Here’s how the Dustin Penner situation has played out. In Philadelphia, Penner played approximately five minutes, and after the game Terry Murray said Penner had suffered a “contusion” but was fine. Today, Penner came out for practice but left 20 minutes into the 60-minute session. Below, Murray gives an update. How much reading between the lines would you like to do? It’s interesting — at least I thought so — to note how Murray described Penner’s condition, as he noted that Penner had been “reassured” by multiple people that the knee is fine. Murray said he did not yet know whether Penner would be able to play tomorrow night.
MURRAY: “There’s nothing I can tell you right now. There’s no report from our doctor (right now). It’s what I said in Philadelphia. It’s a contusion on his knee. When he had the fight, he fell. That’s what it is. He went to get it checked out by the doctor and see if there’s anything further on that.”
Question: But the plan was for a full practice from him, right?
MURRAY: “The plan was full practice. There was nothing, before the practice, to lead me to believe there was going to be anything different than that. Obviously it’s bothering him. He’s been reassured by the doctor in Philadelphia and the training staff here, but something is on his mind so we sent him to our team doctor.”
I don’t like the sound of this
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KC23 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@Dave, Me neither … its got that “player says he’s hurt, but the coach and team doctors aren’t buying it” … feel to it.
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Larry Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
@KC23, Sometimes as a player you get a little concerned about injuries. I don’t blame him especially if there is pain and the explanation is not good enough. It’s his career, he wants to make sure everything IS ok..and i am sure the Kings want to also for their sake and Penners that he is OK.
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Harty Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
@Larry, Can’t believe what I read at times, go back to last year after he was traded to the Kings…..under achieved terribly, nothing will change with this guy…..
His heart is not in it, are you kidding me, do you know how many guys play injured for fear they may sit in the pressbox longer when the injury heals, oh ya…….
Forgot Penner is one of those guys someone paid big money to and we assumed the cost of the contract so he has to play as someone upstairs made this decision and heck they can’t look bad even if the team could live without him.
Big buisness, can’t everyone see this?? And as far as Penner goes, trade him or sit him. His value was done years ago…….he will not change!!!!!!!
fridgemagnet57 Reply:
October 18th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
@KC23,
Im surprised TM is openly discussing this? Usually they say Lower Body Injury and that’s that.
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There is a difference between being hurt and injured. Is Penner holding out cause he is hurt? DL will have NONE of that.
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kevin from toronto Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
@Kevin, I give Penner a lot of grief on this site, but I don’t think that’s the case. He was obviously really looking forward to getting back in to games to prove how hard he worked in the offseason and to erase our thoughts of him from last year. He fell pretty hard in that fight. I don’t think for a second he is just sitting out for the sake of it.
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freezer flatten Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
@kevin from toronto, lets give him a break. he stood up for drew. no one else did.
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luc20rules Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
@kevin from toronto, I agree with these two words that are very important to Penner.
CONTRACT YEAR!
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Please can we waive him already!
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Sebastian Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@goodguy, no
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LuckyNumber20 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
@goodguy, If we waive him we are responsible for half his salary I believe.
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Kingm32 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
@goodguy, I agree. This guy is wasting space on the bench. All these people are simply blinded by Kings Loyalty. This guy hasn’t shown up since he got off the plane from Edmonton. I say get rid of him.
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jet Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
@Kingm32, I can’t believe all these people that think Parse is going to be a big upgrade over a proven, multi-year player.
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Laura Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@goodguy, give the guy a break! Maybe it’s bruised and he’s having a hard time walking/skating. He has really worked hard over the summer. I’ve noticed a difference in him big time. And he stepped it up big down by sticking up for DD!!!
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Harry Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
@goodguy,
And play who on the wing? Parse? NO THANK YOU!
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you know our doctor, doctor vinny boom bats…what a doctor, i tell ya’…
hmmm…the mind is a terrible thing to taste…
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SLIM Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@variable,
Good reference…
Considering we are the “Rodney Dangerfield”
of the NHL media…
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THEFL Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@variable, bahahahaha…i want to name my next dog.Dr. vinny boom bats.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
@variable, Penner bought TM a BB-gun for his birthday, TM got Penner a t-shirt with a target on it! I tell ya, Penner get no respect!
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I really hope he is just making sure. I don’t want him to start thinking his injuried when he really isn’t. :/
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Knee injuries suck! Hope he’s just a little sore and nothing more.
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a bit sore is probably all it is. don’t want to take chances with a knee though
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If it hurts, it hurts. He might not hurt it more by playing, but it might just be painful for him to play right now.
That said, I hope he’s not bing a little pansy about it.
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Doesn’t make sense. He goes after a guy for leveling Doughty on a clean hit, making me think he really wants to be a team player and go all out this year, and now this? I can’t believe he’s faking an injury. There must be something that just doesn’t feel right to him. Has he ever had a knee injury before? Maybe he’s having flashbacks or something??
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Branzilla Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
@Kaiser Soze, what evidence do you have to say that he is faking the injury? Can’t we give the man the benefit of the doubt just once? Christ.
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Kaiser Soze Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
@Branzilla, You read that wrong… I do not think he’s faking it. I have a feeling though, that TM might think it’s all in his head. I was out of my seat when i saw him drop the gloves. I really want him to do well this year.
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Branzilla Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
@Kaiser Soze, Ahhhh gotcha. I’m sorry. I feel bad now. Been a long day for me so far haha, so I guess that’s how I misread that. I’m just sick of reading anti-Penner talk 4 games into the year. My apologies.
wavesinair Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
@Kaiser Soze,
I knew what you meant.
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A bruised knee can be very painful… When your knees aren’t 100% nothing is fun or painfree.
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KOHO Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
@Stuart,
I can attest to that and it takes awhile to heal. The knee gets stiff and limits speed, crossovers are affected, stop and goes. I had a knee contusion and it took some time before I felt I had my full range of motion and stability.
Best to be safe than sorry this early…if it was playoff time he probably finds a way to play but right now there’s no reason to make it worse.
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Capt Jam Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
@KOHO,
Second that. I have two very arthritic knees. The simplest things like walking down the steps from Section 318 can be very painful.
Sounds like Penner should have an MRI.
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fridgemagnet57 Reply:
October 18th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@Stuart,
It’s a long season so why not rest up. Plus it’s a contract year and I wouldn’t want to look as if I’m not working hard enough because my knee is swollen.
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once a player loses a certain desire to compete, they often look for reasons…real or not…to codify their feelings…
how i read the whole exchange…without the benefit of inflection, of course…is that the situation could get a lil’ volatile if penner can’t find a curad quickly…
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TwoFootAfro Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
@variable, once a fan decides to hate on a player, they often look for reasons…real or not…to hate on said player…
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variable Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
@TwoFootAfro,
if yr implying that i’m against penner, yr wrong…
i want to him to succeed with us…
why would i want anything differently…?
i hope it’s more than a boo boo, that’s all…tm’s sounds like he’s already try to reassure the player…why would the coach want to hold back one of his top weapons…(?)
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Well, I don’t see proof he’s faking anything. We’ll see how things go once he gets another opinion.
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variable Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
@Dominick,
there’s a slight inference by tm that this could be a psychological issue with penner…if that’s what it is, the we could be going to an area no one hopes to go…
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Dominick Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@variable, Hoping it’s nothing serious, and he just wants another opinion. If it is something, than he was smart to seek further advice. If it’s nothing, and he makes it into something, then, yes! that is an issue. I don’t see it being that yet, based on TM’s comments, so I just think it’s a wait and see scenario. I can hear it now though. Penner’s a wuss, and faker.
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wavesinair Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
@Dominick,
I agree. I not only don’t see proof of faking, but I see proof of pain. A guy doesn’t take an instigator to only then back off a game because of a little pain. It must be a lot of pain.
Funny how no one is considering the obvious…it is quite common to feel most sore 2 or 3 days after the injury/workout/bruise etc. It seems pretty obvious to me Penner’s knee is badly bruised, probably swollen and very painful. Just a bruise, yes. But it can limit your mobility for sure.
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variable Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@wavesinair,
ok…fine…
give him a few massages and let’s hope for the best tomorrow or soon after…
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Dominick Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@wavesinair, I think pain is probably the biggest issue. I’ve had pain that wouldn’t cause more injury, but I was still worthless.
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This whole thing doesn’t pass the “smell test”..
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SLIM Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
@SLIM,
Could Penner be thinking that Murray is
sabotaging his “contract year?”
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variable Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@SLIM,
i think yr aspersion smells a bit, too…(no offense)…
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SLIM Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
@variable,
How is it possible to offend me than say “no offense”?
No offense taken..BTW..
Just a wack theory..I’ve got more..
wavesinair Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
LOL. Very true. Same with saying, “to be honest.” Uh, were you not being honest with everything else you were saying? Or, “with all due respect,” prior to saying how you suck. There are so many non-authentic isms in our culture.
Dominick Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
@waves.
In my honest opinion, I’m not gonna say it’s really the case, because I’m not saying that, but.
variable Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
@variable,
well, i’m glad that’s taken care of…
wavesinair Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
“Personally” I think it’s a “fairly unique” issue “at this moment in time.” It’s “absolutely” a “24/7” “nightmare.” But, “with all due respect” “at the end of the day” “it’s not rocket science.” And that’s “the bottom line.” Unless you want me to “push the envelope” or look at the “glass half full or empty.” But “I hear what you’re saying” so “bear with me” as I try to get out “between a rock and a hard place” “literally” (but not) but I guess that’s just “thinking outside the box.” (no offense)
henry Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
@SLIM, he’s done it before.
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“something is on his mind” means he has a try out for the beer league!!! GO KINGS!!
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He needs to call Lappie and discuss what it means to be hurt. Players get 3,4,5 or 6 teeth knocked out and come back in 45 minutes. What gives Penner????
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vicarious Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
@gene, Well, pain is one thing but if your knee stiffens up or lacks full motion–or a shoulder, wrist or neck–then you can’t do thing you normally do and someone else can probably do better.
This is Penner’s contract year. By all accounts, he worked very hard to prepare for the season. The last thing Penner wants is to be injured.
Any Doctor can chime in, but my understanding is doctors are supposed to treat the patient and if the patient says it hurts, then it hurts.
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JMFC people, slow down. sometimes there can be a real injury that isnt so apparent with the best history and physical exam. if Penner feels something isnt right, then by all means be cautious and re-evaluate the injury. Last thing you want to do is sustain an even bigger injury that puts you out for longer. Get further tests if what the patient is telling you doesnt jive with your diagnosis. give him the benifit of the doubt first. If further investigation doesnt reveal anything else, then just rest it until it feels better. If that doesnt work…then call it malingering!
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Dominick Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
@tornado12, Agree. Wouldn’t mind knowing what the issues were with him being out just last week, and if the 2 are related. If it was a knee before, and it’s swelling now, then I wouldn’t care if anybody said it’s fine. Best to wait and get more information.
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tornado12 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
@Dominick, thx for the support Dom. Sometimes I just dont get some of these “fans”. Im glad none of them are my doctor. no compassion at all.
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@tornado12, Is this dude doomed playing with the Kings or just injury prone… Always seems to be something…
I want the best for our team; people need to stop making excused for this guy. He’s had a few too many now.
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KOHO Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
@KingsGuy,
If that’s the case then Williams needs to go too! ; ) Just sayin.
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In his career, Penner has missed very few games due to injury or illness. I doubt very seriously he’s suddenly turning into a hypochondriac or a faker right now when he’s trying to prove himself during a contract year. Sometimes things just don’t feel right and you need to confirm you’re OK. Get well soon Penner!
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CupRun2012 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@lilly,
Pens had the misterious “lower body injury” at the beginning of the season and probably re-aggrevated it in Philly. I have a “bum knee” and it’s sometimes difficult to walk up stais–it doesn’t hurt walking, but on occasion I can just “tweak it” and it gives out…
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Harty Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
@lilly, Penner has no heart, period.
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miracle.on.manchester Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
@Harty, That would be an upper-body injury.
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Harty Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
@miracle.on.manchester, exellent comment, likley what the aliment is……..
He looked horrible in NJ. Might be something more. I say let him sit and bring up speed.
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AZ King Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@Kingsfansouth,
Don’t know which game you watched, but he looked good against NJ, especially considering that it was his first game of the season.
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I absolutely despised this guy’s “performance” last year, but even I am having a hard time reading too much into this. Let’s just wait and see.
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crashin' da net Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
@rick, Agreed. Expect the best, prepare for the worst. Personally I hope he performs a miraculous turnaround. I don’t think he’s faking it. Let’s give him some ocnfidence.
Mrs. Penner? Can Dustin come out and play hockey with us today???
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Much ado about nothing people.
Just because it might not be a serious injury doesn’t mean it isn’t an injury and doesn’t mean he should push through practice. Yes, we’re talking about practice. Not a game, practice.
Raise your hand if you are more sore a couple days after getting a nasty bruise? (hand in air)
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SLIM Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
@wavesinair,
Thank you..Shakespeareinair..
My hand is up..Can I put it down now?
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Osaka Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
@wavesinair, Dude I played high school football with a torn ACL in my knee, I had the blood drained weekly and wrapped the knee. Penner has an ouchy?!?! It isn’t just practice, he sat out most of the game against Philly.
I was a big Penner supporter but this doesn’t sit well.
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Choralone Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
@Osaka, And I ran cross-country and track in high school and I had Iliotibial band syndrome which doesn’t sound bad when you read about it but I simply could not run on it. I think it’s a slippery slope to start comparing injuries, pain and what is consired an acceptable level of compromise to performance at the elite level. Besides, this is the start of the season, not the postseason. I think that plays a role too.
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Osaka Reply:
October 18th, 2011 at 1:58 am
@Choralone, You have more heart than Penner!!!!!
Choralone Reply:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
@Osaka, You give me too much credit. I didn’t word things right. I wasn’t running with it – when I felt it and got it diagnosed, I stopped running and waited for it to heal – I couldn’t run on it.
Kingsfanone Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
@wavesinair,
My hand is up too!
I do have to add that everyone does have a different pain threshold, and mine is pretty high. That said, I popped my knee years ago and once in a while it can pain up quite a bit. Not to make excuses for Pens, but he may have some real pain and it scared him?
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I just checked out the local softball batting cages, we’re still good, he’s not there.
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Slava Voynov scores a goal and two assists against the Blues. Drew who?? Then fans on this blog call for him to move up to left wing. TM, who reads this blog faithfully, agrees. Dustin who??
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Sounds like Penner is being a big fat vajajay. Just sayin’. Based on Murray’s comments he thinks the same thing.
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fsd1 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
@Gboi, go troll somewhere else
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I wonder if Parse paid Penner in American or Russian currency…
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Why the hell was he sitting on the bench the whole game? If there was any indication of injury go back into the locker room and hang out with DD.
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wavesinair Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@bonvivant1,
That’s actually a great question.
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KC23 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
@bonvivant1, humm, very very good question.
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jwr Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
@KC23,
One could believe he was there to lend support to his teammates.
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KC23 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@bonvivant1, I’ll just be the one to say it … looks like this “might” be a case of TM benching Penner for reacting to the hit on DD giving Philly the PP. TM dodges the whole thing in the media by making up some BS injury and Penner has no choice but to keep his mouth shut to cover his coaches BS. Makes no sense that Penner would stay on the bench injured. If it’s a bad bruse it should be iced asap. Perhaps this is a **** u too at practise from Penner to the coach? Sure smells of BS though.
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SLIM Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@KC23,
This is what I was alluding to in my post above…
You just said it better..Then I was non attacked..
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KOHO Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
@SLIM,
It’s called adrenaline!! Ever have that adrenaline rush where you don’t feel anything till after you sit down and not move for a period of time then you start to “feel” yourself again.
Looks like the Blues will be without McDonald which is one of their better centermen. A regular on their PP.
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wavesinair Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@KC23, Yeah, Fox mentioned that in the postgame. Another concussion no less. Not a good sign for a good player. I’m just glad we’re not talking about DD in the same light.
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You know, i’ve seen players pull out teeth, get stitched, play after getting smashed, i’ve seen players play with a broken everything. He practiced for 20 minutes cuz of a bruise? wheres the heart/cream filling?
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AZ King Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
@Mikey,
Have you played a high level hockey game with a bad knee? Most people can barely walk up the stairs with a banged up knee.
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Mikey Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
@AZ King,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNan7v91OPQ
he lands on his hip, skates off with no limp. I honestly don’t think he wants to play for us. He hasn’t showed much hustle expect for bulldozing a couple of players.
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KC23 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
@Mikey, I think he does want to play, but TM benched him for taking the penalty then made up the injury BS to keep it out of the press. If a player is too injured to play he belongs in the dressing room having it looked at.
PP Anybody? Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@Mikey, Doughty got right back up after he got leveled too. So with that kind of deductive logic, then Doughty is probably faking his injury too, and shouldn’t be out 7 to 10 days. He probably just doesn’t want to play for us because DL played hardball during negotiations.
wavesinair Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
@Mikey,
I just don’t see it. Why would he have DD’s back and instigate only to make excuses?
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Parse has got to be the luckiest guy on the planet right now. Guy should go buy a lottery ticket and use the winnings to retire on when he gets cut next season.
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KC23 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
@Helvetica, Parse is a lot of things … lucky isn’t one of them though.
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Helvetica Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
@KC23, injuries aside, this guy is getting more than his fair share of opportunities.
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Oh man, some of these posts are hilarious… Good stuff!
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Deke'r Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
@KingsGuy, It is fairly entertaining….but what worries me is some of ‘em are serious!
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don’t you the writing on the wall? it’s a smoke screen. parse is a cheaper player. put penner on injured reserve. get aprse some playing time, when penner is ready to come back….oh can mess with chemistry. healthly scratch. and deadline trade 5 million off payroll. “1st” line player parse is in line up.and get me started on davis drewiske….. poor kid is getting the moller treatment. FIRE TERY MURRAY and his B.S headgames he plays with players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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fsd1 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
@henry, aanthonyy? is that you?
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henry Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
@fsd1, sorry it’s henry from pico rivera ca.
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Contusion is just type of bruise by trauma or falling. He will be fine. Just needs rest and ice on it to heal up. He’ll be fine. Depends how many size on his Contusion, but mostly likely he can play tomorrow. Just wont like it if he falls on that knee.
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Does anyone remember that he was coming off of an undisclosed injury in training camp. The two items must be related or one injury could potential hinder the other…
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KC23 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
@dcaps55, The thing that doesn’t add up is why would Penner stay on the bench the whole game and not be treated if it was an injury? Makes no sense.
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Dominick Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@KC23, That is a good question.
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anonandonanon Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
@KC23, Strategic? What if the bench looking empty gave Philli the idea to push the rough stuff. It might have disguised a weakness or created doubt about when Penner might get back on the ice. He was also available for a bench minor.
Just another Soap Opera. Stay tuned!
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If I’m a St.Louis player, the first thing I’m gonna do is wack him on the knee with my stick. Just sayin. I’m probably not the only one to think of it either.
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wavesinair Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
@Dominick, It really sucks to think players would intentionally try to injure another player. It’s one think to check him or make him use it, but to intentionally target it? Is that really hockey? If so, it’s not the kind of hockey I want to see. In this respect, I really respect the way TM looks at the game.
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Osaka Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
@wavesinair, Yes that is hockey and it happens everyday.
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wavesinair Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
@Osaka,
I’m sure it happens but it isn’t what the sport is about. And just because some guys do it doesn’t mean it’s ok or right. No matter how you cut it, it’s not professional. They don’t call it ‘bush league’ for nothing.
Osaka Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
@Wavesnair,
That is why it is so telling that Murray would disclose Penner’s injury and not say lower body. He thinks it is a nonissue and doesn’t mind telling the other team about it.
I’m trying to stay positive with Penner but this is NOT the result that was expected after all that hype of him getting in shape and getting with the program… Can’t help but think in the back of my mind that Teubert is in Edmonton and so far they are getting the far better end of that deal.
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I think Parse is a perfect fit on this line. I hope Penner comes back soon, but this may give the second line some much needed spark.
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We don’t have four legs like a dog people … if you feel unconfortable with your leg, another one tends to overwork, therefore you’re gonna hurt the other leg sooner or later. It’s just a human nature. Not pushing it now is the wise decision.
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Rich
I’m unclear what you’re inviting us to read between the lines. Obviously many have spun this into penner faking injury. Is that your inference? I’d be surprised if that’s what you meant.
To everyone else,
I wonder why a guy who spent the last several years in the oilers org would want confirmation before taking their reassurances to heart
See colon Fraser Gilbert brule and the rest of the frivolously misdiagnosed.
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Osaka Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
@quisp, Murray expects guys to be a little tougher and play with pain if there is no risk to make the injury worst. He pushed Marco Sturm pretty hard also.
I hear what you are saying about Fraser and Brule but, Penner is showing no heart. When he came off the ice in preseason it was reported Murray was shaking his head over Penner’s “injury”. This is the second injury Penner has that Murray doesn’t think should hold him out of the lineup (IMO). Murray is not saying lower body, he is saying a knee contusion. That in itself is a big deal, meaning he doesn’t consider it an injury (IMO).
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xeropoint Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
@Osaka, I think it showed a good deal of heart stepping in to fight an enforcer for a team mate. As for the knee, who really knows? All anyone has is speculation.
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quisp Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
@Osaka,
I think you’re leaping to a predetermined conclusion, all due respect. Murray shakes his head when Penner is hurt, and this means (a) he is upset that Penner is hurt, (b) he is upset that Penner is acting hurt, (c) he is upset that he had a drive-through breakfast burrito.
It’s just as likely — in fact much more likely — that Murray is being cagey about the injury because that’s what you do now; clubs just don’t disclose specifics anymore. Look at the Westgarth thing. They didn’t even admit he was injured until Murray made the cryptic comment about recovering from the Anaheim game.
The idea that Penner would be faking injury is just absurd. Why would he do this? Because he just doesn’t want to play with the All-Stars and/or Olympians on his line?
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Osaka Reply:
October 18th, 2011 at 1:56 am
@quisp, Where does all this faking come from? Who thinks he is faking? I think Murray knows he is hurt but thinks it is a nonissue, he should play though it and suck it up. I went out of my way to say IMO because yes I am reading into the situation, but I never implied Penner is faking. Of course clubs are vague about injuries, that is why Murray telling everyone Penner has a contusion speaks loudly of how he feels. Penner is hurt, feels pain, but is not injured. Penner went to another doctor to get another opinion and (IMO) Murray thinks it is unnecessary
“He’s been reassured by the doctor in Philadelphia and the training staff here, but something is on his mind so we sent him to our team doctor.”
Since you put words into my mouth and had me say he was faking an injury and then ask me why he would do such a thing I cannot answer. I am sure he wants to play with All-Stars and/or Olympians and couldn’t think of a season he wouldn’t want too.
If my saying Penner wasn’t showing heart created this confusion then maybe I was raised a little differently and I am thinking like Murray. I am talking about heart Ronnie Lott showed when he cut off his finger to play a game. I am talking about the heart Mario showed when he when he played a game after radiation treatment. I know this is just the beginning of the season, this is just practice, but this is a mindset. IMO
xeropoint Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
@quisp, This.
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Can i say i told you so yet???
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the idea he is faking is downright ridiculous. its his contract year and he does NOT want to miss games and be labeled “injury prone”. he wants to play and score and get paid next summer. let’s get real guys!!
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KC23 Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
@SVIK, No way he is faking it. That is obsurd.
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Rich — why would a guy who has missed 4 games in his 7 year career fake an injury to leave a practice 40 minutes early? He may be the top player in games played the past 7 years. The infrence just does not make sense.
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Osaka Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
@jet, He is not faking, Murray just thinks he is a wimp.
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The only time Penner played well was when he was with kop and j-will, and we know that gagne and richards have good chemistry, so why not switch gagne and penner? I dont get TM and never will.
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Harty Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
@Pesus, your right lets do everything we can to make Penner successful, put him on the 4th line and make him earn his spot.
It would kill him, he has not got the heart for this team game stuff.
Trade him now……………….
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@Larry, a contusion, a bruise are you serious
ha, ha my son plays with worst in Bantam Rep hockey…..this is a joke
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Just to make sure I’m not missing anything….I looked up “Penner” in a Latin Dictionary. The only thing I could find was “p-u-s-s-y”…
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perhaps the only thing hurt is Penner’s feelings, you know those big guys cry at the drop of a hat.
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Bye Dustin. I’d thank you for your hard work, and effort, but if I were to do that, in principle, I should also thank you for your vanilla milkshakes and hamburgers because you brought none of the above to this hockey team.
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I agree that the idea of Penner faking it sounds far fetched. The guy worked his butt off all summer, and hasn’t had a history of man games lost to injuries. He is in a contract year, and has already been gaurenteed a spot on 1 of the top 2 lines stocked with world class players. This is a dream come true for most players.
Quisp does bring up an excellent point about where Penner came from, and what might be an issue, but I wish people would chill till there’s more information, or if he even misses a game because of it. Just missing some practice time is not even an issue for me personally.
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