Terry Murray’s postgame thoughts…
(on the lack of offense…)
MURRAY: “The blocked a lot of shots out there tonight. In the early going, especially in the first period, we had a lot of opportunities to get pucks to the net. We used our defensemen very well, low to high, and a lot of pucks were directed toward the net. They did block a lot. I don’t know what the total was on the blocks, I didn’t look at it, but there was no problem with the attitude. The second period, obviously, was the period that was the problem for us.’’
(on how much of the play was “uninspired”…)
MURRAY: “None.’’
(after a re-asking on the same topic…)
MURRAY: “None.’’
(on Brown saying that the team lacked effort…)
MURRAY: “Did he? Well, we had a couple bad bounces out there. The game in Colorado, we had some bad luck, there were some bad bounces. I look at the first goal here tonight. It goes off Quick’s head. The third goal is a pass that comes from our D and hits Kopitar in the back of the foot and they go in and score. So I look at that as bad bounces, that go through a process over the course of the year, and that’s what I chalk it up to right now.’’
(on how to create more scoring chances…)
MURRAY: “We’re talking about it all the time. We’re practicing drills. We’re shooting the puck. We’ve got net presence. We’re just not getting pucks through right now. I’ve got to look at shot attempts. I don’t know what that number was tonight, but I thought the attempts in the early going and in the third period were pretty good. The second period was the period where we didn’t get much going.’’
I’ve been a fan since 1970 and I hate to say it, but I may have to start rooting against the Kings for the first time in my life. It’s the only way DL will fire TM. Sometimes it takes short term pain for long term gain.
Now I think TM seems like a good guy, the kind of guy that would be fun to hang out with and have a few beers. He was also the right coach to get the Kings started in their 5 year plan. But sorry, he is not the right coach to get the Kings over the hump and on their way to Lord Stanleys Cup.
Some times a team needs a new voice in the locker room, this is one of those times. The game has passed TM up, he is a dinosaur among NHL coaches. What the Kings need is someone new and fresh, someone who gets the “new” NHL. Look at recent history, both Pittsburgh and Chicago fired coaches in the same situation the Kings are in and went on to win the cup with their new coach.
My only concern is, if DL were to fire TM, could he hire such a coach?
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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
@Jack The Lad, Jokingly a couple of weeks ago, this subject was broached and I said that now that these guys have a few years of experience maybe “Crow” would be a good fit. Or trade Doughty for Tippet and bring VV up.
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Christian T Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 1:07 am
@HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration, Crow? As in Crawford? He is horrible! TM is much better than him. At least we have D with TM. We have an asst coach that might work.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:56 am
@HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration, – If crow steps anywhere near the king’s locker room… I’ll become a duck’s fan… and I HATE the ducks!
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Ice Nutter Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
@HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration, I agree – it’s time for TM to go. This team has the most uninspiring offence including its PP in the league, it lacks the threat (cycle low, move puck to the blue line, shoot). Not very imaginative – or better said, way to keep the opponent guess! Sometimes the puck from the point will squeak through but most often it doesn’t. And when it does – yes the D will collapse and block while the kings lack a presence in front of the net. Last night they only had 3 shots in the 1st – that sucks! Penner – I’m sorry I was pulling for you boy but what the H.e. double L. you were skating away from the net where you’re needed, you would drift to the blue line completely taking yourself out of the play every time you were on the ice. Once you made a valiant move to the net in the 3rd only to go behind, lose the puck and didn’t even stop to get it – you did a casual turn. It is time to kickass and make some changes.
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OCKINGin HB Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
@Jack The Lad,
A few beers with…u might need some uppers prior.
I agree w/ TM points, it seems like Kopi should be among the league top scorers, Look at Richards and Penner 2 scorers that are being shut down in LA…same game in PHilly and Edmonton right, it the system….my advice is to let the boys have some fun and play hockey….scoring will win you games…i would rather lose 6-4 than 3-0 at least we have a chance if we can score. NO GOALS will always equal NO WINS.
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Subby Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
@Jack The Lad, no :[
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rogiesbackup Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
I think this year the teams have found out how to shut down the Kings. They do it in the Neutral Zone….so now TM has to readjust and quickly do it. I wasn’t at all impress how long it took them to address the PP last season. They[coaching staff] need to learn quickly to implement readjustments.
I mean, the Oilers are actually one of those teams that require you to dump and chase into their zone and not try to do a stick to stick pass. I think any team that’s “known” to be a good defensive team should be played against in in this manner-dump and chase.
I still believe TM is the man for the job. I’ve been a kings fan since the mid 70′s too, and when Dionne came in, I just got tired of another season of Kings lacking in sound DEFENSE. Last year I felt confident that even scoring one goal the kings would win. This year, well I don’t get that feeling. Something’s not clicking.
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Jim Martin Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:59 am
@Jack The Lad, I have been a fan of the Kings since 67/68 and Murray has got to be worst coach The Kings ever had. His system sucks. With his system goal scorers die when they come to LA. That is why Kovalchuk would not sign with the Kings. Murray was on defense his whole career. He ruined Oscar Moeller career because he never gave this kid a chance. And he is doing the same thing with Loki. Brian Boyle came up to the Kings and showed a lot of promise when he did, and Murray got rid of him the following year. Matt Moulson was another one he got rid of. I could go on and on. This has got no business behind the bench. Lombardi went out and got him some guys that can score and his system has handcuffed them. I will not make another game until this guy is gone.
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chip Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 1:44 am
@Jim Martin, You do understand that Murray can’t trade players by himself, right? That the GM usually does that? And that the Kings maybe don’t have a spot for those players even now?
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Alex Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 10:37 am
@Jim Martin, I am totally with you. 100%agree…Amen!!!!!!!!
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freezer flatten Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
@Jim Martin, you are right on. murray stifuls creative players. as long as he is the coach u will not see any offense. kompon is a murray clone.
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kevin from toronto Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 6:51 am
@Jack The Lad, Okay well have fun with that. SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSee ya!
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“Did he?” Sounds like someone’s doing sprints for practice tomorrow.
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colo king fan Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:14 pm
@CB14, hes gonna sprint right up to the press box until he gets on board with the “bad bounce” theory.
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CB14 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:16 pm
@colo king fan, LOL
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neil Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
@CB14, write on the chalk board one hundred times……..Bad bounces every game…bad bounces every game..etc..etc…
LA_1968 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:07 am
@colo king fan, I was thinking the same thing listening to him. If you score no goals how could you ever win with or without bounces? He must have been protecting his players because they couldn’t do anything. I mean is TM supposed to show them how to make a short pass?
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Brownkingsfan Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 1:19 am
@CB14, Sounds to me like TM is in SERIOUS denial! Bad bounces cannot be the excuse for every loss. You can’t blame the loss on the arena, or the puck hitting the back of Kopi’s skate. Well, I guess theoretically you could, but soon enough everyone stops listening because you cannot man up and admit you’re the real problem! I don’t see any of this changing. Last year the excuse was lack of talent. Thanks for stepping up and giving us the talent we need. Now we need a coach who can bring offense. Maybe have TM stay on as the defensive coach. I don’t know if that would work either, but something needs to change.
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freezer flatten Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
@CB14, obviously, murray didnt see the same game i watched. he is totally out of touch.
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and away we go…..
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CB14 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
@colo king fan, We’ve been goin. LOL
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soyokaze Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 pm
@colo king fan, colo king fan. You’re a freakin’ riot man! Keep it up with the jokes, because I need all the laughs I can get after tonight’s sorry game.
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colo king fan Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
@soyokaze, Thanks, but I can’t take all the credit here. I wouldn’t be half as funny if Terry Murray didn’t provide me with so many opportunities.
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CB14 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
@colo king fan, I’ve had people say that I should be coaching the team because I’m able to point out all of TM’s coaching mistakes. Without TM making all those brain dead decisions I wouldn’t be able to point them out, so thank you Terry Murray for making dumb decisions that I am able to point out, thus giving people the perception that I know enough about hockey to be a Head Coach. I don’t, but apparently I know more than Terry Murray. LOL
Pat Quinn
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Paul G Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 5:08 am
@OldKingsFan, oooooohhhhhhhhh yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh there you go…
I wish too
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HockeyOnlyAwaitingModeration Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:48 am
@OldKingsFan, I’ll drink to that.
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He played defense in the NHL…He just doenst understand offense..plain and simple…..
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I’m so tired of this guy. He needs to stop making excuses. You think the players would know if they lacked effort while playing well because…….THEY’RE THE ONES PLAYING THE FREAKIN’ GAME!
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tantrum4 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
@Michael666,
Exactly. which means they are also the ones with no creativity and the ones that aren’t scoring, NOT THE COACHES.
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CB14 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
@tantrum4, How do you explain the fact that guys like Penner, Richards, and Gagne have scored other places but are struggling to score here?
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Brownkingsfan Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 1:24 am
@tantrum4, I agree with CB14. If it were one or two guys, you’d have a solid point. When every player who had offensive success comes here and struggles, it means there’s a problem here.
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CB14 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
@Brownkingsfan, Exactly!
anonandonanon Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 10:34 am
@tantrum4, This. The PLAYERS are all out of sync. The puck support was hit and miss. A non-call on the goalie interference. two bad bounces all for goals. Seeing-eye-dog saves, crazy blocks and swarming forecheck that never got burned. Maybe we were too chummy before the game.
Someone has got to go directly at the net eventually. It would be nice if they had the puck, but even still, “Go to the net! Go to the net! Go to the net!”
At this point too many guys are not playing to their potential or even their norm. Could be the slump after the hump, nagging little injuries, AND the bad bounces. I don’t think we’re seeing the real Kings here. We may not have seen the real Kings yet.
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CB14 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
@anonandonanon, You just made my argument for me when you said, “The PLAYERS are all out of sync”. If it’s 1 or 2 guys, heck even if it’s 5 or 6 guys, you could say that it’s the players fault, but when every single one of them is out of sync, that’s the COACHES fault.
okay this Guy is a good person he did what he can do now his time is up.Pull the plug DL do it or u going to have the same problem and most important ur team that can win it will be falling apart in front of ur very eyes.
If u do fire the PP coach too never liked him and never will
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Mr. Murray, I respectfully disagree, we did not have net presence, edmonton did…
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colo king fan Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:14 pm
@jess, they werent even present in the arena.
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LA67 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:38 am
@jess, absolutely agree, the only net presence was Ryan Smyth. Why can’t we get someone to screen a goalie…
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I didnt see any quote from Brown saying that the Kings lack effort….
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CB14 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
@neil, You must have missed Brown’s postgame quotes. In it he was asked, (on the Kings’ effort…) His answer, “I don’t know if we had any really”
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neil Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
@CB14, my bad…I was reading Johnson’s quote…Thanks for letting me know…
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CB14 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 pm
@neil, You’re welcome.
“we had a lot of opportunities to get pucks to the net” ……from 30′ away.
““Did he? Well, we had a couple bad bounces out there…” and my solution is to put him on the 4th line until he learns to make excuses like me.
“We’re shooting the puck”.. from 30′ away… “We’re just not getting pucks through right now”… because were 30′ away… “I thought the attempts in the early going and in the third period were pretty good”.. even though they werent really all that good… “The second period was the period where we”… got even less… “going.”
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:31 am
@colo king fan, That’s about it. I saw about five decent chances. They were good ones, but they weren’t enough.
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He was asked how much play was uninspired and he said “none” so evidently they were all inspired only the Oilers were more so. Now if he had said “quite abit” or “some” then I would agree partially with him.
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Just shooting from the blue line isnt going to cut it….stop overcoaching the offense..FREE THE KINGS OFFENSE!!!!!
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colo king fan Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
@neil, how are you supposed to generate rebounds if youre busy scoring goals? doesnt fit the system, sorry.
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I can’t figure out what the coach is seeing out on the ice, listening to him is like listening to Brian Hayward do a Ducks game, he doesn’t even see what is going on. He is in a fantasy world. I hope they change coaches and don’t waste this season. The Kings have not had such a promising line up since 99 laced them up. The Kings management has got to realize what is going on, they have got to do something. These guys are not playing, and seems to be they aren’t being coached properly for the type of talent they have. I spent alot of money on my tickets and I would love to get my money’s worht…if you agree say HELL Yah!!!
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gmo Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
@brian spain,
HELL YAH!!!!!!!!LOL
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TM could turn a line with Gretzky, Mario Lemieux and Mike Bossy into a checking line that would score 9, 16 and 18 goals respectively, but he’d make damn sure they were good two way players.
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gmo Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@The Gondor,
even if we sign the best playemakers and snipers in the game as soon as they play for tm and his system their careers would be over
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PP Anybody? Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:09 am
@The Gondor, Actually he would break them up immediately, then rotate them onto the 4th line.
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freezer flatten Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@The Gondor, i evrn question there defense. always chasing from behind. we always have a player in our face.
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Maybe mix up the Richards line? He seems lost
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brian spain Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
@Carol Vadnais, I say put , Richards ,Gagne and Williams together, and Kopi, Brown and Parse(richrdson) together. I wonder if the team can call the league and complain about the referee, on the second goal Quick was clearly interfered with…not that it mattered tonight, but it seams the King goalies get that alot, any time the Kings get near the other teams goalie, they blow the whistle. Brutal.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:11 am
@Carol Vadnais, He did mix it up by putting Richards at WING with Kopi. That worked. No wait, it didn’t, I take that back.
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We’re scoring, we’re scoring—on our own goalie!!
What is going on with all these strange and bad goals against?
It’s not exciting to be a Kings fan if our offense is usually lackluster. I strayed from viewing the game after two…. I hope it isn’t the same story game after game….
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Epic implosion, hindenburg. Sad. I’m still a Kings fan, just… Nevermind.
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Dominick Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
@jess, I feel your pain.
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when fans were complaining about the Kings even before the recent 3 game losing streak was because the Kings havnt played well all year(including preseason) That is why I was upset after the FF game….Preseason starts habits…Now those habits have turned into a losing streak.This is not new for the Kings…remember last year’s two big losing streak?? This coach just isnt getting the most out of this team….
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PP Anybody? Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:15 am
@neil, Hey, it’s still early in the season! You have to wait 20, 30, 40, 60 games, next season, before you can say you see any areas of concern in the Kings play.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:33 am
@neil, It looks like Quick has to stand on his head to win a game. He plays so-so, or just good, or the “bad bounce bug” hits, and there’s just not enough offense.
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freezer flatten Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, exactly.
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been a KINGS fan for about 20 years now, i know there are many of you out there that have that have supported this team for longer. that being said, in all these years i have never felt the way i felt tonight while watching the game. i felt like crying out of frustation, felt like puking, i was just stunned. The team played boring, uninspired,sloppy hockey. i just dont get it, why are we having problems scoring with all THESE talent?we have the players with the skill sets (snipers,playmakers) but yet we struggle. 10 shots after 2 periods? what’s the brand of hockey we play as a team? i thought we were supposed to be a gritty,hard-hitting,in your face physical type of team yet i really have not seen the team play like it so far. and this whole shot mentalty,heavy on the stick and play along the boards crap is getting old. what is this shot mentality crap anyways?shoot the puck as soon as you cross the blue line from whatever angle and hope for a deflection,bounce or some kind of divine goal? why not try to make more quality scoring changes,more creative scoring changes? since tm took over the team seems to have started struggling scoring. i think tm time is up, we need a coach that will take us to the next level and tm is not that coach. i give tm credit as he has done some good things here. we have become a much better team defensively but at what cost ? our offense? where is the balance between O and D? are we going to be able to get past the first round with this lack of production/scoring? on PAPER we have a pretty solid team but this coach and system is letting the team down. now he goes on to say blah blah blah blah they blocked shots blah blah blah bad bounces blah blah ……..he says they did not play uninspired yet his captain seems to think the team played with lack of effort, hmmmmmm i dont think players are listening to terry anymore, he sounded suprised when told brown had said that.
at the end something needs to happen. we are better than this. we can score more than this. i hope DL does something to shake things up.
go kings go
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freezer flatten Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
@gmo, how can murray think they played with a shot mentality when you only get 3 shots on goal in the first period.
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1-4 since our brilliant coach benched our #1 goalie after 3 straight shut outs.
Fire him now – nobody will be disappointed when he is gone.
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puck73 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
@jimrad, DL sending Voynov down wasnt good IMO either. Manchester didnt win when he was gone, and neither have the Kings.
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jimrad Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 8:46 am
@puck73, I agree with you there. If you have read any of my other posts you will notice that I didn’t want to pay DD the $$ and I am a big Voynov supporter.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 10:20 am
@jimrad, – Doughty is WAY overpaid. And I can’t believe that everyone on here was panicked because he was holding out. Personally, I was happy he wasn’t suited up because I knew it would give Vito Voynov a chance to make the team. One good season and Doughty thinks he can hold out to be our highest paid player? I don’t know what everyone else thinks, but I saw Parse in on much of the actual penetration and generating opportunities. Unfortunately, none connected.
If there must be someone to be blamed, it should be the coach who is responsible for the offensive part of the game. Look how Canadiens doing better after they fired their assistant coach. We need an assistant coach who just don’t follow his head coach’s order but disagree with him if he thinks it’s best for the team.
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It seems like it’s been a trend that they have their worst games on days that have been equally awful for me. So I want to personally apologize, I feel partially responsible. lol
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16,005 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:14 am
@FiG17,
Did he say that??? You just had some bad bounces in your day.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 10:24 am
@16,005, Agreed, even if you were texting while driving and hit a telephone pole and then bounced into the kid in the crosswalk… just chalk it up to a bad bounce. Not your fault at all.
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There were bad bounces because this team cant pass the puck out of their zone, in the neutral zone or in the offensive zone which has become an imaginary land lately. When you acquire new players and the same system isn’t working anymore you tell me what the problem is? Our team sits back in the defensive zone and allows opposing players to come in and rush the net. When this team is on the “offensive” they dump pucks in and have everyone chase and when we don’t recover it, which is most of the time, it leads to odd man rushes and much better chances for the opposing team. I feel bad for Quick having to play the role of superman every damn game, put this guy on another contending team and I think that team goes a long way.
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gmo Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
@Weekes22,
quick made some crazy saves tonigt…..i mean he cant do it all………..he cant be the golie,dman and scorer…..that save he made off DD turnover was just crazy sick
go quick go
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letswinthecup2012 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
@Weekes22,
true. true. don’t say that though.. without quick we’d be dead in the water this season haha
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It’s sad when a player has to call out how bad the team did because the coach won’t. I hope Brown and a couple guys take it on themselves to be better, to want more. DL I hope you see that TM is steering the team in the wrong direction. He was awesome getting the kids together the first years of the 5 year plan. The team has graduated now though, ready to play with the big boys. Get them a coach who is ready to take the next step or all your work in the off season will be for nothing.
This is the firs time in a long time the Kings fan expect their team to win. No, not every night. But they should be up there with the top teams every night. With the roster they have it shouldn’t be a problem. We outgrew TM, don’t let him ruin the future.
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CB14 Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 pm
@KingsGirl, +1
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KingsGirl Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:14 am
@CB14, Thanks for the reassurance.
Long time reader, first couple of times I’ve posted today. Trying to get more into it since here with you guys since I seem to be driving my friends and boyfriend insane with all my hockey talk.
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kinginsaltlake Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 6:24 am
@KingsGirl, i must say your comments as of late have been right on. Welcome to the Insanity of the Insiders!!!
how can our offense be so bad? we have such a stacked lineup. it’s frustrating to watch.
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colo king fan Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:43 pm
@letswinthecup2012, well when your offensive strategy is shoot from wherever and pray for a rebound the quality of the players doesn’t matter quite as much.
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Went to the game, fumed all the way home. I was really looking forward to this one. Three comments:
1) Let’s stop making trades with Edmonton
2) When is Doughty ending his holdout? His holdout against All-Star level hockey. I know, there are a hundred reasons/excuses, but we need the post-Olympic Doughty back.
3) Moreau, Richardson and Lewis are contributing nothing. I know they have in the past, we like them, they look great in uniform, etc., but as of the first 12 games it’s been zilch. I don’t see any downside in mixing it up for a few games at the bottom of the Forward depth chart either by dressing Westy, Hunter, Fraser or calling someone up.
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This team is inspired.
The coach and/or system is uninspired.
Granted, its early, but with the talent that has been assembled, and to score 0 goals against a very young team debuting a defenseman {Teubert} for the first time is well, pathetic. Teubert should have been exposed. The offense is stifled in the defense first system. This system was good for a young fragile team, but not for a team loaded with this kind of talent. Open it up!!!
“The Time Is Now”
is it really????
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Is it me, or is hockey getting boring at least the last three home games. the STARS, the DEVILS, and the OILERS bring a boring defensive scheme that is bad for the game. Yes these teams are in first place but they are bad for the game. As soon as these teams get a lead, they go into a shell and line up 5 guys in the neutral zone.
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colo king fan Reply:
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 pm
@Fernando, Boring defensive scheme? I think that’s the Kings you’re watching.
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:25 am
@Fernando, It is a new version of the neutral zone trap.The only way to be effective against it is to put the puck in behind them and run their d-men through the boards and get a cycle going.
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I’m playing the Oilers online on NHL 12 right now -_- wish me luck
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the kings don’t help themselves neither, I would like to see LOKTI and VOYNOV in the line up, Simmonds is missed.
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Guess all that “crashing the net” at practice didn’t work so well. Can’t wait to see what TM has up his sleeve tomorrow! Pretty embarrassing effort and only a day to get it together before an icy storm comes waddling into town. Pro sports = insane pressure.
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I hope some of you on this site, and you know who you are, who insisted starting Bernier was no big deal even though Quick would have 2 days rest come out wherever you are and stand at attention.
That move was a total buzz kill. What this coach did was make a change when no change was needed, its called micromanaging.
And as far as DL is concerned, it is my opinion that he is responsible for the other buzz kill, sending down Voynov when he is clearly better then Martinez or Drewiske. And YES I KNOW, he was the only one that was waiver exempt! But the fact is Voynov is not just good, he is a gamechanger that creates space on the powerplay and is responsible in his own end, BAD MOVE DL.
Next move, get rid of TM and Kompon and bring in some fresh meat, these players are ready for forward thinking in todays game.
Terry Murray….A pre lockout coach in a post lockout era.
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CB14 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:02 am
@puck73, Agree completly. I said the same thing to Dominick on the Brown postgame quotes page, a horrible decision. No one can justify that decision as thr right one after the past 5 games. 1-3-1 and Quick has allowed 3 goals in 4 straight games, Bernier also allowed 3 goals, after a 4 game winning streak and 3 game shutout streak.
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FiG17 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:06 am
@puck73,
I will admit that I was optimistic. I understood and agreed that it was a risky decision, but I wanted to trust TM. It’s not a good kind of crow to eat.
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go kings67 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:17 am
@puck73, quick question? any suggestions on who you would bring in to replace them?
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puck73 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:21 am
@go kings67, Not at the moment. This is anothe reason why Dean makes the big bucks. I am sure he is quite aware who is available.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:40 am
@puck73, As late as last season, I think it was premature to talk about switching coaches. However, with all the moves they made in the offseason, Murray has to come up with better answers for failure than “bad bounces” and “shot mentality.” I think the responsibility has now crept beyond him to Lombardi. I think something like “We need consistency by Christmas or I’m accountable for making some changes.”
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MDJ Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:41 am
@puck73,
It shouldn’t matter who plays in net for 1 game. Bernier isn’t the cause for 1 goal in 3 games. Quick’s back in net and he’s still playing a heck of a game, just as he was before he sat one game. I’ll agree with you if Quick’s play was the cause but that’s not the case at all.
Why isn’t there any offense? When we sustain pressure in the offensive zone, it’s non-threatening because it’s cycle possession down low that doesn’t lead to anything. Offensive numbers are often misleading. What good is it if we spend a bunch of time in the offensive zone if 80% of it creates a non threatening scoring opportunity or if we shoot the puck twenty something times but their easy to save? Cycling is good but it needs to be changed up either to different cycle or something else.
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and im off to bed, but i’ll leave you all with a statistic – two teams in the English premier league (yeah, soccer) have scored more goals in 10 games than the Kings have scored in 12.
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Bravo Mr. Murray. You had the guys focused all week on neutralizing the speed of the Oilers young stars Hall, Eberle, and Hopkins, and managed to keep them off the score board. Good game plan.
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Bad bounces, seriously? At this point I think it’s less about Terry’s system and more about his team growing tired of his shtick. If a team doesn’t believe in a system, or worse their head coach, then he is no longer effective. The team has out grown his simpleton approach and the opposition has found a way to neutralize his predictable offense.
Terry no longer has his finger on the pulse of this team (if he ever did). Yes, his decision to sit Quick in the middle of a historic run was mind blowing and I personally think it further undermines his credibility with the team. But also the decision to send Voynov down in order to protect DD2 from waivers makes no sense. This guy has no idea what this team needs or how to get them to respond.
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puck73 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:16 am
@uknojata, DL is the one responsible for sending Voynov down. Everything else, totally agree. Murray actually wanted Voynov to stay, give him that much credit.
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The Kings lost because of some really bad bounces, but never were a threat to score throughout the game. Those bad bounces go both ways if the threat is there to begin with.
The play even when it was scoreless seemed too safe by the Kings. Nothing changed once we were down either. At some point, the offense is going to have to attack. If 20 something teams can figure out how to produce offense better than the Kings, while facing the same teams in the league that the Kings play, then it’s not inconceivable to expect the same from the Kings.
This is a line up that has even improved in capabilities, and yet offensive confidence has never been lower in the last 3 years. It’s time to switch to a possesion game before it’s too late. Puck management only, is killing the offense, and the shots on goal are getting harder to come by as teams figure out the system better. The system has to adapt, and at least play a hybrid of both styles to keep opponents from guessing right most nights.
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puck73 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:29 am
@Dominick, Bravisimo !
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:35 am
@Dominick, Nice points,Also check this out i looked at the team stat’s tonight for the first 12 games and it jumped out at me that the team is getting almost zero secondary scoring the 3rd line has scored 1 goal by stoll,the 4th line has 1 goal by clifford,the only D-man on the roster with a goal is J.J. with 3. the top lines are producing but without secondary scoring teams can focus more on shutting down our top lines.In my opinion if the secondary scoring does not improve this team has 0 chance of winning a cup.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 10:44 am
@Dominick, – I agree 100%, I’m beginning to think we are actually missing puck posession guys like Zeus & Simmer. I watched the Sharks game after the kings lost and saw Zeus totally dominating his defender with puck down low. And then making a perfect pass and the puck is in the net. Penner, even though a big a capable guy can’t seem to keep posession of the puck down low. I noticed many times in this game, when we penetrated (which wasn’t vry often) that we couldn’t keep posession of the puck down low. I dunno… maybe the kings should try playing a game like they do in pick-up leagues. Just put your best lines out there tell them to play “their” game that brought them here.
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wavesinair Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 10:57 am
@Dominick,
Are you advocating “dump and chase” without saying it?
“yet offensive confidence has never been lower in the last 3 years”
I beg to differ.
As for hanging onto the puck down low a-la zues, simmer and fro-fro… maybe a refresher course in frustration over a stagnant offense and no imagination needs to take place by going back and reading the thousands of comments furious over that style of play.
I actually think the offense is going to come along and that right now it’s just a matter of adjusting to the new systems in place.
If not, then TM will indeed be in for a very long (or very short) season.
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Dominick Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
@wavesinair,
Puck possesion has nothing to do with dump and chase, or carrying it in. It doesn’t even have anything to do with how long a player holds onto the puck. Puck possesion, and puck management has to do with where teams attack in the offensive zone.
Possesion teams attack whenever possible between the dots. Puck Management teams attack whenever possible from the dot to the boards.
The Kings are a puck management team (like Boston, Dallas, or Philly). Detroit is a possesion team (like Vancouver, Edmonton, or Pittsburgh). Some teams are hybrids (like San Jose, Tampa, and Washington). Some teams are still trying to create an identity (like Columbus, and so on).
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Not sure why all our fans are asking for TM’s head. Facts: TM coached 2 division champ philly teams one of which went to stanley cup finals as East champs all in just 3 years! Then he coached the PANTHERS! THE PANTHERS! to a franchise record 98 points and a trip to the playoffs all in 1 SEASON! now with the kings, he has alright taken us back to the playoffs 2 times in 3 seasons! what more could u ask from a head coach with a young team. now that we have some VETERANS, the blame goes all on TM???Shouldnt veteran players be responsible for their play???
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puck73 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:35 am
@go kings67, Good enough to win a division, and good enough to get you to the playoffs but not advance…..anyone?…….Marty Shottenheimer.
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go kings67 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:39 am
@puck73, he actually did advance to the cup finals. not to mention, he was only given 3 years in philly, 1 1/2 in florida because he was only the interim, and now 3 in LA. ALL of which were teams struggling to even get to the playoffs including ours. how is that not impressive?
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puck73 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:48 am
@go kings67, He has done a good job teaching defense, now it is time to get someone to teach offense and TM is clearly not the guy.
Bkrs-Bud Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 1:05 am
@go kings67, Because it is easier to blame the coach than blame their beloved players for poor play.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:42 am
@puck73, Dead on. This guy is channeling Shottenheimer–at best. He may have had the juice several years ago, and he may have been the right guy two years ago, but things change.
@Bkrs-Bud, Lombardi brought in premium talent because he knows it’s time to win, and the core group is ready. The coaching simply doesn’t appear up to it.
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colo king fan Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:51 am
@puck73, not a bad theory, but every year it seems like he gets closer to norv turner. >.<
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:58 am
@go kings67, yup TM proven he a great Coach but he can only go soo far.
He has the right tools.He got everything and we still talking about Offense problems.
So to me if we have the right tools and we have anything in place it got to be the style of his system that needs to flex for the offense and he lacking a offense style.
Its a reason why other Team fired him or didn’t resign him.
Kings do great when they follow his system but they only score about 2 to 3 goals and when they are down by 1 or 2 they just stop playing the game. U expect the TM call a timeout or get them going after the periods but he doesn’t seem like he doing that at all.So something got to give.
yea they play horrible but we have players that could score so its funny how we still struggling at the same spot we left at in the beginning.
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colo king fan Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:27 am
@go kings67, well lets see…
there was the no timeout incident in the playoffs last year… the giant, seemingly endless midseason slumps, the fact that they have 26 goals in 12 games, the fact that 25g per year guys come here and completely disappear, he shows no emotion, makes excuses for himself and everyone else on the bench, his offensive strategy is to shoot from anywhere and hope to god you get a rebound (spray ‘n’ pray)… that enough or shall i continue?
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colo king fan Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:30 am
@go kings67, oh and lets not forget startergate… which by the way, seemed to open the door for this funk their in now. that was AWFUL coaching, there is simply no way around it… and to make matters worse, he followed it up by giving Quick 2 starts in a row on a back-to-back which almost never happens, and the first game was even an OT game!! explain that one, i dare you.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 10:52 am
@colo king fan, – As Cheryl Crows says “a change would do you good” “a change would do you good” I like Murray… just not as our head coach. Same as I like Westgarth… just not as our enforcer, I like Doughty… ok… so I think he’s a smug overpaid pompous $@!&^* (OK I’ll stop)
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DLB Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:50 am
@go kings67, hockey changed after the lockout, though. There are different eras.
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freezer flatten Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
@go kings67, murray will never get a kings team past the first round of the playoffs.
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1. Firing TM would solve nothing all it would do is prob hire a worse coach like when Andy Murray got fired then Kings were terrible for a long time and there is nobody out there to hire that is even good i dont think
2. I dont see how this is TM fault at this point this is all on the players TM can only do so much but hes not the one that is playing out there. people get all pissed about his system well hes made the playoffs 2 years in a row ya first round knock outs but it took how many years before that? so he must be doing something right.
3. Tonight i felt like i was watching i minor league game horrible passes, horrible shooting, Quick was the only one that looked like that showed up to play. Doughty still thinks hes a forward and it almost cost him on one goal and he just got flat out beat on the 3rd basically standing there so he hasn’t changed much still dont think hes worth all the money and Kopi, Richards and Gagne really need to pick it up also
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go kings67 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:31 am
@Kasey9, dude! thank you! its time we starting holding the players accountable for minor league mistakes and not calling for management to shake things up!
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its simple.. when players come to the kings they dont score. when they leave the kings they score… whether its the coaching, the system, or the LA water, something is making them not score..we have guys who have scored 20+ goals every season and cant do crap right now.. it actually seems worse than last year.., I really hope DL got the coaching change feeling like I did tonite..
its the point where we have all the right tools.. murray has been given some top notch players. its his job to put them together to where they can succeed
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 10:56 am
@jason, – I think it’s being at sea level. The puck bounces diferently here.
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Pretty good obviously isnt fricken good enough! Were not doing enough to score and it’s translating into losses period. They need to figure it out and now cuz this team honestly looks worse than what we had last year.
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BTW this is typical LA Kings best team in October..Worst team in November/December then pick it back up after new years lol
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another thing im confused about…we want kompon fired…from what i can see, PP is working and moving the puck, we’re creating chances. whats really happening, and anybody who watches the games can verify this, our team is not connecting passes. simple passes. how does that turn into kompon being fired?
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Poor positioning, inability to connect passes, and not enough puck control. That is where our problems are. Anyone who has played hockey should know that each of these 3 things can be practiced but its up to the players to execute!!! Right now, they are not executing.
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Remember the chemistry between brownie and kopi? Gagne and Richards?
brown-kopi-richie
gagne-richards-willie
penner-stoll-parse
clifford-lewis-moreau
Obviously the gagne-kopi deal was just good timing. Each line needs a gritty player for puck possession, a play maker and a goal scorer.
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freezer flatten Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
@go kings67, even clifford isnt agressive this year.
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@puck73 Still dont understand why. i cant see why the inability of 6+ veteran players to consistently put up numbers is a coaching problem. we all have heard reports about the locker room being tight and having good chemistry, we saw our top guys extremely upset tonight with the way the game went, i dont see how TM is creating problems as far as his “system” or team moral.To me, thats a cop out!
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KingsFanFletch Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 1:37 am
@go kings67, I definitely agree. Everyone wants to blame the coach in all sports, and in some cases it is deserving, but right now we need to give our guys time to get that chemistry. Richards and Gagne are brand new to their linemates, and Parse has limited experiences with anyone on the team, making him somewhat of a new addition as well. Anyone watching the game tonight could see that we played totally uninspired hockey. If we were playing inspired, Smitty would’ve been welcomed back with a huge check right off the bat, and that baby line they had out there would have been getting scrummed around all night. None of that happened. This team needs to play scrappier hockey, and blaming the coach for that is a cop out.
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ToughD Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 1:51 am
@go kings67, Agreed, coach is not to blame. It’s about the players. But it’s still early, when the “finger-pointing” time does comes I’d start with Dean Lombardi.
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Scot Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:20 am
@go kings67,
Couldn’t disagree more.
Why, for 3 straight years, all under the same coach, with a different group of players each year, has this team struggled to score goals? There have been plenty of offensive weapons on the Kings. More than many other teams.
Look at Phoenix.. Who are their best offensive players? Shane Doan? Ray Whitney? Korpikoski or Vrbata? Have you even heard of all those guys? I believe Phoenix leads the league in goals. To me, that’s coaching, & Dave Tippett making the best of what he’s been given. Tippett is finding a way to utilize his players the best AFTER finding out what kind of players he has. Terry Murray however, brings in his system, while having total disregard for what his players’ strengths are, & uses HIS system because he believes it’s good. He needs to cater more to the players he’s been given. Maybe in the past, that system worked with different rosters in the late 90′s, but it doesn’t work with this team.
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:43 am
@Scot, Actually the flyers are leading the league with 47 the yotes have 34.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 11:10 am
@Scot, – Any decent manager with any success at all (in any kind of business) knows that recognizing each individual’s skills and utilizing them to the best of THEIR ability is really his ONLY job. I’m tired of excuses. I’m tired of all this “system” BS talk. I’m tired of players coming here who were scorers who don’t score. I’m tired of a 30+ goal scorer and puck posession master like Frolov being used in a 3rd line shut down role. I’m tired of players not wanting to play here because they know their numbers will drop, thus their future worth drops. What’s the common thread here? C’mon people… it’s TERRY MURRAY.
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iekingfan71 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:40 am
@go kings67, Why are you such a TM defender? He has NEVER won a Stanley Cup. We can all see plain as day that this team does not belive in TM anymore. He did himself no favors by benching JQ when he was on a hot streak. Players are constantly being demoted and I think he has them all wound so tight. There is no chemistry and I don’t blame the players, we need to ditch the TM lottery line-up wheel and get these players to get out of their head and use their talents and skills effectively. It seems like all game long we are switching lines to find that “magical” combination. Sometimes you just need some consistency!
I will hold the players responsible in this one area. We do not shoot the puck on target without hitting a defensemen. Not only that, but often the blocked shot turns into a great opportunity for the other team. DD is not making me a believer and Martinez has been off. Either it is the system or the players. If it is the players then why aren’t we giving our prospects a chance. Teams seem to have us figured out. Time for a change!
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I hate to say it terry Murray but you may be looking at your last few games with the Los Angeles Kings , you are a good coach and you have very good defensive schemes but when it comes to understanding how a prolific offense works you seem lost , you insist on playing penner knowing that he is just not the right fit for this team , you seat quick after 3 straight shutouts and completely take him out of his zone, your lines make no strategic sense whatsoever. We would like to thank you for all the hard work but we are going nowher except to an early exit from the playoffs if we keep you around, but don’t worry Dean Lombardi may join you soon enough don’t think LA fans have forgotten about the Dustin penner trade or not pulling the trigger on the kovalchuck deal , he is the best scout in the league but as far as bringing in the big fish this gentleman has no idea what he is doing ( why do you think he got fired fromsan Jose ) , I love this team and I spend a lot of money to support them but at the same time I expect to get what I pay for and Dustin penner is not what I paid for and the effort they have shown this season is not what I’m paying for ….
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KingsFanFletch Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 1:42 am
@Mcsorley’stick93, I’m sorry but what you’re paying for doesn’t scratch the surface compared to what ownership pays the players lol. You can’t blame DL for not signing Kovalchuck, the guy didn’t want to play in LA and he couldn’t help that. The Penner trade looked great on paper, has been a disaster thus far, but i’m not ready to give up on him yet. If he can play good hockey, having a guy like that on the 3rd line would make us one of (if not THE) deepest team in hockey. Everyone posting on here needs to step back, breathe, and give this team some time.
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Duckbasher Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 11:13 am
@KingsFanFletch, – Can I mention getting ZILCH for Smyth (Edmonton’s leading scorer).
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Mcsorley'stick93 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
@KingsFanFletch, You need to get better informed kovi ,was ready to sign his wife was excited to be part of our community it was a done deal but Lombardi backed off , I know this for a fact , you want more proof Lombardi isn’t a good GM just wait till Zach Parise becomes a free agent dean Lombardi will pretend he is interested but we will let him get away, and where do you think ownership get money to pay the players from ticket holders (partly) so in a way I’m paying Dustin penner to do nothing
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iekingfan71 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 7:42 am
@Mcsorley’stick93, Is it lack of effort with DP or a lack of speed and skill? Maybe he is just not that good?
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Everyone needs to chillllll ouuuut. It is an 82 game season! I agree that the offense needs to be opened up a bit more but I think as the season goes on and these guys get used to each other it will happen. You can tell some of these guys simply aren’t on the same page with each other. TM isn’t out on the ice making poor decisions with the puck, we’ll leave that to Justin Williams. Everyone calling out Penner need to start watching #14 because where the eefffff has he been at recently? I watch every game the kings play and J Will seems to be getting worse and worse as the season rolls on. He’s a skilled player but he really seems to just be going through the motions out there lately. I’ve liked what i’ve seen from Penner more lately, he’s been getting better. Gagne missed the past 2 weeks, which for a pro athlete is an eternity. Everyone needs to chill out for now and realize that it’s a marathon not a sprint. I’m hoping that Murray will let the offense open up more and tweak his system a bit, but we also have to give all these new players time to get used to everything that comes with joining a new team. Everyone RELAX. it’s a long season.
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If you have kids, would you have a kindergarten teacher try to teach a high school chemistry class? Of course not. The Kings have a coach who only knows defense and wants ever plaer to be a two way player squelching their offense capabilities. This is perhaps the most talented Kings team that just cannot execute. TM just cant cut the mustard
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:54 am
@Is this the year?, Sorry but i have to disagree about the talent our 3rd and 4th lines stink if you do not believe me check the stat’s,i did. this team still needs a left and right winger that can score to be considered a legit cup contender.
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We had a couple bad bounces out there? Was one of them the coin which Lombardi flipped when he was deciding between you and Sutter?
Give me a break, that is an embarrassing excuse. And yes Terry, the play was very uninspired, unfortanately I know because I’ve been a Kings fan since 1995 and I’ve seen a lot of it.
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“The second period, obviously, was the period that was the problem for us.” That wasn’t the only period in which they did not score. Terry Murray is running out of excuses and pretending they’re playing well enough to win. The difference between the Colorado game and this disaster is that they actually created offense in Colorado (though they didn’t play as well defensively.) They didn’t get the breaks in either game, but when that starts happening over and over, you start to recognize that good teams make their breaks. This team seems to have lost the will to play for Murray.
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kings management better wake up,! When he sat out Quick after 3 shutouts, I new TM made a big mistake and said to myself this guy does not get it, never in the history of NHL HAS SOMEONE SAT HIS GOALIE AFTER 3 shutouts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you craz,y TM you are &/$$::;$&$;$:!:!:$:$!.!,$:&/&\€|>>|^|{||€^€>|!|€€€*\€|€!|’s…
Then to send Slava down after his performance… You could have rewarded him with one more game and sat out AM a game just to lite fire out him… I said it for the last 2 years hes old school and TM has a history of not going far in playoffs, this team would have gone far long time ago if TM was not coach, of new-speed-two-way NHL game that’s players play today! LA IS STUCK IN TIME! 2005
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FIRE TM!!! This is ridiculous, I almost put my remote through the TV when they cut to close ups of him. So frustrating!!
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Pretty pathetic effort by the Kings. seemed like the only good parts of the game was when they were shorthanded. should have taken more penalties i guess, thats the only time they got chances.
how many times did they carry the puck into the offensive zone, not get it in deep, and lose it and go back the other way. i understand wanting to play a more possession style offensive game, but after if keeps failing, you might want to adjust. dump the puck in, forecheck, grind down their D, gain possession, get the cycle going, good things will happen. it was very frustrating to watch, just glad i didnt have to pay money to see that!
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TM should blame the 3rd jersey…
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Darren Dreger’s list of 10 potential head coaches:
http://tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=379000
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Hail Kings Fans:
One goal in the last three home games! The top team in the league coming to play in 48 hours!!! Ouch!!!
Last night the Kings were smothered, overrun, out coached, out hustled, out played, out schemed, and out worked. How can a team go from last to first in one year?? NO rebounds from their goalie. In short, NO NOTHING from the Kings.
The players and the coaches need a good, swift kick in the pants!! I suspect that their is some emotional discord in the “room”. Their is a total lack of real, sustained effort for all three periods. This team is not going anywhere by only playing 30-35 minutes a game. The need for increased 5 on 5 scoring for the last three years is a problem that has gotten worse, not better!! The responsibility to fix it starts with DL on down!! Is there a “cancer” in the room? Is Penners play the problem?? Is it Kom Pons coaching? Is it TMs scheme? Dump and chase is a scheme of the past in this league!! ” IT” had better be removed soon!!!!
I think TM made a big mistake by not continuing to play Quick after the three shutouts. Why change something if its not broke??
Penner is not a top six forward, based on his play. One assist in 10 games?? Richardson and Lewis are good skaters, but nothing else!! Our third and fourth lines stink!!
And where were our “stars” last night?? The only “core” guy that played well was JJ. His overall play this year has been terrific!!
Normally you would wait for the first 20 games before making any major changes. If I had to do anything now, it would be the following:
1 – Bring back Voynow. Grenne and Martinez are both at least -4. Greene gets beat by smaller, quicker players at times. Martinez is not effective if he is not getting shots on net. He can be a defensive liability. I would waive Martinez, pair Voynov with Davis D. and let Greene be the seventh D.
2 – Put Stoll, Moreau, and Hunter as the 3rd line. Their job is to keep the puck in front of them and punish the defense with their forecheck.
3 – Clifford, Lewis, and Richardson become the 4th line, they played well in the playoffs last year.
4 – Penner, Richards, and Brown become the second line. Richards and Brown need to “motivate” Penner to play with more intensity.
5 – Remove Kom Pon. Find an ex-player (forward) who knows how to manage his players.
These five steps may seem like desperate measures, but doing nothing will only make this worse. November games are just as important as March games!! NOW is better than LATER!!!
GKG!!!
Ever hopeful in Albany NY.
Goldentoe
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jonsey Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 8:59 am
@Martin Hoffmann,
Those ideas are all pretty good. I don’t know how well it would go to get rid of Greene (an assistant captain).
How many are ready to bring in Wayne?
Do it Wayne!
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Martin Hoffmann Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
@jonsey, I would love to bring back Wayne to coach the forwards!! Great idea. I saw a clip of him recently where he was not ready to come back full time. I am not down on Greene. We need to get a real puck moving defenseman to keep up with the fast teams like Edmonton.
Thanks for the reply.
Goldentoe
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Time for a coaching change and a new CAPTAIN, Brownie is not the Team leader he use
to be. I say name Kopi or Richards captain. Hell, their are 4 others I would go with
for a new captain.
(((yawns))) just woke up. go King… ah never mind
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lol!!! So all a team has to do to beat us is block shots. We’re not smart/creative enough to adjust the plays to avoid the shot blocker or try different types of shots on goal??? With the roster we have we should be flat out dominating portions of every game we play like Detroit, Wash, and Pits do. Yes the other teams are going to get their chances but we should have the majority of the good scoring chances. We also need to be winning games by much more than 1 goal when we do win. So much talent, so little results. Looks like it’s going to be a long season…
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Maybe the King’s problem lies much deeper than TL. Mr.Dean Lombardi. First he very cleverly tells management when hired, he needs five years to accomplish his goals. So he has a locked in contract for at least that long. He hires Murray (surprised he didnt hire another re-tread like Keenan)keeps Kompon and talks about building through the draft.The fact is every previous Stanley Cup contender was rebuilt within three years. And contending coaches were young and fresh to the league. Now the draft. At the end of his first season if the Kings had lost their last meaningless game they could have drafted #1 and Stamkos. (Dont throw the game just play your worse players). ‘We have to build the back end first’ he said. He took DD #1 and kept drafting more D’s. DD is now turning out to being a great OHA player in the NHL. They’ve all figured our his spinorama move and a one man rush across the blue line doesnt work in The Show (unless you’re Bobby Orr). Who of all his other draft picks are now playing for the Kings? Quick,Bernier,Clifford,Lewis, Westgarth….count the number of goals scored? Next look at King’s ‘draft rich’ farm system… one player ready to play. Voynov another D. Now trades. Penner, Richardson, Smyth for Fraser, count the number of goals? Let’s see what happens with Richards. Have you ever heard his psycho babble when trying to explain what his ‘philosophy’ is? He hired TL…he can fire him. He can also fire Kompon. In baseball we’re seeing a new generation of GM’s like Theo Epstein.Maybe its time for hockey and the Kings.
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Does Mike Richards have a clause in his contract that allows him to avoid all post game interviews? Don’t remember Rich ever getting comments from him after games.
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Sebastian Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:02 am
@Cup B4 I Die, i think the team chooses 2 to 3 players to make available for the media after the game. its usually always the captain, sometimes the A’s as well, good perfomers, etc. i dont think the media can pick and choose who they get to interview.
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Cup B4 I Die Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
@Sebastian,
I’m sure that’s the way it goes too. It would be nice to hear from him though.
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The game was very simple. Both teams had good defensive structures and were blocking shots/putting shots to the outside. One team got the bounces. Smyth got extremely lucky, Quick was interfered with, and the other bounced off a skate. Give the guys a break. I really don’t want to log onto this blog anymore merely because after every loss numerous posters here think they could handle the Kings’ coaching and managing operations better than DL or TM. I’m absolutely sick of it. The idea of firing your head coach – who has lead you to become one of the NHL’s best defensive teams, and a playoff team two years running – is laughable. The Kings are in a perfectly fine position in an 82 game schedule. Please, calm down. The seasons has its ups and downs.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 10:11 am
@Alexb20, It’s not that people “think they could handle the Kings’ coaching and managing operations better than DL or TM.” it’s that we know a lame story when we here it, and TM’s stories get more and more lame. Did it occur to you that all Murray is CAPABLE of is leading you to become one of the best defensive teams, and not good enough offense to win in the playoffs? I’m not laughing. DL has given TM everything he could reasonably ask for, and they’re often looking like the same team they were two years ago. Just because they’re not consistently BAD any more doesn’t mean we don’t deserve better.
Ups and downs happen. Downs like THIS aren’t supposed to happen. I used to hold my tongue until the streak got to six or seven. I used to even criticize the critics. What changed? The team got better but the play didn’t. That’s a big fat finger pointing at the coach, right there.
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Alexb20 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Okay. That’s fair. I understand all the sentiments asserting that Terry Murray has no idea how to run an offensive unit – I get that, I even agree with that to an extent. What I can’t comprehend is precisely what people are demanding out of this team. What do you mean by a down like “THIS”? Two losses. The wings are on a six-winless streak. Two is fine. Are you making an indication of how many goals were scored per game? Are you angered that we got beat by the Oilers, and you believe we shouldn’t have? I just want to see more of the season before a make a wholesale judgment.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@Alexb20, It’s not the two losses. It’s unrealistic to put it in that context. It’s they WAY those games were lost, and the failure to perform, offensively, any better in almost every game so far. The THIS is lack of offense going WAY back. It has nothing to do with the Oilers, who played a fine game, and made themselves some breaks.
It is time to fire TM – he has been given everything he needs to create offense and he can’t do it. He just doesn’t understand what is needed to score goals in today’s game. He was great to teach the team to play defense but the Kings generated almost zero chances.
It’s time to move on – I don’t know if DL should give Stevens the gig or go outside the organization, I just know that this team has absolutely no chance to win with Murray. He has taken them as far as he can.
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Kasey9 Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
@Dave, One month into the season and already wanna fire him? sorry but hes not the one thats playing out there this is a player issue not the coaches.
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Goal scoring under the current system we play will always be an issue. This isn’t new, or something that is temporary aberration, it’s the nature of the coaching philosophy.
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Been a Kings fan since 1970. TM Has been a good coach, we all get it. question is… if he is/was so good everywhere else as another blogger pointed out, why isnt he coaching those teams? If he didnt resign from those gigs, it’s because he wasn’t getting the job done. Period. Getting to the finals/playoffs and not winning isnt the goal, just like struggling to get into the playoffs and lose in round 1, is no longer our goal. Been there, done that, twice, with this administration. Its a results oriented league. Being good defensively is important, especially in the playoffs, but you have to get there with at least a couple of goals. What are the current results for TM? You all know, no one’s boss cares what you did last year, or somewhere else, its all about the bottom line and if you dont get it done youre gone. The boss has no idea what his team is feeling and doesnt even know what they think! Yikes!! 2 way communication to create a cohesive successful environment must be overrated I guess. Finally when all the players who played for TM/Stevens came on board, no one said the were excited to play 4 them or in their system. All I heard was the word “familiarity.” Not a ringing endorsement. I am familiar with the traffic on the 405, but… There’s still time to gel, but if it doesnt happen in the next few games, we cant afford to wait to find a solution which allows WHOMEVER is in charge, to get a consistently strong effort, backed by RESULTS, which lead to meeting goals… and scoring some too.
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freezer flatten Reply:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
@Black Knight, touche.
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Sure looked uninspired from Section 107… actually, it looked more like this team has never played a game together and didn’t really care to. I hate to admit that I’ve become rather immune to losses like this over the past few years and know that it will pass, but I had the opportunity to bring two new-to-hockey friends last night, and I had hoped for a much better game/effort from the Kings. This was NOT the best game to use to create new fans.
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