The first month of the season concludes with tonight’s game. Follow the action on Fox Sports West and on 1150-AM and affiliates, with all the pertinent game updates here as well…
THIRD PERIOD
In goal: It’s still Quick against Varlamov.
Avalanche 3, Kings 2: Colorado took a 3-2 lead 1:52 into the third period. Matt Duchene took a pass from David Jones and brought the puck up the left side. Duchene pulled up at the left circle and Drew Doughty went down to try to block the shot, but Duchene’s high shot beat Quick to the far post.
End of game: The Kings outshot the Avalanche 31-16, but failed to record three regulation goals for the ninth time in 11 games this season. The Kings were handed their first regulation road loss and finished this road trip with a 1-1-1 record.
SECOND PERIOD
In goal: It’s still Quick against Varlamov.
Avalanche 2, Kings 1: A power-play goal gave the Avalanche the lead 9:04 into the second period. Quick went behind his net to play a dump-in, but the puck caromed hard off the end boards and right to the front of the net. Milan Hejduk picked it up, turned and scored before Quick could get back in position as Colorado took a 2-1 lead. David Jones and Kyle Quincey got assists.
Kings 2, Avalanche 2: The special-teams goals continued, as the Kings tied the game with a 5-on-3 goal with 1:16 remaining in the second period. Drew Doughty’s shot was saved, and Dustin Brown poked at the rebound before Anze Kopitar knocked it in from the left side to tie the game 2-2.
End of period: Shots were 14-4 in favor of the Kings in the second period, and the Kings have a 25-9 edge in shots for the game. The Kings are 2-for-3 on the power play and 2-for-3 on the penalty kill.
FIRST PERIOD
In goal: It’s the Kings’ Jonathan Quick against the Avalanche’s Semyon Varlamov.
Avalanche 1, Kings 0: Colorado failed to score on two early power plays, but scored a shorthanded goal 6:55 into the game. Chuck Kobasew carried the puck deep and got around Drew Doughty, headed toward the back of the net. Quick appeared to be going for a poke check, but couldn’t get back in position before Kobasew scored on a wraparound. Gabriel Landeskog and Shane O’Brien got assists.
Kings 1, Avalanche 1: The lead lasted only 27 seconds, though, as the Kings scored a power-play goal. Jarret Stoll’s wrist shot from the high slot got deflected on the way to the net and Scott Parse, to the left of the net, whacked at the puck and scored from close range to make it a 1-1 game 7:22 into the first period.
End of period: After the early special-teams flurry, neither team had a power play. Shots were 11-5 in favor of the Kings in the period.
Calling my shot, 2-1 Kings. Richardson and Williams with the goals.
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
@CB14,
-glad you’re positive (can I borrow some of that?), I have an unsettling feeling about this one.
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
@jess, but I am calling goals from brown and richards:)
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
@jess, Yes, feel free. I’ve had enough negative comments today that I felt a change was needed. Hopefully I won’t be reversing course after watching the Kings play.
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
@CB14, would be really nice to see doughty moving a little more comfortably out there tonight and wishing parse and lewis each a good game too. If by some stretch of a miracle penz came through that would be the icing on the cake.
CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Dustin Penner, “cake yummmmm”
KingsGuy Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
@jess, I think we can shut em down…
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
@KingsGuy, right on
kingfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
@CB14, Penner breaks through today.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
@kingfan and KingsGuy, I like the optimism!
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let’s go boys
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Cliffy with a scrap tonight. Kings win 3-1 Kopi/williams/JJ
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Kings have given up an avg. of 29.5 shots per game…..they need to cut that number down…tired of the Kings being outshot(I know they have been winning those games but it will catch up to them)
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the Kings look offensively challenged so far to me, maybe tonight they break out–>8-3.Richards 4 points
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The Kings are 19th in shots….for a coach that has been preaching for shots for three years…that is embarrassing…
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
@neil, like slip on a bannana peel embarrasing or wet the bed embarrasing?
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billanthony Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
@neil, I wouldn’t quite say embarrassing, but they can do better.
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Paul G Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
@neil, can we PLEASE replace TM already?
never liked him
he was never good
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Is anyonw else having issues with FSW on dish? My HD! No!!!
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JJ and DD were out together to start the game. hmmm Penalty. crap
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nice hit greene!!!
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GO KINGS GOOOOOO!!!
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Go Kings Taco!
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Another Penalty. Damm it. Penner
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Dammit. Plus, that play looked offsides.
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bench penner please!!!!!
he is no good to the kings
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matty muls Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
@matty muls,
i wanted to like him after all the conditioning talk over the summer and it being a contract year. i thought he was gonna solid for us but so far im not seeing it at all
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Nice PK – at least that part of team play is consistent. Unfortunately, Penner is remaining consistent also – consistently bad.
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Shakes Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
@DesertKing,
at least he’s not complaining about skate problems like Roenick
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Jeff Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
@Shakes, Yea well Penner just got us a PP.
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
@DesertKing, Seems he cannot find himself in LA. He has skill sets, with size, strength, enough foot speed and good hands, but can’t put it together for unknown reasons? First problem is he cannot play with Kopi…too slow and it keeps Kopi’s pace too slow, a bad habit of Kopi’s which is begisling. Wish Kopi wasn’t so nice on the ice. A number of rumor mills have him(Pens) being shopped around the league? Playing with Stollie is his only shot at production in LA(well meshed styles). Got wrong player at deadline last year!
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Lewis on the pk. Not too bad.
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matty muls Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
@vplaza,
he’s been damn good on the PK this year! liking his play a lot
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
@matty muls,
I like it.
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Puckn-A Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
@vplaza, I expect a lil more from a mid 1st round pick 5 years after he was drafted to be playing 4th line/ PK duties.
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
@vplaza, Its more the unit itself and not the individuals on it! The system if executed properly will always work with talent level of PK units. Like to see Lok kill pens with Mikie…threatening kills for a change! PP still too slow with bad point play on top! Lucky play for PPG tonight. Anything from the Parse Haters? Probably a close one tonight. I don’t expect much tonight or anytime soon. Disappointing start for this group so far in 10+ games. No finish, No net presence, No crease dirty work, nuetral zone poor play, opponent forecheck pressure killing the break out plays, turnovers, turnovers,= losses, losses! Not exceptable. Expectations better get higher or another disappointer for LAK fans! Underachievers par excellence!
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Nice kill boys!
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pens draws a penalty? (listening on radio)
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Penner drew one right there. Good play, finally.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
@CB14,
Penner with a power move.
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Was that Penner? He was skating.
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atta boy Penner!
good hustle to get the penalty
we all really really want you to succeed in LA, we just want the Kings to succeed more, so whatever get the Kings to do well the quickest is what we want
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Penner = look at what happens when you use your size, strength and skainting ability while going to the net – you draw a penalty – nice job (seriously, really, I’m not joking here, its the truth, I swear, cross my heart).
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You have got to be kidding me.
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Yep, they had us right where they wanted us – on the PP.
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FACEPALM!
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
@tacomakingsfan,
NICE Baseball swing goal!
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OMG! Kopi and DD got smoked.
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
@vplaza, Will the real DD & Kopi please come forward soon? Not yet so far! DD is on same path as last year and a half, a suck path! $7mil bust to me. Rather see Voynov, the better player today! Kopi still sleeping through the early season. No Allstar play here in LA to date! 4-2 Avs! with empty netter!… Or…Kings give the typical 20m minutes of good hockey per game and pull one out of fire. They gotta quit the slop hockey for 2 periods. They did deserve the loss they got in Phoenix last night IMHO!
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Awesome!
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Atta boy Scotty!
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Yesssss. Hopefully it stands.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
It’s good! Stoll finally hits the net and look what happens.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
@CB14,
Penner who??? Put Penner in the press box and leave Parse up.
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KingMe20 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
@tacomakingsfan,
Penner, the guy who drew the penalty and checked the guy off the puck so Stoll could take the shot that led to the goal? That Penner?
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
@KingMe20,
Yes that Penner. I’m pretty sure ANYONE can draw a penalty. I’m looking at the big picture. Parse has done more in scoring in his limited time than Penner.
CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Baby steps. Penner has to crawl before he can walk. LOL
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
@CB14,
LOL He better start learning how to run on his hands while doing hand stands.. for 4.5 mill a year.
CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
@tacomakingsfan, LOL
5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
@CB14, A guy that size making that much dinero should never have to crawl! If he only had a brain or is a heart? I can’t see any remnants of either so far!
That’s prolly not gonna count.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
@vplaza,
Wow, no review at all.
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what a play by parse!!!!!
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Quick goal
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Parse!!
that was Gretzky-esque with the baseball swing!
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nice one stollie
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Stand-by, Toronto involved.
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Jeff Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
@DesertKing, Replay showed it wasn’t even close, great goal.
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Quick never lets on wrap arounds what a weird goal
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PARSEY!!!! guess you were right @puck73…put him on the 2nd line LW and he’ll produce….how bout that goal!!! BEAUTY!!!
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WOW! Im used to it being the other way around for the Kings. Way to go boys!
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whew thank goodness
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Wow Parse. I couldn’t do that once in 500 tries. Beauty there after a deflating short hander to right the ship.
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Avs look confident entering the zone. Kings need to slos that down.
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Penner with a….um…check attempt. Nice pass, though.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
@vplaza,
LOL, spoke too soon.
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Yeah Penner! That’s what i’m talking about.
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Penner with the biggish hit.
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
@Andrew: the second coming, listening on the radio but sounds like he’s getting aggro!
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
@jess, yes he is. He drew a call on a pretty nice move.
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Shakes Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
@Andrew: the second coming,
but if he didn’t draw the penality we would’ve never had the opportunity to give up a short handed goal (i kid, i kiiiiid)
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
@Shakes, Can’t catch a break huh?
Williams not on his game yet.
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Can we please just make a darn stick to stick pass.
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Good shot by EM.
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The rebounds are there to be had against Varlymov.
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i think TM’s move of having Penner being the F1 or F2 but not the F3 who has to hang out higher up in the zone while pressuring, in our scheme, is making a difference also
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Nice hit Moreau!
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Deadmarsh Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
@CB14, Destroyed him!
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
@CB14,
Very close to a penalty, but good hit.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
@CB14, Falcon Punch!
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
@Andrew: the second coming,
6pm… The Walking Dead!!
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Good entry into the zone by Kings.
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Damn, fat rebounds from Varlamov.
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Great pace to this game. Wonder if the Kings can keep this pace going on the second night after the first period.
Lots of rebounds tonight of of Varlamov. We can one off of him later.
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Sweet Intermission.. Time to carve a pumpkin.. =)
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Zombie Taco?
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
@Andrew: the second coming,
Lol.. Nah got my kids gutting the pumpkin.. Can’t trust them with the knife or they might take me out. hehe
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Then you can be @Zombietacomakingsfan
if TM ever scratches Parse again he should be fired on the spot.
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Kopi needs help, Williams is looking for the post game bus, Penner is from another planet, geez he’s terrible…..the 4th line is our new #2 line with Kopi dropping with JW/DP, com’on Kopi I know your sooooooo good let it happen man……
Doughty stay on your feet and play D.
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petemagoop Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
@Harty, Penner looked OK to me in the 1st
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outsider Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
@petemagoop, not to me…
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Attn: Starting a new Kings Rocky Mountain Fan Club here in Utah. Any and all insiders who reside in the region are encouraged to join. Would like to put together a couple of watch parties here in Salt Lake or surrounding areas. The more we have the better it will be. Join and let the fun begin.
GKG
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
@kinginsaltlake, heck if I still lived in Sun Valley ID, I would definitely head out to Salt Lake to have a beer with you!
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kinginsaltlake Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
@jess, Where you at now?
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
@kinginsaltlake, I live in LA now, where I was born
jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
@kinginsaltlake, I’m actually about 2 min from El Segundo now where the kings practice
I had to check and see who got the Kings 1st penalty – did the Kings announcers even announce who received the penalty? Parse, I see now
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4th line has 6 of the 11 shots on net tonight?????????
pick it up gentlemen, stop this
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Penner has looked really good tonight….If only Cliffy,Lewis,or Richardson could give us secondary scoring…
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matty muls Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
@neil,
penner looked like crap to start the game. after his penalty, i think someone lit a fire under him, he looked pretty alright.
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Harty Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
@neil, what game are watching Neil? Really with Penner making his money…..wow unbelievable
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Go Kings Go! Turn those shots into goals!!!
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Richards,Brown and Kopitar with no shots so far…I like the fact the Kings only gaveup 5..That is what I have been wanting to see…
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We miss Gagne. It almost seems that JW doesn’t trust Penner to be where he wants him when he wants him.
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
@DesertKing, hope we see # 12 back in uni soon
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EllieMurray Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
@DesertKing, Does ANYBODY trust Penner to be where the want him to be when they want him? (Last I checked, press box was pretty stationary…)
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Seems like the unspoken ghost has been ethan moreau does anyone know his + – ??
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
@jess, Threve.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
@jess, 0
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Ducks lost, yay!
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Not easy to match their pace….
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Man, another penalty on Parse.
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Parse again? This is redicioulus
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Scott Parse must have a bullseye on him that only referees can see.
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Parse again bro -.-
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Parse has 10 pim the last 2.5 games.
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Jack the Lad Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
@CB14, Goon!
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yikes playing with fire on the no. 1 pp
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WTF?
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Damm it.
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jesus… come one kings!
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matty muls Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
@matty muls,
i meant
come on kings
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Ouch. Bad bounce.
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Dang, home board advantage.
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Geez. Crummy bounce.
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Kopi got back on defense when Mitchell committed deep. Good play by Kopi.
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Jim Fox: “It sucks…” Hahahaha
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Yeah there is Jim, don’t take another stupid penalty.
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did Jim just say “it sucks” on TV?
hahaha. best analysis he’s done all year, and he’s done a lot of good comments
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
@Shakes, Yes he did.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
@Shakes, hahaha awesome.
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neil Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
@Andrew: the second coming, has to be the first time I have heard a announcer say that!!!!
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wow i look at the oilers,sens,avs and other teams with far less talent than us but play a very exciting up-tempo style……and are somewhat better than us……
come on boys….lets pick it up…….
go kings go
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we have no offense….We are lucky to have one goal….
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
@neil,
Sad…but true. Looks like we don’t have much to offer by way of chances.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
@vplaza, But we’re outshooting them 18-9, that’s double if my math is correct. Isn’t that what we want? Sarcasm.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
@neil,
I can hear it now… Shot Mentality.
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Looks like a track meet out there on the ice.
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
@vplaza, which does not benefit us
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
@jess,
Yup.
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So, where is the line shake up?
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
@outsider, Day ain’t over yet.
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Man, those rebounds from Varlamov are so inviting…
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That was a hit to the face… should have been a penalty, and the ref just told us he knows he missed it by his reaction right there before the commercial break.
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Time for Penner to get benched. Dude just throws the puck away once he gets it. Rarely has two hands on his stick.
Total lazy clown.
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matty muls Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
@Verno,
not doing it for me either. he must not realize that he is in a contract year and no one is gonna want him the he’s playing right now
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A goal by Doughty or Penner would really get this team fired up.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
@Niko, A SOG would be fine. Anything!!!
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Penner with a good hit.
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the 7$mil man is looking more like…………………hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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jimrad Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
@gmo, the $500,000 man – way out of place
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Good shift by Penner. DD with too many head fakes. What’s up with Mitchell? I think he has half of the Kings’ shots on goal
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
@vplaza, his shot is way better then last year.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
@Andrew: the second coming,
Looks like he’s been given the green light to let loose.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
@vplaza,
Thinking he needs to slow down with the head fakes and start shooting more. If I remember correctly, head fakes don’t get you a goal. SHOOT DD!
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
@vplaza, someone has to shoot from the point with an open lane! Ds shooting into legs is useless, like JJ, DD and AMart do! Powerless PP Time in Denver now!
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What did the Kings give the Oilers for Penner again? A used puck bag?
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
@RYC, Way too much!
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Kings keep matching the quality of the play against them. Play down to level of competition. Pretty rank performance so far in Denver! They keep it up and they walk away with a zero tonight! This is not a championship caliber group if they don’t have higher expectations and start to believe in something. This has been a glorified practice session in 10+ games so far! Lucky to have 14 points so far…Thanks to J Quick! Like to see a top LA Player get mad a little and sound off in the room. I know I would have in my days!
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Good play by JMFJ on defense.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
@vplaza,Great postioning.
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Hadley Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
@vplaza, Is that the same JMFJ who has been on the ice for the past FIVE opposition goals? I don’t think the stat is kept, but if it is, he is closing in on the record for wretchedness.
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Other than the bad bounce off the boards, the Kings look like they’re keeping up with the Avs.
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
@vplaza, But Avs should be trying to keep up with Kings, right? Who is supposed to be the better group? That’s part of the problem. Hard to screw up a 5 on 3 against a porous defensive team. Good nose by Brownie in front for lay up by Kopi! 1 of 10 DD shots hit net and not glass or the next county wide! A good point man is so vital!
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Really time for Richards, Brown and Voynov to start making plays up the middle and quit relying on that point shot
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
@jess,
Voynov?
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
@vplaza, oh yeah sorry he’s down in the minors:)
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
@jess, Yup he is and our PP is 50% worse for it at least 50% if not more. Perfect though for Kompon era! Where the Hell is Bernie Nicholls to work with the PP units? He’s hunting Elk in Saskatchewan I bet, while we are hunting for a PP with Kompon and Co.!
Good play by DB.
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Lets go PP
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parse on the second line and look at the way they all hustle!! who would have thought that besides TM?
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
@matty muls, Any hockey person would! Parse haters aren’t that!
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The feared Kings PP in action now…
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
@vplaza, The only ones they scare is themselves and us who have to watch that slow motion! It is a smidge better, but the point play sucks as usual! They don’t demand to score goals, they accept not scoring goals as oh well we’ll get em next time! Wrong mentality!
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Williams taking classes from the Jarrett Stoll school of shooting wide.
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Finally a penalty. Referee’s have been blind tonight. Guess even they can’t ignore a slash in the slot.
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We have to get this done. Come on power play.
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5 on 3 boys!!!!! lets get it done now!!!!
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Come on Kings!!!!!
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if we dont score……………..ill freakin go nuts
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KOPI!!!
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YES!!!!!!
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YES!!
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About time.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
@CB14,
No kidding…
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Thank god…
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kopi!!!!!
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KOPIIIIIIIIII
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Doughty seems to be most effective when he fans on his shots lol. Thanks, Anze!
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LOL, that goal was made possible by Penner’s drawn penalty.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
@vplaza, As was the 1st goal.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
@CB14,
He’s not burning up the ice or making the pretty plays, but he’s making use of his big body to force people to take some penalties trying to move him.
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Jeff Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
@CB14, Penner has had a hand in 3 of the 4 goals. He created the two penaltys that have led to both Kings PP goals and unfortunately a shorthander against on one of the PP’s.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
@Jeff, He wasn’t out there on the shorthanded goal.
Harty Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
@vplaza, give me a break if he could skate fast or was quick the D guy wouldn’t have gotten to him behind the net…..stop giving this guy anything he is a bum
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
@Harty, Did you watch the play? The guy was holding him on his way back to the net. Corey Millen wouldn’t have been able to get away from the guy.
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Harty Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@vplaza, saw it all Penner is the bad combination, big, slow and sleepy…….will hurt short and long term
vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
@Harty,
I don’t think you saw the same play. It started in front of the net, with the guy’s right arm around his neck. On his way to the back of the net, the guy pulled him down. Not sure how quickness would have helped him there. In fact, if he was able to get away, then no penalty on that play.
IMHO, it sounds like you’re not willing to give him any credit for anything he does on the ice. That’s your perogative, but I respectfully disagree.
OMG, how do you give up a 3 on 2 when you’re on the PP?
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
@vplaza, Have you never seen the Kings Power Play?
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
@CB14,
My bad. LOL
Srsly, though, I know they’re bad scoring 5-on-4, but they don’t normally give up clear cut 3-on-2 rushes when they’re on the man advantage. Looked bad.
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Jeff Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
@vplaza, The Kings PP is good this year. They were at 19.4% and 11th in the NHL to start the game and now are higher with the 2 scored tonight. Colorado who are first in PP% haven’t netted a PP this game.
Pretty even so far. Without the bad bounce of the boards, Kings are up 2-1.
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Penner drawing PPs that’ll do… for now… alright maybe you should score.. yeah score.
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Rich coming up on T.V.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
@CB14,
Hope he mentions “Startergate”. LOL
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@CB14,
Our Fearless Leader looking good!
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Rich time!
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
@Shakes, Best part of the game? haha
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Anyone else hear the jab at the Denver Broncos by Jim Fox? Made me laugh
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
@HemetKingsFan, Bob Miller said it. Jim Fox just laughed haha.
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after 2 period grading
-Penner (D+)
-Kopi (A)
-Williams (C)
-Quick (B)
-Doughty (C+)
-Richards (A)
……..our high priced help
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
@Harty, Penner has gotten us two pps now. So minus the one pk he took.. Id give him a C
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Harty Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
@Andrew: the second coming, he’s minus 1…… so drawing penalties is easier when your 250lbs and don’t move your feet and hang onto the puck. Tell me Kopi isn’t frustrated with this arrangement
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@Harty,
Penner’s looked really solid since half way through the first. He’s finally out there making things happen. I’d give him a B- maybe a B. He’s definitely above average out there for once
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The Batman Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@Harty, Quick isnt necesarily high priced…. anyways, can’t see the game since im at work, but 2 goals on 9 shots sounds pretty crap but idunno
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neil Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
@Harty, Quick has only faced 9 shots so he would get a incomplete…even if he didnt allow any goals…Kopitat is a minus one and only has 2 shots..so he doenst get a A…Penner is playing really well..
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
@neil, harty just hates Pens haha.
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
@neil, Here we go with that Plus Minus Crap! The worst stat in all of athletics! It does not tell me anything with 5 guys out there at a time! Its a GM’s best friend come contract talk time! It is absolutely a useless measure of performance for an individual player’s critique! Howe and Orr were minus players, as was Esposito and Gretzky many seasons! You would have benched them I guess!
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Hadley Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@5holer, no offense, but Bobby Orr holds the individual season record for Plus. I don’t have time to look it up, but the number is phenomenal — something like a Plus 124. Gretzky is among the top five all-time in Plus-Minus.
Hadley Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
@5holer, I took the time to look it up — Wayne Gretzky is third all-time with a career Plus of 518. The individual season record is by Bobby Orr — a Plus 124 in 1970-71. Orr had three other seasons with more than Plus 80 — and another three on top of that with Plus 50 or better. I will not take the time to look up Gordie Howe’s late-in-life Plus/Minus, but I can assure you the stat was not kept when he played with the Red Wings in the 1950s. Admittedly, there are many problems with the Plus/Minus stat — but identifying the greatness of individual players such as Wayne Gretzky or Bobby Orr does not happen to be one of them.
Hadley Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
@5holer, not to beat a dead horse, but simply to prove I have no life, I looked up Gordie Howe’s record. The Plus/Minus stat was not kept for the first 20 years of Howe’s career. It came into existence when Howe was 39. At age 40, Howe was a Plus 45 for Detroit; at age 49, he was a Plus 46 for the Whalers; at age 51, he was a Plus 9 for the Whalers back in the NHL. Overall in his dotage, Howe was a Plus 136. He did have one blip in his very short final season with the Wings — a Minus 2 in 1970-71 for 21 games.
5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
@Harty, Are you scoring a baseball game here? The team is playing C- period! There is a glimmer of the traded for Penner tonight! His wheels are turning quite regularly and things happen with his 235+ frame! Need everyone coming out to put it all out there on the ice for awhile! Would be nice to see what this group could be if it applied itself! Execution, like the late Al Davis would say, execute and just win baby!
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That’s the way to do it, Pens. Don’t try to score but get involved then good thing will happen.
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all joking aside….what is the Kings offensive style(5 on 5)??? Iam sure DL and others for the last 3 years have seen the same thing we have…lack of scoring on the 5 on 5…..What are we not doing???
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@neil,
Dump and chase? But against the Avs up tempo game, they can’t do that.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
@neil,
We’re not scoring?
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Kenny44 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
@neil, Our offensive style has been to make life as easy on the D as possible. Get it deep, control the puck along the wall until the point opens up, then get a point shot and go for rebounds. Tonight, Fox was saying that the F2 has been encouraged to get in a little faster on the forecheck. That will increase our chances of making a dump and chase work, but creates more space for a counter-attack if we don’t get/keep possession.
Maybe this new wrinkle contributed to the huge gap between the forwards and D tonight. We’ve got very skilled D, so I’d encourage them to challenge the puck carrier earlier and more often up the ice. If you’re going to pay as much as we do for D, you’ve got to put more responsibility on them.
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Penner SUCKZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Harty Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
@hatryk, yessssssssss, yessssssssss trade him
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Mitchell and Moreau leading the team in shots…that has to be a problem…
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
@neil,
I bet AMart and DD aren’t too far behind in SOGs. Our defense is leading the way in SOGs tonight.
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
@vplaza,
DD has had a lot but they’ve been blocked right in front or missed wide off tips. He’s definitely taken the most shots though.
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Not easy for Kopi. JW and Penner are soooo slooow……
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
@outsider,
Williams is still not playing well for some reason. Not the same player we saw early in the season.
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Richards wearing a Giants hat? Does he want to be hated by LA fans too?
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petemagoop Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
@Ezra, Rednex Rebellion actually
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I was away for a bit. Did Penner score?? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
@kingszzz,
No, but his drawn penalty in the second led to a goal.
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I think Penner is playing well..When you are big and slow it looks worse then it is…He is what he is…a big body…The Kings need to put him in front of the net and then shoot….Reminds me of Bob Berry from the old days…Coaches job is to set a player up for success….
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Ok normally I agree with the disappointment with Penner, but he’s had a pretty solid game. Stop hating for the sake of hating. Time to give credit where credit is due. He hasn’t been amazing tonight, but he’s definitely been solid.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
Penner will never make the highlight reel and he won’t be the fastest skater on the ice. But he’s playing well tonight as a whole.
I don’t like him on the first line with Kopi, though. He’s not keeping up with the rushes that they’ve had so far. They’ve had to stop up at the line to wait for him.
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Srsly, that stupid bounce off the boards is the story of this game. The Kings are limiting shots, Quick is seeing them and should be up 2-1.
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I would like to see Kopi and Richards on the same line for the last period
…., But I know it won’t happen…
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
@outsider,
Who would play wing? and who fills in as center in the missing spot??
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outsider Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, they should wake up JW,,,
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Long time Kings Fan ….Before the Forum was even built, GREAT START to what I hope IS A RECORD BREAKING SEASON….Between periods insider is a great feature that I hope continues because, like behind the glass, we fans like to know what goes on , and what is being done to prepare our team to play, travel, move up, and move down, what caused this to happen.???…..
Jim Fox has always been a clear cut addition to the perspectives on the game and the chalk board helps.
I would hope that you continue to let Foxxy ask the tough questions
( ala Geraldo Rivera)( it ain’t always pretty but it is honest)and Rich Hammond provide some answers.
Good Addition.
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Haha this should be comedy, Kompon for the shot from the point wide!
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Kompon coming up….would be funny if he said…”To all the Kings Insiders…Nana Nana Nana !!!!!
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I guess we lose tonight cause we’re outshooting them.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
@prosmar, Nostradomus
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Oh noes! He said “shot mentality”!
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
@vplaza, He didn’t get the memo its a goal mentality now.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
@vplaza,
He must hypnotize TM. Dang, Avs score.
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Nice screen by Doughty on that Colorado goal
DD sucks
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
@jimrad,
DD did his job..that was just a perfect shot. Cut out the negativity already people
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jimrad Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, oh you think DD did his job because this time he didn’t fall down……..hahahahaha what you see is what you get
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@jimrad,
He got the puck up the boards, Moreau jumped the play and got beat, DD didn’t have position so he angled Duchene as wide as he good, took away the shot and it got through his legs and top corner.. just a beautiful shot and JQ got burned
gmo Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
@jimrad,
he is overrated …..and we are only paying for potential
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Come on! WTH!!! Stupid turnover in the neutral zone!
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Why couldn’t Bernier play tonight. 3 goals on 10 shots…
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
@prosmar,
2 goals on 9.. that one of the boards can’t be considered when evaluating quick
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
off the boards*
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Oh wow. :/
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Well, so much for the bad bounce being the story of this game. Crap.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
@vplaza, Ditto, crap
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Bring back Slava!
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7 million looks really good on defense
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Mark Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
@OCKINGin HB, A poke check would have been nice.
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Mark Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
@OCKINGin HB, Has Lombardi been public since Lie Weekly forced him to up the anti?
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It was offside that’s why quick was upset. I can’t believe that wasn’t called. Wow
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
@TheAcaciaStrain,
Damn, didn’t see that. Was it blatantly offsides?
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TheAcaciaStrain Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@vplaza, Not by a lot but clearly offsides. No one is saying it what the hell????
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brutal….we are paying 7mil for that? wow wow
come one TM team get your team going……
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Send Doughnuts to Manchester for reconditioning!
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Where’s Richardson? He needs to score against his favorite team to score against.
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Still got time to get it back. They just need to attack the net.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
@DesertKing,
Shot mentality.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@vplaza,
Net mentality! Crash the net!
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Voynov Voynov Voynov!
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Did doughty try to do too much again? Kinda busy here…
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@tacomakingsfan,
Looked like he didn’t get enough mustard on the pass or he went the wrong way.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Exactamundo.
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Ruh-roh, Quick looked a little flustered there handling that puck.
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Ok, so, i get the feeling almost all Kings fans would be happy if we traded Doughty?
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
@Deader2818,
I was one of the biggest critics of the contract negotiations, but that’s just crazy talk.
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TheAcaciaStrain Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
@Deader2818, He’s not the only defenseman
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jimrad Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
@Deader2818, That’s not completely true, but I for one will not be a happy fan as long as DD is here. I am done with him and yes I can say that and be a Kings fan. I pay lots of money for tickets and I will not BLINDLY support everything they do.
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unfortunately Voynov is stuck down in Farmington New Mexico asking for directions
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tellmeY Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
@jess, HA…been to Farmington….hilarious and yes…anyone there would ask for directions….
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
@tellmeY, yeah well his english is not that good so he will just get hammered in Durango and get a cheap hotel room:)
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The elusive 3rd regulation LA Kings goal becoming a factor.
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We need another KOPI time…
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Without Gagne 1st line is looking bad. (I guess thet’s Penner’s influence!). Doesn’t matter how many shots Kins had, 95% of them not dangerous. Unfortunatelly, offence is really struggling this seoson (most of the games). And i agree with some people who asked why not Bernie in goal today? Quick is not looking good last few games…
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
@M.Virker,
No doubt, Gagne is an upgrade over Penner. I don’t like him on the 1st line.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
@M.Virker,
I agree about Gagne.
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LOL, it just seems like things are going in slo-mo when Penner is involved in a play. It was good though, that they kept it in the zone on that shift.
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Damn, speed kills. That should’ve been a goal by the Avs.
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Kenny44 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
@vplaza, Their “rope-a-dope” is a challenge. I’d like to see the opponent’s goalie get run over on a center lane drive (had enough watching it happen to JQ). DB needs to pick up his head when he’s got the puck. His “you never know what I might do before I stop and shoot” routine is tired. DD8 should leave the goaltending to JQ, DD leaves that 5 hole wide open
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They keep forcing us to the outside. No one is going to the middle or the front of the net.
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Can Brown ever get a clean shot off.
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Game tying goal coming up after the break. (I hope, LOL.)
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Good play by JMFJ to clear out the garbage.
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Kings remind me of the Lakers last year…lots of offense so lets shoot a bunch of 3.s and hope we get hot or a rebound..The Kings….so shoot it at the net and hope we get a rebound…..You are basing your scoring on luck….Quality of the shots in the third is a joke…
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Can’t watch the game on TV here in Ontario without the Center Ice NHL Mafia Package but looking at the stats I think they need to let Quick see a few more shots.
He has 3 goals on 13 shots and Varlamov has 2 on 28.
He seems to be the type of goalie that needs to see some action so let them shoot and keep him sharp.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
@X Philly fan,
Funny thing is, people were saying that he saw too many shots in the last few games he was in.
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petemagoop Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
@X Philly fan, get a grip- $250 bucks is too much for a full winter of hockey?
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Wow, Williams is so off his game. They wasted 20 seconds since he wasn’t able to clear the zone.
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Despite the INSANE amount of negativity here, we still have one of the best and most skilled teams in the league. Still 8min or so left, therefore still a chance. Only takes one shot to tie this game.
Obviously not the best performance by a lot of our players, but we’re still in the game.
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
It’s not their best game, but save for a crazy bounce off the boards and that dumb shorthanded goal, the Kings have kept up with the Avs. I’m not particularly down on any single player tonight.
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
@vplaza,
Exactly, save one crazy bounce, this game is tied. Bad night for us so far, but we’ve kept ourselves close still
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vplaza Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
I’m glad they have not been outplayed. Uh-oh, there’s a penalty.
kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
Yup, brown had a long shift and got a little lazy with the stick.. trying to do too much to force the goal
@hatryk,
When you get to the hospital, just tell them that you need treatment for “5150″ and they will help you
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Maybe just a little bit of ‘I told you so:’ a healthy Scooter IS a top 6 (top 2 LW). It may be silly to go Nostradamus here, as far as predicting how things could unfold if Murray can keep the Parse/Richards/Brown line together (who knows how injuries could mess with the line up), but if you’ve been paying attention you should have some small clue as too why LAK coaches and players see Scooter as one of the most purely dangerous offensive guys on the team.
His two goals in just over 2 games have been just the kind of thing you might expect to see from him—“just” converging with the puck in front of the net at the exactly right moment to casually deposit the puck behind the goalie. He has a natural sense for the shooter-plus-puck convergence that you’ll see in his passes to teammates as well. Don’t be too surprised to be seeing Richards and Brown tucking in some Parse-esque tap-in goals.
His detractors (“haters” if you will) will shoot back with “he takes too many penalties”—yep, so far, through a little over 2 games, he has been taking too many penalties. That can be, and will be, addressed. Expect that to change. Perhaps it’s nice enough that the “trade Parse” / “cut Parse” fan club can save face with a bit of their own ‘I told you so’s’, but don’t get too attached to it.
They only had a few games together last November, but Parse/Kopitar/Brown was consistently dynamic and dangerous and productive. I can’t see why Parse/Richards/Brown shouldn’t be more of the same.
Side bar(s): Penner’s had some nice shifts tonight (he’ll be 3rd/4th line when Gagne is ready to play though). Stoll’s had a lot of good shifts. Doughty, not so much (when do we get to see the $7,000,000/year Superstar, Drew?). Kings need to be getting more results from Williams pretty soon . . . these thing will work themselves out. If this team stays healthy — good things will happen. Maybe not this game. . . LAK’s been the better team, COL has the lead . . .
(if that pass of Brown’s would have gotten through, Parse would have just had another tap-in)
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King John Reply:
October 31st, 2011 at 11:19 am
@wes, my feelings too.
I’m a Quick man but before the game I thought Bernier should’ve played today.
I think we need Voynov a.s.a.p. while Doughty gets on track (I hope he gets on track with the money he’s making…)—is he really worth that much more than the other defensemen?
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no gagne, no voynov and imho that is the difference but I regress..
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For the sake of my health just carry the puck in.
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Brownie gets a good shot off.
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Good stuff brown.. game over sigh.
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Quick…
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Gotta push the last little bit. Kill and score.
You can do it Kings!
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Let’s get a shorthanded goal!
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I’m just not seeing our supposed “Really Talented Team” yet. Sorry.
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This team is so bad. I am sick and tired of the Kings not hustling and not caring about a game. That starts with coaching.
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
@Marbles, Coaching…
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Colorado playing like they need to score, not Kings. Clear fact-Colorado had much more scoring chances then Kings. They are hungrier and faster then Kings. Plus our top player did not played well( DD, Kopi and Williams)…
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you can tell that the Kings played last night…..slower legs in the third….
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If you notice on the Avs PP, they go right to the net.
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Woohoo! PP!
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DesertKing Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
@vplaza,
Yeah, now I feel better
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45sec powerplay… GAH!
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6 on 4… let’s do it!
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Only problem here is they can freely shoot at the open net
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PP?? So you’re saying there’s a chance?
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
@tacomakingsfan,
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TM calls a TO. Impressive
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Kompon time…
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Wow, Adam Deadmarsh has really blossomed.
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Well, bad execution on the first part of the PP. What else is new.
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Gr.. Fustrating.
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Did Doughty ever hit the net all game?
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TYLER Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
@Eldoret, yes…the 2nd goal. the one he assisted on
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That stinks
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What a joke
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2 B.S. losses in a row… as Jim Fox would say… THAT SUCKS
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Two nights in a row and two bad bounces make losses.
Half the points on the roadie, but crappy outcomes for the effort.
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Well, 50% of the points available on the road trip is average. Unfortunately, we are not supposed to be an average team.
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gmo Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
@DesertKing,
that is the thing man i dont get …..we are supposed to be good with all this good players…but we just cant score……..my hopes of us having a great season this year and making some noise in the playoffs are fading away thus far…….dont know whas going on….
yes you are right, we are not supposed to be an average teamn but we play like it every game
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
@DesertKing, Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner Johnny!
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well that’s 3 losses in 4 games since we took out our goalie after 3 straight shut outs.
Draw your own conclusions
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Eldoret Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
@jimrad,
I wouldn’t have minded if we took our goalie out tonight as well. Just saying…
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Chucker Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
@Eldoret, have to admit it’s strange for a coach to bench a goalie after 3 straight shutouts and then next week play him back to back? what the??
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Airwaves Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
@jimrad, Yep just like last time
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ike Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
@jimrad, Conclusion: TM hates the Kings and hates Quick. He knew the fragile make up of the team would fall apart without quick in net and would take some time to recover.
If TM had not “benched” quick, he would have gotten shutout #7 tonight.
Is that about right?
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Tough loss. Kings played well even though the score didn’t show it. The bad bounce of the boards was the difference. The other two goals were tough ones, though, a shorthanded and off of a DD turnover in the neutral zone (but that was a great shot by Duschense).
The Kings were out-chanced, it seems, not taking advantage of a goaltender that gives up lots of rebounds.
I think the Avs are not a bad team, with their speed and PP.
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I hope the Kings lost the next 10 games so there would be some changes aka the coaching staff. The Kings have the talent, but don’t have the coaching to take them far. We have not dominated in any game so far.
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Marbles Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
@Marbles,
*lose
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0 and 2 with Doughty
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Game Story(ies). We’re slower, get out hustled, get pushed off the puck in opposing zone and watch the other team skate figure 8′s in ours.
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Justin Williams playing worse than Penner. Kings going no where averaging 2 goals a game. Shots dont matter goals do. This team is slower than last years team.
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6 wins 5 losses so far this year…we started better last year….no excuses every team has new players. Now the schedule gets harder.Edmonto is playing better then us and so is the Pens.No goals on the 5 on 5 against the 20th ranked defense….Iam mad as heck and not going to take it anymore….as Foxy said….IT SUCKS!!!!!
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DesertKing Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
@neil,
If you have DirectTV like me, you won’t have to.
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Fluke goal…we outplayed for the majority of the game and probably should have put Bernier in instead of doubling up on Quick. Lame game.
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I kinda knew we’re gonna lose this when Kompon mentioned about ‘Shot Mentality’. THAT DOESN”T CUT IT! DON’T YOU GET IT ALREADY? GO FIGURE HOW MANY SHOTS WE HAD AND HOW MANY SHOTS AVS HAD!
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gmo Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
@goldielocks,
u mean is quality vs quantity?
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Hum again cant score gools …..
Trade brown and get a sniper or some one that can score
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Yeah we lost but not for being the weaker team. Come on Doughty
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Chuck Kobasew absolutely raped Dustin Brown on that last scoring chance of the game. No call. Brutal. Watched it on DVR like 10 times. He actually did a slide tackle on him. Should be a suspension, really. Dangerous play.
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I’m dizzy from holding my breath, my hands are cramped from clenching them. Darn I thought the Kings would tie it up. If it wasn’t for that darn wierd bounce off the boards, we at least be tied. I’m catching my breath now. Sure wish we could have cleimed that game. It sure wss exciting.
Darn first regulation loss, it had to come sometime. Go Kings Go.
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Bummer that we lost. Can’t fault Quick on the last two goals, to be honest. We just need to play better. That bounce off the boards was unfortunate.
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This team is going nowhere and fast unless something BIG changes. Starts with coaching.
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I think $7M could’ve gone into a sushi bar @ toyota center
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
@jess,
No kidding.. I love UNAGI!!!
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why do I feel like I am the only one who realizes that Penner Brown and Doughty are doing more harm than good? please bombard me with comments of “how good doughty is” and “penner is making improvement” and any fictitious redeeming qualities brown has shown now that he is not laying hat or scoring
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Can’t win em all boys. Not the best showing. Quick breakdown:
Positives:
-Kept it close despite the slow play
-Penner actually showed up (had at least 3 take aways and drew a couple penalties)
-Kopi and Parse both showed scoring touch
-PP got a couple
-Kept shots against low
-AM silently had a solid game again
Negatives:
-Didn’t have the legs (back to back games?)
-JW didn’t look good again
-1st line doesn’t play the same without Gagne
-DD played like a 4 million dollar man, still waiting for the all-star worth 7mil
-JQ didn’t have a great game by any means (2 goals against, one bad bounce)
All in all, no one is going to be traded. TM and Kompon don’t need to be fired. Voynov is NOT coming up again. Gagne should be back soon and that’ll be nice for the 1st line speed. Parse has played decent, and coaching will work on his taking penalties all the time. Penner actually played solid and maybe he’s finally getting going, if not he’s still gonna be a force with his big body. JJ is still playing like a veteran and DD will only improve.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, i really cant blame Quick on the two goals one he was blind by Doughty and the other one was a bad bounce so it would of made it a 2 to 1
What really the problem is the offense they cant score at all.
PP a joke.don’t care if they scores 2 pps one was just to tie instead of taking the lead.Other was on a 5 on 3
But we cant win them all just wish we can score more goals than 2
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Eldoret Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
Negatives:
-Too much WORTHLESS O-zone time. “Cycle” in the corner with ALL 3 forwards, only to NO shots/chances. It’s kind of boring to watch, and more frustrating than anything else…
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kevin from toronto Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@Eldoret, I think they had 26 shots after the 2nd period.
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
@Eldoret,
We had 32 shots tonight. Not all were quality chances but quite a few were. We didn’t bury them and we lost. We’ve scored a lot of goals this season off of the cycle (as nearly all teams do, see Detroit for the last 20 years, and the Sedin line).
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, Yeah, but their cycle actually works, ours doesn’t. We are currently tied for 17th in 5 on 5 goals scored with Nashville, and we’ve played 1 more game then they have. Also, we’re tied for 21st in goals per game average. Would you trade their forwards for ours? I didn’t think so. To be perfectly honest with you, I can’t even think of one of their top 6 forwards off the top of my head.
kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
Mike Fisher! (Had to
). We DO need to score more, but the cycle is an essential part of any teams offense, which was my only point. If you find the cycle boring, then maybe it’s time to watch basketball..oh wait…
CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
Yeah, I thought about Fisher too, but only because his wife’s HOTT, so I didn’t cout it. 
kingfisher Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, we need some sustained pressure in the offensive zone and get finish on the shots we do get,its just like last year were so worried about getting back were playing 3 on 5 one and done ………thats not going to get us anywhere in this league..perfect example tonite…………penner needs to go away some how..he is too slow and has no heart or drive ……….we have 10 players in manchester that can take his place……penner and kopi dont mix.period murray is a total dumb ass as usual…keep doing the things that make us loose games……………disgusting….bad coaching same outcome
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, Your break down is spot on. Parse is making that 2nd line look a lot better — it will be interesting if Penner is bumped down to 3rd line when Gagne returns. But with the addition of Parse’s play and Penner’s improvement, we look strong on the left side.
Doughty looked pretty bad, but remember he’s only played a half dozen games with no training camp. I think everyone expected it to take him 10 games or so to be at top form. Hopefully he steps it up.
Only other thing to add is Mr. Murray’s super weird decision of starting Quick back to back games. Quick didn’t look good at all, we should trade for a backup goalie that Mr. Murray trusts. I personally think Bernier is great back up, but if the coach doesn’t think so — we need to fix that.
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
@CabbagesAndKings,
I do agree playing JQ was a bad idea. Hindsight is something like 20/20 isn’t it? Although, I did think that before the game, but hoped he would pull through.
I really hope Parse stays on the 2nd line, he’s got the talent. Needs more discipline, but I guarantee they’re working on that. Penner should definitely play on the 3rd line and if he plays like he did tonight, he’ll be a solid 3rd line player.
DD…ahh Drew..the stigma of our team so far. Everyone wants dividends on the 7mil contract and rightly so. Hopefully he’ll pull through soon, as we can see flashes between the rust.
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Somebody fire TM. Sick of this guys bonehead coaching decisions. Everyone could tell Quick was dead tied out there. 16 shots 3 goals explains it all.
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oh well its okay, lets give Penner another start on 1st line he deserves it……
Doughty is awesome, they way he rushes the puck and gets it deep oh boy look at us go……
The turnovers in our end will stop, lets not worry…….
the PP is great well done coaches its working nicely we almost keep it deep twice….oh ya
all good everyone loves everyone now, and its no time to be upset, good game Penner and company
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DesertKing Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
@Harty,
Somebody slept at a Holiday Inn
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Not enough scoring 5 on 5….again. Here we are again….after adding top quality players and cant score our averages against mediocre teams. 2 Power play goals is always good. Congrats. Still gotta go back to Murray pulling Quick after 3 shutouts. He may never live that one down. In a sport where there is obviously a lot of superstitions, you don’t mess with the “Karma”? Just saying
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who was Quick yelling at? was it DD? All i know is he was pissed
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this game was ugly game. oh well there always next games
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I have a great idea, since we’re only 6-3-2 and on pace for a 104pt season, we should complain about how bad our team is doing and how we should trade away some great players while firing the coaches, then possibly the GM.
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Eldoret Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
Sounds good. Not sure if you haven’t noticed already, but that’s what most of us are already doing.
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
@Eldoret,
I’ve noticed
Hey does anyone remember when Kings had fans??
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, Really man? I mean it’s fine to not like all the negativity in the comments, but saying we’re not fans is insane, and disrespectfull.
The Kings currently have 6 wins and 5 losses. Yes 2 of those are O.T./shootout losses, but they’re still losses. Do you, in your honest opinion, believe the Kings current record is indicitave of the talent on the ice? Cause I don’t. Had Jonathan Quick not played like his butt was on fire his first 7 games, we would be nowhere near a .500 hockey team.
I mentioned this after last Saturdays game, “wait until Quick comes back to Earth and we’ll see how good the Kings really are”. Well if you count the 3 games since Quick came back to Earth, and the 2 games he didn’t start, the Kings record would be 1-3-1. Quick is the reason our record is what it is, not the entire team.
kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
*disrespectful
And easy there buddy! This little post was full of sarcasm (see initial post!). I will say the whole argument about Quick is moot, because JQ just so happens to be part of the team. I just think we easily have the talent and the team to do great things this season and we still have over 85% of the season left to go. Maybe we should hold off the sky falling until we’re 25% through? We’re going to have hot and cold streaks and we’re going to have areas in the season where we’re in between (example: this road trip we went .500).
CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, Sorry, didn’t notice. I will see you once we’re 25% of the way through the season then!
kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
I’ve apparently imposed myself with a Nov. 10th breakdown deadline which will be 16 games and 20% of the way with facing some of the top teams in the league. Sounds like a good time to evaluate our progress to me.
neil Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, havnt played the top teams yet…
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
@neil,
Ok, well I’ll return the night of Nov. 10th and re-evaluate how we’re doing. We’ll have played Edm, Pitt, SJ, Nash, and Van.
If we go 3-1-1 (7/10 pts) during that time are we back on track? 2-1-2 or 3-2 (6/10)?
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, I have November 10th on my calendar. Can’t wait to read the posts.
kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
Sounds like a plan. I’ve decided if we get 6pts in the time we’re doing decent as 60% of 82 possible wins is a 98pt season and I’ll call 7pts doing great as 70% is a 114pt season. Sounds fair to me. If we get 5, we need to make some changes and less than 5 I’ll agree with trading or firing someone
5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, I like your honesty and candor! CB14, you too! You make hockey sense here unlike many other posters. There is a perception that records tell all about a team. Frankly in this team’s case, the record does not tell much at all. The Kings have won 2 games outright in 11 thus far. Quick won 4 by himself with no help from the group to speak of. The OT wins and losses are an indication of gross underachievement, along with the other losses indicating the same for sure! One can expect a longer transition period with all new forward lines, new faces, and new intros into TM’s systems. This is a maddeningly frustrating hockey club that should be talking the talk and walking the walk on the ice and at practice. So far none of the above! A GM can put the talent together, make great personnel choices, draft astutely, and assemble an excellent development system. DL & Co has done all of this excellently! A coach & his staff can implement a tailored system to fit the talent and skills of his roster, highlighting their strengths and restricting their weaknesses accordingly. TM & staff has done that quite well indeed! The bottom, bottom line is, the team and all its 23 players have to execute well, make the effort to come together consciously, and go out on the ice with an attitude and an arrogance of a winner. There is exactly none of this going on with any regularity or consistency. There are snipits of it here and there, but no more. I grade them now after 11 games at C to C-. Their road efforts are not a strength thus far, as it has been their strength in past seasons of this era. We all know how dismally they are apt to play at home for stretches of games.
In short, I join you in your critique here. We criticize because we care, and because we are fans who want more from these underachievers! We are hockey people because we know what we are looking at when we see it, and it ain’t about records!…Its about what goes on out on the ice, at practice and in their heads!! See Ya!
pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, Too much math there buddy,
Let’s just go with wins/losses. LOL!
kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
Haha 3 wins= good team
John Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, I’m not in favor of firing DL, only TM. DL has done a great job with the aquisitions this year, but TM couldn’t teach a blind man to fall off the curb. He’s GOT TO GO!
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Doughty has not looked special going on 85 games now…
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Kings had loss 3 out of 4 since TMurray put JBernier in goal against the NJD..GO figure!
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
@lakingsphan0427, And that has what to do with what? I am straining to make a connection here, but what do I know! LOL! And Bernier is where tonight? It might as well be Fukufuji as back up GT. I hope the staff starts to learn some lessons about overuse of a GT. Bernie needs to play to be any help to the team. Hell let Quick play 82 for another fade in round 1…if we get there at all!! Keep saying this, I am not a mishuganha!
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I’m really sick of the excuses some have for this teams woes. “Well, Doughty needs some time”, “That was a bad bounce”, “Gags is out”, “Penner is getting better” and on and on and on and on. We do not have any checking game on the puck and we do not have any checking in the defensive zone. And, if the “Time is NOW” then Voynov was sent down because………..? Oh, that’s right..to ensure we don’t lose Drewiskie. Really!!! Drewiskie!!!!!
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John Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
@kingszzz, +1
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Foxy mentioned that TM added some new addition to the forechecking…..Our defense isnt the problem…how about adding something the offensive system….
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
@neil, Our offense has a system?
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neil Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
@pnm, I asked earlier..I wasnt trying to be funny…what is our offensive system..What type of team are we??? Speed??? Heavy??? Defensive????
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
@neil, All legit questions.
I still haven’t figured it out after 4 years.
pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
@neil, 4 years under TM that is…
Kenny44 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
@neil, I replied above and wasn’t kidding – our offense is designed to make it easy for our D. Keep the puck in the safe areas, which is why we don’t attack the middle of the ice much. Dot to boards, low to high, shot on net. Repeat. Minimize opponent’s chances and hope you’re more disciplined so they make a mistake first or you win the lucky bounce tally. It’s the kind of system that gets you better than .500 regular season records and early playoff exits.
5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
@neil, Because you don’t coach instincts! You have scoring instincts or you don’t! You either have confidence and jump, or you stay put with your thumb in your mouth and take the safe play! 99% of offense is NOT Coachable…and his system provides for those jump decisions to be made. They just ain’t making them with confidence! Equals few goals at either end of the ice…bored to death with safe plays!
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Kenny44 Reply:
October 31st, 2011 at 12:23 am
@5holer, TM? Is that you?
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I haven’t said anything on this blog so far this season (but I’ve been reading everything). My conclusion so far this season, one word: coaching. Period. We have the talent, now the system is failing us. And… we haven’t even played against a really good team yet. Another interesting tidbit: since changing goalies after 3 shutouts, we are a losing team.
Once again, I see no run through the playoffs if this keeps up. A waste of acquiring class act players and being stymied by a system which does not allow these star players to shine and the team to have success. After 25 years of this, it’s getting really old. No more excuses about the travel, goalies, back-to-backs, etc., etc., etc. At some point mgt HAS to look at the coaches, because we have the talent and the depth, but if we fans are honest, we look awful. And when I use the term “awful,” I am once again looking at the team through the lens of what a Stanley Cup team SHOULD look like. Because let’s face it, after 30+ years we should not expect anything less.
JMHO
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
@pnm, Solid take. Comment more often.
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gmo Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
@pnm,
GREAT POST MAN…..totally agree
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
@pnm,
But. but but… We have sooo much GRIT and Shot Mentality???? Doesn’t that count??
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
@tacomakingsfan, HAAA!!! So true! Good one “Taco Makings Fan”.
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
@pnm, You really do read all the comments!
tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
@pnm,
No kidding!!! What else do you know about me? hehe
OnTheFly Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
@pnm,
I hear ya.. and support your comment.
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kingszzz Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
@pnm, Bingo
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neil Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
@pnm, We have a winner!!!!!!
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Poorman Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
@pnm, This is absolutely the most right on comment I’ve read. Let’s add one thing: the GM needs to be held accountable as well. He hires the coaches.
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John Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
@pnm, Agreed. Wholeheartedly. I mean, come on… we just lost to Colorado!??!!
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4-2 Edmonton,Smyth 2 goals – the Oilers as usual are a fast team with a lot of youth – Kings better bring their ‘A’ game Thursday or they’ll be getting blown out
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… loss of words.
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puck73 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
@Bama Kings, Come on, I know you have a Doughty blast somewhere up your sleeve dont ya?
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
@puck73, If he doesn’t shake one up, I am more then game 73!! Trying to find evidence of an IQ above single digits with him! Where did he leave his hockey IQ? Must be lost back in London with the Knights? He is now making the rookie mistakes he didn’t make as a rookie! Physically, it is not a problem! Attitude is immature and no Wayne Simmonds to throw down with in the green room! He is a child in a man’s body…and now a very rich child! His games is somewhere between out to lunch and underwater! Give me Voynov instead, and send DD to the 3rd pair with shorter ice time! Will help the team that way for his 7 mil cap hit for now! Expect better in the long run or at least hope so! It is all between the ears for him right now!
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puck73 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
@5holer, The guy will be fine. As soon as he gets in a rythem after playing a couple of games things will start to click with him and his teammates. As for Voynov, if you have read any of my posts, you already know that he needs to be here as soon as possible.
Penner was the only forward with no SOG tonite
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kingszzz Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
@Kingfan, I’m stunned
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
@Kingfan, Which means?
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THREE GOALS ON 16 SHOTS.
That says it all. : – (
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
@Michael G., 2 goals on… how many shots? That also says it all. Let’s not forget all of the shots that fly wide of the net or over the net. This system forces us to take bad shots all game long. The only way we really get good scoring chances are off of broken plays. Look at the players we have… we should be at the top of the league in scoring. Let’s face it, had it not been for the amazing play of Quick, we’d be in dead last. Coaching and a bad system can (and does) make star players look just average.
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5holer Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
@Michael G., What is that “all” that it says? I get nothing from just like the points we got tonight…zero! How silly, I almost forgot, we need to blame somebody for it, so why not Quick! Hell, Quick didn’t help by scoring any g oals for us!! NO SOGs for Quick either, it sucks!
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John Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
@Michael G., Well said. This team is in trouble, folks. We were off to a better start LAST YEAR with less talent.
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This may not be the best time but I reserved a Kings Insider suite ticket for the Jan 21 game against Colorado that I will not be able to use. Haven’t received the actual ticket yet, but I am happy to transfer it the best way to someone who wants to cover the ticket price. Please email me at briankoffman@sbcglobal.net. Lousy loss tonight.
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I blame this loss on Andrew! Yeah you! LOL
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its a long season we can still right the ship and start winning………players can overcome bad coaching…………just pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee get rid of penner hes screwing up the team………we have a good nucleaus………..and all the peaces put that bum on waivers..or just release him……………hes very bad karma…………….let murray go with him
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
@kingfisher, Totally agree. Penner is absolutely useless out there. His passing is the worst I have ever seen, and I play in a local adult league!
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leadall Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
@pnm, serious, If I were the kings I would cut him and bring up Loki and move Stoll the wing on the 3rd line
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kingszzz Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
@leadall, yes, yes, YES
Coaching is what is holding this team back from being great. TM’s decisions are mind boggling at best. So just to recap Quick posts 3 shutouts and he puts in Bernier than plays Quick on back to back nights instead of putting Bernier in. Wow, and what happens? Quick lays an egg and allows 3 goals on 16 shots. Goodwork.
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If the coaching staff was on commision for goals scored…they would starve….
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
@neil, I think you may be on to something there! Love it!
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One other observation, one I have been making for the last few seasons, and which continues again this season (and I know I’ll probably get some nasty responses again), but… Brown is NOT playing like he used to. In all but maybe two games so far, I can’t even remember him even being on the ice, that’s how unproductive he is. What in the world is going on with Brown??? I suppose it could be chalked up to… you guessed it… coaching. Because I remember when TM switched him to the opposite wing. Since TM loves to “change things up” so often, why not put DB back to where he belongs? Couldn’t hurt, because it’s getting really painful watching DB out there… when I actually notice him…
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
@pnm, good observation, many of us have noticed the same
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
@pnm,
He seems awkward, as if he’s caught between trying to be a goal scorer with moves and fancy plays, or a gritty hitter who picks up goals through playing tough.
Personally I think he needs to go back to playing a more basic game, with his skill set and hitting ability he’ll find himself in the right spot more often. There’s a guy on his line by the name of Mike Richards who’ll also benefit from this.
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, Fair analysis. Not sure what’s up. I hope he figures it out. He’s so talented, but it’s just not showing anymore.
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
@pnm,
I’d like to say his talent is showing, but in all the wrong places. He just seems so misguided out there at times. At least, for myself, that’s my main issue with him lately. Kind of along the lines of “work smarter, not harder” he needs to focus his energy and talent into the right places and he’ll quickly remind people (especially those in the East) why we know he’s so good. I have a lot of family in Toronto who, for some reason, think Brown is the single most overrated player in the league. No Joke, I know because I laughed when they said that thinking it was a joke, but alas..no joke haha. Obviously they don’t watch the Kings that much and see the raw skill he has (and has shown at times).
I wish I was an av’s fan. I even I knew where the puck was going next. L A telegraphs. Please stop playing to not lose and let it fly! All this talk about talent. What a bore. I can’t wait to see edmonton. I’ve seen more excitment from a AAA team. It’s time to run and gun… so painful. Hijack Tipett. Melrose anyone but Murray.
Brown – go back to checking. Love to say go to third line but there’s no one to replace you.
Johnson – did you rush the puck tonight?
Martinez – good job
Voyo – comeback please
Doughty – can you say felony? Do you feel guilty?
It would more exciting to see kozun, tofolli, someone who really wants the puck and hasn’t forgot the object of the game.
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puck73 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
@Scottthekingsfan, whats stopping you from being an AV’s fan? We sure arent!
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
@puck73,
Haha!
I do agree with one major point in this post though, I think Tippet is an amazing coach.
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This team right now is all about exzcuses. The real problem is the coaching staff does not adjust during the game, the coaching staff does not know how to motivate or call out the players who dont give 100%. The kings are relatively a very slow team. You have given two spots on the roster to Penner and Hunter who cant skate, dont give a dam and are worthless. Bring up some young kids from Manchester who want to give 100%. Penner is a $4,000,000 waste of a LA Kngs jersey.
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pnm Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
@gene, Good point. I hate to say it, but the salaries of Richards, Gagne, Morueau, etc. are also a waste of salary in this system… I cringe even calling what I see a “system.” I wonder what is going through their minds playing here in L.A. so far, in this “system.”
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Did Drew Doughty and his agent put one over on the Kings. This guy stinks, he was out of position all night against Phoenix. And in Colorado he was a minus-2 for the game. Now the Kings are stuck with his contract for eight freaking years. Lombardi should have traded this kid the first time he held out. Its obvious he doesn’t like the physical side of the game. He avoids contact whenever he can. The Kings will never be able to unload his contract.
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
@Jim Martin, good point Kopi produces more –oh so sorry but DD gets paid more –I’m sorry I forgot how this new world of ours was structured.
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puck73 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
@Jim Martin, The guy stinks huh? As compared to who? CMON JIM, you know come tomorrow you wont feel that way. Next thing your going to tell me is that you miss Gauthier and Jones!
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CTD Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
@Jim Martin,
thats what I am screaming, how freaking cost effective does Voynov look now?
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I just starting watching the replay of the game, DD looks like a minor league player out there. This team is not motivated, either relace the coaching staff or start finding players who want to play and are tired of excuses and start giving 100% on the ice. Its time Brown starts acting like a captain and dress out the players for there effort. By the way Brown what has been your problem with hitting this year?
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Repost from 8 hours ago:
Unoffficial poll question:
For tonight’s lineup who would you choose?
1.) Doughty or Voynov
2.) Bernier or Quick
How do you answer now?
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puck73 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
@jess, Jess, get a good nights sleep. Sunday nights especially are depressing after a loss. Trust me , tomorrow is a different day and TM will find a new way to frustrate you and me this week!
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
@puck73, copy that puck see ya soon:)
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
@jess, Same as before the game, Bernier and DD, with VV playing in place of Martinez.
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jess Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
@CB14, 10-4 just thought it would be an interesting repost (I never voted on it by the way)
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
@jess, Cheater, LOL JK. Smart decision.
kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
@CB14,
I’d do the same. If we can get something for AM, I’m all for bringing up VV on a permanent basis. But I would’ve picked Bernier and DD and still would
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, I’m a big VV fan, but there’s still some things I’d want to see before trading AM. VV and MG need to prove they can play together, or JJ and DD need to prove they can play together, because some players just don’t play together very well. Greene and Voynov are both right handed shots and it’s not always easy to play the off side. If they can’t play together, then that means JJ and DD would have to play together, and VV and WM would play together. MG and JJ just seem to play badly when paired together, so I doubt VV would play with RS. It’s either Greene, which I doubt, or WM, which I like, but as I said earlier that means JJ and DD would need to play together. Something I’m not 100% sold on happening yet.
I see everyone seems to be in agreement that we were super slow out there tonight. That probably means I’m way off, but I’ll say it anyways…
I thought we did a pretty good job keeping up with one of the fastest teams in the league. Our new pressure forecheck created a bunch of turnovers in the offensive zone — and this was the best cycle game we’ve had all season. We had a ton of offensive zone time because of this, which in return means we didn’t have to play much defense (hence the low shots against).
We didn’t look like a Stanley Cup team — but that’s probably the best offensive game we’ve had thus far.
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kingszzz Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
@CabbagesAndKings, that’s be the St. Louis game
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Gee Terry, looks like that goalie move a few days ago really worked out….lost when Bernier was in and now Quick has lost a couple. Better shuffle.
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I’m sure a few of you noticed Ryan Smyth scored two more goals tonight. Wish we had him instead of Penner, who must be suffering from some sort of paralysis for him to lose so much speed and timing…sad.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
@carol vadnais, weird how Ryan Smyth goes to the oilers and suddenly can kee up with the speed of their team and score goals again.
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Dear Dustin Brown,
You’re welcome to show up any time this year, after all you do have the C on your chest. And I know you’re not a vocal leader, but there are 19 other guys in the locker room that sure could use a kick in the shorts right now. This going through the motions act, stopped being acceptable a few years ago now.
Thanks
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Oh No!!! The sky is falling were 6-3-2……You guys really need to mellow out..
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King-C Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
@Lvhatrick, No the sky is not falling, but all is not right with this team. The record is very deceptive. The team is not gelling. They are just out of sink and now it’s spreading. The timing seems to be off, usually reliable players are tentative and we are just playing sub par in the neural zone. Too many giveaways and not enough hitting. I remember in training camp the talk of the second line physically dominating people with hits! I haven’t seen Brown lay a single solid hit on anybody. I’m thinking he may be hurt. Penner was better tonight. Parse has been a pleasant surprise if only he could stop taking dumb penalties. DD is playing like a moron. JMFJ has been on and off and Kopi looks tired. Richards is a stud. he brings it every game. I’m thinking bring back VV and play Westie on the fourth line.
All is not well. TM better right this ship or I feel it will cost him his job.
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I’ve always been troubled by this GM and Coach. As I said yesterday, if we can sense there’s a weird vibe with this team, think what it’s like in their locker room. Both GM who hires the coaches and the Coach have had long enough to get this right. this year is make or break for both of them in my opinion. Right now, they better Fix things “Quick” or it’ll be what I feared at the conclusion of 2011 season that this year would be more of the same.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
@Poorman,
Your spider-senses are better than mine… Especially coming all the way from New York.
Yah, they need to fix this 6-3-2 start, its just terrible…
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CTD Reply:
October 31st, 2011 at 8:23 am
@Michael J., its really not that good of a start, the only convincing wins we had were against st. louis and the first phoenix game, all the other wins were eeked out and could have gone the other way. I will find this thread again when we slide to 6 – 8 – 5 and Doughty is a minus 10 just to remind you of your complacency
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puck73 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
@Poorman, I am not troubled by Lombardi like you seem to be. Murrray on the other hand I have some issues with, especially putting Bernier in against New Jersey when Quick had 3 shutouts in a row, and would have 2 days rest. As far as I am concerned that was a total buzz kill !
Let me ask you something Jimmy, honestly. How do you think Bernier would have felt if he pitched 3 straight shutouts, had 2 days rest, and the micromanager TM sat him down in favor of Quick?
I dont know if Bernier would have said anything in the press, but I guarantee you, you would have, and you would have demanded his resignation, and RIGHTFULLY SO !
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Poorman Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@puck73, I agree Puck73. They should have started Quick again. They also should have kept Voynov with the big club even if it meant waiving Drewiske. Then tonight, more illogic. Murray starts Quick back to back when he wouldn’t start him with rest to get the fourth straight scoreless game. These are all momentum chillers. But Lombardo picks the coaches, and he must be held accountable equally. Either they both stay and get it right this year or they both go. You can’t tell me someone else Couldn’t do a better job if they don’t advance beyond the First round again.
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puck73 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
@Poorman, Still not ready to plug on Dean Lombardi. That being said, I agree with everything else you said(Wow, did I really say that?).
As far as Voynov is concerned, I agree 100%. I played competetively for 31 years on defense, and I know special talent when I see it. Voynov is a game changer, he can quarterback your powerplay like Doughty and Johnson.
Voynov at 21 is further ahead then Johnson was at 21 and its not even close. Whats interesting about Voynov is, is that he uses his speed differently then Doughty and Johnson. Not only is he faster then both of them, but he uses that speed so subtle that you dont realize just how fast he is.
Next time Voynov is up, watch how wide open he always is on the powerplay, its unbelievable! Also, in the Dallas game his teammates finally started to figure how to play with this kid and trust him. And you know what, he will be even better playing with 2 of the best shutdown defense men in the game in Mitchell and Scuderi who will allow him to showcase his incredible speed and hockey IQ that allows him to create space and make others better.
I’ll be back 20%-25% into the season to comment some more. I can’t help being painfully reminded of the fact that it took the Schmucks only 12 years to win a cup – without a team loaded with star players. That reality is enough to make my head explode, knowing the talent we now have on this team. Let’s see if the coaches pick up THEIR game for a change. Peace out…
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
@pnm, Don’t be a stranger for very long.
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Poorman Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@CB14, Again, this dude says it straight. Please make the man who picks the coaches equally accountable. does he get yet another free pass to pick another wrong coach?
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CB14 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@Poorman, I would give him another year, only because of what a great job he’s done building this team. Don’t get me wrong, I want Murray gone yesterday, but I’m not yet willing to feel the same way about Lombardi. Not yet. If this team has ups and downs like last year, and TM is still around at the end of it, then I’ll call for DL to be fired due to his unwillingless to fire TM.
Brown needs to hit somebody square.
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this really is quicks fault.. i mean if hed have had three straight shutouts then terry murray would have had to sit him for bernier. 3g on 16 shots. think this should have been a JB game.
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I have been trying to hold off on commenting about Penner because it is early in the year, and the guy does seem to be trying. Last year I must have written 15 posts calling him out for what I saw as gutless performances. The problem I see now is not so much effort – although no one is ever going to confuse him with a hardworking player -it is just that HE IS NOT VERY GOOD!.
Is there a slower forward in the league??? When he is on the ice, he just does not seem capable of making the same plays that other forwards can and should make because he just cannot move his body fast enough. He may have been good enough in a place like Edmonton which had no real aspirations, but he is simply not a top 6 forward on a team that has any real designs on going deep into the playoffs.
Maybe he can play on the 3rd line and provide some bulk for Stoll and Richardson, but that is going to be about the extent of it. If we had someone in the minors, or could somehow trade for someone, who could fill his role, I would waive/trade him in a nanosecond.
Unfortunately, the bottom line here is that the Kings are again left without enough top tier wingers. Gagne and Williams are excellent – but you cannot count on either for an entire year. Brown is better off on a third line. I actually think Parse has some talent, but is nowhere near being consistent enough to warrant being the LW for a guy like Richards.
I have no idea how easy it is to make trades this early in the year, but this team is STILL swimming in talent on defense, but comes up short on offense. If it is true that “THE TIME IS NOW”, as the organization proudly proclaims all over town, we still got some fixin” to do…
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It’s not a good sign that the Kings keep losing games they should win. I’ll leave it at that.
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Take away the top 6 forwards (who at this point are Gagne, Kopitar, Williams, Parse, Richards and Brown) and all the other forwards combined have all of TWO goals in 11 games. In other words, 7 forwards between them have fewer goals than Jack Johnson, and the same number of goals as Voynov – who was here for all of 5 games. I know that the 3rd and 4th lines have other responsibilities, but every time I see Stoll’s line or Lewis’ line on the ice it is almost a certainty that we are not going to score. That has gotta change. These guys absolutely must show some more offense – even occasionally – for us to go anywhere this year.
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puck73 Reply:
October 30th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
@rick, Voynov is a guy that Lombardi says “connects the dots”. Voynov is a game changer, and he will be here shortly, I dont think Dean has a choice after what he saw.
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hindsight: should have played Bernier
foresight: yeah, should have played Bernier
why play Quick back-to-back? c’mon TM!
nice goal by Parse though. DD is a liability still
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Kings in CO Reply:
October 31st, 2011 at 7:26 am
@M.T. Netter,
Agree on all points.
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I don’t think there is a bigger waste of space in the NHL than Penner. This “I like to pass the puck across the ice with one hand on my stick cause I’m awesome is getting extremely old. Use his and Stoll’s money this offseason and bring in Parise. Lokti to take over Stoll’s spot.
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Dustin Brown……….please start playing with that gritty edge that made you our captain. I could deal with this loss tonight a lot better if you would have sent Shane O’Brien through the boards a couple times !
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