Timing can be a funny thing. On Monday morning, the NHL announced that Jonathan Quick was its “first star’’ of the week, after three consecutive shutouts. A few hours later, Terry Murray announced that Jonathan Bernier, not Quick, would get the start tomorrow night against New Jersey. Murray said he planned the move before Saturday, when Quick recorded his third consecutive shutout and received the honor from the league.
MURRAY: “It’s great recognition, obviously. It’s a team recognition, in my mind, because it takes a lot of people to make that stuff happen. But Quicker was outstanding in those games and I’m very happy for him.’’
Quick has been getting league-wide attention of late, but nothing has really changed in the Kings’ locker room, where Quick’s play — and his attitude on and off the ice — have been a consistent source of pleasure for his teammates. Drew Doughty, out injured, got a chance to appreciate Quick from afar this week.
DOUGHTY: “Quickie has been unbelievable. He’s been standing on his head the last couple games, minus I guess the St. Louis one. Last game, he was unbelievable. He kept us in that game. Without him, we maybe would not have won that game. He played great and he deserves all the accolades he’s getting. Three shutouts is unbelievable. I’m so proud of him and we’re all thankful, especially his defensemen, for how good he is back there. … Off the ice, too, Quickie is unbelievable. Everything is always his fault, when clearly it wasn’t. He takes the blame for everything, when he shouldn’t be. Most goalies, it’s `You guys are screening me, get out of my way,’ that kind of thing. He’s the exact opposite, so that’s why we all love Quicker off the ice, as a person, and obviously as a goalie and a teammate.’’
Substitute unbelievable for inconceivable and you got a movie in the making.
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Verno Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 2:07 am
@Bobby Scribe,
“But it’s so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy’s? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.”
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Dave Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 4:37 am
@Verno, I hope your not driving home.
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Quick has Been extrodinary Phenominal!
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We sat behind Quick in the lower bowl. I’m sure glad they didn’t have any tickets in the Kings shoot twice section. Watching Quick Saturday night was the best a hockey fan can ask for. He seems more relaxed this year. The Kid is coming into his own. He’s becoming one of the leagues better goalies. Look for quick to start in the all star game. He’s playing the type of game that we fans enjoy. Finally we have a keeper we can be proud of. Here’s to you Quick, Here’s to you!!!
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OneTimer Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
@kinginsaltlake,
Love your post.
GKG.
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HockeyOnly Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
@kinginsaltlake, Tonight on NHL On The Fly, they called him a “Superstar” first time I have heard that used for any Kings player outside of Dionne and Gretzky.
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KingsFan1971 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 12:26 am
@kinginsaltlake, Man I love this post,My son and I watched the most incredible game a goal minder could play. My hat is off to JQ and keep pushing your fans are behind you and this team.
I am and always have been even more so now a Kings fan through and through since 71 Go Kings Go!!!!!
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Quick is the ultimate team guy. I have never heard him ONCE take credit for anything. He always lauds his team which is a great quality.
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when yr in love, the whole puck’s delicious….
ej hradek and brian duff on nhl live today were singing the praises of quick…ej dubbed him “mr. zero”…espn is all over the team, as is yahoo, as well…
i could get used to this…and it didn’t even require the great one’s return to the organ-eyes-ation…
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Tito Jackson Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:43 am
@variable,
Dude, thats old school Los Angeles reference right there. I doubt most would get it.
Fred Rated
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I don’t like this decision at all. You can’t sit out the hot hand. I know the plan is to have a more balanced work load, but after his performance on Saturday night, I really feel Quick earned another start. Oh well. Bernier better step up tomorrow if he doesn’t want to continue to sit on the bench. Go Kings!!!!!
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linny Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
@chris, Not to mention the fact that Murray said he would go with the hot hand and not “pencil” names in this year. I think its a real BONEHEAD move no matter what convoluted idea is in his head regarding the 3 games in 4 nights schedule. Also it would have been great to c if Quick could get 4.
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HockeyOnly Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
@linny, Took the words right out of my mind
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Ron Reynolds Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:31 am
@chris,
Whether we like the decision or not may depend upon the outcome of tonight’s game. If we win, and Quick is rested for Thursday night’s battle in Dallas, we may feel better about the decision. Even so, we don’t want Quickie to lose his edge.
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Id like to CC this post to my beer league goalie…
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408kingsfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
@tornado12, Does he play the blame game lol
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What the conversation would sound like if I were Johnathan Quick:
TM – You did such a great job the past 3 nights that i’ve decided you’re not playing tomorrow.
JQ – What, why?
TM – Well I want to keep Bernier sharp for when we need him.
JQ – When we need him? When we need him my butt. I’m comig off 3 straight shutouts and you’re sitting me down? You’re unbelievable. That’s bull blank. I worked my blank off this summer and i’m playing the best I ever have and you’re sitting me down. Unfreakinbelievable. What the heck do I have to do to play every night?
TM – Listen Quickie, I know you’re upset.
JQ – ( interrupting TM ) You’re damn right I’m upset.
TM – I know Johnathan, I know you’re upset. Would you like me to explain?
JQ – I would love to hear this.
TM – It’s because of a decision I made a couple days ago. I let Bernier know on Saturday. I let him know after Saturday’s skate.
JQ – So because you opened your mouth too soon, I get ( I couldn’t think of a word that is allowed, and that means the same as what I wanted to put in here). Why couldn’t you keep your pie hole shut for a few hours?
TM – I know Quickie, but I can’t go back on my word.
JQ – But you’re going back on your word right now.
TM – What do you mean?
JQ – In the pre-season you said you were going to go with the hot goalie. How much hotter do you want me to be? I’m standing on the freakin sun for cryin out loud.
TM – Well yeah, but that was then.
JQ – So what, you said it didn’t you.
TM – Well yes Johnathan, but thngs change.
JQ – Like what Coach? What changed?
TM – ( Silence )
JQ – That’s what I thought. ( Walks away disgusted) Unreal.
That was just to show what the conversation would’ve sounded like had it been an irrational person like myself. LOL
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MrMister Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
@CB14, Crazy? I was crazy once. Then they put me in a rubber room. Then I died. Then they buried me. Then the bugs ate me. Bugs? Bugs drive me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They they put me in a rubber room. Then I died. Then they buried me. Then the bugs ate me. Bugs? Bugs drive me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once…..
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Dominick Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
@CB14, LOL! I suspect it went more like this
TM – Quick!
JQ – What’s up coach?
TM – I’m starting Burnie on Tuesday.
JQ – Cool! no problem.
TM – Its-aaa-riight-a?
JQ – S-aaa-riight!
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Ike Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
@Dominick, Haha. Nice.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
@Dominick,
Nope. Gotta go with CB’s version. MUCH more believeable, don’t you think?
What? You think we’re talkin’ logic here? Don’t think so.
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Forum67 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
@CB14,
Fortunately, I seriously doubt that a conversation even remotely close to this one occurred. That being said, it’s hard to accept sitting down a goalie who is obviously in a zone. But what the heck, Murray found another way to fuel the goalie debate that never quite seems to go away.
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CB14 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
@Forum67, Regarding your last sentence, it pretty much had. That’s what’s so funny. No one was bringing up the goalies at all. 3 straight shutouts and no one’s complaining about what goalie plays what game, then this happened and took over the blog. Mabye Rich made it up to get more page views and Quick will indeed play. LOL. I know that’s not true, but if you told me yesterday which one was more likely to have happened, I would’ve picked Rich’s. LOL
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Forum67 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
@CB14,
I agree. Quick’s absolutely dominating early season play pretty much laid goalie controversies to rest. But because a substantial minority of the Kings fans are Bernier people it is always bubbling just beneath the surface and will continue to do so as long as we have both Jonathans. If you don’t believe me just watch what will happen if, heaven forbid, Quick was to have a run of consecutive bad games (mishandled puck behind the net and soft goals that led to losses).
CB14 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
@Forum67, True, there’s still some laying in the weeds, waiting for a bad game from Quick. Lets hope they have to wait awhile.
OneTimer Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
@CB14,
*Jonathan. ftfy.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
@CB14,
I love the “standing on the freaking sun” line.
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DAVID Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
@DesertKing,
Me too, crackin up right now. Good stuff CB!!!
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
@CB14,
Funny!
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Hadley Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@CB14, FRONT OFFICE: Send Voynov down to Manchester before his NHL contract kicks in. COACH MURRAY: How can I do that? In the three games he’s been in for us, the other team has yet to score a goal. FRONT OFFICE: Then change goalies. Put Bernier in. If the Devils can’t score on Bernier, then try another goalie — like Paul Pageau if you can find him. If Pageau gets a shut-out, then you can keep Voynov and we will pay his NHL contract. COACH MURRAY: Spasibo.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
@CB14, Perfect post CB. Couldn’t have said it better. LMAO
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CB14 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
@Everyone, Thanks for the, well, thanks. It’s always fun to have some, well, fun.
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HockeyOnly Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
@CB14, Awesome
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red49er Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 am
@CB14, sounds pretty rational to me….
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I realize this is a long shot, but i think Murray’s decision to start Bernier might be centered around him deceptively shopping Bernier to New Jersey (assuming he plays a solid game)? There has been some speculation and rumors centered around the Kings going after Parise before the deadline … a deal that would most likely involve giving up Bernier (whom it has been said the Devils have been interested in to eventually take over the reigns when Brodeur retires). Either way, I think Bernier is too valuable to keep on our bench – especially with how well Quick is playing – and that we should try and get something in return for him one way or another before the end of the year.
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gcheng Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@JDR,
i highly doubt that NJ will shop Parise. They picked him captain because they want to make up for not signing him long term before free agency. so keep dreaming about landing parise. btw why do we need parise when we will have toffoli next year
he is our future luc
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JDR Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
@gcheng, I agree with your thoughts about Toffoli, and like I said, it’s a complete long shot, but looking at our team at the current comment, our weakest area (and quite possibly the number one thing keeping us from being a top contender) is at the left wing. The Devils have significantly struggled at getting Parise to commit to the organization, and they only have him locked up for one season … their GM will not let him walk out on July 1st without them getting something substantial in return, so if they can’t sign him by the deadline, they will trade him to the highest bidder … why can’t that be the Kings (with Bernier)?
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Stang Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
@JDR, Yeah, and who’s going to back up Quick, that’s actually ready to step up to the NHL. No, if we’re going after the Cup, they wouldn’t get rid of Bernier until we have a NHL quality back up.
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JDR Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
@Stang, call me overly-optimistic, but i have a ton of faith in Martin Jones … he dominated his first season as a starter in the AHL, and from what I’ve seen, he’s the real deal. Granted, he’s young and has a ton to learn, but may very well be a viable option if we can get someone solid for JB
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variable Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
@JDR,
scott burnside on espn.com hypothesized on the scenario you opine earlier today…
if i may ask…how do you “deceptively” shop a player to an interested team that yr about to play by starting them…?
does that involve david blaine…?…ricky jay…?
and tm doesn’t usurp the authority of dl in infiltrating trades, just as dl doesn’t play mr. burns with tm regarding the line combos and who starts/sits…
the only thing that is true about all this trade talk is the following…:
- jb is more than likely not gonna get traded this season…
however, if a team becomes desperate enough to make the offer that deano “the box king” lombardi would/could/should not refuse, then it could happen…but that’s a remote possibility at best…
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JDR Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
@variable, I guess I’m speaking more with my heart than my brain … I just feel that JB is too valuable to store on our bench, and that we should try to get a crucial player in return that can turn us into even more of a serious contender, even if it isn’t someone like Parise
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variable Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
@JDR,
hey, there are worse organs to talk through…we have all done it…no worries…
these days, it’s all about the cap…trades cannot be made unless there’s room for more paper and iron…
i think there’s no doubt that dl will be aggressive come the deadline in being an “opportunist” if someone is willing to overpay for a player…the kings have a lot more assets in the pipeline than jb…and at this point, bernier is not in the hopper anymore – he’s a legitimate nhl backup/future starter…in today’s game, every good gm knows every other gm’s situation…the only surprises come with how little or how much one is offering for the bargain…
bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
@JDR, We don’t need Parise. We have Penner. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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JDR Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, HAHAHAHAH if Penner can’t lead us to the cup, nobody can
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chip Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
@JDR, I can no longer read any sensible post unless it is written in the form of the conversation with Terry Murray. Sorry.
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red49er Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:34 am
@JDR, Murray is no dummy, but is he that smart? and if it’s DL’s decision then he needs some rest.
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Quickie is a work horse and the best goalie in the NHL, why would you pull him when we are playing a tuff NJ team and throw a rusty Bernier to the wolves? At least wait till we get Doughty back! Maybe TM is thinking that since we might loose this game even with Quick, might as well give Quick a rest and see how Bernier does. Who knows? Maybe Quick asked for the rest……….not.
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OneTimer Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
@Stang,
Who cares about a “tuff” east coast team … when the next 3 games are against more important Conference rivals?
… and there’s your answer.
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Does anyone know how I go about putting a profile pic in the upper right side?
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
@King lopez,
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Bernier will be under intense pressure tomorrow night to perform like Quick has.
This will be a great mental test for him. I think our D will get play well in front of him and make his job easy.
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
@408kingsfan, I doubt Bernier will feel pressure to perform like Quick. Pressure to win, but that’s it. Bernier’s a dam good goalie and I’m glad were gonna keep him sharp because anything can happen in hockey.
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Flash to the future- and the final score LA-4 NJ-1: Bernier stops 34 of 35 shots along with a break away by Kovapuke.
L.A. Insider Board- That TM- what a brilliant coach- we’re so lucky to have him coach our team.What a brilliant mind to give JQ a rest in this non Conf game. He’s definately coach of the year candidate.
Flash back to the current: Geez folks- give it a rest…
GKG
FAN SINCE 1974
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CB14 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
@wideleft, With Respect: Flash forward to the even more future – final score LA-2 Dallas-6 Quick off his game and gets pulled in the second period after giving up his 6th goal.
L.A. Kings Insider board – That TM, what a horrible coach. He should be fired for his choice to sit Quick on Tuesday. Now the Kings have lost 2 straight games with different goalies and ruined all the momentum Johnathan Quick had.
Flash back to the current: It goes both ways. No one is saying Bernier is going to struggle against New Jersey. He’s certainly a capable goaltender, it’s more about losing all of Quick’s momentum. It’s not very often that a goalie is on a 3 game shutout streak.
Kings fan since I was born, 28 years ago.
P.S. That wasn’t meant to antagonize you, just to show that there’s 2 ways of looking at things. We’ll find out if TM was right Thursday night.
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wideleft Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@CB14, The only thing that antagonize’s me is when my Senior in college daughter only calls because she’s short on cash.I really don’t see a momentum switch by resting one game. TM told JB before last game he would start. Don’t think he can go back after last game and say “hey kid…change of plans….what would that do with his psyche? Had it been 6-2 Dallas, there wouldn’t be this discussion
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CB14 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
@wideleft, I just wanted to make sure you didn’t think I was trying to be a jerk. Sometimes my comments are taken differently than what I intend to be and I was just trying to make sure that wasn’t the case here.
I guess it really wouldn’t be momentum that I’m worried about, it’s more Quick cooling off after not playing for 5 days since he doesn’t play tomorrow. Had he allowed 1 goal each of the previous 3 games I doubt there would be as much critism on the subject. My basic theory is that Quick is so on fire right now I wouldn’t risk him cooling off. That’s all. Regarding Bernier, I wouldn’t have told him anything until after the game. I don’t know what the difference was between telling him after the morning skate, and telling him after the game. But that’s just me. If we win both games it’ll be a moot point. I’m hoping that’s the case.
Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
@CB14,
And watch as the blog goes berserk and crash and burns to the ground.
We’ll see, won’t we. We also may see 600 posts, 99% negative. Of course, should both games be wins, I don’t believe anyone is ready to vote TM to sainthood. Win a Cup first. Prove many wrong, TM.
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wideleft Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:43 am
@CB14,
Everything’s cool.I love coming here because so many are passionate about this team as I. Nice to know the organization has a ton of unpaid coaches (me included
)
Keep up the good writing,I enjoy the reading. BTW- that was sincere.
bmova Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
@CB14, Regardless of hindsight/flash forwarding, no one would get on TM’s case if JQ has an off game tomorrow night, whereas if it’s JB who was the bad game, let the floodgates open. You don’t sit a hot goalie unless it’s in a back to back. JQ should play Tues/Thurs, and then one of Saturday or Sunday. In addition to this weekends back to back, we also have 3 in November; plenty of opportunities to play JB. No need to do it when JQ is hot.
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That’s my Sapo!!!!!
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How bonehead this moved by TMurray of the Kings by starting JBernier in tomorrows game against the NJD..why kill the momentum? Why cant Kings pile up as much points as they can get and play JBernier when playing against weak opponents..As Kings fan I want to win the pacific or even the best record…This is one of many reasons why I dont like Murray..
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I do agree with many people that Bernier is much too valuable to serve as a back-up. Most teams use a wiley veteran for that purpose. Ranford are you still available! he he
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CB14 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
@408kingsfan, Or Hextall. LOL
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Dominick Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
@408kingsfan, Their gonna thank their lucky stars if we’re competing for the Cup, and Quick gets injured. Having the best backup goalie in the league is worth more than gold when your in the playoffs. I don’t care what another team offers, Bernier shouldn’t go anywhere as long as the focus is on the Cup this year.
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
@Dominick, I agree with you in that Bernier shouldn’t be traded unless you can pick up someone exceptional. On the other hand, if we were offered a trade of Parise for Penner and Bernier and any prospect except VV and Lokti, I would take that in a heartbeat. Parise plays 81 games and Bernier plays 25.
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JDR Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, couldn’t agree more
Dominick Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, No possible way DL would give up that much for a rental. He’s never paid that much for one before, and I don’t see him starting now. Parise is an awsome player, but there’s no way uncle Lou allows it too happen. He’s extended Parise when he couldn’t afford it last season. This season he actually has more capspace than we do. He just made Parise Captain. I think Parise is untouchable. Devils will resign him.
bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, I would think we would have a huge advantage in re-signing Parise if he played for us and I’m not sure Parise wants to stay with the Devils. A top line of Parise, Kopitar, Williams and a pp unit of Parise, Richards, Kopitar, Doughty and JJ would match the talent of any team in the league. With the young talent (low salaries) we have in our system and dumping Penner and one other guy, we could free up the money (I think) for Parise long term.
Next year is the final year in both Jonathan’s current deals… Unless something goes horribly off the rails this season, I wouldn’t expect Jonathan to be moved… Next season is another story… By then Mgt will have decided which one to keep & which one to move (probably for a top six winger/ established backup keeper/ First round draft pick to ensure our future is as bright as our present!)
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OneTimer Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
@Kings win, Ducks lose, My head is already spinning from having to make that decision. Maybe it’s also because in my 26 years of being a Kings fan … we have never had this “problem” of having 2 potential franchise Keepers in our system.
WHO do you keep?
Quick is outstanding – no question.
Bernier will be outstanding – I truly believe this.
One thing I know, whoever gets shipped … I’ll miss them and will be watching their stats until they retire.
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There is no reason to trade either of these goaltenders for two simple reasons:
A) Both of them seem cool with the current arrangement.
B) The Kings currently have the best salary value for both of their goaltenders combined, of any team in the NHL right now.
A third obvious reason is that both of them are just so good, and even still both are getting better. It would be completely absurd to break up this tandem at any point this season, barring any severe downward change in the level of play of either player.
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red49er Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:47 am
@pumpernicholl, i’m not sure at all that Bernier is cool with this. and I don’t want him to be. no self respecting pro athlete is happy backing up. At least he’s not causing problems though. I wonder who has had the most to do with this being a peaceful situation? is it Lombardi, Murray, Brown, Quick or Bernie himself.
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Gotta love the fact that the biggest upsets for us fans are Loktionov and VV staying and Bernier getting in one game since Oct 8th. Pretty funny if you stand back away from it and think about it for a bit.
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fsd1 Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:50 am
@KC23, yes, stand back, remove all troll comments from your brain, (if i still have mine) and then think about it.
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This makes no sense!! Quickie is on fire, we need to ride his shoulders while he is hot and wait until the back to back games this weekend to start Bernier…
Some of the things Terry M. does are lame….
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I find it amusing that so many of you are speculating on Murray’s rationale for switching from his “hot hand” statement to playing Bernier tonite. After three years of Murray I am convinced that the man has no logic in his entire makeup. If Quick needed the rest I could understand the change. Even if he told Bernier on Saturday afternoon that he would be starting tonite, I am sure Bernier could play in either Dallas or Phoenix this week…(and I like Bernier and he should be given a chance). Also, the constant speculation that Bernier is being showcased is upsetting. Why trade away a good goalie????It has been forever and a day since the Kings have had such an abundance of good goalies. Fenestration for Murray, anyone?
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How are we playing New Jersey twice in the same season???
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trytodethroneus Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:20 am
@Brian,
Each team plays the other conference 18 games. Since there are only 15 teams in each conference, you play 3 teams home and home. This year the KINGS play new jersey, boston, and florida twice.
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