Terry Murray had nothing new to add on the status of Drew Doughty, who was not made available for comment after the game. Dustin Penner’s minutes were limited throughout the game, and Murray said Penner sustained a “contusion” during his first-period fight but was OK. Flight back to Los Angeles leaves very soon, so postgame quotes likely will be delayed.
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Sometimes you pay the price for standing up for your teammates. I think Penner will be a monster this year
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David Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
@Arron, agreed x10..That’s the attitude a TEAM needs to have even if it was or wasn’t a cheap shot
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Rtwing7 Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 1:10 am
@David, A contusion????? Seriously!!! My God, please don’t tell me you guys are buying that mess???? TM sat Penner b/c he is a guy making $5-mill a year who should be making plays and scoring goals,,,,not challenging guys to a fight. Just b/c he cleans out a Devil from in front of the net in the final minutes of a game and comes to Doughty’s aid in the first two minutes of a game does not make him worth his weight in gold. Put points on the board,,,,that is what he was hired for. Unless I’m mistaken, he didn’t do that last year and there is no indication he is going to do it this year. I’m sorry to be so pessimistic, but let’s face facts,,,,to date, Penner has been a big scale bust. He didn’t sit on the bend today because of a contusion, he sat on the bench today b/c he is not contributing anything of substance.
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scott Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 8:50 am
@Rtwing7,Really guy, in the NHL you have to have guys to stand up for thier teammates, how long have you benn watching hockey?
ducksuck Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 9:20 am
@Rtwing7, I agree with you that he may not be playing all that great, but if you watched his 1st game back he had chances to score(getting open in the slot) and big hits(charging, but you can argue he saved the game). Can’t agree with some guy that is bashing Penner for playing well. You my friend need to back off Penner and go cry about why he did bad last year(new system new team fat). He has tried and he has looked good better than a Rich Clune or a Dwight King. This is the Kings roster and unless he messes up big, no clue why you would bash him for sitting on the bench. The guy has size and 1 year remaining on his contract. He has no trade value so get over it.
Rtwing7 Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 9:55 am
@Rtwing7, Well my friend Scott,,,,I have been watching hockey for the same 42 years that I have been playing the game. And your missing the point, there is nothing wrong with standing up for your teammates, it’s the lack of production and poor defensive play that I’m eluding to. There are plenty of guys who show tremendous effort and dedication, but that doesn’t equal a spot on an NHL team. Penner was brought to the Kings to be a 20 goal scorer, and he is not even getting a sniff. I totally hope he will come around, and if he does, I will be the first to praise him,,,,but I just don’t think he is showing anything more than he did last season, other than losing some weight. Trust me, he was not sitting on the bench last night b/c of a contusion, he was on the bench b/c TM did not like his play. I will cross my fingers and hope getting back home kicks him in gear, but until I see something more, I will continue to be critical of his play.
red49er Reply:
October 17th, 2011 at 8:35 am
@Rtwing7, the weak ass one handed passes are what got Penner sat. if not for the fight Murray would have put him on his own plane after the 2nd period and told him be happy he wasn’t cutting him altogether.
CrownLA Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
@Arron,
I have to disagree, ive been watching Penner since he started his season because I wanted to see how he was going to perform and I have to say he may not have any stats that show up right now but he has gotten a good number of chances in front of the net. They just didnt happen to go in. Besides those chances hes been making those good checks and stood up for Drew(someone had to), so in my opinion hes been doing a good job so far.
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Yeah, I was wondering. No ice time in the 2nd or 3rd. And he’s been looking damned lively, helluva win with two top players out by the middle of the 1st.
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Lewis and Richardson are pretty much the same player….Bring Lotki up and either trade Lewis or move him to a wing….
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number 6 Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
@neil,
I like the way Lewis has developed. He may have more offensive upside than what one would think. He’d just need help w faceoffs if he plays at center. But on the wing, clearly that isn’t an issue. I thought he stood out in the playoffs last year.
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CB14 Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@number 6, Agreed, Lewis is solid. He had some pretty plays immediatly after Kopi went down last year.
If Neil wants to bring up Lokti, which I agree with, put Lokti at center with Richardson on L.W. and Lewis on R.W. Speed, speed, and even more speed! All while still having 2 very good defensive players on it.
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Osaka Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
@CB14, I like that line.
David Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
@neil, No way Lewis is a fantastic energy guy and he’s money on the PK unit. We need guys with speed like him.
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Silence Dogood Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
@neil, I like Lokti and look forward to seeing him play more, but for now, he is not as strong as either Lewis (who played well again tonight) or Richardson (who is settling in very well).
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Lorne Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
@neil, I like Lotkionov a lot as well…but both Richardson and Lewis are solid two way players with speed. My bigger concern is that the team looks rattled and hasn’t gelled yet. If anything they need to set the roster for the month and build some chemistry before looking at any moves.
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4 games …..4 players in the doghouse……..Parse…..Martinez….Hunter…..Penner……
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Dilapidus Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
@neil,
That’s not the dog house. His play was solid.
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Rtwing7 Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 12:25 am
@Dilapidus, OMG!!!!! Penner’s play was not solid,,,,it was #@$%&! Just b/c he stood up for Doughty doesn’t mean he played well. Penner hasn’t played well at all with the Kings. He was weak last year, and quite frankly he is lazy this year. I don’t care how fit he is,,,,he is lazy!!!! He does not fit in well with the Kings work ethic mentality. Say what you will about TM, but he clearly has seen the same thing,,,why else would he sit a guy making the kind of money Penner does unless he wasn’t brining anything to the table. From a management perspective, it is not easy for TM to sit a guy like Penner, he is making too much money to justify a spot on the end of the bench.
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SLIM Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
@neil,
And your point is??
BTW..we heard you the 1st time…
And Penner was hurt..
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broncokings Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
@SLIM, lol
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pat Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
@neil, I think Penner did a good job, sticking up for your star player. Even though he looks slow as hell. Penner-Richards-Brown line will get some dirty goals.
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brian spain Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
@pat, Plus Penner nailed a Flyer next to Quick, and this time didn’t get a penalty. He played at least one shift in the Third. Jim Fox said he didn’t see him out there. But he was. brown needs to settle down, he over skates the puck trying to do too much. I think a week on the left coast will help all the guys. I don’t think We fans have seen what these guys are going to do just yet.
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bobatremax Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 12:03 am
@pat, slow was not the word. Penner looked like he was towing a house.
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40YearKingsFan Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
@bobatremax.
Totally agree. I’m pulling for Penner but for a guy who supposedly lost weight and improved his conditioning, he’s skating like he has a refrigerator strapped to his back. Penner makes Handzus look speedy. He’s doing okay when he gets where he needs to be, but he’s slowwwww it’s painful to watch.
Of course, he’s ok is not terribly consistent with he didn’t play for the last 50 minutes or so.
He’ll be getting X-Rays tonight or early tomorrow is my guess.
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AZ King Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
@Dilapidus,
He played in the 2nd.
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OK, let’s cover all the bases:
1.The Kings PP sucks. Fire TM and JK. Oops, another game winning PP goal!
2. JJ is useless and has a terrible +/- . He belongs on the bench…wait, another game winner for Jack??
3. The Kings can’t win a game with Westgarth suited up… Gratz Westie for helping give the Flyers their first loss!
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SLIM Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
@Belexes,
I think that covers it quite well!!
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MrMister Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@SLIM, throw in “I cant believe Doughty is out for 7-10 games and were paying him a gazillion dollars” for good measure.
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petemagoop Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
@MrMister, 7 to 10 days
Michelle Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
@Belexes, I think the more important thing about Jack’s game tonight is the smart defensive plays he made – getting in the way of breakaways, not turning over the puck and starting the rush on a couple plays. The game winner is just the icing on the cake of his game tonight.
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BobKnob Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
@Michelle,
yup
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Happy Lappy Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
@Michelle, excellent observations, his best game in a very long time.
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Datacloud Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 12:56 am
@Michelle et al, OK, the timing on this post isn’t the best, as I just finished watching the game, but to call that game one of JJ’s best is a dubious gesture of kindness in my opinion. He made some questionable plays behind the net and on more than one occasion, he stood motionless in the crease with the puck at his feet, and only at the last moment was he able to get it out of immediate trouble, only to put it right back on the stick of a Flyer. At least that’s the way it looked to me. He did make some solid plays one on one and broke up some breakaways as Michelle mentioned, but there was the usual cringing on my part associated with his positioning and coverage.
You know what, though? He won the game. Again. Guy has been clutch if nothing else. I don’t want to come across as being a basher, but I guess I just have really high expectations of him. He’s turned it up in DD’s absence before, so hopefully he does it again over the next couple of weeks.
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Osaka Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
@Belexes, The last 2 games JJ has been DOMINATE! The guy is turning into a monster.
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salami Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
@Belexes, You can’t tell me you think Westgarth played well tonight, can you? He really is worthless.
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Ike Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
@Belexes, Good one! Just what I was thinking.
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Adamic39 Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
@Belexes, Don’t forget that Quick is destined to disappear behind Bernie. I can’t understand why people can’t see how good he really is. He kept us in the game through the first period.
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KC23 Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 5:56 am
@Belexes, You forgot, Bernier needs to be our #1 goalie.
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Crown Royal Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 9:32 am
@Belexes,
JJ has been and is a very good PP player. He scored both game winners this year pretty much the same way. However, both of those goals were with fewer skaters on the ice. These two goals were not 5 on 4 PP’s.
What JJ has been doing sneaking down back door is something the Kings SHOULD have been trying to do for over a year. I wonder why it took Kompon so long to figure that out?
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Props to Penner for doing Westy’s job.
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Tony Granato Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
@Soyokaze, it was the first shift of the entire game, and westy would’ve gone after rinaldi if he was on the ice
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CB14 Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
@Tony Granato, Westy had his chance and failed to do his job.
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Soyokaze Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
@Tony Granato, oh yeah, Westy sure made Rinaldo pay later on didn’t he? Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy as a person, just not that much as a hockey player.
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Tony Granato Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
@Soyokaze, Penner, who was actually on the ice for that play, stood up to rinaldo, got 17 PIM for it, got injured, and it led to a Flyers goal.
If Westy comes out later in the game and tries to run Rinaldo again, gets an instigator, and the Flyers score, everyone on this board including you would be all over him.
Soyokaze Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
@Soyokaze,
@Tony, You swear Westy would go out there and really teach Rinaldi a lesson. Westy had an opportunity to respond and merely tried to play grab ass with Rinaldi. So Rinaldi turtles, but as an enforcer you need to have that eye for an eye mentality. You knock one of our star players, i’m gunning for one of yours. I do not see that quality in Westy. With the given minutes he did have, he could’ve thrown his body around like a wrecking ball rather than try to “talk” his opponent into a fight.
Last season against the coyotes, Paul Bissonette was a spark plug with his fists, hard hitting, and energy. I’m hoping for that type of game from Westy, but have yet seen that quality.
CB14 Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
@Soyokaze, Exactly why we don’t need Westy out there. When Westy tried to send a message to Rinaldi, all he did was go near him and ask him to fight. Rinaldi declined because he knew he’d get his butt kicked, and that was it. Westy needed to take an instigator penalty there and beat the crap out of Rinaldi to send a message to Rinaldi and every other player in the NHL, “If you’re going to hurt one of my teammates, I’m gonna beat the crap out of you, regardless of whether you want to fight me or not”. If he’s not willing to do that then he shouldn’t be in the game. To those of you who say at that point in the game Westy did the right thing by not getting an additional penalty, OK fine, you’re right, but then why is he in the game in the first place for?
To fight the other teams enforcer – No, Shelley was still suspended.
To throw body checks – Now that’s funny.
To intimidate the other team so that they don’t hurt our players – No, Rinaldi certainly didn’t get the memo on that one.
To enforce the game if one of the Kings gets hit/hurt big time – No, see above.
Why was he out there?
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KingsGuy Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
@CB14, Last season TM made it very clear, the teams likes KW out there.
He always last one off the ice and carries a good positive attitude.
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CB14 Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
@KingsGuy, So do I on the ice, but that doesn’t mean i’m an NHL player.
Andrew Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
@KingsGuy, So he carrys the puck bag? Ahh i kid i kid.
Stuart Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
@CB14, exactly. I haven’t caught the game yet (dvr) but I saw a clip of the hit and then later it was mentioned that Pens time went down and now reading here it seems he jumped in after the hit on DD and may have suffered an injury? Do I have that right? If so, I agree wholeheartedly with you CB. No nastiness in Westy, maybe it’s the Harvard in him, but Perros would have gone after him with or w/out agreement. If he needed to take EVERY penalty in the book and maybe even take a suspension, that would’ve been the time that it would’ve been cheered in the locker room. The guys could then feel “safe” when Westy is suited up… That guy should’ve paid and made an example of because it seems that so far (and I know it’s only 3 other games) it seems that the other team(s) is taking it to us physically. And now that someone got a shot off on DD the next one to be targeted will be AK…
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CB14 Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
@Stuart, Yes, you have that right. In Westy’s defense, he wasn’t out there when DD got hit, Penner was and he immediatly fought Rinaldi, getting injured in the process. I don’t mind Penner taking it upon himself instead of waiting for Westy to do the dirty work, but I agree with you completly that Westy should’ve taken every penalty in the book to teach Rinaldi a lesson. Who cares if Westy gets suspended for a few games? No one that I know of.
FrankinVA Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 5:27 am
@Stuart,
Should be Princeton in him………
Awsome to hear about Penner. I was on another site, and someone had mentioned that Penner wasn’t doing much. I said it was probably something to do with his injury. I’m glad it wasn’t anything more than a “contusion”. I know everybody is going to speculate on DD. I say it’s a bruise. Maybe elbow, or high shoulder.
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KingMe20 Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
@Dominick,
I’m actually thinking ribs because of how he looked on the bench, and he turned to the side just as he was getting hit.
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Dominick Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
@KingMe20, I thought ribs, but the Kings said 7 to 10 days, which means it has to be something they looked at, and realized it would be fine once it goes away. I don’t know enough about that stuff, but ribs would be more bone. I’m thinking he got a bruise in the meat somewhere. I hope.
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CB14 Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
@Dominick, I thought Penner played O.K. That’s why when someone mentioned he was in the doghouse, I thought no way. Hopefully he’ll be ok.
My money’s on Shoulder sprain. I’m no doctor, but I don’t think a bruise would cause him to be out that long. Does anyone know how long he would have to sit out if we put him on I.R. and call up Voynov? DD2 looked solid tonight, but I would prefer Voynov because he’s an offensive defenseman.
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Dominick Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
@CB14, Yea. All I could do is guess. Bako is an X-ray guy. We have a few Doctors out there too.
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Happy Lappy Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
@CB14, I really haven’t been a big Penner fan, but, the past two games, he has done exacty what we need from him, clearing people out in front of the net “with authority” and going after a 4th liner trying to injure one of most valuable players.
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brian spain Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
@Dominick, He was showing the guys behind the bench his shoulder…his right shoulder.
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KC23 Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 5:57 am
@Dominick, 7-10 days screams, seperated shoulder.
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Just wanted to add something that I said after the Devils game….Jonathan Quick is our #1 and for anybody that thinks he isn’t for the future really don’t appreciate what he does for the club.
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David Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
@David, *they really don’t
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i liked how Penner stuck up for Doughty in the first period. i predict good things for him soon. wow our line of Gagne-Kopitar-Wiliams is tearing it up!! i cand see already how Gagne and Richards is making a big difference. And yes our powerplay is horrible!! Fire JK!! or talk to the league to make the powerplay to 4-3 from now on!
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Osaka Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
@pat, I liked how Penner cleared the crease against NJ also.
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hip- check Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
@Osaka, Yes I did like the play there in Nj with Penner clearing out too.
I think Penner will have a fine year.
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Doughtys lucky he saw the hit coming at the last sec – cutting through the middle with your head down can shorten your season up considerably – speedy recovery
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Stuart Reply:
October 15th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
@petemagoop, not to mention, careers…
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I do like the fact that Penner stuck up for Doughty, but I think everyone is a little too optimistic on Penner. I’m a more “wait and see” with Penner. I really hope he has a great season(all of a sudden because it’s his contract year).
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@Arron, I like Penners play as of late. However, for 4.5 mil or whatever we are paying him, he sucks.
I hope he can make me eat my words…
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Glad to hear Penner’s okay. A lot is riding on him playing well this year, so it was good to hear that he played well before the injury.
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wow…the boys must be tired…brutal road trip to start the season right out of training camp. This team will be unreal once they get it behind them, and get into a normal routine. 5 of 8 points is a very good start all things considered.
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Great 7 million Is hurt now we can see voyov if it’s serious. I hope Penner gets better. GKG!
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Trade Penner, cut westy, get a different enforcer who can play a two way game, fire kampon, get a new top six LW = Stanley cup
Is that about right?
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I have heard so much about Penner and his check at the end of the NJ game, and the way he stood up after DD got rocked,,,,but quite frankly that means nothing to me. Penner was not brought on board as an enforcer/tough guy,,,,he was brought here to score goals and make plays. If I’m not mistaken, he hasn’t done any of that. All I have seen thus far is a big guy who is slightly behind the play, making bad decisions in the defensive zone and turning pucks over. Somebody please explain to me what exactly it is that Penner is doing so great this year!!!!! I hate to be so pessimistic, but I just don’t see it. And clearly, neither does TM. I can’t fathom siting a guy who makes the kind of money Penner does unless he is a serious liability. How do you justify to the owner that you sat a $5-million a year guy on the bench. I have heard all the hoopla about Penner being in great shape this year,,,,,fact is, he is still a lazy hockey player who is not earning that big salary. I say get rid of him now while he might still be worth something, to a team who believes he might help them, for one or two young hard hat wearing, lunch pale toting gamers. Look at his career, he has done nothing since winning the cup with Anaheim. Seriously folks,,,,,don’t fall under the Penner spell.
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TYLER Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 1:56 am
@Rtwing7, its called “effort”
something he is showing now that he never did last year.
i along with many others appreciate that effort because we know that with that…the points will come.
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TradedForAPick Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 1:59 am
@TYLER,
agreed. the points will come when he is playing more than a game and a third into the season. sheesh. people quick to throw him under the bus.
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TradedForAPick Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 1:57 am
@Rtwing7,
Yeah we heard you already
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KC23 Reply:
October 16th, 2011 at 6:02 am
@Rtwing7, Penner’s played a heck of a lot better than Brown so far. That line not doing much is more on Brown than Penner imho.
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@CB14,
DD2 could take AM place if AM moves in as the DD replacement. Other wise Voynov is cool too.
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