Drew Doughty won’t play tonight, but the Kings will make one lineup move, with Scott Parse replacing Kevin Westgarth and stepping into a second-line role. Here’s how things are expected to look…
Gagne-Kopitar-Williams
Parse-Richards-Brown
Penner-Stoll-Richardson
Clifford-Lewis-Moreau
Terry Murray said Doughty has been cleared to practice, but not play, but said he was hopeful Doughty could play Saturday against Phoenix. More notes and quotes to come…
Parse’s last stand?
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CaliCash Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:33 am
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose, I hope! He’s useless and is taking up a roster spot. Time to waive or trade him!
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Harry Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:35 am
@CaliCash,
I have a feeling he will be next Moulson
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Krash Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:39 am
@Harry, Then let him be, he has had ample opportunity here and there are more guys lining up in Manchester and the minors
Eggplant Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:09 am
@CaliCash, What happens if he plays great?
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CaliCash Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
@Eggplant, I love that he’s making me eat crow…as long as the Kings are doing well and they win games, I’ll eat crow all day long!
Scot Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:53 am
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose,
Nope. Parse will play in 3 games, not record a point, go back to the press box, & then be put back onto the top line when we’re not scoring!
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Brownkingsfan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:01 am
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose, Maybe this move is because TM wants to put Parse in a top 6 role which is (what Murray sees as) a position Parse should feel comfortable in. My guess is Parse doesn’t do any better there than he did in a bottom 6 role, but I still think it’s an interesting move and proof that TM will try anything to increase productivity. I think Penner will be able to use his big body on the 3rd line, and maybe that’s a more natural fit for him. Time will tell. GO KINGS GO!
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yetiman_oc Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
@Brownkingsfan, TM will try anything except change the system he has in place?
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thelexsters Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose, penner I’d gonna be to slow for stoll and Richardson
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Sean Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose,
I don’t see him getting another opportunity. His game is offensive, so 2nd line should be where he would play. I know he has not shown us anything, but he does have the skill to play in the NHL. I would love it if he started clicking with the 2nd line to make it legit. I am not holding my breathe though. GKG!
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KC23 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose, Wish I had a free ticket for every time I’ve read that one.
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Penner demotion, at least for one game.
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KingsGuy Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:09 am
@Donald_S, Sucks… Although, the 3rd line is not too bad this year!
Too bad we have a bottom 6 on the 2nd line. This game just got a lot uglier…
What about:
Penner – Kopi – Brown
and a philly line:
Gagne – Richards – Williams
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:10 am
@KingsGuy, I would love those lines, but Murray won’t do it. Ever.
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Harry Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:13 am
@Dominick,
Well, that was the original thought…but since Gags and Kopi started gelling…
you know how TM is!
KingsGuy Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:43 am
@Dominick, At least one can dream…
TheRussianKing Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:22 am
@KingsGuy, Last game there were a couple of shifts with the Philly line. No one noticed because the Devils made us look so bad. We’ll get it back tonight, GKG!
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KingsGuy Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:42 am
@TheRussianKing, I noticed a lot of different combos, but didn’t see that line out there. Maybe I was just in dismay…
Maybe we could get at least 1 solid line going… sigh
Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:09 am
@Donald_S, I said Penner would be there before the end of the season. Not because of a demotion, but because Stoll will have chemistry there, and might bring some scoring to the 3rd line. Zues and Simmers didn’t exactly light it up from the 3rd line last season, so if we can, I’d like to boost that lines numbers.
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When will TM stop trying to put Parse into a roll that he CANNOT fill? Put Richie up there. Parse will skate with the 2nd line for a couple shifts then will be quickly pushed to the 4th line and will play the normal 10-12 minutes. TM needs to get off his mancrush for the guy!
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Kings Win, Ducks Lose Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:42 am
@CaliCash, Richie will get his shot soon, we go to Denver on this trip
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VanKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:45 am
@CaliCash, Richie is ADEQUATE on the 2nd line. Thats the key word. He will never EXCEL in that role. Parse has the potential and skill to excel if he is with skill players. I am very happy he will get a chance there… hopefully for a couple of games.
The third line is still very strong with Penner, Stoll and Richie… damn! That could be a lot of teams 2nd scoring line.
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renorick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:51 am
@VanKingsFan, Agree.
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King John Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
@VanKingsFan, agree, we might end up having three good lines that can score and a tough 4th line.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:49 am
@CaliCash,
I hardly think TM has any kind of man-crush on Parse. He’s had some pretty harsh words for him in the past.
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AZ King Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:51 am
@CaliCash,
Ok it’s numbers time….
Parse has scored 12 goals in 66 career games and is +18. That’s comes out to about 1 goal every 5 games.
Richie has 37 goals in 324 career games and is a -17. That comes out to about1 goal every 9 games.
Richie has only scored more than 12 goals in a season once. Parse did that in less than a full season.
So how exactly is Richie more offensively talented than Parse?
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CaliCash Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:56 am
@AZ King,
Parse has trouble cracking the line up at times to where Richie is a decent enough player to where he can fill just about any role that hes put in. Im not saying Richie is the answer by any means, im just saying lines will be shuffeled and Parse will end the game playing on the 4th line. He’s been given opportunity after opportunity to do something to show hes worthy of being an NHL player and he always falls flat on his back.
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CaliCash Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:57 am
@CaliCash, *shuffled
VanKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:04 am
@CaliCash, We know what Richie will do. We don’t knwo what Parse will do. Even though you seem to have the crystal ball. You are talking like its a fact that Parse will fail epicly.
Michael J. Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:05 am
@CaliCash,
Please tell us when Parse has “fallen flat on his back”. Was it when he tried to come back from surgery in the playoffs? Or, was it in the two games he played this year when he was not at full health? Other than that Scott Parse has played very well for the Kings.
fsd1 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:57 am
@AZ King, he isn’t.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:07 am
@AZ King,
Some people can not be reasoned with. Richie hustles, and Parse is an easy target. It’s kind of like the mad love that gets thrown to Clifford-can’t really explain it…
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:11 am
@Michael J.,
I view Clifford like Richie. I think he is hard worker that has potential. Big Red dog is only 20…
Bleb Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:54 am
@CaliCash, Richie doesn’t have the offensive skill to be a second liner. He is a third liner at MOST. I like him for is energy but absolutely cannot stand when he is put on the first or second line to fill a spot. He makes the skilled players play worse because he can’t keep up with them.
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kings king Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:04 am
@Bleb, I think Richie is a guy that is under estimated. I think he’s a guy who just needs more ice time to put up numbers, he’s got the skill set to play up there. How does he make players worse? Every time he has gotten a bump up to the 1st or 2nd line he has produced. Have you already forgotten that backhand saucer right onto Richards tape in the first game? He stepped up and made the play to tie the game. He is one of the few players to show push back when things aren’t going well. He pushes the tempo and gets gritty and he makes something out of it. He’s the guy you count on to get the puck deep and tip pucks into the zone, he’s not hesitant with puck possession or dump and chase. Don’t forget how crucial he was in the playoffs, he found his game there and he’s carried to this season and pre-season.
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THEFL Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:27 am
@kings king, hi…yes…thank you! I could easily see Richardson being one of Mike Richards favorite dudes to play with – solely because of his hustle, energy, and willingness to skate his tail off. It’s those intangibles that create opportunity – when you are the opposition and you have a guy on you with enough speed on the forecheck, it takes away time and that comfort zone in a breakout, same goes the other way… Games and series are swung by momentum…Richardson’s momentum is consistent.
crashin'da net Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am
@Bleb, Can’t keep up with them? WOW!! I think Richie can keep up with anyone on the team. Didn’t he have a heat trick last season???
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Jumblehead Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
@crashin’da net, I think Richardson is our most consistent ,( best ) , forechecker on the team every shift. He is also one of the fastest skaters on the team, IMO
Duckbasher Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@CaliCash, – The guy has been hurt and missed all of last season (well… played a few games). Let’s not give up on him so easily. He had season ending hip surgery which is a major surgery. Parse has shown (when healthy) that he can score when playing on the laft side.
Murray’s mancrush is on Westgarth not Parse.
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Parse? Parse??? Are you kidding me coach…your desperation is starting to show.
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King John Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@Hat trick, wrong. Our offense stinks; we gotta stir it up, and they’re not gonna call Lokti up unless we need a center.
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Penner on the 3rd line is lame. I’d switch him with Gagne and see if that works.
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goldielocks Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:41 am
@T,
Yep.
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Scot Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:00 am
@T,
You know.. I’m a pretty positive guy in real life. I go to church, follow God, & pay my taxes, & I’m a happy guy.. But I just can’t hide frustration with the current coach. Can he at least TRY playing Richards & Gagne together? Which would then put Penner with Kopitar? Just throw out the whole idea of “top line” & “3rd line” & whatever line. Gagne & Richards have played for years together in Philadelphia. I understand Gagne has played well, & that’s why TM puts him on the “top line.” Just play him with Richards! Try it! Yes, Kopitar has chemistry with Gagne.. Gagne will honestly have chemistry with most players because of how SMART he is.. He and Richards read off eachother (umm, Brown does not), & they would create a lot together!
Gagne – Richards – Williams
Penner – Kopitar – Brown
I’ll shut up if it doesn’t work, but I can’t believe that it wouldn’t.
Get off your soap box TM!!!!!!
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AZ King Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:21 am
@Scot,
I don’t see the point of keeping Brown and Penner together. It doesn’t matter who the center is. There is not enough balance between the two lines.
I’m all for putting Gagne with Richards, but leave Brown on the RW.
Penner – Kopi – Williams
Gagne – Richards – Brown
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:46 am
@AZ King, I like those lines! would love to see them for at least a couple games.
Press Box Scratch Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:02 am
@T, Pemmer will score 20-25 goals this year like he has every other year … if we (D & Forwards) could get some shots down low on goal (instead of wide, high or in the goalie’s glove) he’d be valuable for screens, tips or rebounds. Rebounds & dirty goals around the net are a big part of the NHL IF you can create them, which means lower shots that can’t be easily controlled by the goalie. A “shot mentality” doesn’t do much good when they are going wide or high … I’m all in for a “low and on goal” mentality (which would benefit Penner as much as anyone).
Whether they put Parse keep him there for a few games. Dude has only played a handful of times in 1 1/2 years, if he’s good enough to dress for the game then he needs a shot at providing some of the skill & quickness we think he has.
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am
@Press Box Scratch,
If Penner scores 20+ goals this year it would be a flippin miracle. I bet he gets less than 10. Put him on the top line? How many games does this guy need? Is it a slump? I know it’s a different system but come on already…
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Branzilla Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@Press Box Scratch, I have vigorously defended Penner during the playoffs and this season, but if he puts in more than 20 this year, I will transfer from Okla. State to UCLA or whichever California school is closest to Staples, take out a loan to buy season tickets, and paint a big picture of Penner on my chest for the home opener.
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Duckbasher Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
@T, Yea… let’s reward Penner’s lack of scoring by putting him on the first line. Gagne is the real deal when healthy and right now… he’s healthy. Penner is at best, a 3rd line winger at thie point in his career (from what he’s shown since joining the Kings). That’s not a bad thing because he’s been playing well, playing a heavier game lately with a lot of tenacity and using his big body. Plus… he’s dropped his gloves in support of his team. Obviously Murray (and Lombardi) see something in Scott Parse and I’m willing to let it play out for a while and see what develops.
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T Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@Duckbasher, Maybe you’re right. Anson Penner may just be washed up now.
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Choralone Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
@Duckbasher, The first line isn’t a reward, it’s an assignment. If more scoring results from it, TM should give him a bag of cookies and a transformer, too.
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Looks like the writing is on the wall for Mr. Hunter. Too bad, because I like his grit and leadership, coupled with being a good forechecker and puck handler. Can’t be benched because of lack of scoring. I can point the finger at many for that matter.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:51 am
@wideleft,
“I’ll pass that along…”
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Press Box Scratch Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:04 am
@wideleft, Can’t say I’ve seen enough of him to have an opinion other than he would be somewhat interchangeable with Moreau
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I actually like this line-up. Stoll has been zilch this season, maybe Penner and Stoll can find chemistry together. Parse, glad to see him still having a fighting chance!
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red49er Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:00 am
@#1faninVegas, Brown is the one I’m worried about.. He hasn’t been effective except for one game. Everyone knows he needs to hit to be effective, especially when he doesn’t have the hot hand. Is he injured, trying to adapt his game to another style or going through a confidence slump? I don’t know. any thoughts?
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:08 am
@red49er, plenty of thoughts…but no answers.
I’ve posited that he is thinking too much out there playing alongside MR. But then he does things that make think he doesn’t care who he’s playing alongside because he does the same things over and over and over and over…ad infinitum (i.e.-dash to the blue line and blast it towards the end of the rink)…
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#1faninVegas Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
@red49er,
I really believe he is nervous. With Shanahan at the realm… he is being more cautious
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@#1faninVegas, I like the idea of Penner and Stoll together. They have a history together. I know TM is doing it for demotional reasons, but I hope he stumbles on to a good combination here.
#1faninVegas Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@Dominick,
ROFL!! You are great to debate with Dominick, but I sure am glad that we can agree sometimes!!
I would have moved Penner up instead of down:
Penner-Kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Stoll-Richardson
Parse-Lewis-Moreau
Kopitar can make him better. When he first arrived here last year, they had some good moments.
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goldielocks Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:42 am
@Jgomez,
TM doesn’t like Pens cause he made cute passes instead of shooting.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:46 am
@Jgomez, When you under perform in your job… you get demoted not promoted.
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:50 am
@VanKingsFan, but this isn’t your normal job, rather it’s a job where “fit” matters more than output(especially so early in the season). I think Penns would’ve “fit” better with AK in a scoring capacity, not so much a scrambling role with Stoll. If he was too slow for Richards, he will definitely not keep up with the 3rd line.
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Cruiznblue Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:53 am
@Jgomez,
the last thing you want to do is put an underperforming player into a more demanding role and break up the great chemistry that the 1st line already has….
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DLB Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am
@Cruiznblue, on Richards’ line the demanding role is to go against the top players (Kovalchuk and Parise last game, for example) On Kopitar’s line his job would be offense.
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Jgomez Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:01 am
@Cruiznblue, Yes they had good chemistry to start but 1 assist and -3 COMBINED for the first line shows they need a kick in the pants as well
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Murray sending a message to Penner and giving Parse another chance. Will both players read the writing on the wall?
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VanKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:47 am
@dMan, If WE can read the writing on the wall.. the players definitely know they are running out of chances. Although what can we really do with Penner? Can;t trade him; cant bury him in the minors
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Winger23 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:51 am
@dMan,
Murray writes stuff in pencil. Just cause he says it doesn’t mean he really means it.
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deadcatbounce Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:52 am
@dMan, Penner will read it if it contains a menu.
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:17 am
@deadcatbounce,
He is in good shape… he just blows. I’ll say that I never even noticed Penner existed before he came to the Kings. I don’t remember him winning a cup with the Sucks or playing against the Kings at any period. So my sole opinion is based on the games he has played here. That being said… just plain bad… at a cap hit of over 4 mil.
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We B Ilya'n Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@RobSD,
Went to the 1-0 game Saturday. Couldn’t believe how slow Penner was… almost yelled at him to unhook the Zamboni he was pulling. How’s this guy score 30 goals?
If I were Murray… scratch that, I don’t need half of this site angry with me.
If I could make the line up I would put Penner with Kopi. I really think that is where he needs to be to succeed. If not Penner, I would like Parse there for the same reason – Kopi.
Hopefully playing on the third line will allow Penner and Stoll some match-ups that will provide opportunity for success.
Go Kings Go!
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:52 am
@Michael J., but isn’t Stoll our shut down line? getting minutes against the other teams #1 line? If so, then their #1 line (usually has speed) against Penner’s anti-speed? bad mix in my eyes, but what do I know, he very might well net a hatty!
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DLB Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:00 am
@Stuart, Stoll is not our usual shut down line. The only game he really played that role was vs. Phoenix. And their forward lines are not exactly topheavy.
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Scot Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:02 am
@Michael J.,
Yup. Penner should be with Kopitar. Gagne should be with Richards. End of conversation.
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Harrison Merkin Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:08 am
@Scot, agreeeeed Pens, Kopi and JW. Gags and Ricky with Brownie…….
It’s worth a shot. Gags and Richards have history and Pens’ most effective scoring minutes have been on Kopi’s left. No brainer IMHO.
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:42 am
@Scot,
Penner should be in Manchester and not making 4.5 million a year. End of conversation.
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Scot Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
@RobSD,
Lol.
So true.
You can thank Kevin Lowe for that. Believe he’s the one who signed him to the giant offer sheet, & the Ducks didn’t bother matching it.
Scot Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:04 am
@Michael J.,
All Gagne talked about when he signed here was looking forward to playing on a line with Mike Richards again, and how well they read eachother, and, well, they haven’t really gotten that chance.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:12 am
@Scot,
Maybe Gagne and Richards are separated now only as a temporary situation. i can understand why TM might want them apart as they learn the system. Once they fully grasp the system they will be reunited… maybe… maybe not…
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Will Penner ever be able to be in the same zone as stoll and Richie? Every line that penner is on just looks horrible. You have to hide Penner. If this doesn’t work out you are going to see Penner on the first line with Kopi and Brown. 2nd line will be Gagne/Richards/Williams.
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Whodawat Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:55 am
@Winger23, actually i thought in the Jersey game when Penner got demoted he actually looked better. i gonna say it and i’ll get hate, but the problem on that second line is DUSTIN BROWN moreso than Penner… and this is coming from someone who is/was a huge DB fan.
I iwsh he’d get back to the hard driving, hard hitting power forward I once loved. Stop trying to carry the puck into the zone. Dish it to Richards and then crash the net. Get in the forecheck and hit somebody. Win a lose puck battle for once.
Please. Will the real Dustin Brown please come back…
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:56 am
@Whodawat, hmmmm, very interesting.
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Here is how I would make the lines when Doughty is back:
Gagne-Kopitar-Williams
Richards-Stoll-Doughty
Penner-Richardson-Brown
Clifford-Lewis-Moreau
Yeah that’s right Doughty should be on RW getting 30G+
We don’t need him on D….bash away all you fans that seem to like losing
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:54 am
@fsd1, the prescription bottle?
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AZ King Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:54 am
@jimrad,
I didn’t know a 5-2-1 record was a losing record…
And yes we do need him on D.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:06 am
@jimrad, Penner has a big body… we should line him up on Defense. Pair him with Westgarth as the shut down tandem.
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:48 am
@VanKingsFan,
He should be scanning tickets at the door or manning the elevator to the upper level.
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Duckbasher Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@RobSD, You mean Westgarth… right?
Krash Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am
@jimrad, All this after one loss. Yeah we need some more 5 0n 5 scoring. 1st line has had the most chemistry so I agree with Murray in not touching them. The 2nd and 3rd is where something needs to change; hopefullty this gets them going
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am
@jimrad, WHOA!!! put the pipe down my friend
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Duckbasher Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, Or pass it over.
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
@Duckbasher,
Whodawat Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
@jimrad, these lines are win! I’d do it
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Like!
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@Andrew & @ Dominick – hate to say told you w/re: to DD not playing tonight, but you heard it from me first. LOL
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puck73 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:57 am
@Stuart, You what would start my day off right? You and @ShotOnGoal getting into a jousting match ! I think I will call him right now and let him know you are logged on ! lol
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:09 am
@puck73, cut it out!!! LOL I just posted a little something about DB further up and almost called him by name, but thought maybe I shouldn’t – then I’ll never get invited to watch the games with you heads!
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:18 am
@Stuart, You did, didn’t you? I think I did say if they take him off Tuesday, he’ll play that night. It’s Thursday, and he’s still out. Remind me when I see you, to punch you in the arm!
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:22 am
@Dominick, LOL and I when you called for DD to fight WS vs. PHI (jokingly) I said sure and that he’d walk out with a concussion…I was close, shoulder instead.
That gets me a punch and a kick in the nexk! LOL
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Well, I will give Terry Murray this, at least he put Parse on the left side…WHERE HE BELONGS!
Good for you TM, I guess a good nights sleep got some oxygen back in the common sense area of your brain.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
@puck73,
Don’t bet on it. His name hasn’t changed, so neither can he.
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Duckbasher Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
@puck73, Maybe TM needs to sit in the stands and watch his team. Because if he can’t see that Parse is a left-wing and ONLY a left wing, then he must not be seeing things like anyone with half a brain. I agree and I predict Parse (if he’s healthy) will start to produce if he plays where he belongs.
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how about a package deal sending Parse/Penner somewhere for someone who can fill that last 2nd line role the kings are fishing for???
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fsd1 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:55 am
@Cruiznblue, until Pens starts scoring no team will want his salary.
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:05 am
@fsd1,
Is there a way to get out of paying him? His salary is absurd. I know in the NBA if they release a player they aren’t required to pay their salary.
I know I’m completely in the minority but I enjoy Sean Avery and loved him when he was in LA. I think this demotion will be a wake up call and tone down his antics a bit. He could be useful come playoffs…
http://blog.chron.com/hockeystop/2011/10/four-nhl-teams-that-could-use-sean-avery/
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fsd1 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
@RobSD, no way unless he gets traded and no on sean, dont want him back EVER!
VanKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:07 am
@Cruiznblue, Exactly @fsd1 – We would zero offers for that trade package. And if Penner and/or Parse start scoring and start attracting offers… then why would we not want to keep them??
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Duckbasher Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@VanKingsFan, – Penner is an LA King and is ours to love (or hate). I don’t know about everyone else, but with his salary, and my love for the Kings, I believe my only choice is to learn to love him… because he’s not going anywhere. GO PENNER. GO KINGS!
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Forgive the piling on, but it is become increasingly clear based on intensity and consistency that for Dustin Penner to be effective, he needs to be on one of the top two lines. In Manchester.
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Totally to toot my own horn but this is exactly what I wrote in a previous post. Replace Penner with Parse and put him on the 3rd or 4th line. I really think this might help. I hope this will help. I think it should be Richardson though instead of Parse. Richie has earned it. Guy is a work horse.
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Duckbasher Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@RobSD, Richie just gets better and better. And should be rewarded for his play. But I like the first line exactly like it is.
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My lines
25 11 14
12 10 23
13 28 15
17 22 47
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The Dustin Brown is the problem argument is pretty laughable given his track history with the team. The fact that he is off to a slow start is more likely due to playing with a guy that is never in the correct position. I predict Brown will be a force tonight and the 2nd line will be sharp and chip in two goals. Brown will have six hits.
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:19 am
@bringbackbutchgoring, you talking about MR? Because Penns missed a few of those early games and DB was non-existant in those as well. I will be happy if DB has 2 hits tonight., Maybe even with 1 hit and drawing a penalty or two on the stars…
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Who went up against Kovalchuk and Parise last time? Richards’ line
Who saw the most minutes against Benn and Eriksson? Richards’ line
Those are the most potent scorers and we had the change at home — so those are the matchups TM wanted.
Guess what, Murray, if you keep using Richards that way, AND taking less defensive guys like Parse and Penner and putting them on his wing, you’re probably not going to like the results.
“Stoll is the shutdown line” — no it isn’t.
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I would like to see the lines remain the same, at least for a couple more games before the Murray shuffle begins.
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Im starting to feel as bad for Mike Richards as i felt for Kopi last year. specially since he got his hopes up about playing with Gagne, i guess Gagne is playing too well to be on the 2nd line.
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Parse – Kopi – Brown (Los Angeles)
Gagne – Mikey – Williams (Flying)
Penner – Stoll – Moreau (Oilers)
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@hmmmm, I wouldn’t mind trying that for obvious chemistry reasons. lol
Maybe Murray will change the lines so much that he gets there by accident.
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Penner – Stoll – Richardson???
LMAO!!! Penner is going to be so tired… Better drink some red bull or monster..Stoll and Richardson can skate pretty fast and are everywhere on the ice. I can see it now… Stoll and Richardson skating side by side during a rush and Penner waayyyyy in the back, not because he wants to be the trail guy but he is winded and can’t skate as fast. This will be interesting.
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:24 am
@tacomakingsfan, maybe he can the [tractor] trailer and we could do what SJ did to us in the playoffs last year, over and over again, hit the trailer high and let him snap one into the net…
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:32 am
@Stuart,
Yeah only one can hope.. but I’m not betting on it.
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:35 am
@tacomakingsfan, but it would be right up Penns alley, catch and shoot! no puck handling, catch and snap! I’m hoping like a sucker!
At this point I would take Westgarth over Parse. Westy has been playing his heart out as of late. The whole fourth line is bringing good energy when they step on to the ice.
I want Parse to show us all what we know he is capable of. I got a sinking feeling though that we wont see that till he gets moved to another team (i.e. Matt Moulson).
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
@LomitaKingsFan,
Moulson only played 29 games for the Kings and I don’t think was given quality minutes(I don’t remember and too lazy to look). How can a guy be expected to perform in situations like that? In NY he got 82 games and quality TOI… and he produced. I don’t really see Parse being a 30 goal scorer even with 82 games and quality TOI… but I guess that’s probably what was said about Moulson.
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Duckbasher Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@LomitaKingsFan, Yea, Westgarth has been lighting the lamp up consistently.
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Is anybody else still excited about Quick’s shootout streak? I know I am…even though TM threw a small bucket of water on it.
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If your gonna play Moreau on the right, you might as well play him with Penner, and Stoll since he has some history with those 2 already. Don’t mind Richy JR. playing there, but I was asking for an all Edmonton line even before Penner was put there.
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I’m pretty sure we’ve seen every line combination possible out of TM before, and regardless of who’s plugged into the line up on any given night, we will see the offense struggle and hopefully see a strong enough defensive effort for Quick to steal us another win. This happens game to game, and season to season. Pretty sure by now that any line up changes are a moot point.
I’m officially petitioning a change in our chant to Go Quick Go!
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
@PP Anybody?,
Wouldn’t it make just a little bit of sense to tweak the system a little? Do something to create more offense? I don’t understand. It’s very obvious that TM’s system stifles the offense.
If Murray doesn’t get past the first round this year it’s bon voyage I think. When is his contract up? With the talent on this team, something has to give.
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Old man parse needs to shut it down. The team will need the letters from his jersey when they trade for parise.
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Penner should not be expected to score on the thrid line and is not a defensive player. I dont get this move.
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:56 am
@tornado12, Gagne wasn’t quite lighting it up his first 3 games and now he’s a beast. Why does Penner only get 3 games and get called out in the media, then moved down. I like Penner there, but I don’t think Murray did it for a possible connection with Stoll per se. I hope Parse kills it, but just like Purcell said “I didn’t understand, I would sit, be put into a scoring role, score, and then sit again”.
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Winger23 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
@Dominick,
Unlike Gagne, Penner doesn’t contribute anything if he’s not scoring. He can hustle and get in shape all he wants, but he’s not even having scoring chances at this point. Gagne on the other hand was skating, in position, and contributing. thus the difference.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
@Dominick, Or like Quick said “I didn’t understand, I pitch 3 shutouts in a row, then i sit again”.
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@PP Anybody?, Nice. he he he
tornado12 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@Dominick, i think Penner’s reputation has jaded objectivity here. All we should expect from Penner in the 3rd line role is to hit and be resposible defensively and cycle. I really dont see that as his game.
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
@tornado12, He might click with Stoll, and Stoll needs to get going. Richards line does take the harder defensive match ups though. Hopefully being on the 3rd line will open his game up, and Stolls a capable enough player. Look how good he was with Smyth, and Smyth is twice as slow as Penner ever was.
tornado12 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@Dom, Good point with Smyth. I hope that clicks, but still would prefer Kopi/Penner. it has not been tried this year and last season it was good, albeit breifly due to injuries. Maybe put Moreau on the RW there and see if any old chemistry can be rekindled?
Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
@tornado12, I wouldn’t mind going there as long as Terry’s experimenting.
RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
@tornado12,
Does anyone really expect Penner to score anyway? When Gagne isn’t producing he still looks good out there, IMO. Penner always looks awful but if he is producing nobody cares. But when you don’t produce and look awful, you’re going to take some flak.
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
@RobSD, That line isn’t used to score though. I want him to score also, but TM uses that line as a stopper line. Nobody is happy Richards, and Brown aren’t creating together either, but look at the offensive players they go up against.
Kopi’s line is scoring because Murray tries to get that line out against the other teams 2nd, 3rd and 4rth lines whenever possible, and the other team even tries to get their best defensive players out there against Kopi’s line.
If Kopi’s line took Richards defensive match ups, Kopi’s line would take the hit more (like they did last game).
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This coach makes my brain hurt.
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I think Kopi and MR should have a sit down with each other and decide who should play on their wings. Leave TM out of it!
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I’m shocked at how many people want to see Penner with Kopi. The guy has the same amount of points and pims as Westgarth and has played more games….
All he has been this season is a $4mil enforcer! He hacks with his stick bc he can’t move his feet long enough to put a body on the puck holder and I think I can count the number of times he’s carried the puck across the blue line this year on one hand!
I’ll give the guy a little longer to make a better impression, but if he keeps this pace up until the all-star break I’d put him on waivers and cut my losses if I was DL.
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
@missingpennertration,
Waivers wouldn’t matter. Who is going to pick up that cap hit for 4 assists. Which is the pace he is on.
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missingpennertration Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
@RobSD, I’m not 100% on this, but if he’s picked up on waivers I think we still pay half of the contract and the new team would pay the other half.
Even then, I’m not sure who would pick him up with his performance so far.
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Phillip Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@missingpennertration,
so dissaponting that he just cant get it together. No way should he be with Kopi or Richards. This guy played his best when they stuck him on the 4th line last year. Dude just slowes everything down to a snails crawl. Throw him in with our slow-pokes and he’ll look like a star again !
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Penner should be living in a van down by the river. Not making four and half million a year. Haha. I love bashing Penner.
I was voicing my dislike for Penner at the Dallas game and a few Kings fans were very fast to jump to his defense. They must not watch the games very often.
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I like these lines. If Richards can’t get Parse going, nothing will. Expecing a big night from Scott.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@Cynic, Well, getting to play on the Richards line is a new opportunity. Let’s see what he makes of it. (Thinking positively.)
Pens, on the other hand…is getting disconcerting (from a production standpoint–he at least seems to be trying this season.)
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Ladies & gentlemen, boys & girls lets give a round of applause to Tinkerin Terry & The Shot Mentality! He’s here all season folks. Try the veal & tip you waitress well!!!!
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TM, TM, TM. Sigh. Parse is not the solution to your offensive woes. Try putting your best offensive players out there to maybe, I don’t know, score? But no, you have to use these same player to attempt to shutdown their best players. You want them to score more? Change your damn system.
NO more letting the wingers stand staionary at the opponents blue line just to tip it in deep. If you are going to dump it in do it with speed.
Keep a foward OFF the boards in the offensive zone. Other teams only have to use 2, why do you have to use all 3? Keep one circling the slot.
Let the F3 Forward pinch more. You have a good defense, and great goalie. Take advantage of this. You may give up a few out numbered attacks, but surely you’ll get some in return.
Give the green likght to the 3 offensive Dmen. Let Johnson,Doughty/Voynov/Martinez plant thier asses in front of the net. Confuse the defense.
Anyhow, com’n boys, we could use a win tonight.
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kingszzz Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@Winger23, what you propose is SO not ’70′s.
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Yes, let’s hope Dewey plays this weekend. They’ll need the fresh bodies for the back-to-back.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Maybe Sunday is even better, for the fresh body thing.
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Scott Parse!!! Finally in the lineup…YES!!! I think him and Richards will be awesome! Scott Parse is like the Tim Tebow of the NHL…no respect for producing results!
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I like this change a lot. Penner and Brown on the same line just doesn’t work it seems. Both require line mates to adjust to their style and their styles clearly don’t mesh.
This makes that third line pretty dangerous and possibly improves the 2nd line as well. Parse was MUCH better on the left and and I think will have better chemistry with both Richards and Brown. Parse and Brown know each other pretty well and Richards is good enough to adapt.
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Too bad. I really liked the energy that the 4th
line with KW has been giving us.
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