After today’s practice, Terry Murray indicated that Alec Martinez will be out of the lineup for a while and probably will be placed on injured reserve shortly. Murray said that decision is in management’s hands, but that Martinez has experienced swelling and discomfort since the end of Saturday’s game. Murray said Slava Voynov would “probably” be the player to get a call-up from Manchester. Martinez is officially listed with an upper-body injury. More notes and quotes from practice to come…
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Rich do you take a break? Geez 4 minutes after the live chat you are already updating the blog!!!
Glad to have you on our team!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@Lake Forest, yea he seems like he never take a break i think he needs time alone time..
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NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!NOOOOOO!! i like Martinez…Oh well call up Voynov here his chance again come on
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SLAVA VOYNOV? FREE VYACHESLAV!
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Strange how things work out. When one door closes, another one opens.
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Dominick Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@Belexes, It’s not strange at all. Many said as soon as an injury happens VV will be back.
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Belexes Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@Dominick,
But so soon for Lokti, and for VV? And look who’s out too. Penns and Martinez? I mean seriously, isn’t this the exact scenario that many have been calling for?
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Dominick Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
@Belexes, With Voynov, even if it was Green out with an injury, VV would get the call before anyother in Manchester. With Lokti I’d say almost the same with anybody in the top 12.
Tullskull Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@Belexes, Tell that to DD2!
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Hah! Before you renamed it, I wondered if Voynov would be called up.
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Thank goodness for depth. Welcome back VV and get well soon Alec since it is a long season and I am sure some others will need a little IR time!
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Oh God this is going to get ugly when it’s time for AM to come off IR…
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Belexes Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring,
Will probably be another 1000 post thread.
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Kaiser Soze Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, Voynov would go back down. I believe Murray said before that you don’t lose your spot on the team due to injury. Love what Voynov did when he was up here and I’m sure he’ll have a permanent spot on the team in a year or two.
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kingszzz Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
@Kaiser Soze, it won’t be two.
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Anjin Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
@Kaiser Soze, but if Voynov is on fire when AM comes back he may only get a game or two to reclaim his spot.
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RogiesBackUp Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, What might happen if DD/JJ/AM/VV are on the line-up on a regular basis??
A “King-Size” explosion!
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Raunq12 Reply:
November 15th, 2011 at 8:43 am
@RogiesBackUp,
Can you say “Best defense in the NHL?”
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The only thing I can say about this is… I’m so glad the Kings have this depth at their disposal.
Hopefully Martinez gets well soon.
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Kings x Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@Eggplant, seriously…how did we get so banged up all of a sudden?
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Jumblehead Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
@Eggplant, Your welcome. Sincerely, Dean Lombardi
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#KeepTheRussiansInLA lives on!! Good times ahead! Hope Martinez is ok though.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
@TheCrazyWhls, Woot woot.
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I like Martinez but love Voynov. I’m not sure Martinez will have a spot when he gets well.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@LA_1968, he will
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DanD Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@LA_1968, TM has stated numerous times that a player on his team will NEVER lose his spot due to injury.
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LA_1968 Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
@DanD, We’ll see. Besides injuries, AM’s spot is the only one that is shakey. I’m not saying up for grabs but far from safe.
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ChiTownKingsFan Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@LA_1968, AM is 61, he’ll retire before DL fires him.
TRuskowski Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
@DanD,Martinez should not lose his position. Not like he sucks.
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LA_1968 Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@TRuskowski, Yeah, he doesn’t suck at all. The main weakness I see in his game is when he has the puck behind the goal line and the pressure is on sometimes he guesses on where to move it. This is what I’m going to look for from Voynov.
Deke'r Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
@DanD, TM also said, in reference to the goalie, that he was going to go with whomever has the hot hand…..not.
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Howe 9 Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@LA_1968, Except for Moeller.
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Thank god we have depth. It’s a really good feeling when these things come up in the season.
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Jumblehead Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
@Alexb20, Thank DL while you’re at it !!!
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makes me think that 5min major was the right call afterall since he got injured on the play
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I know everyone is excited to see Lokti and VV brought up to replace the injured, but can we all agree now that maybe keeping them in Manchester (as players that can be brought up and down without penalty) instead of throwing other players on waivers (drewiskie and martinez) or trading guys like martinez was the best plan of action? This is hockey. injuries occur and it’s short sighted to look at your NHL roster and think that the “team” ends there.
I’m elated we have NHL ready guys to step in and replace the injured.
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Dominick Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@Helvetica, Been trying to explain this since the summer started, but no one’s listening.
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neil Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
@Dominick, What did you say????
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DesertKing Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
@Dominick,
I see the words but I can’t hear them????
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Deke'r Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
@Dominick, ….is there anybody out there…..
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Stuart Reply:
November 15th, 2011 at 8:41 am
@Deke’r, you’re lips move but I can’t hear what you’re saying…
Bkrs-Bud Reply:
November 15th, 2011 at 12:57 am
@Dominick, Some of us agree with you, not all the time but most of the time. Your hockey knowledge is appreciated.
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Dominick Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
@Helvetica, See! lol
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Helvetica Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@Dominick, haha.
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DesertKing Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
@Helvetica,
Well said.
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Slavalicious!
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Its not December why am I getting early presents? Lokti and Slava? Things are gonna get reallllll interesting.
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mash-ola Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@KH, Especially if these callups still don’t help the Kings get out of their funk… What next???
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RICH…
thanks for doing the q&a with brian hayward…
and for answering one of questions…
(re: kings ducks/rivalry…)
hazy got the last laugh at the end when he neatly deflected a fan’s critique on his color commentating style…i thought that was funny…
thanks again…(!)
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neil Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
@variable, I thought it was funny too…Brian doenst bother me as much as he bothers other fans….He seems real and kinda like a knucklehead fan that we all have…..
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Jason4Kings Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
@neil,
He wears golf pants and owns a poodle.
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variable Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
@variable,
it should read “one of my questions”…
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DesertKing Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
@variable,
Classic line last night “This powerplay will be a real positive for the Ducks.” Hmmm, when is going on a PP not a positive for a team? Uh oh, here it comes….
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About Rich not taking a break… That’s why Terry Murray says that Rich “…IS the LA Kings insider!”
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Lake Forest Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
@Gann Matsuda, NO DOUBT
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Michael J. Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
@Gann Matsuda,
And that’s coming from an “inside” source!
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mash-ola Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
@Gann Matsuda, If he got any more INSIDE, he’d be outside… or something like that…
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Gann Matsuda Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
@mash-ola, no, if Rich got any more inside, he’d disappear into a black hole, or something like that.
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New defensive pairings:
Doughty/Johnson
Voynov/Mitchell
Scuderi/Greene
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CabbageAndKings Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
@HeyChief,
To be honest, Voynov/Mitchell looked so good on the ice together, it kinda makes sense to put them back together.
I like it.
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
@HeyChief, Haha Not
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Dominick Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
@HeyChief, That puts all top 4 D on the backhand along the walls.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@HeyChief, last year DD/JJ was bad luck and equal automatic lost…So those line up pairs are bad.
Mitchell/Doughty
Scuderi/JJ
Greene/Voynov
most likely going to be
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Deke'r Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
@KingsFanFTW, ….switch Scuds and Greener…
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I’ve been wanting lokti and Voynov in the lineup over parse and martinez since training camp. Sooooo stoked. Our team will be skip much better. They just need to throw richy on the third line with cliffy and stoll then our first 3 lines will be filthy
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mash-ola Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@#unclewillyson, And if they don’t???
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vv and dd out there at the same time.. woo… that’s going to be fun to watch.
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Sometimes the Hockey Gods will force the issue when the obvious is ingnored. The all knowing will reach down and inflict their wrath upon those who don’t follow.
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brig33 Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
@kingszzz, hahaha nice
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Give drewiske a chance keep voynov down . He’s next season
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ChiTownKingsFan Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
@Brian, We’ve given drewiske many chances. His performance in sum? Mediocre. Unimpressive. Now voynov, on the other hand. Sweet scottish noisegasms, batman. Were you comatose during the first part of the season when DD went down?
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mash-ola Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
@ChiTownKingsFan, I disagree… He’s not a flashy defenseman like Doughty, JJ, or Voynov. He’s more of a stay-at-home defenseman. Every team needs defensemen like that. Take Scuds or Mitchell out of the equation and you have a defense that isn’t as solid on the back end… Many chances? He’s played in what, one game this season, against Philly, and he looked pretty good to me.
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Stuart Reply:
November 15th, 2011 at 9:38 am
@mash-ola, but there’s a reason he’s been in one game this year… you need to throw a hat down to make sure he’s even moving. I can see him as Mike Weaver, good enough to be an NHL Dman, just not good enough to be one on this team.
With the Russian one two punch we beat the schmucks by 6 goals two nights in a row.
GKG….woot woot…..
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mash-ola Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
@King-C, And if they don’t??? (sorry, the “And if they don’t” button must be stuck on my keyboard)…
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Gee…you don’t even have to be a Marc Nathan to make this prediction.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@Cynic, Cynic I missed you
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It’s going to be interesting to see who VV plays with. He’s been with Mitchell pretty much exclusively so far.
If the pair him with someone else (Greene?) then will he be as comfortable and have the same success?
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Dominick Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@Stagger, With DD back, and JJ playing well, I wouldn’t be surprised to see TM juggle. Mitchell makes sense because they already have some chemistry, but Mitchell plays DD, and JJ minutes, and I doubt Green can play in those matchups consistantly (I’m not knocking Green at all). VV will get 16 to 18 minutes, which would put him right with Green. So Murray will mix and match most likely.
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Not to rain on the VV parade, but doesn’t Martinez have the same number of goals?
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jess Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
@DesertKing, vs. games played I think the % diff is expoential.
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jess Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
@jess, *exponential
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DesertKing Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@jess,
If I had scored 2 goals in a game, I would have more goals than just about anybody on the team also
So DD, whiskey does not get out of the stands? Rich, can you ask about Davis Drewiskey (sp) and why he does not get to play? Ever?
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kingszzz Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
@Lucky, because he’s not as good as Voynov.
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Dave Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
@Lucky, my guess is he would more likely play if one of the stay-at-home guys got hurt.
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EJ Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
@Lucky, well, I certainly can’t speak for TM, but Martinez is a puck-moving d-man, Whiskey is not, and Voynov is, so . . . .
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FrankinVA Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
@EJ,
Agree with you and dave. They play a different role. DD2 will get his chances this year when Scuds/Greener/or Mitchell need a break.
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
November 15th, 2011 at 1:03 am
@Lucky, Because a stay at home d-man didn’t get injured.
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Lokti and VV may be the icing on the cake to the system tweaks we witnessed the other night against the wild.
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Big Martinez fan here but I’m glad to see Voynov getting a call. I don’t get to post much and this has probably been mentioned, but wanted to give Foxy a high five for the flag he was presented with Saturday night. He and Miller make Kings hockey even better. Foxy sees things most announcers or commentators wouldn’t, and his insights are awesome.
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Dominick Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@Pili, I like that Foxy is fair too. He will look at a play that is questionable and analyzze it, not make snap biased judgements in the Kings favor in an attempt to sell a bad call, or defend a bad penalty taken by a Kings player.
If the Kings player is in the wrong, Foxy will be the first to point out that he agrees with the officials.
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Lake Forest Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
@Dominick, Agree about Foxy. Sometimes while I’m watching I wish he was a little bias. It make me feel better about the decision that the refs are about to make….
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wavesinair Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@Dominick,
Interesting you say, “If the Kings player is in the wrong, Foxy will be the first to point out that he agrees with the officials.”
I actually disagree. And while I’m a fan of Fox and I believe he is fair and not a homer (both positive things) I do believe he hedges his criticisms, especially if it’s a Kings player. He hems and haws and says maybe or kinda or not sure when it’s obvious and clear.
He’s definitely not the first to point out that stuff. He usually rides the fence until he talks himself into choosing a side. Granted, he isn’t wishy washy all the time, but there’s a politician aspect to his color commentary that I wish was less pronounced.
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Dominick Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
@wavesinair,
To some degree. I have seen plenty of instances where he accuses players of going down easy and trying to sell a call. Even with the Richardson fight with Teemu last season, he pointed out that little Richie threw an elbow and he didn’t blame Teemu one bit.
I’ve come to expect stuff like that, and even though he’s a Kings announcer, he doesn’t always call it in the Kings favor, and when he doesn’t it usually makes sense.
RogiesBackUp Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@Pili, Agreed. In the beginning Foxy’s commentating made me uncomfortable. Now, he is such a natural in front of the camera and points out the details of the game with such expertise.
Frankly, I think he helps out the Kings coaching staff indirectly with his comments on the air.
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
@RogiesBackUp, I remember that. He was really nervous and looked totally out of his element. I’ve actually never seen a commentator with that much improvement over the years. I think probably a testament to his work ethic.
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I’m glad these kids are getting a chance to play. 10-15 games will really prepare them for full time status next year.
I’d much rather see Lokti playing center then wing, but I think everyone saying that Lokti is horrible on the wing shows how prone fans are to exaggeration. Maybe instead of saying he looked bad on wing and better at center, we can just say that in his first six NHL games he really looked like he was playing his first six NHL games.
What rookie doesn’t look lost out there from time to time? It’s safe to say that Lokti looked better and more confident with the puck as games went along – which also happened to correspond to his position change.
He could have just as easily played center his first six games and looked horrible and moved over to left wing and looked a whole lot better his next six games. And we would now all be arguing that he needs to play wing because he looked lost in his first few games in the NHL.
Besides, that was a long time ago in his development. I think we should all wipe our memories clean of those games – and attempt to evaluate him from scratch. I want to see him play center. I want to see him play LW. I want see how strong he is on the puck and how his faceoffs are doing. Because at this point, we don’t have to much information to work with.
Just because you look lost your first 6 NHL, doesn’t mean you aren’t a dynamic, multi-faceted player.
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You guys think the Flyers would be interested in Penner for Jakob Voracek?? I was really impress with his skating and puck handling abilities when Kings played the Jackets last season. I was really hoping the Kings would’ve acquired him.
He seems like he’s up there with Kovalchuck and the great eight.
He will open up passing lanes for this team for sure!!!!
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kingszzz Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
@RogiesBackUp, Penner can’t attract stick tape right now.
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RogiesBackUp Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
@kingszzz, LMAO!!!!!
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
@RogiesBackUp, no.
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mash-ola Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
@RogiesBackUp, Sorry, no one in the NHL, AHL, ECHL or otherwise is high on Penner now… His trade value is very low. You want Voracek for the Kings? A) Philly is probably not even remotely thinking of moving him and B) If they did, they would probably ask for much more than either the Kings or you would be willing to part with.
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Considering Voynov’s popularity on this site, Did Martinez’ injury result from an Insider Blogger taking personnel matters into his own hands?
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Dominick Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
@JackKent Cooke, Does that make Martinez, Nancy Kerrigan?
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Michael J. Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@Dominick,
Nope, there is only one King with choppers nearly that big and he is not the one.
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jess Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
@JackKent Cooke, no on amart. Pens? Maybe…
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YES YES OHH GOD YESS!!!! Best thing to happen to us all year. This will show how we can fire mark my words with our Russians!
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kingszzz Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@Chris Bond, been waiting WAY too long for both Lotki and VV in the lineup. If I’m wrong I’ll eat crow but I truly think this is the dynamic lineup we need. Of course, Penner will be lumbering around looking dumb in no time I’m afraid.
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jess Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
@kingszzz,
Hopefully he “lumbers” over to another team via a trade. He has been given an exorbitant number of chances to perform with this organisation.
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kingszzz Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@jess, +72
DesertKing Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
@Chris Bond,
Don’t hold back there Chirs, let it all out and tell us how you really feel.
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Very interesting. Very good. Both Lokti and Voynov are up. At this point, the coach’s King’s tenure is on the line. He must turn the team around. Same with the GM. I hope people quit pointing the finger at Doughty because of his salary or Stoll or Brown or whomever. There are really only two pointed fingers here: 1 at TM and 1 at DL. 5 years running: You are both on the 2012 Clock. You have the players you want. Make it happen.
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jess Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
@Poorman,
If you took a babe to the finest restaurant in Manhattan and they brought out Fruitloops and Tang, wouldn’t you feel a little jipped? DD is being paid $7M and so it’s not too much to ask IMO, that Insider fans fairly expect a champagne and caviar performance.
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
@Poorman, Really doubt that DL has much to worry about and think TM’s chances of losing his job are probably greatly overstated on this blog. I think despite all the criticism that TM ranks in the top half of active head coaches.
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jess Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, if the system tweaks he made against the wild hold fast -especially against the upper half of the NHL, and with the addition of lokti and VV, TM will definitely rank higher than that.
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RogiesBackUp Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, Agreed. tMurray’s got a really good system going with the team. It’s really up to the performers to “make it happen” via their creativity and talent. The “system” is only a mental block not a PHYSICAL force to be reckon with.
From what I remember, Voynov seems to know to play on the “right” side of the puck on the D-Zone.
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Poorman Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@RogiesBackUp, Again, in my opinion, Bylsma’s got a real good system. If you like a “system” that’s produced a 2-7 in the last 9 games, then great. I personally don’t care what the system is if the result was flip flopped to 7-2. I would be happy with Willie Mitchell at Center and Kevin Westgarth in goal if the Kings were 7-2.
Poorman Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, If you believe 1st round exits are cool or not making the playoffs at all is OK, then TM and DL are your bros. Personally, it’s unacceptable after 5 years.
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mash-ola Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@Poorman, To that I respond that it’s 50% Management/Coaching and 50% players. You can’t do anything about Kopitar getting hurt and missing the last part of the season and the playoffs. You do have more control over, for example, the swing game in LA (game 3, I believe it was), where the Kings lost a big lead and lost the game and consequently the series. To me, the players have as much responsibility on the ice as the coach/gm do.
Another example was last Thursday’s loss to Vancouver. I’m quite certain the coach did not have his players taking dumb penalties early in the game. And I’m 100% certain it was not Terry Murray’s fault that Drew Doughty decided to practice some of his best cross-checks to Ryan Kessler while killing a major penalty. Who’s fault is that?
I am not looking at the amount on his contract, but Drew Doughty has not been playing at an acceptable level given his skills and status as a ‘breakthrough, franchise defenseman”.
To infer that the players are not at fault in some capacity is incorrect.
Get rid of Penner and keep Lotiki
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RogiesBackUp Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@Fredrick, With all due respect to Penner he has really improved, I just don’t think he’s in the “right” team.
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kingszzz Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
@RogiesBackUp, that guy has had more leash than The Dog Whisperer
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RogiesBackUp Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
@kingszzz, Haha!!!
Realistically, what is Penner worth? Maybe package him with a deal, but what would be a fair trade if you package him with say a Bernier, drewisky and Moreau . Who could we get for this three?
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RogiesBackUp Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Who could we get for this **four?
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mash-ola Reply:
November 14th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
@RogiesBackUp, His stock is low as is his confidence and his health. It’s early in the season. Don’t get rid of him just to get rid of him. You wouldn’t get much for him without a loss, anyways. Later down the road, he may come in handy. You just never know. But for now? Too early to panic. Way too early…
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