Terry Murray’s postgame thoughts…
(on the game…)
MURRAY: “The game, tonight, is about turnovers. All three goals that New Jersey scores end up being plays that we have possession of the puck and we just don’t execute and they come right back at us and end up scoring. The bottom line is, the best players on New Jersey — you look at the score sheet — they’re the guys that determine the outcome of the game. We need to be better. Our best players have got to be better players in order to win games in this league. We just were not on top of it.’’
(on Bernier’s play…)
MURRAY: “Bernier was fine. Bernier, I thought, made some big stops in the early going. We gave up some quality chances in the first period and he played well. This was not about the goaltending. This was all about managing the puck, and turnovers and giveaways that ended up being very easy goals against.’’
(on any worries about Bernier’s confidence, after two losses…)
MURRAY: “No, I’m not worried about his confidence. He’s a pretty gifted guy, I think, with his ability to manage his mental part of the game. As a young goaltender, you’re always on top of, and watching closely, how his mechanics are and how aggressive he is in his play. Over the course of time, with his confidence, he’s always showed me the ability to deal with what’s going on out there.’’
(on not having any regrets about starting Bernier…)
MURRAY: “No. You can dissect this whole thing anyway you want, you know?’’
(on the lack of sustained offensive pressure…)
MURRAY: “A little bit in the second, a little in the third, but early is where the game was at. You give them a lot of good feeling, a lot of momentum, a lot of confidence. They started handling the puck and making plays in our end because of what they were doing, and what we were not doing, in the first period. Then it carried over in their game. The bottom line is, you’ve got to compete, you’ve got to be ready to play hard every night in this game. I think, with what we showed in our first half there, it’s just not good enough. If we’re going to be a top team in the league, you have to go out and earn the right to win every night.’’
Cool story bro.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
@PP Anybody?, lmao.
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The coach’s job is to make sure the team is prepared. He failed. He threw them a curve ball, and left them disoriented, and not ready to play.
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Cynic Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, With all the typing I’ve done, I should have just said it this way. +1
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:10 am
@Cynic, I enjoy your break downs of subjects. So please keep doing them
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pautna Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 7:39 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Really? Players are that sensitive? Wow.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 9:51 am
@pautna, YARLY
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ike Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 10:17 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Given the emotional instability of the team, TM should make JB wear a JQ jersey. I’m guessing JQ starts every game from now on. Or not.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@ike, Obviously, your backup goaltender is going to have to play some games. When those games are scheduled should have something to do with it. All sarcasm aside, I really don’t see it as being because Bernier played, but because of how Mr Waffles presented his case (and I’ve said this before.)
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It looks like the local media didnt pressure that much TM. The fact is, if you were in Montreal or Toronto, you would be on the spitter searing over a weber bbq and local fans might be trying to get your phone number or address so they could heckle you.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
@puck73, Or call the cops on you.
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I agree with TM as far as not coming out and competing like a top team, however the goalie situation paulas a huge part in defensive communication and offensive confidence as a whole. If it’s not broke don’t fix it TM. Let the hot hand play!
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Terry Murray needs to get the BEST out of the TOP PLAYERS on this team EVERY GAME. I just don’t think he is able to do just that. Sure, Terry Murray has shown that he is good with a young club, good with rookies, having a pretty good eye of what is going on with the team, and etc… But “the time is now” for Terry Murray to get these TOP PLAYERS to the next level.
And by the way, where the heck is Scott Parse? Not that I’m a big fan of his. But I think he odd to jump in for Dustin Penner who has been playing like he doesn’t give a dump.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
@Brown23, Why? Most people on this site think Parse sucks. I mean, thats all I have read on this site is how useless he is, and we should just waive him, or trade him for a draft pick. I mean, that has been the consensus around here, hasnt t?
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jeff Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 8:25 am
@Brown23, you got that right a dead horse but Scott parse not munch better bring up some one that cares get Penn out there
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it’s TM mo…..Team doenst play hard all the time….no offense…..17 goals in 8 games…..Coach wants shot mentality….what does that mean??? Martinez..you get 6 shots and Richards gets zero???This coach can not teach offense.Richards and Penner will not be goal scorers in this system.Richardson,Lewis Cliffy and Westy will never score.It is a problem that needs to be addressed…
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chewy Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 11:59 am
@neil, 100% agree…..we have alot of talent defensively and in net. We need a more high tempo offensive system…are d anf goaltending can handle the pressure. If we still have problems scoring this year, you have to look at coaching.
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OK, I will dissect this the way I want to. Thank you.
Let’s make it simple. Go back and read everything I said before. Why rehash it. You made a bad decision. Plain and simple. We all do things like that, just that with your experience, I know I was in disbelief and extremely disappointed.
Yes, the team as a whole played pretty bad. Turnovers, bad passing, Devils just wanted it more.
My fear is that just like Quick said in his intermission interview, HE TRUSTS YOU! I hope you watch that interview Terry. That is a kid who really put his pride in his pocket for the love of his team. He wanted to say a lot more than he did, but gave YOU all the praise in the world instead. Everyone was shocked at your decision. Things like that affect people. What else could have happened between that awesome end of game celebration and tonight’s puck drop to make these guys on 3 days rest play like that? I would think with a young team, the last thing you want to do is rock the boat when its cruising at top speed and doing well. I believe this decision played a part of getting in the team’s head. It showed on the ice tonight. A lot of hesitation, a lot of mistakes, very little confidence.
You made a mistake Terry. Please just acknowledge it and lets move on, lesson learned. I will if you will. No spin. Bernier wasn’t bad tonight. Deep in his net a few times, but pretty good when he needed to be. I think your feeling about Bernie was right, the timing was just horrible.
Alright, it’s out of my system (I think). Bitter pill tonight, but swallowed. We gotta get those 2 points in Dallas! Gonna be brutal coach, get ‘em ready! I know you can.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
@Cynic, 66% of the people on this site disagree with you. I mean, thats what Rich’s poll stated today. It’s funny, I voted that I was against TM, and when the results came up after I voted, I was SHOCKED!
I hope some of you show up soon and admit it was a mistake, regardless if the Kings would have won!
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
@puck73, I’m not sure if you saw Rich’s comment to you, watch youself. I know what you had to go through because I went through it myself, it’s not worth it.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
@CB14, You are right, I am so mad at Terry Murray right now that I need to calm down.
Cynic Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
@puck73, You know what, that’s OK. The positive is that many just support TM. That’s a big change from recent years and it’s a good thing. I support TM too, I just didn’t on this decision on so many levels.
I’m just glad it’s over with. Just want the 2 points Thursday.
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wavesinair Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:14 am
@puck73, That poll is not even close to accurate.
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chip Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:04 am
@Cynic, You watched tonight’s game, and you think the loss was due to a change in goal. I hope you have time to catch a replay.
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Cynic Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:29 am
@chip, Fundamentally, it was the way the team played as a whole tonight that lost the game. I thought Bernier played pretty well. Our forwards were not defensively responsible. D- was pretty good.
Now the kicker…
What started the tenative play and lack of confidence tonight? What happened between that awesome after game celebration the game before and puck drop tonight that made us play with such a lack of cofidence? The only real thing that happened was this left field decision by TM to bench the hot hand. Like I explained earlier, what does a coach do when his team is not doing well…he changes goaltenders. Not usually the goalies fault, but it’s done to send a message to the players to play better.
Now imagine the crazy message this sent to the team when this decision was made. Players are people and things like this affect them. I can almost guarantee this move affected their confidence tonight and each player will have a different answer why. Unless you know them personally, you’ll never get their answers. Their play spoke volumes tonight. As stated by WTFK earlier, TM threw the team a curve ball and did not prepare them tonight.
I think the change in goal had a lot to do with the mentality of tonight’s team on the ice. I hope that makes my position clearer.
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LBCKingsfan Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:40 am
@chip, Agreed. I was there in section 115 and the boys looked horrible. They looked completely outta sinc. They were turning over the puck left and right. This was not about the goal tending situation.
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billanthony Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:23 am
@Cynic, If this team can’t muster up confidence with their (quality) backup goalie plugged in for a game, any game, at any point during the season, then they completely lack heart and no coaching decision, system, or strategy will ever change that. I don’t believe it, and I’m not buying into any fragile psyche theories.
On a more positive note, the Kings are still on pace for a 113 Pt season.
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Cynic Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:34 am
@billanthony, This was a pretty serious curveball. Unless you’re one of the players or know them real well to get the answer, you’re drawing at straws as much as I am. Don;t buy it. That’s OK. I’m just trying to explain the extreme differences between the team that played Saturday and the one that played tonight.
The only real change was the one in net.
Besides, like I said before as well, the Devils played a real solid defensive game tonight. That didn’t make things any easier.
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Reality Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 2:22 am
@Cynic, Anyone who thinks our record at this point of the season is indicative of our play is fooling themselves. Yes we looked bad tonight, but if you think tonight was the first time we have looked ineffective and undeserving of the moniker of contenders then you have been watching the games with blinders on. We have failed to control a single game territorially all season, including the St Louis game. We’ve been carried by strong goaltending and fortuitous bounces in every game this season.
Jonathon Bernier had nothing to do with this loss tonight. Goal one was nothing more than a bounce of a flailing forward that could not be legally overturned. Goal number 2 was a brutal giveaway by our best player. And goal number 3 was an equally brutal giveaway by Matt Greene. If you want to fault goaltending tonight or argue that starting Bernier shattered the confidence or fluidity of the team then you are searching for an excuse.
Bottom line is that until we start playing passionately and unified. And start earning our victories with intense forechecking, a desire to posess the puck, we are going to hit a wall very soon. An east coast team on a long road trip came into our building tonight and out skated us. They smoked us. Their is no viable excuse, especially not the theory that because Quick wasn’t in the game caused us to play uninspired lifeless hockey and get out worked in our own building.
Eggplant Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 5:10 am
@Cynic, The Devils played a real solid defensive game tonight. So did the Stars. The team that was on the ice Saturday was completely different than the one tonight. I tend to agree with you, maybe the change in goal affected the morale in some way.
But then again, what if it was something else? If you look at the schedule the Kings have had, this 3-day break was really their first “homecoming” if you see what I mean. Sure, they had a break right after their monster road trip through Europe and the East Coast, but after that they had a nice string of games vs. St. Louis, at Phoenix and vs. Dallas. So, could tonight’s lack of effort be fatigue? Or complacency after 3 incredible games and then getting some R&R in LA?
I’m guessing like any of us are, this just came to mind.
CabbagesAndKings Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
@Cynic, I’m not sure why everyone keeps telling you that the loss wasn’t Bernier’s fault — aren’t we all agreed on that guys? The team played poorly. Often when a team plays poorly it reflects on the coach. This is one of the situations where fans can see that a coach not only failed to motivate his team for a game — but effectively managed to demotivate them.
Cynic Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
@All three of you-
Reality- I’m not searching for an excuse, but an answer. I look at all possible reasons for why something goes right or wrong. It’s called keeping an open mind and one of the better parts of living in reality. While I can respect your opinion, I totally disagree that we have not been effective in controlling a game territorially all season. The St. Louis game was a solid 60 minutes of doing just that. Controlling tempo, solid puck movement, etc. I believe you need to give this team more credit. While it’s true not every game has been a gem, most of the time we have been where we need to be to win and have played well doing it. Difference of opinion. Hope you can respect it.
Eggplant- Totally agree with your first statement. Very good point on your second. It could have been the slowing down of things with the break that had an effect on the team as well. I was so focused on the obvious curveball, that I didn;t consider this one. Good though.
C&K – People can misread what I mean. It happens, but you’re right, I don;t believe this was Bernier’s fault, although I think Quick would have been stronger on the Zubrus goal and faster on the quick shot that beat JB. Just my opinion though. A very interesting last statement! I can agree with that. I almost feel as if Terry Murray is one hell of a ‘Teaching’ coach, but that once the team outgrows the teaching and needs to learn to ‘Dominate’, he can’t seem to teach that and makes moves like this, almost being overprotective of his team. Good intentioned, just his nature of being too careful could end up hurting this team’s further development.
Good discussion points all the way around though.
Penner has to sit. Dropping him to the 3rd line just hampers the 3rd line.
4th line was our best again tonight.
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I wonder if TM has a script written down for every situation..
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Pesus Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 9:27 am
@tacomakingsfan,
I pretty sure he has no answer for not being able score.
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The kings did not look good tonight.. I agree that it was a bad decision to play bernier. Terry murray should be benched for that, let’s let John Stevens have a crack at being head coach for w few games
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
@Theloguer, I thought I was the only one lol.
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Pesus Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 9:35 am
@Andrew: the second coming,
I think TM creates these distractions on purpose to hide the fact that his system doesnt produce enough goals, no matter who is on the ice. Then he just demotes players who’s contract is up at the end of the year. (fro, sturm, penner). With the salary cap our window for winning is probably smaller than we like to think. TM is just wasting our time.
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Man, the TM quotes are fun to read. He keeps contradicting himself.
1. “The bottom line is, the best players on New Jersey — you look at the score sheet — they’re the guys that determine the outcome of the game.” Um, you were the one who decided to put your BEST player on the bench.
2. “No, I’m not worried about his confidence.” regarding Bernier. In today’s post titled “Murray stands by call to start Bernier”, Murray was asked whether he felt he would have been messing with Bernier’s confidence is he changed his goalie plans after Quick’s third shutout… His answer, “I would be nervous if I went back to him (and told him he wasn’t starting tonight). Yes, absolutely. It wouldn’t be the right thing to do. sic If I don’t show confidence in him now, when does he play?”
Keep talking Terry, it’s funny to watch you contradict yourself.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
@CB14, You, me, wavesinair, and Dominick have been screaming to the high heavens about this micromanager, and you could tell that Quick and Brown were biting their tounges on this one dude.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
@puck73, I told you they both looked displeased in the interviews. Quick is all for the team, I 100% sure he thinks he could have made a difference in this game. The dude is a gamer and he is on top of his game. Like you said “play the hot hand”. Then why didn’t you?
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colo king fan Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:26 am
@puck73, Murray drives me crazy. At least let the “hot hand” give up a goal before you swap him out. It’s okay though, he’ll just shuffle the lines, spout off a bunch of garbage about shot mentality, they’ll beat Dallas and it will all be back to the status quo. Oh and that “hot hand” comment he made about the goaltending duties at the beginning of the season – that’s his ultimate contradiction. Simply put, he went away from the “hot hand” and got burned in the process. It’d be nice if he’d just come out and say “I screwed up” for once instead of yammering about like a politician in attempt to justify his crappy decision. Micromanager is the perfect term for him… always tweaking this or that, and sometimes it costs the team.
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I dont know why I havent seen this (maybe I missed it) but how about Bernier and Penner (since he only has one year left on his contract too) plus one pick for Parise? Anyone?
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
@HemetKingsFan, Why would New Jersey make that move? How does that move improve their team? Penner!? Seriously? If you were Lou Lamoureillo would you make that move?
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
@HemetKingsFan,
Not sure on that one. Parse is going to be a UFA. No telling where he wants to go next year.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
@tacomakingsfan,
Damn phone.. Parise not parse.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Well he knows he can get a free plane ticket here anytime
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
@Andrew: the second coming,
Yeah and Brown can escort him around too
chip Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:09 am
@Andrew: the second coming, Why? Does he have a wife that would like to see LA once?
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:11 am
@Andrew: the second coming, Maybe, or maybe he heard how wonderful of a vaca it is from Kovalchuck’s wife lol.
HemetKingsFan Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:05 am
@tacomakingsfan, Fine, worst case scenario, we free up 5 mil in cap space. We cant pay Bernier as much as hes(expected) to get anyways when we pay Quick in two years
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colo king fan Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:28 am
@HemetKingsFan, you’d be lucky to get a bag of pucks from NJ for penner at this point… all that talk about him working out in the off-season.. guess he should have gone to a motivational speaker instead cause his work ethic stinks.
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
@HemetKingsFan, There was a ton of talk about a trade like that on these boards (so much that I think a few people got sick of it), but it was mostly before we picked up Gagne. A lot of Bernier + + for Parise + +. I was a fan of the Bernier + prospect for Parise + Hedberg. I think Hedberg makes a better back up then Bernier (not that he’s a better goalie, but just that he’s more suited for a back up roll). The Kings get Parise and the Devils get a potential franchise goalie. Seemed to make sense at the time.
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THis board is missing as bad as TM…….
THe problem isn’t WHO plays in net……
Our problem is TM’s offensive system. Even w/ Quick, this team isn’t scoring AND SHOULD. ….
AND NEVER HAS under TM…..
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
@dahack11, True.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
@CB14, John Stevens seems to have a balanced apporach, Still stessing D but still understands the need to put the puck in goal. Some should tell TM everytime we are in the Ozone we can’t be scored on:D.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
@Andrew: the second coming, That would be nice. Infortunately I don’t think he would listen. He’s a defense minded coach regardless of where the puck is. There was alot of talk that the system was fine and that now that we got more skilled players it would show, so far it hasn’t shown anything yet.
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:03 am
@CB14, Which is why most offensive skill gets limted and suffers in his system. I’ve been saying it for a year now, We need a younger coach or even one that has more of a balanced apporach. It seems like TM doesn’t look to creat chances off of the rush. Players have a full head of steam and dump it in? Or go straight to the half boards and shot with no screen right into the chest. If you are going to shoot at least shoot low and try and get rebound. Look at the Blues game how many of those goals were because of the system? One,Two maybe?
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CB14 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:29 am
@Andrew: the second coming, So have I.
tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
@dahack11,
+1
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goldielocks Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:09 am
@dahack11,
I’m not TM supporter. I agree with his goalie decision this time but have never approved his offensive system. Philosophies like ‘Shot mentality’ or ‘Get lucky bounce’ should not be the main strategy, and that kind of ideas are spoiling our talented players’ talents.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:27 am
@dahack11, I bring this up all the time, but most people here seem content with lackluster offense as long as we have goalies posting shutouts so whatevs. People can keep believing in “net presence” and “shot mentality” all they want. We’re still 5-2-1, so as long as we can win more 1-0 games than we lose, people will be just fine with it I guess.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:50 am
@PP Anybody?, I like when we win 5-0. Just sayin.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 1:30 am
@Andrew: the second coming, So do I. I just don’t get the backlash from TM supporters who don’t understand that a team can score goals, AND play defense. I’d much rather see this team consistently score more than 1 or 2 goals, AND keep playing well defensively. People on here seem to think that’s a crazy idea, as if we started to try to score more would somehow make us lose more. Baffles me.
Id like to think its chemistry with our team and Penner would do better with anyone else if they looked at it that way( like he had with Edmonton and Anaheim) maybe a prospect too?? If we have any left. ( not Toffoli)
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HemetKingsFan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
@HemetKingsFan, or Voynov
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:13 am
@HemetKingsFan, Can you explain this better? I don’t get the point are you saying trade Penner or put him with younger players?
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HemetKingsFan Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:25 am
@Andrew: the second coming, sure. Im off tomorrow, so im a few beers in, but I think they would take Penner with Bernier plus a draft pick and a prospect for Parise cuz it looks like they cant reach an agreement. Anyone catch the new Tosh.O?
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:32 am
@HemetKingsFan, Understood, I would be a bit more I think, The Devils are doing everything they can to keep him
OK, If the torture of listening to this game on the radio wasn’t enough while I went on a 12 mile run along the Hudson, I had to additionally listen to the Husband and Wife Devils announcing tandem on WFAN. They absolutely sucked! So, I suffered more than any of you. Lousy game, awful announcers. Was forced to change the Channel to Z100 and actually endure Lasy Gaga singing Poker Face about the time giant rats were running across my path at the Ellis Island Ferry.
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CB14 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:00 am
@Poorman, You went on a 12 mile run along the Hudson at midnight? I’ve never been to New York, but from what i’ve heard that doesn’t sound like the wisest of choices. Be carefully man.
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chip Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:12 am
@CB14, He’s ok. The Hudson Giant Rats are too fat to jump higher than your knee, and tire of chasing you after forty yards.
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colo king fan Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:30 am
@chip, Dustin Penner must have trained em. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
CB14 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:32 am
@colo king fan, LMFAO
puck73 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:15 am
@Poorman, I will guarantee you that if Quick was in the net and the Kings had lost, you would have lit him up like New Years eve at Time Square. In the meantime Bernier is 0 and 2 and I have not heard one word from you about his performance in 2 games thus far in the regular season. I guess he gets a free pass huh?
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:18 am
@puck73, Broski, You should chill, I get what your saying just don’t want you to get blocked and Rich warned you already. So just lookin out for yo because I enjoy your posts.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:30 am
@puck73, Chill.
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Poorman Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:54 am
@puck73, Not happy with my boy Bernier. Very disappointing, and I sensed he would let in some goals from the beginning. I admit it!!!!!
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puck73 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 1:01 am
@Poorman, Fair enough, I am sorry.
TM blah blah blah blah blah blah my team sucks offensively because of my system blah blah blah i contradict myself a lot blah blah blah……………………………………………………
this coach will drive me nuts lol
go kings go
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:31 am
@gmo, Haha! I feel you.
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Heres why kings will always do bad with murray and kompon
Quick is hot, lets sit him
8 minutes left in the game, lets play the 4th line
the system, whatever the system is, it relies on no mistake goaltending and terrible offensive production
there is one team that has less goals than us in 8 games.. So basically we have the second to last offense in the league right now.. Everyone praises the defense, i give quick a lot of credit… Reason why he has so many highlight saves
Hes a coach with a demented thought process and hes horrible at what he does.. Sit a hot goalie when your team isnt scoring is basically saying, we can win but lets chance it by playing the backup..
also if murray really wanted to win he wouldnt be playing the 4th line with westgarth during the whole 3rd period..
what kings got right now is a load of talent with no one to lead them.. Id be more happy if the kings player picked there own lines and played how they wanted.. at least they would score goals
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Eggplant Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 5:23 am
@jason, That’s what puzzled me the most. The line decisions late in the game. I was like “Is that Brown on the ice..? No, Lewis. What?!” And where was Gagne-Kopi-Williams? It seemed like at best they got 30 second shifts in the 3rd. OK, I get that the 4th line was the most competitive one early in the game. But, c’mon, really? You expect them to turn the tide? When Clifford is the only one who can score a goal and even he needs some kind of set up.. And if he demoted Penner to the 3rd with Stoll and Richie, why did they play so much? I just don’t get it.
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Stuart Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 9:15 am
@Eggplant, all that seemed like punishment…our 1 and 2 line didn’t do much tonight, Penns was lazy so punish him by putting him out there, almost like embarrasing him… felt like the white flag was raised around the 10-minute mark of the 3rd.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 9:40 am
@Stuart, I’m sorry but I think the whiteflag was raised in the first couple of shifts,I said in the first period,”why out of 7 1/3 games played, we’ve only looked motivated in two of them, in the first period”.The players did’t show up,and the coach didn’t have them prepared and really did not do anything to change it,oh except for line changes.
jason Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 11:57 am
@jason, but you also have to remember, theres 3 periods and when he plays the 4th line hes basically saying we arent going to win this game so what the heck.. a period and 10 minutes is definitely reasonable to try for 3 goals.. with 2 minutes left down 3-0 ok play the 4th, but if we have a chance put the scorers in, double shift kopi.. try to win murray
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I would love to hear Miller say ‘ crisp passing by the Kings as they cross the blue line’
or ‘cycling down low by the Kings as they swarm the net’.
And how may times a game does Richardson end up on his butt?
Finally, I think Tommy Lasorda could do a better job coaching the Power Play than Jamie Tampon?
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It was a brutal decision national media in east coast hammering terry murray for his decision to start bernier. I think kings were flat becasue they wanted quick to start its just very awkward to go with another goalie when quick has a 3 game shutout streak
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puck73 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:32 am
@Mark, Although Jon Bernier acknowledged that TM had promised he would start tonite, you could tell by listening to JB that he was very uneasy about the whole situation.
Very unfair for Quick and Bernier. Nice going TM.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:37 am
@puck73,Everyone was unpleased thats a hard place to start if your JB, also I feel like it was bad to tell JB before the game, He should have told him at practise monday or even after the game.. Cause what happens if JQ gets his third? which happened and now you have pissed off fans lol.
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
@puck73, I agree about it being unfair — especially for Bernier. If Bernier stands on his head and gets a shutout, everyone is mad because it should have been Quicks shutout streak extended. And if he gives up even a few goals he somehow let his team down. It’s a no win situation for Bernier — horrible coaching to put him in that situation.
That’s the exact wrong way to handle a young goalie.
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we could do without murray and penner at this point..
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It seems the panic button has officially been pressed.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 1:42 am
@ToughD, This isn’t about panicking. This is about addressing the one shortcoming this team has had for a couple years now that could hinder it’s ultimate goal of winning a Stanley Cup championship, which is scoring. This isn’t just about the beginning of this season. This was brought to attention at the end of last year, and the year before. All nyone wants to see here, is a conscious effort to make some offensive adjustments to incorporate more scoring, to go along with our proven defense. When this team is shutout, and only manages to score more than 2 goals in regulation in one out of 8 games so far again this year, people are probably going to mention it.
Terry Murray himself said at the beginning of preseason that they needed to improve scoring. Some of us would just like to see some example that he actually has some clue of how to do that. I’m still waiting.
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So just so im clear on everything…..everyone is pissed that Bernier started instead of Quick and wanted TM to play the “hot hand”?… that quote is gonna bite him in the butt all season because if Quick stays hot all season we all want him to play all these games and if hes too tired by the end of the season and lose in playoffs everyone will say TM overworked Quick and that was a bad idea lol Im fine with Bernie playing tonight it was a East game and its still very early so it does not mean that much way they played tonight they would have lost anyway with Quick. Im just one of those guys that just lets TM do whatever he decides i figured 2 playoffs trips ina row he must be doing something right and of course at the game im already hearing the FIRE TM talk by some people which is annoying as hell
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Eggplant Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 5:28 am
@Kasey9, Sound of reason right there, BUT explain this to me. The idea is to give Quick a rest for the upcoming division games, right? So, Murray’s idea of letting Quick rest is “Hey, you could sit on your ass for half a week now and then play 3 games in 4 days. Sound OK? Great.”
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
@Eggplant, Yes, the rotation he seems to have planned doesn’t make sense to me either. And I love the, “hey, it’s an East team”. Are we just going to throw in the towel everytime we play a cross conference game? That seems to be what TM has been saying — and lucky for him — his players are listening to him.
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one lost, and everyone pushes the panic button. Were not going to go undefeated all year. Face it, the devils have our number right now. They beat us before and they beat us tonight. And quick played in the last devils game.
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They were lining up on the half-boards and picking off our very predictable cycles seemingly every time. Kopitar had no space, Gagne had no space, why weren’t there any adjustments made. And then it really got worse when we got away from our gameplan by trying to skate the puck through a trap, and defensively, getting away from our own. We had 3 forecheckers in deep on every play in the first period, giving New Jersey one easy pass out to lead an outnumbered attack. This should’ve all been taken into account, and it wasn’t. Not to mention, our players played a heartless game.
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I blame coach for this defeat. He’s just not following his own words/tactics. Of course I’m talking about his goalkeeper decision to start Bernier in this game. Going with the hot hand this year, he said LOL and he choose to sit Quick, who’s on 3 game SO streak? That’s just not it TM. Did he really said next year or sth?
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The only concern I have here is TM doesn’t really give a reason the team isn’t generating scoring chances. Yes, effort is involved, but there has to be more than just effort. There is no offensive plan that I can see. It’s not good enough to try to win games 1-0 when you play good defensive teams.
I thought this was the year when the team starts getting more offensive? DL brought in the skill guys but it seems like TM isn’t coaching like he has skill guys.
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puck73 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 7:38 am
@Dave, No arguement there.
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rick Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 9:19 am
@Dave, The first line did not play particularly well – Kopitar in particular. Penner is, and will always be, a guy with untapped potential. Richards can not win faceoffs, and is lackluster at times. Brown is not a true top 6 forward. It is easy to blame TM, but not fair.
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Dave Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
@rick, not sure i agree with any of this. i thought Kopitar was one of the better players last night. Brown scored 28 goals last year – that is top 6 on any team. Richards is fine on faceoffs.
TM is a defensive coach – everyone knows that. At some point he is going to need to let his skilled players use their skill. Cup winners score goals in bunches – TM has the guys to do it, he just needs to let them loose.
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Murray is an idiot. The Kings will never win anything with him as their coach, just like the Chargers will never win with Norv Turner as their coach.
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It is a strange choice to sit Quick after a 3 game shutout…despite the strange goaltender strategy(or whatever is going on up his head) of TM I think that offence is a bigger problem at this moment.
I can’t see any games on tv here in slo but as it seams not that they don’t score easily, they don’t get any chances either. Not time to panic, but they should start to score some goals.
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No sugar coating it, the boys just didn’t bring it last night. The score would have been the same with Quicker in net. The team needs to bounce back strong in this next 4 point game. I believe they will. GKG!
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puck73 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 7:45 am
@KFII, We sre not talking about 3 wins in a row, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 3 SHUTOUTS IN A ROW! Something that rarely happens on this league. Not only was the spotlight on Quick, but people on the east coast were starting to pay attention as well.
Instead, TM the micromanager pulls the rug out from a rested since sunday Quick and the team and the mindset changes.
If it aint broke, dont fix it. Oh and BTW, If the game was on Sunday, the day after the win vs Dallas then YES! Start Bernier, becauae you shouldnt play goalies on back to back days ever!
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KFII Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 8:00 am
@puck73, I read the posts and I’ve read your opinion on starting JB over JQ several times now. But it’s like a stubborn man beating a dead horse. Try to get over it. You may have that opinion, but it is only that, you can not know that TM’s choice of goalies had anything to do with the way the boys played last night. Stop blaming TM.
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With the real possibility that Bernie will be in against the Avs on Sunday, I would hope Dustin Brown has the stones to stand in from of the whole team and say, “We own Bernie better this game – all of us”.
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it’s early: “stand IN FRONT”
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As the likelihood of a Laker-less winter becomes more of a reality, increased media pressure on the Kings will be the best thing for this team. Why? Terry Murray won’t be able to get away with BS like last night.
This loss is squarely on the shoulders of Terry Murray and his mindnumbingly ridiculous decision to put in JB over JQ. It clearly through the entire team off their axis. Moreover, when a timeout could and should have been called after New Jersey’s second goal, Murray sat on his hands and did nothing.
There is no reason a top six as packed with skill as ours should be getting shut out. Now I understand even the most offensively gifted teams will be shutout from time to time, but not eight games into the season at home. There are no excuses for that. Murray is right in that our best players have to be better – I agree there. Gagne-Kopitar-Williams have been irrelevant the past few games for a line that should be able to finish their chances. However, Murray needs to manage this team better.
At the very least, the Kings are in a win-win scenario this season. Either we advance past the first round, or Murray is fired. I like both of those options.
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The goalie was not at fault tonight. I was at the game and we could not make a pass or hold onto the puck. They had the bounces of the puck work for them and it seemed not matter what the boys did it was the wrong choice.
The Kings looked really really bad and I was not happy with their play at all. I am shocked at how we cannot score goals. I thought we were supposed to be a better scoring team this year? I know it’s early in the season but 17 goals, this seems lower than I thought we would have. I expected us to have about 22 or so by now, maybe I am thinks our team is better than they really are?
I hope we get this changed by Thursday.
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CabbagesAndKings Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
@Dazed N Confused, No one is putting the fault on the goalie — everyone is putting it on the Coach.
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Bernie was hung out to dry. Agree wor dissagree with TM’s decision, the fact it was being questioned so much should have made the team want to plat well in front of Bernie. Sort of a screw you to the nay-sayers. Dissapointing that they flopped so bad.
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Is he saying that there was a lack of sustained offensive pressure “A little bit in the second, a little in the third”?! What game was he watching?
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Old tyme Kings hockey.
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All I can take away from this is that TM will never give the nod to the back-up before a game, for a game that will be played 4 days later…
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Is there another Dan Bylsma type out there? Penguins were floundering like this under their old coach and Bylsma came in mid season and they looked like a different team and won the SC with the same personnel.
Let’s hear some names of some young coaching talent so I can say I heard it here first!
gkg!!
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jason Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@yetiman_oc, bylsma would take this team to the cup in 2 seconds… we would play how our team was built.. we have an amazing goalie who stops breakaways and 2 on 1, we also have the talent to get creative and have a high powered offense that takes chances.. take chances and score.. screw this “system” crap murray always talks about.. The way quick plays he’ll always play well and make nutty saves..
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Do you people REALLY think a change in goal caused the team to lose confidence and play horribly? Is’t this supposed to be a Stanley Cup contender? And you REALLY think they were thrown by a routine goalie change? I hope that’s not true. I hope they have more confidence in themselves as a team no matter who’s in goal. If not, the they’re not as good as we all thought they were.
Actually, what I think is this theory is garbage. But it’s something that’s convenient for all the Murray bashers out there.
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Kings have had some real nice breaks this season and been lucky in a few of their wins. That won’t last and its a long season…the boys better be prepared because as they get better other teams will be that much better prepared to play us EVERY night!
NJ played a great game, even their coach said they played their best game of the year. Its 82 games season and some nights the other team is going to want it more, and talent alone won’t save you.
Plain and simple…..NJ wanted those two points more than the Kings. Hopefully thats only going to happen 5 or 6 times this season as it does every season. It even happens to the elite teams.
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I thought it was odd that after Quick’s great play and shut-out streak that TM put in Bernier…but you can’t over use QUick….we’ve seen what happens when you do that (Season ’09-10)…but the team has to play as well with JB in net, as Quick. In fact, arguably, it has to play better…because JB is good, but perhaps not as strong/consistent as QUick. But instead, the Kings almost see the JB games as “less important” or “non-divisional” so they tend to ease up. Turn-overs clearly were the issue…but that’s just laziness…or not feeling their opponent is as strong as competent.
I’m tired of all the corporate speak…or in this case “hockey speak” that coaches and even the players use. Can’t anyone talk anymore? Or is it just automated talk for the media. Just be plain speaking–everything is so PC and uninteresting. Even when the media interviews players….they say nothing as they lips keep moving. The Kings need to shoot more….and Penner needs to either step up or get out. Problem is …who wants him for $4mil+ Maybe a struggling team for future draft picks (3rd round or better). Good luck with that idea. Hopefully next game they’ll win–probably will…as QUick will be back in net and the Kings will play better in front of him. (see comments above)–it becomes a cycle of ebb and flow–one goalie in with success, the other in with no success–having little to do with the goalie and all to do with the mentality of the players.
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Rich,
The Elias line scored all 3 goals.
Did anyone ask Terry Murray if he was happy with the match-ups in last nights game?
You think Brooksie would have asked Tortorella that question?
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