Doughty fined $2,500 for hit « LA Kings Insider

Doughty fined $2,500 for hit

Posted by Rich Hammond on 23 November 2011, 10:42 am

The NHL has announced — news release here — that Drew Doughty has been fined $2,500 for his hit last night on St. Louis’ T.J. Oshie. That’s the maximum fine allowed under the collective-bargaining agreement. Doughty, who received a minor cross-checking penalty on the hit, will not be suspended.

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Helvetica says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:43 am

queue the comments about his new paycheck

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jess Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:21 am
@Helvetica, LOL

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UglyinLA Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:57 pm
@Helvetica,

Drew Doughty will not be suspended ?? Why punish our goalies, they did nothing wrong.

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bonvivant1 says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:44 am

That’s more than I make in two weeks. I even have an advanced education.

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Gokings Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 am
@bonvivant1, You need a new job.

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BigMikeOnD Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:08 am
@bonvivant1, Ouch. Time for a career change. How do you live in the LA area?

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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:47 am
@BigMikeOnD, “How do you live in the LA area”….It called not living in the Beach cities! (Carson, Lomita, Harbor City, Lawndale, Hawthorne, Gardena, are a few examples of areas were you dont need to make 50K+ a year to live) They arnt the ritziest thats for sure but you do what you got to do.

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Gustavo Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
@BrokeKingsFan,

War zone lifestyle, uh?

bonvivant1 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
@BigMikeOnD, Fortunately I do not live in the L.A. area. I love L.A. but it is too expensive for my beer income. I live comfortably in AZ.

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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:56 am
@bonvivant1, Im with ya Bro! I dont call my BrokeKingsFan for nothing. I dont have an advanced eduacation though (at least not one that employers recognize). As sad as it may seem im very pridefull in my ability to take what i got, make the most of it, and be a contributing member of society and still maintaining a quality life. $$$ inst everything in this world!

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alex101 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, I’m 19.. in college. Can someone with a high income please respond to these people and give me some hope.

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LB Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:25 pm
@alex101,
Choose a major that will lead directly to a career such as engineering or pre-med…nothing wrong with a major in something like English or Sociology, but don’t expect to find good employment opportunities when you graduate.

Sloracer Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 pm
@alex101, Money isn’t everything… I have a degree and make a decent amount of money (nothing crazy, but enough to live comfortably, see some hockey games, and put away some dough at the same time). The job itself is what I enjoy… I’ve been fortunate enough to land a job as a racecar engineer and that’s been my motivation more so than income.

alex101 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 5:35 pm
@alex101, thanks a lot. I think those are both good points. Just need to get better at math!
LB says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:44 am

Only got to see the highlights last night, what are the new D pairings?

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jayhay says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:45 am

is he going to be considered a “repeat offender” moving forward?

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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:48 am
@jayhay, Doesn’t that usually go for the guys who get themselves suspended?

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jayhay Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:52 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, thats what i’m wondering, next time there’s a borderline hit, is his margin of error going to be that of a ‘repeat offender’?

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Michael_DD8 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 am
@jayhay,

I believe that title only comes when a suspensions is warranted.

What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:56 pm
@ Michael_DD8, Yes, that IS what I was getting at.

jayhay Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:20 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, “not a repeat offender but pretty damn close” Ray Ferraro on TSN radio Toronto 1 minute ago

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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:58 pm
@jayhay, I don’t even know what that means. You are or aren’t. He didn’t get suspended, and next time will be the first time. I would like Shanahan to comment on these things, though.

furrylats Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Maybe, but I know in legal matters they have things like extenuating circumstances they may either mitigate or increase the severity of a punishment.

In this case the moustache may put him in the category where he is, indeed, a repeat offender.

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Sloracer Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:56 pm
@furrylats, HAHAHAHA

mash-ola Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 1:30 pm
@jayhay, If it or anything like it happens again, I’m sure the league will note last night’s incident as a factor as to what kind of discipline should be handed out.

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McCheese Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:23 pm
@jayhay, he should be eligible for suspension now if it happens again. Much like the boarding call in the Pens game a few weeks ago ( on Moreau I believe ). He’s now eligible for suspension should it happen again to him.

They should have fined him an extra $2500 for a stupid play as well.

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Eric says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:45 am

The amount of the fine is not fair proportionally to a particular player’s salary. A player that makes $600k is fined the same amount as a player that makes $7 million? They need to change that in the next CBA.

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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 am
@Eric, Trying to think of a good analogy to disagree with you ….

that is like saying, well this guy is only 21 years old, we can give him 30 years in prison. And for the same crime, we will give this man 10 years in prison because he is 50 years old. So proportional to the time he has left in the world lets take away more from the person he has more.

Same crime, same punishment.

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Steve S. Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 am
@VanKingsFan, Or speeding in a Bentley vs. an Impala

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bonvivant1 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:00 am
@Steve S., I’ll take an Impala over a Bentley any time of day. I would not want to be seen driving in a Bentley in the future. A turbulent storm is coming.

coolhwip Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:56 am
@VanKingsFan, Totally agree. You can’t fine a player based on how much he makes.

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bbb7 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:57 am
@coolhwip, I think you can and they do: a player who is suspended for 2 games and makes $7mil a year pays a bigger ‘fine’ (loss of income) that one who makes $600,000

Steve W Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:40 pm
@coolhwip, They do that in Finland. Selanne was once fined the equivalent of $10,000 or more, for speeding in his Ferrari.

What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 1:00 pm
@coolhwip, You can’t? People who haven’t even HURT anyone are being taxed based on how much they make.

wavesinair Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 am
@Eric,

Fair. That’s pretty funny. So less than 1/2 of a percent of a salary for an illegal hit.

How about we do that for traffic tickets too?

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Helvetica Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:03 am
@Eric, I’ve already sen discussions regarding this very issue. I would expect it to be fixed in the next CBA negotiations. The real issie to me, isn’t that the fine is disproportional (although i do believe that shoudl be fixed), but that $2500 is NOTHING to these players. It’s like, less than the bar tab on a night out at the club.

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jimbo1007 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
@Helvetica, $2500 to a guy who makes $7mil is the same as $25 to someone who makes $70,000

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furrylats Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@jimbo1007, Helvetica is right. Consider: guys in the NFL getting fined $15,000-$25,000 for bad hits without getting suspended. The league is not saying that the hits are bad, but the behavior warrants attention. I think the NHL is doing a better job of sending the message that these fines and/or suspensions are made with the intent of eliminating dangerous plays from the game. Shanahan has been consistent, for now, regarding the goal of these punishments is to help the players understand that these suspensions are for the players’ benefit.
John says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:47 am

I didn’t see the play in the 3rd… does the group here think it really was a bad hit?

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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 am
@John, It was a penalty, and completely unnecessary. Not a suspension worthy hit

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nykingfan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:00 am
@VanKingsFan,
agree!

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nykingfan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:02 am
@VanKingsFan,
Not sure about the unnecessary part of it though.
It was in the heat of battle with the puck in our zone as time was running out. He was doing whatever was necessary to make sure the guy wasn’t coming out of the corner.
Based on the time remaining, I would probably agree, but he didn’t know how much or little time was left.

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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:05 am
@nykingfan, You are correct, he wanted to stop him from coming out of the corner, but he should pinned him against the boards with a bear hug or something rather than a dangerous play like that.

IIShort Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:38 am
@nykingfan, Isn’t knowing how much time is left on the clock part of a hockey players job, especially as a D in this situation (1 goal lead w/time running out)?

I play D on much much smaller scale, but feel it’s my job to keep timing in my head for myself & my team!

nykingfan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 am
@IIShort ,

noknow…You should know when it’s late in a game..but to ask a player to know whether there’s 2 seeconds or a 50 seconds when he’s battling for a puck in the corner is asking way too much of anyone.

IIShort Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:07 pm
@nykingfan, I didnt see the game just saw the highlights so i will have to agree w/your reply, but there definitely should have been different defensive techniques applied in that situation…..i believe just from what i saw in the highlight & thinking like a D that he knew the clock or (once again my opinion) he wouldve gotten more agressive defensively

What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 1:01 pm
@nykingfan, When is a cross-check, away from the crease, “necessary?”

PRMan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
@VanKingsFan, I wouldn’t say unnecessary. The hit was to keep him from having the room to backhand the puck into the slot. It was very effective from that standpoint. The only problem is that Doughty was far enough away from the boards that it didn’t quite work out.

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nykingfan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:57 pm
@PRMan,
In a way it did work out. The puck never came out from the corner. Also by the time the ref blew the whistle for the penalty, several seconds ran off while St. Louis was playing a man short. (The guy DD knocked down)
In the end he got a 1.4 second penalty..even if the D’men don’t come in, what are the chances they’re scoring on a faceoff with that much time left?
I had no problem with how it all worked out.

370455vinSD Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 am
@John, Quick cross check to the back but in a dangerous area. Oshie ended up with his face plastered to the transition between the glass and the boards so it could have been bad injury-wise. But no harm done.

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TradedForAPick Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:27 am
@John,
A hit against Oshie is never a bad hit

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Dan H. Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:57 am
@TradedForAPick,

I can’t say I agree. then again I have him on my fantasy league team.

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Tullskull Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@John, If you mean by bad hit an immature cheap shot then yes. Totally unnecessary and not even a good hockey play.

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DanD says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:47 am

A $2,500 fine to one who makes $7 mil per year is the equivalent of a $17.85 fine to one who makes $50K per year.

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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 am
@DanD, I agree with you in spirit, but not in fact. Doughty won’t be playing hockey when he’s 55.

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370455vinSD Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:56 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Let’s say his $56m is spread over a 40 year career. That is still $1.4 million a year which would still make $2500 chump change. Plus chances are he will still have some kind of job when he is 55 so there will still be more income on top of his NHL money. That being said I think the punishment was appropriate. First time offender, he wasn’t trying to rip Oshie’s head off, etc.

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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 1:02 pm
@370455vinSD, That’s why I agreed in SPIRIT and NOT in FACT.
VanKingsFan says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:50 am

After Drew got his penatly with 1.5 seconds to go… why was the faceoff moved outside of the Kings zone?? Anyone??

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michael Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:54 am
@VanKingsFan, the defenseman came in from the blue line

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fsd1 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 am
@VanKingsFan, because the defensemen joined the scrum.

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Hit Him!! Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 am
@VanKingsFan, Probably becasue of the scrum that ensued after the hit.

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kozak Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 am
@VanKingsFan, because Blues D-Men left their positions and joined the ‘altercation’

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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:03 am
@everyone, Thanks everyone, didn’t know that was the rule.

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jayhay Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 am
@VanKingsFan, Blues dmen left the blueline to get in scrum

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Eric Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:56 am
@VanKingsFan, The Blues’ defensemen got involved in the scrum. Anytime a defenseman gets involved in a scrum in the offensive zone, the faceoff gets moved outside. Even when a powerplay is about to begin.

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Sebastian Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 am
@VanKingsFan, Didnt their D-men join the ensuing scrum in the offensive zone?

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RobSD Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:58 am
@VanKingsFan,

That perplexed me as well. Anyone know why?

Doughty makes that in about 45 seconds of ice time.

7 million a year is approximately 86k a game. He plays about 25 minutes a game which is 3500 a minute.

He makes more in 1 minute than I do a month.

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Helvetica Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 am
@RobSD, While I agree with your sentiment, i doubt you work 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week. He is also getting paid for his time in practice. So, technically, your math is faulty. =P

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RobSD Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:10 am
@Helvetica,

Touche!

bobknob Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 am
@RobSD,
Do thousands of people pay a hundred bucks to watch you work?

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neil Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@VanKingsFan, I know the answer!!!!! Thats cause I asked the same question last night….You can learn at any age!!!(53)

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Chris Bond says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:53 am

Thats like 8 trips to the sperm bank, I would be tired.

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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 am
@Chris Bond, and yet satisfied….

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coolhwip says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:53 am

@John, Punishment fits the crime here. Moderately dangerous hit by Drew.

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Itsari says:

November 23, 2011 at 10:54 am

My guess is that the St. Louis defensemen jumped into the scrum after the hit. Would need to see a replay to confirm though

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RobSD Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:01 am
@Itsari,

Yeah… I think you’re right.

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nykingfan says:

November 23, 2011 at 11:05 am

Good ruling by the league.
Borderline..perhaps, but I didn’t think it wa a suspendable offense.
He’s never been that kind of player and I don’t believe the intent was to injure. The point during which it occured and where the puck was I believed factored into the decision.

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wavesinair Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 am
@nykingfan, right on cue…

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bbb7 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:00 pm
@nykingfan, Agree about this instance but DD to me DOES seem to have a touch of that kind of player, ie, the vicious crosscheck against Vancouver. He from time to time gets that ‘wild man’ look, where revenge is the only thing on his mind for a little while. He still has a lot of growing to do.

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Osaka Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:44 pm
@nykingfan, I agree it was a good call.

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wavesinair says:

November 23, 2011 at 11:06 am

Lots and lots of people were mistaken about Doughty getting suspended. I loved KC23′s repeated “Classic Shanahan suspension material” …uh, not so much, eh? LOL.

I only saw 2 people say he wouldn’t get one… California Royalty & nykingfan

Congratulations! You win nothing.

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TradedForAPick Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:33 am
@wavesinair,
It’s how the league tends to work:
1: Are they a goon, superstar, role player or Sean Avery?
2: Was the result an injury, blood everywhere, nothing at all, or replayed endlessly on ESPN?
3: Was it from a hard hit, a fight, incidental contact, or some profane gesture or comment?

Goons get suspended always, superstars get fined at most, role players get suspended sometimes, and Sean Avery is sent to therapy. Boston players never get anything.

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Gizmo Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 am
@TradedForAPick, I take it you’ve seen Down Goes Brown’s suspension flow chart. Funny, but way too true.

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nykingfan Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
@wavesinair,
that’s more than I usually win lol

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spgulliver says:

November 23, 2011 at 11:14 am

anybody have a link to the video??? i missed the hit

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Chip Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 am
@spgulliver,
http://video.nbcsports.msnbc.com/nbc-sports/45411842

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KC23 says:

November 23, 2011 at 11:25 am

Pffft. DD made more money than that before he woke up to find out he was fined. Yep, was very wrong on that one. If I was a Blues fan I’d be real upset.

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Scot Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
Agree. I thought he should have at least gotten a game or two.

Fining him tells me that the league thought it was not a clean hit. If you’re going to penalize him for the hit, stay consistent and suspend him. A fine is not punishment to these players. Drew probably felt like he got away with one when he heard about the fine.

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Lake Forest says:

November 23, 2011 at 11:57 am

I will be the first to say the following:

I think we paid Drew too much
He has been invisible, aside from his two goals and STUPID penalties. Let’s not forget the cross check during the Vancouver game when we were already on the PK.

HOWEVER, I believe Drew can be a cornerstone to this franchise, in fact I wish for it, but if he continues like he has been playing, it won’t happen.

I’ll admit there is some emotion in this post because of him missing TC.

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Lake Forest Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 11:57 am
@Lake Forest, not first to say, but first to admit.

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dhow Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
@Lake Forest, 8 years is a long time my friend.

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Osaka Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:40 pm
@Lake Forest, I agree the Kesler penalty was stupid, but not all penalties are bad.

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justmyopinion says:

November 23, 2011 at 12:04 pm

While I have no problem with either of the fines imposed on Moreau and Doughty, I have have a problem with nothing being given to the players that have done similar hits to Kings players this year. There was one in preseason, (Clune, I think), that put him out of the rest of the preseason. In another game where two Kings players were hit in the head and into the boards resulting in missed games, yet nothing. Shanahan is carrying on the tradition of his predecessor of anything goes for mauling Kings players with impunity.

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Old Codger says:

November 23, 2011 at 12:06 pm

Maybe in my old age my eyesight is not so sharp or maybe I just see things with my heart when it comes to the Kings. I saw a cross check, I didn’t think it was dangerous or malicious. NHL live is starting to replay the game now and I will watch that hit more closely this time. I reserve the right to change my opinion.

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dhow Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:41 pm
@Old Codger, I saw cross check and a dive. The guy fell into the boards like 10 seconds after the hit was applied. It was, “what was that”…”oh I got hit, maybe I should go down”…”oh that’s right the board is right there”…”that kinda hurt”

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Ducksuck says:

November 23, 2011 at 12:20 pm

The guy doesn’t score. He takes stupid hits with 2 sec left in a game. I love this team. I would love it more if drew was not on it. 7 million and this is what the Kings get. He even cheats on getting a stash. Wish Weber for Doughty was possible. Everyone else on the team is amazing and Voynov really a great young talent. Hope the best for Drewiskie cause his future looks bad the way slava plays

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flutie16 says:

November 23, 2011 at 1:10 pm

The only thing I’m worried about is- ARE THE BOARDS OKAY WHERE OSHIE’S FACE HIT

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Jeremy Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@flutie16, LOL

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bitter says:

November 23, 2011 at 1:32 pm

What does the dollar amount of the fine have to do with what a player makes?

The amount of the fine is just an arbitrary amount that was negotiated by their labor union. The $2500 fine is more of symbolic gesture to any player. It’s nothing even to a guy making league minimum. The league does however keep track of how many times a player has been fined as well as suspended and I’m sure all instances of fines influence future disciplinary decisions.

To suggest that fines should be connected to salary is silly. It’s like saying parking tickets for expensive cars should be more expensive. The fine amount is based on the infraction, not on ability to pay.

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neil Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@bitter, parking tickets are not more expensive for nicer cars??? Yes now I will get a better car….

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D B COOPER says:

November 23, 2011 at 1:54 pm

what infuriarated me, was the blues players that did the roughing on doughty immediately after the hit with no penalty. How? punches were thrown, 3-4 blues players left their position and did what i would call at minimum, ‘roughing.’ drew didn’t have the puck! just because someone takes an infraction on your teammate you don’t get carte blache to be physical back without receiving a penalty.

finally: i haven’t said much this year, and missed the blog gathering, but i am not impressed with mr.7 million dollar man. he is not playing like he did 2 years ago. he hasn’t done the things like he did to initiate or be involved in the offense. he’s also, they all do, turning the puck over alot, and not from being slammed on the boards, but free to make a choice. this from someone i expect more from, and i know he can do it. in my mind, his play is not up to his pay incrase. i’m just expecting him to be like he was when nominated for the norris 2 years ago. that’s my piece.

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Jeremy Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 2:29 pm
@D B COOPER, I agree but even though it was partially his fault, I think you have to give Doughty a little extra time this year not having a training camp and then going on IR right after the start of the season. He’s still behind the rest of the players in the league who are basically in full game shape at this point. A couple months from now if we are still talking about this then yeah we have a big problem.

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g smith86 Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@D B COOPER, 2 years ago, in his first full season, he was not well known. It took the league a while to see what he was capable of. I blame the Olympics. He came out of that tournament touted as the best defensemen and from then on he has had the bulls eye on him. He hasn’t adjusted that well to being “the man” but I believe he will make those adjustments because he is a special player and in a few years will be a perennial allstar with out question.

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Rookie says:

November 23, 2011 at 2:30 pm

Stupid play. He knows better.

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Ducksuck says:

November 23, 2011 at 3:22 pm

I hope he does something soon. His play sucks he needs to get out of his slump and score more. Only game I liked him in was a game the kings lost 4-1. He is not close to a noris yet he keeps getting a pay increase every season. Johnson is the man. Mitchell must resign! Scuds and Greene on the pk and now Voynov o boy this team has goal tendings and d now just if doughty cam do what 7million can do… The kings would be set.. I’m watching and waiting drew.

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Osaka says:

November 23, 2011 at 3:37 pm

I had no problem with Drew’s hit on Oshie, they were battling and it happened. It was a good play. Did he go to far? Maybe but who cares? I don’t want any player on the Kings being nominated for the Lady Byng. Now the Vancouver game Drew took a stupid selfish penalty with the cross check on Kesler, not the case this time.

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petemagoop says:

November 23, 2011 at 5:26 pm

did the league issue an explanation?-I’m guessing not because there was no fine – slippery slope IMO

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