The Kings are coming off a mostly solid victory over San Jose, but going into Thursday, it seems as though one lineup change will be made. Dustin Penner has missed eight games with a hand injury, but has been cleared to play. After today’s lengthy practice, Terry Murray reiterated his plan to get Penner back into the lineup Thursday. Where, exactly, remains to be seen, and that will be interesting given that Murray just shuffled his lines. It’s all but certain that Penner would fit onto one of the top three lines.
MURRAY: “He’s gone through a couple weeks of skating, and the doctors have given him clearance to be able to do everything now. So, I am looking at the next game. I will have an opportunity to talk to him tomorrow. I know everyone is very busy, getting out of the building with the Childrens’ Hospital visit, but he feels confident and he’s ready to go.’’
Question: Have you thought about where he might fit in, or if you might want to ease him back in?
MURRAY: “I don’t want to ease him back in. If he’s going to get in, he’s got to play. He’s been out, he’s been doing all of the skating and all of the drills that the extra players do, who are not in the lineup, and he’s got the green light, emotionally and mentally, to go out and play and he’s got to give us everything. Do things right, do things hard.’’
Question: But you haven’t decided exactly where he might play?
MURRAY: “No, I don’t. The first thing that you have to do is, you have to get a place for him on the roster. He’s got to come off the I.R., so there has to be some kind of decision made here, and that’s something we have to talk about as a (management) group.’’
Answer: Hopefully for a different team.
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ehdx3 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@Tyler, *Capitals
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Hockey & Rocky Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
@ehdx3, We’ll take Ovi.
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ehdx3 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
@Hockey & Rocky, I’d be content with Semin
rogiesbackup Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
@ehdx3, 1st and second line was doing good!!! Had good chemistry, so why change them? Just put Dustin Brown on LWing. It’s the third line that really needs to be tweaked. Looked like Penner was good on the third as well awhile back.
Last night’s line mixed put up a whopping TWO goals.
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@rogiesbackup, against a stingy San Jose team.
Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:02 am
@rogiesbackup, And one of those goals was a one-in-a-hundred odds bad angle shot. But you also have to count Brownies goal which should have counted.
Jeff Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
@Tyler, Penner will be good if he gets the playing time and can stay healthy. We can’t trade him as we can’t get anything worth anything for him back, at this time. The problem he has had is staying healthy and being able to gain chemistry with his linemates.
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Brownkingsfan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
@Jeff, I would argue getting his high cap hit is reason enough to trade him, if for nothing in return. If DL wants another high profile forward, we need cap space.
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tmp32 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
@Jeff, ….and his speed…or lack there of…and his disinterest….and his hands….and his shot…and his…..
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RobSD Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
@Jeff,
Ha is all I have to say. He will be good if…. iffffff… uhhh… if. Penner out last 8 games… Kings are 5-2-1. Any questions?
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Jeff Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@RobSD, How many games have the Kings won against the top teams in the Western Conference?. The Kings need Penner to do well and he should be put in positionto do so. I doubt the DL would trade Penner for nothing and teams aren’t going to trade anything of value for him, when he is a ufa and doing poorly. Best thing is for him to do well and then possibly trade him at the deadline.
5 4 Fighting Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
@Jeff, No he won’t. He’ll be good again when playing for a different team. I don’t mean to sound rude. We’re not getting anything out of him anyways, so may as well send him to Manchester for a conditioning stint for the rest of the year and keep the guys that are producing. My opinion of course.
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Jeff Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
@5 4 Fighting, Just who after Kopi, Richie, Gags, Willie and Brown are producing? Penner played well with Kopi and Willie, they should try that again.
5 4 Fighting Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@Jeff, Or is it Dustin Penner?
Andrei Loktionov 7 GP 0G 2A 2P +/-0 2 PIM
Dustin Penner 14 GP 0G 2A 2P -2 25 PIM
Penner doesn’t suck (currently his stats say otherwise). If he wants to play he can be a force to reckoned with. The problem is he does not seem like he wants to play. I can think of 2 or 3 games that he looked like he was involved but overall he doesn’t seem like he wants to be on the ice. I hope he’ll prove me wrong, he can be a monster if he wanted
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:05 am
@5 4 Fighting, Yea, a cookie monster.
Alex Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
@Tyler Hopefully with Kopitar and let see if Kopi can start him up. If not than we can think about Semin or whatever.
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Mars Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
@Tyler, I think he would be playing his best in the press box.
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Harty Reply:
December 1st, 2011 at 10:14 am
@Tyler, try out the door
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sounds like TM has lost all patience with Penns, and I don’t blame him at all.
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Most likely Loktionov will be back in Manchester. Or not, who knows.
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fuzzerson Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
@Räikkönen, Clifford could use a spell in Manchester. Send him down for a couple of weeks, penner can play left wing on that Loki, Willie line.
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The KHL?
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The El Cid Lounge?
Sorry…just had to….
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variable Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
hehe…
exactly two blocks from where i live in silverlake…(!)
i don’t think they have a spot for him on their roster either…
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I will take Penner over Hunter on the 1st line.
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Niko Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
@krash324, I like that move too, scratch Hunter
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tmp32 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
@krash324, can you believe that you are even talking about either of those stiffs on our first line?? When was the last time that either of those stiffs belonged on anyone’s top line. You realize we got Hunter for a bag of old pucks, and Tambellini put something in DL’s drink just to consider getting Penner. Please…..
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McCheese Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
@tmp32, Hey, lighten up! We had to give up a skate sharpener and 3 used goalie sticks along with those pucks.
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Alex Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
@tmp32, Sorry but Penner and Kopi had a very good chemistry before Kopi got injured. I would try this again. Kopi is one who can start him up.
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Bama Kings Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
@krash324, It’s a no brainer to move Hunter out and put Penner in…. Penner has been dreadful, but was starting to not look like a complete waste.
In the off chance he does get his game going, he has much more upside than Hunter does, which is none.
You gotta put Hunter out and Penner in. . . It might take a game or two, but he’ll be in the top six at least one more time.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
@Bama Kings, I’ll tell you that any positive we get out of him will be a surprise to me, but frankly, if he started playing at a 20 goal pace, I’d be ecstatic.
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john shaw Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 7:47 am
@Bama Kings, Total agree, a chance to accelerate…GKG.
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Resedakingsfan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
@krash324, I agree. Hunter hasn’t done much of anything, and at least Kopi and Pens had a bit of chemistry last season before Kopi got hurt. Let’s see if they can pick it up again since TM hasn’t put Kopi and Pens on the same line yet this year. I know a lot of people on this site have been down on Pens, but I would like to see him succeed, since he’s still a King at this point.
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Alex Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
@krash324, 100% agree.
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Mars Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
@krash324, Not sure there still, I really dislike Penner, he has to do a lot to sway my vote over anyone else. Moreau used to be below Penner, but the last game swapped that a bit, but even Moreau still has a long road of redemption to go too.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:09 am
@Mars, Moreau gets lucky and scores one bad angle goal (goalie would want that one back) and now he’s elevated? What next, we put him with Penner on the top line?
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This player may very well be the lynchpin to a successful 2011-12 season. We all, as Kings fans, should want to see him succeed!
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fsd1 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
@tornado12, Agree!, I still have high hopes for him, he might just be the missing part and the one who completes this team. I dont want him traded yet and I dont see it happening.
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tornado12 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
@fsd1, DL has a plan and part of that plan includes players playing up to their expectations. He is too good a player (as evidenced by his past numbers in the best hockey league in the world!) to go on struggling like he has been. Agreed some players dont fit in well with systems or whatnot, but I believe this is where the coaching staff comes into play and places the players in the best position to succeed!
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colo king fan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
@tornado12,
I do. I just don’t believe I will. I love eating crow, but Pens has to cook it up for me.
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tornado12 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
@colo king fan, lets hope you got some Frank’s Redhot sauce…I put that (stuff) on everything!
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colo king fan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
@tornado12,
I have more varieties of hot sauce in my fridge lol.. sriracha, franks, 2 kinds of valentinas, choolula, tapatio, bout 8 variets of tabasco, louisiana hot sacue…
variable Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@tornado12,
i really hope it doesn’t become a wade redden-like situation and we end up paying him the rest of his salary as an manchester monarch…
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tornado12 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@variable, at least it would only be for the rest of the season. I dont think that will happen though. If it happens it doesnt affect the salary cap, if im not mistaken. Its always easy to spend other people’s money of course
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variable Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
@tornado12,
we can only hope he comes back and plays with the heart of a lie-onn…
Mars Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
@tornado12, I agree, but my patience is nearly exhausted, same with Moreua. I never want to see anyone fail, I want the best for the team, but there comes a time to say enough is enough.
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Penner seems to be known as the new Westy on this blog.
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Sebastian Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@KingsGuy, more like the new Jeremy Roenick…quick someone check whos in change of sharpening penners skates.
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RobSD Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
@KingsGuy,
Westy has more goals and more points in less games. Westy actually hustles and has heart. Westy is bigger than Penner and moves way faster.
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petemagoop Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
@RobSD,
DUSTIN PENNER 6′ 4″ 242
KEVIN WESTGARTH 6′ 4″ 234
they’re both big boys
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5 4 Fighting Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
@KingsGuy, Please don’t insult Westie like that.
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Good win…But! We can’t be an elite team and take so many penalties and expect to get away with it. We got lucky they didn’t score. The outcome could have been very different…should I mention the last Dallas game. Also, our offense evaporated in the 3rd. That can’t happen if expect to win tight games. Quick should be in net. Hopefully Murray doesn’t kill our mojo with questionable calls.
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Jeff Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
@O-Dawg, Our team is fine. We have the defense and the goaltending, just need to get the offense going more consistently. Plus we need those guys in slumps to start producing every now and again. Our PK is good, just need to get our PP back to where it was earlier. The Dallas game was an anomaly how it ended. Every team goes through slumps during an 82 game season, it is those teams that are good that can limit them and pull out fast enough when they happen. I rather the Kings struggle now, especially with the travel schedule they had to start the season, then to do so in the 2nd half.
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zulov Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
@O-Dawg, Our offense didn’t quite eveporate – they actually scored and it got called back (unfairly).
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Put him in for Hunter and let it ride!
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Sadly, I think Lokti will be sent back to Manchester, because Murray won’t give up on Hunter for some reason only known to him.
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99musicman Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
@Oz67,
Love that response–”won’t give up on Hunter for some other reason only known to him”…LOL!..what a move DB did last night on that overturned goal
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Ian Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
@99musicman, They stole one from his highlight reel.
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Jeff Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
@Oz67, Hunter has scored 20 goals twice and 16 another year in his career, what exactly has Lokti done?
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zulov Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
@Jeff, 20 twice 16 once does not a first liner make.
Lokti is a rookie -
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Jeff Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
@zulov, I admit Hunter isn’t a first liner per se, but he has a history in the NHL of scoring goals.
Bama Kings Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
@Jeff, Not missed two open nets this season to start…
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:18 am
@Jeff,
With Hunter playing his entire career on the east coast, I don’t think many of us know much about Hunter. Obviously DL and team management must know what he’s capable of.
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I say we put him in the spot where the brightest light can shine on him. That way we can settle this once and for all. We don’t need a $4M 3rd liner, we need to force him to go one way or another, and then decide from there and move on.
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99musicman Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@Hockey & Rocky,
AGREED!…Put up (numbers)..or Ship out!…with that said:
Penner/Kopi/Brown
Gagne/Richards/Williams
Clifford*/Stoll/Loki
Moreau/Fraser/Lewis or Richie
*(Cliffy still looks lost to me..a couple bigs hits in most games..then dissapears…might have overachieved last year?)
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Mars Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
@Hockey & Rocky,
Actually that does make the most sense. It’s time to go big or go home with Penner.
BUT I hate to mess with what was working (for a game anyways)
Oh the conundrum.
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StankBloat Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
@Hockey & Rocky, I like it ! It is time to sink or swim. I hope he turns his game on and doesn’t look back……..
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:29 am
@Hockey & Rocky, Thanks for adding some reason to this thread. DL traded for him so he’s what we got. His salary handcuffs the situation. No one will take Penner as it is (injuerd, not performing, conditioning issues, etc). So it’s up to Kings management to try and get their $4m+ guy to perform. I see all kinds of threads on here about trading for Iginla, Semin, etc. Even if we were to trade Penner for Semin, we would still have to find a way to open up an additional $2-3m in cap space to be within the cap. I don’t see Dustin Penner going anywhere.
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So more than likely Lotki goes down, is there any chance in letting him try that natural center role a bit longer?
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KingsGuy Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@Arun, Why? Stoll has to take his faceoffs anyways… See ya Lotki!
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Arun Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
@KingsGuy, No I agree with the move, just ranting that it would be nice to learn if Lotki can survive as a third line center or start playing better as a winger because I don’t see us letting him play center on the top 6 anytime soon. But for arguments sake I’d put my money on him getting a goal well before Trent Hunter.
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KingsGuy Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
@Arun, Ya, sad, I don’t know if he’s gonna make it on this team.
Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:32 am
@Arun, I think Lokti might be part of a trade if they pull one off. I don’t think he plays well under Murray’s system. He’d probably do a lot better elsewhere.
It’s kind of humorous, actually. Most will remember the last couple seasons being a problem for the Kings at left wing. So many left wingers have been through this organization and weren’t the “right guy.” Hell, when Penner was brought in, he was supposed to plug the hole in left wing.
Now, the most straightforward thing to do is to put Brownie, who the Kings have had all that time, back on the right, to accommodate Penner’s placement on the left, but now all of a sudden, Brownie might turn out to be better at left wing.
How crazy is that?!
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variable Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
hehe…
that is funny…(!)
however we get there…whatever it takes…and whomever it takes…
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PP Anybody? Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, My name on here used to be LW Anybody?
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:36 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, I think it shows Murray’s stubborn and thinks players need to adapt to what he believes. Any decent business manager (same as a coach) should know the skills of his team and should use those skills where they add the most value. Not where he “wants” them to play.
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I think Penner should skate on the left with Kopitar and move Brown to the right and get rid of Hunter.
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rumpa#19 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@Mike S., Most likely you will get what you want,it is the obvious choice.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:37 am
@Mike S., I say flip Penner and Brown and you have the first line.
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Penner and Bernier for Parise and Hedberg. Kings get the added scoring they need and NJ gets their goalie of the future to replace Brodeur plus they can dump Penner’s salary at the end of the season for cap room they desperately need to start looking towards their future. I’ve been predicting this trade since before the season started and believe it’s only a matter of time before it goes down.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@tylock07, Thats not enough for a player of Parise’s calibre. NJ would never go for it.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:38 am
@VanKingsFan, Yea, they’d want one of our young studs to offest taking Penner off our hands.
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DanD Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
@tylock07, lol, sounds like you have the inside information we all crave. Any other trades we should know about before they happen?
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Brownkingsfan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
@tylock07, Hedberg has a ntc. Besides, his cap hit is low enough and his performance is great. Penner hasn’t shown to be valuable. So my question is, what’s in it for NJ? There is NO WAY I make that trade if I’m the Devils GM.
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Jay GoLAKings Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
@tylock07, The Kings can make thier bid for him next year…
Pending unrestricted free agent Zach Parise will assess his future with the New Jersey Devils at the end of the season.
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Shotongoal Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
@tylock07, sounds like a great trade for your NHL 12 roster! Game on, game player!!!
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puck73 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
@tylock07, Thanx for trying to help me out, I can use all the help I can. Respectfully Yours, Lou Dumboreillo, General Manager on a sinking ship named The USS Vanderpuke, and the 1st class Gilligan of this here vessel, Ilya Kovalspank.
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alex101 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
@puck73, I see a trade happening with Washington. Their need for goaltending begs Bernier. I do not know what caliber of player we could get for him but I have a hunch, gonna go to washington.
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Mars Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
@tylock07, I know it will be hard to keep Quick and Bernier, but I hope we do, love em both. Hard to keep two great goalies. (yeah yeah slam me with stats; I see greatness with both and have high hopes for both too)
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:40 am
@Mars, I agree. Both are franchise goalies.
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Penner in on the 1st line. There is no point in playing him anywhere else. I agree with Murray when he says, “I’m not easing him back in”. This guy is getting paid to put the puck in the net. Get in there and earn your paycheck.
Hopefully in the shuffle, we get Stoll back to 3rd line C, and Williams up to 2nd line RW.
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variable Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
@Helvetica,
he needs a top-six role, but he needs to deserve to be there, too…
that’s the predicament…
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Helvetica Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
@variable, I agree, but… if thats the stance were going to take, who else deserves to be there? If were going strictly on effort, then the hell with it… put Fraser up there. I just don’t see any reason, at this point in the season, to have Penner down on the 3rd line. He’s getting paid to score goals. He’s not a rookie. He’s got the credentials. So, get in there and start scoring. No excuses anymore.
All he’s going to do down on the 3rd line is work on his defensive responsibilities. We’ll hear Murray talk about how all he’s looking for is to see Penner put in the work, raise his compete, blah blah blah… and in the back of everybody’s heads, there will be the “but he was down on the 3rd line, so what do you expect” excuse when he doesn’t score.
I think what this team needs is a healthy dose of “stfu and play”, and Penner is going to be the poster boy.
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variable Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
@Helvetica,
sure you give him a chance…and he is gonna get yet another try at making his mark…
i’m starting to fear that we are getting closer to a frolov situation again…
Helvetica Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
@Variable, I dunno what to make of this team right now. I’m not sold on pinning our problems all on Murray. If i was going to cut him, it would be because he seems incapable of keeping the boys focused and organized consistently, rather than hating his system. But these guys are professional hockey players and they should be able to adjust to whatever system is thrown their way. They need to be capable of adjusting and raising their game to suit the situation. If that means being in great shape, playing more physical than they are used to, and generally being more than a 1-dimensional hockey player, then so be it.
Penner, to me, is well beyond being the next Frolov. He can either be part of the team, suck it up, and start busting his ass, or he can expect to be traded at the deadline and he can finish his remaining years out with a bottom feeding team for much less than hes making now.
We need guys willing to do whatever it takes to win.
Sorry for the rant.
Mars Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
@Helvetica, I do agree that our guys should be able to adjust, make work what they are given, but at the same time, the coach should know the limits and know the limitations, and use the strengths of what he has. It really is a double edged sword.
I think the last line changes did show the players want it and seem less frustrated, they had the heart and drive they were missing in a few games, NOW what got them there is the question, Frustration? Elation? That is what I want to know.
observation from last night…Iam impressed by how the Kings fans treated the Shark fans.Nothing wrong with respect from both sides. Another observation….The Kings defense seemed more involved on the offense.I never really seen Mitchell make and/or skate like he did right before Richards goal.Also JJ had a great move and shot. With Quick being Quick…our defense can join the rushes now and then.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
@neil, Yeah, I really liked Mitchell’s game last night. He definitely was pressing up into the play just a little bit, which was a nice change for the Kings D. I’d wish the D had a little more freedom, system wise, to be able to make their own reads and jump up a little more to support the attack. There is plenty of room for this team to go from taking no chances, to taking a few low risk ones, and like you said, Quicky is always back there just in case.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:43 am
@PP Anybody?, Mitchell is a beast. I sure hope we can re-sign him.
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something’s gotta give…
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:44 am
@variable, Probably Lokti. Or we make a trade. I don’t see any other options.
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Keep Lokti up, sit Clifford, put Penner with Lokti and Williams. Other than that keep the lines the same. If you want Cliffy in so badly its 4th line duty for him.
Gotta give Lokti a chance to do something at Center.
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AZ King Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
@zulov,
Do you mean send Clifford to Manchester? Actually not a bad idea. If you kept him on the fourth line then who do you put on waivers?
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Harty Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
@AZ King, no trade Cliffie……let him come east so family and friends can watch
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IMO Penner doesn’t play well when he is under preasure. With the Quacks, he was a second liner, with all of the preasure to score on their big 1st line. With the Oils, there was no preasure cuz they were the bottom of the league then.
Put him on the 3rd line and just let him play and get his game back.
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PCloadletter Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Penner played with Perry and Getzlaf so I am unsre which big 1st line you are referring too? ….Selanne, Andy McDonald and Kunitz?
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KC23 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
@zulov, Penner’s got a ring playing on the first line of a cup winner. There is no way we can make that fact anything other than what it is. No other player on our current roster can say that.
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408kingsfan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
@KC23, I used to have hot babes trying to beat my door down every night but those days are gone.
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Mars Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
@408kingsfan, That is by far the best argument ender ever.
He either puts out or gets out (to stick with the line of commenting)
Duckbasher Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am
@408kingsfan, That sure puts it in perspective. Only thing is… Penner should be in his prime right now.
Mike Richards will be on nhl live in 3mins
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colo king fan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
@Harry,
thanks for the heads up! turned it on and also found out the MTL game on Saturday will be on HHL Network! AWESOME!!!
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Harry Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
@colo king fan,
yep, np. I know, hopefully it won’t be a black out for the folks in So Cal. Although the game is scheduled to be on FSN
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I say put him on the first line for a stretch of games. Sink or swim this time. His play this year, while not as disastrous as last year’s play, is not really worth a lot of praise. Just a few instances of “good play”, with lots of instances of “what the heck”.
If he can’t get going given the talent around him, then he’s definitely not worth what they’re paying him.
I said at the beginning of the year that he deserved a chance, but with a quarter of the season done, the number of games left for him to try to make an impact should be fewer and fewer.
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mike richards on nhl live as we speak, talking to ej and billy p…
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Well of course we all want him to succeed but Penner seems to be an enigma.
There seems to be no chemistry so far. So if it’s no longer his conditioning, what else is it?
Is he not working hard enough?
Is he not emotionally in the game?
Is it the “system”
He has proven he can get some scrappy goals around the net (on other teams). Nothing flashy but effective.
If being in a contract year doesn’t motivate him, I’m not sure what it is.
This is a total head scratcher. But this isn’t the first time a player who was scoring on other teams has come here only to hit a brick wall.
I remember…
Steve Heinz
Anson Carter
Mark Parrish
Peter Klima
Poni
Just to name a few
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thrustable Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
@bitter, goes both ways…im sure there are many players who left the kings and didn’t amount to much. Patrick O’Sullivan?
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fsd1 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Sean Avery, John Seymour, Brent Sopel, Konstatine Pushkarev, Matty Nordstrum, Jason Ward, Evgeni Federov, Modry, Brad Stuart, Aubin, Cammalleri, TJ Fast, Lubo, Patrik Hersley, Ned Lukacevic, lauri Tukonen, Jason Lababara, and so many others but at this point i dont want any of them back.
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5 4 Fighting Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
@bitter, Don’t forget Jeremy Ronick
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g smith86 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
@5 4 Fighting, yea or Cliff Roenning
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5 4 Fighting Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
@g smith86,
Remeber Olli Jokinen?
I can’t belive we are still even saying the word Penner. He is a non-factor to the teams success.
We all had high hopes but it’s time to stick a fork in him. As soon as someone can prove me wrong I will be right here to defend my position on this matter.
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fsd1 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
@408kingsfan, Not quite time yet. He gets a shot without being injured.
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408kingsfan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
@fsd1, Its a continuous loop of BS. Either he’s always injured or always sucking. Either way, he is not fit to play for the Kings. Not with the expectations as high as they are.
Go Kings!
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g smith86 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
@408kingsfan, Unfortunately, if I read him correctly, Penner “is going to play”. So we must assume from that that somebody else is going
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I love how Murray acts as if they haven’t discussed what to do with PENNER…Penner is not the issue here…the issue is who do you send down or place on waivers…IMO it will be Hunter who waves bye bye
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RobSD Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
@g smith86,
Hunter was just promoted to the first line…
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g smith86 Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
@RobSD, Do you really think of that as a top line? Sure Kopi is a top line center…one of the best centers in this league…But Brownie is not a top line forward and certainly Hunter isn’t…I just don’t think he has shown enough to validate himself…Neither has Penner but penner has big contract for this year…who is going to want him in a trade?
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kingarella Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 2:06 am
@RobSD, the first line was demoted to Hunter
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i like the kings are koul
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408kingsfan Reply:
November 29th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
@nofreight, yeah me too
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DAMMIT TM! Stop screwing with me! Can’t you see Penner is no good for us.
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He said it- he is going to play- so who else other than Penner do you want off the team? Hunter? Moreau? Loktionov? Voynov? Martinez? Drewiske? Cuz that’s what were looking at…Penner has to show it now…He will be on that top line with KOPI…no more excuses now
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Anywhere but LA!!!
Waive that waste of a roster spot!!!
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Penner is a bum, trade him, sit him, bench him, pressbox him but don’t let him play……….
Is anyone really watching these games to witness his pathetic play, is everyone that far off base to think this guy can help.
HE’S USELESS
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Come on TM. Don’t do this to us. right before xmas???? Scroooge!!!
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oooooh, I know, Manchester or Ontario needs a forward.
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I’ll put serious money on the table that Penner gets traded at the deadline for a late round pick.
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Why is it when guys come here to play they immediately begin underachieving?? Let’s take Ryan Smyth for example. While he had decent numbers with the Kings (22 & 23 reg season goals) but already this year he has 12 goals and 12 helpers with the Oilers!! What the heck has happened to Penner you ask? Well that is a mystery for sure. What do you want to bet if DP was traded tomorrow he would have an immediate impact where ever he goes? It’s an absolute certainty he would all of a sudden turn back into a 30-goal scorer
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I think the best place for Dustbin Penner is in the press box, if not in Winnipeg.
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petemagoop Reply:
November 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am
@deadcatbounce, on my tv the jets are the 2nd most viewed team -tremendous speed and Pavelec is pretty darn good between the pipes IMO – being from Winkler, Penner would probably enjoy playing there
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