Scott Parse will make his North American season debut tonight in place of Kevin Westgarth. Parse played the first two games of the season in Europe but didn’t show much and was replaced when Dustin Penner returned to the lineup. After 19 days, Parse gets another look tonight, on the second line with Mike Richards and Dustin Brown. Penner drops to a third-line look, with Jarret Stoll and Brad Richardson, a look the Kings used in the third period of Tuesday’s loss to New Jersey. Parse has potential — he has 16 goals in 66 career games — but has yet to become a lineup regular. Here were Terry Murray’s thoughts today about the move…
MURRAY: “The offensive part of the game is something that we want to get better at. We need better numbers. We’re like third-lowest in the league right now in the offensive category, and we have to get some scoring. Parse is a player that we’ve often talked about, as to why he’s with us. He’s an offensive, creative thinker and he can score some goals. I think he’s getting through his offseason surgery and becoming a healthier player every day. He seems to be skating with more of a purpose out there now in the practice, so I want to get him in and see if he can contribute on that offensive part of the game.’’
Parse’s inclusion in the lineup also led to the question, “What about Trent Hunter?” Signed to a one-year contract after a strong training camp, Hunter has been a healthy scratch for five of the first eight games, and is scheduled to be scratched again tonight.
MURRAY: “His game, in training camp, I thought was pretty good on the offensive side of it. His net presence, we talked about after game. His ability to make plays off the boards on breakouts, that was very good. What you’re juggling here, right now, is an Ethan Moreau, who is giving us that size and the grit and the checking and experience. I like what Brad Richardson is bringing us, with energy and quickness and speed on that third line right now with Stoll. Again, it’s a juggling act. I could probably get (Hunter) in and look for more from him on the offensive part of things, but I’m going to go with Parse here in this game tonight, and not change two players out. We’ll move through this and we’ll see how it goes, and maybe as we get to the next game or two, we’ll see where Hunter fits in.’’
Ah, depth is a good thing to have…
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bmova Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
@BobsYourUncle, Not when the depth isn’t very good!
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Sean Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
@bmova,
Better than it has been in a loooooong time.
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Cowboy Bill Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@BobsYourUncle, how about showcasing (trade) depth and swapping Parse so we can bring Loktionov up to the bigs? Not sure what his numbers are in Manchester, but the kid can play. Voynov is making the most of his opportunity too. Let the kids play!!!
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Bluecoconuts Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@Cowboy Bill, He leads the Monarchs in scoring I think. But he doesn’t play wing, they only want him for center.
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USHA#17 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@Bluecoconuts,
And, he is much better at center then at wing where he becomes very average.
MB Kings Fan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@BobsYourUncle, C’mon Parse… you have a chance to take over for what all have wished Penner would be. The ball is on the tee….HIT IT LONG AND STRAIGHT… or go back down to Manchester to get your head right.
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King John Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@BobsYourUncle, agreed (on depth is a good thing to have…).
I’m excited: I’ll have something to look for besides Quicky. It’s no fun watching our offense; at least this’ll be something we can look at. I like Parse, but he DOES need to break thru. Maybe it’ll ignite something on the line, like when he played those five games last year with Kopi and Brown. But I want some intensity, Parsely!
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Alex Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@BobsYourUncle, Parse??????????????? well sad.
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Get ready for some more jumbling line combo’s… (again, sigh)
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McFame Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:54 am
@KingsGuy,
I feel your pain. Chemistry cannot be built this way..
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BobsYourUncle Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:54 am
@KingsGuy, Well, when the team scores only 3 goals in the last 3 games, something has to change…
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KingsGuy Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@BobsYourUncle, Like McFame says, chemistry cannot be built this way. However, I agree to switch some things around, but no need to jack with EVERY LINE…
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nykingfan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 11:54 am
@KingsGuy,
we can’t score goals right now.
Do you want him to stick with the same lines that have led us to being near the bottom of the league in scoring, or try to do something to create an offensive spark?
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fsd1 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
@nykingfan, Hell no! then everyone would be wanting TM fired…..
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
@fsd1,
Me thinks that is already happening!
nykingfan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
@fsd1,
LOL
Tommy Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
@KingsGuy, Yeah seriously! why even bother with parse he is one of the biggest let downs imo.
why not bring up loti? i don’t get it. I’d rather have some grit and toughness out there playing a rival team like dallas. You know how those games can get out of control at times.
I would of stuck with westy and let parse think about how he needs to step his game up.
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So Parse has at least improved from his first few games. Tonight we face 7-0-0 Lehtonen so its a tough test for the offense. CAN”T WAIT!
GKG!
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I had a feeling that TM would juggle the 3rd and 4th lines!… but the 4th line has been solid!, im thinking that its Penners line that needs to get going!.. just dont mess with the 1st line TM!.. I hope Parse can exhibit some of that skill us Kings fans have been hearing about/waiting for!!!..
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The Third Vopat Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
@jpizzle313, Penners line? Penners stock just keeps dropping and dropping. Peggeed for the first line, got bumped because of injury. Supposed to make a kick arse 2nd line, doesn’t do much. Now with third line duties. He better make the best of it. Not too many places to go buddy. Lack of offense, missed assignment for turnovers and stupid penalties. His digging his own grave.
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Shakes Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@The Third Vopat,
from 1st line to cleanup in the El Cid…
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Alex Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
@jpizzle313, Well the first line has not done anything in the last 3 games. Most of the team now know we have only one line that can produce and they shut it down and the rest…well al know about the rest.
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one thing that never changes about a kings team is the overabundance of 3rd/4th line forwards on its roster…and that’s not a bad thing to have this year…(depth)…but not everyone is gonna be out there everyday…
if parse wants to play, he’s got to do more…it’s that simple…
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
@variable, I think for the bottom line with most fans will be the score board, and Murray needs that to happen right now. I will just be looking at the quality of chances. His job is to create, but that line has been used as our stopper line since the season started. They’ll have their hands full just trying to stop Ribeiro’s line from scoring 5 on 5.
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variable Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@Dominick,
well, as RICH’s header plainly indicates, he’s getting another chance…
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Since I don’t think Parse is worth talking about, anyone see Brayden Schenn broke his foot last night? Out for a month. Took a shot right off the foot from PK Subban. Ouch!
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KC23 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@Scot, yep, bad break (if you’ll pardon the expression), but I’ve honestly been very un-impressed with Schenn at the NHL level. He’s done squat. We stole Richards big time. Maybe DL’s finest trade ever.
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ToughD Reply:
October 28th, 2011 at 1:05 am
@KC23, Agreed that may be his best trade. Schenn & Simmers are both young and improving, but their games have holes. I remember defending Simmers on the board a couple of seasons ago, but his deficiencies became more apparent last year. But at 23 and top minutes with Philly, he should show some greatness at some point this season to get a better gauge of his potential. Likewise Schenn is probably a few years away…so I guess we’ll see then how this trade truly pans out.
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The main thing Parse has over Penner on the 2nd line is a lot more speed. He may very well be a better fit to play with Richards & Brown.
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Token Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@jwr, Exactly! Second line was way too speedy for Pens.
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RobSD Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@Token,
+100000000000000000
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KC23 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
@jwr, My take as well. Penner kind of requires good forechecking from his line mates. I could see that 3rd line really making a difference. I’m hoping we start to see the Parse we saw in his first year and going on the left side of Richards should be interesting. Richards might just be the perfect answer to a player like Parse who has the skill, but lacks the confidence.
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off-topic…
but that kyle turris situation just got more dicey and confrontational today…
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Eric K Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
@variable, Thank god Doughty didn’t go that far.
Turris is coming off as somewhere between irrational and insane. Maloney is doing the exact same thing DL did, which is stand his ground until the player comes back to earth… except Turris and his agent have no intentions of doing that.
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AZ King Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
@Eric K,
At least Doughty has some past success to go off of (Norris nomination, Gold Medal,etc). Turris is just believing his own hype.
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Hockeyfanb4Gretzky Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
@AZ King, Patrick O’Sullivan ?
Sergei Prozacutov Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@AZ King,
Turris used to be “The Next Kariya”.
But he is not any more.
His future changed, bigtime.
Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
@Eric K, does his agents name start with Don?
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BobsYourUncle Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
@Eric K, O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D
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variable Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@Eric K,
i agree…
what is this kid and his agent going to accomplish by doing this…?
gm’s are preparing their label makers accordingly…
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DLB Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
@Eric K, actually what the Kings did is have Jeff Solomon pick up the phone…
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Kevin Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@variable, Penner for Turris!
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variable Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@Kevin,
“”The CBA gives us certain rights to Turris and we are exercising our rights,” Maloney told ESPN.com in an email Thursday. “There will be a point in the future Turris will have the right to decide who he wants to play for and how much he will accept.
“He is not at this stage, given his age and experience. If he wants to play in the NHL this season, he will re-sign with us. We will not trade his rights under any circumstances and are prepared to live with the consequences if he decides to sit out this, and future, seasons.”"
after reading maloney’s response, i think penner would have better odds in getting traded to the hamburg freezers than for turris…(!)
penner’s is on the last year of a $4.25 million deal (remember kevin lowe’s offer sheet years back…?)…and unless you happen to be a gm or owner whom resides in the new york state area, the kings are in bed with penner for the year…of course, unless they try and waive him, but would then still be responsible for at least half his salary if they did…
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I like the move. I haven’t been too impressed by Penner or Hunter, and Moreau has been OK defensively but unspectacular (and pointless) on the third line.
And at risk of sounding like a broken record, this is a good opportunity for Parse to show us something.
Anything.
Scott?
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Kasey9 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@Eric K, Hunter has only gotten 1 game so thats not really fair to judge him yet and coming off bad injury i bet if he played alot more he can be that 20 plus goal scorer he was in NY and Moreau isnt suppose to be spectacular he never has been in his career I think hes just more of big body player
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I like the looks of this line. Always good to have a sniper (Parse), a net presence / crashed (Brown), and a quarterback (Richards). the third line looks stronger a well.
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Shakes Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@LAPD line,
that’s a good breakdown- and if you think about it a good composition for any team’s second line
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off topic:
Looks like Schenn is out 4-6 weeks with a broken foot. Not a good start to the year for him.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=379040
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variable Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@AZ King,
tough break for him, as he just got done playing his brother…
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“Parse has potential — he has 16 goals in 66 career games — but has yet to become a lineup regular”.
I swear I read that same line every time his name has been mentioned as part of the line up for the past 2 years. Also, i know there’s been plenty of debate about Penner, Parse, where each o them fit in, etc etc… but it sort of feels like management is losing their patience just as easily as the fans. I’m not interested in rehashing the same argument, it’s just interesting to watch this stuff play out.
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The Third Vopat Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
@Helvetica, Even sadder is that sounds like Pavle Rosa from way back when. Tore up the AHL, had flashes of greatness, but in the end couldn’t hang at the NHL level. That went on for years with him.
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variable Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
@Helvetica,
yr right…
there’s not much more to say about parse…
if he can’t produce in these opportunities, then it’s time to reassess what his ceiling really is…
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I believe Terry Murray is doing this to appease my anger for not starting Quick last game. (As important as my opinion is….LOL!)
Really though, Parse is getting an opportunity tonight and I’m expecting big things from him. He’s gotta know his days are numbered if he doesn’t produce, injury or not.
Parse gets 2G, 1A tonight. Lehtonen melts down tonight. I expect a VERY aggressive Kings team tonight.
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Cynic Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
@Cynic, I said tonight 3 times there. I must think I’m Phil Collins. (‘Cuz tonight, tonight, tonight, ohh, ooohhhhhhhhhh).
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wavesinair Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
@Cynic, and it’s on this afternoon…lol.
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ESPN NHL – Flyers C Brayden Schenn (acquired in Mike Richards trade) out 4-6 weeks with broken left foot
Dayummmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!
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Off topic, did you see that Quick is listed as #1 on TSN’s NHL Player Rankings? Not #1 goalie, but #1 PLAYER!!!
http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=10467
Go Kings!!!
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Raunq12 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@BobsYourUncle,
Ahhh What a beautiful thing man
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@BobsYourUncle,
Just wait. They’ll pull him soon enough!
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ta Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
@BobsYourUncle, Thanks that’s AWESOME PUB for JQ.
Too bad our coach sat him while JQ was rolling!!!!!
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Again I won’t complain if we win every game 1-0…..
That’s about as much offense as one can hope for.
We have potential with Parse and Penner…..I’ll leave it at that, come the end of november
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So dumb. Let the 2 line gain some chemistry for crying out loud.
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The story that has been told for generations – the Kings are looking for improvement at LW.
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Ladies & gentlemen, boys & girls lets give a round of applause to Tinkerin Terry & The Shot Mentality! He’s here all season folks. Try the veal & tip you waitress well!!!!
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@King Alex,
Awesome! Nice nickname… Tinkerin Terry!
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Pure conjecture but the change tonight could partially stem from discussions between TM and Brown, assuming that TM would want some feedback from King’s captain to discuss potential solutions to the 2nd line. Perhaps Brown feels no chemistry with Penner.
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, Perhaps Brown needs to take his head out of his rear and look around the ice for once and find someone to pass to and hit! I love the guy but its a love hate relationship at the moment for me.
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Stuart Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, hmmmm, very interesting…
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@Stuart, where have i seen this reply before?
BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
@Stuart, I found it! Since you didnt say so ill do it for you…You agree with me! hahaha
FroFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring,
Terry Murray doesn’t strike me as a coach who solicits a lot of feedback from players, particularly as it relates to chemistry.
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Good luck, Scott, although I do think that you have limited upside. Even so, I hope you’ll help the Kings’ scoring funk right now. Penner just seems to bring down his linemates on whatever line he plays on.
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OldKingsFan Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
@deadcatbounce, Penner is a t&rd. Pure an Simple he cost us 2 first rounders and he hasn’t done anything but stink up what ever line he is on. Hopefully we can dump him at the trade deadline for a 2nd or 3rd rounder if we are lucky.
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Those cool LAPD jerseys the boys practiced with the other not are now autographed and on NHL Auctions. It benefits Kings Care Foundation so bid up!
http://auction.nhl.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/User?id=losNHL&wl=12717464&type=L
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Since Doughty went down we have gotten more defensive (cautious with our attack and teams are pressuring the puck alot more. This is TM’s natural inclination anyway. When Doughty gets back we may start seeing the d get involved in the attack again and start to play more up tempo. (please let this be true God)
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puck73 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
@johnjuan, If thats true, then how do you explain the Blues game 5-0 ?
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Why is TM playing Parse before Hunter? I dont get why Hunter has been sitting anyway when he can easily generate offense and score goals like he always done in his career even if it was with the Islanders. I like Westgarth and all but Hunter is going to do more that he will
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Please stop complaining so much guys. The year is young and we’ve done well so far. Why would anyone dump on Parse BEFORE tonight’s game? And why are there so many posting with random line changes? Half of us criticize TM for making too manch changes and post our own suggested lines. I have to go on the theory that TM sees more than we do (practice + film). I have to give him the benefit of the doubt until something demonstrably his fault occurs.
So far, the Kings look pretty good and I have high hopes that sometime before mid-season everything will click and they’ll go a big run.
“Always with the negativity Moriarty, always with the negativity.”
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YoBro Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
@Weasel, AGREED ! And, after 8 games, I figure 5-2-1 ain’t too shabby of a run right there. I’m sure we’ll all take 11 pts every 8 games all year.
Go Kings
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Why is Hunter not playing? He looked much better to me than Parse, Penner, AND Moreau. I don’t see Parse making a difference at all, I think it’s time to let it go.
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jwr Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
@Nyck,
It seems that Hunter busted his tail in camp to earn a contract and now seems to “relaxed” his game a bit. It does not help that Westgarth who he has been trading spots in the lineup with has played well.
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I honestly hope this helps Richards and Brown. These guys are busting their rump out there and Penner is typically no where to be found when in the offensive zone. And when he is there, he just looks plain lost on his positioning.
I will admit that Penner has shown some glances of being a little better compared to last year but that was only in his first couple of games. It didn’t take long for him to start looking like he’s skating through the mud again.
And I’m sorry, but I honestly am tired of hearing how more of a “shot mentality” is going to improve our offensive game. Sure, our shots on goal are low, but I think the shots are being made…. problem is, they are typically from the point more than not. Don’t get me wrong, shots from the point are good, but not when 5 out of 6 shots are coming from there. It gets and is predictable.
We need to adjust our system. Defense first for sure, but please…. let’s loosen the rope a little bit and let our talented offensemen do what they can do best and bury the puck. I just don’t see how we can greatly improve our offense and scoring within this system. Winning 1-0 is great and all but we’re going to quickly drain our goaltending if we are relying on them to give up a goal or less each and every single night.
Good luck Parse…. I hope you can give some spark to this line and bring some points in for MRichie and Brownie.
GO KINGS GO!
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I’ve not been a big supporter of Parse, but why not play him now? The Kings offense has been dismal os lets try to correct it. Let’s hope this pays dividends.
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Penner is destined for either 1st or 3rd line. He can’t hang with MR & DB on the second.
By the time Penns gets to the blue line, MR & DB had already crashed the net, had their chance and are backchecking.
When Pens plays on the first with AK $ JW, both of his linemates hold on to the puck long enough for Pennner to crash the net o at least get to the scoring areas. Kopi does his big sweep behind the net and Williams stick handles on the boards like a man possessed, which in turn gives Penns a chance to get in between the hash marks.
On the 3rd line he can just carry on with what he is doing now and be this years Poni.
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wes Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
@Token, plainly true. although it remains to be seen whether he can produce at ‘last-season’s-Poni’ level. at this point, people are pleased with his game if he’s not embarrassing himself and can muster 2 or 3 good shifts through the first 40 minutes. he’s not going to show up much after that (still a fitness issue?). given his body of work since acquired by the LAK, Penner’s position as a top 6 is not warranted. not logically or statistically defensible. his toolbox of skills is limited (nice size, nice shot, one of the worst skaters in the league). the numbers/results aren’t there. ‘what-to-do-with-Penner’ has become the drama that won’t go away.
meanwhile, i’m guessing Parse’s career shooting percentage eclipses anyone else on the LAK roster (excepting VV after tonight’s game!). sure, he needs some work/ice time to put his game back together, but–
Parse-Richards-Brown is a thoroughly legitimate top six second line.
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Support you, Parse!
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Good luck Parse.
Man, we really could use some scoring. If you have the ability to score goals, please do so starting tonight!
I don’t know what they’re going to do with Penner. I just don’t understand him at all.
Everyone goes thru scoring slumps, but as a professional player you would think he’s know that the only way to break a slump is hustling your ass off.
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and if Parse is held off the scoresheet, and Vegas odds are that he will… then couple that with BizNasty in the lineup on Saturday, and watch for TM’s quotes about Parse next time… good chance he’ll say something about giving him the chance, and him not seizing it.
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@Marc Nathan, It would be a shame if 1 game is all he gets.
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“We’re like third-lowest in the league right now in the offensive category, and we have to get some scoring.”
So, don’t put Parse on the shutdown line!
TM’s been trying to fix the offense for years. I wish I could call him into my office and tell him I need more.
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Dominick Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
@DLB, lol.
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Why the Parse hate? Parse has a career 12 goals in 66 games…that’s a goal every 5.5 games. Penner has 0 goals in 6 games this season. Let’s give Parse a shot on this 3 game road trip and see what happens.
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KC23 Reply:
October 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@Chucker, and Parse was put on his off wing to start the season and it just didn’t work for him … just like Moreau as well btw. When put on the left side he looks much better. Wouldn’t shock me at all to see him put some points on the board. This change is definately worth a look.
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Come on Parse! Have a great game and show the team you belong in the lineup.
GKG!
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