaque. Think he is middle of the pack.
Reason for this is I do not believe he has been able to sell big ticket free agents to come play in LA. And the FA’s he has signed he has paid too much for.
He is not the worse but not the best GM out there. I still blame him for Hickey over Alzner as well.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:10 am
@Perro, well, you know how hard it is to sell east coast and Canadian players to come here, you end up with homesick families, no real star status playing here. At this point, if you look at B. Richards decision to go to NY instead of here, was a good one. I can’t blame DL for that, it’s just the reality of our being on the west coast.
henry Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
@Happy Lappy, didnt taylor choose kopitar and brown? i’ve been watching king games since the toranto series in 93. so band wagon isnt a option. thanks to ” dl” we lost blake. imagine him grooming johnson and doughty? say what you want but blake was better than scuderi mitchell and greene. he had larry robinson to show him the ropes. why do you think lombardi lost his job in sj and philly. he get burned by agents and th team suffers. look what happened with dd. open your eyes dont belive blogs remember opinions are like b- holes everybody has one.
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Weasel Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am
@henry,
Do you really think DL is a “bad” GM? I think that’s just nuts. So far I’d have to say that his drafts have been B to B+. His trades have been B+ to A- and even his signings (internal and external) have been spot on A- to A.
Are you that unhappy with Penner perhaps? Consider Penner was a deadline acquisition and that it’s usually a seller’s market at the deadline except for much older players. Penner, while a bit risky, was a good pick up in that situation. He’s young enough to have become a core player had it worked out better. And if it doesn’t work out better during the season they can just let him walk at the end of it. So even if you rate the Penner deal as horrible – what exactly did we give up for him that could have helped the team this year at all?
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henry Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@Weasel, your answering your own question. they knew penner was a “lazy” player. but thats the risk they took. eubert wasnt gonna make the roster. so the 1st rounder stung but that’s the game.
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This is kewl.. Go Kings Go
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Penner trade is coming soon trust me. But it is just going to be to dump him. The kings aren’t getting anything in return.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am
@Dan SanDonkey, pay half his salary and move on, sounds like a win to me.
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wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:26 am
@Dan SanDonkey,
I have a rule. I never trust anyone named Donkey. Sorry.
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Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:27 am
@wavesinair, LMFAO!!! no need for apologies after that one, it’s a solid rule to live by.
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jess Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:31 am
@wavesinair,
That will be my default answer for all questions asked of me for the rest of the day.
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Dan SanDonkey Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:32 am
@wavesinair,
If this site had a search function you’d be able to check some other posts I’ve made. I called a big deal coming up on this site 12 hours before the Richards trade and no one believed me and everyone called me an idiot.
Trust me Penner is gone for roster space and he’s not going to like where he’s going.
That’s all I’m saying.
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wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:46 am
@Dan SanDonkey,
Cool man. But still, I have my rules I live by. Heehaw!!!
wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:53 am
@Dan SanDonkey,
And it wasn’t 12 hours, it was 2 days before your “prediction”
“I’m betting Mr. Lombardi is getting ready to pull the trigger on something big. I just feel it.”
Not much of one if you ask me. Also, no one called you an idiot. In fact most of the responses agreed with you.
http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/06/21/lombardi-on-penners-improvement/#comment-578275
LA_1968 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:15 am
@Dan SanDonkey, To search for your posts type this into google:
site:lakingsinsider.com SanDonkey
wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:29 am
@LA_1968
Or you can go here…
http://deepinsidethekings.com/lakings-insider-search/
Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:33 am
@wavesinair, Hey, i hear his shows in Mexico are quite popular.
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DesertKing Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:45 am
@wavesinair,
Or “Eyeore”
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Weasel Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:27 am
@Dan SanDonkey,
Do you have some insider information or is this your speculation due to the change in his status?
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Dan SanDonkey Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:36 am
@Weasel, I can’t say the internet is a small place
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The idea is to build towards balance in the club, not create another set of lop-sided issues. With that said, DL already got partially burned with edmonton and any trades done will be made very carefully, so don’t expect anything hasty and short-sighted.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:31 am
@jess, true, but, with Penner we’re past the fish or cut bait, CUT BAIT
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jess Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:35 am
@Happy Lappy,
I’m all for ditching Penner in a tactful manner, but not in such a way which will get us another under-performing winger, which lands us back in the bait barge.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:36 am
@jess, I hear you
I HAVE A DREAM……A dream that one day…some day, there are no talks of trades, coaching changes, line changes, or negativity on this blog. A day when we just talk in reality, about actual fatcs, about a win being a win, and a loss just being a loss……I HAVE A DREAM!
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LET’S GO KINGS!!
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Doesn’t an injured player have to come off IR before being traded? And that would necessitate a roster move (ie. Loti being sent down, etc) in the Kings case.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:39 am
@BringBackKingston, I thought he was cleared to play medically, so he can GO, somewhere else I hope.
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Perro Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 10:44 am
@BringBackKingston, I think you are correct but they can get around that. Simply put someone with a two way contract down and then call them back up right after. Not like you actually have to fly them out of town.
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Seems like I’m the only person who thinks Penner is a huge offensive upgrade over either Moreau, Hunter, Richardson, or Lewis. Our second line power play unit with Hunter has been awful.
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Dominick Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:05 am
@Dcaps55,
Lewis, and Richardson aren’t really options on the PP, and Hunter and Moreau have been put there for size, but are out of there element. Penner has a history of being able to produce but has been dealing with injuries so far this season. I think the knee injury had a lot to do with why he was knocked off the puck so easily along the boards (which, judging by past game footage, was always hard to do, wether in Edmonton, or Anahiem), and just when he got healthy and returned to the top 6 with Richards, he got hit by the puck and broke something (I think).
The natives are getting restless (as they should be), but I think the Kings will wait till Penner comes back to see exactly what we have in Penner. I hope for his sake he makes an impact right away, or he’s gonna cause a mutiny with Kingsfans as many will start jumping ship in frustration.
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Gustavo Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:21 am
@Dcaps55,
No, I agree with you. Unlike most people here I still give Penner the benefit of the doubt.
Last season he came in late in the season and completely unprepared to match the system. This season he’s been playing hurt and not producing because of it.
So far, my jury is still out on him until he can play healthy.
Unlike Hunter, Richardson and Lewis who have been healthy all along but have not produced.
Penner before any of those three and let the chips fall where they may.
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I guess I don’t have much company, but I would like to see Penner get another chance. He was doing much better right before his injury. I just don’t want to see him end up on one of our rival teams roster. Plus if you read any of my posts, you know I am always cheering on the underdog and trying to remain positive. If the guy is on our team, I try to stand behind them. However, I don’t have an answer to who goes to make room for him or what line he would work best on.
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KC23 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:59 am
@KFII, Been saying it all along actually. He came in with a bad knee and was weak along the boards which is where he needs to be strong to be effective. This hand injury now has given his knee time to completley heal. I think he’ll come back stronger than we’ve seen him so far … and by a large margin.
If he is not traded that is. Lot of signs that point toward a trade in the works. We’ll see.
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Totally off subject guys, and I apologize in advance…. but is it just me or has Doughty been a huge disappointment thus far this season? He has, what, 1 or 2 goals? Def not worth the 7 million.
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wavesinair Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:07 am
@John,
I’d agree minus the ‘huge’ tag. Disappointment, yes. Huge, no.
With his salary comes responsibility. I believe he embraces it too. So he should be the highest scoring Dman on the team. Period. Right now, he’s 2 points behind JJ but he’s also played 5 fewer games.
We all want DD to be at his best all the time. I think he’ll get there and remain consistent for years to come. But first, he must grow and learn. A lot of players today get paid on potential, not results. DD is the Kings prime example of this.
So he will grow and learn. After all, people seem to forget he is only 21 frickin years old! That is young by any standard, let alone a top end NHL defenseman.
I see no reason to worry whatsoever and have full faith, barring injury, he will meet and exceed all expectations.
Just my 2 cents, but there you go.
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John Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:13 am
@wavesinair, Good response. I see your point and agree. I think part of me wants him to be spectacular, NOW.
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Dominick Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:14 am
@John, Realisticly he’s progressing along fine. If you stop looking at the 7 mill, and judge him as you would any player who missed all of camp, and all the distractions of Europe, and new teammates and such, he’s progressing where he should be. He’s 2nd in scoring among Kings defenseman, and leading not only the entire team, but every player on the ice for both sides, in minutes every night.
Still plenty of hockey ahead of us, and the cream will eventually rise to the top.
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Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:22 am
@Dominick, the hard part about that Dom is that it’s difficult to judge someone like “anybody else” since the missing all of camp was his own doing and demanding to be paid like a superstar automatically moves him into a different expectation leve. If he got paid somewhere near “what everbody else” makes then it would be different. Superstars are not like everybody else, ie-Crosby. And our DD fancies himself a superstar and he has been a “bust” so far for the money he’s collecting. I’m glad he’s leading the team in TOI, but he needs to start standing out in many other facets as well.
Yes there is plenty of hockey left, but the excuses are starting to run out.
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Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:24 am
@Stuart, and before you start defending DD to the teeth, I must agree that “he’s progressing along fine”…3-4 million fine, not 7.
Dominick Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:35 am
@Stuart, Regardless of the money (respectfully). He’s right where he should be. How many players do you see miss all of camp, and what not, and right away skate 27 minutes a game, every night. How many 21 year olds can do that and not get exposed by top end players every night. I can only count on 1 hand how many. DD is a super star already, and 9 years from now, no one will complain that 7 million means the laws of physics, and common sense should not apply.
Stuart Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:48 am
@Dom, so the laws of physics are holding back DD’s play? hmmm, ok.
it’s easy when you say regardless of the money Dom, but the fact is, that it’s not regardless, it’s a beg friggin deal, or he wouldn’t have missed camp.
And I think DD’s been exposed a couple of times already this year. I wish I can see 9 years from now and see which team DD is playing for.
Dominick Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
@Stuart, Well, he’s not playing Norris Trophy caliber, so I understand your frustration, but me personally, I see a player that will only get better. If you can’t see the talent because the caphit is all you see, then hopefully soon DD makes that caphit look like a bargain.
I believe that day will come eventually, and I do believe it will happen this season.
rcinsc Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
@Stuart, There is also the possibility that DD’s first couple of years (OK, the second year) was just a flash in the pan, and the DD we see now is the best we can expect. IMO, many people have an inflated opinion of his worth to this team. I hope he proves me wrong for several years, though.
Gustavo Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 11:27 am
@John,
It is not DD’s minimal scoring production that is hurting the team. It is his lack of focus and undisciplined play that have already cost us points, goals and games.
Turnovers.
Fancy and/or telegraphed pass attempts.
Late game uncalled for penalties.
Playing out of position.
I think his scoring skills and potential are just fine. If he works and improves on the above list, he’ll be a monster D-man. But right now he’s not earning his keep.
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KC23 Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
@John, So far, but there is a lot of hockey left in the season. Lets not count DD out just yet.
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vplaza Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@John,
Put me in for the “disappointed” column. Yeah, he missed camp, yada yada yada.
The fact is, he wanted to be paid elite money but he is NO WHERE NEAR playing at an elite level on the ice. Does this mean the Kings have to eat one year of his $7.5M salary to wait for him to play at the level that he wanted to be paid for?
I’m with Gustavo as well, DD has had too many turnovers, dumb penalties, being schooled by the opponents, etc. In other words, mistakes that you don’t expect your highest paid player to be making.
I’m a realist, though. The Kings are stuck with him and can really only wait for him to get in gear. But bottom line, he isn’t playing at a level that is worth the money he’s being paid right now. Yeah, he’s playing fine….if he was being paid half of what he was getting paid.
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vplaza Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
@vplaza,
*sorry, $7M.
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Dominick Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
@vplaza,
Not that it’s all that big a deal, but did you guys realize that DD’s salary doesn’t actually hit 7 mill till Kopi is up for a raise in 2014-15?
vplaza Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
@Dominick,
To be more accurate, DD’s salary hits $7M in 2014-2015. Kopi’s salary goes like this:
2011-12: $6.4M
2012-13: $6.5M
2013-14: $7.5M
2014-15: $7.5M
2015-16: $7.7M
But cap-hit, DD’s is $7M each year while Kopi’s is $6.8M.
To me, he’s a $7M guy because that’s his annual average salary is. He wanted to be the highest paid King and he got it.
And to reiterate, he’s not playing like a $7M a year player should be playing, IMHO.
I would rather have Parise than Ryan. Wait for the Devils to come calling before you go after Ryan
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