For the second time in eight games, it’s the Kings against the New Jersey Devils, this time on the West Coast. You can catch the game on Fox Sports West and on 1150-AM and affiliates, and all the game updates will be here as well…
THIRD PERIOD
In goal: It’s still Bernier against Hedberg.
End of game: The Kings were shut out for the first time this season, and scored only one goal in six periods against the Devils this season. Shots were 31-23 in favor of the Kings.
SECOND PERIOD
In goal: It’s still Bernier against Hedberg.
Devils 1, Kings 0: The Devils broke the scoreless tie with 6:48 remaining in the second period. Bernier made a save but the puck stayed in the crease. Dainius Zubrus crashed the net and, as he slid into the crease, was able to direct the puck past Bernier to give the Devils a 1-0 lead.
Devils 2, Kings 0: The Devils extended their lead to two goals just over two minutes later. Forecheck pressure forced the puck away from Anze Kopitar in the defensive zone, and then the Kings got caught chasing the puck due to some nice lateral passing. Petr Sykora’s cross-ice pass found Patrick Elias in the right circle, and before Bernier could slide across, Elias shot into an open net to put New Jersey up 2-0 with 4:29 remaining in the period.
Devils 3, Kings 0: The Devils took a three-goal lead with 1:34 remaining in the period. Matt Greene’s neutral-zone turnover brought the puck back into the Kings’ zone, as Sykora found Zubrus with a pass. Zubrus shot from near the top of the right circle and cleanly beat Bernier short-side to give the Devils a 3-0 lead.
End of period: The Kings had allowed three goals, total, in only one of their first seven games, but allowed three goals in this period. Shots are 18-17 in favor of the Kings through two periods.
FIRST PERIOD
In goal: It’s the Kings’ Jonathan Bernier against the Devils’ Johan Hedberg.
End of period: The Devils outshot the Kings 10-8 in a scoreless, penalty-free period and had a couple very close calls in the final seven minutes. David Clarkson’s shot hit the post and, three minutes later, the Devils had a goal disallowed because of incidental goalie interference.
What, no Quick? When did this happen?
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tothehaters Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
@CB14, TM b4 sat game
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Jack Aubrey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
@CB14, Saturday, apparently…
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
@CB14, LOL!
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Ike Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
@CB14, Get the rope!!
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Ryan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
@CB14, i understand the need to rest quick, but not when hes on a hot streak!!! tried to listen to it from here in afghanistan, it was supposed to be on AFN but they only seem to show eastern conference games, LAME!! hoping to catch a game in jan when im on R&R
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HemetKingsFan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
@Ryan, I was at Bagram for 13 months and dont think I saw a single Kings game. That was three years ago before we made it back to the playoffs though
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Ryan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
@HemetKingsFan, just saw an advertisement for the games their showing this week, its all east coast!
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:20 am
@Ryan, Was in Kuwait for half a year and I caught one game on afn soo heavly based in the east is crazy.
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Detroit lost to winless Columbus! 4-1. Sheesh. Who’d a thunk that?!?
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Shakes Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
@Jack Aubrey,
signs of the apocalypse #125
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
@Shakes,
The other sign is Bernier is playing while Quick is sitting. The world is obviously going to end.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
@vplaza, No, but sitting a goalie who’s on a 3 game shutout streak is a sign.
Go Kings Go! (Cartman Voice)
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Game time!
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Got THAT right! GKG!
I’m radio-bound tonight, and not liking it! Listening via computer from the wilds of Montana.
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Jack Aubrey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
@Jack Aubrey, That’s not to say anything bad about Nick and Daryl. I’m just visually oriented.
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Kevin hoard Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
@Jack Aubrey, All us directv peeps may be donning the same Nov. 1
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Kevin hoard Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
@Jack Aubrey, All us directv peeps may be donning the same Nov. 1
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Shakes Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
@Jack Aubrey,
sadly the game is blacked out here in NY so i have the Devils feed on TV…but luckily streaming Nick and Daryl on the computer
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i’m getting to watch the game while I’m out of town…
Left work early to get to hotel…I’m pumped…
GKG…
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
@SLIM, Good to have you with us.
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@Jack Aubrey, Go Kings Go
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God be with us all! (um, is that ok to say, Rich?)
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Listening to the radio as well…..GKG!
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Foxie – TM wants to make sure he doesn’t hurt the confidence of Jonathan Bernier by going back on his word. Ok, but hurting the confidence of our #1 goalie who’s riding a 3 game shutout streak is OK? Also, Bernier should be able to handle a coach changing his mind and playing Quick instead because i’m sure Bernier understands you don’t pull a goalie who’s riding a 3 game shutout streak.
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Jack Aubrey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
@CB14, you’re killin’ those of us listening to radio. What did Foxie say to re-energize the goalie dispute?
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
@Jack Aubrey, He said a couple of posts like what Rich reported TM said. I wrote one in my post. “Terry Murray wants to make sure he doesn’t hurt the confidence of Jonathan Bernier by going back on his word.” He said a couple others too, but I can’t remember now, sorry.
What are Nick and Daryl saying about it?
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Jack Aubrey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@CB14, Didn’t say much that I recall. However, I’ve had a martini so there’s no guarantee.
jeff Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
@CB14, we stunk bottom line
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
@CB14, I don’t believe Quick really cares that much, I’m sure he wants to play but he is willing to give up a day to keep the team chem great.
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
@CB14,
You really think it’s about not hurting anyone’s feelings? I really doubt Quick’s feelings are hurt.
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@vplaza, Its more like bloggers getting their feelings hurt more than anyone else’s.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, How did my feelings get hurt? I’d really like to know.
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@vplaza, Jim Fox said that, not me. If you disagree with that statement, take it up with him, i’m just the messenger.
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
@CB14,
Please clarify then. Is everything you wrote what Fox said? Did he actually say that part about it being ok to hurt the feelings of our #1 goalie? I’d be surprised if he said that.
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
@vplaza, Jim said “TM wants to make sure he doesn’t hurt the confidence of Jonathan Bernier by going back on his word.”
Also, no one said “feelings”, Jim and I both said “confidence” Hope that clarifies it. Sorry for the confusion. I’ll make sure to use ” ” next time so that there’s no misunderstanding.
vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
@CB14,
I see. My mistake for saying ‘feelings’. Either way, I guess I was trying to ask that you weren’t seriously thinking that Quick’s confidence would be hurt.
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
@vplaza, No. But I don’t seriously think JB’s confidence would be hurt either if TM changed his mind after Quick’s 3rd straight shutout. I mean, how could Bernier be upset if he did that? I couldn’t.
jeff Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 8:17 am
@CB14, does it matter who you play we cant score like we should we don’t deserve to win and we wont win anything like the a Stanley cup if we are not scoring and good defense so lets face it we need to get to work on how to play like e team day and day out
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This is somehow more exciting than waiting for the puck-drop on TV. What’s up with that? I feel so, so, 1930′s.
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I’m kind of glad we have 18 other people on the ice. I’d hate to have JB out there all by himself.
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I’m lovin what Bob and Jim are saying regarding the goalie choice.
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Where the hell is the National anthem. Man! You’d think the media guys were all from India.
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I see it now. Westgarth and Janssen.
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4rth starting well.
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Jack Aubrey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
@Dominick, Nick agrees! “Fourth starting well…” after all the pressure from Westie and Lewis.
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Good shift for the 4th line
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Wow only 1 shot apiece and its halfway thru the 1st? Did I hear that right?
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
@John,
Sounds like a lot of blocked shots
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Defensive struggle, just as predicted
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Time to drop Direct TV or will they figure this out?
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Kevin hoard Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
@Darren, Dropped Dishnetwork when they dropped fox for a month last time, now I may have to drop directv and go back. You think these companies would learn that we have no loyalty if they drop channels their customers want. I read on some other blogs about NASCAR fans getting upset with Directv, I don’t think you want to mess with NASCAR.
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Sounds like a good chance for NJ, save by JB. Well done.
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Kings getting that cross ice pass through the nuetral zone going a little more, but their still using that stretch tip a little too much.
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Lots of blocked shots, both ends. Defensive struggle ain’t in it.
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Sheisse!! Just got back.. How are the Kings doing?
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2-1 shots on goal halfway through the period.
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Nice save Bernier!
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Yikes. I heard the post all the way in Montana!
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Was that JMFJ taking the Puck from kovalschmuck?
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
@vplaza, Yes it was.
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NJ with some pressure/chances.
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Whew!
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
@vplaza,
Yes indeed.. If Quick was in he would’ve karate kicked that puck away.. Lucky Bernier..JP
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Penalty on Tallinder? No?
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hair of my chinny chin chin
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I skate better than talinder
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Is it me or is the camera guy sucking tonight? He can’t pan or follow the play..
Your killing me smalls.
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I don’t understand why the fans boo Kovalchuk so much. He’s an idiot. His play is very overrated. I certainly wouldn’t have signed him and I’m glad the Kings didn’t get him.
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
@Eggplant, Its the way he treated the franchise. He admitted that he had no intentions of signing here and only wanted to show his wife the sights of L.A. plus to bump up the amount that NJ would pay.
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Eggplant Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, Oh, that makes a lot more sense. I hadn’t heard that. Thanks.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
@Eggplant, I think it had to do more with the fact that he used the Kings to get a bigger contract from NJ and to get a free trip to LA because wife had never been here. He never had any intention in coming here, yet strung us on like he did.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
@Eggplant,
You have to admit in left wing scorer terms Kovasuck is a major upgrade from Penner.. but yeah good thing we didn’t sign him. There wouldn’t be any money left to sign anyone.
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JB dodged a bullet there i think, it was one of those flips that are hard to track but it was so slow its one that any goalie should have.
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Im hoping we can hold the devils scoreless-if not Im going to throw my remote and curse the name of Terry Murray.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
@hipcheck, I already did that on the non goal. JK.
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370455vinSD Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
@hipcheck, does it matter if Bernier gets scored on as long as we win? Isn’t Quick’s record still rolling either way?
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reggie dunlop Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
@370455vinSD, excellent post… Who cares about shutout streaks, the important part is the team winning the game…
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
@370455vinSD, Yes Quick’s shutout streak is still intact.
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jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
@370455vinSD, 2 points > shutout JQ or JB does it really matter.
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David#10fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
@jenny, Who plays next game if JB gets a shutout?
Wow.. Good moves by number 10 there.
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Glad that period is over
Come on boys
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Our dmen need to one time more.. We are giving up some precious seconds for the Devils D to set.
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Boooooooooooooo! A Terry Murray special, no threat 5 on 5.
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Period 1 synopsis (stating the obvious): Sluggish. Passing not crisp. Not enough pucks reaching the net.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, Really,out of the 7 and one third games we have played,the team has only come out on fire maybe two games.Come on boys pick it up,I don’t think NJ is outplaying the Kings that much,I think the team is like you said,sluggish.
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Why does Patrick O’Neal keep saying “Hockey Fights Cancer Awareness Night”? Someone needs to tell him that the implication of that statement is that hockey is against cancer awareness. It is clearly “Cancer Awareness Night” as well as “Hockey Fights Cancer” .. but they aren’t together!
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
@indeed, LOL
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jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
@indeed, haha
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FiG17 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
@indeed,
indeed.
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
@indeed, give the guy some credit, he looked pretty emotional during that interview.
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KiNGS 4 LiFE Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
@indeed, Heidi would have said it right.
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kings not giving jb much support after the first period…other than kopi/willy/gagne, nothing really happening…brown and cliffy had some opps, but not much else…
still no goals allowed…but sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good…however, jb has been in good position on mist shots…if anything, maybe a little slow in tracking the puck at times, but looking solid…
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Is it just me or do other teams with speed seem to give us fits and, as far as our team, we are lacking some speed?
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Kenny44 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Good, Puck possession game vs weak puck management game at work tonight. NJ with a million little passes and consistent puck support until something opens up. We’re trying to make passes through sticks, not getting it deep or supporting. Not hitting, step behind. This with NJ missing 3 top forwards. Sounds like we just weren’t prepared tonight.
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This is the Terry Murray type of hockey that I have come to expect, putting you to sleep like a little baby. sure would be nice someday if we were feared 5 0n 5 like Chicago, Anaheim, Washington, and Pittsburgh.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
@puck73, would be nice, huh? Remember the offseason where TM said we have to improve 5 on 5 scoring? I do. Haven’t seen any difference his year.
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Kenny44 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
@puck73, It’s OK, this isn’t a conference game, so it’s not that big a deal.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@Kenny44, Gee, thanks for telling me that, I will make sure not to tune in anymore when the Kings play another “meaningless” game against an eastern conference opponet.
Thanx for the heads up !
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Interesting set play between Kopi and Gagne. Kopi won the draw twice and guided the puck exactly where Gagne wanted to shoot one-timer. Keep it up, boys!
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I think we struggled in the 1st especially Kopi, Gagne and Williams in our end…….com’on Kopi you are always better down low in our end, support…….
4th line is the only line without scoring opportunities against, play them
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Kings playing a heavy game. Hitting a little more that period, and out hitting them 8 to 12.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
@Dominick, Sure glad your being entertained.
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Nice of Gagne to donate four tickets to each game! Class act on and off the ice!! So glad he’s here!
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Oh, and Rich, your new “Game #” addition has caused some heart issues when all I have is this site for score updates. I’m not used to seeing it and the # is only seperated by a : nect to KINGS as if indicating our goal count. That should pass at, say, 14.
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Come on Kings, let’s have a better 2nd period. A goal post and a called back goal, get it together boys!
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Meh…
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2 takeaways by Penner in 10 seconds. Brown just missed a goal.
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WOW great job Penner and good opportunity by the 1st line.
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little more jump to start the 2nd it looks like
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Brown drew another one.
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PP, boys, let’s go!
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Lets see if Stoll’s on the point. I know KC23 loves it when that happens. LOL
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
@CB14, Yep, there he is.
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Oh, good lord. What tha…
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Bernier’s lucky tonight. NJ’s hit iron 2 times so far.
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LuckyNumber20 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
@CB14, Thats the only angle he will give em!
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Pathetic.
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Start the Fire Kompon chants!
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
@kingszzz, Fire Kompon, da da, da da da, Fire Kompon, da da, da da da, Fire Kompon.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
@kingszzz,
That last play on the PP was all Kings.. Nothing to do with Kompon
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wow, that was an awesone powerplay.
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That’s the kings pp we all know and love
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Krompton has it going tonight
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Does anyone else feel like Williams has been a little off his game lately?
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Kenny44 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@FiG17, Yeah, seems a bit fidgety with the puck, but still made a few nice plays
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And theres the pk we all love
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gettin sloppy…
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There goes the Kings shutout streak.
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PULL BERNIER!
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
@kingszzz, No.
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kingszzz Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
@kingszzz, kidding
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NO GOAL!!! damnit!
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
@tacomakingsfan, I think it was a good goal. Fox said you can’t review goalie interference.
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Mesquite Smokie Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
@CB14,
They are reviewing whether or not they prevented Bernier from being able to make the save.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
@Mesquite Smokie, No, Fox just clarified it, you can’t review any thing regarding soalie contact.
tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
@CB14,
knowing the Kings luck it’s a goal anyway. Interference or not.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
@tacomakingsfan, New Jersey’s clanged the iron 2 times tonight so we’re not having that bad of luck. With regards to video review, I agree, we never get a call to go our way.
Bench Penner. All of this is his fault. x|
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cjms Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
@Mesquite Smokie,
I guess TM listened because Richie’s up on the Brown line.
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The Kings are getting outhustled big time.
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Anyone else laughing at the shot of Penner’s broken stick? hahaha Looked like a sad puppy
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That’s on the skaters! JB getting very little help!
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Brutal shift by Voynov.
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Kevin hoard Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
@cjms, He showed is weakness that shift no scored on for sure.
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Nice rebound Bernier
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Penner just got benched
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
@PumperNicholl, Thank God
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could be 4 – nothing… Two hit pipes and 1 disallowed goal.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
@KiNGS 4 LiFE, Agreed.
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Kevco Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
@KiNGS 4 LiFE, And the kings have gotten robbed but some goaltending too
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Is this the same line up we had against the devils last time? (sorry to lazy to look)
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
@Lake Forest, I don’t think Westy played.
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Mesquite Smokie Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
@Lake Forest, DD8 was at that game too.
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Mesquite Smokie Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
@Lake Forest,
http://kings.nhl.com/club/boxscore.htm?id=2011020037
the Box Score from the game in Jersey.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
@Mesquite Smokie, Good to know my memory’s still there, thanks.
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Penner looks awful tonight. I’ve heard people up on him lately, I just don’t see it. It’s like the kid who acts up so much, that when they behave, they are treated as if they are the golden child. He plays so bad that when he has an “ok” game, people act like he’s a top six forward (or even cares).
He’s so lazy out there…
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
@Bama Kings, That’s what I have thought all season. Brown and Richards have chemistry on pp but can do nothing on their own line cuz they have to drag the slug Penner around. I think Penner will be benched next game. TM’s got to let this dead dog lie.
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Holy moly, that was just sad…
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Eldoret Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
@Eldoret,
Sad too, could of taken the lead of the division with a point tonight
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Ugly.. call a timeout.. regroup.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
@tacomakingsfan, exactly.
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omg trade benier!
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BobKnob Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
@BobKnob,
actually, that was Kopi’s fault. Kopi + Doughty for Iginla + a 3nd.
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Nice turn over by VV, and they score on it, bring back DD
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This game is a joke.
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we want quick! we want quick!
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This is not good.
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Quick definitely would not have stopped that one.
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Some beautiful passing there. Why do the Kings have so much trouble with the Devils??
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kingszzz Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
@KindSir, team speed. We always have trouble against teams with speed
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RobSD Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
@KindSir,
They beat the Devils the previous 6 games before the last two.
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This game definitely have ruined Quick’s shut out streak.. none of the goals has been on the goalie.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
@tacomakingsfan,
“would have”
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Lake Forest Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
@tacomakingsfan, agree. just like the last game bernier played. is %’s arent going to be any better now.
Still time though to come back!
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well this games over, anything good on right now?
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LAfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
@brymaster1, NCIS
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Mesquite Smokie Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
@LAfan,
NCIS LA
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Jesus, the D is just not helping.
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Goodnight Kings, Goodnight Bernier, Goodnight Murray.
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jonsey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
@puck73, Like
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
@puck73, Goodnight Little Bear, Goodnight Miss Piggy, Goodnight Elmo. I need a laugh, or a drink. sigh. Especially now. 3 nothing, WOW.
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
@puck73, just so were clear, i read that in my head in a Christopher Walken type voice.
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jonsey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
@puck73, Goodnight Never Never Land. Goodnight winning streak. Goodnight Kovalchuk, good for you beating us twice, maybe later this year we can beat you 4 times?
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Dude we could get sum great talent in exchange for bernier
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jonsey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
@David#10fan, Yeah 8.00 GAA this year and 42% SV%
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Mark Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
@David#10fan, Think NJ would consider JB + for Parise now?
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jonsey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@Mark, Shhhhhhhhhh I don’t think Ottawa or Florida know yet.
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You know things are going bad when Kopitar is stripped of the puck that bad.
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Get rid of penner too. He’s still at zero points yea?
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RYC Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
@David#10fan, Come on, he’s lighting it up with one assist.
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Everyone looks tired…maybe it wasnt time to bring back the mandatory morning skate
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Wait…..they scored while Westgarth was out there? I thought he was a deturent.
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Ike Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
@jonsey, huh?
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I don’t have a great feeling about this game. The Kings offence is just not there. Still only one game with more than two goals in regulation.
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Kings look so weak
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Wow, I was so juiced for this game. Now I’m just pissed.
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Mark Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
@Jack Aubrey, Me too!
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“you guys look like you could use a goal…” – Dustin Penner
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Wow, so 66% of you thought Murray made an intelligent decision huh? Sure am glad I am in the “Dumb” Minority.
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gmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
@puck73
im in the minority too,
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
@puck73,
LOL you’re blaming this on Bernier?
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
@tacomakingsfan, NO! On Murray, who thinks he knows more then you!
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
@puck73,
Soo.. you’re mad because he didn’t start Quick? call a timeout? I’m not psychic.
kings king Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
@tacomakingsfan, LOL Zubrus just shot it from above the top of the circle with no traffic and scored.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
@kings king,
Yeah but not all the goals were his fault.. The Kings are playing like crap.. plain and simple.
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Did you miss the 1st and 3rd goals? Bernier left a big juicy rebound on the 1st goal, and as Fox said, goalies say they are not supposed to get beat to the short side, which he did on the 3rd goal. The 2nd goal wasn’t his fault.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
@puck73, Hey, I’m DUMB too!
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
@puck73,
right there with ya puck… didnt TM say he was going to “play the hot hand” at goal before the season started? well i got news for ya coach, 180 minutes without a goal is about as hot as it gets.
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
@puck73, This is not on JB. And, if JQ was in there, there is no certainty that the skaters up front would have been anymore useful on defense.
By the looks of it, the skaters just do not have it in them for whatever reason!
There needs to be some a-chewing in the locker room for 10+ minutes of the intermission!
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, If Quick had a shutout streak going, I can assure you that the players would be giving it 100%. It’s one thing to not bring it for a game, but they wouldn’t do that if Quick had his streak going. Watch Thursday’s game and you’ll see how hard they play. I guarantee it.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
@CB14,
Lol you’re really stretching it. I enjoy some of your posts here because some are pretty logical but man are you reaching..
Vic Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@CB14, +1 I agree
Pulling a goalie to showcase him to the team you’re trying to trade him to has an effect on the morale of players.
Not sure this was TM’s call though. May have had to answer the down low DL red phone and say this was the plan since Saturday…
vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
@puck73,
Do you honestly think JB in goald made the players in front of him play like crap? That TM’s decision to sit JQ made players play poorly? JB probably should have had at least one of those saves, but the team in front of him didn’t give him any support on defense, let alone any offensive support to work with.
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Kenny44 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
@puck73, Classic TM. I’m going to play the hot hand and not worry so much about scheduling games between them. Until I change my mind because I’m just more comfortable with structure than I am with intangibles like flow and momentum. And if you challenge me on it, i’ll rationalize myself into a pretzel while sending a very clear message that this game just doesn’t count as much – it’s a non-conference game. That ought to motivate my team, unless they get into a choking situation.
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…
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And the rout is on…
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Message for TM—- CALL A DAMN TIME OUT and beat some sense into the team.
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… and im now turning this off. thanks for screwing up the chemistry by benching quick. good call coach.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@colo king fan, You said it all my friend.
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Ok, pull him know!
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Weak goal…
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@LAfan, Now
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Another 2 on 1, come on. What is Greene doing?
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Another turnover, nice way to finish the home stand boys. Glad i didn’t waste my money on this game.
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I want doughty back
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I cannot wait for Murray’s reaction.
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Eldoret Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
@kings king,
Murray is the only coach in the NHL that 1) won’t call a time out, 2) pull a goalie that’s getting LIT, and 3) admit he made a mistake. Ever. EVER!
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
@Eldoret, and 4) bench a goalie who just strung together a bunch of shut outs.
is it just me or is TM insanely arrogant in his decision making?
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
@colo king fan, oh you said “won’t”… that changes things as he will clearly do what i said.
Kenny44 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
@colo king fan, He’s got some Capt. Queeg in him. “And I proved with logic to a mathematical certainty that we do have a second goalie and he must play tonight!”
I often smell strawberries during TM pressers after we lose.
fridgemagnet57 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
@Eldoret,
I find that fairly accurate, but he’ll mention some things in hindsight and correct it the 2nd time around such as playing quick too much and not calling timeout in the playoffs.
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what the heck was Greene trying to do by carrying the puck? he has no wheels.
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FiG17 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
@BringBackKingston,
Lewis lost his stick and had to get another one, Westy was headed to the bench, and Lord knows where Clifford was. Greene had nowhere else to go.
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BringBackKingston Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
@FiG17, dump it. he should know his limitations
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
@BringBackKingston, A man’s gotta know his limitation!
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, LOL
We’re being out cajone’d.
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Penner needs to drill that guy! Good move on the demotion.
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the more things change…the more they stay the same. Same problem as the last 2 years, we just cant score goals. We depend on that defensive structure soooo much it doesnt seem to matter who we have, we cant generate any offense.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
@Phillip, But hey, remember that “defense wins championships”. Yeah right…
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Yup, this isn’t going *quite* like I wanted it to. Oh well, not that big of a deal, really.
GO KINGS!!
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That’s what happens when you pull the NHL’s best goaltender in the middle of a ridiculous hot streak.
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BobKnob Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
@Zip it!,
eh, I agree it wasn’t the right move, but we’d be getting lit up either way tonight. We just suck all over tonight.
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@Zip it!,
Yeah, and let the NHL’s best goaltender lose his shutout streak because the players decided to pack it in early. Anyone saying Quick would have won this game, ask yourself, how? Would he have scored a goal since his team couldn’t?
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Dud….
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The Kings had better start working on puck handling. It looks like all they do is hack and whack at it… Even Kopi and Williams who were so smooth with the puck at the start of the season. This has been by far the most disappointing game of the season. Bernier has been OK, the rest of the team? Awful.
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Only player showing feistiness is Richardson. That’s probably not a good sign.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
@cjms, I think it’s safe to say you can eliminate the word “probably” in your comment.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
@CB14, Yes you can, Man they look soo flat.
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cjms Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
@Andrew: the second coming,
Can’t… I’m a law student
Equivocate!
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
@Andrew: the second coming, Yeah it is pretty clear I meant you can that the probally out your orginal statement. Meaning I agree with CB14 that this game is not going to go our way. I am a business major, I don’t mislead people;).
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
@Andrew: the second coming, can take* not can that, lol.
KindSir Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
@cjms, I don’t think Richardson ever takes a shift off. Love that guy
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Kenny44 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
@KindSir, Like a wild dog. Lot of snarl
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I can understand TM’s decision to play Bernier tonight. I just think there’s something to be said for angering the Hockey Gods when you screw with the balance of the hockey universe. Bad hockey karma is biting us in the ass now!
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Well damn, Why does it look like we have played three games in three straight days? We look so slow.
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Haha. I’m glad Quick didn’t get call for this game. TM is genius. There is no way even Quick can shut em down with the awful defensive coverage like this.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
@goldielocks, You never (mess) with a winning streak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeVca9MwDX8 last 20 seconds of clip.
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jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
@CB14, Poorly played defense is not the goaltenders fault, or the coaches fault. Maybe we should hold the forwards and defenseman on the ice responsible for their bad play. I agree with goldielocks on this one.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
@jenny, I know right? If they just would’ve played better defense, the Kings could have won 0-0.
goldielocks Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
@CB14,
Assuming Quick got start for this game, with first one by BS call and second one Kopi turned the puck over, even he can’t control these kinds of things, and his streak has been already snapped.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
@goldielocks, The first one happened AFTER Bernier gave out a big rebound to the other side. The goal was legit, there was no way Bernier would have been able to reach back and snare that puck. The second goal wasn’t his fault. The 3rd goal was at the top of the circle, Bernier was set, and it beat him short side, even Fox said that goalies will tell you they should stop that one.
I never mentioned Quick’s shutout streak in response to your comment.
It’s obvious the Kings skaters aren’t into the game tonight, but here’s the thing. That wouldn’t happen if Quick still had his streak going, they know how much it means to him and would give 100%. Just watch in Thursday’s game, the Kings will give maximum effort, guaranteed.
jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
@goldielocks, Maybe if the tooth fairy were in attendance it would have changed things.or if JC was in net instead. or if weren’t a word used to try to state facts lol.
goldielocks Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@CB14
So you’re basically saying they let Bernier down. They down played because their goalie was backup. Is that it? Wow … such pro they are.
major TM fail tonight
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I was thinking of flying from Ottawa for this game. Good choice on my part by staying home.
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Like Buffalo game, where Bernier got 4, 3 goals in second period
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The boss gambled and lost. Curious decision making.
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kings look slow
team lacks offence
richards 1 goal
penner 0 goals
williams very few shots
parse needs to be given an extended opportunity
loktionov may need to replace lewis
doughty is huge loss as the team looks plodding without him in the lineup
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Chucker Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
@rmartin1951, I would like to see Parse and Loktionov in the lineup for sure…I was hoping for that all off season and preseason. Scott Parse is almost like the Tim Tebow of hockey in this forum lol
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KindSir Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@rmartin1951,
Enough with Parse, he’s had his shot
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hey look at it this way. quick still has a shut out streak! CHA CHA CHA..>GO KINGS GO!
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okay so the fingers pointed at Bernier but yet in the last 100 minutes we’ve only scored 1 goal.. anybody see the bigger problem?
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okay so the fingers pointed at Bernier but yet in the last 100 minutes we’ve only scored 1 goal.. anybody see the bigger problem?
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
@MyKay, That would be Terry Murray’s offense. Did I win?
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RYC Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
@CB14, It has been consistent over the last few years hasn’t it?
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
@RYC, Yes it has.
colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
@RYC, all too
PP Anybody? Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
@MyKay, Apparentlly only defense wins championships. At least that’s what is printed on this package of Koolaid mix I have.
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post game will be PRICELESS
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Stuart Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
@xeropoint, well, we didn’t play with a shot mentality… we didn’t play a heavy 60-minute game… yadda-yadda-yoda
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
@Stuart, TM didn’t coach with a “logic” mentality.
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wow this game is making me upset..We get players that can score and yet we still not scoring goals..Really??
Okay i give them 15 games and they played already 5 already and 20 mins of this game so far and they average is 2 goals Come on………so they got 9 more games ot get their butt to score more games.
Not going to watch last year season all over again that cant score more than one goal..Yea too early to tell but am tired of this Defense style they need to pick it up the best Defense is being in their own zone and the Kings 90% always in their own Zone are they getting tired of that??
Bernier not the fault of this but still he always starting off slow and then becoming great at the middle perfect time i guess but still..Quick once again carrying this team.I think Quick is tired of it.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
@KingsFanFTW, exactly what you said.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@PP Anybody?, to tell u the truth i dont know what i was saying.LMAO!!
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This is sad…Devils so a Disciplined team..
All their passes are connecting and they have the jump on us..
What bothers is we have the talent and their completely out of sync tonight…
Otherwise..GKG…..
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terrible game all around. Passes aren’t connecting, shots are not getting through, getting out-physicaled, when a glorious chance does rear its head, Moose makes the save…
I was actually looking forward to the PP we got but what a let down that was too…
Oh well, non-conference game, our back-up’s in there for a reason, reason being TM is a man of word… I can see TM in the post-game:
random journalist – “TM, why’d you stick with your decision even after JQ threw up another goose-egg on Saturday?”
TM – “All I have in this world is my b@lls, and my word, and I don’t break ‘em for no one, you understand?”"
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
@Stuart, LMAO !
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Wow, so much for the momentum and the scoreless streak. Gracias TM.
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
@puck73, nice to know someone else sees it the way i do. its a total chemistry issue… you dont stir the pot when youre winning, you rinse repeat until it stops working… then you go with the back up.
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Question: So what does the rest of the team think about sitting a goalie who is on fire? Nothing against Bernie at all, but it’s got to screw with your head knowing the guy you BELIEVE is going to stop everything is on the pine. Hmmmmm
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Stuart Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
@IceGuy, I really don’t think it hurts the rest of the teams mentality, if anything it secures the notion that JQ is thee numero uno on this club!
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Thanks TM. Imagine how good the kings could be with a decent coach. I just LOVE the Penner Stoll Westgarth line. WTF is that Murray?
And thanks TM for putting Bernier in this position. His confidence is now shot, and you are going to have to play Quick a ton more now anyhow.
Brilliant.
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Stuart Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
@winger23, yeah, I do think JB is rattled and his confidence, shaky to say the least…
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BobKnob Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
@Stuart,
He’s a goalie, I’m sure this isn’t the first time he’s been lit up. I think he’ll get over it.
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Alton Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
@winger23,
Exactly…..what happenned to the hot (Quick) hand Terry???
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winger23 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
@Alton,
I got reamed on here pointing out this crap yesterday. But hey, what do i know. I’m not a coach in the NHL. I assure you anyone on this board could coach as good as TM.
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This game is not Bernier’s fault people. Stop blaming him since we can’t even score any goals. You can’t win games when you can’t score any. The blame is the whole team and mostly Murray who has no idea how to manage his own forwards and get them going.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
@Marbles,
Don’t even try putting logic into these boards. It’s not worth it sometimes.
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Alton Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
@tacomakingsfan, exactly, not Bernie’s fault
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Lol too funny.. People are blaming this all on Bernier. Sure he has let in some juicy rebounds but look at the play prior to the shots.. Our Dmen hasn’t been quite stellar. I don’t care if Quick has a 20 game shut out streak because even if he was in this game we would still lose. Look at the brighter picture people and stop being so emotional about what if what if..
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winger23 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
@tacomakingsfan,
No one is blaming it on Bernier. This is TM’s mess, not his. However, I promise you JB is not going to be the same goalie we saw last year. They already are messing with his head.
No offense and a horrible head coach. Not a good combination.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
@winger23,
You might want to look at some earlier posts during the meltdown and you’ll see why I posted this.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Most teams have a fragile mind set. You dont do something like not start a goalie that has 3 shutouts in a row. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
@puck73,
Lol Fragile? These guys are paid professionals with paid team psychologists.. I’m pretty sure they’re not that fragile.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@tacomakingsfan, There human beings just like you, and you would be surprised how they can react.
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
@tacomakingsfan, I know I would feel alot more confident in a goalie that has three great games in a row. Also it is a bad situation to put JB in, Honestly Jb could have lost 1-0 and everyone would have said well JQ most likey get that. Its hard to have that pressure. Not only on the goalie but the whole team. With Jb they seem to press and try to make the perfect play, they don’t let the game come to them. They have alot more “swagger” with JQ for some reason. I have no doubt that they will find it with JB as well.
Everybody, relax.
First, the game is not over, a comeback not out of the question (i.e. Dallas).
Second, if the Kings lose, no big deal. 5-1-1. Enough said.
Detroit, anyone?
There you go.
Relax.
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winger23 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
@Dom,
5-2-1 now. Doesn’t look at good.
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Dom Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
@winger23, wanna trade with Winnipeg? Columbus? Hell, the Sharks?
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This seems to have all the markings of a trap game.
Devils’ offense ranked 29th; Devils minus some players in the line-up; Dallas next up on the sked; Just coming off an emotional game vs. Dallas; Last game of a homestand with a trip vs. conference opponents looming.
If the Kings don’t snap out of it and score a goal within the 1st 5 minutes, they may mail it in and chalk this one as a bad loss with the usual explanations during the post-game interviews.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, You forgot; Head Coach decided it was better to play his back-up goalie against an Eastern Conference team so that his starter can be fresh against a Western Conference team. Basically saying this game isn’t as important as Thursday’s game.
And my response had nothing to do with Quick vs Bernier. Just using a back-up and saying it’s not as important because it’s against the East.
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Kenny44 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
@CB14, Exactly. Why would a coach EVER say such a thing? He can think it all he wants, but TM repeated it like a mantra since the decision was announced. The only game that matters is the next one. Look past that as a player and bad things happen.
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I think we’d all agree that this isn’t Bernie’s fault. There’s really no one helping in front of him.
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Anyone notice Johnson is not a minus in this game? He is improving big time in the defensive zone. He looks really strong so far.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
@Marbles, He would be the only one.
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goldielocks Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
@Marbles,
Even in the game like this JJ was dynamic. I actually got goose bumps when he took the puck himself with full speed and attacked the net.
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How uncomposed was Kompon on that interview haha
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get ready for the come back….4 goals in 10 minutes!
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Like I said…..the toughest ones to win are the ones you’re supposed to win.
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At this point might as well go for broke. Go down swinging who cares if you lose 5-0 at least you went down swinging.
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Wow,who is this team? TM did not have this team ready,the team didn’t show up,JB gave up a “HUGE” rebound and should of had that long distance shot.I’ve been trying to give Penner some leeway,but he should be on the fourth line,and Williams should stop over stick handling.
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@Stuart, someone needs to make a life-sized terry murray stress doll.. you can punch it, choke it, yell at it til your blue in the face… maybe we could incorporate some TM catch phrases in too… you know like: “we didnt play 60 minutes” “shot mentality” “we had some skating going” then you punch the dummy until you forget about the game.
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
@colo king fan, the @stuart part didnt belong in there
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Stuart Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
@colo king fan, maybe not at me, but I’d be first in line to buy one!
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
@Stuart, I’d have to get 2.. one for the regular season and one for the playoffs.
Stuart Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
@colo king fan, who are we kidding, one would not survive the regular season… we’d have to buy bulk.
Kenny44 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
@Colo King Fan. The playoff model is smaller and shrinks over time.
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
@colo king fan, Could you make a Kompon one too?
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Stuart Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
@CB14, it’ll be the small one in TM’s back-pocket…
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
@CB14, in all honesty, it should probably be a set.. should probably make a dustin penner one too.
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i guess the sky appears to be falling for some of yoots out there…
the way the kings have played up to this point, it wouldn’t matter if both goalies were in net…
y’know, there are 74 games left…
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winger23 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
@variable,
I wonder if the Kings will score more than 74 goals in the remaining 74 games…..
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Dom Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
@variable, thank you. One more who’s not an emotional nut out there….. thanks!
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kings king Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
@variable, one game at a time. the sky IS falling in this one.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
@variable, Terry Murray messed with something that wasnt broke. Ya know what it reminds me of? The Manager in baseball who pulls a pitcher after 7 innings because he has thrown 100 pitches, even though he hasnt given up a run. Its called micromanaging.
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
@puck73,
i’m not gonna deny it wasn’t a surprising, curious call by tm…
but…
it shouldn’t have this much onus on the way the team has played…
i guarantee that jb is not the reason for why the kings are playing the way they are at this point…
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@variable,
Thank you a voice of reason.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
@tacomakingsfan, I still love your name lmao.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
@Andrew: the second coming,
I know… Taco Making? Lol I nearly died laughing when someone pointed that out!
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
@Andrew: the second coming, Lol it toook me some time to get what it actually was lol
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
@variable, You’re right that there’s no way Quick would’ve stopped the 2nd goal. I mentioned this somewhere else, but will do so again because you’re very knowledgeable and I think you’ll agree with it. The Kings wouldn’t come out flat and played as badly as they have had Quick been playing. They know what the shutout streak means to him and no one would give any less than 100%. I think we’ll see that on Thursday.
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winger23 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
@CB14,
1000% agree. I mentioned this below prior to seeing your post.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
@winger23, We mentioned it at the exact same time, jinx.
tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
@CB14,
Get over it. This is a team sport. It takes everyone to work as one unit to get a win sometimes. So you’re assuming that because Quick did not start they won’t play as hard to win? Wow. Sorry no offense CB14… but I’m glad you weren’t with me in Iraq fighting. That mentality gets you killed.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Yes, that’s what I’m saying. No offense taken. They’re not in the military, they’re professional athletes. They’ve been known to take a night off every once in awhile. Just look at all the letdown games the Kings have had the past few years. Remember last year against St. Louis? It was right after the Kings had a 3-0 road trip, they came home, thought they would dominate a lesser team, and got blown out and booed off the ice after the second period. It happens. Look at this game. Coming off a 4 game winning streak, playing a crappy team from the East, and came out flat. That wouldn’t have happened had they had Quicks streak at stake. It just wouldn’t.
BTW, Thank you for your military service.
tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
@CB14
That’s the problem though. They get paid like professionals so they should come to the game playing as such. It shouldn’t matter who is in net. The goal coming to every game is winning. If people would step back a little and look how everything went they would see this was a TEAM LOSS. We got shut out… that’s on the offense.. They scored 3 goals on us… that’s both defense and goalie. All I’m saying is that people need to look at these things in an objective point of view and not subjectively.
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
@tacomakingsfan, You’re absolutely right, they should, but unfortunately they don’t. The decision to sit Quick impacted the whole team. Bernier wasn’t to blame for the loss, but the decision to play Bernier was IMO. Like I pointed out earlier, this had the making of a letdown game. NJ stinks, the Kings were on fire, and to top it off the Head Coach comes out and indirectly says that this game isn’t as important as this weekends games by resting Quick. That decision influenced the other players IMO. We’ll see just how well the skaters play when Quick’s streak is at stake in Thursday’s game, unless of course he’s not playing
3-0….hmmmmmm…..oh yeah, Quick’s record BEFORE Terry Murray dumped him for Bernier. At least now we know Bernier is not a good stand in and The Kings lost for no reason. At least Quick has a chance to come in cold to try to keep HIS record going.
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
@jonsey, although i agree with you in that TM shouldnt have benched quick.. this ***whoopin is far from berniers fault.. well, the third goal was on him. the first two were far from though. i just cant agree with benching a hot goalie.. given the schedule over the next week theres plenty of opportunities to get JB some minutes.. hell start him Sunday at Colorado, I’d love to see Bernier play for once.
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LOL man thank god Kovalchuck shot that into JBs pad.
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wow Penner’s pass missed by about 6 feet…I think Scott Parse would’ve made that pass
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We changed our dump and chase, too half board blocked shots
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@BobKnob, I don’t like the decision to play JB either. But Kings have been beat in all areas tonight by a fired up NJ.
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BobKnob Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@Mark,
I’m not sure which post of mine you’re replying to, but I agree. NJ is sharp tonight and started the game with a smothering forecheck.
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Chucker Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
@Mark, I’m pretty sure NJ was fired up that Quick wasn’t starting lol
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billanthony Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
@Chucker, They already beat Quick a couple of weeks ago.
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This is just an awful game. My god we’re bad today. Thank god it’s a long season.
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The way this is going, we’ll be able to say that the Kings have been a part of 4 shut out games in a row
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jonsey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@Eldoret, Hahahaha, no kidding, but Quick hasn’t been scored on in 4 games now!
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So far Richards is invisible. Penner just stinks.
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jonsey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
@Mark, Doesn’t Greene play for OUR side?
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I think half of you guys are missing something. Quick starts this game, and the boys are going to be sharper, trying to do everything they can to extend his streak. These breakdowns wouldn’t be occurring. They know JB is starting, TM doesnt consider this game as important as Thursdays, so they have a let down.
Kings need to move away from TM, I just dont see it happening.
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jonsey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
@winger23, He got us 90+ wins these last two years. I’ll go with him for now. A breakdown like last year’s 10 game losing streak and he is out.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
@winger23, That’s exactly what I’ve been saying.
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
@winger23,
i think you might want to check yr own cupboard….
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winger23 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
@variable,
For what? My cupboard is kind of like the kings offense this year. Nothing to see.
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
@winger23,
there’s just no way that i can believe that any one kings player felt a letdown and are not as sharp because bernier is in there…
i just think if that’s what yr trying to say, it’s an askew p.o.v…
colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
@winger23, in all honesty, they probably would have fell apart after the first goal given up if quick was in net too… shutouts are a team accomplishment, and after a streak like that ends its easy for the wheels to come off. that being said, i still disagree with murrays decision to bench quick.. just doesnt make sense to me to bench a hot goalie.
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
@winger23, Even more so if you say you are going to ride the hot hand?
billanthony Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
@winger23, Individual “streaks” should be the last thing on any team’s mind.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
@billanthony, It was a team streak as well. Winning streaks are a team thing too. Who do you think had a better chance to win JQ or JB?
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y’know the saying about yr goalie playing well enough to give you a chance to win…?
well, i guarantee that there isn’t one kings player out there that thinks they have given their goaltender a chance to win…
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
@variable, I’ll definatly agree with that.
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jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
@variable, OMG you saw the same game I did. I wonder what other kings game is on that I missed.Was it true Terry Murray played the other positions along with JB on the other game. I can’t seem to find that game anywhere and I’m looking on every channel.
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Bring back Ersberg!
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jonsey Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
@HemetKingsFan, Or Barry Brust
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I. Hate. Dustin. Penner. That last shot was soft and at the logo. Everything this guy does is heartless.
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@HemetKingsFan, Or Fukufuji
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TV can be deceptive and I dont see anyone playing well. But Penner just seems like he is mailing it in, feel like its JR all over again.
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That’s why we’re losing. Damn Bieber is there. Someone needs to kick his butt out of there.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
@CB14, You should’nt hit little girls,what’s wrong with you!!,shame,shame on you.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
@CB14, her*
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Well, they just showed the problem. Blame Bieber!
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Klownchez Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
@tabiduh, Bailey needs to get that dang hat back with a quickness. There are no coincidences.
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A Leafs fan that shows up with a Blackhawk hat in a Kings game. What a poser.
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Penner is still a Duck… At heart
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tell me why again Penner is on the second line?
When is Brown going to start playing?
why isn’t the first line our first PP unit?
What game is Terry Murray watching?
Why does Jamie Kompon still have a job?
I WANT ANSWERS !!!
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
@CTD, Do you want answers?
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, I want the truth!
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
@CB14, you cant handle the truth.
miracle.on.manchester Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
@miracle.on.manchester,
colo king with the score.
assists:
CB 14
and
miracle.on.manchester
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colo king fan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, glad to see someone associated with the Kings got on the scoresheet tonight.. i just wish it could have been someone in a uniform rather than some dude bummin around on his computer 1200 miles away, but hey, ill take it!
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
@miracle.on.manchester and colo king fan, we all need a good laugh after this one.
Ha ha ha ha!
The one good thing about not being in LA anymore and cheap enough to not get Center Ice … I only get the random update on the NHL network.
It’s gonna blow here for the next few days so see you all Thursday!
Can’t win em all, and fire everyone!! Trade Everyone!! Bench Everyone!!
Fire Murray!!
GKG!
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BobKnob Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
@Token,
haha
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KiNGS 4 LiFE Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
@BobKnob, lofl
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King Alex Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
@Token, Now that is funny. Take care Token & see you when the bloodbath & sacrifices are over!
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Doesn’t matter who’s in net if the entire team is sleepwalking. No passion, no energy, no urgency. Kings are taking the night off plain and simple.
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“he was my favorite singer until he came in here with that blackhawks hat” -bob miller
cracked me up haha
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The Team like last year needto seriously work on receiving a pass. It is difficult for them
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Man.. if Quick was in net.. ummm we surely could have tied this up!
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
@tacomakingsfan, When people are blaming Bernier, they’re really blaming Murray. They’re also blaming Murray for the offense.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
@CB14,
hmmmm…. I don’t blame Murray on this one for the Bernier issue. We did have our chances but it just didn’t go our way. On issues relating on our offensive scheme.. well yeah I blame Murray. I believe he just emphasizes on Defense way too much.. This is a prime example where Defense really needs to rely on Offense to get it going. If Murray can balance the two then we would surely be SC contenders. Until then… I think we are still close but not yet there.
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we are chasing our own passes…..
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All I can hope is that this is a one game stink show and it doesn’t send us into an extended slide…..
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At least Berniers seeing a shutout tonight. Ziiiiiiiiing!
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
@Dominick,
And drum roll… it’s a reverse shut out??
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
@Dominick,
good one…(!)
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Westy should of at least danced with Janssens.
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Kings have scored 1 goal in the last 7 periods. Love our new high powered offense
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gmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
@Otto Ped,
i blame MURRAY for our lack of offense,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,better score more than hmmmmmm 0 or 1 goals next game against dallas
go kings go
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Pesus Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@Otto Ped,
You must of forgot that TM is still the coach, dont feel bad I got excited for a while too. We should know better by now
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I hate when a team accepts the loss 20 minutes before the game is even over…
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Murray over thought this goalie thing. Should have stuck with his “ride the hot hand.” Very dumb to set yourself up for criticism. Defies all logic.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
@Gboi,
Well if Bernier got some real goalie lessons from Hextall he could’ve scored a goal by now.
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@Lvhatrick,
Forgive us for being pissed off about a piss poor performance against a sub .500 team who’s battling injuries with a back up goalie. What were we thinking for expecting the Kings to at least compete?
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
@winger23, Very true.
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@Lvhatrick,
Agreed!!! I mean we just won 4 in a row. It’s hasn’t even been 10 games . Your not going to win every game guys. There will be more nights like this probably when they just don’t have it……they only thing that I would be concerned with is the offense the past couple of games, but again give it some time before we come to all the conclusions
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Lvhatrick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Weird but was my post pulled for some reason? I see replies but not my post.
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Pesus Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
@E-Dog,
How long do we have to wait? Its the same ol same ol with TM’s offence.
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Lame, Dallas tied it up with 1:01 left and just won in the Shootout.
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Ive said it before. We do not play the same strong defense we play when Bernie is in net. we play horrible defense with him
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
@Caleb C, offense seems to be the main problem at the moment.
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Caleb C Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
@Dominick, it feeds the same though. our poor D leads to momentum for them
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Not blaming Bernie for this one by any means, but it would have been interesting to peek into an alternate dimension and see what would have happened if Quick was in net. Would the team have played with more confidence? Would be a shame if the goaltending is going to be a distraction in that way as the season rolls on
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
@Klownchez, Yes they would have.
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Klownchez Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
@CB14, Sadly, I agree
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billanthony Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
@Klownchez, If that’s the case then they failed Bernier tonight as teammates.
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Klownchez Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
@billanthony, ever sadder, I agree there as well. Only time will tell if these two poor performances in front of Bernie are flukes, but suffice to say that a third and fourth would be pretty hard to swallow as coincidence and that’s an issue that’ll need to be addressed
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Next game
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This team is fully capable of making creative offensive plays and make the nice stick to stick passes while still playing good defense. The Blues game was a perfect example of that. Why then are we forced to watch this mind numbing conservative offensive approach game after game? This team has offensively skilled players, please let them create chances Terry Murray. I have a feeling if TM doesn’t change his ways to fit the skill set of this team, its bye bye Murray after the season.
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Stanley in LA--2012 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
@klong, Hopefully DL recognizes the need before another lost season.
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pathetic effort tonite…. no fire at all, the only guy that I would not berate after tonites game is Jack Johnson, everyone else mailed it in and should be docked a nights pay for lumping around the ice
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Oh no. We suck again. Trade and fire everyone!!
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CTD Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
@Sebastian,
hahahahahahah except quick
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
@CTD, and DD, Parse, Hunter, and Whiskey.
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CTD Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
@Dominick,
I would trade drewiski for a bag of pucks and a pack of smokes… Parse? um yeah keep him, he makes penner look like gretzky…
keep hunter I guess, and we are married to DD for 8 years so he better take the norris at leats 4 of those 8
gmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
@Sebastian,
oh no no dont trade and fire everyone…..just fired the coach and actually hire one that can actually come up with some creative offense………we have of this talent and tm just likes to waste it
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C’mon guys… there have been plenty of good plays by the Kings tonight. There was one time where… well, remember earlier when they… um… yea, goodnight!
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Not going to say anything about Terry Murray other than to paraphrase Crash Davis: “Never fool with a winning streak.”
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gmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
@KingMe20,
AMEN TO THAT
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DB’s worst game also
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
@Lake Forest, Agree.
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CTD Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
@Lake Forest,
Brown is playing like he had another kid… congrats if he did, but boy does he got soft after his kids are born.
Penner wasn’t any better, he skates like he has a piano on his back. im sure people are gonna jump on and blast me because he had a shot on goal tonite.
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Tomarrows practice schedule: passing,skating,passing,defence and lot’s of skating,oh and have Stoll and Brown shoot on goal,after they are finished with their skating and passing.Oh and put Parse in for Penner.
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Brutal night. TM has ripped my heart out yet again.
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Bummer game! Such a let down. I hate being on the wrong end of a shutout. Hope the Kings bounce back next game. Positive thoughts people, it’s just one game.
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crap game. move on
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I hate it how the Kings forwards clump together in the offensive zone. I understand that they want to “retrieve” the puck, but every other team that’s worth a damn is able to make it happen in the offensive zone. This just sucked tonight, I’m so pissed I hope the ice melts.
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How fitting another shutout
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Nice shutout. Glad I did not pay money to watch this debacle unfold “live”. Nonetheless, I am really pissed off at TM for putting Bernier in for Quick when he did not have to. Murray claims he HAD to play Bernier. Really? Well, okay coach, he’s played a game. But it looks like you’ve also put the breaks on a nice little winning streak, watched some of that winning chemistry and confidence of your team evaporate, and all that before sending the team out on the road. Nicely done.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
@InTheCrease, Excellent take, my feelings as well.
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Steve W Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
@puck73, They would have lost even with Quick.The team played terrible.The only difference is that Quick’s shutout streak would have lasted another 30-34 minutes or so.
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Doughty back, Quick back, good things to come
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408kingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
@408kingsfan, Oh and I’m off moderation.
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
@408kingsfan, Looking forward to it. Hopefully Quick hasn’t cooled off by then.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
@408kingsfan,
Yep, this was just one game.
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Guys looked a step behind all night..maybe a road trip is in order. Shake it off, learn from it and find a way to get better.
Good game by the Devils looked sharp tonight all around.
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I don’t care who is in net, or who the coach is when a team plays that poorly, and turns the puck over that much they deserve to loose. Accountability is the responsibility of every player on the ice, and they flat failed to play well or with good fundamentals.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
@jenny, So the coaches don’t need to take any responsibility then? I’m not blaming this game entirely on TM, but he does deserve blame too. Everyone does, the Coaches aren’t exempt from critisism.
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
@jenny,
exact-o-mundo…
you got da’ flava’…(!)
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for those of you looking for answers regarding this game, number 8, may i be so bold as to suggest a fine bourbon or scotch and take celebration in knowing that there will be a game 9…and 73 after that…for us to distance ourselves from this loss…
once again, we could have had both goalies in there tonight, it wouldn’t have mattered…
the kings players simply did not give their goaltender a chance to win…period…
so you can thank the players for getting tm off-the-hook of his curious decision…:…it had no bearing on the outcome of this game…
if yr on the ridiculous soapbox that the kings players felt a letdown or less motivation to play a good game because jb was in there, then perhaps sports psychologist should not be reserved for only athletes…
but…there, there…
it’s gonna be aw-ite…
don’t live and die with yr home teams…
live and endure…
we want you alive and well when we raise the cup…(!)
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Poor game. I would give Richardson a top 6 chance instead of Penner…
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rick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@outsider, Richardson was invisible tonight. Penner should be a third liner in my view, but we ain’t got no one to replace him. TM used Clifford with Richards and Brown in the 3rd period. You go out and get a guy like Richards, and then give him Kyle Clifford as his wing???
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Well.. you can’t win them all.. Time to start a new winning streak Thursday!
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Simply put the Kings just didn’t show up tonight. You would think you Kovalbucks in the building they would have some energy but there was nothing there. Perfect night for Westgarth to throw and he doesn’t.
Now that we lost a game maybe TM and company will take a look at this stagnant offense. I’m not sure there were more than 2-3 really good scoring opportunities. And if I remember right they only generated one power play. There has to be more offense if the Kings want to be an elite team.
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gmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
@Dave,
for the KINGS to show more offense and be an elite team they have to get rid of TM & TAMPON
GO KINGS GO
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Hockeysureshot Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
@Dave, Give the Devils credit. They were strong tonight.
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Dave Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
@Hockeysureshot, i didn’t think NJ was particularly good. they only had a few good scoring chances and they capitalized on them. the Kings haven’t generated any real offense all year other than the St. Louis game and a few nice plays by Kopitar. they still aren’t scoring at all 5 on 5.
time to shake up the first line in my opinion. move Gagne down and Penner up and see if there is any chemistry there. not that Penner has been great but i think you have to move guys around to see if something else clicks.
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
@Dave,
TM: I hate offense!
I hate offensive creativity!
In my day, we scored one or zero goals and we liked it!
None of this fancy, smancy high-scoring games that might win you games when your goalie gives up 3 goals. That’s not how we did it in my day!
We won games 2-1 or 1-0 and we liked it!
Now, you kids go somewhere else and score your goals…and get out my yard!
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, Lmao. Epic.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, It’s, “Get off my lawn!”
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Whether you love or hate Murray, you’ve got to admit mentions of a Jack Adams is a joke. Getting a team that is considered highly by most prognosticators to play just well enough, just below potential is not Adams-worthy. It just pisses me off when T. Murray is mentioned. This trophy belongs to the Trotz, Tippetts and Carlyles who get their team well-prepared, can maximize the line-up they have and can get their team to perform above expectations. Lindy Ruff fits too.
This is not about putting Bernier in either…
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In a night that didnt see a lot of things for us to cheer about it first I would like to give a hearty round of applause for Steve Raboin and his magnificent appearance tonight on the broadcast along side of old what his name. If you havent went and registered and BetheMatch.Org….where the hell have you been?
As far as the game and this isnt anything shocking but what the hell was TM thinking? Ive criticizes TM for a lot of things in that past-and this is another one of them. To be specific Ive criticized him for not knowing when to take a time out and not knowing how to strategically play his goalie. So while other coaches will pull the goalie to send a message to the team when the chips are down-TM decides to make a goalie change when the team is setting a record for not allowing goals? When the team has the utmost faith in Quick and momentum is at an all time high he decides this is the time to play Bernier? Sorry-we can make all sorts of justifications on why it was a good decision but when Jim and Bob bring the topic up to start the show you know you are on shaky ground. Just another one of TeMus many baffling decisions for which he rightly deserves to be criticized.
As far as the game went it was a sloppy game on the Kings part and it may simply be a case of the Devils being one of those teams that matches well against them. And I also have to say Peter DeBoer looks like the offspring of Jacques Lemaire and Lou Lamoriello. Not making a joke-his mannerisms scream NJ Devils.
On the first NJ goal we saw the Kings line of Stoll, Penner, & Westgarth and upon further review Westgarth clearly was out of position. At first I actually thought Westgarth was going for a line change until I see him beeline back to cover the point. Egads.
At this point the Kings were clearly and visibly rattled. We could all see it. Well everyone except the guy who has control and the final call on making use of those silly little things called Time Outs. Once again it begs the question of “Why Now”??
Sure its early in the season but I just dont know of any other coach who make that call to bench the NHL Star of the Week at the point in the season. Its not as if Quick had played 20 games in a row. Hedberg has played every game for the Devils since Brodeur went down including a back to back not 3 days ago.
For the Record and once again nothing revolutionary but Penner is looking like a colossal bust and then some. I did predict he’d screw the pooch the first half of the season and then catch fire just in time to be attractive as a UFA and rejoin the Anaheim Ducks next season so thats still TBD.
All in all…a baffling move from a coach who Ive insisted could have and should have gotten more from the Roster he has been given. Case in Point-The Phoenix Coyotes and the Ducks both finished ahead of us in points last season. Phoenix? I mean Really? And losses to NJ who is currently 11th in the East?
So to summarize- we had a team firing on all cylinders with a goalie breaking the Franchise Record and a coach who decides at game the 8th game of the season its time to roll the dice? Now granted the Kings have only scored 3 goals in the last 2 games but really-out of all the head scratching decisions TM has made the may have taken the cake.
As always…look forward to your thoughts.
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gmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
@hipcheck,
great post ………………..i kinda agree with yoiu about penner………ive been a penner supporter and have defended him and tried to give him the benefit of the doubt…….but boy oh boy he is making me eat my words
go kings go
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Stanley in LA--2012 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
@hipcheck, I honestly think coaching will keep this team from the next step. We need a coach who wants to win more than be right. I don’t necessarily mean the Bernier decision. How often is this team unprepared for the start of a game, period, or shift? And when a game is unraveling, how often have you seen a brilliant change by the coach? If the team just hovers around the 6-8 spot in the conference the whole season, when does DL finally say enough?
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
@hipcheck, Agree,I’m scratching my noggin right now.
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Lvhatrick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Maybe you should be the coach, clearly a coach that has had a very sucessful career in the most elite hockey league on the planet has nothing on any of the critics on this board….
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gmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
@hipcheck,
great post
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
@hipcheck,
Wow you really really really really write a lot.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
@hipcheck, Totally agree. I hope Tm gets blasted nationally, he deservres it.
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Stanley in LA--2012 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@puck73, He coaches LA. He won’t get blasted and we’ll make excuses for him.
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Dave Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@hipcheck, i have absolutely no problem playing Bernier tonight. lots of games this month against the West, this game was against an Eastern team and Bernier hadn’t seen the ice in 17 days. TM made the mistake in previous years playing Quick too much and he wore down. every point in important and i get that, but i’d rather miss out on points now than have a tired Quick later in the season and in the playoffs.
i think there could have been a timeout after the first goal but remember that there was a review on that goal so there was a break there where TM could have talked to the team. i don’t know if he did but that could be a reason not to take a timeout there.
i still think TM needs to let the top 6 use their skill and be more creative. and i wonder why he didn’t put the Kopitar line out against the Parise line more. seems like it was the Richards line there. Parise isn’t used to playing center and Kovalchuk rarely crosses his own blue line, so why not put your #1 line out against that line?
i’m not a huge TM fan by any stretch and i think there are some questions that can be raised, but i don’t agree on second-guessing him on Bernier. i imagine Quick will see at least two of the next three and maybe all three if he continues to play well.
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I am really starting to worry about our lack of scoring. No goals tonight, 1 goal Saturday. This team has a lot of maturing to do to even think of a deap playoff run. The effort displayed tonight is completely unacceptable & not worthy of a true cup contending team. We have plenty of talent. it’s time for a gut check & for every player to ask themselves if the time is now. If indeed the time is now, they all better learn to leave it all on the ice every game & not mail in stinkers like this. I can accept losing but we should not have to accept lack of effort. Now let’s get it together, move on & get ready for the next game! GO KINGS GO!
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I have no problems with the Kings losing, or playing a bad game. It’s going to happen. I simply am curious to know why they collectively chose not to compete. Your getting pounded 3-0 at home, and there is absolutely no reaction from anyone? What is the use of having all this sandpaper like Clifford, Moreau, Westgarth in our lineup if they aren’t even willing to do their job?
It’s not losing that’s the problem, it’s being ok with it, and tonight we looked just fine with it. The good teams are not fine with losing, the good teams bring heart every night win or lose, and sometimes I wonder why Dustin Brown has any letters other than his last name on his jersey.
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“Lets not blame the goaltender change for this tonight, I don’t think Jonathan Quick could’ve won this game tonight the way the Kings played, they just didn’t play a good game tonight”
Bob Miller
39 seasons announcing pro hockey.
I think I’ll listen and agree with what he says.
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Rough game. Can’t win em all. Kings were right there midway through the second. Then Jersey scores an ugly goal and the scoreless streak was over. Too much to overcome after that being unlucky against a tough Devil defense earlier in the game. Missed Quick but he can’t play every game.
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Hockeysureshot Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
@Mikey J., well said.
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I sorta wish Directv dropped fox sports west before this game. This was tough to watch. Better be ready for Dallas Thursday. Kings will bounce back.
As a Directv subscriber should we start worrying about not seeing Kings even if we have Center Ice? Figures that when the Kings are good I won’t be able to watch,
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
@Hockeysureshot, dont say that i want to watch all the Kings game but they are stupid just accept the deal i pay exra money just to see Kings play
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I didn’t see the game but as I was driving home from work, I saw these big chunks of blue stuff coming down. Anybody else notice that the sky was falling? Hang in there Kings fans, your passion is great and good things come to those who wait (and many of you have been waiting a long time). Let the team get on the road, JQ back in the net, DD back on the blue line and Kopi back in the saddle and we should be fine.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
@DesertKing,
Good.. you were one of the lucky ones who didn’t watch the game.
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
@DesertKing, tHAT WASN’T THE SKY FALLING, THAT WAS AN ANGEL LOSING HIS WING EVERYTIME THE OTHER TEAM SCORED.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@Dominick,
As an Angel fan with a #44 “Napoli” jersey in the closet, I am definitely experiencing “falling sky” syndrome
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Its the war that needs to be won. Cant win every battle but with TM as coach not too sure if he knows how to win the war.
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I only caught the end of the game but they had over 30 shots on goal. You can’t win them all but it sounded like a lackluster performance. 3 shut outs in a row… you’re bound to put up a stinker eventually.
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First it was Fro’s fault, then Sturm, now this year it will be Penner’s fault. 1 goal in 2 games against average teams and 2 back up goalies. I love what DL has done with this team but keeping TM around is mind boggling.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
@Pesus, Agreed. I just don’t understand this “Defense only” strategy. Last I heard, it takes scoring more than your opponent to actually win championships.
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Once again TM fails to enhance the game with any coaching prowess. At the very least he could have called in Jules Winnfield between the 2nd and 3rd period for inspiration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKOBqH8pQaQ
Inglewood jack! mofo
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Hat trick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@taylorskings, Now that’s funny!!
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@taylorskings, And the funny thing is the Kings banner behind his head while he’s sitting on the bench.
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TM is a moron.Sorry, I know no bad speaking, but HE IS THE ONE WHO SAID HE’D GO WITH THE HOT GOALIE, NOT THE GOALIE WITH THE MOST WOOD IN HIS ASS! Bad Show! To much power on their offense
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rick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@Mike in Oregon, Unless Quick could have also scored a goal or two while pitching a shutout, wouldn’t have made any difference. Bad game. Nothing more, nothing less.
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gmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@Mike in Oregon,
you are so right and i feel your pain…….he said he would ride a hot goalie and then goes back on that hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm and how about working on your team offense tm
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@Mike in Oregon, You mean….TM wasnt truthfull? huuuuuuuh, shocker
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
@puck73, Daddy Murray didn’t keep his word Lets all have a good cry boo hoo i feel better time to move on.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
@Mike in Oregon, Gotta say…he took a team that was looking great, and threw ‘em a curve ball, out of the blue. He created a negative story where there wasn’t one. Now there’s no way we won’t see more tinkering.
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I’m going to say it now, I hope JQ gives up a quick goal in the next game. Why you may ask, simple we need to move past that distraction, and start working towards the only important thing our organization should be concerned with. For those who don’t get what I’m saying or alluding to, well I’m not surprised one bit. Here it is and I sure hope everyone gets this. The only record we need to be working towards is our first Stanley Cup. For this Kings fan that is the only record I care to see our Team obtain this year.
Another little bit of information we may want to resign ourselves too, is that we’re probably going to loose another 25 or so games this season, and that’s a generous number as we lost 30 games last season and made the playoffs. I know a 5 – 2 – 1 record is the end of the world, and maybe we should just consider calling the season to an end now. Or maybe we can just suck it up as fans and realize we still have 74 games left in the season.
Enough of the blame game that’s not a worthy attribute of any championship team. As long as that is our standard operating procedure, we have no business raising the cup at the end of the season. Winners don’t whine, winners don’t point fingers, winners accept their mistakes make corrections and move on. And by some insanely idiotic chance our team feels we need to try harder for one goalie then another we don’t ever deserve to win the Stanley Cup.
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@jenny,
we see eye-to-eye, mi paisano…
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jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@variable, I’m glad someone else feels the way I do.
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
@jenny,
quick doesn’t have to give up a goal, though…hehe…
but i understand yr point…
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@jenny, Are you really saying a shutout streak is a bad thing? It seems like you are. How does Quick’s streak hurt the Kings? I’ve gotta know the answer to this.
Quick getting a shutout means the Kings win the game.
If you win enough games, you make the playoffs.
If you win more games than anyone in the league you get home ice advantage in the playoffs. Home ice advantage helps you win the Stanley Cup.
Which is what you want.
What step am I missing here?
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
@CB14, +1, also we are playing the blame game, because everyone and thier mom thought Quick was going to start. When you say you are going to play the hot hand then you should probally go with the goalie with the 3 shutouts and two days rest. Just sayin.
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
@CB14,
what yr passionately overlooking is that quick’s streak is still intact…and that the kings played a horrible game regardless of who was in net…goaltending had no outcome on this game…
tm did what he did…
it shouldn’t…and won’t…be am issue going forward with the team…
on this site, though, that’s a whole other story…
peeps are making waaaaay too much of this decision and game 8…
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
@variable, I didn’t overlook Quick’s streak at all. Jenny said she hoped JQ gives up a quick goal in the next game. I responded to that. You should re-read Jenny and my’s posts if you don’t believe me.
I never once said it wouldn’t be an issue going forward with this team. Please don’t put words in my mouth.
jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
@CB14, Maybe you should ask JQ that question. I seem to recall him saying its 2 points. I don’t care how many shutouts he has. I’m quite sure by hearing his views when asked about them, he doesn’t care much either as long as he gets the win.
This whole shutout thing is a distraction. Like i said before the only record I care about is the first Stanley Cup, it’s the only one that matters to this kings fan. I’m going to go out on a limb and say I’m pretty sure JQ wont have 35+ shutouts this year. On that note I’ll just settle for some goals against, and the win instead if it keeps us focused and on track for the only thing any of us should care about. Erm the Stanley Cup.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
@jenny, I never said it wasn’t 2 points. If Quick posts a shutout, the Kings get 2 points regardless of how well the offense plays. Again, how is that a bad thing? I’m sorry to keep harping on this, but how is this shutout streak a distraction? I can’t figure out how it’s a distraction. A shutout helps the Kings WIN the game, what’s wrong with that? I’ve never once in all my life ever heard a player say a shutout streak is a distraction.
PP Anybody? Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
@jenny, I think the reason some of us get frustrated is because we all want them to win a Cup. As it stands, this team plays an anemic brand of offense, which leads some of us to worry that maybe there’s still some work to be done.
tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
@jenny,
I can only agree with you about the one goal thing on Quick if and only if we outscore the other team in the next game LOL. Right now Our offense is struggling plain and simple. We’ve scored a total of 3 goals in 3 games.. That’s not cutting it.
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jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Haha i agree.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
@tacomakingsfan, Which is why having someone thats playing lights out hockey in net is important. It’s not like he played last night he was rested, Also if two points is the big thing, why wouldn’t you want the person how has been soo hot of late shutout or not.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
@jenny, The scoreboard doesnt lie. You openly boasted that not playing Quick would make no difference and you lost. Now, like anyone else on this site, I excpect you to own up to it, and take your medicine like many others on this site.
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@puck73,
goaltemding did not lose this game…period…
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@variable, Your right, the micromanaging and tinkering Terry Murray is responsible, and he deserves any criticism that the local or national media heaps on him.
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
@variable, lack of confidence did. Two of those three were unstoppable. The first is hard to judge because it was just hard to see the play happen at real time and see. We played flat. I do think with Quick in the net we play better and smarter. They seem to not have any “swagger” on D when JB is in net. They seem to press and make bad decisions. Thats how I see it thou, everyone else might see it differently.
gmo Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
@variable,
coaching did
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
@variable, Goaltending didn’t lose the game…but nobody’s going to say Bernier stood on his head, either. A certain guy who DIDN’T play HAS been standing on his head.
Those are just the facts.
That said, Bernier is going to play some games. He’s STILL going to play Saturday or Sunday…it’s just ANOTHER game he’ll be playing. I didn’t think this was the one for him to play before the game, and I certainly don’t think so afterward.
Don’t mistake this for “Bernier lost the game.” Frankly, they lost because they didn’t play nearly well enough to win. It’s just that the facts can’t be ignored in trying to prop up the guy who was in net. Who knows…maybe in the context of probably losing the game anyway, it worked out better for Quick (but not so well for Berns, who’s going to have to turn it around Saturday or Sunday.) This reminds me a bit of how last season started. It’s still early, though.
jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
@puck73, Yup they lost and not because of the Coaching decision or because of the Goalie on the ice. they lost because the whole team played poorly. Any team that plays that poorly, and I’m pretty sure I didn’t see TM out there taking shifts. Or if TM was on the ice, I guess I just missed his ice time on the game stat sheets. It wouldn’t have mattered if JQ, JB or even JC were in goal tonight. The fact of the matter is our forwards and defenseman played as poorly as they possibly could have. When a team plays that poorly and has that many turn overs in the neutral zone and in their own defensive zone they deserve to loose.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
@jenny, Terry Murray is like a sound engineer, he likes to keep tinkering, even when it sounds good. He has been doing things like this since he got here. When San Jose came storming back after being down 4-0 on the road and the crowd against them, Mcellan pulled Niemi to stop the bleeding…and it worked.
MEANWHILE, Murray watched the Kings running around in their own end and didnt call a timeout, or pull the goalie to stop the bleeding…HE DID NOTHING! Heck Jenny, you and I could have done that right? Mclellan is not a genius, he was just using some common sense that Murray clearly doesnt show, and is outcoached by simpletons, not Scotty Bowman !
jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
@jenny, I don’t believe a goalie change tonight, or had JQ started tonight it would have made a bit of difference in the outcome of the game. NJ flat out played us tonight. Had JQ been in goal tonight his streak would be over.It would have been the same outcome.
I wonder what it would be like to have John Stevens as a headcoach he did very well in Philly.
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Nobody working down low; some passes made to an empty slot – nobody driving the slot area all night; Penner blew coverage on first goal; finally two people driving the net and Penner puts the shot in the goalies gut for an easy save instead of keeping it on the ice thereby creating a rebound. Terrible defensive breakdowns. Oh well…..toss it to the wind and move on.
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Bad game by the team. This team was due for a bad game (we are talking about the Kings, after all), so the way I see it, this is exactly why you start Bernier tonight.
If you’re saying that the forwards and defensemen would have played differently had Quick been in insted of Bernier, how does that make sense? Does Kopi not make that turnover? Richards too? Do they not allow the better scoring chances that they weren’t allowing in the previous games just because Bernier was back there, all because they would have wanted to preserver Quick’s streak?
If the team really felt that they weren’t going to play tonight because Bernier was in goal, then those players have no business being in this league. But I doubt that’s the case, when what happened was what normally happens to the Kings (and every other team). They have a bad night where they seemed a step behind, the opponent seemed to be in the right position and seemed to capitalize on their chances, while the Kings couldn’t.
The reason I say this is why you start Bernier tonight is because had Quick been in goal, he would have suffered the loss, ending his streak. (And don’t kid yourself, the way the Kings were couging up the puck and oculdn’t find the net themselves, Quick would have most likely lost unless he scored a goal himself.) Now, Quick’s streak is still intact and he’s fresh when they face Dallas, a division foe on the road.
And hopefully, the team realizes how piss poor they played in front of Bernier tonight so that they come out fired up on Thursday. And then, when Bernier gets the call on Sunday, they also realize how little support they have him tonight, so they play better in front of him against Colorado.
So, while many won’t or don’t want to see the strategy behind TM’s decision, the fact is the loss tonight doesn’t hurt them as much as a loss in one of the games this weekend. No one likes to lose, but the team isn’t going to win all 82 games, they won’t shut out every team every night, and they’re due to have bad games. Planning for when you can have your best assets for key games and minimize the effects of losses is important for the long haul.
I think Bernier should have had at least one of those saves to keep it no more than a two goal game, but he also had the benefit of two posts, so really, this game could have been worse as well. While I don’t blame him for the loss, I don’t think he played his best game either. But then again, what can you realistically expect from someone who hasn’t seen action in over two weeks?
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JDR Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@vplaza, nicely said, couldn’t agree more.
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variable Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@vplaza,
yep…excellent post…(!)
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@vplaza, Only thing is, you can’t say the result would of been the same, because Quick might have made those saves. Funny how people said it was a bad idea to change goalies when ones hot, and the first thing you do when it proves to be true is defend your position by saying it wouldn’t have mattered anyway.
No way to know, for sure, but saying it wouldn’t of mattered as if that’s a fact is no different than saying it would of mattered.
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
@Dominick,
Funny how people want to say Quick might have made those saves. No way to know for sure, but considering that the team wasn’t scoring and continuing to give up the puck, I’d say the chances were good that the result would have been the same.
I may be guessing, but that’s just like everyone else who is guessing that the results would have been different if Quick was in there. And so, how do we know that the team would have played differently? Because they were protecting Quick’s streak? Come on.
The truth is, the way the team in front of him was playing, the keeper wasn’t going to win this game.
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
@vplaza, By the way, Bernier gave up 3 goals on 23 shots. Quick has given up ? on how many shots now?
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@Dominick,
Sure, and how many glorious turnovers did the team give up in front of him during that span, where they weren’t clearing the puck and scoring goals themselves?
No one can say for sure that Quick wins this or he loses this. But given what we know of how the team played tonight, Quick not only would have had to pitch a shutout but he also would have had to score a goal or hope someone scored in a shootout to get the victory.
Now Dom, are we going to start this go-around like we did with the DD fiasco?
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
@vplaza, guess so. You were wrong there too.
Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
@vplaza, By the way, I didn’t say he would, you said he wouldn’t of mattered.
vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
@Dominick,
LOL, if you say so. I still haven’t seen anything that clearly shows it wasn’t about the money. But oh well.
vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
@Dominick,
BTW, how many games has Bernier played? I guess 2 games or 4 games in October doesn’t matter.
Maybe, if he gets more game time, he gets better? So, why not give him the time against NJ, when the possibility of a loss doesn’t hurt as much? Now, he’s got two games to build on when he faces Colorado this weekend, as opposed to coming in cold and losing against a conference foe.
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CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
@vplaza, So TM should play Bernier against every East Coast team because they don’t mean as much as a Western Conference team and it’s ok if we lose them? I don’t understand that logic, 2 points is 2 points.
“Planning for when you can have your best assets for key games and minimize the effects of losses is important for the long haul.” Games you’re supposed to win are key games too. You can’t give away free points against crappy teams, regardless of conference. You HAVE to get the points against bad teams every opportunity that you can. You’re not going to beat every good team, you’re going to win some and lose some, but you have to take care of the bad teams. The Kings didn’t.
Of Course the rest of the players would’ve played better tonight had Quick been playing. Not because he’s Jonathan Quick, but because he’s on a 3 game shutout streak. Like in baseball the players always say, “I knew I had to make that catch because I couldn’t be the guy who cost player-x his perfect game” They play harder when more is at stake. Whether it’s the playoffs, or their goalies shutout streak, they play harder.
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
@CB14, So very true. Or even when a guy has two goals his teammates try and fed him the puck to get him that third.
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
@CB14,
With respect, I think you’re missing the point. It’s not to concede points. If that was the goal, don’t bother playing the game.
Quick is by far our #1 goaltender, hence, our best asset. In the big picture of things, while the NJ game is a “supposed to win game” (I find that debatable because there are no gimmes in this league), a division game is more important because of the impact in the standings. A conference game is also important because of the standings, though perhaps not as critical as division games.
While I agree that in theory, bad teams should be beaten, the fact is, in this case, it made more sense in the grand scheme of things to have Quick ready for Dallas and Phoenix on the road. If Quick played tonight and lost (and I don’t believe the players as a group would have stepped up their games because they wanted to preserve Quick’s streak, otherwise, shame on them for letting Bernier down), then he’s going into Dallas after losing his streak (which he says doesn’t really matter to him) and playing his sevent game in a row.
So again, the strategy behind playing Bernier now is minimize the effect of a potential loss and have Quick ready and the team fired up to play Dallas.
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Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
@vplaza, The team wouldn’t be ready if Quick played tonight?
vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
@Dominick,
The team wasn’t ready…period. Assuming that they would have been ready if Quick played implies that the team feels no need to play well in front of Bernier. Is that what you’re implying?
Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
@vplaza, I understand the whole play the back up against the east or less important game. Doesn’t that just show JB that they don’t trust him in a big game? That being said I’m guessing he will play next against the Avs, On the backend of a back to back, which everyone knows alot of players don’t have thier freashest legs. So once again it may put him in a bad situation to succeced in.
Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
@vplaza, Are you implying that they were when Quick was in net?
vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
@Dominick, not sure where I’m implying that at all in anything i’ve posted.
Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
@vplaza, The team gave up 23 shots. That is below normal for the Kings, and the goals still went in. Yes there were turn overs, and breakdowns. But they were the same when Quick was in net (actually less). How come when Quick gets a shutout, it’s not him but the team, and when Bernier gives up 3 it’s the team and not Bernier?
vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
@Dominick,
So, Bernier gets more turnovers and breakdowns in front of him and it’s his fault?
Dominick Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
@vplaza, He didn’t get more. He actually faced less turnovers than Quick did in any of his last 5 games. How can you insinuate Quick would have been no different.
CB14 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
@vplaza, With repect as well, just answer this question for me if you will; Have you ever seen someone say something similar to my quote i wrote with regards to stepping up their game in a very important game?
I still haven’t seen a good reason why Quick didn’t play tonight. Using your reasoning, are you saying Quick should never play the next game after he losses? What if he stopped the 1st and 3rd NJ goals and the Kings lost 1 – 0. Is all lost for Dallas’ game on Thursday? I don’t think so. Look, Quick had 2 days off before this game, he can play 3 more games with days off in between. The reason Quick got burnt out 2 years ago was because Quick played in multiple back to back games. He won’t get burnt out playing 3 games in 5 nights.
vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
@vplaza,
Sorry, I didn’t see/hear the same breakdowns and turnovers when Quick was playing. Kopi and richards weren’t turning the pucks over in their zone like they did tonight. I think it’s reasonable to think that having Quick in goal wouldn’t have mattered considering how the team was playing.
Dominick Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:20 am
@vplaza,
Those turn overs were bad no doubt. Quick has faced more turn overs though. He has faced more shots on average than Bernier, has started 6 games, and not given up more than 2 goals in any of those starts. Bernier has started 2 games so far, and given up 4 in one game, and 3 tonight.
Bernier has a .897sv%. Quick has a .972sv%. Bernier only faced 23 shots tonight. The game was different, but the difference might be not having Quick in goal when we should of.
Jim Fox said people are going to second guess this decision, and that when many first heard Quick was going to sit they were surprised. I’m just one of those people.
CB14 Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 12:26 am
@Dominick, ew ew ew, Me Too!
vplaza Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 6:19 am
@Dominick,
If you go strictly by save percentage, then JB doesn’t get a start until JQ falters and his save percentage falls below JB’s.
Or is your point that JQ’s better save percentage means that he makes the saves that JB couldn’t make tonight? No one knows that for sure. What we do know for sure is that the team stunk it up in front of Bernier. If Quick was in net behind those players tonight, I assert that he would have lost as well.
And it’s interesting you bring up stats. How could anyone expect JB to play like JQ after only playing one game so far this year? Logically speaking, considering that he is the backup and that he was pretty cold, no one should have expected him to shut out NJ. What no one expected was the team to have a letdown in front of him, not even giving him the chance at a win. Actually, in his two games, the Kings have scored two goals. No support.
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Copper10-8 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
@vplaza,
Outstanding post, thanks!
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jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
@Copper10-8, I can’t agree more, and if our team feels they don’t need to be ready regardless of who’s in goal, well then our season will be another failed one again and rightly so. I hope our players aren’t that insanely idiotic in reality to think that way. I was under an odd perception they were professionals, and would feel obligated to play well no matter who was in net. And if that’s actually how they think they don’t ever deserve to have the Stanley Cup in their hands.
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Westy & Clifford had a combined 23 shifts with a total of 5 hits…….REALLY ?!? Nice job, way to create some havoc from the “Energy/Checking” line. WEAK !
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For those of you who think the team didn’t give full effort because their goalie is Bernier, stop calling yourselves ‘believer’ cause if that is the case this team is not good enough to achieve anything.
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jenny Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
@goldielocks, EXACTLY
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including last season, playoffs and this season Penner has 3 goals in 30 games as an LA KING. that is beyond unacceptable. please get rid of him and throw in a guy who actually wants to win.
thank you.
that is all
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Flipping through the channels trying to get my mind off tonight’s game and what do I come across? Poorman’s Bikini Beach is back on something called MTV3S! Weeknights 10:00-10:30.
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puck73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@billanthony, Poorman will be in town this week on Thursday at the Spearmint Rhino. He posted that earlier tody, so if you wanna talk about the greatness of Jon Bernier to him in person, he will be very happy to take your comments.
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I thought I got a great deal buying $30 tickets on stubhizzy (section 208)…I was WRONG. that game was donkey poo.
BOOOOO.
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Okay the only good line that i notice Was our 4th line Clifford – Lewis – Westy.That beat ur first line and second line and third line that is sad..
Bernier has very little confidence and TM crush it instead of playing his hot hand goalie if he would of lost he would of bounce back and play better.But we cant say the samething with Bernier. But i think Bernier a tough guy he bounce back but still smart to use him when its back to back or Quick just not having good days.
Offense just pathetic..
PP looks like last years the only reason y we scored was because it was a 5 on 3 or OT 4 on 3 because of Richards.So why does DL keep having this so call of a PP coach??
I know am overreacting but still i dont want to see the same old Kings that just cant score.
Second line hasn’t score since Richardson was on the same line and that was game 1 against the Rangers.
So far Richards only good to making assist better than nothing.
Quick again carrying his team when that going to stop..When can Quick be just good as hell and the offense great?
Ugh I guess i expect more out of this team and am asking for it too soon.
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Man, Zach Parise is quite the talent.
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
@Mikey J.,
Trade Bernier for Parise! (end sarcasm)
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Andrew: the second coming Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
@vplaza, I would say well NJ does need a goalie.. but they just shut us out;).
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vplaza Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
@Andrew: the second coming,
Well, they really wouldn’t want that bum bernier anyway. He can’t get his teamates to play well in front of him like the other keeper can.
Man, I want Penner to do good soooo bad! I feel bad fir him but he’s a big boy and needs to find his mojo. LGK!
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Many people here love to rip on JJ about his plus minus, but he was one of very few Kings players tonight that we’re not minus.
Also this is the first time since Alabama Voynov has been on the ice the opponent has scored. Ship him back to the minors now. ( kidding) I think the kid deserves to stay. Even though that is not likely to happen.
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SDJ73 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
@SDJ73, good lord …. I have NO idea how my phone got Alabama out of Slava.
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
@SDJ73, must be using the same one as tony larussa.
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Penner did look a bit bewildered on the bench. Thinking about something was all I could see. He doesn’t have that Peter Forsberg type look in his eye and that shot on the rush was weak.
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Where are all my scarecrows??? “if I only had a brain”
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Guys, opposing viewpoint, while Bernier wasn’t brilliant last night, Quick would have been lit up as well maybe not 3 goals but definitely 2. Maybe he wouldn’t have given up the rebound that caused the first goal but the 2nd and 3rd, come on. Both goals featured 2 on ones, Bernier didn’t read the play right on the 3rd but I’d bet Quick does the same thing, no one expects Zubrus to shoot, he isn’t a scorer, Bernier expected a pass to Elias and when he realized he was too late, also the shot was well placed and had some oomph behind it. LA was lucky it wasn’t 5-0, it was role reversal last night only one line on your team was playing and your defense got smoked.
Your team by the way plays a very similar game to the Devils by the way(defense first, low score), and while Quick is a very good goaltender like Brodeur, it would have take the hand of god to get him a shutout in last nights game, all of the shutouts yes are due to a goalie playing well but also great team defense. Defensively the Devils slowed LA down enough to give Hedberg a good chance on most shots, the kings did not do the same for Bernier.
You guys have a good team and a good record, you shouldn’t question the coach and GM, they generally know much more about the game, players and opposing team than you. Playing Bernier was the right move, we’ve seen it with Brodeur, he is unstoppable but is totally gassed by the playoffs because he played 75 games. That is the last thing you want, you want Quick to be hot in march and to continue his streak into the playoffs.
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