Jonathan Bernier, not shutout-streak Jonthan Quick, will start in goal when the Kingd host New Jersey tomorrow night. Terry Murray said he made that decision before Saturday’s game and told Bernier, and Murray cited the tough recent schedule and the fact that the Kings have three conference games after tomorrow.
As for Drew Doughty, there was great encouragement about his effort today but he is unlikely to play tomorrow. Doughty hasn’t yet been cleared for contact and said he would like to get in a couple regular practices, something Murray concurred with, saying he woul point to the road trip for Doughty’s return. More notes and quotes from practice to come…
ehhh.. we better win tomorrow if TM is doing this..
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nykingfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
@jsauce23,
yeah otherwise he should get canned..how dare he not play Quick 81 games!
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gene Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@nykingfan, Yeh doesn’t matter what the other 19 players do on the ice, it will be Johnathan’s fault if we loose. If that happens then firer TM and DL.
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Pie Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
@nykingfan, 97 games
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Mike Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
@jsauce23, wow you really said this??!! lol
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You gotta be kidding me TM! You arent even gunna give Quick a chance to extend his streak!?
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@HemetKingsFan, just to let you know, Quick’s streak does not end if he does not play.
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JD Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
@jet, glad somebody pointed that out
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I have no problem with this. It’s October both goalies need work to stay sharp. NJ is not a conference game so this makes sense.
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Stuart Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
@Shotongoal, great minds think alike for once
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fsd1 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
@Shotongoal, ditto
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bbb7 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
@Shotongoal, Yes, exactly. People need to take a bigger perspective; it’s a long season and Quick will get PLENTY of starts and we need him energized in May and June more than we need him starting every game now. JB is very good, and I love that TM is keeping him feeling an integral part of the team.
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Scot Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@Shotongoal,
Agreed
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dduffy Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
@Shotongoal,
Yes Agreed. Tactical, not an emotional decision.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@Shotongoal,
agree 100%
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Jack Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@Shotongoal,
Definitely. Short term, it also helps set up a nice rotation in a week with 4 games and a back-to-back.
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@Shotongoal, thinking the same. I like it.
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@Shotongoal, glad to see someone who understands the game, post. thank you
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FromSwedenWithLove Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
@Shotongoal, I also think this is the right move. We need two solid goaltenders to be conteders. Bernier needs to get involved in matches and Quick needs a night off. Can’t see why that should be a problem. Remember, in the end it’s just two points…
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Cutty Sarkn3ss Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@Shotongoal, Exactly . . save Quick for the division and conference games
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Michael J. Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
@Shotongoal,
You have it right. This is a long season.
Plus, just imagine what the comments would be if he let five or six goals in on Tuesday?
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MM Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
@Shotongoal, My thoughts exactly.
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Wow. I am a TM fan, but this is insane. What happened to playing the hot hand?
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bmova Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@Kevin, We all know JQ is hot, but, he doesn’t need to be burned out this early in the season especially with the games coming up.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@Kevin,
If you are a TM fan you should already know how he thinks by now. He’s usually changes his mind.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@Kevin,
He dis when Quick played Thursday and Saturday.
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Showcasing Bernier for a Parise deal?
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Dominick Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
@brokemyaxel, Not on your life. We’d have to trade 2 or 3 more, including Bernier just to clear capspace, and fill the roster holes.
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KingTrojan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@Dominick, No true. We have what? $2.5 million of cap space? Trading Bernier is more than enough to grab Parise at the deadline considering that the contract gets pro-rated.
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DanD Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
@KingTrojan, The contract wouldn’t be prorated. We would take the full cap hit on Parise’s salary. Still, wouldn’t mind seeing quick/bernier traded in a deal to get parise.
Anjin Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@KingTrojan, why trade Bernier for a guy who will be a UFA at seasons end? That would be a terrible move at this point.
fsd1 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
@brokemyaxel, will not happen this year…..
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CB14 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
@fsd1, Or next year either because Parise is a UFA and will sign with us this off season!
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Zeley Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
@brokemyaxel,
Trading Bernier for Parise sounds like a broken recording.
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Deke'r Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
@brokemyaxel, You bet….they’re gonna make the deal in the locker room Tuesday night and surprise the fans!
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Setting Bernier up to fail… he gives up a goal… he fails… he loses? there’s a lynching party… After this home game the team plays a couple on the road. Wouldn’t it have been better from a momentum perspective to give Quick the home game and give Bernier one of the road contests?
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variable Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
@Marc Nathan,
i don’t look at it that way…
if bernier knew that he was going to play BEFORE saturday’s game, he has had plenty of time to prepare and be ready…furthermore, it’s always the backup’s duty to be ready for action…and i’m sure it’s a good thing to get jb in there so that he can have a chance toerase the memory of his first game of the season…the faster he gets that opportunity. the better off his psyche will be…
if you think about it, it gives the team another reason to not take a step back, as they should be even more motivated to protect jb by playing up to their level of ability…
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@Marc Nathan, you make a good point viewing it from one side, another view might say that the team is playing great right now, let’s get JB in now for an easy win. But you are defintely right as far as TM being a no win situation, but I he has been through this before.
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This is yet another crap move by a crap coach. You don’t sit a damn goalie pitching 3 shutouts in a row. You just don’t do it. Wait til he gives up one in a game to give Bernier some work. This is just horrible.
You don’t touch what isn’t freakin broken.
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fsd1 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
@Winger23, which NHL team do you coach for? just wondering…..
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Sebastian Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
@fsd1, dont you know everyone here is an expert coach, GM, and scout?
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Winger23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
@fsd1,
Didn’t realize coaching in the NHL was a requirement to see something obvious. This is not a back to back situation. This is not a case of too many games in a few nights. 3 nights of rest before this game, he will now have 5 days off in between games, pleanty of time to cool off.
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fsd1 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@Winger23, and god forbid JQ doesnt get a shutout and loses a game then JB should take over? My point was “another crappy decision by a crappy coach” says to me that you arent even happy with a 5-1-1 start or understand the fact we wont win every game. Correct?
bbb7 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
@Winger23, Quick should start a max of 65 games or so to be fresh come playoffs so JB needs to play about every 5th game to do that… it’s just good long-range planning.
Nyck Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@fsd1, Scott Arniel who coaches a miserable, and winningless NHL team is technically an NHL coach, does that mean that he’s the more all-knowing just because he’s got that occupation? No, it doesn’t, your logic fails.
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fsd1 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@Nyck, at least he is an nhl coach….
Michael J. Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@Nyck,
Arniel is one of only 30 who can call themselves NHL coaches. He knows way more than you, me, @waves, @puck, @quisp, or anyone else who has enought time in their days to post here.
wavesinair Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@MJ…definitely more than me! Maybe not puck or quisp though… LOL.
gene Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@fsd1, Was going to say the same thing. What team do you coach that has wonn all 84 games??????
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loskingpride Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@gene, Don’t you mean 96?
loskingpride Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@gene, Grrr 98*
fsd1 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@gene, I dont, haven’t and never said i was so not sure why you ask?
Doc Allen Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@Winger23, crap coach my be a little strong but I agree with everything else you said.Of course we don’t want to exhaust Quick but he would have had 3 days off and now your sitting him for more days. Great way to cool him off! Stupid even if hopefully Bernier has a good game.
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Winger23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@fsdl
Of course I’m happy with the start. This is why im so adement about contiuing to play Quick while he is hot. Murray’s coaching, or rather his decision makings have been hashed over and over here and doesn’t need to be continued.
There is a back to back this weekend to get Bernier in and Quick rested. Quick is now going to have 5 days off in between starts. No Bueno.
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CMaldo96 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
@Winger23, So…. I hope I am not jinxing it here but…. if let’s say Bernier doesn’t allow a goal, which is entirely possible with a hot defense and his proven ability to record shutouts from a backup position, will TM still ne considered a crap coach in your eyes? Or is it only if JQ gets it?
Winger23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@Doc CMaldo96,
Yes, Murray will still be a crap coach regardless of what Bernier does tomorrow.But again I’m not getting into the Murray sucks debate.
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Winger23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
@Winger23,
Speaking of which, I give the players even more props, for still winning despite being outcoached almost every game.
nykingfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@Winger23,
exactly…he should wait until Quick gets lit up in a game due to over-work before making the switch. NJ’s a huge game. Why can’t he wait until we play SJ, Anaheim, or a top conference opponent? those games don’t have nearly as much meaning as the Devils game does!
Jut because Quick tired out a ferw years ago at around 70 games ..that’s no reason why he shouldn’t play 81 games…
FIRE THE COACH!
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Michael J. Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
@nykingfan,
You are right! Damn the whole Winter and Spring games! The Kings must win on Tuesday or the season is lost!
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Mike Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
@Winger23, last I checked there were 23 MEN on the roster…. not 1 guy with pads on!!
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
@Winger23, would you be the first guy to post if Quick pulled a Hammy in tomorrow night’s game. “TM sucks for overplaying Quick, we have the best goalie tandem in the league for a reason. JB should have play. TM sucks”
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Winger23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@jet,
@ all of you questioning me. I never said JB should not play in at least 20-25 games this year to keep quick rested. There are going to be stretches where JB should be playing more. When you are coming off 3 days rest, and on top of your game you play him period. This does not mean wait until he gets lit up to play him. Even if he only gives up a goal or 2 tomorrow, you pick smarter days to rest him.
He is playing lights out. He will now be going 5 days without playing. Thats not something that is wise IMO.
Yes I like Bernier a lot too. If the roles were reversed and it was Bernier doing the 3 shutout thing I would be saying the same thing.
Again im not saying Quick should play 80 games this year. Far from it. Now is NOT the time to give him the rest so early in the season and with many days off.
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@Winger23, so if Quick has shutouts in his next 3 games, you still continue to play him the next game?
jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
@Winger23, and I am not trying to bash you, but I just an trying to get you to think of a point where you say our backup plays better with work every few weeks and our starter tires if he plays tooo many games.
I am okay with this call. Gives Quick some extra rest. It’s more important to have the “hot hand” on those 4 point games…
The questions is, if Bernier has a stellar game, will TM keep JB in net for the divisional games??? HMM.
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IceGuy Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@KingsGuy,
I think we should just give Bernie a lot of support. HE gets a shoutout. Then what? Ahhhh, the problems of depth.
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KingsGuy Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@IceGuy, I agree. Glad to have him as our back-up.
If he does get a SO or has a great game, you think TM will play him back to back games? Flop back to Quick?
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doesn’t this end quicks streak? i dont think it carries to the following game
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Kevin Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
@ziggy, It’s a personal record. Not a team record.
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Dominick Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
@ziggy, The record carries over to his next game.
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Imagine if JB pitches a shut-out!!!??? That would be some amazing schtuff!
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RobSD Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
@Stuart,
That would definitely be awesome. Let’s just hope he doesn’t put up a stinker.
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
@Stuart, Very possible. I like this move very much. I want Quick with all the mo jo working for him against division rival Dallas at the end of the week.
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KH Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
@Stuart, Thank god someone is optimistic! Let’s keep the team shutout streak going JB!
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I understand the logic. Better to play the #1 vs our division. I just hate that he is tossing out the play the hot goalie plan this early.
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RobSD Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
@Kris,
+1
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im sure this was a very tough decision for murray, and after cooling off, i actually believe it to be the correct decision. quick plays thursday in dallas against a division rival and friday in phoenix and then bernier plays the back half of the back to back in colorado on sunday. i like it. still hurts to sit such a hot goaltender.
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@Sebastian, Yep, exactly right. I want to get a non-conference game in for Bernier before he has to play the back end of a back to back against a good conference rival. Big picture people, big picture.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
@KC23,
My screen is only 36″, is that considered “big picture?”
Jus askin!
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TYLER Reply:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:42 am
@Kingsfanone, bigger than my 22″…
TV that is
haha
tm showing some composure and loyalty in sticking to his game plan with the two yoots…
does jq ever raise his voice above library level…?…very impressed with his intense focus and ability to keep his eye on the prize as the spotlight intensifies on him with every noteworthy, record-breaking performance…
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
@variable, Isn’t that you thz???
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
@variable,
Think you may have been watching too much “My cousin Vinny” with the two yoots! LOL
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Yikes, I hope JB has a great game so that he feels part of the Team’s success? Quick has been insane in net but it makes sense to get JB into a game as the next three are conference games with four points on the line. Give them hell JB! Go Kings!!!
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Smart decision. It has been a nightmare start in terms of travelling and we need both goalies sharp. We do not want to burn Quick either, can not play all the games…
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therope Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
@Krash, I agree with you. Don’t want to burn out Quick no matter how hot he is…
Read this… http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2011/10/how-many-games-should-a-no-1-goalie-play.html
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Good to give Quick a night off and more important to give Bernier a game or 2. Murray see whats more important here and that’s a divisional road trip upcoming vs Dallas(improved w/ new coach), Phoenix(Hopefully another shut out), Colorado(Not sure what to expect from them this time round)
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Deke'r Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@Nightman, Look at the standings and you’ll know what to expect…..tough game! GKG!
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HA! My apologies. I completely lambasted someone who said Bernier should play this game. I still think you stick with Quick. I believe the streak will resume when he starts again. Is that correct? The two points is important and I guess it is better to have Quick for those important conference games.
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
@RobSD, Yeah, this has no bearing on Quick’s streak what so ever. I think a lot of people didn’t realise that. Good that LA fans continue to improve on how things work in the NHL so it’s all good.
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This has to be one of the worst moves in professional sports history.
You bench a guy who hasnt given up a goal in over 180 minutes??
This should not make sense to ANYONE with a brain.
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bbb7 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
@Ryan, I officially dont have a brain then, cause I’m good with it.
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fsd1 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
@bbb7, mine is gone too….
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Zeley Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@bbb7,
It’s in the minutes that I lost my brain back in February – although it was presented back to me in August.
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Carey Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
@Ryan,
Actually it makes plenty of sense. Your over-reactionary impulse is clouding your ability to see the big picture.
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Ryan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@Carey, 8 games into the season, what kind of rest is needed? Quick is just fine, they have a back-to-back this weekend where he will get rest. That is where you sit him, not after two full days rest playing out of his mind and the best stretch of his carerr.
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Ryan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@Ryan, career*
Winger23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
@Ryan,
You are correct 100%.
Carey Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
@Ryan, I didn’t say anything about rest. The Kings have two quality goaltenders, and both need to be on top of their game all season for the Kings to be one of the top teams in the league. Bernier has not started an NHL game in 17 days. There is nothing wrong with keeping him sharp, as well. Quick not being overworked to start the season is an added benefit. You do realize they’ve done an insane amount of traveling, correct? Just because Quick hasn’t played a ton of games doesn’t mean he is immune to mental and physical fatigue from all the travel.
This decision makes plenty of sense if you’re worried about the overall success of the team over the course of the season. If you’re worried about a meaningless streak that amounts to nothing in the big picture, then sure, this decision is stupid.
Ryan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@Ryan, You are completely mislead by what I am saying. “The Streak” is meaningless, this is a situation where you have a guy who, Quick, who has literally played out of his mind to secure two wins. The St Louis game I didnt think tested him that much. And im just refering to the last 3 games not 4.
Do you think guys like Ryan Miller, Patrick Roy, and Marty B have been as successful as they have because the coaches yank him on 4 game win streaks having surrendered a total of TWO goals. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
My issue is Murray not sticking with the “hot” goalie. Give him a break this weekend, not tomorrow night.
Its bad coaching.
Its awful coaching.
DesertKing Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@Ryan,
I am officially a scarecrow!
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
@DesertKing,
Excuse me…….I believe you dropped some straw. ;D
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DesertKing Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
@Kingsfanone,
If I only had a brain.
Stagger Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@Ryan,
My measly little walnut sized dinosaur brain tells me that this is a good move.
It’s a long season. The Dallas game was as intense as a regular season game gets. Streaks and records mean nothing. The Cup is all that matters.
Let Quick rest.
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Ryan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@Stagger, You are completely mislead by what I am saying. “The Streak” is meaningless, this is a situation where you have a guy who, Quick, who has literally played out of his mind to secure two wins. The St Louis game I didnt think tested him that much. And im just refering to the last 3 games not 4.
Do you think guys like Ryan Miller, Patrick Roy, and Marty B have been as successful as they have because the coaches yank him on 4 game win streaks having surrendered a total of TWO goals. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
My issue is Murray not sticking with the “hot” goalie. Give him a break this weekend, not tomorrow night.
Its bad coaching.
Its awful coaching.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@Ryan,
Where’s Dorothy/Toto/Tin Man/Lion when I need them?
signed,
Scarecrow!
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
@Ryan, yet another idiot here, looks smart to me considering the weekend games coming up.
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kyle Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@Ryan, Dang…thought I had a brain, but I guess not. Come on, lighten up a bit. At some point TM needs (and the team needs–more importantly) to get JB a start or two, before the team starts back to backs and 4 games in 5or 6 day stretches.
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Shotongoal Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@Ryan, Duherrrrr I wish I could read what you wrote but I ain’t got a brain!
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Michael J. Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
@Ryan,
Interesting and very well thought out comments Ryan.
Your maturity and ability to form an argument are well beyond your years.
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Ryan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
@Michael J., I wrote the book on sarcasm
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ike Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@Ryan, He told Bernier on Saturday he would play. Is he going to tell him nevermind because quick got a shutout?
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so nice for rich to fire up all the trolls, must be slow for him today or just trying to increase the hit counter…..;) Haven’t seen some of these posters since we started winning….
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We’ll be fine as long as Westie plays…
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fsd1 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
@the hockey don, lmao, true dat!
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vplaza Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@the hockey don,
And Voynov. No one’s scored against the Kings since he came up.
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Winger23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
@the hockey don,
Westgarth is due for another point!
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While I don’t agree 100% with this, there is logic behind it. It’s a long season and you want to give your team the best chance to win every night.
Plus, if JB can fill in nicely tomorrow night, and we have a fresh JQ in net for Dallas, Phoenix, and Colorado, then I’m okay with this.
But so much for riding the hot goalie.
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Winger23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@vplaza,
You are going to give Quick rest tomorrow, only to play him in back to back over the weekend agianst Phoenix then colorado? what?
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@Winger23,
This IMO is good. The devils game is not even in our conference so losing shouldn’t matter too much. Then we have the Stars and Coyotes again where we use Quick. After the Coyotes its the Avs where we can use Bernier again because now he has gotten his feet wet. The Divisional games are the most important which are the Stars and Coyotes. Avs, well they’re not in our division. Either way we have to use Quick in the more important games rather than burn him out just because he is the hot goalie.
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
@vplaza, JB will likely play Colorado also.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
@KC23,
Damn I type slow.. Lol that’s what I was thinking too.
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Only reason this seems like a strange decision to me was because of Terry Murray’s reaction to the question of whether or not he would play Quick against New Jersey, which was that he chuckled as if to say “Isn’t it obvious?”
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fsd1 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@ValleyKingsFan, sorry but that was before our last game, not NJ
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vicarious Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
@ValleyKingsFan, TM was making a joke because he knows the coach is often second guessed over which goalies he plays. Thus, he says tongue in cheek “It’s obvious.”
In fact, they are looking at a lot of different things as the article posted above talks about. The article quotes Giguere’s belief a 50-30 split is close to ideal. There is a great line in Citizen Soldiers about the WWII front liners. One officer comments that if he can people rest–even a short one– before they break down, then they can rest up and return. But if they break down mentally or physically it takes along while to recover. And then it depends how strong the 2nd goalie has played. Bernier proved last year that the man can play NHL goalie at a good level. To me, it makes no sense to wear out Quick in the early going when the Kings have a capable backup. And as for the scoreless streak? Quick played great no doubt but there was one poster against Dallas that easily could have gone in. He’s played great and had some puck luck. Go Bernier! Another shutout please.
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I understand the idea of giving quick some rest, but I don’t know why you would risk potentially taking him out of the zone that he is in right now. In just about every other instance it makes sense to play bernier, but I’m not sure about this one
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DesertKing Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@King Taco,
I agree. He is so focused right now and I don’t think rest is an issue with 3 days off. No matter what happens, as long as we get the 2 points out of the NJ game, then I will go with it.
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bbb7 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
@King Taco, Understood, but unless you think he can stay in the zone all they way thru June his starts needs to be parsed out so he CAN be in that zone again come playoffs.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
@bbb7,
You used “parse” more than TM! Nice!
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Michael J. Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
@Kingsfanone,
lets not parse our words here…
Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
@Michael J.,
Gonna go have my chicken & “parse”-ly now……..
King Taco Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@bbb7, I agree but it’s October. Plenty of games left to spread around when quick isn’t coming off 3 straight SOs
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nykingfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@King Taco,
Would it be much different if we had a week between games?
If JQ comes back with another shutout, I can’t chalk it up to the rest, nor if he comes back and gets beat on a few can I blame sitting out of a game as the cause.
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I am surprised by this, but at the same time, I’m not surprised at all. It is a non-conference game, so I can understand TM’s reasoning. However, if I am the coach, I stick with JQ right now. I am okay getting Quick a bit of extra rest right now. Maybe let some of the pressure of “the streak” die down.
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@KingsFan in OC, Not sure Quick is capable of feeling pressure but disagree with not starting Quick tommorow for whatever reason. We have back to back games this weekend so pretty much will assume Bernier plays 2 of next 4 games. Worst case scenario is Bernier has bad game and then TM will want to play Quick both games back to back this weekend. I just don’t think Quick needs more than 3 days rest. Would have made more sense to just wait and start Bernier on either Sat or Sunday, IMO
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KingsFan in OC Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, Trouble with that is, Bernier hasn’t played since October 8th. Get him a start at home in a more friendly environment against a non-conference opponent. If you wait to start him Saturday or Sunday, that will be three weeks he has been off. Pretty tough on any goalie.
I know Quick doesn’t “need” more rest, but the more he gets early in the season, the fresher he will be later.
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, doubt Quick will be playing back to back this weekend. Long season folks. Keep everything nice and balanced for the marathon known as an NHL season followed by the playoffs. The streak doesn’t mean squat and besides, nothing changes as far as the steak anyway. Looking forward to seeing Bernier get some time in.
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Bernier will win. Take that 1 to the bank. This is 1 of the best Kings teams ever.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
@Poorman,
Thanks Rich, stand-by everyone , go………
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
@Poorman, paging puck73 to the white cou … errr never mind.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
@Poorman,
Attention! Puck73 to the customer service desk please.
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
@Poorman, i like the new york poorman , better than the los angeles poorman
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@jet,
You mean the kinder, gentler spiel?
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puck73 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@Poorman, What happened to the overvociferous New York DJ that guaranteed me that Bernier would be the starting goaltender by November 1st? Speaking of which, I dont know if you ever saw my bet, but let me reset it for you. If Bernier is named the Starting goaltender by Terry Murray on or before November 1st, I will not post here for the reast of the season. HOWEVER, If Quick is still the starting goalie by then, then the same goes for you.
I will tell you what @poorman, I will extend that offer to December 1st, you ok with that ?
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
@puck73, back to your corners. The bell has rung.
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I would expect to see Bernier again during next weekend’s back-to-back vs. PHX and COL.
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@Capt Jam, Yep, JB will likely get the Col game with PHX being a division rival.
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A rich where can I get more info on those blue lapd practice jerseys the kings warmed up in during the kings /Dallas game? Heard they are for auction on kings site but I can’t find them anywhere..
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
@BigWood,
They have to get them autographed first. Then they’ll pop up on NHL auctions. Give them don time.
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I don’t think any of us can really judge if it’s a good move or not until we see the results of tomorrow night’s game, and also the results of Quick’s next game.
If Bernier doesn’t play well, & we lose, & then Quick doesn’t play well in his next outing, then it’s a bad move, because Quick lost his rhythm.
However, if Bernier plays great, we win, & Quick follows that with a 4th consecutive shutout in his next game, it’s a great move. Isn’t it?
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
@Scot, Only counts if you call it before hand. Anyone can figure it out after the fact.
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
@KC23, as witnessed by the 418 coaches who post after each loss
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Michael J. Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@Scot,
Actually, I don’t think anyone will ever be able to really know if this was the best choice or not. Regardless, I think the Kings (not Bernier or Quick) will win on Tuesday.
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You guys are forgetting something key here: Voynov will still be in the line up, so the shut out streak will continue whether its JQ or JB in net.
Seriously though, i was expecting a WALL of crying and whining about this move and i’m glad to see a number of people with cool heads. I know a lot of us want to see JQ keep going, never letting in a goal for the rest of the season, with no nights off, etc etc… But the smart decision, shut out streak aside, is to get JB in here for this game. Quick could likely use the break with all of the mental and physical demands over the past week. He’s earned it. JB on the other hand needs SOME games, no matter how well Quick is playing to be able to keep himself up to par. He may not have just played 3 shut outs in a row, but he has ALSO earned some playing time.
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@Dilapidus, tm is just plain stupid after a day off why would you pull the best player on the team right now. If anything hold us back from winning this year it will be dumb tm
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Anjin Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@Alan, if things don’t work out the way they should then TM deserves hell for this decision.
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@Alan, I understand that new fans will not understand this move, but back in March of 2010, JQ was drained and was not playing his best going into the playoffs. Quick needs to get some rest to stay on top of his game. This is the right call.
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I can hardly wait… As soon as Quick gives up a goal on his return all we are going to hear is how Murray screwed up. Some just expect a shut-out every game. Not gonna happen. As KindFan in OC states very well “Maybe let some of the pressure of “the streak” die down.” Who cares how many minutes Quick can go without letting in a goal? He doesn’t.
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Zagiful Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
@Dave’s a Killer, your name just hit me. Who own da chiefs? OWNS! OWNS! the chiefs? I’d use Jackie Robinson quote but Rich would banish me for life.
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@Dilapidus,
It’s Terry Murray. This should not be a surprise. TM did say he always going with the hot hand, did he not? Is he doing anything he doesn’t normally do?
I’m surprised he hasn’t tried Westy on the 1st or 2nd lines yet. Folks, this is what Murray always does. Move along. Nothing to see here.
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What if Bernier gets a shutout?
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@FKA PakiFro,
NJ just so happens to be 29th in goals scored.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
@FKA PakiFro,
Wouldn’t that be a good problem to have? Kinda like our backlog at Dmen right now. Depth!
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This is mind-baffling-boggling to me. Yeah Bernier would be right to start against NJ…ONLY IF your #1 Goalie did not just have 3 shutouts in a row!!!! You have to start Quick, for the League, for the team, for Quick, and for Bernier. This is unbelievable to me. After history being made the other night, I wonder if people bought tickets to the next game just to see Quick play?
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I dont mind having JB in net tomorrow. I rather have JQ, but if JB loses
tomorrow, then everybodies going to bash TM for the move.
AS long as we get the 2 points thats all that matters to me, and holding
Kovalsuck to -0- points.
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Some of you guys are a trip!
Before the season started we were all talking about having the best goalie tandem in the NHL…Was it going to be a 60/40 split?
many of you were insisting that we dump JQ and give the job to JB since his potential or ceiling was higher than JQ.
So we go from that to fire TM because he’s starting Bernier over JQ in game #8 of an 82 game scheduleagainst a non conference opponent.
Quick wasn’t playing 81 games this year..whether he pitched a shuout in every game or not…We still have to be ready for the playoffs and having a fresh goalie is key.
Let’s give it a break with the “outctry” over the move.
You play your #1 goalie against division/conference opponents first….
It’s Bernier’s time to play and I have full confidence that he’ll come out on top!
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
@nykingfan, It’s just about playing the odds and 2 points right now means just as much as it does in the last game of the season. Plus, assuming Bernier will get the start Sunday, we now have Quick sitting out 2 of the next 4 games. Obviously, Quick has shown no signs he is tired, so move just seems sort of pointless to me.
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, 2 points now means nothing against 2 points in the playoffs, our goal is more than to make the playoffs.
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
@jet, If I were to work out tomorrow, somehow I would feel that in April? C’mon, that makes no sense. If Quick needs rest before the playoffs, then March would be the time, not October.
nykingfan Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring,
If you have 2 elite goaltenders, which we all feel the Kings do, then you don’t worry about sitting one over the other no matter the circumstances.
There’s absolutely no reason to think JB won’t play a big game agaisnt NJ and win. He won some big games for us last season and he showed everyone during the 2nd half how good he can be.
You’re right in that every point is critical, but when you have the goalies we have, who cares who plays? both are expcted to win every night. Both are more than capable of shutting down the opponent every night.
If we were talking about putting in LaBarbara, Cloutier or Fukofuji, then I agree!
WIth a tandem of Quick and Bernier…they’re closer to 1 and 1A than just about any other tandem in the league.
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Calm. Down. Why is everyone flipping out already? the season is young, we’re playing an eastern team. Lets not drive quick into the ground. Yes he’s great right now, but he’s played 3 games while standing on his head.. Hes going to burn out while playing the rest of our conference rivals. As long as we don’t allow a barrage of quality shots on berny, we’ll be fine.
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meh…
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I applaud the change. Bernier hasn’t played in over 2 weeks. His numbers weren’t stellar in the Buffalo game and hss had to sit and wait since then, thinking about it. Great chance to get him in (non-Conf. game) before we play 5 Conf. games in a row. I also see him pay either Sat. or Sun, and probably Sun. in Colorado. He needs ice time, and BTW- it’s not like he’s some scrub either. Prior to the European trip, most were calling for him as the #1 anyways. Final footnote- JQ’s streak is still alive even if he sits this game.
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What’s the surprise? This makes perfect sense to me.
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Perhaps we should expect the scorers to get some more goals so we don’t need to worry about a shutout streak. I’m totally stoked for JQ and his streak, but like HE said, at the end we got the 2 points. We were only 1 goal away from overtime and a possible loss. We need to increase scoring on our end and take that pressure of both goalies.
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Why would you do this:
- Because like it or not, Bernier has got to give Quick a rest SOMEWHERE in the schedule. A eastern team is probably a good choice to do that.
- The next two games are divisional
- Next weekend is a back-to-back. Safe to assume we will want Bernier to play one of those. Probably Sunday against Colorado (Conference rival vs. Division rival).
- Given then Bernier will probably face a conference team on Sunday, probably good to let him see some time before then, even better, against an Eastern opponent.
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KC23 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
@Bill M., Perfect points. Not to mention this has nothing to do with Quick’s streak anyway. Quick already got the club record and if people think Quick is going to get 2 more in a row I want what their smoking.
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@Jet,
I’m not a new fan, and do remember the callapse quite well. However none here is advocating that JQ should be starting 80 games this year. There is a time to get JB into the lineup, this is NOT one of those times. There will be long road trips coming up, many games in few nights. He can get 20-25 games in still. Tomorrow night should not be one of those nights.
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jet Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
@Winger23, so you believe in playing JB for road games rather than non-confrence games?
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DLB Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@jet, It seems that people care more about some personal record for Quick than they do about saving him for important rivals.
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JD Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
@Winger23, you sound like a new fan
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TM just going with who’s hot at the moment
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puck73 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
@KindSir, LMAO !
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jonsey Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
@KindSir, Why isn’t he bumping Kopitar down to the last line and putting Loktionov in?
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@Nickdoh, Hope it doesn’t go into a shootout!
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jofa6000 Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
@Gordon, yeah and y is that?
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JD Reply:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
@Gordon, quick already lost the only shootout this year
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Just thought I’d share practice pics from today:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99534220@N00/sets/72157627846884347/
Enjoy & Go Kings Go!!
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@Dominick, Because sitting him has nothing to do with the record?
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Holy $%^& This is like saying “shutout” during the last 2 minutes of a shutout game broadcast. I thought TM was going to play the hot hand? With all due respect sir, C’MON!!!!
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get em
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